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April 5, 2017 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 5 April 2017

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April 5, 2017 8:02am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Boo who?
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:06am
  - mikenmild
    
    Don’t start crying.
    
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    April 5, 2017 8:15am
  - PhilBest
    
    Boo Radley
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:26am
Manolo

The plot thickens:
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/327197-rice-denies-obama-administration-inappropriately-unmasked-trump-team
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April 5, 2017 8:04am
- Fletch
  
  Yeh. This was the same lady who went on all those weekend TV shows pushing the “youtube video” story after Benghazi.
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:43am
  - mikenmild
    
    This latest ‘scandal’ is at least as serious as Benghazi.
    
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    April 5, 2017 8:48am
    - PhilBest
      
      Yes, and both this and Benghazi are more serious than Watergate and Iran-Contra. That isn’t what you meant, of course, being a lefty. Everything is all right when the left do it.
      
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      April 5, 2017 9:29am
  - Manolo
    
    Yes, the very same minion of the messiah.
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:09am
Paulus Gnome

Hugh, Hugh, Hugh, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, wherefore art thou venerable sage, save us from this doom!

‘Quotable Value’s latest quarterly data, out today, shows average values across Auckland dipped 0.2 per cent in the last three months.’

The yearly change a piffling, a trifling, a mere 12.3% according to a Ms Gisbon writing in an Auckland future chip wrapper

This is terrible Hugh, you are the seer, the prophet, the oracle of the cut and paste property world, how do I now think about the 15% average price gain per annum I have had on my Auckland property for the last (say) seven years? Do I sell now?! Where do I live! Is Tamranui a good prospect?

I am full of contrition for my comments and downticks for your insightful clairvoyant like ability to correctly predict this scenario so many times since 2010, I should have listened, taken heed of all those warnings! You were right! (eventually)

Paste the answer please, I can see Auckland property owners making their way past my window in a lemming like daze on their way to the bridge as I type! Show me the way before it is too late, tell me what to do before there is another cataclysmic downward turn and the value of my property is less than I wildly imagined!

Paste an answer so that at I am saved at least your holy munificent realestateagentness!

Yeah, nah, I’ll take my chances, thanks anyway.
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April 5, 2017 8:05am
- PhilBest
  
  In all seriousness, if you take my advice to sell out of Auckland property in 2020 if the crash has not already come by then, you will thank me for it. The crash will come, but I am not going to run the risk of looking like a stopped clock that will be right eventually, by saying for years that a crash is imminent.
  
  One of the best pieces of advice I ever heard was, “the share market can stay irrational longer than short-traders can stay solvent”. Property is very similar except you can’t do “short” trades in it.
  
  Our crash might take till 2024 to come, but I would be cashing up in 2020 to avoid being caught in the rush for the exits.
  
  A housing market that had a median multiple of 3 in 1996, 6 in 2006, and 10 in 2016 – it is not smart to think this won’t end in tears. History is full of examples to learn from, and not one example supports the belief that this is “a new norm”.
  
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  April 5, 2017 9:37am
  - dime
    
    its going to happen.
    
    crashes are intersting because a lot of us are only in our 30’s/ 40’s. we dont remember many of them.
    
    then ya listen to buffet whos 165 yars old. he starts saying things like – this looks like what happened in 1958 and 1973 etc its kinda scary. all the signs are there.
    
    big call to sell out of your family home though. agree, sellin rentals might not be a bad idea.
    
    im currently out of rentals.. although mrs dime has a nice big house in auckland that is rented..
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:41am
    - Viking2
      
      Chicken Littlew shit.
      I’m over 70, been in housing for yonks and the only crash that we have had was during the depression. We have had times where sales were tough, prices were down a bit but never been a crash.
      As long as developers can install covenants on subdivisions that demand a house of certain constructions then nothing will change because you cannot build and sell cheap housing anymore.
      
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      April 5, 2017 5:20pm
  - GazzaW
    
    When was the last time that the Auckland property market took a serial dive? I’m not talking about a cyclical downturn.
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:54am
    - dime
      
      what was the dip on 08? 20%?
      
      20% drop on a house worth 1.2 = ouch
      
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      April 5, 2017 10:36am
      - Colville
        
        dime.
        IIRC mid 07 to mid 08 Auck market dropped 20% but houses only 8%. Within a year market had regained half that loss and has marched forever upward since.
        A lot of that 08 market drop was tiny shite apartments that were half built when the crash came and investors were going tits up left right and center.
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:14am
    - PhilBest
      
      GazzaW:
      
      When was the last time the Auckland property market had a “cyclical upturn” of 300 percent in 16 years? If you net out the price of structures, which are pretty much constant in real terms, the inflation in the bare land value is more like 3000 percent.
      
      Of course previous cyclical downturns were mere reversions to mean, from an unwise 20% or so inflation of property prices ahead of incomes (and the raw land value, which was what really counts, probably went up 100% and down 50 – this is why developers are hit so much harder, with their exposure on sites in progress, than investors in “bricks and mortar” properties).
      
      You have to go back to the 1920’s / 30’s and earlier, to find examples of the kind of volatility we are experiencing today. It did not end prettily back then and it won’t end prettily this time either.
      
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      April 5, 2017 2:32pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Costs $4-50k ish to sell and then buy another house including moving costs etc in Auckland. For most that is not worthwhile – so the market is very sticky.
    
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    April 5, 2017 11:15am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    My favorite quote: “Property prices are a matter of opinion, but debt is real.”
    
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    April 5, 2017 11:57am
kowtow

Ain’t multiculturalism great? So enriching.

“Police are now searching for a man they describe as aged between 20 and 30, 180 cm tall and dark skinned. ……

At the time of the incident he was wearing light jeans and a summer jacket. He spoke to the couple in broken English.”

https://www.thelocal.de/20170403/bonn-police-hunt-man-who-took-woman-from-tent-and-raped-her

Thanks to the political class women and others are in danger in their own countries from violent foreigners.I think it’s called the diversity dividend.
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April 5, 2017 8:07am
- Inandout
  
  Germany is a ‘Sanctuary Country’, where even criminal migrants are welcome. The US equivalent sanctuary cities are now beginning to feel the love.
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:13am
  - Paulus
    
    Will be all right when Herr Dotcom escapes to his erstwhile home – will increase the criminal population.
    
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    April 5, 2017 8:17am
  - ztev
    
    Germany has 80 mill people. Who would have thought they have ‘crime’
    I hear VW has being doing criminal stuff too ? I knew those nazi cars would lead to trouble.
    
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    April 5, 2017 10:45am
    - Paulus
      
      Still a bloody good car – I have had 4 over the years and would buy again.
      
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      April 5, 2017 10:53am
Swifty

Keeping Stock – how did things go over night?

Absolutely torrential here in Avondale overnight, but has now stopped in the last few hours.
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April 5, 2017 8:09am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I can see the sad serial down ticker has been through, most likely trying to get done before the next once in a hundred year cloud burst
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:20am
- ztev
  
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  he pushing his Tiida away from the trendy riverside ‘shared space’- the poster boy for increased rainfall meets rising sea levels
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:26am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Oh dear. Such a bitch. 😆
    
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    April 5, 2017 8:29am
Inandout

The personified Wanganui River can now be sued for flood damage it is believed.
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April 5, 2017 8:10am
- namron
  
  Perhaps the Chch Council might be reconsidering a new citizen called The Avon!!
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:19am
- krazykiwi
  
  According to a lawyer friend:
  
  You can sue it, but you’ll get nothing.
  It can sue you, and take everything.
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:32am
  - Inandout
    
    I heard that Chris Finlayson, as Minister responsible for making the river an entity/person, could in theory be sued.
    
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    April 5, 2017 8:56am
    - mikenmild
      
      Hear a lot of bullshit, do you?
      
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      April 5, 2017 8:57am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Sure you can Sue. But if you’re successful, who settles?
      
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      April 5, 2017 9:09am
      - rangitoto
        
        The river Taniwha can pay.
        
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        April 5, 2017 10:30am
    - jims_whare
      
      Kind of appropriate for this age.
      
      A gay male is the mother of a child who is fully mature, has no clear sex, and who can neither walk, talk, see, or hear.
      
      Whanganui is the perfect poster child for the snowflake generation.
      
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      April 5, 2017 9:34am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Sure, that child just goes with the flow…
        
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        April 5, 2017 10:56am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        And is wet behind the ears (wherever they are on a river)
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:41am
- Garbageman
  
  Cam has a very amusing post on this https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/04/state-emergency-declared-person-threatens-homes-livelihoods/
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:18am
kowtow

The Dutch are said to be so liberal and tolerant, how could this happen?

“And then suddenly there was a group of six to eight Moroccan youths. Before I knew it I was on the ground fighting with three men on top of me.”

But as with lighting up monuments whenevr there’s a Muslim terror outrage these empty gestures won’t do a thing ,other than make the gesticulators feel good about themselves.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/04/men-holding-hands-protest-against-anti-gay-violence-netherlands/
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April 5, 2017 8:11am
krazykiwi

Good decision:

Theresa May takes stand against Saudi regime by not wearing headscarf – ignoring Foreign Office advice

Theresa May has taken a stand against Saudi Arabia’s ultra-conservative regime by not wearing a headscarf – going against official Foreign Office advice.

The Prime Minister, in a dark blue trouser suit, made sure she had her wrists and ankles covered, in accordance with strict dress codes for women in Saudi Arabia.
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April 5, 2017 8:13am
- Inandout
  
  Yay, a Thatcherite it seems.
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:16am
  - cmm
    
    Thatcher was the last UK politician with any balls.
    
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    April 5, 2017 8:18am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Yeah, even Ed Balls lacked them 😀
      
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      April 5, 2017 8:21am
    - Manolo
      
      True. Blair, Brown and Cameron were castrated at birth. 😀
      
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      April 5, 2017 8:21am
      - GoVege
        
        Actually Manolo, the other day Tony Blair was saying that prospective immigrants to the UK should stay in their home countries if they weren’t prepared to assimilate.
        
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        April 5, 2017 1:48pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Will she defend Gibraltar as Maggie did the Falklands?
      
      Poms love an impromptu dust up after closing time, especially if they have to get the navy out!
      
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      April 5, 2017 8:26am
      - Liberty
        
        England having a Navy base in Gibraltar is as logical as American rednecks right to carry arms. We don’t live in the 17oos anymore.
        
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        April 5, 2017 1:13pm
      - Viking2
        
        Has already said so. The Gibs had a go at Spain just on Monday. Called the EU commissioner not nice names.
        
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        April 5, 2017 5:27pm
    - GoVege
      
      Apparently it was Thatcher’s idea to allow Muslims to set up their own sharia courts.
      
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      April 5, 2017 1:50pm
- ztev
  
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  Women meeting the pope are expected to wear a veil/headscarf
  men are expected to wear suits, no bermuda shorts
  
  How come your outrage is only when its a muslim/arab country
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:31am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Where was your outrage when Michelle Obama arrived in Saudi without a headscarf?
    
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    April 5, 2017 8:38am
    - ztev
      
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      She did wear one for the Pope. Go figure
      
      The world leaders who are men wear those jewish head caps when they go to the wailing wall in Jerusalem- and its not even a religious site.
      The women ? – not allowed to even go with the men.
      Israel is like that, women only beaches, men and women in different parts of the bus, segregated shops.
      Wheres your outrage for this ‘western country’ with such poor treatment of women.
      
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      April 5, 2017 8:46am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I listen to people there, not kb trolls and/or Jew-haters:
        
        As a woman living in Israel, who regularly travels throughout the country, from communities of ultra-Orthodox Jews to the shores of secular and extremely liberal Tel Aviv, I see every day that women of all faiths and denominations hold rights here. These rights allow women to wear anything they choose.
        
        Upon Israel’s establishment, the government modeled the country on the Jewish concept of free will. I see Muslim women wearing hijabs in the streets of Jerusalem, modern Orthodox women with hair coverings and baggy jeans, teenagers in leggings and belly shirts, Haredi women in stockings and shirts covering their collar bones, eighteen year olds in IDF uniforms, and female members of Israel’s Parliament wearing pant suits. We have laws protecting us from domestic violence.
        
        We have been allowed to drive since roads were paved.
        
        We were granted the right to vote on the momentous day we were granted a state.
        
        Further, when Israel’s woman’s right were was ‘condemned’ by the UN, the supporters of that resolution where: Bangladesh, Belarus, Brazil, China, Colombia, Congo, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, India, Indonesia, Iran (Islamic Republic of), Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Russian Federation, Sudan, Tajikistan, Uruguay…. few of them model states in terms of women’s rights.
        
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        April 5, 2017 8:57am
      - 4077th
        
        I call BS on that. The last time you were in Israel was? Thought not..
        
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        April 5, 2017 9:54am
      - ztev
        
        Ohh you are doing outrage pretty good, can I have my mine with a fringe around the top
        
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        April 5, 2017 9:56am
      - ztev
        
        this is for you 4077
        http://religionnews.com/2016/08/24/in-israel-women-only-beach-days-allow-the-religious-to-relax/
        
        I dont have a problem with that
        but it gets nasty
        http://davidduke.com/racial-segregation-in-israel-more-extreme-than-jim-crow-or-apartheid-south-africa/
        “Superland confirmed that it had a policy of designating separate days at the park for group visits by Arab and Jewish schools.”
        
        Wailing wall doesnt have any religious significance its just a cultural site.
        
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        April 5, 2017 10:03am
      - Duxton
        
        “The world leaders who are men wear those jewish head caps when they go to the wailing wall in Jerusalem- and its not even a religious site.”
        
        Really? The Wailing Wall, which recalls the destruction of Solomon’s Temple, most certainly is a holy (‘religious’) site. And it was one well before the Mohammedan mosque was built on the site.
        
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        April 5, 2017 3:49pm
  - cmm
    
    Surely there is a difference between some specific religious person/place (pope/wailing wall) and a country?
    
    People can choose to be catholic. They can choose to leave. People can choose to be Jewish and they can leave. If you don’t nobody will kil you.
    
    What happens to women in Saudi Arabia who no longer want to be Muslim?
    
    Comparing these is either extremely naive or willfully ignorant. Since you seem generally informed, I’ll go with the latter.
    
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    April 5, 2017 8:56am
    - doggone7
      
      Yep it’s all on in Saudi Arabia when things aren’t done as they should be.
      
      Like sheep to the slaughter eh?
      
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      April 5, 2017 9:09am
    - ztev
      
      Thats a good point. Saudi Arabia has religious police who enforce their restrictions.
      But as far as I know people can leave Saudi Arabia, so you have made one good point but another was a falsehood.
      
      Reminds of storys about native americans in the early colonial days, sometimes women and children were taken captive and grew up within the tribal culture.
      Funnily enough when they were ‘rescued’ often at their first opportunity they would escape to be back within the tribal culture they had known.
      
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      April 5, 2017 10:52am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        in Saudi Arabia the concept of people does not extend to women. They are not allowed to travel (including internationally) without a male relative’s permission.
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:20am
      - ztev
        
        We too have strange customs, wealthy male business men have their assets in their wifes name.
        Go figure
        
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        April 5, 2017 12:48pm
      - Duxton
        
        They shouldn’t have to leave their country.
        
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        April 5, 2017 3:50pm
  - Longknives
    
    “Women meeting the pope are expected to wear a veil/headscarf”
    
    Ztev- As a lapsed Catholic who can’t stand the current wimp of a Pope even I feel compelled to call you on your utter and complete bullshit!
    
    http://www.papalaudience.org/dress-code
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:59am
    - Kimbo
      
      I call “double bullshit!”
      
      This is how to greet the ~~Pope~~ Anti-Christ 😉
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlbmIMbKZa4
      
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      April 5, 2017 10:08am
      - ztev
        
        http://www.cbsnews.com/news/laura-bush-meets-pope-benedict/
        http://stillinfashion.blogspot.co.nz/2011/09/meeting-pope.html
        Both Princess diana and chantal biya wore black outfits and black lace for the head
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/13/princess-charlene-prince-albert-pope-pictures-photos_n_2466974.html
        
        and the yarmulke
        Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin wearing a yarmulke
        Prince Charles of Wales, regent to the British crown, wearing a yarmulke
        His holiness, the Dalai Lama, wearing a yarmulke as he prays at the Western Wall
        http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/12/daniel-pipes-unhealthy-obsession-with-the-hijab/
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Angela Merkel mustn’t have got that message to cover her head when meeting the Pope.
    http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Pope+Francis+Meets+Chancellor+Germany+Angela+6W_87iKl5ESx.jpg
    
    And who forgot to tell Helen Clark about the head covering thingee
    http://www.gettyimages.co.nz/event/the-pope-meets-the-prime-minister-of-new-zealand-50835410?esource=SEO_GIS_CDN_Redirect#pope-john-paul-ii-receives-a-gift-from-prime-minister-of-new-zealand-picture-id50881675
    
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    April 5, 2017 2:47pm
- GoVege
  
  You go girl!!!!
  Show those chauvinists British women don’t take crap.
  
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  April 5, 2017 11:11am
Paulus

I know it is raining but I think I have had an Epiphany.
I heard Winston last evening – not something I would normally do, but I believe he, even as a Maori, is right about the changes to the RMA which is effectively giving control of the country to Maori under the new proposed changes.
I would normally in no way vote for him and his Party, but am ashamed to say that if this National Government continue to proceed they will for the first time ever lose our votes.
Who we vote for, if anybody, will be for consideration.
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April 5, 2017 8:15am
- MCos
  
  “I heard Winston last evening – not something I would normally do, but I believe he, even as a Maori, is right”
  Are you saying that Maori are never right about anything or that you are Maori and you’ve never agreed with him before?
  Either stretches the imagination.
  By the way, there’s no need to apologize for listening to him!
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:32am
  - GoVege
    
    I would revise that to “the racist Maori Party are hardly ever right”.
    
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    April 5, 2017 10:30pm
- jcuknz
  
  It is another reason to vote NZFirst come 23/9
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:37am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Me too although I have my doubts about the ex SAS mechanic and bottle washer as well as the rest of the flock to have a sensible coherent thought between them. This is not saying that Winston is any better after lunch.
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:38am
- Happychappy
  
  I heard Winston in Parliament Yesterday and it is alright for him to Slag off Government MP’s but when they give back he throws his toys out of the cot and acts like a spoilt child. Peter’s is past his used by date and should be put out in the paddock to retire.
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:42am
  - Doggie
    
    He never had a use by date. Winnie has been useless all his life. I am embarrased for him when in parliment speaking, he stubbles over his words, hesitates and finds himself clutching at straws when words fail him.
    Its astonds me that people follow and suport him as if he is some kind of god or messiah.
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:54am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  ” if this National Government continue to proceed they will for the first time ever lose our votes.”
  
  Another poor soul prepared to throw the country to the dogs under the coalition of losers because of one small issue which is being blown out of proportion by the MSM.
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:54am
  - PhilBest
    
    “…one small issue which is being blown out of proportion by the MSM…”
    
    Mate, where is the MSM coverage? And this issue is “small”? Winston is right, much as it pains me to say it. Even WhaleOil is saying this.
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:42am
  - Paulus
    
    Sorry you think it is a small issue.
    I may be in the very twilight of my years but I fear for my children and grandchildren.
    
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    April 5, 2017 10:56am
  - marleybob
    
    One small issue you think Capt, Maybe it’s the multitude of issues that are making some people have doubts on this Government.
    
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    April 5, 2017 5:29pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Paulus, Winston like any long term MP wants to leave a legacy. I can only do as he says if he has the balance of power. If he is in such a position he can be deputy either way he goes so he will be pushing for major policy that will change how NZ governed for ever. I am appalled National would rather have the racist Maori Party and even Hone as coalition partners than NZF,
  
  I have written to every National Party MP asking them, one last time, to suspend the RMA reform bill so it can be sorted out properly.
  
  If National does not step away from this separatist abyss the future social and economic deterioration of this country is certain.
  
  In its current form, the bill is a total disaster both for Māori people and this country. It will benefit the elite in Māoridom but not Māori people at the bottom.
  
  https://www.facebook.com/winstonpeters/?fref=ts
  
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  April 5, 2017 9:41am
  - wiseowl
    
    The Bill is the worst legislation I have ever seen.
    The debate last night showed what a pitiful bunch we have in Parliament .
    For Marama Fox to put up an SOP on GE and claim that people of Hawkes Bay supported it was totally misleading.
    The group Pure HB is a small group with their own agenda and there is no support for this move from organisations such as Federated Farmers and other truly representative bodies.
    National have made a huge mistake with this legislation .
    
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    April 5, 2017 10:48am
- GazzaW
  
  I, and I hope hundreds of Kiwibloggers have emailed the PM expressing our thoughts.
  
  b.english@ministers.govt.nz
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:02am
- GoVege
  
  Did everyone really expect the Maori Party to keep on backing National without getting something like this in return?
  
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  April 5, 2017 1:53pm
Allyson

Can anyone tell me what page in the Herald I can find coverage of Andrew Little’s defamation case?
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April 5, 2017 8:16am
- Paulus
  
  Got wet – like Angry – looked not too good in Parliament yesterday – his first question was a farce, as he couldn’t get out quickly enough to get back to Court.
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:19am
  - G152
    
    Probably thought they were talking about him behind his back perhaps ? 🙂
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:16am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    At least it is not far from the court to parliament, short detour via Backbenchers, job done.
    
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    April 5, 2017 1:28pm
- VicParking
  
  Page 6
  Just below the cat show article and above the advert for incontenance pants
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:29am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Mr Little does not require the incontenance pants so much as a nappy!
    
    He is almost up to his neck in number twos!
    
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    April 5, 2017 8:46am
- thedavincimode
  
  The outcome of the case can be found in the adult classifieds:
  
  Hot male, recent makeover, compact physique, outgoing personality and intelligent conversationalist, with or without glasses, available 24/7. $20 per hour.
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:39am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Forgot to mention the ‘liking of a good kicking and humiliation play’ and ‘has own gimp suit’
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:32am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      One of the best movie lines ever: ‘bring out the gimp’ Great great movie ?
      
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      April 5, 2017 9:35am
- Monty
  
  I was wondering exactly the same thing. I am puzzelked bybtge lack of coverage. Things like Bill English making a pizza with spaghetti is far more important. I would imagine if Paula hot a parking ticket it would be all Over the media
  
  I would how angry is feeling as the case moves forward? If a significant judgement goes against him will he be able to remain leader of opposition?
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:45am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Bill’s pizza-making was actually a great bit of trolling against Little and Ardern for the Women’s Weekly article where they talked about their pizza preferences.
    
    The fact that Newshub picked up the Facebook posts and turned them into a news story (albeit of very dubious value) just made it better for English. Well done that man 😎
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A little bit here on Nat radio (RNZ)
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/328176/defamation-case-'my-husband-is-dying-in-christchurch‘
  
  Just heard more detail on Nat Radio.
  Lani Hagaman said there were over 90 reports of Little’s accusations carried by the on-line media, but only 17 on-line media reports of his apology to Earl Hagaman.
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:48am
  - RF
    
    That should be a very important factor for the jury to consider when awarding costs.
    
    Once its front page news, later retractions are just fish and chip wrappings. Hat tip to Jacinda.
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:52am
- GazzaW
  
  Very strange. The case isn’t getting anywhere near the front page (or anywhere else) unlike John Banks’ appearances. No possibility of political bias I suppose?
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:06am
  - Garbageman
    
    A couple of possibilities Gazza
    A: Little being on 8% no-one really gives a rats ass
    B: Media bias and/or no sensationalist headlines to be had as yet
    C: read A again
    
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    April 5, 2017 10:42am
    - sooty
      
      The union has issued its orders!
      
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      April 5, 2017 11:51am
krazykiwi

So Spain tells the UK to ‘cool it’ over Gibraltar, and the very next day they send the Infanta Cristina into the Gibraltar’s territorial waters?

Royal Navy chases Spanish patrol boat out of waters off Gibraltar

A Spanish patrol vessel has been accused of trespassing in Gibraltar’s waters just a day after Madrid called on Britain to calm down over growing tensions about the future of the territory.

The Royal Navy’s HMS Scimitar challenged the vessel and it left.

The Infanta Cristina entered the territory’s waters at around lunchtime on Tuesday in Gibraltar’s government said was an “illegal incursion”.

The incident came only a day after Spain’s foreign minister urged the UK government to keep a cool head over negotiations over Gibraltar’s future, following suggestions from a former Conservative leader that Theresa May would be prepared to go to war to protect the Rock.

The last time the Brits and Spaniards locked horns the paella eaters got swimming lessons.
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April 5, 2017 8:20am
- VicParking
  
  Invade spain
  Will solve the Gibralter problem, the retired Poms problem re Brexit and allow then to arrest half the wanted criminals from the UK.
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:33am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Loved this John Cleese sketch, Alerts to Threats in Europe
    
    Extract:
    
    The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.
    
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    April 5, 2017 8:39am
  - PhilBest
    
    Huh, Spain would be so lucky as to have retired Poms propping up their collapsed market for retirement apartments.
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:49am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Quite right. I never had to fight the British myself but one of my distant relatives had a go at them in Kabul.
  Very formidable fighters.
  
  He shot one of the British soldiers twice with his Jezail but when thy closed in for close combat the British still ran him through with his saber.
  
  Grand grand grand grand uncle survived but never underestimated the English again.
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:27am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Sounds like venerable uncle met Cpl Jones
    
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    April 5, 2017 11:51am
    - Swifty
      
      Those fuzzy wuzzies don’t like it up ’em.
      
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      April 5, 2017 12:15pm
      - mikenmild
        
        The fuzzy wuzzies were in the Sudan, not Afghanistan.
        
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        April 5, 2017 12:40pm
      - ztev
        
        -dan this or -stan that, they were all the same.
        Imperialism arrived at the point of a bayonet.
        
        DPF thinks it was a wonderful thing, not at all like those commies.
        
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        April 5, 2017 12:50pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Mikenmild is correct, the fuzzie-wuzzies were in the Sudan, and Corporal Jones served there twice, first in the original relief force to try to rescue General Gordon, then in the force led by Kitchener to conquer the Sudan.
        
        Jones also served in India (probably the 3rd Pathan war), South Africa, and throughout WW1.
        
        Just FWIW.
        
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        April 5, 2017 2:39pm
      - cha
        
        Not to be confused with these blokes.
        
        ‘Fuzzy Wuzzy Angels’
        
        Many a mother in Australia
        when the busy day is done
        Sends a prayer to the Almighty
        for the keeping of her son
        Asking that an angel guide him
        and bring him safely back
        Now we see those prayers are answered
        on the Owen Stanley Track
        
        For they haven’t any halos
        only holes slashed in their ears
        And their faces worked by tattoos
        with scratch pins in their hair
        Bringing back the badly wounded
        just as steady as a horse
        Using leaves to keep the rain off
        and as gentle as a nurse
        
        Slow and careful in the bad places
        on the awful mountain track
        The look upon their faces
        would make you think Christ was black
        Not a move to hurt the wounded
        as they treat him like a saint
        It’s a picture worth recording
        that an artist’s yet to paint
        
        Many a lad will see his mother
        and husbands see their wives
        Just because the fuzzy wuzzy
        carried them to save their lives
        From mortar bombs and machine gun fire
        or chance surprise attacks
        To the safety and the care of doctors
        at the bottom of the track
        
        May the mothers of Australia
        when they offer up a prayer
        Mention those impromptu angels
        with their fuzzy wuzzy hair.
        
        – Bert Beros
        
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        April 5, 2017 2:57pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    He should have bought a revolver.
    
    (Although, to his credit, it sounds like he was a bit of a wiz in the snappy reloading department).
    
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    April 5, 2017 12:32pm
Simon

Driving in Auckland last night and there are electronic signs warning of wet surfaces and to keep a safe distance.

There should be a system where anyone who didn’t think to keep a safe distance before reading the signs should automatically lose their drivers licence.
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April 5, 2017 8:22am
- cmm
  
  Quite.
  
  Warnings like this are stupid. People should already understand driving to conditions.
  
  What happens when the sign fails? Are people going to use the excuse that the sign didn’t warn them to keep a safe distance so it is the council/Ministry of Transport’s fault?
  
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  April 5, 2017 9:02am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Blame it on being sad and your dog died a year ago. Problem solved.
    
    It helps if you’re Maori.
    
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    April 5, 2017 10:46am
Simon

Andrew Little defamation hearing. What a spaz.
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April 5, 2017 8:25am
- MCos
  
  I know these days it’s pc to be unpc, but I thought expressions like that were no longer kosher
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:50am
  - kowtow
    
    Kosher is so yesterday. With our institutionalised hatred of all things “Israel” and our love of all things Muslim we should be saying Halal .
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:12am
    - MCos
      
      Suit yourself
      
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      April 5, 2017 9:17am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      I agree, I find MCos’s pro Israeli stance very disturbing .
      
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      April 5, 2017 10:29am
VicParking

The failing newspaper and its puppet Runman have come out with an OPINION article call for an equiry on Hagars fiction Hit & miss.
As usual it contains the following to prove his point:
?military had been able to sell the lie that it was all the figment of the fevered imaginations of a couple of conspiracy theorists.
? reasonably possible,
? civilians might have suffered,
? unnamed friend of
? is possible that
? might be uncovered
? might have been civilian casulties
? carefully edited clips from
? The military says everything smells of roses.
? And with US President Donald Trump now threatening to “handle” North Korea, the sooner we know what the SAS gets up to abroad the
? Next stop North Korea?
If this is not enough bullshit one can read articles with the following hard hitting headlines
?Butter or margarine? One of them is deadly
?A new sex position every week
?Why Kate Middleton dresses like women twice her age
?Simpsons star ‘burned with hatred’ after losing starring role on Friends
?Zombie fears cripple village
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April 5, 2017 8:27am
- publicwatchdog
  
  Missed my simple solution?
  
  CROSS-REFERENCE THE SAS ‘INSURGENT HIT LIST’ WITH THE LAWYERS’ DEAD CIVILIANS LIST!
  
  Here’s a bit of blinding commonsense.
  
  Didn’t ‘OUR’ NZ SAS have an (alleged) insurgent ‘hit list’ – with names of those whom they were targeting for Operation Burnham, on 22 August 2010?
  
  Don’t the above-mentioned lawyers, acting for Afghan villagers have a list of alleged civilians, who were killed during Operation Burnham on 22 August 2010?
  
  BRAINWAVE!!
  
  How about ‘cross-referencing’ those two lists?
  
  If none of those dead villagers match the list of targeted ‘insurgents’ – surely THAT evidence supports an independent inquiry?
  
  Has the NZDF cross-referenced these two lists?
  
  Has NZ Prime Minister Bill English?
  
  If not – why not?
  
  I’m prepared to offer my services (pro bono) to assist with this exercise.
  
  It should arguably take no more than ten minutes?
  
  Penny Bright
  
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  April 5, 2017 1:42pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    It only takes 3 minutes to pay your fucking rates Penny dear.
    
    I am prepared to offer my services (sans boner) to assist.
    
    What say you?
    
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    April 5, 2017 1:50pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Who cares and who listens to a loser and tosser not so bright penny.
    
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    April 5, 2017 2:00pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Hit List: Mohammed, Mohamed, Muhammed, Mohammad, Mohammed.
    
    Civilians: other Mohammed, other Mohamed, other Muhammed, other Mohammad, other Mohammed.
    
    No, it won’t work.
    
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    April 5, 2017 3:41pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’m prepared to offer my services (pro bono) to assist with this exercise.
    
    Such a practical offer. I’m only guessing, but I suspect the busy Mr English would prefer to gnaw his right arm off rather than subject himself to your services.
    
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    April 5, 2017 3:56pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    For goodness sake woman will you STOP SHOUTING AT ME IN CAPITAL LETTERS.
    
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    April 5, 2017 8:09pm
    - publicwatchdog
      
      Thanks for reading my post 😉
      
      Penny Bright
      
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      April 5, 2017 11:14pm
Happychappy

So the media don’t seem to be happy about the Labour Leaders predicament and are going all out to lesson the blow with stories about he is holding himself responsible for what has been said and as a opposition Leader that is his job to hold the government to task. Well they never gave John Key the leeway that they give Andrew Little and they sure as he’ll didn’t give Colin Craig the same soft treatment that the Little man with the big mouth is being accorded so it makes me wonder if the media have a stake in this game. Why are the media not digging to find out where the money is coming from to pay for Little’something discretion.
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April 5, 2017 8:30am
- ztev
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Careful there, dont you know the censors are out deleting stuff that ‘might’ have a connection to a current trial’ ~~but its OK if you say bad things about Little~~
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:34am
  - stephen2d
    
    Unlike you, he is not defaming anyone.
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:04am
    - ztev
      
      What , highlighting an article in the Press from 10 years ago. It was all cut and paste from story. Not connected to current case, I didnt use anything about their hotels.
      Cest la vie, the moderators do what they do.
      
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      April 5, 2017 9:52am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    You’re a fine one to talk ztev, after all but accusing Lani Hagaman of perjury yesterday.
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:17am
    - ztev
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Dont be such a dope. When you get to 90 you are likely to have 4 or 5 illnesses that will kill you, evenutually
      I have terminal cancer too- another 30 years time, the doctor said.
      My dad had some asbestos thing in his lungs that supposed to eventually kill him, but it was Pneumonia at 85 that did it.
      
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      April 5, 2017 9:48am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        You really do have a nasty streak, don’t you ztev. Mrs Hagaman has given evidence, under oath, that her husband has been given only a few weeks to live.
        
        If you have evidence that she has committed perjury, put it up. If you don’t, shut up.
        
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        April 5, 2017 10:21am
      - ztev
        
        Well that might put the IRS off for good too.
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:04am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Well it is true the IRS left Matt McCarten alone when he was “dying” of cancer.
        
        Made a remarkable recovery, I must admit.
        
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        April 5, 2017 1:52pm
  - stigie
    
    Fuck me, almost to 30 downticks again..?
    
    At the Stranded, he would be banned for less !~
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:35am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The Stranded will ban one for logging on if it is having a bad hair day which is pretty much all of them!
      
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      April 5, 2017 11:57am
- VicParking
  
  They all went silent for a few days while their “Journalists” thought up an angle to make Andy the Libour leader come out smelling of Red Roses.
  
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  April 5, 2017 8:40am
mikenmild

There is a local paper, Regional News that has been around in Wellington for a year or so. I occasionally look through it.
This week, it has a very interesting full-page ad on the back for a book. The book, Prison Planet Revelations blows the lids on the shape-shifting reptilian aliens who live among us. The Queen is one.
The ad helpfully gives the name of the author, Denis Goodwin, and his address and phone number! So any Kiwibloggers in Taranaki might want to visit Okato should they wish to stock up on tinfoil helmets.
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April 5, 2017 8:45am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  I thought you were about to say that the authors were, ztev, yoza and penny bright.
  
  I must say, joking aside, that I think those on the left should take up writing as they currently create some really cool way out weird conspiracy fantasy comments in here.
  
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  April 5, 2017 9:06am
  - itstricky
    
    Let’s reuse that link just one more time.
    
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:45am
- VicParking
  
  Is it online, have you a link.
  I have a new tinfoil design that is more effective and also have a bucket of dead flys to feed my masters.
  
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  April 5, 2017 9:07am
  - mikenmild
    
    http://www.prisonplanetrevelations.com
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:25am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Well since the cheese factory closed in Okato the place has lost it’s mojo so at least selling tinfoil hats might be a growth industry.
  However he will have stiff competition as just down the road is the little commie Swiss boy who desperately wants to be a Maori and he has had this market cornered for a long time now.
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:08am
- Ed Snack
  
  Remember Mike, you must vote for one of those lizards, or THE WRONG LIZARD COULD GET IN !
  
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  April 5, 2017 11:04am
- thedavincimode
  
  The Queen is one.
  
  Any mention of the drunken dwarf milky? Any winston 1st voters, colin craig?
  
  I’ve always thought craig was somewhat reptilian so he’s an easy spot. The dwarf is so old and impaired – I think his suits serve the same function as Darth Vader’s getup. I reckon that has to be a phony head – rip it off and you’d probably just find a shriveled up martini olive plugged into his shoulders with a cocktail stick. Maybe one with a little umbrella ‘cos he likes to look smart.
  
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  April 5, 2017 1:00pm
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/91218400/the-inventor-of-the-web-explains-why-you-should-not-use-a-vpn

Tim Berners-Lee has done some interesting stuff, but he is wrong here.

Regardless of whether or not ISPs are spying on you, others are. Use a VPN gives you some security against that.

To tell people to not use a VPN because people should not spy on you is like telling people to not lock their front door because people shouldn’t steal from you.
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April 5, 2017 9:15am
- krazykiwi
  
  I use a VPN, with a random IP allocation mechanism. It can be interesting going to Google’s homepage and seeing it render in Ukrainian 🙂
  
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  April 5, 2017 9:32am
Stars And Stripes

NZ’s tighter immigration policies lead to big fall in Pacific migration
http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/328187/nz's-tighter-immigration-policies-lead-to-big-fall-in-pacific-migration
“Figures released to RNZ International show that the number of Pacific people allowed into the country has dropped by 28 percent in the capped family residence category, and in the skilled migrant category, since 2012”.

Should have been implemented a long time ago by the government as poorly educated immigrants with no skills or money are not the sort New Zealand needs and a lot end up just being a drain on the country.
Probably actually needs cutting back further.
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April 5, 2017 9:27am
- kowtow
  
  Might be fewer typhoid outbreaks and less pressure on the kidney machines……..
  
  ……got to be a good thing.
  
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  April 5, 2017 9:37am
  - itstricky
    
    On the other hand, the country would have to spend many millions extra on truck loads of medication for treating sanctimonious monologue disease.
    
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    April 5, 2017 9:51am
- Rachael Membery
  
  I was wondering how typhoid cases are dealt with in the home countries of the ill? I would imagine not as well as here.
  
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  April 5, 2017 11:25am
  - cmm
    
    I don’t think they live long enough to become a “case”.
    
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    April 5, 2017 11:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    For Samoa…
    
    Not as well as here..
    serious cases are treated with antibiotics.
    
    Their Government has been talking about vaccinations for the entire population for some years.. but it hasn’t happened yet.
    http://www.coalitionagainsttyphoid.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/41.Naseri.8TC.pdf
    
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    April 5, 2017 11:56am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Do they notify everyone who has contact with the patient? There does seem to have been some cultural advice given by the Pastor about telling the congregation etc and upsetting the mourning process.
      
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      April 5, 2017 1:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I suppose the folks in the congregation will know each other, but the worry is, who else in the Mt Roskill environs will they have come in contact with?
        
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        April 5, 2017 3:23pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        I can only reply to myself or report you Maggy, I agree absolutely, I just think that the family is the one who has that information not the hospital, dare I say should be more familiar with the disease too.
        I find it hard to believe that the patient and the family were not aware of the typhoid at the hospital.
        They should have told people, or is it one of ‘those’ diseases that people do not want to admit to having?
        I do agree with Jonathon Coleman that he should have been told by the hospital.
        My comment was more that noone seems to take responsibility for doing anything themselves and expect others to do it, NZ authorities anyway.
        I was more musing on whether the authorities have that responsibility in the islands.
        
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        April 5, 2017 5:41pm
waripori

I made a comment yesterday that Susan Rices requests for “unmasking” of US citizens caught up in comms intercepts occurred after the election so nothing to do with political espionage in terms of Trump being elected or not. All on Red asked for the source but I did not pick that up until this morning.

“A third possibility is that Rice was conducting political espionage—affirming Trump’s allegations of a Watergate-style operation. It’s hard to guess to what end she would have been doing that, though, and in any case all reported surveillance occurred after the election, contrary to Trump’s allegations.”

It is from and Atlantic Monthly article by David Graham.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/did-susan-rice-ask-to-unmask-trump-officials/521688/
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April 5, 2017 9:35am
- All_on_Red
  
  Thanks for that Waripori. I did a little more digging myself. These comments from former US Attorney DiGenova contradict the claim in The Atlantic- which has no attribution.
  
  “Former President Barack Obama’s national security adviser Susan Rice ordered U.S. spy agencies to produce “detailed spreadsheets” of legal phone calls involving Donald Trump and his aides when he was running for president, according to former U.S. Attorney Joseph diGenova.
  
  “What was produced by the intelligence community at the request of Ms. Rice were detailed spreadsheets of intercepted phone calls with unmasked Trump associates in perfectly legal conversations with individuals,”said DiGenova
  “The overheard conversations involved no illegal activity by anybody of the Trump associates, or anyone they were speaking with,” diGenova said. “In short, the only apparent illegal activity was the unmasking of the people in the calls.”
  Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/03/susan-rice-ordered-spy-agencies-to-produce-detailed-spreadsheets-involving-trump/#ixzz4dJtUugTl
  Ok, The Atlantic is left leaning and the DC right, but this is a direct quote from a former US Attorney.
  
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  April 5, 2017 9:50am
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    Maybe. The question was when were the requests made ( before or after the election ) Nothing in Digenova’s comment refers to that.
    The problem is that this information is classified and no one in a position to know is in a position to comment.
    
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    April 5, 2017 10:40am
    - mikenmild
      
      As I noted yesterday, whether is was before or after the election is immaterial, as Rice was well within her responsibilities to see the source of the intercepts.
      
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      April 5, 2017 10:47am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Mikey
        I’ve stated before that Rice was entitled to request un masking. Share that info with media?- no.
        But why did she want to know? For security or political purposes?
        Her job was gathering info not enforcement so it’s more likely political.
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:10am
      - Ross12
        
        That maybe the case MM but they often got into the President’s daily briefings which got spread around about 30 odd people —did they all have the relevant security clearances ?
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:11am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Where there’s no acknowledged illegality or even impropriety ? Really, Rice is entitled to know who is talking to a range of people just because they are associated with an incoming President of a different party ? And you think this is OK ? So Nixon was right in fact to want the CIA to run surveillance over the Pentagon Papers release as it was “within his rights” to know who Ellsberg was talking to and who he was conspiring with ?
        
        Notice how the spin has changed, and how the MSM sat on this story for 48 hours until a blogger was tipped off about it.
        
        It’s early days yet, but I’d consider this a bigger potential scandal than Watergate, although in the eyes of the MSM and the furiously spinning Democrat publicity machine it’s nothing remarkable at all.
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:11am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Another interesting little point – Susan Rice denied ever knowing about unmasking US citizens in an interview recorded just a couple of weeks ago; she’s changed her story now that of course she knew but it was perfectly legitimate.
        
        From what we’ve seen, she’s a practiced serial liar who simply cannot be trusted on anything she says. Recalling her public performances blaming Benghazi on a video (which we know that she knew was false) and other performances, nothing she says can be trusted.
        
        And there’s no doubt that this goes straight back to Obama as well; he’s implicated thoroughly in the scandal. Maybe he best stay in Tahiti for a while.
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:43am
      - ztev
        
        There you go again Ed reading rubbish from alt-right
        
        “As to the allegations of so-called unmasking by anyone in the Obama administration, Rice also made clear that “unmasking” does not mean identities become public. “I leaked nothing to nobody. And never would,” she said on Tuesday. “People seem to think asking for the ID of an American person is the same as leaking, and that is absolutely false.” Rice explained that the names are instead made visible within the intelligence report to those who have been authorized to read such documents.”
        
        Its all done on computers, one click and you read the names.
        
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        April 5, 2017 12:57pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        ztev, I’m sure you haven’t missed the very “semantic” nature of Rice’s denial – “I never leaked nothing to nobody”. On that she’s literally correct, but really, with here record of utter dishonesty nothing she claims can be taken seriously at all.
        
        In addition to the porkies above, she also claimed the Bowe Bergdhal was lost (captured) in action and praised his devotion to duty !
        
        She’s played the part of Obama’s lying waterboy before and continues to do so.
        
        What’s worse, the Russians hacking a Democrat Party bigwig (Podesta) (and the DNC’s emails it should be added) and enabling the unredacted release of these emails showing what the Democrats really thought of the electorate; or a sitting President conspiring with the intelligence services to make life difficult for his successor from a different party ?
        
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        April 5, 2017 2:50pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Waripori
      What don’t you understand about “when he was running for President”?
      That means before the Election because after he won he wasn’t running anymore…
      
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      April 5, 2017 11:07am
      - waripori
        
        Don’t want to be pedantic but he seems to be talking about comms intercepted during the campaign. He does not say that Rices requests for the names of the individuals caught up in the comms were made during the campaign.
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:39am
      - ztev
        
        She didnt ‘request anything’
        its just the higher your security clearance the more detail you can see
        
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        April 5, 2017 1:00pm
- Scott
  
  Once again Trump is right!
  Obama national security adviser Susan Rice implicated in surveillance of Trump transition team.
  
  Even MSNBC Morning Joe thinks this is really serious. And when the former Obama administration has lost MSNBC then there is something there there!
  
  https://www.yahoo.com/tv/morning-joe-accuses-ny-times-downplaying-susan-rice-135510788.html
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:25am
- Ross12
  
  waripori
  I think whatever was going on,started before the election date but even if it is only after the election it is still a major issue.
  Here is another take on it based on Rice’s interview MSNBC — I’m not saying I “buy ” it all but it adds to the discussion
  https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/04/04/susan-rice-confirms-her-unmasking-requests-were-for-president-obamas-daily-briefing-pdb/
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:47am
rightoverlabour

If what this lady says is true, ( not being helped) then the ferals who live out there need to be ashamed of themselves.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/91217934/woman-aquaplanes-crashes-in-waikato-floodwaters-during-cummute
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April 5, 2017 9:38am
krazykiwi

The Syrian government has just used chemical gas on its own people, and a few hours later called in an airstrike on a clinic treating many of the victims.

Disgusting.

Putin will be applauding the experiment, and the UN will be far too busy drafting resolutions condemning Israel for their overdue library books policy or some such.
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April 5, 2017 9:41am
- Andrei
  
  Whenever the Godless Evil empire is loosing it brings out a bogus chemical attack
  
  Meanwhile the empire is flattening Mosul and the silence over that matter is deafening
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:06am
  - rangitoto
    
    Mosul is being recaptured by Shia forces who are Assad and Iranian allies but they are backed by the US – go figure.
    
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    April 5, 2017 11:02am
    - ztev
      
      Well of course any US airstrikes that hit civilians- it must be a broken something that did it.
      
      The time the US hammered a marked hospital in Afghanistan city was a dozy, apparently half a dozen things were broken…. and takeoff was late- that did it
      
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      April 5, 2017 11:08am
  - SPC
    
    Decode speak, using chemical weapons is the Russian God winning, Godless losers complain about the use of chemical weapons.
    
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    April 5, 2017 4:19pm
- Tirebiter
  
  That’s war for you.
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:29am
- Paulus
  
  I assume that these gasses are what Saddam Hussein delivered to Syria, through the desert before the invasion of Iraq.
  The carrying trucks were found empty in the desert.
  
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  April 5, 2017 11:05am
  - ztev
    
    Why would he do that. Syria always had its own chemical weapons.
    
    Syria chemical weapons disarmament deal [2014]
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23876085
    ‘France has said it believes Syria has several hundreds of tonnes of sulphur mustard, several hundreds of tonnes of sarin, and several tens of tonnes of the more potent and persistent nerve agent, VX.’
    
    There you go paulus try having real news for a change
    
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    April 5, 2017 1:05pm
Fairfacts Media

Here’s a curious tale.
An NZ study shows the more you read about world affairs, the more ‘Islamophobic’ you become.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/islamophobic-read-news-more-racist-study-muslim-terrorism-radical-isis-plos-one-new-zealanders-a7663861.html
Oh, it seems you knew already, but surely NZ media is not Islamophoic. Surely, the more we know, the more there is to fear of this barbaric ideaology.
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April 5, 2017 9:46am
- PhilBest
  
  “…the more you read about world affairs, the more ‘Islamophobic’ you become…”
  
  And the more mistrustful of the “religion of peace” narrative, including every media institution that promotes it. They must wish they could get away with not even covering terror attacks and rising crime and all the rest of it, they are having to swallow dead rats by actually telling us this stuff at the same time as frantically promoting the “religion of peace”, “multiculturalism is unconditionally good” narrative.
  
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  April 5, 2017 9:56am
- krazykiwi
  
  I guess unless you read about Islamic extremism in the media, the only time you’re likely to learn about it is when some psychopath detonates his coat filled with Semtex and nails next to you in the train.
  
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  April 5, 2017 9:58am
- cmm
  
  Where’s the surprise in that.
  
  The people who read the most news are the people who want to be the most informed.
  
  Informed people realise there’s more to Islam than butterflies and rose water.
  
  It would be a stretch to call it islamaphobia though. A phobia is an irrational fear. Fear of islam is surely a rational fear.
  
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  April 5, 2017 11:54am
rightoverlabour

Typical sloppy reporting by the herald.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11832042

The lack of detail is astounding especially in reference to school closures etc. Not going back there as they are useless.
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April 5, 2017 9:59am
- AgentBallSack
  
  At least they don’t have “associated material” on autoplay on all stories like Fairfax does. I can’t go to Stuff any more the constant bandwidth drag locks me up. For that reason I read the Herald more often now, despite the horrific font.
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:51am
Doggie

Why is Little getting a free ride by MSM regarding his court case. Had the case been reversed I suspect he would be in the front page incuding photos with the Hagamans tarred and feathered by the peaceful Bradford and her mates.
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April 5, 2017 10:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Because the MSM is partisan.
  
  There’s not much chance for ordinary Kiwis to reestablish their reputation once they’ve been put through the media wringer.
  
  Whether he wins or loses the case, the MSM will highlight the heroic stance Little has taken; the plight of his victims will be overlooked.
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:22am
  - itstricky
    
    Whether he wins or loses the case, the MSM will highlight the heroic stance Little has taken; the plight of his victims will be overlooked.
    
    Doesn’t seem that way to me.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11831563
    
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    April 5, 2017 10:54am
    - Paulus
      
      Having difficulty in currently believing that he will be found not guilty as some recent judgements beggar belief.
      
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      April 5, 2017 11:07am
      - ztev
        
        Its a jury in Red Wellington Central that will decide whether is a labour leader or wealthy hoteliers will win this
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:21am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Ah, so it’s OK with you ztev to libel a person as long as they have money ? And libel them for some gutter political purposes ? That’s a pretty despicable sort of morality, but I must say a typical one on the left.
        
        So OK then to smear you with some unsavoury act then or does the smearer have to have the “right” political orientation to get away with it ?
        
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        April 5, 2017 2:53pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Ed Snack
        
        You accused me a month or so ago of being a liar and when events (Trump’s temporary EO stymied by the courts) had proved me correct, you never retracted, including when invited.
        
        Care to address that (and I quote you) “smear” now, Mr Sanctimonious Hypocrite…
        
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        April 5, 2017 3:02pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Finally, I guess they are waiting for facts not just making stuff up?
      
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      April 5, 2017 12:17pm
  - itstricky
    
    And here, which seems pretty anti-Little:
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11831045
    
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    April 5, 2017 11:00am
- itstricky
  
  Why is Little getting a free ride by MSM regarding his court case
  
  Probably this other woman, called Debbie, I’d say.
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:23am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    So the Cyclone was all Little’s fault to take attention away from his case?
    
    I must say, that I didn’t realise that he had grown that powerful…
    
    or was it just the the media have blown the cyclone bigger than it is to take the attention off the case?
    
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    April 5, 2017 10:56am
    - itstricky
      
      Good God, break out the tinfoil hats!
      
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      April 5, 2017 11:01am
      - mikenmild
        
        I see the Labour Party apparatchiks have tricked the Mayor of Whanganui into declaring a state of emergency to keep the court case off the front page.
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:04am
      - ztev
        
        Plus theres that thing new fangled thing newspapers use to move stories off their websites
        No one reads it- its gone
        
        I was surprised at the amount of coverage the Hager book got, no celebrities , all he said ,they said.
        Then I saw it displayed on the counter at Whitcoulls, a hot selling space.
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:25am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      Just for those that can’t work it out… my comments were meant as satire.
      
      Please please please can we have a face palm icon to choose!!
      
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      April 5, 2017 11:08am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Dafixeruppa, the recognised symbol on KB for satire is: //
        you’re welcome. ?
        
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        April 5, 2017 1:51pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Perhaps Hager’s epistle was meant to be a distraction, perhaps that is why the media still give it oxygen? Since it had nothing to do with Key apparently.
    
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    April 5, 2017 12:27pm
Stars And Stripes

Wellington Mayor Justin Lester’s bizarre office workout
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/04/core-blimey-wellington-mayor-justin-lester-s-bizarre-office-workout.html

Just get a Chinese chick lying under you on the table Justin and then you will be up there with Auckland’s most famous fitness fanatic.
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April 5, 2017 10:33am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: David Murray warns of a 1890’s housing crash depression … MacroBusiness Australia

David Murray warns of 1890s housing crash depression – MacroBusiness

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/04/david-murray-warns-of-1890s-housing-crash-depression/

God bless David Murray. Somehow this goes virtually unreported today:

The chairman of the government’s Financial System Inquiry, former Future Fund chairman David Murray, yesterday sounded a further alarm on the housing boom, saying a crisis on the scale of the 1890s great property collapse could not be ruled out. “What people should do is look at the 1890s, which was caused by a housing land boom,” he told The Australian. “To say it won’t happen and simply ignore it is wrong.”

Half of the nation’s banks closed their doors following the 1890s crash. “Many people say a crisis has a low probability of ¬occurrence, but the problem with that view is that whatever the probability, the severity can be very high if it occurs,” Mr Murray, who is also a former Commonwealth Bank chief executive, said. “It shouldn’t be allowed to grow … it’s too big a risk to take.” … read more via hyperlink above …

Is the Auckland land bubble about to burst? – NZ NBR / MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/auckland-land-bubble-burst/

… back September 2015 Reserve Bank of New Zealand Governor Graeme Wheeler had this to say …

AUCKLAND MARKET IN DANGER ZONE – RB – RADIO NEW ZEALAND

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/283784/auckland-market-in-danger-zone-rb

… extract …

But Mr Wheeler this afternoon told MPs the faster house prices rose in Auckland, the greater the likelihood of a steep price reversal.

He (Reserve Bank of New Zealand Governor Graeme Wheeler) said Auckland house prices were not sustainable.

“The house price to income ratio for Auckland is at nine. It’s twice that for the rest of the country,” he said.

“A ratio of nine puts you, according to Demographia figures, in the top 10 most expensive cities in the world.

“This is just dangerous territory.” …

… check graphs at top of …

Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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April 5, 2017 10:40am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … Now for some real market pricing … study closely Kiwibloggers …
  
  Meantime folks … an update from the Mago Lar development, Texas City, Houston – Galveston …
  
  Residential Boom Bolsters Texas City – Houston Chronicle / Construction Equipment Guide
  
  http://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/residential-boom-bolsters-texas-city/33599
  
  Texas City, better known for petrochemical landscapes than landscaped subdivisions, is poised for an unprecedented growth spurt as the region’s residential boom continues its southward advance.
  
  The Houston Chronicle reports the transformation of a vast expanse of interstate-fronting prairie into a mixed-use commercial hub began with a fancy outlet mall and a sprawling Buc-ee’s. It continues with the 3,300-acre Lago Mar subdivision, now in the early stages, that eventually will add up to 7,000 homes on the edge of the Galveston Bayside town. To top it off, construction of an adjacent amusement park is now under way.
  
  Texas City officials predict that by the time Lago Mar is filled up, an estimated 15 years from now, the development will have added as many as 12,000 residents to the city’s current population of about 48,000. By comparison, the city added about 7,000 people between 1990 and 2017. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  Lago Mar | Homes for Sale near League City, TX
  
  http://lagomarintexascity.com/?gclid=CNrnq6StidMCFYSYvAodqIgMDw
  
  Lago Mar in Texas City, TX, New Homes & Floor Plans by CastleRock Communities
  
  https://www.newhomesource.com/communitydetail/builder-9404/community-96386#refer=GPPC600&gclid=CLzL-M6tidMCFdgGKgodD6cLlg
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:44am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Welcome back Hugh.
    Is there any likelihood of your posts ever being readable?
    Do you ever write a summary yourself and then point to the other documents as the source? or do you only ever cut and paste?
    
    Can I suggest that in future is you want to make a point that you do the following:
    1. Create a suitable click bait heading
    2. Create a summary of no more than 2-3 paragraphs of your intended post
    3. Create a couple of paragraphs explaining a proposed solution to the problem that you are highlighting and lastly
    4. Put in the hyperlinks to your sources.
    
    I hope this helps 🙂
    
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    April 5, 2017 11:00am
    - cmm
      
      5. Then hit delete.
      
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      April 5, 2017 11:09am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Sorry, I missed that step.
        
        If I posted half of what I type up… I would be banned before I even start.
        
        I remember advice a boss gave me many years ago.
        “Never write anything when you are angry but if you do, then write it, delete it, re-write it, delete it and repeat until you have cooled down. Then and only then can you consider writing the final version to submit.”
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:14am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Dafixeruppa
      Let me help. Here’s a Summary of Hugh’s Posts
      1. House prices go up or down over time for a variety of reasons
      2. Either way, it’s John Key’s fault
      4. Here’s some Links I will post everyday for a week
      5. It’s all John Key’s fault
      6. Aren’t I great? Here’s some Links to where I repeat the above
      
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      April 5, 2017 11:22am
      - ztev
        
        Well he did promise to tackle high house prices , back before the 2008 election.
        Apparently it was something called the RMA and Councils which were causing all the problems …in 2007.
        The guy couldnt lift a hammer to save himself wasnt the least of his problems.
        
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        April 5, 2017 11:29am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Unlike your boss ztev who could help himself but chose not to.
        
        Pick a number, any number between 1 and 10,000,000 and see how close you are to the damages figure
        
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        April 5, 2017 12:12pm
      - stigie
        
        Are you going to “Give a little” to Angry Little Ztrev..?
        
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        April 5, 2017 12:39pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Well he did promise to tackle high house prices , back before the 2008 election.’
        
        And prices have eased (in Auckland anyway). So job done. Enjoy your retirement John.
        
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        April 5, 2017 12:41pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Capt Costa Concordia Key certainly abandoned ship at about the last moment.
        
        Do check out the new section ‘Gone Gone Going’ on my archival website Performance Urban Planning …
        
        http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
        
        My own view is that Capt Costa Concordia Key took the advice of his mentor, former Australian PM John Howard early 2009, to forget about housing inflation.
        
        Howard’s sidekick former Australian Federal Treasurer Peter Costello had done the same thing earlier … in abandoning ship on housing issues.
        
        That followed Costello launching Dr Alan Moran of the Melbourne based Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) book ‘The Tragedy Of Planning’.
        
        Howard told Costello in no unertain terms to forget the subject of housing.
        
        Costello had been hardwired since birth to say ‘yes.’
        
        The funny thing is that following his forgettable political career, Howard gave idiotic speeches around the planet, trying to re-write history in that he was some sort of great reformer !
        
        It was hugely embarrassing.
        
        These three should seriously consider forming the REPTILIAN ANTIPODEAN TORIES SOCIETY … RATS for short.
        
        The Three Fakes have done enormous damage to their political parties.
        
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        April 5, 2017 4:14pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Australian leader promises help on housing affordability – Business – NZ Herald News
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11832601
        
        CANBERRA, Australia (AP) ” Australia’s prime minister is fending off criticism over tax concessions for investors in booming urban property markets after a central banker warned soaring house prices could threaten the economy.
        
        Housing affordability has become a hot-button issue with many first-time buyers priced out of the market, especially in Sydney and Melbourne, Australia’s largest cities.
        
        Speaking Wednesday, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull told reporters the government’s budget for the next fiscal year, to be announced in May, will include measures to help home buyers.
        
        But he blamed state and local governments for causing prices to rise by not releasing enough land for housing construction.
        
        Reserve Bank of Australia governor Philip Lowe has raised concerns about a possible housing crisis as household incomes fail to keep pace with mortgage costs.
        
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        April 5, 2017 9:14pm
      - Sponge
        
        Absolutely fascinating Hugh, please tell us more….
        
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        April 5, 2017 10:51pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Another day without any customers and no work to do Hugh? Have you considered going on the game?
  
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  April 5, 2017 1:04pm
Dafixeruppa

Face palm icon.

Based on the responses and inability of people on here to understand satire as well as the inability for some people to write a coherent response to anything, I believe that we are in need of more options than just up or down tick.
Can I please propose the creation of a face palm icon to allow us to neither up or down tick a comment, but simply indicate the shear stupidity of it?

Thank you in advance.
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April 5, 2017 11:03am
- Ed Snack
  
  I find adding a /s tag at the end sometimes works, FWIW.
  
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  April 5, 2017 11:14am
  - ztev
    
    Heresa usefull thing for your comments Ed,as they are usually either wrong, or so wrong using
    ~~blather~~
    
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    April 5, 2017 11:30am
    - Ed Snack
      
      You really, really, hate being called on your bullshit, don’t you ztev. Sucks to be you…
      
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      April 5, 2017 3:08pm
- mikenmild
  
  You are talking about Poe’s Law:
  
  Without a clear indication of the author’s intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of extremism.
  
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  April 5, 2017 11:40am
  - Kimbo
    
    So think before you gush, and if you do, gush with obvious intent?
    
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    April 5, 2017 11:47am
  - itstricky
    
    True dat. I don’t put it past some KBers to literally think the MSM has a conspiracy running to replace Little’s legal battle with storm coverage. Thus Mr Fixit got lost in the garble of a non-visual, non-oral, medium.
    
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    April 5, 2017 12:23pm
- SPC
  
  sheer, face palm.
  
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  April 5, 2017 4:09pm
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/91216578/sweden-pm-stefan-lofven-finds-gendersegregated-school-bus-disgusting

Sweden realises you have to make a choice: equality OR Islam.

Can’t have both!
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April 5, 2017 11:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  From the story:
  
  In Sweden “we take the bus together whether you are a girl or a boy, a woman or a man,” Lofven [the PM] said. “This suggests that we have more to tackle when it comes to segregation.”
  
  No. That you have segregation at all is a major problem, only eclipsed by the fact that you appear to have only just noticed.
  
  Perhaps you could pop out for a chat with the locals in Rosengård one evening?
  
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  April 5, 2017 1:12pm
chiz

So Syria has used chemical weapons on its own citizens again and some of them apparently survived the initial strike. In the event that there any journalists reading kiwiblog today, this would be an excellent opportunity to help the Green Party get some free publicity by ringing up Steffan Browning and asking him – in a personal capacity rather than in his former spokesman capacity – whether he thinks these survivors should be treated with homeopathy. If you can treat Ebola with magic water surely you can treat chemical weapons too.
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April 5, 2017 1:10pm
ztev

cant wait for the upcoming jury defamation trial
Colin Craig V Slater

then there is Sellman,Swinburn, Bradbrook V Slater, Graham, Katherine Rich, Facilitate Communications
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April 5, 2017 1:15pm
- Swifty
  
  Me too.
  
  Defamers deserve their comeuppance.
  
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  April 5, 2017 1:48pm
krazykiwi

An amazing woman:

How Feriha Peracha de-radicalised nearly 200 potential terrorists

When clinical psychologist Feriha Peracha was asked by the Pakistan Army in 2009 to drive up to the Swat Valley and profile 12 young Islamist radicals, she was terrified.
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She wore a headscarf and face veil but it wasn’t long before these coverings came off as her fear gave way to sympathy.
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The boys, aged between eight and 16, were brainwashed. They had barely any ability to think for themselves. They had been rote-taught the Koran in Arabic, a language they otherwise didn’t understand.
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It was the beginning of Dr Peracha’s involvement in a Pakistan Army project that has since deprogrammed and reintegrated 192 former young radicals with a zero recidivism rate. One former US counter-terrorism chief has described the project’s work as “incredible”.
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Radicalised children are typically in the lowest 5 per cent of the population for logical and critical thinking skills, Dr Peracha said.

Zero recidivism is a pretty good result!

SMH Pro tip: If you've used your 'free' articles, simply open the link in an Incognito window.
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April 5, 2017 1:38pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  I find suicide bombing has a low recidivism rate too.
  
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  April 5, 2017 1:58pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Wonder if she could have success with this Belgian convert?
  http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/03/europe/isis-behind-the-mask/
  
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  April 5, 2017 2:59pm
SPC

A message against taking the law into your own hands – vigilante action – has been sent by a judge who sentenced a man to 22 months prison for slashing the tyres of people parking on city streets while using Wellington Airport (cheaper, but annoys local residents no end).

Two messages actually

1. middle class folk who travel overseas are important people and their selfishness/freeloading knows no bounds and yet their impact statements just broke the heart of the judge.
2. victims of offensive/annoying/criminal behaviour have to let other people manage this – to the level (that the middle class folk think is important) that they could be bothered to.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11832438
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April 5, 2017 4:03pm
- krazykiwi
  
  22 months? For slashing tyres? Too much cost to the taxpayer. I’d prefer he was forced to do something constructive rather than just being locked away.
  
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  April 5, 2017 4:08pm
  - SPC
    
    I would have made him pay for the tyres and fined the victims for not using airport car-parking.
    
    If the council had been fining these people there would have been no need for the tyre slashing.
    
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    April 5, 2017 4:12pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Fine people are not breaking any law.
      
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      April 5, 2017 5:56pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Illegally parked cars should be towed away. Public street space outside someone’s home isn’t theirs – it is public property and anyone is perfectly entitled to park there. That’s where most of the tire slashing happened.
      
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      April 5, 2017 6:59pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      … fine the victims for not using airport car-parking
      
      Every parker at the airport is already fined. The monopoly ensures parking rates are 3x – 8x the regular CBD parking rates.
      
      In this instance I expect Justin Lester swoop, making public street parking (that ratepayers have already paid for) into residents only space thereby forcing everyone into the overpriced airport parking … where the council has a 30% holding.
      
      They’ll use regulation not to benefit the public, but to maximise their profitible monopoly.
      
      Bugbear of mine.
      
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      April 5, 2017 7:07pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Perhaps he should be required to do community service – directing cars in his suburb to the nearest legal park.
    
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    April 5, 2017 6:09pm
Manolo

CNN vs Bill O’Reilly:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/04/cnn-leads-charge-to-defund-fox-news/
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April 5, 2017 4:22pm
- Ross12
  
  Manolo
  Given the way CNN is trying brush the Rice issue and the surveillance business away, I don’t think they have chance of winning.
  There is a huge amount to come out on it and Fox is probably the only network that will cover it extensively. The O’Reilly mess will be soon forgotten.
  
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  April 5, 2017 5:03pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Fox is bleeding advertising dollars. O’Reilly could become more of a liability than an asset.
    
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    April 5, 2017 5:10pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Your assertion seems to be 100% wrong.
      
      http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/q1-2017-ratings-fox-news-is-cables-most-watched-network/324673
      
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      April 5, 2017 5:52pm
      - mikenmild
        
        http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/fox-bill-oreilly-show-advertisers-1.4055380
        
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        April 5, 2017 6:07pm
howitis

It’s always great to see the NZ police hot on the heels of hardened criminals.
This Dafixeruppa (ref above) is an example of sarcasm /s

http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/91153972/Manawatu-Golf-Club-restaurant-lose-liquor-licences-after-police-sting
……..Angkor Restaurant and the Manawatu Golf Club’s eatery Hokowhitu Cafe and Bar were both snapped in a Palmerston North controlled purchase operations in December….
A police spokeswoman said 42 premises were visited on December 1 and 10, with three failing.
All three premises – police did not provide the name of the third – had their licences suspended for three days each as a result.
The golf club sting follows a recent trend by police in Manawatu, where clubs have been targeted instead of the usual bars and bottle stores.
Bunnythorpe Rugby Club, Red Sox Sports Club, Marist Club and Terrace End Bowling Club all had their licences suspended in November for selling to minors during controlled purchase operations……

That lot, jaywalkers, Pokémon Go trespassers, and master criminals driving at 5 km/hr over the speed limit must be stopped.!!!
Write to your MP.

These career criminals stop the police from attending lesser crimes like assault, vandalism, burglaries, and armed dairy holdups.
these cunt_stables are so stretched that they can only send in their ‘undercover operatives’ 7 or 8 times to each premise until they catch out a handful of these hardened crims.

See, never give up, never surrender you will get a conviction if you try hard enough. Especially when they are soft targets!
In a decent society this would be entrapment.
In NZ it is PC plod misapplying resources and working hard to criminalise people doing little harm.
If your phone or car is stolen and you know exactly where it is the cops won’t help but will prosecute you if you retrieve the stolen property yourself.

It is no wonder than not far away in the Wairarapa these dodgy thugs are banned from a local gun club.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/90101278/Police-Association-alarmed-at-gun-clubs-ban-over-restrictive-gun-laws

…The Police Association is defending its stance on gun control in the face of a Wairarapa shooting club banning police from using its range…

This is a thug union of cops projecting its views on a private not-for-profit club. The club is right to ban these thugs.

[DPF: Use of the word cuntstable will get a strike in future]
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April 5, 2017 5:22pm
Chuck Bird

This is going to cost the taxpayer. If he is a property owner it would have been better to make him pay the victims. If he was not a property owner but had a steady job they could have suspended his sentence and his wages garnisheed. If he stops paying jail him.

Judge warns on vigilante action as Wellington tyre slasher sentenced to 22 months in prison

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11832438
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April 5, 2017 5:42pm
stigie

“Labour leader Andrew Little would have had to mortgage his home to pay a $100,000 settlement offer before a defamation case went to court, he has revealed.”

Is that all that this muppet can afford after ripping employees off after all these years..?
Oh boo fucking hoo !~

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11832515
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April 5, 2017 6:14pm
- nasska
  
  He’s going to have one hell of a mortgage after he pays his own legal costs (est $250K), the Hagaman’s costs (a proportion of say $400K) plus damages of (at a guess) $50K.
  
  He might yet be looking for a rental. ?
  
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  April 5, 2017 6:25pm
  - stigie
    
    Is this what you are talking about Nasska..?
    
    http://www.jpiiyg.com/uploads/5/5/6/0/55600685/3002194_orig.jpg
    
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    April 5, 2017 6:31pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Luxury!
      
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      April 5, 2017 6:33pm
    - nasska
      
      If he & Penny form a buying group they may be able to get a rebate by ordering two of them stigie. 🙂
      
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      April 5, 2017 6:34pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Little’s not worried, as he believes he will be moving into Premier House later this year.
        
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        April 5, 2017 6:36pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        He won’t be allowed to mikenmild, because his primary place of residence is Wellington.
        
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        April 6, 2017 7:29am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Good indoor outdoor flow stigie. And handily situated to enable fund-raising from local beggars.
      
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      April 5, 2017 7:59pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      Little’s not worried, as he believes he will be moving into Premier House later this year.
      
      Is there a Doorman vacancy on the horizon milky?
      
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      April 5, 2017 8:01pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Are you seeking a role to match your skills?
        
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        April 5, 2017 8:02pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Tsk tsk. You know very well what I meant. That said, it would be worth it just to shove that little runt angry out into the rain to open the car doors.
        
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        April 5, 2017 8:14pm
- Happychappy
  
  Be fair he was a failure as the head of the trade Union as he lost more members under his watch than other CEO in the Union Movements history and that’s before he turned the save Labour seat in New Plymouth into a safe seat for National, This man is a walking disaster and his mouth is a absolute failure.
  
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  April 5, 2017 6:46pm
Inandout

Scratch a German and you will still find a Nazi, if you take into account this school was not really interested a Jewish boy was set upon by Muslim students. But his mother is astounded-

“They told us this is normal for adolescents from this background, that they’re just trying to find their identity,” she said. “But it shouldn’t be normal. I’ve never experienced such direct anti-Semitism before in all the years I’ve lived in Germany.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/german-boy-beaten-by-muslim-schoolmates-after-telling-them-he-is-jewish

Ironically, Muslim migrants are acting very much like the original Brown Shirts started out. Would this be Merkel’s master plan to get rid of German Jews, so native Germans could not be accused of racism; oh no, the Muslims drove them out.
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April 5, 2017 6:22pm
- Jack5
  
  Never the fault of the Muslims, Inandout?
  
  You aren’t one of the Stephieboys in disguise are you?
  
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  April 5, 2017 10:24pm
Longknives

Jeesus Christ! This movie was initially praised by the ‘Rainbow Community’ for having a Gay Character but now the Fem-Nazis are unhappy-

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/91181049/why-emma-watsons-beauty-and-the-beast-hasnt-moved-with-the-times

It’s a freaking Fairy Tale lady! Do we really need the Fairy Tales from our Childhood to ‘move with the times’? Do they really need to have an angry, lesbian, shaven-headed, combat boot wearing ‘Princess’??
You just can’t win…
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April 5, 2017 6:58pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Agree, Whoever wrote that drivel is deluded. And its not going to make me change my attitude to modern day femmo nazis. Useless, miserable, grumpy oxygen thieves.
  
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  April 5, 2017 7:08pm
mikenmild

I sure hope big bruv is watching Seven Sharp tonight for the big story on the Moera cafe that makes the best chocolate cake in the world, according to Scarlett Johansen.
NB: Zany Zeus is an awesome cafe.
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April 5, 2017 7:00pm
- Longknives
  
  If you like it Mikey I’m guessing it must be a Gluten-Free, Vegan and Organic Chocolate Cake?..
  
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  April 5, 2017 7:17pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I’ve not had the cake, but they do the best ice creams in town.
    
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    April 5, 2017 7:21pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Vegan, sugar-free, gluten-free Brownie
    
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    April 5, 2017 7:46pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Don’t forget taste-free…
      
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      April 6, 2017 7:32am
- krazykiwi
  
  Zanu Zeus haloumi cheese is to die for. A few slabs, lightly fried, and enjoyed with a nice central otago pinot noir. Yum!!
  
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  April 5, 2017 7:43pm
  - Manolo
    
    It is, indeed. And superior to Greek and Turkish versions out there.
    
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    April 6, 2017 7:57am
Longknives

Dairy-Free Ice Cream I hope Mikey? (Perhaps Mungbean flavour?)
Your beloved Greens will disown you if not..
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April 5, 2017 7:24pm
- mikenmild
  
  There’s no such thing as dairy-free ice cream.
  
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  April 5, 2017 7:27pm
  - nasska
    
    I wouldn’t be too sure about that Mike.
    
    Remember the hoohah a few years back when the then General Foods let slip that they were considering using deodourised mutton fat as a dairy substitute?
    
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    April 5, 2017 7:34pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s countless versions of dairy-free icecream
    http://www.thekitchn.com/how-to-make-vegan-ice-cream-cooking-lessons-from-the-kitchn-204755
    
    Some are even rather nice……. but here’s a brilliant substitute… squished up frozen bananas
    http://www.thekitchn.com/how-to-make-creamy-ice-cream-with-just-one-ingredient-cooking-lessons-from-the-kitchn-93414
    
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    April 5, 2017 7:39pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Such ignorance:
      ice cream
      noun
      a frozen food containing cream or milk and butterfat, sugar, flavoring, and sometimes eggs
      http://www.dictionary.com/browse/ice-cream?s=t
      
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      April 5, 2017 7:46pm
      - nasska
        
        You actually believe the advertising Mike?
        
        https://nzic.org.nz/ChemProcesses/food/6G.pdf
        
        The interesting stuff starts on Page 4
        
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        April 5, 2017 7:52pm
    - nasska
      
      I was all for the idea of making hokey pokey ice cream out of mutton fat Maggy. Apart from exports of flaps to the Pacific Islands where the rubbish satisfies their hunger for grease & fat, apart from pet food we were pushing it uphill to get a return.
      
      Mind you I’ve always promoted its use as a sex lubricant but other than Johnboy there have been few takers. 🙂
      
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      April 5, 2017 7:48pm
      - stigie
        
        Correct me if im wrong Nasska but didn’t you offer it to Reddy back in the day when you and Johnboy were thinking of coming together in marital bliss..?
        
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        April 5, 2017 7:56pm
      - nasska
        
        It’s quite possible that I did stigie but no one ever succeeded in driving a wedge between Johnboy & Flossie. 🙂
        
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        April 5, 2017 8:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think mutton fat would be too much of a solid lump at -5degC.
        
        Now that its safe to eat cholesterol again, I reckon you could make a fortune promoting the consumption of mutton fat to become a manly man.
        (No cholesterol, no testosterone)
        http://doctorlib.info/medical/biochemistry/biochemistry.files/image268.jpg
        Here’s some starters:
        For wimps:
        From green, green pastures our little sheep can supply you with gallons of greasy mutton to keep your testosterone at tip-top levels
        
        For sportscheats:
        Don’t waste money on steroid drinks , quaff mutton fat
        
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        April 5, 2017 8:52pm
      - nasska
        
        We could be on a winner here Maggy. A promotion of the benefits of mutton fat both as a substitute for Viagra AND a personal lubricant.
        
        One product, two uses, in one package. With the added benefit that with a little sugar you could whip up dessert from the leftovers. 🙂
        
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        April 5, 2017 9:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @nasska
        
        I wouldn’t overlook mutton fat’s use for axle grease either.
        
        Look, if you don’t mind handling the lubricant end of things, I’ll run a few mutton flap recipes past the hubby. Might try the old melted mutton fat & salt on toast for his breakfast too.
        
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        April 5, 2017 9:26pm
stiglet

I had an amazing experience this afternoon. Leaving work a little early due to the South Auckland power cut I found all the traffic lights were out. The Manukau streets were working better than ever before. People were driving cautiously and courteously. It carried on to the southwestern motorway with not one act of idiocy witnessed all the way.

Do we really need traffic lights? [grin]
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April 5, 2017 7:31pm
- mikenmild
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=850ci_XMOps
  
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  April 5, 2017 7:47pm
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    How long did it take you to record that Milky..?
    
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    April 5, 2017 8:06pm
jonar

More Trump supporters who didn’t realise what they were voting for.

http://deadstate.org/trump-supporter-finds-out-her-house-will-end-up-on-the-mexican-side-of-trumps-wall/

Trump’s border wall and his anti-Mexican rhetoric was a driving force for many of his supporters in Texas. Now as his wall inches closer to reality, many of them are now finding out that they’ll be forced to sell their land to make way for the wall’s construction, and those who aren’t forced out by eminent domain could find their property on the Mexican side.
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April 5, 2017 8:32pm
- Tirebiter
  
  Anecdote, even serial anecdote, is not, by itself, evidence.
  
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  April 6, 2017 6:41am
Manolo

A minion under the microscope:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/05/susan-rices-alleged-unmasking-requests-not-so-routine-ex-officials-say.html
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Manolo

The Democrats call it “the Obama effect”. Yeah right.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/05/private-payrolls-grew-263k-in-march-vs–185k-est-:-adp.html
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