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DifferentPerspective

Harvard research proves the MSM are the Opposition

Oh dear those inconvenient facts – research at respected Harvard Kennedy School – shows what dishonest, lying, cheating whores the US MSM have been about Trump’s presidency. Negative 98% of the time – hmm that sounds balanced doesn’t it. Bearing in mind half the population (well over half, when the illegals, dead and repeat voters get taken out) voted for Trump – the MSM seem to be well out of step with the country.

Kind of like what an opposition movement (and not a free-thinking, open and balanced media) would do.

But then the libtards here can ignore all of this – because “feelings” eh?
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May 20, 2017 8:05am
- mikenmild
  
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  When the White House is occupied by an incompetent, ignorant narcissist, it would be difficult for any media to come up with positive things to say.
  Luckily, the professionals in the government are finding ways to cope:
  
  National Security Council officials have strategically included Trump’s name in “as many paragraphs as we can because he keeps reading if he’s mentioned,” according to one source, who relayed conversations he had with NSC officials.
  
  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-trip-idUSKCN18D0C7
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:11am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘according to one source’…
    Who?
    In other news ‘according to one source’ Mikeys sex life comprises solely of a rubber bottom and some baby oil!
    
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    May 20, 2017 8:13am
    - mikenmild
      
      Does it really matter?
      
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      May 20, 2017 8:14am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Don’t you mean “At this point, what difference does it make?”
        
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        May 20, 2017 11:55am
    - mikenmild
      
      Can you explain what this ‘rubber bottom’ thing that you and starboard use is all about?
      
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      May 20, 2017 8:17am
      - starboard
        
        no..you explain ya deviant.
        
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        May 20, 2017 8:41am
    - stephieboy
      
      Finished your crash bricklaying course before bound for the US Mexican border with trowl in hand ?
      
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      May 20, 2017 9:11am
      - lilman
        
        Save bricks just drone the infidels!!!!!!!!!!
        
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        May 20, 2017 9:32am
  - Liberty
    
    “When the White House is occupied by an incompetent, ignorant narcissist”
    For once you are right.
    Trump has peeved of the old boy network.
    It is only a matter of time before Trump is history.
    
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    May 20, 2017 8:56am
    - Nermal
      
      At first I thought he was referring to Obama.
      
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      May 20, 2017 10:16am
      - Liberty
        
        Do keep up. Obama is long gone.
        
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        May 20, 2017 10:51am
  - KevOB
    
    The USA media are opposition to the point of probable sedition. They interfered in the election too. There was good reason historically for removing palace hangers-on who didn’t like the new ruler. Their doubtful loyalty signaled them as potential enemies or in league with them.
    The separation and peace between Monarch and Parliament was hard fought. Opposition was formalised and future civil wars averted.
    What are unelected media doing? They have no rights beyond citizens. Their right to report has boundaries conditioned by law. They have subverted any previous informal positions. Off with their heads before we see fighting in the streets.
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:46am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    So “feelings” then 🙂
    
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    May 20, 2017 11:56am
  - Fletch
    
    When the White House is occupied by an incompetent, ignorant narcissist
    
    You’re describing Obama perfectly. The only difference was that the press approved of his agenda, so they pampered and mollycoddled him, changed his nappies, sung him to sleep at night and never said a harsh word about him. ‘There, there, baby Barry. Daddy’s looking out for you, it’ll be OK’.
    
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    May 20, 2017 12:01pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Negative 98% of the time
  
  A year ago not a single member of the White House press corps was a registered Republican.
  
  The number of US journalists who identify as Republican in the lowest in 50 years.
  
  The 98% it’s not at all surprising. Were Trump a little angel it would probably not drop beyond 90%. Such is the stridently partisan nature of US politics.
  
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  May 20, 2017 9:28am
  - mikenmild
    
    A reflection on the GOP’s growing separation from reality?
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:50am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Lol – you mean the party that won 2600+ of the
      3100 counties contested in the election?
      
      And you call that out of touch?
      
      I would have thought the out of touch party was the one that put up a crazed, eye-rolling fascist who decided the best way to win was to lie about everything and insult half the population – all the while supported by an insane group of sexists who ganged up on anyone of the opposite sex and lied like a bunch crack whores.
      
      That would be the out of touch party – but then goodness me, I believe you think Mr ‘can’t win at Solitaire’ Little is the man to lead the country!
      
      To the rational mind – I guess it’s pretty clear who really is out of touch.
      
      But, I know ‘feelings’!
      
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      May 21, 2017 4:26pm
- jonar
  
  Where exactly are the words “dishonest, lying, cheating” in that report? What is says is that the media is focusing on the negative (which they have done for all presidents apparently). It states they have been more negative for Trump but it also says this.
  
  If a mud fight with Trump will not serve the media’s interests, neither will a soft peddling of his coverage. Never in the nation’s history has the country had a president with so little fidelity to the facts, so little appreciation for the dignity of the presidential office, and so little understanding of the underpinnings of democracy. The media’s credibility today is at low ebb, but the Trump presidency is not the time for the press to pull back. The news media gave Trump a boost when he entered presidential politics. But a head-on collision at some point was inevitable. It’s happened, it isn’t pretty, and it isn’t over.
  
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  May 20, 2017 4:10pm
mikenmild

Something for D4J to reflect on while he uses the shoe gauge on some fat, sweaty feet today; it’s World Metrology Day:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Metrology_Day
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May 20, 2017 8:05am
- All_on_Red
  
  More like it’s something for the Climate Alarmists to reflect on next time they hear ‘The Worlds Hottest Year’ and it’s only by .17C
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:21am
- dad4justice
  
  You are a truly pathetic individual mm. I pray you get better one day.
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:39am
  - mikenmild
    
    I’m also keen to find a cure; but I’m placing faith in the scientific method rather than chanting incantations at an imaginary deity.
    
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    May 20, 2017 8:44am
- Keeping Stock
  
  What’s with the obsession towards D4J mikenmild? Are you trying to provoke a response?
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:51am
  - starboard
    
    Its just mm’s way of trying to make friends..obviously it doesn’t work and he ends up playing by/with himself.
    
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    May 20, 2017 8:58am
  - stephieboy
    
    I suppose it is because mm finds clowns are rather amusing ?
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:16am
    - starboard
      
      stupid boy..your thoughts on the convicted kiddy fiddler and sexual deviant Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari. I believe he is muslim.
      
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      May 20, 2017 9:50am
      - starboard
        
        stupid boy…hello ?
        
        *tumbleweeds*…
        
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        May 20, 2017 10:28am
  - big bruv
    
    Yeah, not sure why you guys always have a crack at my old mate D4J.
    He’s just misunderstood, thats all.
    
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    May 20, 2017 12:20pm
pdm

Off to school boy rugby at Ashurst via the Saddle Road and then on for a sojourn at exotic Makuri until Monday.
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May 20, 2017 8:08am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Ashhurst.
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:46am
  - pdm
    
    Thanks Capt.
    
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    May 20, 2017 6:42pm
- Flash
  
  Working in the lime pit? I got 5 truckloads last week –
  
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  May 20, 2017 10:13am
All_on_Red

James Comey testifying on May 3 confirms no one has asked him to stop a FBI investigation…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd-BfTMPeFE
If someone had and he’d failed to take action then Comey himself would have committed a Criminal offence.
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May 20, 2017 8:12am
- MCos
  
  It’ll all come out in the wash.
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:17am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Apparently- according to ‘one source’ and ‘former officials in contact with unnamed sources’.
    ?
    
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    May 20, 2017 8:26am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , your prime source ? Infowars , Jihad watch etc
      LOL
      
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      May 20, 2017 9:18am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stalker
        
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        May 20, 2017 9:35am
    - VicParking
      
      I read on CNN that it was written on the back of a door in a uni-sex toilet in a Fox newsroom.
      Must be true
      
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      May 20, 2017 11:26am
- virtualmark
  
  James Comey testifying on May 30 will no doubt be asked more about that exact topic.
  
  And no doubt will be asked for his notes of his February dinner meeting with Trump.
  
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  May 20, 2017 11:25am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Probably but he’s not going to contradict evidence he has already given under oath is he.
    Especially if there was obstruction and he did nothing about it- cause then he’s going to jail.
    But hey you snowflakes can cling to it if you like.
    Mueller might be interested in his notes though- on Hillary Clinton’s emails and server, the Podesta brothers cash and shares from Russia, Susan Rice unmasking of Americans, who leaked it about Flynn etc
    
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    May 20, 2017 11:47am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Wed , Trump is now claiming Comey is a nut job .
      
      Was a sychophant like you and and the President claiming this prior to November 8th 2016 ?
      
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      May 20, 2017 12:29pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        What’s the point of the ‘Wed’?
        We all know what Creepyboy, Stupidboy, Pornoboy and KBs Dumbest Commentator refers to about you but ‘Wed’?
        Wuwt
        
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        May 20, 2017 1:12pm
    - Paulus
      
      Assume Mueller’s terms of reference do not include the Clinton Mafia.
      
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      May 20, 2017 1:02pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        What terms of reference?
        
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        May 20, 2017 1:13pm
      - RF
        
        I heard that they will take a shotgun approach with anything being fair game.
        
        The left might just regret that they pushed for the investigation.
        
        What ever is discovered it will be very interesting plus there will be some casualties.
        
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        May 20, 2017 7:08pm
peterwn

See the commissioner of a high school has announced the appointment of a new principal. School was in such disarray that a commissioner had to be appointed (meaning the Board was sidelined) and the commissioner considered the way forward was to sack the principal. Former principal went to ERA was awarded $150k for wrongful dismissal but failed to be reinstated because of poor working relationships with senior staff. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So with one breath ERA was saying the person was competent and in the next breath saying the person was incompetent. Or was the person OK but merely needed help and support – from whom? – the Board, the Ministry??????
Hope the Government does pass legislation that allows employers and employees to opt out of employment law if the employee earns $150k or more and the Education Minister insists on such an opt out for principals earning $150k or more and not succumb to PPTA bleating.
Will help get rid of incompetent principals who damage their schools and kids’ prospects.
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May 20, 2017 8:15am
- mikenmild
  
  The board is obviously incompetent if it cannot fairly sack an incompetent principal.
  But do you think there are any other areas of law that you feel should not apply to higher earning staff?
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:19am
  - Inandout
    
    Boards are like committees, often comprising self seeking loud mouths who ‘steer’ any decisions, and the meek follow suit. If this principal wore a bone carving, then the board would have run a mile rather than take any proper action.
    
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    May 20, 2017 8:41am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’ve sacked a principal. The [very competent!] board and I spent 8 months on performance management work, which did nothing other than harden the principal’s resolve to tough it out.
    
    The person concerned was routinely breaching operational policy (that they’d help design, and to pass board resolutions on), and they refused to alter practices that were contributing to a toxic work environment for staff.
    
    None of this worked. In the end we simply dismissed the principal and made provision to pay up.
    
    It should not have been that difficult. There was too much damage done to the staff team, the students and the school community.
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:36am
- MCos
  
  Not knowing any more than what is written here it would seem that the original dismissal was not carried out following some sort of pre-agreed procedure.
  I sometimes wonder in cases such as this when it’s clear the wrong person is promoted to a position beyond their ability. Do the people that put this person in this position take any responsibility for their poor decision?
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:32am
- holysheet
  
  Its always the easiest option to pay them the money to make the problem go away. Especially when its not any of your own.
  It’s alright, the taxpayer has plenty of money.
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:53am
  - stephieboy
    
    holyturd , personally feeling a big hole in your income ?
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:23am
    - holysheet
      
      At least I am a taxpayer, unlike the bludging little shit you are.
      
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      May 20, 2017 9:41am
      - VicParking
        
        Run out of coffee holy.
        You can’t make racist comments like that even if he is a camel f**king idiot with three nine year old wifes and sleeps with a goat
        
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        May 20, 2017 11:30am
      - holysheet
        
        Sorry old chap, but whats racist about what I said?
        Should I prepare for a visit from dame deviod?
        
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        May 20, 2017 1:49pm
  - peterwn
    
    This was probably the most expedient option for the commissioner. The commissioner’s options were:
    1. progressively nailing the principal to the wall until the principal resigned or had a nervous breakdown (and face a constructive dismissal claim). Meanwhile the school remains dysfunctional and the kids suffer.
    2. fire the principal immediately with the best reasoning that can be mustered in the circumstances and as a fallback budget for an award for wrongful dismissal and associated legal costs. This is a more economic solution in many cases as damage to the school community is contained as quickly as possible. The potential award can be found fairly readily from the budget of a large secondary school but can be burdensome for a smaller school. Presumably commissioners faced with having to fire a principal seek guidance from the Ministry.
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:55am
- Disaster Area
  
  Would this not be a case of the correct decision (to sack the Principal) being carried out in an incorrect manner?
  
  Principals are more likely to belong to the NZPF than the PPTA, but I can’t see a reason for making the rules different for them based on their salary.
  The mechanisms for sacking teachers and principals already exist, they just have to be done properly.
  
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  May 20, 2017 9:27am
  - peterwn
    
    An employer is not infrequently faced with a situation where an employee is a liability and needs to be got rid of ASAP but a formal case to ERA’s satisfaction cannot be made out.
    I have no sympathy for bosses who say ‘you are fired’ or ‘don’t bother coming in tomorrow’ at the heat of the moment, but employers who fall over backwards to do it the right way still run foul of ERA.
    I consider there is every justification for different ‘rules’ for employees with 6 figure salaries. If they think they are not up to it they need not apply, if they find the job is not working out, they should resign. If they do not have the judgment to appreciate this, they are incompetent and should go.
    
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    May 20, 2017 10:04am
    - Happychappy
      
      But what do you say about people like Peggy Burrows that fought and won to have her name cleared. So her name and career were wrecked through Boardroom incompendance and all she had achieved over the years as Principle of several High Schools.
      
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      May 20, 2017 10:56am
      - peterwn
        
        She made a bad choice fighting to the end. If things were starting to turn to custard she should have got out quick. She arguably wrecked her own career by fighting the Board then the Commissioner tooth and nail. Seemed the Commissioner had issues to address quite apart from a dud Board.
        There was another case many, many years ago (both persons are deceased). A Principal caught a teacher eavesdropping on a Board meeting and consequently lost confidence in the teacher and suggested the teacher should resign. There was insufficient ’cause’ for a formal dismissal. However the teacher dug his toes in, by the time the Principal (who was extremely highly regarded) had finished with him, he ended up in a mental hospital for a year or so but returned to teaching in a different school.
        
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        May 20, 2017 2:17pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Peterwn:
        But didn’t the decision go also agains’t the Commissioner as they did not do their job they way it is expected.
        
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        May 20, 2017 6:43pm
    - Viking2
      
      Add to that that once the Boards confidence in that person is gone then they should resign. BUT, hangout and get a payout is the plan.
      
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      May 20, 2017 9:48pm
Swifty

Father banned from watching his daughter play netball in Auckland – because it is ‘important for the girls to have a secure environment.’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11859265

I don’t care what people say about the appropriateness of this, nor that it is ‘not hurting anybody’ – I will never believe that this is right.

It also grinds my gears that with respect to the ‘strict parents’ mentioned that such people emigrate here happy to accept all the freedoms and prosperity we have developed and then impose their backward structures on their own children.

Oh, and as a final thought – whenever we see fathers, uncles or brothers killing women or girls, such as we’ve seen in Europe, the UK and the US etc, because of ‘dishonourable behaviour’ – they have come from families like these. Of that I am convinced.
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May 20, 2017 8:17am
- cmm
  
  If there was a Christian-only netball tournament there’s be screeching from Devoy.
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:29am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Unlikely cmm, given that Devoy’s role is RACE relations, not interfaith relations. A better analogy would be a whites-only tournament.
    
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    May 20, 2017 8:41am
    - cmm
      
      Nope. Devoy does not restrict herself to race.
      
      Devoy weighed in on the Scarlett-the-stripper issue. Stripper is not a race.
      
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      May 20, 2017 8:47am
      - stephieboy
        
        Bet you both wern’t saying that when she was first appointed ?
        
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        May 20, 2017 12:31pm
    - holysheet
      
      Yeh but does she now the difference?
      
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      May 20, 2017 8:50am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      But, but, but!
      Does not the narrative state that it is RACIST to criticize Islam?
      
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      May 20, 2017 9:55am
    - VicParking
      
      has not stopped her in the past.
      
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      May 20, 2017 11:33am
  - Happychappy
    
    Don’t Catholic sporting organisations like Marist have Tournaments at Easter and I am pretty sure Netball hold theirs in Taupo every year.
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:37am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Maybe they do, and I’m sure both parents are permitted to watch their daughters play.
      
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      May 20, 2017 9:45am
    - kowtow
      
      Do they ban parents?
      
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      May 20, 2017 9:55am
    - Nukuleka
      
      And your point is? All sorts of organisations hold sports tournaments- Maori, Samoan, Tongans, Catholics, Mormons, Youth clubs, etc etc- and do any of them ban other races, other denominations, other genders and so on from watching? The big answer is no.
      
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      May 20, 2017 10:46am
  - Kimbo
    
    If there was a Christian-only netball tournament there’s be screeching from Devoy
    
    Nope. There are religious sports tournaments all the time. Queens Birthday, and Labour weekend are often the times, and they fit in with Christian camps and other events.
    
    The Roman Catholic Spillane tournament each Easter between the country’s various Marist rugby clubs is the most well-known, I’d suggest.
    
    http://www.maristrugby.org.nz/Spillane-2014.html
    
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    May 20, 2017 11:01am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  I particularly enjoyed the comment where each team is allowed one non-muslim to play, no doubt in order to promote the virtues of Islam – the religion of peace. I am looking forward to a transgender person being that non-muslim….can you imagine the outrage when that person is banned from attending….. the good old LGBTQITYHDHDODH community is good at outrage and when up against the immigrant Muslim community it will cause significant sucking or air through teeth and slurping of chardonnay in karori… .
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:32am
- Chuck Bird
  
  The father has a simple solution. find another religion or no religion and adopt the Kiwi culture.
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:37am
- artemisia
  
  At least they are playing on their own premises and not requiring the rest of us to pay for their segregation.
  
  Now, let’s see them pay for their own segregated swimming pools and high back yard walls so the muslim women can sunbathe unobserved. They need the vitamin D you know since they are not allowed out uncovered.
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:38am
  - starboard
    
    We have segregation already in our own back yard.
    ‘Our people’
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:53am
- wiseowl
  
  This should not be happening in New Zealand.
  It is only going to get worse unless our politicians stop this rot.
  FIorFO
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:40am
- nasska
  
  ….”whenever we see fathers, uncles or brothers killing women or girls”…..
  
  Good comment Swifty. It’s worth noting that it is because of headcase patriarchs such as these that schoolgirls are able to have abortions without their parents being advised.
  
  It causes all kinds of butt hurt amongst traditionalists but without such discretion available to health services the lives of these girls is seriously at risk.
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:40am
  - Swifty
    
    Yes, good point nasska.
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:44am
  - GoVege
    
    And not just medieval Muslims, nasska.
    A fair few Christian schoolgirls live in fear of a fatal bashing from their bible-bashing dads.
    I attended a wedding a year or so ago at one of these P I churches and was horrified at the crap issuing from the minister’s mouth about Eve being a rib and having to obey Adam and such.
    No doubt brainwashing the blushing bride for her subservient life here in 21st century NZ.
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:02pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  At least the Herald carried the story, to put the issue out into the public arena. This publicity above the girls-only netball tournament that has been running for the last 15 seasons is a good thing if it makes people think.
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:46am
- Swifty
  
  Oh, and for years the school concerned has been poorly led and managed, has failed to meet their legal obligations, has been a bad employer, and has failed to ensure curriculum compliance (code for you know what).
  
  http://www.ero.govt.nz/review-reports/zayed-college-for-girls-30-10-2015/
  
  http://www.ero.govt.nz/review-reports/zayed-college-for-girls-29-05-2013/
  
  Although they have started to make ‘some progress’ in recent years thanks to major tax-payer funded assistance.
  
  Goodness knows what education the girls are receiving at this school. I feel sick at the thought of the lies they are being told.
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:47am
  - Southern Raider
    
    They only need to know sharia law. The rest of the curriculum is not important as the girls will be married off straight after school and then forced to stay at home
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:19am
  - stephieboy
    
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    The conclusions of the ERO,
    
    Zayed College for Girls has made very good progress since 2013. Targeted support from the Ministry of Education has assisted the board and senior leaders to improve governance and leadership practices. Teaching and learning practices and the school’s curriculum design is increasingly fostering students’ academic performance and wellbeing.
    ERO is likely to carry out the next review in three years.
    Graham Randell
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    End of story . Move on with more of your limp and lame whining posts
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:26am
    - Swifty
      
      I do not regard the poor teaching of NZ kids nor the segregation of girls from the rest of NZ society to be limp or lame subjects.
      
      And I will continue to raise them.
      
      If you find that discomforting, you’ll just have to deal with it, won’t you?
      
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      May 20, 2017 9:42am
      - stephieboy
        
        Swify , I take though your approve of single sex girls and religious schools like St Cuthbert’s and Baradene ?
        
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        May 20, 2017 12:24pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      It’s actually amazing that in this day and age in an “enlightened” country like New Zealand we are even having a conversation about men being able to watch their daughters play netball.
      Frankly this how primitive and stone age this nonsense is and I will go out on a limb and say that the vast majority of NZer’s think it has no place in this country whatsoever.
      
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      May 20, 2017 9:58am
      - cmm
        
        There is a clear reason they don’t allow them there.
        
        They know Muslim men better than we do.
        
        Since taharosh and other perviness seems to be both commonplace and accepted, it probably makes sense to exclude the men.
        
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        May 20, 2017 10:20am
- Inandout
  
  Who, other than a Muslim retard, would want to watch this fiasco anyway?
  
  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a2/34/a1/a234a1d157bf346fcb5834a906d600b8.jpg
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:59am
- fernglas
  
  If the father doesn’t like it, he is perfectly entitled to enrol his daughter in a secular school.
  
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  May 20, 2017 9:32am
  - Swifty
    
    It’s not clear to me that he has his daughter(s) at this school. He may have netball-playing daughter(s) at another school but are participating at this tournament.
    
    The story seems unclear on this, from my reading.
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:48am
    - stephieboy
      
      Swifty , who cares !
      
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      May 20, 2017 12:25pm
- Huevon
  
  Another example of the good ol’ Muslim magic. Incredible book, the Koran. Cite the right incantations and suddenly the law no longer applies to you, government officials are transformed blind, and politicians’ hands get tied. Amazing!
  
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  May 20, 2017 9:51am
  - stephieboy
    
    Huevon , ZZZZZZZZZzzzz .. Yawn ..
    
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    May 20, 2017 12:33pm
    - pentwig
      
      you are so boring and predictable steffie
      
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      May 20, 2017 1:09pm
      - Swifty
        
        He has really shown himself up in this thread today.
        
        Not a single decent contribution whatsoever – just braying and jeering from the sidelines.
        
        Just risible. I now understand why everyone mocks him so.
        
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        May 20, 2017 2:11pm
- howitis
  
  I note that the Herald does report in this article that there is such a thing as ‘muslim women’s night’ at the Cameron Pool in Mt Roskill in Keith Hay park even though the embarrassed YMCA (Young Men’s Christian Association) who runs it for Auckland council rushed in and sanitised it from ‘Muslim Women’ to ‘Women’s Classes’.
  I have saved a pdf of each version.
  
  But the Herald blows the lid with this:-
  …Earlier this year, a WaterSafe Auckland initiative at YMCA’s Cameron Pool and Leisure Centre in Mt Roskill had the pools partially closed one night a week to give Muslim women the opportunity to learn to swim….
  
  This is in the body of the article Swifty links to.
  
  Herald should get, like, a media award or something for this!
  And Council and YMCA should get an award for obfuscation. I’m not saying they were lying or anything….
  
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  May 20, 2017 12:27pm
- Manolo
  
  Primitives will always be primitives.
  
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  May 20, 2017 2:03pm
Kea

The number of airstrikes Obama launched (against people extremist Jews hate) in his first term holding his Nobel Peace Prize: 20,000

Note that is strikes, not bombs. Through out the Obama regime he dropped an average of 76 bombs a day, all on people zionist Jews hate.

The sick thing is, as a reader of Israeli news, I can tell you Obama was seen as not dropping enough bombs, particularly on Syria !!! The Israelis have been crying out for the destruction of the Syrians for years, as a prelude to the genocide of the Persians. Which has long been their ultimate goal and constantly demand the USA attack.

Interesting how this is openly discussed in Israel but is never mentioned in other news. Apparently genocide and world war 3 is not news.
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May 20, 2017 8:18am
- Nukuleka
  
  I always feel a might queasy when I read posts using phrases such as ‘Zionist Jews’. Feel free to use the phrase, Kea, it’s your right, but just like the woman who wears her jammies to go shopping at the dairy expect to be judged.
  
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  May 20, 2017 10:52am
  - SGA
    
    I always feel a might queasy when I read posts using phrases such as ‘Zionist Jews’.
    
    Why exactly? Genuine question.
    
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    May 20, 2017 1:20pm
  - Kea
    
    “I always feel a might queasy when I read posts using phrases such as ‘Zionist Jews’”
    
    I only use the phrase “Zionist” to recognise that all Jews are not the same. In fact, many are good people and do not condone the wars and violence.
    
    The zionist movement is a real thing and is not a derogatory term. Zionist are proud to be Zionists.
    
    So the only available conclusion is you feel “queasy” if people hold Jews to account in the same way as other people. Possibly a view held due to underlying beliefs in religious fictions ?
    
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    May 20, 2017 4:31pm
- Kea
  
  Wow 5 people oppose religious persecution, war and genocide. My faith in human nature is restored 🙂
  
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  May 20, 2017 4:33pm
oldpark

Wonder will the South African official,sometimes called a” referee”, get cited for the farcial decisions, in favour of the South African team “Stormers” against Auckland Blues. With such bias,it makes one wonder why its called “Super” Rugby tournament,more like “Stupid”.
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May 20, 2017 8:21am
Kea

Wanna illegally bomb another country ?
Commit genocide ?
Commit war crimes ?
Murder civilians ?

No worries if you pick the right religion. You can even boast about it openly in the news.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-to-strike-syria-for-second-time-in-24-hours-amid-threats-from-damascus/
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May 20, 2017 8:24am
- stephieboy
  
  Kea , happy with President Trump’s renewing a close engagement with Israel ?
  
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  May 20, 2017 9:29am
  - Manolo
    
    Yes!
    
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    May 20, 2017 2:20pm
  - Kea
    
    Answered below, but YES.
    
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    May 20, 2017 4:39pm
Manolo

The pervert is kicked out:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/05/19/huma-abedin-anthony-weiner-divorce/
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May 20, 2017 8:40am
- Inandout
  
  Was Huma a stock standard bit of crumpet I wonder, considering she was VERY close to Hillary?
  
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  May 20, 2017 9:05am
  - Reid
    
    She was a Mossad agent, she started in the same intern intake as Lewinsky, one for him, one for her.
    
    She has Muslim Brotherhood connections in her family (mother and uncles). Obama was MB.
    
    She had to stay close to Weiner until things became clarified legally because of the rule a spouse cannot be forced to give evidence against the other. Evidently things on that front have now become clear so divorce it is.
    
    Interesting isn’t it that Weiner was a beard with almost the precise same attributes that Bill had. Wonder who suggested to Huma that she select him as a partner.
    
    Weiner’s laptop was a backup of Killary’s emails she was going to use to write her memoirs. Things went south when the NYPD seized it due to Weiner’s “tendencies.”
    
    The NYPD still has copies of it which they have threatened to make public if the FBI doesn’t do its job and prosecute Clinton for paedophilia, murder and all the other crimes that are on it.
    
    Now that Comey’s gone what’s going to happen.
    
    Watch this space.
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:19am
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , sources for more of your stupid and unsubstantiated claims
      
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      May 20, 2017 9:32am
    - SGA
      
      Interesting isn’t it that Weiner was a beard with almost the precise same attributes that Bill had. Wonder who suggested to Huma that she select him as a partner.
      
      Gosh, how can one possibly argue with that level of forensic analysis?
      
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      May 20, 2017 9:51am
      - Kimbo
        
        Gosh, how can one possibly argue with that level of forensic analysis?
        
        And a good example why, when an adverb is used in sarcasm, it is neither unnecessary nor excessive.
        
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        May 20, 2017 11:09am
    - cmm
      
      She was Mossad AND Muslim Brotherhood???
      
      I doesn’t stop there. She also did a side-gig for the Lizard People.
      
      Voice analysis software proves she also sang backup on Michael Jackson music videos.
      
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      May 20, 2017 10:28am
      - Reid
        
        You don’t know much do you cmm.
        
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        May 20, 2017 3:26pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , suggest you move out of your glass house.
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:30am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , any substance to your Lesbian claims or more some kind of perverse fantasy of yours ?
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:52am
    - Inandout
      
      Ah stupidboy, you can sometimes actually connect dots. Normally though, I bet when you do jigsaw puzzles you try and force pieces in because you frustratingly can’t find the correct one.
      
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      May 20, 2017 10:04am
      - holysheet
        
        Make you wonder what he does in a “sexual emergency” if he cannot do a simple jigsaw.
        
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        May 20, 2017 10:31am
Nostradamus

Kiwi women targeted by religious group hunting brides for convicted rapist

New Zealand women are being targeted by a religious movement hunting spiritual brides for a convicted serial rapist. South Korean organisation Jesus Morning Star is recruiting young women in universities, shopping centres and churches here – often by promising them lucrative modelling contracts. But the group, which uses multiple aliases, ultimately wants members to be “purified” by having sex with their leader Jung Myung-seok.

The article explains that Jung is currently serving a 10-year prison sentence in Seoul for raping and molesting his followers. I can’t understand how a person in prison can seemingly control a bunch of “followers” half a world away. Cults work in mysterious ways, clearly.
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May 20, 2017 8:44am
- Inandout
  
  Jung must have been reading biographies of Mohammed, who reputedly ‘purified’ 9 year old girls.
  
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  May 20, 2017 9:09am
  - SGA
    
    No, apparently it’s some sort of Christian sect.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Providence_(religious_movement)
    It happens – there’s Neville Cooper (i.e., Gloriavale) here in NZ, of course. Bert Potter’s a more secular version.
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:29am
    - Kimbo
      
      I think this is the group that comes knocking on our door occasionally. In pairs, often at least one of them a Polynesian (like other parasite cults such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses who claim to be the only true organisation of God, they target especially the loose members of existing flocks who have just enough knowledge to be dangerous and lured away)
      
      ..and try to get in the door with the “we are students doing a survey. Would you like to help us by participating?” line. Once in the door, the “questions” turn out to be the pitch, like in a push-poll. Needless to say, Kimbo likes to let ’em in, but as, like all cultists they are trained in a regimented manner with a premeditated script that allows them totake charge of the conversation, and Kimbo knows that, and attempts to sabotage it, and steer the leading questions. spurious assumptions and false claims in another direction
      
      …without fail they leave after about 10 minutes! Don’t know why Nukuleka complains about the Jehovah’s Witnesses knocking on his door on Saturday mornings – send ’em round to my place – oh, no, that;s right. They’ve blacklisted me 😉
      
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      May 20, 2017 11:17am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Cults take many forms. We had a couple of young women from Forest and Bird door knocking trying to tell us that the Maui dolphin is being wiped out by fishing and would we donate please.
        
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        May 20, 2017 3:26pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  There are some weird “Christian” cults in the ROK. (A popular perennial on the Japanese morning chat shows that housewives watch after they get their 1.65 children off to elementary school.)
  
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  May 20, 2017 9:57am
  - SGA
    
    Although as far as weird cults go, none as weird as Tokyo sarin-attacking Aum Shinrikyo?
    
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    May 20, 2017 10:06am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Yes. Aum Shinrikyo is about as bad as they get. (But it was a non-Chiristian cult, if that’s any consolation…)
      
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      May 20, 2017 2:49pm
      - SGA
        
        I know that – that’s why I omitted that adjective. I’m non-religious so it doesn’t matter to me one way of the other.
        
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        May 20, 2017 3:06pm
starboard

**Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari must go**

Pack ya tea towels and Foxtrot Oscar

Woodhouse ??
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May 20, 2017 8:45am
- calendar girl
  
  Woodhouse continues to drag down National’s vote at the General Election. The protection against deportation granted to pedophile foreigner Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari is his responsibility.
  
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  May 20, 2017 11:57am
  - Kimbo
    
    Just because you and starboard willfully (justified adverb!) say it again and again, does not make it so. As Alfred Ngaro found out recently, Ministers are not allowed to intervene in operational matters. If Woodhouse tried, he would not only fail, due to the inevitable resulting court action, but also make the removal of Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari at a later date much harder.
    
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    May 20, 2017 12:08pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Our government makes the law, so the solution is simple: Change the law and send him packing.
      
      If our elected representatives can pass laws improving their own superannuation in minutes, then this animal should be ready for deportation next week.
      
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      May 20, 2017 12:17pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Nope.
        
        No matter how great the temptation, responsible nations that abide by the rule of law do not legislate for one-off events that contradict established policy, and they especially do not resort to a modern version of an Act of Attainder.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_attainder
        
        Plus, even if they did…for those reasons, the courts would strike it down on appeal. Thus making the removal of Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari at a later date much harder.
        
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        May 20, 2017 12:36pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        responsible nations that abide by the rule of law do not legislate for one-off events that contradict established policy
        
        I think responsible nations look at real-life situations which fall outside existing laws, when they should reasonably be covered, and to on to make changes to protect its citizens.
        
        Any law change here wouldn’t be to allow Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari to be deported. It would be to ensure that non-citizens convicted of serious and/or repeated offences can be deported.
        
        The Sultan would be the first to go, and others may follow.
        
        Leave the law the way it is and subsequent offenders will be entitled to live here indefinitely.
        
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        May 20, 2017 1:28pm
holysheet

Fucken bullshit from the justice system. Not enough money to take a prosecution against a duck shooter who cost a punter an eye. But plenty of money for a prosecution against Chester burrows who didn’t get the Wanganui ferals like he should have.
The prosecutor said it was a matter of priorities. If this is how they allocate our money then its time for a change.
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May 20, 2017 8:47am
- Kea
  
  to take a prosecution against a duck shooter who cost a punter an eye.
  
  Do we prosecute other sporting accidents ? Please list the number of All Blacks criminally prosecuted for injuring other players in their sport …
  
  Let me guess, this is yet another special exception to the principle for a preferred group. The mainstay of KB debate.
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:55am
  - stephieboy
    
    Kea, what section of the Crimes Act have the AB’s broken ?
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:34am
  - holysheet
    
    The point is Kea, neither should have been prosecuted. But that is way beyond your feeble mind to grasp.
    
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    May 20, 2017 9:44am
Than

Yesterday I told my boss I thought the odds of the Crusaders going undefeated during the regular season was 27%. After last nights game I have now officially raised that to 45%.

Even better though, I put the odds of them topping the overall table at about 60%. Even if they lose to either the Hurricanes or Highlanders, if they picked up a bonus point for a close loss they could still end the regular season on 64 competition points. While the Lions have an easy last few games, they would still need to win them all *and* gain three bonus points to beat that. (A tie in comp points would go to wins, which would still be tried, so they’d go to points differential, and the Crusaders would be on top).

The Lions winning games without bonus points is “good enough” for the NZ teams right now.
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May 20, 2017 9:02am
- cmm
  
  Than
  
  HR have you booked in for “random” drug testing on Monday 9.15.
  
  Please wear clean undies.
  
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  May 20, 2017 10:32am
Kea

Used to be a time the left challenged the mainstream narrative of the establishment. Now they support it like a religion.

Used to be a time the left opposed war and the vilification of certain peoples [Russian’s]. Now they repeat pro war propaganda like a religious mantra.

Used to be a time the left were for freedom of speech. Now they want it criminalised.

Little wonder ordinary people are moving to moderate centre right leaders like Trump.
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May 20, 2017 9:06am
- stephieboy
  
  Kea , your favour still rests with Trump and his decidely pro Israeli policies ?
  
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  May 20, 2017 9:36am
- MCos
  
  I don’t think there’s anyone ‘like Trump’.
  
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  May 20, 2017 12:45pm
Happychappy

Well I see Paddy Gower is trying to make a Mountain out of a Molehill over a insinuation that our NZAF is creating cyber attacks on North Korea in retaliation for the hacking world wide and supposedly perpetrated by North Korea. Paddy seems to think because he is a TV three Journalist that he should be allowed this information so he can highlight to the world and the NZ voter that National can’t be trusted and we should not be trying to stop a Rogue Nation from trying to impose their will on the world.
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May 20, 2017 9:15am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Speaking of TV3 journalists, their long-term sports reporter Shaun Summerfield is deserting the sinking ship.
  Bad day for petrolheads, this could be the end of free to air motorsport in NZ.
  
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  May 20, 2017 9:29am
- KevOB
  
  Sedition? Journo attacking the State or is that Germo? We have no fourth estate with rights superior to NZ citizenship. The rules haven’t changed since my youth but the conduct has. Time for a correction.
  
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  May 20, 2017 2:36pm
krazykiwi

As Yoza commented yesterday, Corbyn is becoming a much more popular politician. Seems he was right:

MI5 opened file on Jeremy Corbyn amid concerns over his IRA links

MI5 opened a file on Jeremy Corbyn amid concerns over his links to the IRA, the Telegraph has discovered.

The Labour leader was investigated over fears that he could have been a threat to national security at a time when he was supporting convicted terrorists and campaigning for a unified Ireland.

The revelations come as a Telegraph investigation reveals Mr Corbyn’s full links to the IRA, including his support for one of the Balcombe Street gang, who waged a 14-month bombing campaign across south-east England, and his links to the bomb maker believed to have been behind the Hyde Park and Regents Park devices.
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May 20, 2017 9:47am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Lovely man is Corbyn.
  As is our Yoza.
  
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  May 20, 2017 10:02am
  - holysheet
    
    What, their not the same person? bugger me.
    
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    May 20, 2017 10:34am
- sam green
  
  The Tories must be worried.
  
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  May 20, 2017 12:26pm
kowtow

When private property is very public. Ridiculous.

“The five-member committee voted to have the trees removed, but on the condition Mr Butt pay for a replacement tree of a smaller species, its ongoing care, and for the cost of poisoning the poplars’ stumps to prevent regrowth.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/poplars-go-despite-campaign
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May 20, 2017 11:04am
- nasska
  
  Nothing in this life is defended more vigorously than a property’s view. Any encroachment by a tree, a power pole or a neighbour’s drying washing can turn a normal, sane defender of property rights into a rabid communist.
  
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  May 20, 2017 11:36am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Try a neighbour’s incessantly barking dog. I’d rather have a blocked view any day of the week. ? ? ? ?
    
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    May 20, 2017 4:14pm
Manolo

A clown’s confession:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/joe-biden-just-made-a-stunning-admission-about-hillary-clintons-2016-election-bid/ar-BBBjAre?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Speaking about Hillary Clinton’s surprise November defeat to Donald Trump, Biden said, “I never thought she was a great candidate. I thought I was a great candidate.”
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May 20, 2017 11:22am
- Inandout
  
  When I compare Democrat and Republican politicians being interviewed on Fox, the Dems often seem unhinged; well more so than Republican ones.
  
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  May 20, 2017 12:22pm
krazykiwi

Libya want to do their bit to stem the success of human trafficking to Italy. Fair enough, 90% of Italy’s migrants originate from Libya.

So, Italy loans Libya 4 coastguard patrol boats. Perhaps this hasn’t been sufficient, because now Libya has asked Italy to arm these patrol boats. Presumably they want to shoot the armed thugs who are trafficking humans.

I’m not a supporter of the death penalty, but monsters who traffic humans severely test my resolve.
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May 20, 2017 11:28am
Manolo

Loyal and veteran comrade Yoza will be in tears after reading this:
http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21722214-jeremy-corbyns-party-no-shape-form-effective-opposition-tories-labour-unfit

Alas, the chance of a robust opposition emerging from this miserable election campaign is vanishingly slim. The Labour Party is not so much an organised political group as a battlefield between two rival ones: Jeremy Corbyn’s gang of far-left zealots and the parliamentary party of moderates.

Until recently the moderates hoped that Mr Corbyn would do the honourable thing if he leads Labour to defeat and resign, leaving them to embark on the laborious work of rebuilding their party. Now it looks as if that is the last thing on Mr Corbyn’s narrow mind. He is busy shoring up his base by campaigning in safe seats and redefining “success” as getting the same share of the vote that his predecessor, Ed Miliband, got in 2015.
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May 20, 2017 11:28am
- krazykiwi
  
  In an odd way, Yoza’ites might be quite happy, because 100 of the more moderate Labour MPs have indicated they’ll break away.
  
  That will leave UK Labour as bunch of hard-core marxists, bitter and looking back longingly at the glory days.
  
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  May 20, 2017 11:34am
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    Rather like Jim Anderton and his similar bunch who left Labour to form New Labour. Jim followed the money though, and soon enough took his place at the trough.
    
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    May 20, 2017 11:40am
  - alwyn
    
    Given that they appear to be talking about doing this AFTER the election shouldn’t the story be headed.
    “A hundred former MPs will be setting up a new party after the election”
    If the Labour Party does as badly as the polls suggest they aren’t going to be MPs after the election, are they?
    
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    May 20, 2017 12:03pm
Milhous

Anderton is positively Thatcherite compared to Corbyn.

People underestimate how left Corbyn and Mc Donnell are. They are more like Minto and Hagar, than Little and Robertson.
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May 20, 2017 12:07pm
krazykiwi

Chart of the day:
What so-called green tariffs and CO2 reduction targets have done to UK energy prices.

Given the causative link between low-cost, reliable energy and economic growth and job creation, the UK has some catching up to do.
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May 20, 2017 12:28pm
wiseowl

The UN is demanding that the UK take 10,000 more refugees a year.
Great to see a journo Katie Hopkins question why it is always christian countries that the UN make these demands of , along with suggesting the bloated UN be disbanded .
Yay!
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May 20, 2017 12:47pm
- stephieboy
  
  wiseowl, wars of intervention and civil wars just happen to be in non Christian countries .
  
  Simple really .
  
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  May 20, 2017 12:49pm
  - wiseowl
    
    Stephieboy.
    Then those countries should sort their shit out or otherwise send the refugees to other muslim countries .
    Simple really.
    
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    May 20, 2017 12:55pm
stigie

Speaking of energy prices, has anyone know or got links to the power prices under National for the last 9 years ?
We know what Liarbores was during their 9 years, there was a massive 72% rise in power prices..?
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May 20, 2017 12:47pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Don’t need a link, just looking at my own bill.
  Stayed pretty constant from 2007 until a couple of years ago, since then it is down by at least 10%.
  I pay a fixed amount per month and love getting that nice credit every summer. The fixed amount was reduced by $40 per month about 6 months ago and I’m still well in credit.
  Wonderful what part-privatisation can do.
  
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  May 20, 2017 12:56pm
- nasska
  
  DPF covered the subject a couple of years back stigie:
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/06/electricity_prices-2.html
  
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  May 20, 2017 1:14pm
  - stigie
    
    Thanks Nasska, will have a look.
    
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    May 20, 2017 1:42pm
Jack5

The foreign-student visa rort is the subject of an interesting article by Martin van Beynen in the Christchurch Press today.

The foreign-student industry is a black market in visas for NZ settlement.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/92715338/the-fiction-behind-our-foreign-student-education-sector
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May 20, 2017 12:59pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I read that article earlier today and it has worried me.
  The tertiary study industry, said to be so valuable to our country, seems to be one giant reprehensible rort. Some people are making heaps from it and the eventual payers are Joe and Josephine Public.
  
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  May 20, 2017 6:58pm
Happychappy

Jack5:
A very good column in the Herald by Brian Gaynor In this game we are beating the Aussies and looking at the figures it shows how lucky NZ is to have had National in charge.
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May 20, 2017 1:51pm
- Jack5
  
  Agreed, another good column by Brian Gaynor.
  
  We still have work to do to catch up with Australia. In GDP per capita, Australia is running about 32 per cent ahead of NZ.
  
  NZ’s light tiers of government enable flexible and quick decisions at the top, perhaps sometimes too quick.
  
  Our light Government system is one of our best advantages. If we became a formal republic that would add another tier of government to what we enjoy now as virtually a pseudo-republic: a democratic monarchy with the monarch out of sight, very cheap to run, non-interfering, and pretty much just ceremonial and powerless.
  
  The Gaynor column:
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11859400
  
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  May 20, 2017 2:23pm
chiz

More background emerges:

Mr. Comey told the president that if he wanted to know details about the bureau’s investigations, he should not contact him directly but instead follow the proper procedures and have the White House counsel send any inquiries to the Justice Department, according to those people.

After explaining to Mr. Trump how communications with the F.B.I. should work, Mr. Comey believed he had effectively drawn the line after a series of encounters he had with the president and other White House officials that he felt jeopardized the F.B.I.’s independence.

[…]

Mr. Comey has spoken privately of his concerns that the contacts from Mr. Trump and his aides were inappropriate, and how he felt compelled to resist them.
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May 20, 2017 2:06pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘according to two people briefed on the call.’
  ‘, according to those people.’
  ‘ in which associates of Mr. Comey say’
  ‘according to two people who have read them’
  
  Who are these people? Sorry, but in the last two weeks we have seen stories started by Wapo and NYT then get piled on by other sources in a media frenzy, then turn out after a few more days to be false or not as bad as initially stated.
  Looks to me to be a deliberate strategy to undermine with innuendo and to avoid any publicity being given to Trumps achievements.
  It also has the advantage of helping the Dems avoid criticism of how badly in disarray they really are.
  
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  May 20, 2017 3:07pm
  - SGA
    
    Exactly, AoR. Fake swamp, drain the news.
    
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    May 20, 2017 3:20pm
Nostradamus

Keeping Stock:

You said this yesterday:

… Now that Hagley Park has been established as a cricket ground of international standard …

Hagley Oval old chap. Hagley Oval! Hagley Park has reportedly been established as an international standard of a very different kind…
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May 20, 2017 2:22pm
- nasska
  
  More round than oval Nostra. 🙂
  
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  May 20, 2017 2:31pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Do you suppose there was some method in the madness Nasska?
    
    In the book Eden Park: A History, the authors write, “Certainly the rough paddock strewn with stones, studded with outcrops of rock and streaked with cowpats, falling away to a boggy trough that filled in a downpour and remained flooded throughout the winter, looked better suited to frog-hunting or duck-shooting than cricket, let alone rugby.”[9]
    
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    May 20, 2017 2:35pm
    - nasska
      
      Doubt it. I’d put it down to the type of saw they used to cut the first glory hole. 🙂
      
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      May 20, 2017 2:40pm
  - stigie
    
    Yep, there’s more there to go round.
    
    Glory holes that is !~
    
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    May 20, 2017 3:20pm
Manolo

Stating the bloody obvious:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4524218/Book-claims-elites-UK-encouraging-mass-immigration.html

Indeed, the opening lines of his new book, The Strange Death Of Europe, could hardly be more incendiary.

‘Europe is committing suicide,’ Murray writes. ‘Or at least its leaders have decided to commit suicide…
As a result, by the end of the lifespans of most people currently alive, Europe will not be Europe and the peoples of Europe will have lost the only place in the world we had to call home.’
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May 20, 2017 2:44pm
- Harriet
  
  The people of Europe will shortly not be from those who built the grand cities. They already look out of place.
  
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  May 20, 2017 7:39pm
EAD

This article is not for Stephieboy, Milkmaid or Kimbo;

This article was written for mature and thoughtful people who want to understand today in light of yesterday. It was not written for baboons who start to howl the moment they hear “Hitler” – the way the monkeys of my youth used to howl in front of my window in South America when they heard a thunderclap.

http://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2011/09/13/hitler-and-the-banksters-the-abolition-of-interest-servitude/
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May 20, 2017 3:09pm
- Reid
  
  Have a look at this EAD.
  
  https://firstworldwarhiddenhistory.wordpress.com/2014/06/
  
  Start from the bottom post, read up, then use the calendar to advance. Has lots of interesting material.
  
  Including as a small example, the real motive for Gallipoli and why and how it was a disaster. Engineered as such from start to finish. Names, dates, places. Facts.
  
  Sheeple will hate it, will make them poo their pants. They’ll never bleat happily in the green green grass again.
  
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  May 20, 2017 3:55pm
  - Kea
    
    Careful Reid, you can go to jail for not accepting [some] war stories at face value, or even for asking questions. Now repeat after me: Germans are evil…
    
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    May 20, 2017 5:08pm
- Reid
  
  Do you feel like discussing Hitler tonight on GD?
  
  As in, who he really was as opposed to what Western lies have portrayed to the sheeple?
  
  My knowledge on this isn’t extensive, but I’ve read enough to know he wasn’t at all like what Western lies have said.
  
  From your comments over the years you seem to know a bit.
  
  I totally understand if you don’t, but I hope you do feel like it one day, would be good to get a better understanding.
  
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  May 20, 2017 6:36pm
Fletch

Lawyer and Harvard law professor Alan Deshowitz (who isn’t a fan of Trump and who voted for Hillary Clinton in the election) asks what is the crime which this special counsel has been appointed for? He says that coordinating with Russia to release Wikileaks at a certain time is not illegal. And he is a lawyer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu7TlE-XZiQ
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May 20, 2017 3:23pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘ that coordinating with Russia to release Wikileaks at a certain time is not illegal’
  Oh, I think in the Court of Public Opinion it is. As far as I’m concerned if Trump did collude with Russia to do this, then he should resign, regardless if it isn’t a crime.
  But I don’t think he did. I think Putin hated Clinton and wanted to fuck with her regardless of who stood against her.
  
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  May 20, 2017 3:31pm
  - Reid
    
    Why would Russia do anything at all?
    
    It’s fake news from start to finish.
    
    That’s been obvious since day one.
    
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    May 20, 2017 3:56pm
- Kea
  
  This whole Russian conspiracy nonsense is incredible. I can not believe how easily dimwitted people have been manipulated.
  
  Even if the claims are true, regarding wikileaks, why are people not asking how the leaks helped Trump ?
  
  The answer is they revealed the lies and corruption of Hillary Clinton and the Obama regime. The media is attempting to divert attention from the substance of the leaks, to how it was revealed.
  
  It is alarming that immoral low IQ sheeple have actually focused on the red herring and not the revelations about that evil woman.
  
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  May 20, 2017 4:45pm
  - Reid
    
    I can not believe how easily dimwitted people have been manipulated.
    
    No me neither and yet, here we are.
    
    And some of these idiots even apparently have jobs, a house, kids and evidently some of them even blog on here. I would have thought they’d be too busy soiling themselves and dribbling pathetically in some hospital somewhere.
    
    Life is, indeed, like a box of chocolates.
    
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    May 20, 2017 5:22pm
- Ross12
  
  Fletch
  It is not often you see Tucker completely dumbfounded. That Prof was fantastic.
  
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  May 20, 2017 7:16pm
waikatogirl

I noted a recent news item in which there was a warning of increasing use of computer bots (be gentle with me if I am a bit muddled, I am a bot virgin!) and the item was explaining how a bot works. The tech expert said a bot doesn’t engage in discussion but are insistent they are correct in their argument, so stop engaging with it.

The warning was in regard to the upcoming election and that “someone with plenty of money may try to influence the election outcome.” I wonder who they could possibly mean?! ?
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May 20, 2017 4:35pm
Kea

Kea , happy with President Trump’s renewing a close engagement with Israel ?

stupidboy, YES.

The same answer I gave last time you asked. The problems we have in the Middle East are not due to countries getting on with each other !

I am happy for NZ to have close relations with Israel and any other country.

Are you happy to have Trump form closer ties with Russia ?
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May 20, 2017 4:36pm
- Reid
  
  stephie’s busy looking up “Russia” in the Atlas but he’s puzzled for it’s not listed under F, for fast.
  
  He’ll get back with ~~the~~ an answer in several hours, I expect.
  
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  May 20, 2017 5:28pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Reid:
    
    He’ll get back with ~~the~~ an answer in several hours
    
    You’d better remind Stephieboy what the question is, old chap, otherwise he’ll be gone for several days! (Mind you, the rest of us might think that’s a good thing…)
    
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    May 20, 2017 5:39pm
VicParking

has not snowed in Arrowtown in May for three years….Global warming strikes again
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May 20, 2017 5:33pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

From 2006, Goldenhorse and Out Of The Moon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH1wfI7Nnwg
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May 20, 2017 5:34pm
Reid

Check the graph in the link.

Yesterday The Daily Telegraph published some statistics that suggest that Brits are just ordinary people, not much different from the Americans or the French – they are born communists but die hard-core conservatives.

The above data suggest that British youngsters overwhelmingly supportCorbyn’s dream. But this changes once they hit political puberty which is apparently around the age of 25. Adults seem to run away from Labour and Corbyn.

Why are the Tories leading with each age group over 25?

While youngsters are happy to share other people’s possessions, grownups are reluctant to share the little they have. People become more greedy and possessive of what they have managed to accumulate, however small, as they get older. This tendency is not a ‘British’symptom, it is actually embedded in the human condition.

There is also another reason behind Corbyn unpopularity amongst grownups. Adults understand that politicians’ promises mean little and they are always attached to a tax bill.

.Corbyn has been astonishingly successful in energizing young support. Theresa May, on the other hand, understands that it is the homeowners, the workers and especially the elders that she has to communicate with. As a calculated populist, she promises to be tough on immigration and protect possessions. Seemingly, this is what most Brits care about.

The outcome should be devastating for the British Left. In Britain, the Labour Party is primarily a juvenile adventure…

Ray Miller who was my pol studies tutor in the 80’s and now appears often on Q&A and election specials, once told us the reason older people are conservative is cos they have more to conserve.

Labour used to have a monopoly on working class older people because they marketed themselves as caring about them.

As the 80’s, 90’s, noughties and beyond have rolled around, it’s become apparent in every Western democracy that the only people Labour politicians really truly actually care about are themselves and the specific people who control groups which are useful in getting them elected, such as (in the UK, Aus and here) unionists, and everyone else can go to hell. Hence the destertion of all the hardened mature workers who used to be diehard Labour for life, because Labour no longer does anything for them, it doesn’t even talk to them.

This is why people like Trump, May and Macron are being elected. Because they’re telling the workers they will help them, where Labour hasn’t.

Those people won’t of course actually do anything for these people, but they still hope, poor bastards. Because they know there’s no point in listening to anything the formerly trustworthy lefties have to say, since they’ve done nothing but lie to them, for 30 years.

That graph is really powerful.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/19/understanding-brits-a-post-political-analysis/
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May 20, 2017 7:54pm
- nasska
  
  It’s similar here Reid except that the Greens act like a magnet to the kiddy voters.
  
  NZ Labour can’t even get them on board.
  
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  May 20, 2017 8:04pm
  - Reid
    
    Yeah I was thinking how it is striking right across the Western world nasska and how desperately sad it all is to see the once great institution of the political left crash and burn with absolutely no hope whatsoever of any recovery at all, in any way.
    
    The Gween insanity used to be part of the broader church of course, until they went completely mental with the tree hugging and that didn’t seem to go down very well with the hairy singlet-clad trade unionists who didn’t appear to fully appreciate the delicate flowering of the gay young things who were so serious and earnest they just had to leave and start their very own green brand.
    
    Quite surprising wasn’t it. Go figure.
    
    Of course if it happened today instead of the 80’s there’d be all sorts of support and counseling made available to said hairy singlet-clad trade unionists so they’d fully appreciate what was happening and make them, even if they didn’t really want to, celebrate gaily along with the young people.
    
    That was the problem. There wasn’t enough advanced thinking going on in the 80’s. Imagine where Labour would be now if there was.
    
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    May 20, 2017 8:38pm
    - GoVege
      
      There’s nothing wrong with hugging the occasional tree.
      I don’t think I could ever vote for the Greens after that unbelievably daft boat trip to the Middle East.
      Still can’t really believe it actually took place.
      
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      May 20, 2017 8:54pm
chiz

Trying to hobble it already:

The Trump administration is exploring whether it can use an obscure ethics rule to undermine the special counsel investigation into ties between President Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russia, two people familiar with White House thinking said on Friday.

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May 20, 2017 9:02pm
Manolo

He did not bow Obama-style:
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/great-unlike-obama-trump-doesnt-bow-saudi-king/
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May 21, 2017 7:13am
Manolo

Go away, you wimp and sore loser:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/334302-bush-i-predicted-trump-would-be-a-chaos-president
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