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General Debate 22 May 2017

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krazykiwi

Labour gets ready to ramp up spending what they don’t have.

If Labour’s Grant Robertson is the next Finance Minister he will ditch the new ambitious net debt target set by Steven Joyce as part of the 2017 Budget or the current target. The current target of reducing net debt to 20 per cent of gdp by 2020 will be replaced by getting it down to 10 to 15 per cent by 2025, Joyce recently announced.

“We believe there are infrastructure deficits and social deficits that are going to need some investment before we can get to the 20 per cent target,” Robertson said.

That had been written into its fiscal responsibility code with the Greens, potential coalition partners.

“We will review and revise those targets once we are in Government and we’ll see where we get,” said Robertson.

Right. So flip-flopping before they even take the helm (Such a ghastly thought… I need a nice lie down)
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May 22, 2017 8:01am
- mikenmild
  
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  National is being clever. By spending up as large as possible, they force their opponents to outbid them and can then accuse them of being fiscally irresponsible.
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:05am
  - Manolo
    
    Go on, mikenmild, you loyal Labourite!
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:07am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Such a cunning plan, ‘you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel’
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:22am
  - SteveEEE
    
    This isn’t really true, is it? Why “as large as possible”? Are there no choices in spending? No “better value” and “lesser value”?
    
    The real issue here, it seems to me, should be quality of spending, and the problem Labour has (along with porcine partners) is to show its spending is better value. So far, I haven’t seen anything that suggests that. Labour generally and the Greens even more invite us to the trough, where their representatives pig out, as if there is room for all. Thanks, Mike. That’s not what’s going on, and it isn’t a good thing that you make it seem as if that’s what’s happening. It isn’t.
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:31am
    - pdm
      
      Don’t forget Winston – he is a spender from way back.
      
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      May 22, 2017 8:36am
- sooty
  
  No balls, between the lot of them!
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:07am
- RF
  
  Twit Twyford on the Nation.
  
  That idiot is bat shit crazy.
  
  His dear leader is going to cull tens of thousands of immigrants yet twit wants to bring in more who can be trained as tradesmen to build all these houses on land they have not got.
  
  He is making it up on the hoof. Does he think we are stupid……
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:53am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Yes he does, but he is even more stupid.
    And so is his ‘leader’.
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:56am
  - Peter
    
    Relies on enough Labour and Green voters being ignorant. And unable to count.
    
    The Venezuela approach.
    
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    May 22, 2017 10:08am
  - GazzaW
    
    I don’t believe that Twyford is crazy – he’s batshit cunning and his sarcastic rhetoric finds a ready home with those with an ‘entitlement’ chip on their shoulder. There’s no doubt that he has a lot of mates and fellow travellers in local government providing him with inside information and applying copious red tape to slow down government housing initiatives. He’s a dangerous man and one can only hope that Te Atatu resoundingly rejects him in September.
    
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    May 22, 2017 10:24am
  - Nermal
    
    When you consider that half our population likely has an IQ < 100, it's actually worth their while to make stuff up.
    
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    May 22, 2017 2:12pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Krazykiwi:
  
  I decided to refresh my memory and look up the Budget Responsibility Rules on the Labour Party website:
  
  The Labour Party and the Green Party agree to abide by these Budget Responsibility Rules in government after the 2017 election. These rules are designed to be read together and not in isolation.
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  2. The Government will reduce the level of Net Core Crown Debt to 20% of GDP within five years of taking office.
  
  To give future generations more options, reducing government debt has to be a priority. By setting a target, provided that economic conditions allow, we will be able to make responsible debt reductions and invest in housing and infrastructure that strengthen our country and prepare us for future challenges.
  
  So reduce net core Crown debt to 20% of GDP “within five years of taking office”.
  
  Now is there a reason why your link to a specific NZ Herald article takes me to the NZ Herald home page instead? Has the story been pulled? (Edit: It looks like the NZ Herald team has refiled the story under politics.)
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:12am
- oldpark
  
  Even though the same pack of Liebour/Green politicians whether it be the electoral seats ,or Wellington City Council and its too sweet to be wholesome Justin Lester and Robertson allowed the anti fun police and in conjunction with Dominion Post they destroyed the Wellington Sevens big day out. What an indictment,of such a pack of wowsers.
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:43am
Inandout

A weather man puts us at ease by saying this cold snap has nothing to do with global warming. Just relax you paranoid people.
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May 22, 2017 8:04am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  That will be “Climate Change” then? (Got to cover them bases.)
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:09am
  - cmm
    
    You mean “got to keep the trough full”
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:21am
- VicParking
  
  “Global Warming” will result in periods of colder weather in between periods of warmer weather.
  “Global Warming” will result in periods of wet weather between periods of dry weather.
  At some times in the year ice will melt, at other times ice will form.
  Please give me lots of money so I can study this further
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:46am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Remember kk’s rule #1: If it’s [Hot | Cold | Wet | Dry] or there are [More | Less] extreme weather events like [Floods | Droughts | Tornadoes | Storms | Snow] then you are to blame, you must feel guilty, and you must pay up without questioning the orthodoxy.
    
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    May 22, 2017 11:27am
    - jonar
      
      Sounds like kk’s strawman, rather than kk’s rule.
      
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      May 22, 2017 11:44am
      - Kimbo
        
        Neither of which is to be confused with Kimbo’s law 😉
        
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        May 22, 2017 11:47am
sooty

Over at Whaleoil they say that there maybe interesting times in court today.
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May 22, 2017 8:05am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Just like the last ten . . .
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:23am
  - peterwn
    
    There were interesting times in court on Friday, only trouble was no one from MSM seemed to be there so nothing was reported. Cam’s lawyer obviously has put them under strict instructions (including Spanish Bride and Pete Belt) not to report proceedings lest it upsets Colin Craig or the Judge. Seems Whaleoil repeating what is reported by MSM is OK.
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:38am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      The media was represented on Friday, but much of the legal arguments is subject to a suppression order at this stage.
      
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      May 22, 2017 9:36am
  - Paulus
    
    You mean more boring – what a couple of prize twats costing the taxpayer money by going to court.
    The Judge must enjoy every day for laughs.
    
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    May 22, 2017 10:22am
- cmm
  
  Yup you can watch the grass growing in the courthouse lawn.
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:48am
- VicParking
  
  ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
  I understand WO’s alter ego will cross examine Colin Craigs alter ego
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:49am
Odakyu-sen

I am appalled that (43% (Nat) + 29.5% (Lab) + 13% (Gre) + 10.5% (NZfir)) = 96%) of Kiwis are happy with a center-left, big government, pro-welfare, bureaucrat-rich, regulated system of government.

Being a freelance self-employed individual who earns foreign currency from overseas clients does tend to encourage me to vote for small-government, pro-self-responsibility parties. I would vote Conservative if they got their act together, so I guess I have no choice but to vote Act.
(Maybe I should vote Labour, to hasten the collapse…) (Muhahahahaha!)
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May 22, 2017 8:07am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Keep in mind that if you reduce the size of government, then suddenly there are a large number of unemployed people with no skills outside of a sheltered life in the “hallowed halls”, that are unemployable and would be on welfare. Since most of them would be incapable of living off a benefit, having suckled on the over fat public teat for so long, then either benefits need to go up to prop them up or they need to find other, perhaps less legal ways to fund their lifestyles.
  
  Big government is about keeping unemployables that can at least dress semi respectfully, off the street.
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:12am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Yes. The Japanese government has used tariffs to prop up rural farming communities for decades, rather than import cheap American rice and throw their aging, rural communities under the bus.
    
    Is it better to pay a man to sweep the streets (he has to get up every morning, put on his uniform and hat, turn up for work and thus maintain his work ethic and sense of civic pride) or is it better to pay him to stay in bed?
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:17am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I would say that for the young – yes, need to keep them in the habit of working if you don’t want a life long beneficiary, and that is worth higher support cost in short term to keep them working. For the 60+ year old probably not.
      
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      May 22, 2017 9:25am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Robots will help aging Japanese farmers (average age of farmer is 67).
        Ref: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-23/robots-replacing-japan-s-farmers-seen-preserving-food-security
        
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        May 22, 2017 9:34am
  - cmm
    
    Artificially creating employment is not solving unemployment because the nett result is the same: people are being paid to produce no value.
    
    When you do it through artificial employment it is worse in that you get a whole bunch of other downsides: traffic jams caused by unproductive people going to work, some effective workers being kept out of the productive sector etc.
    
    The only benefit is “maintaining work ethic”. But if it’s a hopeless job you can’t get fired from, then does it really promote work ethic, or do those workers just grudgingly turn up, do the minimum required to not get yelled at too much aqnd do a crappy job.
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:27am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      “… does it really promote work ethic, or do those workers just grudgingly turn up, do the minimum required to not get yelled at too much aqnd do a crappy job.”
      
      That is why there is so much “thought/attitude control” in Japan (the uniforms, the hats, the armbands, the morning speeches, the 10-minute warm-up exercises, the rituals…) all designed to create a sense of purpose and “team spirit” in an otherwise pointless existence. No wonder young Japanese are heading to the cities and/or dropping out of the rat-race.
      
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      May 22, 2017 8:32am
      - cmm
        
        I am genuinely curious: does all the exercise and uniforms really help people get back on their own two feet and re-enter productive work?
        
        If peoplee just end up doing their artificial job for their whole life then not much was gained. It only works if they do this for a while, then find themselves a “real” job.
        
        We have very different cultures (West vs Japan) with Japan having a longer history of deference to authority, so we can expect different outcomes for the same actions, but it would still be interesting to know if it even works in Japan.
        
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        May 22, 2017 8:52am
      - Jack5
        
        Very interesting questions raised by Odakyu-sen.
        
        Applying to NZ, would it have been cheaper for the NZ Government to somehow subsidise timber manufacturing in the North Island pine regions rather than pay for:
        
        1. The imprisonment of the now unemployed young locals who joined gangs and were caught breaking the law?
        
        2. The social costs of the drug trading and general crime of gangs made up mostly of young men who otherwise might have worked gainfully in mills?
        
        3. The gangsters’ children?
        
        When I say somehow subsidise, perhaps this could be an economic policy that did not cause an inflated currency exchange rate, which tends to drive overseas processing of resources.
        
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        May 22, 2017 9:05am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        cmm,
        
        The uniforms and group work do work in well with Japanese culture.
        Group identity, group membership, a sense of “belonging” and validation are particularly important in Polynesian cultures, so I think that a lot of the Japanese techniques would work well in a Maori setting.
        
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        May 22, 2017 9:23am
    - KevOB
      
      How do you maintain work ethic when a robot is after your job?
      
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      May 22, 2017 8:58am
      - Jack5
        
        Kevin, robots have been around for at least three decades.
        
        Do robots wipe out jobs, or just change them, with new products and cheaper products creating new demand?
        
        When the motor industry arose it created far more jobs than had been provided by horses (teamsters, coach drivers, grooms, stable hands, coach builders).
        
        Globalisation has been a far bigger job killer in the West than automation.
        
        This article in the Hooerald today is evidence on both of these points:
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11860737
        
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        May 22, 2017 9:10am
    - Paulus
      
      Created employment kept New Zealand going over 40 years ago until Rogernomics.
      
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      May 22, 2017 10:24am
  - VicParking
    
    There are plently of Ministers cars for them to put their feet under so don’t worry they will live of witness expenses.
    
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    May 22, 2017 9:52am
- krazykiwi
  
  vote for small-government, pro-self-responsibility parties
  
  Measured by spending, the size of the state has grown from less than 15% of GDP over 30% today over a 100 years period(Figure 2). The overall picture is pretty clear: There’ll be no small government any time soon 🙁
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:35am
- stephieboy
  
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  Odakyu sen , keep up the mantra . What chances are there for the ” small-government, pro-self-responsibility parties ” ACT moving a 0.1 % beyond their previous best 2014 .1.6 % ?
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:36am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    You are right, stephieboy. The people shall have what the people want.
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:38am
    - stephieboy
      
      We can safely say you have nothing but contempt for those centrists who don’t see things your way ?
      
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      May 22, 2017 8:44am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Can’t speak for OS, but I don’t have contempt for the 96% who vote for the left and would never, for example, refer to them as “a basket of deplorables”. I just think they’re mistaken.
        
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        May 22, 2017 8:59am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        stephieboy,
        I think you are “projecting” your contempt for people who don’t see things your way… no?
        
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        May 22, 2017 9:26am
    - Souvlaki
      
      And in Godzone…a reflection of selfishness combined with low IQ??
      
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      May 22, 2017 8:53am
      - jcuk
        
        When I heard about high levels of lead bein found in Dunedin schools it became clear why DN is a labour stronghold……lead apparently reduces IQ.
        
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        May 22, 2017 9:42am
      - GazzaW
        
        Otago University obviously shares the same water supply as the schools.
        
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        May 22, 2017 10:36am
- pdm
  
  I have decided to do my bit for ACT by offering my services as a pamphlet deliver in Hastings – if they have any organisation there.
  
  They only need two messages:
  
  1. The tax plan as announced a week or so back.
  2. One law for all.
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:04am
  - VicParking
    
    Offer excepted. Pick up your pamphlets in Westport and if you run out there will be more at Greymouth.
    Don’t just letterbox stuff knock on every door please.
    
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    May 22, 2017 9:56am
    - pdm
      
      Happy to knock on every door provided the area is too large – mrspdm does not let me out after dark these days. lol.
      
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      May 22, 2017 1:05pm
      - RF
        
        Don’t talk to strange men…… or be tempted by sweets they may offer you.
        
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        May 22, 2017 3:42pm
- Kimbo
  
  I am appalled that (43% (Nat) + 29.5% (Lab) + 13% (Gre) + 10.5% (NZfir)) = 96%) of Kiwis are happy with a center-left, big government, pro-welfare, bureaucrat-rich, regulated system of government.
  
  Is the natural political setting of NZ since…forever. Not going to change anytime soon.
  
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  May 22, 2017 10:24am
  - GazzaW
    
    Agreed Kimbo and let’s face it the Nats have never been right wing – possibly right of centre under Shipley and Holland but that’s as far as they’ve got to. Act is a natural home for right wingers but Act desperately needs a charismatic leader to sell their message. I’m a true blue centrist Nat supporter but we really need a strong Act party shoring up the right wing of an effective coalition government to keep the bastards honest.
    
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    May 22, 2017 10:46am
    - Kimbo
      
      Thanks for the response, but sorry, GazzaW, I think that a “great white hope” to lead ACT is a chimera. Admittedly I am a former Labour Party member who has found a happy political home voting for a pragmatic centrist National government in my wiser older age.
      
      But ACT, IMHO, have had capable leaders, including Brash, Whyte and now Seymour, albeit they have been politically naive at times. Nonetheless, they have championed the ACT philosophy and explained it well.
      
      Despite his enthusiasm, high profile and attempt to go a populist route to widen the voter-base, Hide made some tactical mistakes in his time, and they had policy and personal life incongruence issues (including Hide taking perks, Donna Awatere-Huata and David Garrett) that damaged their brand. But all their leaders have been capable. That isn’t their problem.
      
      Even before Prebble the tide was going out. Kiwis aren’t buying the ACT policies, indeed they have tin ear for their economic prescription when it comes to the welfare state.
      
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      May 22, 2017 11:11am
Manolo

The way forward according to some Californian Democrats:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/ca-dem-chair-together-now-fck-donald-trump-crowd-holds-two-middle-fingers-video/

The classless Democrats gathered in Sacramento for a state convention on Saturday. They had some harsh words for the President as they chanted, ‘F*** Donald Trump!’.
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May 22, 2017 8:10am
- VicParking
  
  Stop giving Labour Ideas.
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:57am
- Inandout
  
  The sum total of a snowflake’s vocabulary.
  
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  May 22, 2017 10:01am
- GazzaW
  
  Wording taken straight from Dotcom’s 2014 Nuremberg-style rally. ‘F*** John Key!’
  
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  May 22, 2017 10:49am
oldpark

Was wondering just how many so called defacto leaders the NZ Lie-bour Party has, and what is their plan for latest political football on immigration. A few weeks ago Angry Andy Little or mr 7% to his joined at the hip green party,said if elected they would slash immigration to the tune “of tens of thousands”,and make sure they wouldn’t get into NZ. On Lie-bour/Green Party channel TVNZ a guy called Twyford, who hates anyone with a chinese name ,who buys a residential property,contradicted Angry Andy Little ,and said they would bring in people to build houses. Seems as usual Liebour/Green party dont know their arse from their elbow.Sounds like Twyford has out flap jawed Mr 7%.To think that pack of losers want to run NZ,in fact all the running they can do is from the mouth ,with verbal diarrhea.
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May 22, 2017 8:15am
LisaGinNZ

FYI: two stories the NZ media won’t cover:

1) The Saudis put out the red carpet for President Trump and the USA’s concrete and substantive plans to support the Arab coalition for peace and against terrorism. There was no apologizing or bowing. Peace through strength = Trump. #Winning

2) Kim Dotcom admits he was involved with Seth Rich who was the ‘leaker’ who provided Wikileaks the DNC emails. (not da Russkies) Kim is checking with his lawyers and will supposedly make more statements and/or provide on Tuesday. Seth Rich was murdered. Most likely by someone in Clinton’s camp. Would be very interesting if that indeed could be proved… maybe a special counsel can investigate…

have a nice day
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May 22, 2017 8:16am
- cmm
  
  If what you say is correct, then it would seem that KDC is trying to create some sort of case that his life is in danger if he leaves NZ and is extradited to USA, Therefore refugee status.
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:29am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    For a moment I thought you wrote “KFC”…
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:34am
    - RalphT
      
      Leave his hobbies out of it.
      
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      May 22, 2017 9:19am
      - sooty
        
        He must have been one of the fat kids in the back of the car on tv advert.
        
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        May 22, 2017 9:45am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Sooty, the line from that KFC ad was:
        You go Hugo!
        
        Got to be a memorable ad when it brings back happy childhood memories ?
        
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        May 22, 2017 11:56am
- SGA
  
  The Saudis put out the red carpet for President Trump and the USA’s concrete and substantive plans to support the Arab coalition for peace and against terrorism.
  
  And this is different from the what Saudi’s have said in the past?
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:52am
- cha
  
  Seth Rich was murdered. Most likely by someone in Clinton’s camp.
  
  I believe Roger Ailes was involved somehow in his death and was about to talk. And now Roger is dead. I also believe after receiving classified information from my deep state source, that Sean Hannity is responsible for Roger’s death by using an untraceable silicon compound, developed by Mossad in conjunction with Darpa, to lube up the bathroom mat that Roger slipped on.
  
  Furthermore, I suspect Hannity, Reince Prebus, and Dotcon are now preparing a cover up of a magnitude that, if exposed, will shake the deep wingnut state to it’s very corpse.
  
  (prove me wrong/just asking questions)
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:38am
  - LisaGinNZ
    
    You might want to research Arkancide… but your attempts at humor are noted.
    
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    May 22, 2017 9:45am
    - cha
      
      Nah, I believe.
      
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      May 22, 2017 9:46am
  - Inandout
    
    Which brings us to that other mystery – who framed Roger Rabbit?
    
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    May 22, 2017 10:04am
- VicParking
  
  They covered the important stuff like “No head scarfs” and “Dancing with swords”.
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:59am
- Fletch
  
  Yes, we all have people close to us who have died, but not with the number of strange accidents etc that seem to befall friends and associates of the Clintons.
  
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  May 22, 2017 11:32am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Perhaps it is age of their associates and friends? that combined with high living at the trough.
    
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    May 22, 2017 3:14pm
Odakyu-sen

Not everyone wants to be independent and self-propelled. There is a lot of comfort in being a little cog in a big, well-oiled machine (with too many dip-sticks, it seems).
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May 22, 2017 8:35am
- stephieboy
  
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  Thus saith the Lord reading from the Gospel according to Odakyu sen !
  
  Snigger .
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:38am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t_KDGqOmE
    
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    May 22, 2017 9:03am
  - cmm
    
    stephie: Have you thought about what I suggested yesterday?
    
    If Trump’s still Prez come Cristmas 2017 will you go instead?
    
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    May 22, 2017 9:10am
  - Jack5
    
    Morning Stephie X:
    
    Re your 8.38 burble. The posters who are the subject of the most sniggers on this blog are the Stephiestan NZ troll team.
    
    Relax, and adapt to your new homeland. It’s no shame that your grandchildren will likely be Jehovah’s Witnesses banging on the doors of the country’s few remaining Muslims.
    
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    May 22, 2017 9:14am
- KevOB
  
  Many Kiwis are too close to their pioneering roots to tolerate a tightly controlled society. I can trace my first arrivals to 1862 and my Irish heritage brings a disguised anarchist. In 1986 I did an etching featuring the text “Have you killed a computer today?” NZedder’s will not be turned into robots easily.
  
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Longknives

This chick is about as ‘innocent’ as Schapelle Corby-

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/cassie-sainsbury-worked-as-a-prostitute-before-drug-arrest/news-story/8a0c190c33f39b6857e25177305bb2e8

An Aussie Hooker who just happened to be visiting Columbia was ‘framed’ and unwittingly became a Drug Mule?? C’mon…
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- holysheet
  
  who cares, lowlifes do what lowlifes do.
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:18am
Hugh Pavletich

Future Fundie warns Aussie bubble as disastrous as Ireland, US – MacroBusiness

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/future-fundie-warns-aussie-bubble-disastrous-ireland-us/

… behind paywall … extract …

… The fund’s senior researchers Matthew Wilson and Craig Shephard found that about half of all the nation’s mortgage debt was in the hands of borrowers whose debt was more than four times larger than their gross income.

The same borrowers had paid off less than half of their loans, the team found, based on data from several official and private sector sources that adjusted for changes in incomes and the collateral values of their homes.

The average loan-to-income ratio of these heavily indebted households was 6.4, or more than double the old banking “rule of thumb” that mortgage managers didn’t lend more than three times a household’s income “unless they were doctors”.

…Almost a third of the most highly geared borrowers were professionals with pre-tax incomes of more than $250,000. While they accounted for just 2 per cent of total households, they held 17 per cent of mortgage debt, and an average mortgage worth $1.6 million. Half of these borrowers had an investment property loan.

Other young households – dubbed “pretenders” because they had taken on large debts relative to their incomes – were also at risk. This group tended to have average incomes of $110,000 but an average mortgage that was an “eye-watering” 7.4 times larger at $840,000.

The last group, young families, were slightly better placed with average incomes of $80,000 and average mortgages of $420,000. … read more via hyperlink above ….

… Of necessity … lending multiples must mirror the median multiples of specific urban markets … refer …

2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

… As illustrated above … house prices in normal markets do not exceed 3.0 times annual household income … requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times …

Prof Bill Black & others discuss the Irish financial system performancve … Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw

… Are we adequately aware of the risks involved in the grossly excessive multiple housing markets of Australia and New Zealand ?
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … The Median Multiple housing mwasure is of critical importance …
  
  (NZ economist) Shamubeel Eaqub: The grim reality of NZ’s housing unaffordability is hidden | Stuff.co.nz
  
  http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/92768343/shamubeel-eaqub-the-grim-reality-of-nzs-housing-unaffordability-is-hidden
  
  … extract …
  
  … The simplest measures, like house prices relative to incomes, best explain declining home ownership in New Zealand. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  Shamubeel Eaqub: ‘Denials of a housing crisis are now simply lies’ | Radio New Zealand News
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/323140/%27denials-of-a-housing-crisis-are-now-simply-lies%27
  
  Opinion – Every government policy to make housing affordable since the early 1990s has been a failure, and it’s time the political classes actually delivered on their responsibilities, writes Shamubeel Eaqub.
  
  Housing in Auckland is extremely unaffordable.
  
  The latest Demographia International Housing Survey confirmed what we know – house prices in Auckland have risen much faster than incomes. So much so, that Auckland is the fourth least affordable city in a survey of 92 (major) cities around the world. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Newshub
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2016/08/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable.html
  
  … extract …
  
  … But both Shamubeel Eaqub and Hugh Pavletich say that to accurately measure housing affordability the simplest and cleanest measure is to look at the ratio between household income and house prices. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
  
  http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
  
  … extract … Dr Oliver Hartwich of The New Zealand Initiative within the Introduction …
  
  … I first became involved in housing debates in that year when I
  was a researcher at London think tank Policy Exchange. I
  remember very well how difficult it was to put a figure to
  housing affordability which is also internationally comparable.
  
  Demographia’s ‘median multiple’ approach closed this gap. It firmly established a benchmark for housing affordability by linking median house prices to median household incomes. It is as simple as it is ingenious. And it is probably the index I have cited most often in my career.
  
  The ‘median multiple’ is not a perfect measure because it does not account for house sizes or build quality. But it is the only index that allows a quick comparison of different housing markets, and it is the best approximation of housing affordability measures we have to date.
  
  So first of all, my congratulations and thanks to Wendell Cox and Hugh Pavletich: You have done the world a great service with your annual surveys and with your advocacy for housing affordability.
  
  When John Lennon met Elvis for the first time he said, “Before you there was nothing.” I feel the same way about your housing affordability index. Thank you. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:11am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Christ Hugh you’re a pain in the arse.
    
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    May 22, 2017 9:16am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Hugh:
    
    When John Lennon met Elvis for the first time he said, “Before you there was nothing.” I feel the same way about your housing affordability index. Thank you
    
    Wow, Hugh, I bet you had an orgasm when you read that?
    
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    May 22, 2017 9:22am
    - Longknives
      
      Hugh Pavletich- The ‘Rock Star’ of the Affordability Housing Index World..
      
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      May 22, 2017 9:25am
      - Paulus
        
        Gave up even looking at what Paaveltich writes – above my level of intelligence, and his.
        
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        May 22, 2017 10:28am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Read? I suggest he wrote that quote himself. One handed.
      
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      May 22, 2017 9:29am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Well worthwhile doing a study of the BNZ collapse back in the early 1990’s …
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=bnz+collapse&spf=1495440429085
        
        The bankers that were trashed at the time didn’t cope at all well.
        
        Do discuss this event with commercial people who were around at the time.
        
        In contrast, the public servants who lost their jobs coped remarkably well. They proved to be surprisingly entrepreneurial.
        
        But then … what the hell is an ex banker any good for ?
        
        We sure learnt a lot at the time !
        
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        May 22, 2017 8:16pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Tell us more about your Banking experience Hugh.
        Got any?
        Any comment on this
        “Does anyone actually think a Labour-led government would build 30,000 homes in three years. ”
        David Farrar.
        Hugh Pavletich does!
        Hahahahahha- what a numptie
        
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        May 22, 2017 8:33pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    TWO links to the “2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey” today Hugh. I’d suggest you are in grave danger of incurring the wrath of our host for trolling.
    
    We all know you are a self-proclaimed “housing expert”, in much the same way as Penny Bright is a self-proclaimed expert on corruption. I echo the thoughts of Captain Mainwaring and Nostradamus above.
    
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    May 22, 2017 9:44am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      … From Interest Co NZ this morning … attention on Banks …
      
      American household finances improve; TPP to be revived without the US; Australia at risk of Irish-style bust over interest-only mortgages; UST 10yr yield 2.24%; oil and gold up; NZ$1 = 69.3 US¢, TWI-5 = 73.5 | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/news/87829/american-household-finances-improve-tpp-be-revived-without-us-australia-risk-irish-style
      
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      May 22, 2017 10:05am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Real fear in Auckland now … Liam Dann of the NZ Herald reports …
        
        Liam Dann: Housing slowdown rides into town for Nats – Business – NZ Herald News
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11858242
        
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        May 22, 2017 11:49am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The New Zealand and Australian housing bubbles are way worse than the Irish one that burst in 07 / 08.
        
        Supply starved bubbles burst as well … eg California and the UK.
        
        Refer back through the Demographia Surveys … accessible via http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
        
        On an unweighted basis, the major metros of Ireland went from 4.7 Median Multiple to 2.8.
        
        Aussie is currently about 5.5 … NZ 5.9.
        
        Do take note of the 5 Important Graphs at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org as well … and read (google search) an article I wrote early 2014 ‘New Zealand’s Bubble Economy Is Vulnerable.’
        
        Those responsible will be appropriately held to account in due course.
        
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        May 22, 2017 12:21pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        SAMPLE …NATIONALS SORRY & SORDID HOUSING HISTORY …
        
        Just some of what I wrote late 2008 and early 2009 … and too … what then new Housing Minister Heatley said early 2009 …
        
        7 October 2008 … Gosh the Labour people really hated me then ! …
        
        “Kiwis Pay Price For ‘Cullen Housing Bubble’” … Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0810/S00090/kiwis-pay-price-for-cullen-housing-bubble.htm
        
        30 January 2009 …
        
        NZ Government Housing Commitment Applauded … Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0901/S00331/nz-government-housing-commitment-applauded.htm
        
        20 March 2009 …
        
        New Zealands Pragmatic Political Approach Welcome … Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0903/S00467/new-zealands-pragmatic-political-approach-welcome.htm
        
        At the time of the release of the 2009 5th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey, (as usual) late January of that year … then new Housing Minister Phil Heatley had this to say …
        
        beehive.govt.nz – Bringing better balance to the housing market
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/bringing-better-balance-housing-market
        
        Again … go back to the famous 5 IMPORTANT GRAPHS on my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … and ask yourselves the question … why after near 9 years has this Government failed to deliver ?
        
        If they can’t / wont … the only option of course is for a new Labour Government to do the job.
        
        Labour in any event is the political party of reform in this country.
        
        I think it would be fair to say the National Party is the place for political eunuchs.
        
        Sad … but true.
        
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        May 22, 2017 5:28pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        S&P downgrades the entire dumb bubble – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/sp-downgrades-entire-dumb-bubble/
        
        By Houses and Holes in Australian banks, Australian interest rates, Australian Property
        at 12:43 pm on May 22, 2017 | 43 comments
        
        Lordy:
        
        • In our opinion, economic imbalances in Australia have increased due to strong growth in private sector debt and residential property prices in the past four years, notwithstanding some signs of moderation in growth in recent weeks. Consequently, we believe financial institutions operating in Australia now face an increased risk of a sharp correction in property prices and, if that were to occur, a significant rise in credit losses. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        May 22, 2017 6:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        If you think Labour can solve this problem then you are confirming you are ignorant of what needs to be done or how Development works.
        No solutions mentioned by you huh, Hugh.
        You’re a one trick pony who really knows fuck all yet the ego on you it’s all your self promotion is just laughable.
        What a joke. It’s funny to watch your trolling.
        You really think you are hurting National by trolling on here?
        Lol It’s so tribal you won’t change one vote and all you are doing is making yourself look stupid!!!!!
        Hilarious- you’re ruining your own reputation. What a numpty
        
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        May 22, 2017 6:38pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        How China’s real estate bubble pushes up prices in Sydney … Sydney Morning Herald
        
        http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-chinas-real-estate-bubble-pushes-up-prices-in-sydney-20170522-gwa9w7.html
        
        … extract …
        
        … For instance, the median two-bed apartment in Shanghai sells for about $900,000, which is 25 per cent more than the median apartment price in Sydney.
        
        And Chinese property is much further out of reach relative to people’s incomes. It takes the equivalent of 12 years’ average income to buy the median Sydney house and 9.5 years’ income in Melbourne. In China’s top-tier cities, it take 30 years’ average income to buy the median dwelling.
        
        So as Chinese investors chase bargains in Australia, China’s real estate bubble floats in to help further inflate Australia’s high prices. The US funds manager Bill Sterling of Trilogy Global Advisers says Australia is a Chinese “secondary bubble”.
        
        “If you study the history of international finance there are often primary bubbles that create secondary bubbles somewhere else,” he told the Financial Review in Sydney recently, and the influence of Chinese money “may be more intense here than in most other countries in the world.”
        
        Young Chinese, shut out of their home market, are now snapping up foreign real estate using mobile phone apps. The Wall Street Journal cited a 29-year-old marketer from far western China who recently bought a studio apartment in Thailand, sight unseen, using the app Uoolu for $125,000.
        
        Chinese especially like the English-speaking “gateway” cities of Hong Kong and Singapore, Los Angeles and New York, Sydney and Melbourne, Vancouver and Auckland. The attraction isn’t just price. It’s breathable air, good schools and universities, and “that little thing called rule of law” as Tevfik puts it. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        May 23, 2017 1:24am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yes yes yes Hugh. We all get how the ratios are too high.
    How could we not the way you spam us every day. Although most of us have been aware of this and the problems surrounding Smart Growth for 10 years!
    But what are YOUR solutions to fix this?
    You’ve been asked several times to provide them. It’s obvious to any property expert that Labours aren’t going to work. Even the Journos are working out the holes in it now.
    What’s the matter. Don’t you have any?
    
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    May 22, 2017 11:09am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Hugh doesn’t deal with solutions. His sole purpose in life is to identify the failings of whoever is running things at any one time, and blog about it, ad infinitum, ad nauseum…
      
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      May 22, 2017 1:21pm
      - Nermal
        
        I usually disagree with MM & StephieX, but I scan what they write because at least they converse(in the broadest sense).
        
        Hugh & Penny just sign in, take a dump, hopefully wash their hands, and walk away.
        
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        May 22, 2017 4:27pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        But but but Nermal
        Hugh’s got IMPORTANT graphs!
        
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        May 22, 2017 8:36pm
- Happychappy
  
  Was Liam Danns Column yesterday a little hard on your theory to copy and paste Hugh or does the truth hurt.
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:39am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Happychappy … Thank you for drawing the NZ Herald Dann article to my attention. I have posted it … see above.
    
    He is wrong on the politics though. 4 months out to the election is way too long to be of any assistance to the current Government. They are toast.
    
    I trust you and others at KB find these comments by former Canadian Conservative politician Garth Turner of interest …
    
    Garth Turners Greater Fool Blog … ‘MAYDAY ?’
    … h/t PH …
    
    http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/05/01/mayday-2/
    
    Over six thousand people decided to sell their GTA properties in the last seven days. Of those 6,050 new listings roughly 1,500 were condos, which might suggest a whole mess of locals have decided to cash in their detached lottery ticket before this gig is up.
    
    No wonder. The angst and heebeejeebees this pathetic blog has been wallowing in for the last few weeks has finally made into what’s left of the MSM. Like this story in today’s Toronto Star:
    
    It is like a tap has been switched off. That’s how realtor Louise Sabino describes the housing market in the wake of the Liberal government’s provincial plan aimed at cooling Toronto’s scorching property prices.
    
    “I think it’s shocking that it did make the impact so fast,” the Royal LePage Signature Realty agent said.
    
    That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    About Garth Turner … Greater Fool Blog
    
    http://www.greaterfool.ca/about-garth-turner/
    
    Google News Search ‘Home Capital Canada’
    
    https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=home+capital+canada&tbm=nws&spf=731
    
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    May 22, 2017 12:05pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      “They are toast.”
      
      Hugh’s daily wet dream.
      
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      May 22, 2017 12:59pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Mainwaring, hugh seems to have forgotten that the 1st rule of liebour government is that property prices go through the roof as liebour pisses taxpayer money up against the wall. He also seems to have forgotten that despite Officials’ advice about tax avoidance, they ploughed ahead with WFF that, in combination with LAQC rorts, put house prices into turbo mode.
        
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        May 22, 2017 6:43pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      So what are your solutions Hugh?
      Got any?
      Nah, because the point of Hugh’s constant posting is to be negative about the National Party.
      He’s just a Labour supporting Troll.
      
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      May 22, 2017 1:00pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        All on Red … In your case … prayer.
        
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        May 22, 2017 6:23pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        So, you got nothing.
        Full of shit troll huh.
        Ironic you link to a website called ‘Greater Fool’ lol
        
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        May 22, 2017 6:31pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        He doesn’t have any solutions, which is why his business is fucked and he has resorted to link-whoring here.
        
        Edit: good grief, I can’t believe I actually typed “business”.
        
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        May 22, 2017 6:36pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        He’s so dumb he doesn’t realise that his behaviour is hurting what little reputation he has. On NZs second most popular blog.
        He’s an effwit.
        
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        May 22, 2017 6:42pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        He’s so dumb that dumb people call him dumb.
        
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        May 22, 2017 6:45pm
krazykiwi

Scroll, scroll, scroll …
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May 22, 2017 9:11am
- pdm
  
  kk
  
  Don;t you mean scroll scroll scroll……………………..
  downtick?
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:48am
  - GazzaW
    
    Just like the stephieboy trolling team, ztev and MnM, Hugh counts his downtick totals as a badge of pride.
    
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    May 22, 2017 11:44am
krazykiwi

The availability of cheap, accessible energy is what’s bought us from the caves. We have health, education, food security and leisure thanks to increased energy supply.

So while the Greens and other eco-fascists want to send us back to those caves, I’m thankful for technological advancements like fracking, shale oil and methane hydrates aka ‘flammable ice’ that promise us hydrocarbon-based energy for centuries to come.
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May 22, 2017 9:13am
- VicParking
  
  I’d go back to a cave but I hear they are occupied by Moa’s and light shows.
  
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  May 22, 2017 10:03am
- SGA
  
  The availability of cheap, accessible energy is what’s bought us from the caves.
  
  Well, no. The development of agriculture had a lot more to do with it. Civilisations, like armies, march on their stomachs. Doing things like burning coal, oil and using electricity are relatively modern developments.
  
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  May 22, 2017 11:05am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Agriculture was important for sure. It helped transform our nomadic ancestors into settled communities.
    
    Oil and electricity have only been used widely in the last 200 years. Coal, on the other hand, was used 3000 years ago.
    
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    May 22, 2017 11:51am
    - SGA
      
      Fair enough about the coal 🙂 , but its widespread use has been relatively more recent.
      
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      May 22, 2017 11:59am
Rich Prick

Why is diversity a good thing? Just curious.
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May 22, 2017 9:16am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Diversity = natural mutation.
  Selection pressures will eliminate those individuals/cultures who are less fit.
  
  Maybe we are seeing more diversity because selection pressure is being reduced.
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:31am
  - SGA
    
    Not sure that an evolution model fits that well (at least in the way you are using it). Over the last 1000 years, cultures have undergone dramatic change internally as a result of developments in science and technology and factors such as more universal education. You could talk about mutation as easily as natural selection. Culturally, I probably have as much in common with someone my age doing a similar job in Moscow or Rio than my great, great, grandfather, say.
    
    I’m also not sure that diversity is driven by “selection pressure being reduced” (in fact, I’m not sure what you mean by that). Migration seems a more important factor, and when you get numbers of people from one “culture” moving to other places, you get an increase in diversity – whether it’s early homo sapiens entering Neanderthal parts of Europe, European colonization of various parts of the world, diverse migration (including “forced” migration) into place like the USA, or the trends we see in immigration now.
    
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    May 22, 2017 10:51am
- Fletch
  
  The problem with liberals is that they try and force diversity – eg, we have to have so many gays, so many black people, so many females, so many trans in whatever organization we are talking about. The only thing they won’t tolerate is diversity of opinion.
  
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  May 22, 2017 11:35am
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch , whose forcing you to say intermarry or forcing you to live next door to a Chinese or Black family or whatever ?
    
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    May 22, 2017 6:48pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Probably no one. Unlike some who have to intermarry cause the people they marry only want a Passport. Sad eh.
      
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      May 22, 2017 6:53pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , marrying for a passport is not exculsively an interracial marraige thing.
        
        http://www.single-russian-woman.com/info/immigration/usavisa
        
        There is even hope for you.
        
        LOL!
        
        PS How is the crash course in bricklaying going ?
        
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        May 22, 2017 7:02pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        True, seems to be mainly where lonely loser white men can’t find someone to put up with their sad drab little life so pick anyone they can get. And the Passport is the prize.
        Sad!
        Edit- Sharks Mallboy. Sharks with frickin Lasers! Zap!!!!
        
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        May 22, 2017 7:04pm
- stephieboy
  
  Rich Prick , you and other alt righters might like to ponder why sameness is such a good thing .
  
  Just curious.
  
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  May 22, 2017 6:46pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Are you calling RP a Nazi?
    
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    May 22, 2017 6:49pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , didn’t take long for you to yet make another pointless post .
      
      Pray tell me why you think drab uniformity is such a good thing ?
      
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      May 22, 2017 6:55pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol at the King of Pointless Posts. Kiwiblogs DUMBEST commentator
        Heh, my life ain’t drab that’s for sure. Not like yours Mallboy.
        
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        May 22, 2017 6:56pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , dejected that your POTUS is kow towing to the Sunni Muslims ?
        
        LOL !
        
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        May 22, 2017 6:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        hahaahah! Poor Stephie. Sad!
        
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        May 22, 2017 7:00pm
Happychappy

Has anyone else done the the political questioneer on Stuff, and if you have do you think that Labour will get to analyse the data from one of our most bias media outlets. The funny thing about it they ask if your prepared to have a jounalist ring you to find out about your views.
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May 22, 2017 9:19am
Longknives

I bet all those who sent gifts will be feeling a little ripped off now? It’s got lowlife scam written all over it.
*I do feel for this poor kid..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11860495

“Barnett also admitted she had a number of different names, but said that was because she didn’t like her first name..”
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May 22, 2017 9:22am
cha

Dixon on pole!.
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May 22, 2017 9:45am
- pdm
  
  Inv – aka Keeping Stock – will be glued to the screen – explains why he has not been sighted here today.
  
  Especially after an all nighter watching the cricket.
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:53am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Just home from a trip to the office pdm. Will be working with one ear on the telly today, and lots of sport MySkyed over the weekend 😎
    
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    May 22, 2017 10:15am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And Alonso 5th. Great effort from both of them.
  
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  May 22, 2017 11:12am
cha

Attention Alex Jones/Reid

The illuminnutsi, they exist!.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAX0WV_XgAAsr25.jpg
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May 22, 2017 9:47am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Why do conspiracy supporters come across as being so wide-eyed and excitable? (re: Alex Jones)
  
  Maybe Jones was a door-to-door salesman in a previous life…
  
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  May 22, 2017 10:21am
Manolo

Unelectable Corbyn ducks and dodges:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4526980/Corbyn-WON-T-say-immigration-high.html

Jeremy Corbyn today flatly refused to say that immigration is too high and must come down.

The Labour leader was challenged five times over whether he believed numbers should fall after Brexit, but would only say that he wanted a ‘fair’ policy.
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May 22, 2017 9:56am
VicParking

#COYS. Hull 1 Spurs 7 Harry the Goldern boot.
Best news however: The Arseholes in the Europa league.
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May 22, 2017 10:08am
- Happychappy
  
  It is easy to record results after the horse has bolted,bridesmaids in the Premier League with no Trophys again for Spurs. Whimps or Winners.
  
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  May 22, 2017 10:17am
krazykiwi

Not surprised: Wellington loses 7’s to Hamilton
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May 22, 2017 10:11am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Unless it’s drinking latte at Oriental Parade or drinking chardonnay at soirees with other left bent fuckwits at art galleries, the Wellington Council doesn’t want a bar of entertaining night life. Concert promoters are once again refusing to bring acts here due to the council meddling in event suppliers.
  
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  May 22, 2017 10:24am
- SGA
  
  Oh dear, so long as they leave their cow bells at home.
  
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  May 22, 2017 11:20am
- GazzaW
  
  One less event with which to support an argument for the runway extensions.
  
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  May 22, 2017 11:50am
Prince

Martyn Matthews position as Auditor General looks increasingly tenuous.
The MOT Chief Legal Advisor wrote to him as CEO in 2014, pointing out issues with fraudster Harrison’s activities and asking for help to get answers out of her. Matthews has said he investigated the situation thoroughly. It now appears he responded saying he has decided not to pursue the matter as it would display a ‘lack of trust’.
I’m no fan of Red Radio but good on them for carrying on this investigation.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=201844636

To think this guy is now Auditor General is deeply concerning.
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May 22, 2017 10:17am
- howitis
  
  Mathews is in the Wrong Place as Auditor General of NZ.
  
  The simple fact that he fobbed off the Australian Federal police shows he is incompetent to be NZ’s Auditor General.
  
  I was speaking to a (lawyer ) mate in Aussie recently. There was big whistle though the teeth when I told him of this. He was flabbergasted. He has worked in Canberra for the Federal government.
  The Australian Federal Police do not reach out overseas for student loans and traffic fines. This was serious.
  Mathews had already worked for 18 years at The Audit office and is a Fellow of the Institute of Accountants. He should be more aware. A Fellow is an advanced position.
  
  If boofhead Mathews does not see the overseas reach out by a foreign police force as serious then no-one can take this idiot seriously as top auditor looking at the proprietary of the billions of dollars of taxpayers money.
  
  He did spend 10 years as Chief executive of the Ministry for Culture and Heritage so this may have softened his head.
  
  Has it been fully investigated that Martin/Martyn Mathews clearly did not engage in inappropriate activity with Joanne Sharp/Harrison or whatever her name finally ends up as > Maybe Joanne (Bill) Liu?
  
  Matthews has to go as AG.
  He has form with a massive prior accounting error while also CEO at NZTA.
  https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/180m-accounting-error-ministry-rm-111436
  NBR. Not paywalled.
  
  $180M accounting error at ministry
  
  …A parliamentary select committee hearing yesterday morning heard from ministry chief executive Martin Matthews where he expressed that the incident had been dealt with with the “utmost seriousness”….
  
  …An accounting error made last year within the Ministry of Transport resulted in a $180 million ‘blip’ that was left undiscovered for at least half a year…..
  
  >>Yep it was only a blip. Great sound that! Its only other peoples’ money. Ya know, taxpayers n stuff. Who cares!
  
  Elsewhere on this matter:-
  ..The error occurred when a figure was left out while data was being transferred between spreadsheets, leaving the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) apparently up $180m….
  
  Pretty poor when you are handling multi-millions on Excel spreadsheets. Pity they can’t invest in a real system. The quality of staff was so poor they could not logically see a $180 million error.
  
  No wonder Harrison/Sharp/Lui got away with a mere three quarters of a million dollars when no-one can spot nearly $200 million error for over six months.
  
  If this joker is a TOP public servant then what lurks in the lower rungs?
  We taxpayers are not well served.
  Certainly not by having Mathews as Auditor General.
  What actually do you have to do to be marked as incompetent in the NZ Public Service?
  
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  May 22, 2017 2:18pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I think Mr Matthews might have a huge knowledge of “The Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi”.
    There has to be some reason that he retains employment at the expense of the taxpayer.
    If you know a better reason than that set out above, hit me with it.
    The matters highlighted by Howitis disclose a repugnant state of affairs.
    In the whole scheme of things an error at NZTA of $1.8mil can be forgiven. An error of $180,000,000 is totally and completely unacceptable.
    
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    May 22, 2017 3:56pm
waikatosinger

The conservative party in the UK, which will probably win the election, has set out an extraordinarily draconian set of proposals for censorship and limitation of free speech in their election manifesto. They want full time surveillance of all internet browsing and they propose to redesign the internet protocols to make it impossible to dodge this. They want government control over all news, both on and off the internet, ostensibly to combat fake news. They already have the worlds most intensive webcam surveillance system and they have shown a dangerous tendency to arrest and jail people for thought crimes. It is a horrific high tech police state in the making.

And if I were in the UK I’d probably vote for them anyway, because Labour are the only viable alternative and they are even worse.
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May 22, 2017 10:22am
krazykiwi

Not content with starving and murdering his citizens, Venezuela’s fascist dictator now complains that his officials abroad are treated much like Nazi’s treated Jews.

Quite the charmer isn’t he?
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May 22, 2017 10:23am
Stars And Stripes

No Budget ‘waves of cash’ to fix NZ’s social problems – English
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/05/no-budget-waves-of-cash-to-fix-nz-s-social-problems-english.html
“The Government is failing New Zealand’s “most complex” families, but the Prime Minister says there won’t be “waves of cash” in this week’s Budget to help them out”.

I’m a big fan of euphemism’s as well Bill so here are a couple you might enjoy.
“The Government is failing New Zealand’s “most retarded” families, but the Prime Minister says there won’t be “waves of koha” in this week’s Budget to help them out”.
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May 22, 2017 10:36am
- kowtow
  
  Those collectives of tax soakers aren’t “families”.
  
  “noun
  1.
  a group consisting of two parents and their children living together as a unit.”
  
  The fact that there aren’t 2 married parents and children living together as a unit is the heart of the problem.
  And it will only get worse and no amount of tax money will cure the problem.
  
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  May 22, 2017 12:38pm
  - Longknives
    
    What you mean a druggie Solo Mum with six feral kids to assorted Gangmenbers isn’t a ‘Family’??
    You heartless bastard..
    
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    May 22, 2017 1:18pm
    - GoVege
      
      The Maori Party says they (gangs and their hangers-on) are family (whanau)….so they must be LK!
      
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      May 22, 2017 2:34pm
      - cmm
        
        I thought they were called whanau (pronounced FarNo) because most of them are from the Far North.
        
        You learn something new every day!
        
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        May 22, 2017 4:52pm
fernglas

An interesting analysis of the nonsense spouted by some on this blog.https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/22-05-2017/the-white-tangata-whenua-and-other-bullshit-from-the-one-new-zealand-crew/
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May 22, 2017 10:48am
krazykiwi

A UK university* is removing a dedicated prayer space for Muslims, and taking flak from the Muslim students.

Fair enough in my view. The university already offers a Multi-Faith Centre on campus, so I don’t see why their Muslim students should have dedicated facilities.

The space is to be turned into an access way to the library. Quite fitting.

*It’s the University of East Anglia. I keep an eye on the their Climatic Research Unit as they indulged in a corruption of science which led to the term ‘Climategate’
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May 22, 2017 11:14am
- jonar
  
  I keep an eye on the their Climatic Research Unit as they indulged in a corruption of science which led to the term ‘Climategate’
  
  Maybe you should find something more productive to do…
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy
  
  Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct.
  
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  May 22, 2017 12:11pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    If you believe anything about ‘climate change’ from Wikipedia then discussing the topic with you is pointless.
    
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    May 22, 2017 12:18pm
    - stephieboy
      
      krazykiwi , then post your ” reputable ” and ” trusted ” sources ?
      
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      May 22, 2017 12:55pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Scientific method is the most reputable and trusted source.
        
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        May 22, 2017 1:19pm
    - jonar
      
      There’s references at the bottom of the article, but easier to attack the source than the argument I guess…
      
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      May 22, 2017 4:11pm
    - mikenmild
      
      He said, after linking to the Telegraph…
      
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      May 22, 2017 6:53pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    Eight committees; eight coats of whitewash.
    
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    May 22, 2017 2:15pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Indeed, the Term of reference for some of those enquiries would make Sir Humphrey proud.
      Doesn’t matter though. All the actors in it are discredited now.
      
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      May 22, 2017 6:48pm
Captain Mainwaring

Tesla might not use evil fossil fuels when you’re driving it, but building it might not be quite so healthy.

http://autotalk.co.nz/news/questions-tesla-factory-safety
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May 22, 2017 12:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  Overcome with your petrol head fumes ?
  
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  May 22, 2017 12:56pm
- cmm
  
  Each Tesla uses $US37k of US taxpayer koha.
  
  That’s the real magic that keeps them going.
  
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  May 22, 2017 4:49pm
waikatogirl

Hamilton is now the home of 7’s Rugby. No doubt it will be a huge success for a couple of years. Good idea to move it around the country to increase interest from a new pool of locals.
Wellingtonians had lost interest and voted with their feet.
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May 22, 2017 12:03pm
cha

Proof ~~Obama~~ Trump is a super mega double sekrit sekrit evil Muslim …
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“Terrorism has spread all across the world. But the path to peace begins right here, on this ancient soil, in this sacred land,” Trump told leaders from about 50 Muslim-majority countries representing more than a billion people.

http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKCN18H00U-OCATP?sp=true
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May 22, 2017 12:43pm
- cha
  
  Things are getting fucking weird now.
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/25073877/1495406294/1500×500
  
  https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
  
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  May 22, 2017 1:50pm
  - Kimbo
    
    A case of, “Only Nixon could go to China”? 😉
    
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/only_Nixon_could_go_to_China
    
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    May 22, 2017 1:51pm
wreck1080

The awful awful journalism by some people….they may have passed english but not much else. Critical thinking is severely lacking and these people just have no practical understanding such as the concept of value.

eg, herald are running a major investigation comparing the price of water paid by water bottling companies vs the price paid by households.

The herald concludes that water bottlers pay virtually nothing for water and households pay huge amounts.

But, my understanding is that households pay for the distribution network rather than the water.

So, it makes the heralds entire case rubbish because the water bottling companies would pay the exact same price for the water to be piped to them — but they just extract from source to avoid this cost.
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May 22, 2017 12:45pm
- Jack5
  
  The Treaty of Waitangi is the elephant in the room when it comes to water rights.
  
  With the Left lining up with Maori on water exports, expect free water to be politically hammered.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10836420
  
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  May 22, 2017 2:16pm
Longknives

The All Blacks (Yep they ARE the All Blacks- Steve Tew decreed it so!) caught cheating yet again in this morning’s loss to Scotland.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sevens/92829312/tony-smith-seven-is-heaven-but-eight-grates-for-numerically-challenged-new-zealanders
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May 22, 2017 1:26pm
- Kimbo
  
  While as an All Black supporter part of me was happy no action was ever taken, another part of me was always a bit miffed that a few years ago the All Blacks got caught out in Joburg when they hadn’t filled their pre-match team card in properly, and they fielded a substitute who wasn’t listed. SANZAR let it go because it was “an honest mistake”.
  
  Pfft. For those of us who have had to fill in a team card perched behind a goal post to shield from a wet biting winter southerly, knowing very well that if we didn’t get it right the f&%$ing union appeals committee would take no mercy on us, and instead would automatically deduct any winning points from the game
  
  …there was bemusement that supposed professional administrators paid many tens of thousands dollars to get it right…stuffed up.
  
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  May 22, 2017 1:37pm
krazykiwi

The world over, so-called ‘green’ projects are failing to deliver what was promised, to solve a problem that doesn’t exist. To wit:

A $AU105m state-funded solar generation facility is nothing more than a pile of junk because of ‘rapidly moving clouds’

It was supposed to supply cheaper, greener energy to up to 5000 homes but after six years and tens of millions of dollars, a cutting-edge solar energy project has produced nothing other than a large taxpayer-funded pile of scrap.

Three thousand solar panels sit unused on a concrete pad after the pioneering Kogan Creek Solar Boost project was shelved due to rusting pipes and “rapidly moving clouds”
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May 22, 2017 1:58pm
Captain Mainwaring

Labour’s East Coast Bays candidate Tony Condon has pulled the plug because he didn’t like his list placing (71).
Bwaaaahaahaahaaa………
He won’t be the last.
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May 22, 2017 2:22pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Did you mean Rohan Lord?
  
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  May 22, 2017 2:55pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Apologies, you are right.
    It was indeed Rohan Lord.
    
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    May 22, 2017 3:48pm
starboard

**Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari must go**

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/tag/sultan_ali_abdul_ali_akbari

Why is he still here ! Who let him stay? Names, please.
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May 22, 2017 2:26pm
- Kimbo
  
  Why is he still here !
  
  Because a bunch of bureaucrats failed to apply the policy as the Minister expected, and while he has reiterated his expectations in future, as it is an operational matter, and he is unable to intervene. Just ask Alfred Ngaro.
  
  Who let him stay? Names, please.
  
  The best you will get is “the public service”. With good reason. The poor bastard who assesses your tax return deserves better than an obsessive compulsive – albeit with a valid goal by invalid means in the case of Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari – haranguing him or her if you disagree with their decision.
  
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  May 22, 2017 2:30pm
  - calendar girl
    
    So you accept a lack of accountability on the part of officials. I don’t.
    
    But that’s because I’m firmly on the side of young women – and even younger female children – who were molested by this foreign, serial criminal. If there are no sanctions against such ineptitude by officials (our Government has remained silent, so we can assume that there have been none), we can expect to ‘welcome’ more foreign kiddy fiddlers into our country. That’s Europe’s problem, and I don’t want it here.
    
    The Minister himself has not even explained to the public what he had “expected” in the Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari case, plus what went wrong, and why. That Minister has been (and remains) in hiding. It’s time that Bill English called him out if he intends to to stamp his authority and a sense of integrity on his National-lead Government.
    
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    May 22, 2017 4:39pm
    - Kimbo
      
      So you accept a lack of accountability on the part of officials…
      
      Nope. Didn’t say that. The Minister did what he could – he suspended the board pending clarification it would implement his policies. But other than CEOs, and Heads of Departments, government employees, just like ones in the private sector, don’t get thrown under the bus by revealing their names to the public. Discipline in house? Yes. Dismissal? Maybe. But as per employment law we will never know who.
      
      But if you want to go the lynch-mob route, and have a more “direct” form of justice, maybe this isn’t the country for you. Saudi Arabia seems more your style. Maybe take starboard with you…
      
      Either way, kindly don’t misrepresent what I say in future.
      
      The Minister himself has not even explained to the public what he had “expected” in the Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari case, plus what went wrong, and why. That Minister has been (and remains) in hiding. It’s time that Bill English called him out if he intends to to stamp his authority and a sense of integrity on his National-lead Government.
      
      Well done, you get the “stupid prize” for today. The reason neither he nor the PM has said it directly – even though it is plain what Woodhouse means when he says he has “clarified his policy expectations” – is so that if and when Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari (and I hope if he does it is at the lesser end of the scale and he is under police surveillance)
      
      …there are no grounds to appeal his removal because the Minister of Immigration was stupid enough to comment publicly, i.e., interfere in an operational matter, to satisfy the likes of the constitutionally and legally challenged such as you and starboard. usually i would not be so blunt and tactless, but you misrepresent what I say, you get a response. Either way, when you say
      
      But that’s because I’m firmly on the side of young women – and even younger female children – who were molested by this foreign, serial criminal
      
      Nope. Your brand of justice and political over-activism/interference are the sort of things that will see him stay longer than is necessary – and due to a poor decision that no politician can reverse at present, he has already stayed long enough.
      
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      May 22, 2017 4:53pm
      - dirty harry
        
        You are exteremly full of yourself kimbo. Are you a short male, maybe 5’2 with little hands and a protruding stomach ? Ah yes, thought so.
        
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        May 22, 2017 7:12pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I see starboard has forgotten he is logged in as ‘dirty harry’ again…
        
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        May 22, 2017 7:37pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ dirty harry
        
        You are exteremly full of yourself kimbo. Are you a short male, maybe 5’2 with little hands and a protruding stomach ? Ah yes, thought so.
        
        Not only is your spelling of the adverb. “exteremly” incorrect, but it was also unnecessary and excessive.
        
        And no, 6’3″, hand size, yeah, you got me ya bastard, and even though I did 3x 80 crunches tonight, yeah my after-gym beers means my stomach protrudes a bit.
        
        So what’s your excuse/explanation for being an arse wipe?
        
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        May 22, 2017 8:07pm
      - dirty harry
        
        ppffttt tosser..”3x 80 crunches tonight”, is that what they call it now, used to be a tug.
        
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        May 22, 2017 8:30pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Don’t like the answer, don’t ask the question. How many times did you jerk off today? Because the evidence is overwhelming that, other than spraying phlegm at a computer screen, it’s the only exercise you get.
        
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        May 22, 2017 8:39pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Crudely-framed insults in defence of your arguments do you few favours, Kimbo.
        
        I do not accept that I misrepresented you. Your acceptance of an absence of official accountability in the case of Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari is clear for all to reach their own judgements. I am not calling for any officials to be named, so I would appreciate your not misrepresenting me.
        
        However, you might care to explain to us what Michael Woodhouse’s ‘expectations’ were of his officials in the Akbari case. Mr Woodhouse himself won’t explain; so I don’t know, and nor do you. Yet you plead, effectively, that ‘nothing can be done’ in the face of official ineptitude; while young New Zealand women and female pre-teens remain at risk for at least five years to a serial sexual molester’s Government-sanctioned freedom in our country. A foreign criminal who, in my view, should have been deported.
        
        If – as you suggest – the Akbari case is stalemated, Minister Woodhouse should be required to resign forthwith from the Ministry. Do you agree?
        
        If our Government cannot defend its citizens against a known foreign sexual predator in our midst, what price the principle of ‘law & order’ as a hallmark of our society?
        
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        May 22, 2017 11:42pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I do not accept that I misrepresented you. Your acceptance of an absence of official accountability in the case of Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari is clear for all to reach their own judgements. I am not calling for any officials to be named, so I would appreciate your not misrepresenting me.
        
        But starboard did and in context, when I explained why that was not legal, you replied, “So you accept a lack of accountability on the part of officials. “. Maybe you had better read more carefully next time. On second thoughts, no, I’m not giving you the benefit of the doubt – you are a shameless liar. The plain English of the exchanges it reveals it to be so, and kindly don’t insult my intelligence with your flagrant dishonesty next time.
        
        However, you might care to explain to us what Michael Woodhouse’s ‘expectations’ were of his officials in the Akbari case. Mr Woodhouse himself won’t explain; so I don’t know, and nor do you. Yet you plead, effectively, that ‘nothing can be done’ in the face of official ineptitude; while young New Zealand women and female pre-teens remain at risk for at least five years to a serial sexual molester’s Government-sanctioned freedom in our country. A foreign criminal who, in my view, should have been deported.
        
        Woodhouse, like you and me, wanted him gone first time, no excuses.
        
        If – as you suggest – the Akbari case is stalemated, Minister Woodhouse should be required to resign forthwith from the Ministry. Do you agree?
        
        Nope. Won’t solve anything.
        
        If our Government cannot defend its citizens against a known foreign sexual predator in our midst, what price the principle of ‘law & order’ as a hallmark of our society?
        
        Um, at the very least, stopping a deranged dishonest witch-hunting idiot like you dictating public policy. Once had respect for you calendar girl, despite our differences. But as you are so dishonest, that just got flushed.
        
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        May 23, 2017 12:16am
Maggy Wassilieff

What’s the point of having friends if you can’t benefit from the relationship?
https://yournz.org/2017/05/22/craig-v-slater-witness-revelations/
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May 22, 2017 2:33pm
- 4077th
  
  A devious woman lawyer, who would have thought? Women are much smarter than men at games like this. Cam was as blind as a bat and should have been much more suspicious but sometimes, I suspect, subtle signals are ignored if you are fond of your “friends”.
  
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  May 22, 2017 5:14pm
Ross12

A few days ago there some Democrats and MSM who were saying Trump’s ME visit should cancelled as he was too “dangerous” and he lacked foreign policy experience.
Well even the LA Times prints this
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-saudi-trump-youth-20170521-story.html
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May 22, 2017 2:33pm
Stars And Stripes

Pink brigade: Police turn pink for NZ Anti Bullying awareness campaign
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11860905.
“The men in blue have turned pink in an attempt to raise awareness for New Zealand Anti Bullying week.
The Waikato District Police will don pink hi-vis vests while on duty between today and Friday, May 26”.

Here is a better suggestion NZ Police, politicians and other assorted groups who like to jump on the bandwagon of the latest trendy cause.
How about you address the rampant problem of the “bullying” of innocent shopkeepers by thugs and scum first then once this has been dealt with by all means start prancing around in your little pink vests.
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May 22, 2017 2:39pm
- Longknives
  
  Yep S&S- Thus far the only response I’ve seen from NZ Police regarding the Horrendous spate of Robberies is some cowardly Detective Senior Sergeant telling people to give the Offenders what they want and not to fight back!
  Fucking Disgraceful- Police seem more interested in marching at Pride Parades and going to Mosques for ‘Diversity Training’ than protecting the public these days…
  
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  May 22, 2017 4:06pm
Dafixeruppa

Rats desert the sinking ship
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11860861
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May 22, 2017 2:46pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Labour didn’t need any candidates with fundraising skills /sarc
  
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  May 22, 2017 2:56pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And they won’t need to replace Lord as they could shorten the list by about 30 and still have far too many.
    East Coast Bays? Why bother?
    
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    May 22, 2017 3:51pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From the article that Dafixeruppa linked to:
  
  Labour is seeking a new person to run in East Coast Bays after its candidate withdrew from the race.
  
  Let’s see – oh yes – Andrew Little could be interested!
  
  For Little, if the party doesn’t get 30 per cent, Jackson’s need for a new career is the least of his problems. He just must get above 30 or no one in Labour succeeds. Labour needs, between now and September 23 to go from its current polling of around 30 to about 35 or 36 (a percentage point a month) if it can be in the ascendancy when the vote is counted.
  
  Andrew Little must wake up every morning, look forlornly at the latest political polls, and wonder if his “safe spot” on the Labour Party list is actually the (r)ejection seat.
  
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  May 22, 2017 4:28pm
Jack5

The multiculturists have begun softening Southland up for Muslim refugees. For Southland Times readers, someone in Dunedin interviews Muslim refugees there.
The reporter, Richard Davison, seems to be the Fairfax NZ man in Otago.

The Red Cross now hopes to replicate in Southland the community help (200 or so volunteers) that it has used in Dunedin.

There has been some resistance in Southland to the Immigration Department’s declaration that refugees would be sent there to settle.

Meanwhile, in a letter to the Christchurch Press, Donna Miles-Mojab, the political activist who was born a Muslim in Britain to Iranian parents, seeks tolerance for Muslims in Canterbury. In the letter she talks of people being called “terrorist b-” in the street. She asks:

“If we don’t blame Christianity for terrorist attacks carried out by Christians then why Muslims for terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims?”

This argument has been heard before: Islam isn’t to blame for ISIL or the Muslim Brotherhood or Al Qaeda.

Miles-Mojab in an article on the Daily Blog on 2 June 2015, said:

”I believe that the greatest threats to our freedom of speech are posed by the Western governments who, under the guise of national security and through greater surveillance, limit our privacy and our ability to speak freely without intimidation and fear.”

Miles-Mojab doesn’t appear to have any problem getting her views published in NZ.
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May 22, 2017 3:04pm
- Jack5
  
  Meanwhile, of course, the Stephieboys troll team successfully undoes much of the work of the Muslim PR effort in NZ.
  
  Keep it up Stephies!
  
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  May 22, 2017 3:07pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack5 ,
    
    keep uo the paranoid drivel ! Enlisted SIS support to help you monitor the 200 Syrian refugees living in Dunedin ?
    
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    May 22, 2017 4:35pm
- stephieboy
  
  . Do you think we should suppress her point of view . ?
  
  Thoughts s on Trump’s visit to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia concluding multi million dollar trade and arms deals??
  
  Shock horror or … ?
  
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  May 22, 2017 4:48pm
KevinH

The irony in Miles-Mohab’s letter is that in muslim countries those same freedoms are harshly suppressed and that in western democracy’s followers of Islam enjoy considerably more freedom of speech than they have in their home countries.
Western nations are providing considerable resources in terms of homes and benefits to refugee’s and in Miles-Mohab’s letter there is no acknowledgement of that generosity.
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May 22, 2017 3:18pm
- stephieboy
  
  KevinH , do you feel Muslim immigrants ( many are ffrom India ) should be discriminated as opposed to other immigrants in terms of welfare and other entitlements ?
  
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  May 22, 2017 4:33pm
jonar

How some Trump supporters deal with free speech they don’t like.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/congressman-al-green-democrat-houston-texas-lynching-donald-trump-impeachment-a7747736.html

Donald Trump supporters reportedly threatened to “lynch” an African-American politician who called for the US President to be impeached.

Democrat representative Al Green said he had been menaced with threatening phone calls after he took to the House floor to accuse Mr Trump of “obstruction of justice”.

He reportedly played a number of voicemails that had been left by supporters of the Republican leader at a town hall meeting in Houston
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May 22, 2017 4:13pm
cmm

Even the TDS snowflakes in the MSM finally cry themselves out:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/92844974/five-reasons-president-donald-trump-may-survive
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May 22, 2017 4:43pm
Chuck Bird

This is most interesting. We might see more politicians direct from Roy Morgan soon. I of course would put Winston up there along with Bill English. I think most would agree that Clark should not rate after her conduct in getting her “husband” out of LA on a diplomatic passport.

Who do Kiwis trust the most?

With 24.7 per cent of the vote Key was the most trusted politician, with Labour leader Helen Clark coming second on 15.3 per cent.

No current Labour leaders made the top three this year.

Third place went to NZ First Party leader Winston Peters with 8.4 per cent.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11860982
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May 22, 2017 4:58pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  8.4 % of nzers need their fucking head read.
  
  The demented, disturbed and diabolical vote green or mana, what the fuck is wrong with these others ??
  
  Trust Winston????? You’re shitting me.
  
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  May 22, 2017 9:37pm
stigie

The professor needed saving Chuck from the sordid stuff at LAX that got him into that predicament in the first place.
Good ole Hulun, she stood by her bloke if you could call him that !~
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May 22, 2017 5:23pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Standing by her bloke? She would have issued that diplomatic passport to the devil himself if it ‘saved’ her reputation.
  
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  May 22, 2017 5:30pm
  - dad4justice
    
    haha comment of the year krazykiwi, like that did you Klarkula you vile corrupt monster. I know Mike Moore will like it.
    
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    May 22, 2017 5:41pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      I know Mike Moore will like it
      
      Is Moore a mate of Richie as well?
      
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      May 22, 2017 6:18pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Oh Jason yet another demented fan club member have you found a job yet?
        
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        May 22, 2017 6:40pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Jason? Is that it? Is that wotcha got? It’s dark now; what are you doing here?
        
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        May 22, 2017 6:47pm
      - stigie
        
        13 demented fan club members now Dad, can you name them all..?
        
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        May 22, 2017 6:59pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        I see you logged in as Big Bruv on Saturday. How do you remember all the log-ins and passwords?
        
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        May 22, 2017 7:11pm
      - dad4justice
        
        All these” alternative identities” are beyond a joke.
        
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        May 22, 2017 7:14pm
      - mikenmild
        
        That’s just one of your split personalities talking, D4J…
        
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        May 22, 2017 7:19pm
      - stigie
        
        Yeah, that was me Nostra, just hope big bruv doesn’t take it too badly, would hate for him to have an unfortunate meltdown ole chap !~
        
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        May 22, 2017 7:19pm
      - dad4justice
        
        I just wonder how many “alternative identities” exist on this blog?
        
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        May 22, 2017 7:22pm
      - stigie
        
        All you cunts downticking Dad, it’s beyond a joke !~
        
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        May 22, 2017 7:34pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Hey Nostra if we ever have a kiwiblog get together I will shout the first round of every member of my fan club it will be a cheap round as I’ll only have to buy one drink. You are very quiet about the blatant “alternative identity ” crisis existing on this blog. Why is that?
        
        Edit stigfly I couldn’t give a flying fuck about downticks – only a pathetic cowardly no life loser would bother.
        
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        May 22, 2017 7:37pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

From 2008 (yes it doesn’t seem that long ago) here’s Always On My Mind by Tiki Taane:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3euc9pmst4M
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May 22, 2017 5:40pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Actually, tiki can just fuck right off.
  
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  May 22, 2017 6:19pm
  - nasska
    
    If only they’d stuck to Ten Guitars. 🙂
    
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    May 22, 2017 6:28pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      Surprised they didn’t nasska, given its homosexual overtones.
      
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      May 22, 2017 6:33pm
- Longknives
  
  I haven’t heard of Tiki Taane since he threatened to leave New Zealand in disgust at his arrest (Remember he was inciting his moronic fans to attack some Police dong a walk-through of his concert?)
  I assume the talentless idiot pissed off to LA or somewhere with all the other wannabe Gangstas?
  
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  May 22, 2017 6:55pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    And you’ll never hear of him again unless he gets arrested or otherwise again makes an arse of himself.
    
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    May 22, 2017 7:35pm
Viking2

A COST ESTIMATE, WITHOUT FULL DETAILS
In Australia, Westpac says it expects to take a NZ$280 mln profit hit as a result of their government’s bank levy. The bank said it was still considering how it would deal with the highly selective cost, noting that the after-tax cost was equal to 9 NZc a share in dividends, or 4.3% of its last full-year dividend of NZ$2/share. At this time, the five banks involved don’t know the exact nature of the tax proposed (because it has not yet passed parliament nor can the Aussie Treasury supply the actual details), but Westpac’s response is an early estimate based on politician statements, and part of its campaign to push back at the move. How it will impact its New Zealand operations is also opaque. No estimates have yet come from any other of the five banks targeted by the tax.

So the Aussie banks are a bit pissed. Look at the tax this way. The Banks have escaped paying GST so this makes up for all the non GST component of their turnover.
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May 22, 2017 6:11pm
Viking2

THE IRISH ARE NERVOUS
If you invest through an international exchange traded fund (ETF), the chances are it is based in Ireland. Over US$4 tln in value is. Now the Irish central bank is nervous and wanting to find out more about how wobbles in these derivative funds might affect them. They know about financial crises and want to be prepared this time. They are seeking clarifications on ownership and pricing processes, and clues on how to regulate the sector.

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/87843/review-things-you-need-know-you-go-home-monday-td-rate-changes-westpac-grumpy-sp

Perhaps we should be as well given all our opaque Trusts.
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May 22, 2017 6:12pm
- Jack5
  
  I think most New Zealanders who invest in exchange traded funds (ETFs) do it through the New Zealand (Stock) Exchange.
  
  Most ETFs track various exchanges’ market indices. Here’s a definition from Wikipedia:
  
  An ETF holds assets such as stocks, commodities, or bonds, and trades close to its net asset value over the course of the trading day. Most ETFs track an index, such as a stock index or bond index. ETFs may be attractive as investments because of their low costs, tax efficiency, and stock-like features.
  
  A sub-set of ETFs – leveraged ETFs – use derivatives for leverage, or sometimes to take positions that benefit in reverse to the underlying index’s movement.
  
  The second link below is to an Investopedia article on the world’s biggest ETFs, and they seem to be based in America rather than in Ireland.
  
  A good explanation of ETFs:
  
  http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/etf.asp
  
  The biggest ETFs:
  
  http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/071014/worlds-largest-etfs.asp
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:17pm
chiz

Didn’t take long for the haters to come out:

LOL What a bunch of retards.

You know, I have always admired David Lynch’s work, and I remember the original series and I remember why it was cancelled…mainly because it was boring and so bizarre that the audience couldn’t connect. Now we have left Bizarro World and entered a whole new realm of whacked out unrestrained insanity.

Its nice to see the old cast reassembled, but the nostalgia is overwhelmed by Lynch’s “creative” madness. Disjointed doesn’t even begin to describe this train wreck of discombobulated kookiness. Twenty seven years ago weird was in, and this garbage still got cancelled. I’m just upset I guess because its taking a time slot from something people actually want to watch.
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May 22, 2017 6:38pm
nasska

An Arabian family was considering putting their grandfather, Abdullah, In a nursing home.
All the Arabian facilities were completely full so they had to put him in an Italian home.

After a few weeks in the Italian facility, they came to visit Grandpa.
‘How do you like it here?’ asked the grandson.
‘It’s wonderful! Everyone here is so courteous and respectful,’ said Grandpa.
‘We’re so happy for you. We were worried that this was the wrong place for you. You know, since you are a little different from everyone.’

‘Oh, no! Let me tell you about how wonderfully they treat the residents,” Abdullah said with a big smile.
‘There’s a musician here– he’s 85 years old. He hasn’t played The violin in 20 years and everyone still calls him ‘Maestro’!
‘There is a judge in here — he’s 95 years old. He hasn’t been On the bench in 30 years and everyone still calls him ‘Your Honour’!
‘There’s a dentist here 90 years old. He hasn’t fixed a tooth For 25 years and everyone still calls him Doctor?!
‘And me — I haven’t had sex for 35 years… And they still call Me ‘The Fucking Muslim’.”
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May 22, 2017 7:51pm
- stephieboy
  
  nasska , the subtlety is lost on me . Can you assist ?
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:01pm
  - stigie
    
    Very sad Stiffyboy very sad !~
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:08pm
  - nasska
    
    Sadly, I think you are beyond any assistance I could offer stephieboy.
    
    Just concentrate on your allotment of 70 odd renewable virgins. 🙂
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:13pm
- RF
  
  Pure gold nasska.
  
  Thank you for making my evening.
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Can you assist ?

Careful nasska, we are all watching.
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May 22, 2017 8:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  Maggy Wassilieff,
  
  “And me — I haven’t had sex for 35 years… And they still call Me ‘The Fucking Muslim’.”
  
  Can you assist and explain the humour and who it might be at the expense of ?
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Can you assist and explain the humour and who it might be at the expense of ?
    
    The fucking homonym is the source of the humour.
    
    Who is the butt of the joke?
    depends how you want to interpret the joke….
    
    1.As a play on word meanings… there is no butt
    
    2.From the point-of -view of the grandson, it could appear that grandad is the butt of the joke… but
    
    3.grandad is happy… so the joke might be on the residents…
    
    Then again, too much analysis and I suspect you’ve lost the point of it all.
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:40pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Well, Stephie is Kiwiblogs most pointless and Dumbest Commentator!
      
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      May 22, 2017 8:44pm
nasska

I’ve noticed that your interactions with the rest of us here on KB get a bit lopsided on occasions stephieboy. It seems that you ask questions all the time but never give any answers.

So how about giving us the good oil on this renewable virgin racket? Do you get your choice between boys & girls? Have they all had their clits pruned? What happens if you get one that’s a bit whiffy? Can you give them a bath or does Allah offer a full replacement guarantee?

Enlighten us poor infidels! 🙂
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May 22, 2017 8:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  nasska, ZZZZZZZZZZ.zzzzz !
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:40pm
  - nasska
    
    Com’on stephieboy. You can do better than that. Play the game & give us some answers.
    
    Otherwise people might think you’re just a troll.
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:44pm
    - stephieboy
      
      nasska, you could begin by trying to explain what point you attempting to make ?
      
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      May 22, 2017 8:51pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Not sure Nasska is qualified to educate children with learning disabilities.
        
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        May 22, 2017 8:54pm
      - Reid
        
        I think he might be thinking of giving Islam a go stephie and he’s trying to do an ROI comparison between the goats and the virgins, both of which are apparently mandatory.
        
        I suspect he hasn’t enquired about goats because he’s already done some field research on that, ‘somewhere in Eketahuna.’
        
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        May 22, 2017 9:05pm
      - nasska
        
        All lies Reid! 🙂
        
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        May 22, 2017 9:07pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Last night I watched a Rick Stein programme on curry and learnt that in certain locales (subcontinent & Arabian peninsula) Mutton is goat!
        
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        May 22, 2017 9:14pm
Reid

Speaking of Muslims, in particular the variety beloved by Western sheeple, who are, admittedly, incapable of telling them apart from the good ones…

Note that in Saudi Arabia it would be normal for Trump to rope his wife and daughter together and pull them behind him like cattle going to the market. This is the way of Saudi Arabia, a way Trump fails to acknowledge, a casual brutality the media misses as well.

Americans who study Saudi Arabia note the lack of scientists, doctors or renowned engineers worldwide that originate from the Kingdom of the Sons of Saud and the other kingdoms of the Bedouins. In spite of their great wealth and the universities, institutes and research centers equipped with the latest technologies that they own, their lives remain backward. They hold to a pattern of sexual obsession and moral decay, one of pornography, buggery and abuse.

If the West knew the ways of the Bedouin princes, their habits, their bizarre practices and lust for animals, their obsession with the phallus and related physical functions.

In the Middle East, it has long been believed that the Saudi Bedouins obsession with drugs, devices and practices designed to stimulate erections has led to their failure to develop a normal society. One belief is that blood heading to a penis can’t carry oxygen to brain cells.

Bedouin society has never come to grips with the reproductive process as it applies to more advanced cultures, where the physical act of love tied to relationships, marriage as it were, the creation of children, exists within the teachings of the Prophet, blessed be his name. To our Saudi brothers, their reproductive drives have led to a society where obsessive masturbation, trading in pornography and talking about it as though it were a cricket match is consider “high culture.”

This is why Saudi Arabia is a natural home to Trump, women as chattel, no self control and a brain obsessed with diddling his life away with the world burns.

Praise be to you, the bastards and devout Zionists of the sons of Saud and those who participated in the summit of humiliation with the brutal Trump of the heads and kings and princes of the Arab and Islamic countries and congratulations to the sons of Saud from the king and princes of the hours that you see them with the wife of Trump and his daughter Iganka and you reached the stage of sexual irritation and mood, but it cost you And your kingdom has exceeded the 500 billion dollars in addition to what you will pay according to the law of Justa, who could not Trump and his wife and her saved legs Almashoktin not Ivanka and her husband Gerard Kouchner Zionist cancellation and will pay 2.3 trillion dollars in compensation for the victims of 11 September and will return soon to Herding camels and drinking urine for the treatment of Gbaikm ….. and ignorance deserves.

How appropriate.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/21/trumps-bedouin-cuckold/

So go ahead stephie. Defend the poor widdle Saudi goat fuckers.

Just like the entire Western MSM does.
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May 22, 2017 8:33pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , and a treatment of the other side of the Muslim divide ,Iran and Shia ?
  
  https://www.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303657404576357323069853958
  
  Go for it .
  
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  May 22, 2017 8:36pm
  - Reid
    
    I always find it amusing stephie how I call people sheeple and idiots and call Jewish leaders out for being the murderous thugs they truly in fact actually are and say all sorts of other things specifically designed to discomfort people because the truths I offer happen to be important as well as relevant, while shocking if you happen to be a complacent sheeple. And yet you always attract far far far far more downticks than I do, just by being yourself.
    
    And you can tell that because people always heavily mark you down, no matter what subject you’re discussing. All. The. Time.
    
    Isn’t that funny.
    
    I just laugh, and laugh, and laugh.
    
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    May 22, 2017 8:57pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , shall we have you give a rerun of some of the more stupid conspiracy theories you beleive in such as the raving dumb Pizzagate ?
      
      Enter yet another, Seth Rich .
      
      Go for it !
      
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      May 22, 2017 10:00pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t_KDGqOmE
    
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    May 22, 2017 9:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/puns-homophonesandhomonyms-131101154411-phpapp01/95/puns-homophones-and-homonyms-6-638.jpg?cb=1383320755
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May 22, 2017 9:32pm
Manolo

The architect of his party’s demise, alongside crooked Hillary:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/22/john-podesta-unloads-on-trump-215173
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