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April 29, 2017 7:00pm by David Farrar

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The latest Roy Morgan poll is at Curia. Projects NZ First having the balance of power.

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duggledog

I’ll be part of Winston’s 3% lift. Especially after listening to what he said about the first unelected female PM this morning.

I’d wear being kicked out by Shipley as a badge of honour.

I would have stayed with National but they need a good firm kick up the arse. I’m not tribal. I’m a New Zealander who knows a rimu from a rata.

All National needed to do was harden up in some areas and listen to people like me. Family man, pays all the tax, never been in any trouble with any of the authorities.

I give them an A for stewardship of the economy

I give them a D for domestic affairs.

Hope you and Winston get on Bill.
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April 29, 2017 7:15pm
- Milhous
  
  Is supporting the venal charlatan Peters to “kick National in the arse” worth risking Robertson as Finance Minister and Turei as Minister of Social Development?
  
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  April 30, 2017 6:54am
Hugh Pavletich

Why is National handing the 23 September election to Labour on a plate ? …

Roy Morgan poll media release at Interest Co NZ …

New Zealand First in the box seat to decide next NZ Government as National Party neck-and-neck with Labour/Greens – ROY MORGAN | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/87377/new-zealand-first-box-seat-decide-next-nz-government-national-party-neck-and-neck

In April support for New Zealand First was up 3% to 10.5% putting Winston Peters’ party now clearly in the box seat to decide which parties will form New Zealand’s next Government after September’s election the latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll finds. … read more via hyperlink above …

Housing the dominant concern of Kiwi voters – MacroBusiness Australia

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/housing-dominant-concern-kiwi-voters/

Bernard Hickey of Newsroom reported recently …

https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/1629-newsroom-pro-s-8-things-at-8-trolling-millennials-is-easy-defamation-retrials-loom

7. Just in case you missed it…

One curious coda to the RMA debate that concluded last week was that the Opposition parties plus ACT and United Future all voted again during the third reading debate for amendments that would have abolished Rural Urban Growth Boundaries and allowed the financing of infrastructure bonds paid for with targeted rates.

The amendments were defeated by National and the Maori Party.

The irony of a Government that has railed against restrictions on land development by councils voting against removing those restrictions should be noted. And also that the proposal for infrastructure bonds was backed by the right-leaning New Zealand Initiative and voted for by the Greens and Labour. Strange times indeed.

Why is the National –led Government just handing the 23 September election to a Labour – led Government … simply because the former is failing to provide political leadership on the housing issue ? …

NEW ZEALAND’S HOUSING CONSENSUS: WHERE IS THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP ? … HUGH PAVLETICH … NOT PC

http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/auckland-worlds-fourth-hardest-to-buy.html
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April 29, 2017 7:26pm
- Sponge
  
  Christ, you really are a pox on this blog.
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:34pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  “One curious coda to the RMA debate that concluded last week was that the Opposition parties plus ACT and United Future all voted again during the third reading debate for amendments that would have abolished Rural Urban Growth Boundaries and allowed the financing of infrastructure bonds paid for with targeted rates.
  
  The amendments were defeated by National and the Maori Party.”
  
  Great post Hugh illucidating National’s flip flop policy on housing reform.
  
  They are too gutless to do away with the arbitrary black squiggles, preferring instead to pull up the ladder.
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:55pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    WHY IS NICK SMITH BEING ALLOWED TO DESTROY THIS GOVERNMENT ?
    
    Rodney … Thank you for your constructive comments.
    
    Back mid – March Labours Housing Spokesperson Phil Twyford made my views on Minister Nick Smith very clear in the Parliament.
    
    Here is the specific extract …
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmbhzs3JcS4&feature=youtu.be
    
    … of the larger Question Time segment … (take back to start if required) …
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YznZ6HjUmFU
    
    There is no doubt this Government is in extremely serious trouble … due in the main to its gross incompetence with respect to housing issues.
    
    I would urge Kiwiblogggers to carefully check out my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … with a focus on these three sections …
    
    • John Key – Housing Reform – 2007 video
    • The 5 Important Graphs
    • GONE GONE GOING section
    
    Then ask themselves this question …
    
    As National supporters, what are they doing as individuals to knock some sorely needed sense … yes just common sense … in to the leadership … with urgency.
    
    Is it good enough that after all the years since the release of the first Demographia Survey back early 2005 (and indeed much earlier than that as well … since my time as President of the South Island Division of the Property Council back in the first part of the 1990’s), that in the main, due to the incompetence of Nick Smith, this issue is being handed to Labour on a plate so that it can lead a new Government soon after 23 September ?
    
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    April 30, 2017 3:29am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      NEW BOOK: GAME OF MATES – MACROBUSINESS AUSTRALIA
      
      Posted at … http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/04/general_debate_29_april_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1918827
      
      New Book: Game of Mates – MacroBusiness Australia
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/04/new-book-game-mates/
      
      By Cameron Murray
      
      My book about the grey corruption Game in Australia has been officially released today. It explains how the Game is played, how much it costs, and what to do about it. In this book you get a much deeper and more comprehensive look at how networks of favouritism form, whether legal or illegal, informed by my own academic research, and that of many others. We also use new economic analysis to show how much the Game costs across some of Australia’s major industries, using new economic analysis. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      Helpful comment on Kiwiblog thread …
      
      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/04/general_debate_29_april_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1918827
      
      Harriet
      
      Thanks for that — the Pascoe link in it is a very good summary. I live in aussie and hate this level of rorting – it’s corruption right throughout councils continent wide, albeit some are probably doing the right thing like the ATC —- by charging developers for zoning changes. It’s 11 billion dollars…..and that’s before roading …..and then mining….
      
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      April 30, 2017 4:51am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        (New South Wales) State budget set for June 20 will put housing affordability front and centre: Treasurer … Sydney Morning Herald
        
        http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/state-budget-set-for-june-20-will-put-housing-affordability-front-and-centre-treasurer-20170429-gvva6x.html
        
        The centrepiece of Gladys Berejiklian’s first budget as Premier will be a housing affordability package, according to Treasurer Dominic Perrottet who announced Sunday he will deliver the state’s budget on June 20. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        April 30, 2017 5:14am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        RMA reform – a lesson in how not to do it: Pattrick Smellie … Stuff
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/90212062/pattrick-smellie-rma-reform-a-lesson-in-how-not-to-do-it
        
        OPINION: As United States president Donald Trump is discovering, getting things done in politics requires law-making as well as rhetoric.
        
        Enacting legislation requires the ability to count and to build a majority. It’s not clear the Trump administration is well-versed in the dark arts of passing law in the US, where they haven’t even passed last year’s budget legislation yet.
        
        The haggling to turn Trump’s “beautiful” new healthcare policy into a replacement for Obamacare will require epic tactical cunning. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        RMA still not working for business … Business NZ / Chamber of Commerce
        
        https://www.businessnz.org.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/124009/170324-RMA-purpose.pdf
        
        The risk is greater than the GFC if we can’t fix the housing crisis … John Hewson … The Age
        
        http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-risk-is-greater-than-the-gfc-if-we-cant-fix-the-housing-crisis-20170309-guu4sf.html
        
        The real ticking timebomb for the Tories is home ownership … Allister Heath … UK Telegraph
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/11917816/The-real-ticking-time-bomb-for-the-Tories-is-home-ownership.html
        
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        April 30, 2017 12:23pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Why was new Prime Minister Bill English so stupid early / mid December ?
        
        Following former PM Keys surprise resignation 5 December, English said he would focus on 3 major things … housing … infrastructure and shared equity.
        
        The Roy Morgan poll at the time was very clear …
        
        Pollster Roy Morgan says new Prime Minister Bill English must find a solution to New Zealand’s growing ‘Housing Crisis’ – the largest problem facing New Zealanders in late 2016 | interest.co.nz
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/news/85251/pollster-roy-morgan-says-new-prime-minister-bill-english-must-find-solution-new-zealand%E2%80%99s
        
        … extract …
        
        … Michele Levine, Chief Executive Officer, Roy Morgan says:
        
        “Incoming Prime Minister Bill English must get to work finding a solution to New Zealand’s worsening ‘Housing crisis’ according to a cross-sample of 1,001 New Zealanders asked what the most important problems facing New Zealand, and the World, are just over a month ago.
        
        “A staggering 27% of New Zealanders named Housing related issues as the most important problem facing New Zealand in late October – including Increasing house prices/ Housing affordability 17% (unchanged from July 2016) and a further 10% (down 2%) named the closely related issue of the Homeless/ Homelessness/ Housing shortage. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        … then within a week ‘Weak Willy’ English does this … to protect his old mate Nick Smith !
        
        I had always thought English was on our side up to that stage.
        
        It sure has been a cruel lesson …
        
        Bill English’s cute tactic of removing one of the country’s perceived biggest problems from the list of ministerial names may come back to bite | interest.co.nz
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/85317/bill-englishs-cute-tactic-removing-one-countrys-perceived-biggest-problems-list
        
        PM Bill English abolishes position of Housing Minister as latest figures show growing housing disaster in Auckland with only two thirds of the homes required being consented | interest.co.nz
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/property/85308/pm-bill-english-abolishes-position-housing-minister-latest-figures-show-growing
        
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        April 30, 2017 5:17pm
      - RRM
        
        😐 That is 5 replies-to-self in a row.
        
        Obvious link whore is obvious.
        
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        April 30, 2017 7:42pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Housing affordability crisis keeps families locked out of home ownership – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
        
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-30/housing-affordability-locks-out-families/8484258
        
        It’s not just first-time buyers struggling to purchase houses in Sydney — with families squeezing into small apartments long after they have outgrown them as they struggle to make the financial leap into house ownership. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        May 1, 2017 12:49am
davidp

I’d rather see National go in to opposition than form a coalition with NZ First. NZ First has a reputation for unstable government, economy-wrecking big government populism, and special favours for their donors. They’re led by a flakey old man who stands for nothing other than his own ego and who represents the worst of establishment politics. I don’t want my party to be associated with this. Let Peters, Little, and Turei form a coalition of losers and if we survive three years of chaos, then we can give them the boot.
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April 29, 2017 7:44pm
- calendar girl
  
  Let’s recognise at least that the stark prospect (inevitability?) of Peters holding the balance of power is what our country deserves for being hoodwinked into accepting and institutionalising MMP as NZ’s electoral system of voting.
  
  When that kind of voting system is captured by someone as clever / devious as Peters, MMP breeds and entrenches weak governance beholden to multiple “special interest” groups, rather than to clear, social and economic basic principles – and to sound management of the country as a whole.
  
  The opportunist Peters himself is not the cause of the political dilemma facing New Zealand. But he is clever enough to position himself, strategically and near-permanently, as MMP’s Beneficiary-in-Chief.
  
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  April 30, 2017 7:56am
  - tavita
    
    Peters only gets to hold the balance of power under MMP because the other parties are still trying to play as pre-MMP style government and opposition. His power would be much diminished if parties were to work together on issues where they could agree and oppose on issues where they didn’t, rather than treating every vote as a confidence vote.
    
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    April 30, 2017 10:33am
duggledog

Davidp

Balls.

So far as I can see, WP is the only man standing, representing what I believe made NZ great.

NZ First has a reputation for unstable Government because Winston told the phonies to get f***ed and stuck to his principles.

A burglary every seven minutes.
Can’t deport a convicted immigrant rapist.
Meth out of control.
Seven years for the latest child killer.
Maori given extraordinary licence in latest RMA reforms.

Want me to go on?
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April 29, 2017 7:53pm
- davidp
  
  Peters has been in parliament since 1978. He’s had almost 40 years to solve these problems, which includes significant periods in government as part of the establishment. 40 YEARS! If you think that he is going to stop burglaries, stop people taking meth, or force judges to raise sentences then you’re delusional. He might change the RMA to remove Maori influence, but you never know since he spent the 90s pandering to Maori interests because his base was the Maori seats. Peters only has one principle, and that is Peters First. Everything else is up for negotiation, especially if you’re a NZ First donor… If he needs Maori votes, then he’ll be a Maori nationalist. If he doesn’t need them then he’ll be an anti-Maori anti-immigrant populist.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:04pm
- GazzaW
  
  Even if I was prepared to accept that WP is the epitome of all that was great about NZ what about the rest of his MPs? They couldn’t run a bath never mind holding down key Cabinet positions which is the price WP would demand.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:08pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    How dead right you are Gazza.
    Whatever we might think of the Nats, a Govt. with the drunken old Winston pulling the strings would be a total disaster.
    We all know it, so why are so many of us threatening to give him the helm?
    
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    April 29, 2017 8:30pm
    - davidp
      
      >We all know it, so why are so many of us threatening to give him the helm?
      
      Apparently it sends a message to the government, and it doesn’t matter if our economy is in ruins in three years time and we’re all packing our bags for Australia. Again.
      
      It’s a similar philosophy to that used by guys who kill their own children to send a message to their ex-wives. “That’ll teach her to leave me”.
      
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      April 29, 2017 8:45pm
      - paul scott
        
        You’re nuts davidp 8.45 , but maybe you’ll be ok in Australia where the Liberals are bowing to Islam, Green power, and other unlucky ideas and flows which will decimate the place.
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:05pm
      - GazzaW
        
        If Australia is really that bad Paul then why aren’t we seeing 450,000 Kiwis clamouring to come home? What ‘other unlucky ideas and flows’ are you referring to? Australia does not appear to be on the brink of economic and social collapse to me.
        
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        April 30, 2017 9:35am
    - cmm
      
      “We all know it, so why are so many of us threatening to give him the helm?”
      
      Because the Nats need a solid kick in the balls.
      
      They came to power promising data driven governance, but in the last 8 years they’ve got soft and are now getting softer every day.
      
      If it needs 3 years of Winnie holding their feet to the fire, so be it.
      
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      April 29, 2017 8:57pm
      - paul scott
        
        That’s right cmm Nobody is asking voters for life membership . This Government is very very sick. Its most staunch voters are turning their backs. Slackjaw was one of the weakest leaders ever, but like a rat he knew when to leave ship.
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:08pm
      - davidp
        
        >If it needs 3 years of Winnie holding their feet to the fire, so be it.
        
        Of course he hasn’t held any government’s feet to any fire in 40 years. But gullible people think it is never too late to start.
        
        We’re in the House, question number 1 Winston Peters…
        
        Peters: Does the PM have confidence in all his ministers?
        
        PM: Mr Speaker, yes.
        
        Peters: How can the PM have confidence the Minister of Local Government when… and then with his voice increasing in volume, he bangs on about a cost overrun on a lawn mowing contract at Taihape council, or something.
        
        PM: I don’t know, but if you table a specific question for the minister then he’ll look into it.
        
        Peters supporter: OMG, it is a scandal. How can the PM not have the details of every council contract and invoice at his fingertips. Good Old Winnie will keep them honest!!!
        
        Everyone else: He keeps pulling this crap and you keep falling for it. What is wrong with you? Why are you so gullible and stupid?
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:13pm
      - GazzaW
        
        And how exactly is that old windbag going to hold the Nats’ feet to the fire? Let me tell you cmm that it will be a Pyrrhic victory worse than you can imagine for you and all the others who see WFP as some sort of avenging angel come to save us from the evils of the ‘new left’.
        
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        April 30, 2017 10:13am
      - cmm
        
        I think I used the wrong phrase there, I should have perhaps chosen “a thorn in their side”.
        
        Winnie is pretty useless at holding people accountable, but he’s pretty good at reminding them that if they sharpened up their act they could govern without him.
        
        Giving the Nats three years of WP would be a punishment for going off script.
        
        If they get back on script in 3 years then they get a WP-less government in 2020. If they let it slide even further then they go and we get Labour/Green for 3 years and Nat get to have a wee think for a bit.
        
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        April 30, 2017 2:57pm
- Happychappy
  
  What a load of crap let him go with Labour and the Greens and see how long he stays. He and his party can keep their Paul Littles and Chuck Birds and their Racial views and if that’s you too well you deserve what you get between the three of them.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:47pm
  - paul scott
    
    Read the Immigration stats Happy. Its nothing about racism sadsack, its reality, there is a problem, and the voters see it. . .
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:02pm
    - Happychappy
      
      The man can’t even string a sentence together on Question time in Parliament and half of MP’s are not worth a pinch of goat shit so National would be better off leaving him to prop up the Marriage of Convenience and wait till the next Election.
      
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      April 29, 2017 9:11pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Happpy, that is a funny handle for such as sad negative person. It is fortunate that we have a PM who is a loyal New Zealander who puts what is right for NZ ahead of what you suggest. If he did what you suggest he might as well resign. He would have a pretty bad legacy.
    
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    April 30, 2017 7:33am
    - Happychappy
      
      Call me what you like Chuck and if you mean I have to go round puffing my chest out big noting about going into dangerous mines and getting off posting sex crimes like you well maybe negative is a good way to be. What time do you call the troops to pray and Worship you almighty Winston First at the Delta today.
      
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      April 30, 2017 8:02am
- paul scott
  
  Any long term observer will quickly find that the Nats have no policy and principles [ pragmatism they say ] and that the 15 NZF principles and policies on the web site are constant, and where NZF is heading. New Zealanders and our country and prosperity are the summation.
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:00pm
  - UpandComer
    
    What rubbish.
    
    NZ first are blatherers.
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:04pm
sooty

How low would have Labour gone without Jacinda.
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April 29, 2017 8:07pm
RRM

I don’t like this.

National doing everything they can to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

As a white male net taxpayer with a young family and a mortgage, I really don’t look forward to getting reamed by the greens, the Maoris AND the bene party (formerly known as LABOUR) for all of their virtue signalling projects!
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April 29, 2017 8:16pm
- RRM
  
  Holy crap I love this new Samsung phone though!
  
  I type “snatching defeat” and it auto-prompts “from the jaws of victory” to complete the phrase.
  
  I type “virtue” and it suggests “signalling” for the next word.
  
  It’s like it knows me!
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:18pm
  - davidp
    
    A long time ago I saw a documentary about 1970s communist China. Newspaper typesetters had prearranged sets of characters for standard phrases like “we will smash the imperialist dogs and serve Chairman Mao faithfully”.
    
    Your new Samsung is the equivalent of a Chinese typesetter.
    
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    April 29, 2017 8:52pm
- paul scott
  
  RRM 8.16 Yu have been reamed by Maori > its the RMA Act. If you want to build a henhouse, if you want to drink water, ask Maori for permission, and how much it will cost you.
  
  u
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:11pm
- Paulus
  
  As a Superannuitant I am terrified to understand what a Labour Greens Winston party would do to my pension upon which I rely..
  Over time the Greens particularly the little fat one have decried the rich Superannuitants and have said they would deal with this as a priority.
  
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  April 30, 2017 1:43pm
lilman

30 years of voting National,I pass.

Never,NEVER will I vote National again.
I gave them my trust and vote to keep New Zealand a country where race does not set rules of democracy.
I will never forgive the disgusting backing of Hamas over Israel.
I wont pick a winner ,but if National win it will not be because of me.
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April 29, 2017 8:37pm
- dad4justice
  
  Well said lilman, NEVER in my life will I vote for National again.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:51pm
  - cmm
    
    Never is a long time…
    
    I’m fully prepared to vote National again… when they remember what their voter base actually wants.
    
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    April 30, 2017 3:01pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      The thing that really appalls me about this crowd … which is nowhere near centre-right … is the sheer incompetence.
      
      It is ‘the road to hell’ for them heading towards 23 September … and deservedly so.
      
      A repeat of 2002 ?
      
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      April 30, 2017 4:32pm
- double d
  
  Off you go to whaleoil then old chap.
  Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out old chap.
  
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  April 30, 2017 2:29am
Odakyu-sen

This country needs a party for the workers/producers/creators/aspirers.

It does not need a party for the
ticket-clippers/welfare-hammock users/criminals/non-integrators & other separatists/jobs-worthies and other parasites.

There’s no-one to vote for.
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April 29, 2017 8:39pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Well said.
  
  Definately needs a new party with a bold courageous reformer for a leader.
  
  We stand at the precipice.
  
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  April 29, 2017 10:05pm
  - Paulus
    
    We already have such a Party led by Hone – he has bold courage and reform as his policy.
    Up yours.
    
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    April 30, 2017 1:45pm
- UpandComer
  
  Why wouldn’t you think national are for the workers, producers, creators and aspirers? Because they do a better job getong people off welfare then Labour?
  
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  April 30, 2017 12:42am
- cmm
  
  A small correction for you:
  
  “It does not need a party for the
  ticket-clippers/welfare-hammock users/criminals/non-integrators & other separatists/jobs-worthies and other parasites.”
  
  Yes it does need a party for them.
  
  However we don’t need THREE parties all vying for that demographic.
  
  National are really being stupid. There is nothing in it for them to drift left. Even leftie voters are getting sick of pandering to the losers.
  
  All National really have to do is strengthen their centrist position.
  
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  April 30, 2017 3:06pm
- Anthony
  
  What about Act?
  
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  April 30, 2017 9:26pm
Chuck Bird

I would like any of you to name one MP who would put doing what what is right ahead of their career?

I think nearly everyone on this blog knows that Peter Ellis is not guilty of the crimes he spent years in jail for. While one MP stick their neck for justice?

To say that Winston is in politics for him self and John Key and your other favorite MPs are their for public service and not for personal rewards or their ego is just nonsense.

I am sure Winston believes in binding referendum on the Maori seats. However, if he did not believe there were votes in it he would not have that high on his agenda.

Most people vote for want is in their or their families interest so people would vote to get rid of the Maori seats. How many people would change their vote to bring justice for Peter Ellis? No many I think as it will not help them.
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April 29, 2017 8:49pm
- Happychappy
  
  As many people that believe Winston Peters will hold your hand and walk into the Pike River Mine Drift.
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:01pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    You are one big hypocrite.
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:04pm
    - Happychappy
      
      At least I don’t frequent public toilets and are not hypocritical immigrant.
      
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      April 29, 2017 9:15pm
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    Sadsack Unhappy chappy
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:15pm
    - Happychappy
      
      I am definitely not unhappy as it won’t effect me but both of married daughters will be as they both have businesses and will be very aware of what the coalition from hell could do.
      
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      April 29, 2017 9:32pm
  - davidp
    
    I’d forgotten about Peters’ Pike River delusion.
    
    How about the resort and golf course that he KNEW was being sold to foreigners. It wasn’t.
    
    Or the US intelligence station located just north of Auckland. Peters was the only person who knew about this but, trust him, he was going to tell us where it was after the 2014 election. He hasn’t.
    
    Or the Cook Strait ferry that Peters spent months telling us had run aground. It didn’t.
    
    I suspect Peters purposely tries to tell the most delusional outrageous lies, just to see who is dumb enough to keep believing him. He probably has a chuckle down at the Green Parrot… “you can fool some of the people all of the time, and some equals about 10 percent”.
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:25pm
BeeSting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd2qRSzCj84
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April 29, 2017 8:58pm
niggly

Good grief! Unfortunately some people are deluding themselves if they think a protest vote in support if NZF will help (and shore up National etc).

A vote for NZ First is effectively a vote for Labour. Winston’s own supporters say so!

In 2014: “67% of those who voted for New Zealand First at the 2011 general election would prefer Labour to lead a coalition government if one is needed after September 20’s general election.”
https://www.horizonpoll.co.nz/page/382/large-majorities-of-nz-first-voters-would-prefer-coalition-deal-with-labour

In 2017: “In March 2017, 77% of those who voted for New Zealand First in the 2014 general election prefer Labour.”
https://www.horizonpoll.co.nz/page/winstons-choice-77-of-his-voters-prefer-labour-led

So there you go, vote NZF = get a Labour led govt … no wonder why the drunken dwarf keeps his cards close to his chest and won’t say any of this out loud before the election!
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April 29, 2017 9:59pm
- lilman
  
  Bugger National,I dont care,They sold New Zealand down the drain for power.
  I am white,my wife and kids are of maori descent,they are mine,they are N ew Zealanders.
  How could they do what we found disgusting in South Africa and fought to end.
  English is out of his depth and now I have to vote for anyone who will stand for 1 man regardless of race to apply for and get jobs and positions on merit.
  Not on race.
  Hamas,bloody murdering terrorists and we backed them.
  
  DONE.
  
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  April 29, 2017 10:32pm
Boris Piscina

People, people, people. The numbers are what they are. Labour aren’t going to get within a bull’s roar of enough support to form a Government with or without the Greens, NZF, and Uncle Tom Cobbly.

And Peters has said more times than I could count that he won’t put the Greens into Government. He knows as well as everyone else that doing so would be the death of him and his Party.

He doesn’t actually have any options, and neither do we. September is still a way off, but the outcome is pre-ordained.

We all need to get used to that.

Just saying.
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April 29, 2017 10:39pm
JasonJohns

Thankyou for your comment Boris. If I may let me refer you to the general debate thread, where we have been exposing the fabrication of reality by the PC history establishment which has denied the old true story that Moriori were the first NZers and suppressed all the texts that explain this old truth in favour of PC myths. You have strongly stated your belief that the PC myth is wrong and that Moriori clearly were the first. Maybe you can name one of the lost books that the PC establishment has purged from libraries and the internet? Where did you get your information on Moriori? If you could name your source then those of us trying to set up a ‘truth library’ would be very grateful…
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April 29, 2017 10:49pm
- Boris Piscina
  
  Haven’t read the thread and in all probability won’t. Give me specifics. I’m too old and grumpy for this type of shite.
  
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  April 29, 2017 11:04pm
JasonJohns

Boris you stated repeatedly that the new story about Moriori was a lie, and that they were the first NZers who were conquered and enslaved by Maori. What was the source for your view? It is vital that we discover this source before it is destroyed by the PC police. How did you learn the truth about the Moriori?
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April 29, 2017 11:13pm
- Boris Piscina
  
  I talked with them. They are not part of the Government creation that is Ngai Tahu and they never were.
  
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  April 29, 2017 11:56pm
- Boris Piscina
  
  Further; having re-read your posts, I am still a little uncertain as to whether you’re having a snide dig, or genuinely wanting some direction as to the source of the history. If it is the former, then I believe your downtickers have got it right.
  
  But giving you the benefit of the doubt that it may be the latter, and that they and I may have mistaken your intent, I can tell you that I’m not aware of any texts being purged.
  
  The story of Moriori was the established history as told and retold by Maori themselves, without question, judgement, or prejudice, for most of this country’s existence up until about 30 years ago.
  
  Polynesian Maori arrived in these islands whenever they did, found other people already here, and proceeded to do unto them what invaders have done through all of human history.
  
  Moriori were in fact only one part of the established peoples living here at the time of the Polynesian arrival. They were the longest to survive however, being driven eventually to the Chathams, to where they were finally pursued by Maori, meeting their ultimate demise there at the hands of their pursuers.
  
  We were taught this at school. It was a simple matter of fact, not questioned or denied, not requiring justification, it was simply the way things had been. Maori were neither proud not ashamed of it. Theirs was a world of conflict, and to the victors belonged the spoils. Interestingly most if not all Maori also accepted their own defeat and subsumation by the British in the same light, prior to the creation of the modern bitterness and grievance industry. Land claims were a separate issue.
  
  Moriori did live in the North Island as well as the South, along with the other peoples that made up the First Nations. Kai Tahu and Makaawhio are among those who trace their lineage to those peoples, and they and others were pretty much forcibly included in the new tribe named Ngai Tahu that was created as part of the Waitangi Tribunal process.
  
  Modern Maori do of course incorporate elements of the language, culture, and DNA of those First Nations peoples, including Moriori, as one would naturally expect following the process of invasion, conquest, enslavement, and genocide.
  
  Hope this helps. My apologies if you weren’t having a dig, and up yours if you were.
  
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  April 30, 2017 1:04pm
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    That’s all complete bullshit. Just saying, Boris.
    
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    April 30, 2017 9:34pm
Manolo

The day of reckoning could be getting closer for spineless Labour lite.
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April 30, 2017 12:03am
- Milhous
  
  That’s right .
  
  Well get ready for increased government spending , increased environmental regulation , increased labour market regulation, inflation, high interest rates, increased special interest payouts and higher taxes…and Winston Fucking Peters will do sod all about it.
  
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  April 30, 2017 7:05am
northern

Vote ACT to shore up a National-led govt while stiffening their spine! Socially liberal but fiscally responsible.
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