General Debate 3 March 2017

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srylands

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/89963527/cupcake-thieves-leave-13yearolds-with-nothing-to-cheer-about

What kind of person steals money from girls raising money at a cake stall?
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March 3, 2017 8:04am
- holysheet
  
  Thats what you get when you allow people with head towels into our country. We are not able to identify them when they take them off to commit this kind of shit.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:14am
  - doggone7
    
    Yeah, yeah, and some use holy sheets to try to disguise irrational shit.
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:09am
  - Dave Mann
    
    @holysheet – Your kneejerk bias is insulting to our intelligence as well as your own. Didn’t you even read the original article?
    
    To quote: The group were Maori or Polynesian and driving a distinctive battered and scratched white sedan. The teenage girl had a lip piercing.
    
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    March 3, 2017 10:15am
    - holysheet
      
      And there are no PI or Maori muslems in our country? Sonny bill comes to mind.
      
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      March 3, 2017 10:34am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Mate, you give Muslim haters like me a bad name 😀
        
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        March 3, 2017 10:43am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Dave Mann
        
        Echoing Stars and Stripes amusing post on GD, 31/12/16:
        
        For someone who so cherishes other cultures and the diversity dividend it is amazing how sometimes your knowledge of basic details is woefully lacking.
        It is spelt Filipinos Stephieboy, not Philippinos.
        Even a bigot like me knows that
        
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        March 3, 2017 10:52am
- Happychappy
  
  The same scum that Labour believe should be able to wreck house’s that they live in but don’t own, use drugs in the work place without being dismissed and vote for them.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:16am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I’d say the person was around 5″11, Brown complexion, wearing a dark coloured hoodie and dark coloured jeans.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:20am
  - srylands
    
    “The group were Maori or Polynesian and driving a distinctive battered and scratched white sedan. The teenage girl had a lip piercing.”
    
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    March 3, 2017 8:23am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Tatoos were seen, lots and lots of tats, everywhere . . .
    
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    March 3, 2017 8:27am
- RF
  
  srylands.
  
  It takes a special person to steal money from children.
  
  Scum.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:20am
- Viking2
  
  The kind that call racism when a white man starts a club.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:34am
- srylands
  
  So the person downticking thinks it is OK to steal money from children?
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:49am
  - Longknives
    
    The children were White srylands. The ‘Left’ mindset is that ‘Whitey’ deserves it..
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:07am
- cmm
  
  “Macy had a severe panic attack.”
  
  Get used to it sweetie. These same scum are going to rip you off to the tune of thousands of dollars a month once you’re a tax payer.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:51am
- kowtow
  
  “The group were Maori or Polynesian and driving a distinctive battered and scratched white sedan”
  
  It’s time these people were given grants to get nice new shiny cars . The gummint knows we taxpayers have deep pockets and won’t do shit about the legislated theft they constantly impose on us, in the name of equality, or race relations or the reconciliation process or some other such excuse to continually milk us.
  
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  March 3, 2017 9:02am
Longknives

So the Loopy Left now want Hunters and Collectors to change their name?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4273594/PETA-asks-Hunters-Collectors-change-name.html

Jesus and they wonder why the sensible Right is winning all over the Western World..

Oh and can anyone please tell me if Susan Devoy is ‘keeping an eye’ on Kapa Haka groups at the University? Student Islamic Groups?? Nah didn’t think so…
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March 3, 2017 8:07am
- G152
  
  And I didn’t hear anything from her about the MAORI Party in Parliament or their obviously race based selection process
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:15am
  - Pateke
    
    Anyone can start a party and stand in any electorate they want. That’s called democracy. I am a member of the Maori Party as I support a conservative Maori based party to assist national. You on the other hand can express your democratic right by not voting for the Maori Party. Foaming at the mouth about race-based selection processes will not affect the result one iota..
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:22am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      The only way to eliminate racism is to eliminate all racism (including race based seats, including positive discrimination).
      
      The answer to the evils of discrimination is not vengeance discrimination.
      
      As the old saying goes – two wrongs don’t make a right. Although I did like Winnie’s version a few years back (but that was so un-PC).
      
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      March 3, 2017 11:37am
    - starboard
      
      “maori based party to assist national….”
      
      assist National…lol, they are a fucking hindrance and a pack of racist arseholes.
      
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      March 3, 2017 12:32pm
- Nukuleka
  
  I upticked your comment but I can’t help but wonder about people who think it is cool to use the word ‘Jesus’ as a cuss when there are a huge variety of other word/ phrases to use.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:47am
  - Longknives
    
    Apologies Nukuleka- Didn’t mean any offence mate
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:08am
- Dazzaman
  
  There might be some sense in what you say but blasphemy gets a thumbs down from me…..✊
  
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  March 3, 2017 12:06pm
Southern Raider

Another win for tolerant liberals.

Auckland University European Club has been disbanded before it even started under threats of violence, leaks of personal info, attack from the liberal student president and of course Devoy.

Nothing at all to show that this club was anything other than something to promote European culture. Apparently it is illegal now to use Celtic symbols. Did someone tell the Irish?
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March 3, 2017 8:07am
- Griff
  
  If decoy does not take this as a case of racial discrimination she should be sacked .
  Today.
  A European club is no different than a Pi or maori one .
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:11am
  - G152
    
    But we have to provide safe spaces for bloody snowflakes in places where they’re supposed to be learning about the world…
    
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    March 3, 2017 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  It’s the threats of violence and lack of concern over that are very serious . While our MSM and Dame Devoid were in high dudgeon over the existence of this club , no one seems in the least bit concerned that threats of violence were used to close down what is a basic human right , freedom of association. Not to mention the media’s role by fuelling a moral panic over this affair.
  
  C#nts ,waging war on the west.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:16am
  - Viking2
    
    What can we expect from educated Journo’s and their mates from the houses of learning.
    
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    March 3, 2017 8:37am
- Lance
  
  The news on TV1 were implying that a picture of Captain Cook used by the Europeans club was proof of racism?
  
  WANKERS
  
  Interesting to note interviewing the Chinese club etc had no problem with the European club, it was only the self hating Europeans shrieking hysterically at the European club.
  
  Dame Susan is a disgrace to imply they were most likely racist without a shred of evidence. The bias was jaw dropping.
  
  The message is clear, to be of European decent is something to be ashamed of and any European culture, symbol or achievement is to be shunned.
  
  Well fuck you and the horse that brought you to town
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:19am
  - itstricky
    
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    The news on TV1 were implying that a picture of Captain Cook used by the Europeans club was proof of racism?
    
    No, there were several different icons that were used together, from what I read.
    
    “The presence of this iconography and imagery is immediately offensive to certain groups of students – especially considering the large amount of history behind some of those slogans and iconography, but also just the times that we are living in now, where nationalism and nationalist feeling is on the rise across the world.
    
    The message is clear, to be of European decent is something to be ashamed of and any European culture, symbol or achievement is to be shunned
    
    I don’t think that is the message at all. The message is don’t plant your Facebook page with a whole bunch of iconic imagery that is associated with white power groups. They probably should have thought about that before they incorporated their club, or created their page, or whatever.
    
    If a Muslim club started with a logo of swords, a motto of “taking over the world” and pictures of a caliphate, I’m pretty sure lots of people here would have a lot to say about it.
    
    Either way, it’s all a bit blown out of proportion, like the founder said.
    
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    March 3, 2017 8:39am
    - Lance
      
      I call bullshit on that.
      
      Rise of nationalism????
      Where and what does that even mean?
      
      Celtic imagery is offensive???
      Wow…
      
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      March 3, 2017 8:47am
      - itstricky
        
        Celtic imagery is offensive???
        
        No, that is not what I said. Don’t pick just one facet of the list and then go suggesting that is what the fuss is about. The list:
        
        (a) Celtic crosses are well known white nationalist symbols. Very well known.
        (b) The slogan is (apparently) similar to one used by the Nazis.
        (c) The group is called a “European” (i.e. any white, not black) group, not a Celtic/Scottish/Irish/Welsh one
        (d) They (supposedly) included other German or Nazi iconic images on their Facebook page.
        
        Now, some of this is subjective but it is the sum of the parts, not any individual item that you chose to take out of the list.
        
        If it was just one of that list, then I would have the same opinion as you. But it’s not.
        
        You would have thought the group would have thought about this beforehand.
        
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        March 3, 2017 8:52am
      - Lance
        
        ” The group is called a “European” (i.e. any white, not black) group, not a Celtic/Scottish/Irish/Welsh one”
        
        You mean like the NAACP?
        
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        March 3, 2017 8:56am
      - cha
        
        You mean like the NAACP
        
        You mean like the WAACP?.
        
        “We respect that for all people. If we look at the NAACP, black people have the right to have that. Why can’t white people have a WAACP?
        
        http://www.thebatt.com/news/richard-spencer-creator-of-the-term-alt-right-to-speak/article_c03f61ec-b118-11e6-a1e7-9f5f2416a890.html
        
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        March 3, 2017 9:07am
      - itstricky
        
        You mean like the NAACP?
        
        Taken out of context again.
        
        The group uses a Celtic cross and is clearly not a Celtic only group. They are using a group definition that suggests white nationalism, by formally identifying themselves as not a Celtic group – a non-Celtic white group using a well known white nationalist symbol.
        
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        March 3, 2017 9:40am
      - Dazzaman
        
        @cha
        
        How the hell do you have a Whites Association for the Advancement of Coloured People? LOL!!
        
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        March 3, 2017 12:20pm
    - Nukuleka
      
      Every Muslim woman trundling behind her jeans/ t shirt/ jandals wearing hubby and who as a true daughter of Islam wears a head covering- or full body covering- is a symbol that women are ‘subservient’ to men, that she hates Christians and Jews and believes in the genital mutilation of girls. We are meant to accept such clothing which serves no purpose except as ‘iconic imagery’ and be called ‘racists’ if we object to it. Don’t put up straw men with your reference to a logo of swords and pictures of a caliphate. It’s hypocrisy.
      
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      March 3, 2017 8:58am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        I find your implication that the bloody sword of Islam used for beheading and subjegating Infidels is a symbol of oppression and aggression very offensive.
        
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        March 3, 2017 9:31am
    - Griff
      
      Do you think say a maori group is not nationalistic?
      The maori party and mana-less are quite happy to promote some extreme views of nationalistic behavior by Maori .
      Up to and including wanting a separate governmental and kicking out those of European decent from this country.
      I dont like Nazis ,skinheads, white pride or whatever label they use .
      As a liberal rules are made for all equally not selectively enforced based on your race, color, sex or god fetish . As soon as you do that you are discrimination. .
      That is what decoy is there to police.
      
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      March 3, 2017 9:02am
    - Longknives
      
      “If a Muslim club started with a logo of swords, a motto of “taking over the world” and pictures of a caliphate,”
      
      You’ve clearly never been to a Mosque then?
      
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      March 3, 2017 9:10am
      - sam green
        
        I have been to several of the world’s most famous mosques and never saw that kind of imagery. Clearly you haven’t been to a mosque.
        
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        March 3, 2017 9:30am
      - starboard
        
        stupid boy.
        
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        March 3, 2017 12:36pm
      - sam green
        
        sad man
        
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        March 3, 2017 4:29pm
  - lilman
    
    yep,Im in agreement.
    
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    March 3, 2017 8:41am
  - VicParking
    
    Sorry down ticked by mistake
    
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    March 3, 2017 1:17pm
- waikatogirl
  
  The club’s design being seen as nazi could just have easily been seen as a celtic design.
  
  It’s just wrong wanting to celebrate their own history and culture. Imagine the club members eating haggis and enjoying celtic celebrations. The hurt it will cause other more important cultures is abhorant.//
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:29am
  - Lance
    
    The Swastika is a copy of an Indian symbol BTW
    Still in use today
    I think it might be mirror imaged but otherwise identical
    
    The word Swastika is a Sanskrit word
    
    Ban the Indians… shut them down..
    Oddly no-one is saying that.. wonder why?
    
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    March 3, 2017 8:42am
    - sam green
      
      That’s just plain silly Lance – do some research.
      
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      March 3, 2017 9:55am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Oh no – he used facts! That’s not fair – here take this ‘safe space’ blue pill.
        
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        March 3, 2017 11:39am
      - sam green
        
        My comment was in relation to this statement by Lance :
        
        “Ban the Indians… shut them down..
        Oddly no-one is saying that.. wonder why?”
        
        If Lance actually did some research he would understand the significance of the Swastika in vedic cultures (among others) and know that it doesn’t relate to Naziism in those cultures.
        
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        March 3, 2017 12:19pm
  - itstricky
    
    Who’s stopping a Celtic group, called The Celtic organisation, having a Celtic logo?
    
    abhorrent is a strong word considering nobody has actually banned a Celtic group.
    
    Again, it wasn’t the presence of just one icon.
    
    But if you use it with a bunch of other things associated with white nationalists and call your group a “European” one (i.e. white) then hey, who knows what people could draw from that.
    
    They just needed to be more careful. You would have thought they would have considered that.
    
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    March 3, 2017 8:48am
    - holysheet
      
      Why, just so as not to offend bloody snowflakes like you?
      
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      March 3, 2017 8:54am
      - itstricky
        
        I’ve given you an uptick for that, because you’re the only person taking offence here…
        
        Funny how you lump me into a group just because I’ve disagreed with you.
        
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        March 3, 2017 9:43am
    - cmm
      
      Girl power: Great.
      Black power: No problem.
      Gay power: You go boy/girl!
      White power: RACIST.
      Male power: SEXIST
      
      Let’s get rational.
      
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      March 3, 2017 8:56am
      - itstricky
        
        Whilst we are getting rational, why don’t we get rational all the way down to “repressed minorities” or “repressed groups” – or do you only want to get rational to the level of “I’ve got a good slogan and that will do me”?
        
        I always thought your rationality was deeper than that, cmm.
        
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        March 3, 2017 9:45am
      - cmm
        
        tricky
        
        What is this repression you speak of?
        
        If you think white makes are not repressed by modern society you are willfully blind.
        
        White males are the only people who don’t get a hand up with employment.
        
        I spent two years conscripted into the Army for one reason only: I am a white male.
        
        There are heaps of scholarships out there for Maori, women etc…. none for white males.
        
        And I don’t regret is. You know why? Because special handouts are more destructive to the people who get them.
        
        Every time there is a special hand out for a woman (eg. scholarships, having reduced fitness requirements for the polic/army,…) it sends a message that women are pathetic and cannot cope on their own merits – instead they need special handouts. They can’t cope in the real world – they need a specail bubble to live in.
        
        Same with special handouts for Maori etc.
        
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        March 3, 2017 12:56pm
      - sam green
        
        @cmm
        
        “There are heaps of scholarships out there for Maori, women etc…. none for white males.”
        
        Yes there are. Heaps! Go and look it up. My nephew just got a 20k scholarship to AU.
        
        Just an aside, Maori are well represented in the NZ Armed forces – on a par with the general population ratio. They make up about 22 % of the Army
        
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        March 3, 2017 3:59pm
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      What symbols did they use exactly that are construed as white supremacists?
      
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      March 3, 2017 9:35am
      - itstricky
        
        Listed above
        
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        March 3, 2017 10:41am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      HS is not alone here
      
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      March 3, 2017 10:14am
      - sam green
        
        Are you at his place?
        
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        March 3, 2017 12:20pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I’m in your head
        
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        March 3, 2017 2:52pm
      - sam green
        
        He must be at yours then.
        
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        March 3, 2017 4:31pm
  - Dazzaman
    
    Celebrating their own culture? A pan-European culture is a strange and relatively recent, if long desired by some, phenomenon. From my experience Europeans (Britons too particularly) have been very, often violently, partisan to their own nationality, creed or religion!
    
    These idiots weren’t aspiring to any higher aims of advancing national, creedal or religious virtues but rather plain as your face copycat neo-nazi style racism.
    
    You lot should be highly indignant that these halfwits have cheekily hijacked elements of European culture for their tawdry little clusterfuck…. ?
    
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    March 3, 2017 1:18pm
- GazzaW
  
  I was particularly outraged by the image of Captain Cook against the background of the NZ flag. It just reeks of racism and discrimination.
  
  It’s so easy to spot the agenda to rewrite our history. Not too long before Cook is depicted as an invader and the advance guard for the evil British Empire and the resulting destruction of the indigenous peoples and stealer of their lands.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:37am
  - Longknives
    
    In my University days I used to drink rather frequently at a place called the ‘Captain Cook Tavern’.
    I’m so sorry Dame Devoy! How can I purge myself of this huge weight of Colonial Guilt??
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:14am
    - stephen2d
      
      Have immediately two jugs of Double Brown and all will be forgiven!
      
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      March 3, 2017 9:20am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Yes, Captain Cook, gentleman, explorer, soldier and a well know white motherfucker.
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:36am
    - Lance
      
      And one of the greatest cartographers of all time. A peasant class man so good at his craft he was raised to the status of captain. A very rare achievement in those days.
      But hey… just another whitey according to some fools
      
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      March 3, 2017 10:15am
      - Nev.
        
        Captain Cooks death was celebrated recently all over facebook by some racist maoris. Pretty disgusting people who owe their lifestyle to him.
        
        Nev.
        
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        March 3, 2017 1:09pm
- Huevon
  
  Dame Susan has got to go. She should not be allowed to get away with “keeping an eye” on anyone. Just who the hell does she think she is?
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:50am
  - starboard
    
    too many squash balls to the head..F.I.T.H syndrome..
    
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    March 3, 2017 12:46pm
    - Nev.
      
      I think her problem is not enough balls to the head especially around the chin area starboard
      Nev.
      
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      March 3, 2017 6:25pm
- Inandout
  
  It was spoken about on Kim Juncan Garner’s breakfast programme, and some male guest said this group had a ‘Nazi symbol’. Then he laughed that they had ‘run for the hills’ when the group was confronted.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:58am
- peterwn
  
  Years ago someone concerned with rising prices formed a group call Campaign Against Rising Prices (CARP). This must have been seen as a challenge by the unions and other lefties who stacked their AGM and took control of it – used it for their purposes and let it die. Nowadays intimidation and violence would be added to the mix. Similarly when someone tried to set up an alternative teachers union.
  By the way during one capping week students invented ‘Campaign Rising All Prices’ and put posters up prominently displaying the initials.
  
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  March 3, 2017 9:01am
- kowtow
  
  Same problem across the ditch.
  
  http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/gillian-triggs-can-we-trust-her-with-a-witch-hunt/news-story/5a48d5f1e1a4fbe45be4483a49ea479a
  
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  March 3, 2017 10:35am
kowtow

Nuts, isn’t it?

But then it happens all the time all over the place in the name of equality .

The Chair , instead of chairman, firefighters instead of firemen , fishers is particularly annoying……..partner instead of husband or wife etc

“A university has banned phrases such as “right-hand man” and “gentleman’s agreement” under its code of practice on inclusive language.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/03/02/university-bans-phrases-right-hand-man-gentlemans-agreement/
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March 3, 2017 8:09am
Paulus

I see that the so called 4th estate is up to more half stories.
An American has bought a station in the South. We see on the box some walking activist greenie saying that they are unhappy because there has been no walking access over the lakeside property and that they are not amused.
Why did the repeater not say that part of the agreement with the Overseas Investment Commission was that access will be allowed by the new owner.
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March 3, 2017 8:10am
- Pateke
  
  Actually it was more than that. Access is required of the new owner as part of the lease agreement.
  
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  March 3, 2017 9:30am
Happychappy

I wonder if Judith has included the crooked media in her new tax reforms as they seem happy enough about Facebook, Google and several others that might have to pay a lot more tax.
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March 3, 2017 8:10am
EAD

Tony Alexander this morning doing what Tonly Alexander does best & encouraging the generation blame game when it comes to this countries exorbitant house prices. This time he is busy blaming frivolous spending by young people as the reason they can’t afford to buy a house:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/90006090/dont-blame-the-boomers-for-high-house-prices

“And how to finance it? Go to cafes and spend as much on lattes, muffins, frappes, wraps, etc. as often as the Baby Boomers did,” he said

“Hire as many gardeners, landscape designers, decoration consultants, plumbers, feng shui consultants, window washers, dog walkers, dog washers, cat whisperers and general handymen as they did.

I get absolutely sick of this constant back and forth blame game. All we hear is either “blame the young generation for their frivolous spending” or the equally annoying and false “the baby boomers had it tough compared to this generation”

What Tony never talks about is the role of the financial sector in fuelling the bubble. The era that Tony always encourages us to focus on is the pure fiat money age post 1971 when Banks have been able to create money ex-nihilo and lend it ad infinitum constrained pretty much only by how much money borrowers have been willing to borrow and a minuscule reserve ratio.

The amount that people have been able to borrow has increased from the 1970’s mainly due to 4 factors, ranked by importance (approx. % mine)
1) This elastic money supply that means banks aren’t constrained by reserves (66%)
2) each household now having 2 breadwinners to “pay off the mortgage” (20%)
3) the long term decline (with bumps) of interest rates over time, (9%)
4) & the lowering of lending standards, (5%)

The stock of houses did not suddenly go up in line with the vastly increased pot of money chasing them, and thus the laws of economics dictated that prices rose….But don’t expect Tony to tell you this as the constant debt spiral of society is what keeps him in a job. He needs an exponentially growing number of suckers willing to spend 30 years as a mortgage slave (which is why we have ever increasing mass migration).

He will never reflect on why under a non-elastic monetary system pre 1971 your grandparents with one person working was able to pay off their house in 7 short years.

https://www.intellihub.com/march-2017-the-end-of-a-100-year-global-debt-super-cycle-is-way-overdue/
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March 3, 2017 8:13am
- JIV
  
  “Hire as many gardeners, landscape designers, decoration consultants, plumbers, feng shui consultants, window washers, dog walkers, dog washers, cat whisperers and general handymen as they did.”
  
  Plumbers!! I’m pretty sure I can wash my own dog, mow my own lawns and arrange my own furniture, but I need a plumber to sort out all my copper pipes. Does Stuff feel I’m wasting my money??
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:54am
Captain Mainwaring

Welcome back Kokila.
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March 3, 2017 8:14am
wiseowl

You can’t be a Nation without borders.
You can’t be a Nation without traditions,
You can’t be a Nation if you don’t Honour your patriarchs.

Part of Le Pens message to the European Assembly.

Go Marine.
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March 3, 2017 8:16am
- kowtow
  
  That’s why the Elites are out to silence her.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/meps-say-marine-le-pen-can-be-prosecuted-over-violent-isis-images
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:19am
Nostradamus

While we weren’t watching:

1. Gabby to duggledog:

Your ‘friend’ sounds like a bit of a cunt. No offence.

[DPF: Strike 6. That is two months off]

2. AgentBallSack to Gabby:

Fuck off, you diseased, mangy old cunt.

[DPF: Strike 4. Two weeks off]

3. DPF to Stephieboy:

Alas once again you are wrong. … The figure of 70% is a conservative one in fact.
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March 3, 2017 8:16am
- Lance
  
  Looks like I have been missing all the fun
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:24am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I’ll miss Ballsack but if Gobby disappeared for ever that would be a good thing.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:30am
  - cmm
    
    The point of these people is to try poison the well.
    
    They don’t want to engage in the free flow of ideas. They don’t want to convince people with a better idea.
    They just want to make KB an unpleasant experience so that people go away and thereby shut down discussion.
    
    When you understand this then you realise it is pointless trying to engage one of the trolls in a discussion. I used to do that until I saw what a waste of time it is.
    
    Just down tick them and move on.
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:01am
    - EAD
      
      Indeed cmm – there is nothing worse on this blog than people who don’t want to engage in the free flow of ideas and/or those that resort to petty name calling.
      
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      March 3, 2017 10:31am
      - Griff
        
        How about ideas that last time they were tried resulted in more than 50,000,000 dead ,from the night of the long knifes to the last death from fat boy?
        Do you think we should treat such ideas as valid ?
        Would you agree that to treat those proposing them repeated are taking on some of the responsibility for those deaths, is valid?
        
        War is a no win game with one fuck of a lot of misery and suffering for all those involved.
        Hitler, armed his ideology, engineered one to remember for as long as we have history.
        If homo “sapiens” go down that track again there will be no more history.
        
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        March 3, 2017 3:48pm
- Happychappy
  
  Do strikes get subtracted after a certain period or are they always in play.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:31am
  - Griff
    
    We had a different system before .
    All the naughty points got reset when we changed to the new one.
    Under the present system once you have a strike it stays forever .
    
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    March 3, 2017 8:39am
- starboard
  
  LOL..go ballsack, love it !
  
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  March 3, 2017 1:23pm
Lance

So how do we get Devoy sacked for the baseless bias and prejudice she has openly displayed on TV and radio?
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March 3, 2017 8:27am
- kowtow
  
  Scary thing is how she was so open about how “We’ll be watching them”
  
  It’s the liberal democracy’s version of the Stasi , not as violent but the outcome and intent is the same…..to control through state sanctioned power.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:35am
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow, so are under constant survillence and a marked man by this so called Stasi state ?
    
    Or is it simply your over cooked paranoia ?
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:47am
- Happychappy
  
  You and many more of us on this blog always complain about the Left using this exact method. Why stoop to their levels Bill English has already said they will not be taking her advice on other stupid remarks she has made.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:38am
  - kowtow
    
    What method?
    
    There’s no way in the world that taxpayers should be shelling out for an organisation such as Devoids’ commission. The state is broke and taxpayers can’t afford nor should be forced to pay for such intrusive , controlling and anti freedom bodies.
    
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    March 3, 2017 8:56am
    - Happychappy
      
      Start a petition to get some one sacked, if you don’t like it vote for a government that will do some thing about it. I am sure Andrew will support a reason that will bring him votes.
      
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      March 3, 2017 9:24am
      - Paulus
        
        Surely Angry can learn from the US on how to get an elected President sacked.
        Obama is setting up such a movement in which he can come back for the Socialists.
        Against Chelsea and Soros family.
        Always a dreamer Obama but making a fortune at it so far.
        
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        March 3, 2017 11:18am
- cmm
  
  “So how do we get Devoy sacked”
  
  Follow the money. Who pays her? Who is the minister in charge of that portfolio?
  
  The office is costing us well over $7M per year. What are we getting for that? Just being told how bad we are for being white.
  
  Clearly she needs to be challenged in some way and she needs some better rules of engagement.
  
  Last year she waded into the whole Chiefs + Scarlette debacle. Since when has “stripper” been a race? WTF is a race commission doing getting involved in that?
  
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  March 3, 2017 9:07am
  - calendar girl
    
    The stripper was white?
    
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    March 3, 2017 10:46am
    - cmm
      
      Scarlette – I think she must be a shade of red.
      
      Dunno what race she is, but any woman that is covered in tats and lets blokes lick her bits for $50 isn’t my type.
      
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      March 3, 2017 2:09pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    What I found interesting about the Chiefs + Scarlette debacle is the recent statistics that show the Chiefs female supporters percentage is the only one of the five NZ teams to exceed 50%. For the other four teams the majority of supporters are male.
    
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    March 3, 2017 11:27am
  - cmm
    
    I thought of one neat way of handling this….
    
    Devoy’s office is costing over $7M a year. Let’s just call that $8M.
    
    If that money was instead put into housing poor Maori living in cars etc, then that could house well over 250 families.
    
    So, do Maori want:
    1) Ms Devoy’s pontification
    -or-
    2) 250 poor families given pretty flash housing?
    
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    March 3, 2017 1:07pm
- Souvlaki
  
  Yes ! There is enough documented evidence of her OWN prejudice against whites and bias in favour of those of darker hue, to be summarily dismissed ,I would have thought ! Lets hope someone in “authority ” and with nous has the cojones to lance this festering boil!
  
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  March 3, 2017 11:43am
dime

just listened to 30 seconds of the new “lorde”.

i wish her well, but she sounds like shes trying to be adele.. a low rent, adele.
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March 3, 2017 8:34am
- Longknives
  
  Lordy’s supposedly massive ‘Publicity Stunt’ for the new album on Ponsonby Rd was a bit of a letdown Dime..(I was wandering past and saw about half a dozen teenage girls taking pictures with cellphones)
  It was a shitty old car filled with what looked like a smoke machine from the 80’s.
  Hardly Pink Floyd’s Pig…
  
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  March 3, 2017 9:19am
- Garbageman
  
  Yeah my cup of tea unless she teams up with the one true god Ozzy still good to see a Kiwi lass cracking the world stage and she has some powerful music industry friends to help make that happen so good luck to her
  
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  March 3, 2017 10:43am
  - Longknives
    
    Ozzy did a mighty duet in the 80s with the lovely Lita Ford-
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGkU6x3eSE
    
    Sadly, more recently, Ozzy teamed up with his horrible Daughter for a couple of duets..(I won’t post links)
    
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    March 3, 2017 11:38am
    - Garbageman
      
      you don’t need Longknives anything Ozzy related I have in my somewhat vast collection of music and yes the original Changes is awesome and the video is quite spectacular as well
      
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      March 3, 2017 2:02pm
      - dime
        
        the version of changes from Live & Loud with Zakk on piano is amazing
        
        the cover of Its Alright on the gnr live album also rocks
        
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        March 3, 2017 4:05pm
Viking2

Was never that good.
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March 3, 2017 8:39am
- sam green
  
  Too edgy for you? Too young? Too successful?
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:43am
  - Ed Snack
    
    No, simply not any good.
    
    But musical tastes vary, listen to her all you want, will not bother me one bit.
    
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    March 3, 2017 11:20am
- SGA
  
  Was never that good.
  
  Damn, and she was deliberately trying to target your demographic too. 😉
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:51am
- sam green
  
  Too tall? Looked too much like a poppy?
  
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  March 3, 2017 9:01am
  - starboard
    
    stupid boy.
    
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    March 3, 2017 12:52pm
    - sam green
      
      sad man
      
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      March 3, 2017 4:32pm
burt

What the hell is wrong with the French.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/90008084/former-all-black-byron-kelleher-fined-for-domestic-assault

This clearly should have been a discharge without conviction !
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March 3, 2017 8:42am
Nookin

Ballsack gets banned for calling gabby “mangy”? Sheesh!!!

Sometimes the retaliator gets clobbered more than the provocateur.
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March 3, 2017 8:50am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I think the ban, like Gabby’s, was for using the ‘C’ word.
  
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  March 3, 2017 9:07am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I thought that the truth was an absolute defence in libel cases?
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:40am
    - stephieboy
      
      Kiwi blog is not a court of law .
      
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      March 3, 2017 9:50am
  - stephieboy
    
    Calling someone a C is no , no for DPF . E mail him your objections .
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:50am
  - Nookin
    
    My goodness, Skipper, on reflection I do believe that you may be right. Sadly, I must have been led astray by my subliminal perceptions of the subject of the comments.
    I will put myself in the naughty corner for the rest of the day.
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:53am
Richard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/89785523/can-be-a-smoker–but-will-not-have-the-time

We need more of the above. I suppose Labour MP’s would say it was offensive in some way.
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March 3, 2017 8:52am
Steve Wrathall

3 weeks ago the disgusting attack on the muslima in Huntly was broadcast around the world for days on end by the MSM. So I’m sure they will do the same with this revolting show of bigotry https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/837299352443977728
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March 3, 2017 9:04am
Inandout

The Whale can sure pick the worst frame grab. Jacinta is really quite plain, I mean really.

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/03/hope-change-wont-work-labour/
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March 3, 2017 9:05am
- sam green
  
  What a nasty piece of work you are.
  
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  March 3, 2017 9:51am
  - stephieboy
    
    sam green, no surprises there . One of the scraping bottom of the barrel dregs on KB
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:54am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    If Labour chooses to promote leaders on the basis of appearances then anyone with any respect for NZ politics should be lambasting them. It is incredibly weak behaviour, and easy to lampoon. NZ needs a more effective opposition.
    
    Live by the sword, die by the sword.
    
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    March 3, 2017 10:02am
  - Longknives
    
    Yet it’s okay for you guys on the Left to viciously attack Trump’s physical appearance, his young child’s physical appearance, and make endless jokes about how he has ‘kidnapped’ and is holding his wife as some kind of sex slave etc etc
    Calling somebody ‘pretty plain’ is relatively tame compared to the shit you hypocritical wankers fling..
    
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    March 3, 2017 10:57am
    - sam green
      
      I challenge you to troll back through the annals of kiwiblog and point out where I have commented on President Trump’s appearance – or indeed President Trump himself. (Edit: I may have said at some stage that I supported neither Trump nor Clinton and saw them as both dangerous).
      
      You’ve drawn a long bow suggesting Jacinda Adern was chosen on her appearance – but hey – if that’s what you want to believe – go right ahead. Who’s playing “appearance” politics now?
      
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      March 3, 2017 11:29am
      - starboard
        
        Wake up fool. Cindy was picked on looks alone.
        She has no substance, has worked in a fish and chip shop and done fuck all else except sponge off the taxpayer like every good lefty scum does. Klarkula will be proud.
        Stupid boy.
        
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        March 3, 2017 12:58pm
      - sam green
        
        sad man
        
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        March 3, 2017 4:33pm
EAD

Todays Daily Mails reminder of “Hitler as the ultimate evil” (just in case you forgot what you’ve been told since every day since preschool) telling readers “Life would be very different if the Nazis won the war”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4273128/SS-GB-2017-Nazis-ruling-world-today.html

Tell me about it!

The article continues “A top historian gives a ……. chilling/b> insight”

Good God. Will it never end? No, of course it won’t. Without their pantomime villains the agenda could never prevail. I’ve said it before, but it is now just so painfully obvious that poor old uncle Adolf has been press-ganged into serving office as Emmanuel Goldstein (from Orwells 1984) that it is painful to witness. Two minutes of hate each and every day Whitey!

“Hate the NAAAAAAZIS! Hate HITLER! We’ve told you all about him, now get on and start your daily hate like good cattle. Remember Whitey, Hitler – he’s the devil incarnate. He’s the acme of evil. He’s the greatest monster ever to stalk the world. He’s…..(CLUNK. SCREECH OF STATIC. CALM VOICE TAKES OVER:)

Don’t believe me – heres the DM’s 2 minutes of hate for the past week:

01 March
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4270820/Never-seen-shots-Hitler-revealed-photo-album.html

28 Feb
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4263804/Hitler-hailed-greatest-living-German-English-PM.html

27 Feb
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4263630/Jewish-women-children-queue-Auschwitz-Birkenau.html

26 Feb
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4260928/Hitler-s-wartime-telephone-FAKE.html

24 Feb
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4256244/Map-revealing-Germany-s-WWII-bombing-targets-discovered.html

23 Feb
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4252164/Files-suggest-Nazis-tested-NUCLEAR-BOMB-WW2-ended.html

21 Feb
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4245144/Hitler-s-favourite-actress-Moscow-SPY.html

20 Feb
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4240262/Hitler-s-telephone-sells-161-000.html

Sometimes I feel like a modern day Winston Smith.
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March 3, 2017 9:07am
- Lance
  
  No EAD
  Hitler was a total evil shit. He mass murdered not only other races but anybody that didn’t worship him.
  I admit he wasn’t the only one, Stalin was an evil shit , as was Mao, Genghis Khan etc as well but that doesn’t take away from Hitlers evil
  
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  March 3, 2017 9:11am
  - EAD
    
    @ Lance
    
    you’re so far gone that for you to hear a contra opinion must burn the ears. I’d be wasting my time debating you’re 2nd hand opinions written by the Victors who write the history books
    
    Hitler will emerge from the hate that now surrounds him and come to be regarded as one of the most significant figures ever to have lived. There was something mysterious about the way he lived and died which will outlive him and continue to flourish. He was made of the stuff of legends.” – John Fitzgerald Kennedy
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:25am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD, a true story . Churchill’s special operations executive (SOE )were considering ways to assassinate Hitler . It proved a truly formable task. Then it was decided to it was better to keep him alive as he was proving to be such an inept commander . And he was totally inept in the field of battle .
      
      I believe John Fitzgerald Kennedy made that remark during Hitlers rise to power in the 1930s. A bit of super Irish Patriot who fortunately for all of us was blithely ignored by the US government and non Axis world.
      
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      March 3, 2017 9:37am
    - cha
      
      Selective, incomplete and out of context, you dishonest sack of shit.
      
      After visiting these places, you can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived. He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made.
      
      https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy#Pre-1960
      
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      March 3, 2017 9:43am
      - EAD
        
        No Cha – you’re making it up and using the dubious “Wikiquote” to back it up you “dishonest sack of shit” 🙂 I’ve lifted mine straight from here:
        
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/a-berliner-in-1963-but-did-former-us-president-john-f-kennedy-once-admire-adolf-hitler-8629991.html
        
        In full
        
        After visiting Hitler’s bomb-damaged Bavarian Berghof residence and his Eagle’s Nest mountain retreat, Kennedy noted in his diary: “Anyone who has visited these places can imagine how in a few years, Hitler will emerge from the hate that now surrounds him and come to be regarded as one of the most significant figures ever to have lived.” He adds: “There was something mysterious about the way he lived and died which will outlive him and continue to flourish. He was made of the stuff of legends.”
        
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        March 3, 2017 10:14am
    - cha
      
      In full
      
      A quote explicitly attributed to John F. Kennedy, Prelude to Leadership: The Post-War Diary, Summer 1945 versus a brief news article citing, with no attribution, Oliver Ulbrich, the publisher of the diary excerpts.
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      http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/312701-after-visiting-these-two-places-berchtesgaden-and-the-eagle-s-lair
      
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      March 3, 2017 11:26am
- Griff
  
  The daily flail is a hate rag is old news .
  It was even supporting The Nazi scum sucking trash before the war .
  Using the daily flail to make your point is missing the point .
  Hitler was a great man as he rose to command a position as one of the most influential figures last century.
  That does not mean he was not a piece of shit unfit to lick road kill of the highway.
  
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  March 3, 2017 10:05am
  - EAD
    
    @ Griff,
    
    get with the times old man. The internet has democratised information.
    
    All these “never seen before” pics that Daily Mail have been around for years. The internet has forced them to show what they never could before: Hitler and his mates as humans, smiling, laughing, doing normal stuff. Bad move.
    
    You tube has had a similar effect – you can actually see first hand what Hitler was about and isn’t it odd that everything he stood against, is what is plaguing the West right now – Globalism, Decadence, multiculturalism, fake democracy, A Debt based monetary system and Cultural Marxism amongst others?
    
    See for yourself:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCISTzHnZNs
    
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    March 3, 2017 10:29am
    - Griff
      
      I would rather eat maggots of the aforementioned road kill than follow your links EAD .
      I read extensively from a wide variety of sources and make my own mind up .
      You follow crap blogs and spurt garbage .
      Any comment I make that seems to be addressed to you is for the benefit of others as I consider you a gibberingly stupid POS .
      Here is a link for you .
      http://www.indiewire.com/2017/02/richard-spencer-punched-in-the-face-fash-bash-bash-1201777489/
      
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      March 3, 2017 10:44am
      - starboard
        
        ..s’pose a roots outa the question then..
        
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        March 3, 2017 1:01pm
Inandout

Netflix – Hitler’s Career, Hitlers’s Bodyguards and many more. Obviously there is an interest in the uber evil chap.
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March 3, 2017 9:13am
B.L.Zeebub

Guy calls out MTVs racism, his delivery is irritating but on point,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIaWTSaoZ0M

Kinda like a junior Pat Condell.
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March 3, 2017 9:33am
dime

OMG i just went to the daily telegraph to read about last nights league.. there is a pay wall HAHAHAHA
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March 3, 2017 9:52am
Peter

There is nothing for white, heterosexual males on the left of the political spectrum.

Might explain why the left is collapsing worldwide.
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March 3, 2017 10:03am
Hugh Pavletich

Housing revealed as most important issue in helping Kiwis decide on vote | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/housing-revealed-most-important-issue-in-helping-kiwis-decide-vote

Housing has come out on top as the number one election issue in the 1NEWS Colmar Brunton poll. … view and read more via hyperlink above …

September 2016 TV One Colmar Brunton poll …

Majority want Govt action on affordable housing – poll | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/majority-want-govt-action-affordable-housing-poll.html?auto=5122516645001

A majority of New Zealanders think the Government should do more to make housing more affordable even if that means property values drop. … view and read more via hyperlink above …

May 2016 Newshub / Reid Research poll … THE POLL THAT ENDED JOHN KEY’S POLITICAL CAREER …

Opinion: John Key’s Govt has failed New Zealand on housing | Newshub

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/05/opinion-john-keys-govt-has-failed-new-zealand-on-housing.html#axzz49XsDT0NS

Opinion: John Key’s Govt has failed New Zealand on housing

The verdict is in: John Key’s government has failed the New Zealand public when it comes to controlling the housing market.

The failure has been made clear with an unprecedented 76 percent of voters in the latest Newshub-Reid Research poll saying ‘no, the Government is not doing enough when it comes to housing’. … view and read more via hyperlink above …
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March 3, 2017 10:09am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  New Zealand’s ‘housing crisis’ dominates domestic issues as New Zealand heads towards September election … Roy Morgan | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/news/86242/new-zealand%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98housing-crisis%E2%80%99-dominates-domestic-issues-new-zealand-heads-towards
  
  Michele Levine, Chief Executive Officer, Roy Morgan says:
  
  “New Zealand’s ‘Housing Crisis’ – mentioned by 26% of New Zealanders 15% (Housing affordability/ Increasing house prices) and 11% (Housing shortage/ Homelessness) as the biggest problems facing New Zealand in January is the key issue for New Zealand electors heading towards this year’s election.
  
  “Newly installed New Zealand Prime Minister Bill English announced in late January that New Zealand’s election would be held on Saturday September 23, 2017 – almost exactly three years to the day since former Prime Minister John Key won the 2014 New Zealand Election.
  
  “In addition the recent Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: 2017 named New Zealand’s largest city of Auckland (population of 1.5 million) as the world’s fourth least affordable major housing market behind Hong Kong, Sydney and Vancouver. A staggering 32% of Auckland residents mentioned either Housing affordability/ Increasing house prices (20%) or Housing shortage/ Homelessness (12%) as the biggest problems facing New Zealand – clearly higher than any other city or region of New Zealand.
  
  “Incredibly, New Zealand PM Bill English should know all about the Demographia Survey as now PM English is quoted in the opening notes to the paper saying: ‘It costs too long much and takes too long to build a house in New Zealand. Land has been made artificially scarce by regulation that locks up land for development. This regulation has made land supply unresponsive to demand’.
  
  “The ‘Housing Crisis’ resonates across all age groups: 18-24 (26%); 25-34 (25%); 35-49 (29%) and 50+ (26%) and both genders: Women (27%) cf. men (25%). Perhaps most importantly for a Government seeking re-election, the analysis shows over a quarter of National supporters (26%) and over a third of Labour supporters (35%) consider the ‘Housing Crisis’ New Zealand’s biggest problem while interestingly this opinion is shared by only 15% of New Zealand First supporters and just 11% of Greens supporters.
  
  “Given his remarks to the Demographia Survey at least New Zealand electors know that their Prime Minister knows about the problem – but will he be able to come up with policy solutions this year that show he is serious about tackling the problem? One thing is certain, if English fails to do so the Opposition parties including Labour, the Greens and New Zealand First will reap the rewards at this year’s election and possibly form Government.” … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  … Demographia in the news …
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=demographia&tbm=nws&*
  
  NEW ZEALAND HOUSING CONSENSUS: WHERE IS THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP ? (WITH DEMOGRAPHIA SURVEY RELLEASE 23 JANUARY 2017) … HUGH PAVLETUCH
  
  http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/auckland-worlds-fourth-hardest-to-buy.html
  
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  March 3, 2017 10:13am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Barfoot & Thompson says uncertainty over whether current prices provide value for money has seen sales volumes dive | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/86308/barfoot-thompson-says-uncertainty-over-whether-current-prices-provide-value-money-has
    
    Housing sales slumped in February for Auckland’s largest real estate agency, with most of the fall off occurring in the middle to bottom end of the market.
    
    Barfoot and Thompson sold just 556 homes in February, the lowest number of sales it has made in any month since December 2010 and the lowest number of sales in the month of February for at least 16 years.
    
    The agency sold 698 homes in February last year and 843 in February 2015. Last year’s February sales volumes were 142, or 20%, higher than February this year. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    March 3, 2017 11:56am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Onandonandonandonandon, ad infinitum.
    Prices are dropping in Auckland Hugh. Isn’t this what you want. It’s the market at work.
    What other markets would you like the Govt. to regulate?
    
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    March 3, 2017 12:00pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      NEW ZEALAND: Housing affordability improving in most parts of the country as prices fall faster than interest rates are rising, our latest Home Loan Affordability Reports show | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/86117/housing-affordability-improving-most-parts-country-prices-fall-faster-interest-rates
      
      Housing became more affordable for first home buyers in most parts of the country last month, as falling prices more than offset the extra costs of rising mortgage interest rates, according to interest.co.nz’s latest Home Loan Affordability Reports.
      
      The reports show that the fall in the Real Estate Institute of NZ’s lower quartile selling prices, which became evident in many parts of the country in December, intensified and spread to most parts of the country in January, with the falls in some places being significant.
      
      The REINZ’s lower quartile price (the price point that 25% of sales would be below and 75% would be above) declined in nine regions (Northland, Auckland, Waikato/Bay of Plenty, Taranaki, Wellington, Canterbury, Central Otago/Lakes, Otago and Southland in January compared to December, and continued to rise in only three, Hawke’s Bay, Manawatu/Whanganui and Nelson/Marlborough.
      
      In Auckland the lower quartile price peaked at $717,200 in November then dropped to $706,400 in December and $675,900 in January. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      NZ house prices to fall 12% – Leith van Onselen – Infometrics / MacroBusiness Australia
      … behind paywall …
      
      http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/02/nz-house-prices-fall-12/
      
      http://www.infometrics.co.nz/looming-economic-risks-nz/
      
      … extracts …
      
      After last year forecasting an 11% fall in New Zealand house prices by 2019, economic analysis and forecasting firm, Infometrics, has forecast a 12% decline in house values by 2020 on the back of falling population growth (net migration) and rising interest rates: …
      
      … New Zealand housing is easily the most expensive in the Anglosphere, valued at a whopping 3.9 times GDP and 9.2 times employee compensation (income):
      
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      March 3, 2017 1:02pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Naughty naughty Paula ! …
        
        … Late 2015 … but hidden …
        
        NZ Treasury: Government lacking Auckland land supply plan … MacroBusiness Australia
        
        http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/nz-treasury-government-lacking-auckland-land-supply-plan/
        
        … and late 2015 too …
        
        Auckland market in danger zone – RB | Radio New Zealand News
        
        http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/283784/auckland-market-in-danger-zone-rb
        
        The Auckland housing market is in dangerous territory, Reserve Bank Governor Graeme Wheeler says. …
        
        … But Mr Wheeler this afternoon told MPs the faster house prices rose in Auckland, the greater the likelihood of a steep price reversal.
        
        He said Auckland house prices were not sustainable.
        
        “The house price to income ratio for Auckland is at nine. It’s twice that for the rest of the country,” he said.
        
        “A ratio of nine puts you, according to Demographia figures, in the top 10 most expensive cities in the world.
        
        “This is just dangerous territory.” …
        
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        March 3, 2017 5:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gang rape convictions for 8 Iraqi immigrants to Austria
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39142620
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March 3, 2017 10:23am
- Longknives
  
  Stephieboy will be along any minute to deny that Rape actually happened…
  
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  March 3, 2017 11:11am
- Manolo
  
  Europeans are digging their own grave, aren’t they?
  
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  March 3, 2017 11:40am
  - Kimbo
    
    But they still have Physics! 😉
    
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    March 3, 2017 11:42am
virtualmark

Attorney General Jeff Sessions: “I have recused myself in the matters that deal with the Trump campaign”.

This story will build.

I predict Sessions will end up going. Sessions may argue that he just “failed to disclose” his contacts. But we need to be honest – he was asked directly, at least twice, and lied outright both times, at least once under oath.

More often than not in politics it’s the cover-up that does you in, not the initial transgression.

I predict too that a Special Prosecutor will be appointed to investigate the links between the Trump campaign and the Russians. Hard to say where that rabbit hole will go, but there’s a lot of smoke so there must be a risk someone will find a fire.
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March 3, 2017 10:24am
- cha
  
  This story will build.
  
  All the fun of the fair.
  
  Christopher Steele, the former MI6 spy who prepared the explosive Trump report, has been approached about testifying before the US Senate Intelligence Committee’s investigation into the new President’s alleged links with Russia, The Independent can reveal.
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-russia-christopher-steele-dossier-us-senate-intelligence-hotel-british-spy-mi6-evidence-a7608456.html
  
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  March 3, 2017 11:02am
  - Lucia Maria
    
    And Breitbart are putting out the story that all of this is a coordinated hit job on Trump et al. Their readers will just lap that explanation up.
    
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    March 3, 2017 11:15am
    - cha
      
      Frum lays it out.
      
      https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/837349920076083200
      
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      March 3, 2017 11:32am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Steele, the pay to make unsourced allegations man ? Sounds *serious*.
    
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    March 3, 2017 11:28am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      More like the man who hit pay-dirt a number of times, especially here:
      
      Mr Steele has been regularly supplying information to the FBI. In June last year, for instance, he produced a memo which went to the bureau stating that Mr Trump’s campaign team had agreed to a Russian request to dilute attention on Moscow’s intervention in Ukraine.
      
      Four days later Mr Trump stated that he would recognise Moscow’s annexation of Crimea: officials involved in his campaign having already asked the Republican party’s election platform to remove a pledge for military assistance to the Ukrainian government against separatist rebels in the east of the country.
      
      Mr Steele claimed the Trump campaign was taking this path because it was aware that the Russians were hacking Democratic Party emails. The same day that Mr Trump spoke about Crimea, he called on the Kremlin to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails.
      
      No wonder Trump wants him discredited.
      
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      March 3, 2017 12:11pm
- Ed Snack
  
  No he didn’t “lie under oath”. He was directly asked about his contacts with the Russians as part of Trumps campaign – NOT about his contacts with the Russians with no context. That was the whole point of the exercise, Trump’s campaign alleged contacts.
  
  Sessions, at the time, was not a member of the Trump campaign, he was a senator and on several Senate committees that regularly met foreign ambassadors and the like. It’s not like anyone couldn’t jut easily check that Sessions had met and talked to Russians as a Senator – it’s part of the public record.
  
  Just another part of the hit job aided and abetted by a lying media.
  
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  March 3, 2017 11:27am
  - virtualmark
    
    Ed,
    
    No. Sessions was clearly a part of Trump’s campaign, and indeed was a speaker at several of Trump’s rallies before the alleged meetings with Kisylak.
    
    Personally I’d say his first meeting with Kisylak is a non-event. It was a passing conversation in a public setting at an event where a lot of ambassadors had been invited.
    
    But the September meeting was in private in Session’s Senate office – and it happened after Sessions had thrown his lot in with the Trump campaign. You can spin the “as a Senator he met with lots of foreign ambassadors” all you like … but that exact argument is why the WaPo asked all the Senators on those committees about their contact with Kisylak and all responded to say they had had no private meetings with him.
    
    You are letting your Trump fandom get in the way of the facts.
    
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    March 3, 2017 12:31pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Ed Snack,
    
    No he didn’t “lie under oath”.
    
    Really?
    
    At his Jan. 10 Judiciary Committee confirmation hearing, Sessions was asked by Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) what he would do if he learned of any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of the 2016 campaign.
    
    “I’m not aware of any of those activities,” he responded. He added: “I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians.”
    
    He was clearly affiliated with Trump’s campaign – and note he himself says “I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign”. Then he says “I did not have communications with the Russians.”
    
    That is the cover-up that will sink him.
    
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    March 3, 2017 12:36pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Give it away, virtualmark. Ed Snack is not only an American Constitutional scholar and legal expert, but also a clairvoyant, able to predict the lottery-like outcomes of any legal and or Congress-initiated investigations. /sarc
      
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      March 3, 2017 12:49pm
  - VicParking
    
    Right on.
    This has been quoted time and time again but the snow flakes just ignore it. All he was doing was is current job at the time, nothing more nothing less.
    
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    March 3, 2017 1:38pm
- Ross12
  
  Sessions has recused himself from an inquiry which will be a very expensive waste of time , coming up with nothing of note.
  So not great loss for Sessions who has much more important issues to tackle.
  
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  March 3, 2017 12:19pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Ross12,
    
    You keep telling yourself that … right up to the time when the Special Prosecutor subpoenas Trump’s tax returns.
    
    This is a hand grenade sitting under the Trump presidency.
    
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    March 3, 2017 12:34pm
- Inandout
  
  Were Obama’s lot subjected to painstaking examination? Did Obama’s lot have any contact with radical Muslim clerics, or it just Russia that matters now?
  
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  March 3, 2017 12:25pm
  - SGA
    
    Have you read nothing that Manolo has posted in the last 9 years 🙂 🙂
    
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    March 3, 2017 1:05pm
    - Manolo
      
      Spot on, my mate!
      
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      March 3, 2017 1:13pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “Did Obama’s lot have any contact with radical Muslim clerics,..” ??
    
    Not that I’m aware of but Manolo might be able to point to his impeccable MSM Fox . Or even Breitbart or WND.
    
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    March 3, 2017 1:56pm
Lucia Maria

Oh, thank goodness, there is a General Debate! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

I don’t have to email DPF this morning.

Not that I mind performing this essential public service given how much GD is needed as an outlet for many here.

Some mornings it has been quite late, as after 8am is my busy time. Just got back from shopping, tidied up a bit and made coffee. Checked Twitter, Google News and now KiwiBlog.

And then didn’t post this for half an hour because I got distracted by my son who wanted to look at my integration notes.
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March 3, 2017 10:36am
kowtow

More multicultural joy in Islamified Germany.
‘Twil only get worse.

“The Düsseldorf authority further explained that Muslim students were “praying provocatively” inside the school building. This was making other students and teachers feel uncomfortable, so the administration decided to step in. ”

https://www.thelocal.de/20170302/outrage-after-muslim-students-told-not-to-pray-provocatively-at-school
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March 3, 2017 10:41am
- Inandout
  
  Interesting to read why Muslim men and women pray separately. The men may get a hard on by looking at a woman’s arse; well that is how I interpret it.
  
  ‘Muslim men believe men and women must be separated during prayer because men are lustful and will think inappropriate thoughts about women. By praying separately, men are able to keep their thoughts pure and can focus on praying to Allah.
  Many Muslim women agree they should be kept separate from men during from prayer in order for them to feel more comfortable. Some women breastfeed their children during prayer periods and having no men around makes them feel more at ease. Muslim women are also comfortable being separated because it means they do not have to worry about men looking at their backside while they are prostrated on the ground during prayer’.
  
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  March 3, 2017 12:34pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Not really sure what your problem is with that. If you want to observe your prayer time properly, then you should look to ensure that you are free from distraction, and the presence of the opposite sex – particularly with their a*ses on obvious display – is something that might reasonable be regarded as distracting. The thinking behind women-only gyms and yoga classes is pretty similar
    
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    March 3, 2017 12:56pm
    - Inandout
      
      I can’t hide my amusement when I see a Muslim praying. Reminds me of the ‘ostrich position’.
      
      http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/files/2016/06/Ostrich-man-head-in-sand.gif
      
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      March 3, 2017 2:17pm
- stephieboy
  
  “Islamified Germany ” ?
  
  2% of 80 million !
  
  Get off the grass !
  
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  March 3, 2017 2:00pm
cha

Drip

drip

drip

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WASHINGTON — Michael T. Flynn, then Donald J. Trump’s incoming national security adviser, had a previously undisclosed meeting with the Russian ambassador in December to “establish a line of communication” between the new administration and the Russian government, the White House said on Thursday.

Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and now a senior adviser, also participated in the meeting at Trump Tower with Mr. Flynn and Sergey I. Kislyak, the Russian ambassador. But among Mr. Trump’s inner circle, it is Mr. Flynn who appears to have been the main interlocutor with the Russian envoy — the two were in contact during the campaign and the transition, Mr. Kislyak and current and former American officials have said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/02/us/politics/kushner-flynn-sessions-russia.html?smid=tw-share
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March 3, 2017 10:58am
- Ross12
  
  Politicians meet with Ambassadors all the time. That is why they live and work in capital cities all around the world.
  Even Democrat Senators meet with the Russian Ambassador although they send out Tweets saying they haven’t met him — do some research on Senator Claire McCaskill saying this. Unfortunately there are photos on the Net to prove her wrong. Will she be asked to resign ?
  BTW there was absolutely nothing wrong with her meeting the Russian ambassador as part of her job, just like Jeff Sessions did and Mike Flynn.
  
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  March 3, 2017 11:30am
- cha
  
  Drip
  
  drip
  
  !
  
  At least two more members of the Trump campaign’s national security officials also spoke with Kislyak at the event, and several more Trump national security advisers were in attendance.
  
  It’s unknown what the Trump campaign officials who spoke with the ambassador – J.D. Gordon and Carter Page – discussed with him. Those who took part in the events in Cleveland said it is not unusual for presidential campaign teams to interact with diplomats.
  
  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/03/02/exclusive-two-other-trump-advisers-also-spoke-russian-envoy-during-gop-convention/98648190/
  
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  March 3, 2017 11:36am
  - Nev.
    
    Do the drips mean some sort of torture implied in reading your posts?
    Nev.
    
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    March 3, 2017 12:04pm
    - Inandout
      
      Or drip refers to the writer.
      
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      March 3, 2017 12:28pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Trickle,
      
      Trickle
      
      Trickle
      
      How many of Obama’s campaign team interacted and had contact with Russian officials during his 2009 campaign ?
      
      Plus, did he actually admire the Russian leader ?
      
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      March 3, 2017 2:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        did he actually admire the Russian leader
        
        Well, Obama did praise Putin for his extraordinary work on behalf of the Russian people.
        http://www.rferl.org/a/Obama_Praises_Putin_At_First_Meeting/1770944.html
        
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        March 3, 2017 3:53pm
Ed Snack

Hmmm, I wonder why nobody in the MSM seemed worried about Obama when he said that he would have “more flexibility” after the election to the Russians in 2012. Couldn’t be the same sort of thing could it ?
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March 3, 2017 11:29am
- Griff
  
  No ed he was not negotiating with the Russians before the election in private or perjure himself denying the contact with Russia.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act
  
  953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
  
  Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
  
  Sessions is dead meat
  This may reverberate all the way to Trump.
  
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  March 3, 2017 1:33pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ed Snack , your typical disengenuous self . Did Obama or his campaighn team have unofficial contacts with Russian officials prior to or during the campaign ?
  
  Yes , he may of tried the ” flexibility “option but a no brainer after the Crimea invasion , the downing of MH 17 and of course the Donetsk rebels / Ukraine aspirations for independence etc .
  
  With Trump the cards are now again out on the table .All renogotiable .
  
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  March 3, 2017 2:20pm
Manolo

For Kimbo, avid amateur cosmologist: “How it ends” by Chris Impey.
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March 3, 2017 11:42am
- Kimbo
  
  “Big Crunch”?
  
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  March 3, 2017 11:43am
  - Manolo
    
    Yes, but written in a very fine way. The life of the cosmos from beginning to end, after which one is left with an understanding of the “deep time” concept. Worth reading.
    
    If you no longer want to receive my daily tip, just tell me.
    
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    March 3, 2017 11:48am
    - Kimbo
      
      Not at all. Keep ’em coming.
      
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      March 3, 2017 11:49am
    - Kimbo
      
      Mind, you, and a bit outside Impey’s expertise, he’s presumed an influence external to the Universe won’t intervene first! 😉
      
      1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” The Revelation 21: 1-4
      
      Although, and just for Scott who wants to inject the Bible into the school science curriculum, and contrary to the cosmology of the writer of the Apocalypse, the actual “heavens and the earth” is not a solid polished dome over a flat disc earth.
      
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      March 3, 2017 11:56am
      - Manolo
        
        I confess that as a simple-individual (simpleton?) the concepts of a deity and a mythical saga called religion escape me altogether! 😀
        
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        March 3, 2017 12:09pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I recall Christopher Hitchens saying the same thing. That to him, the claims of religions concerning deity was like ‘white noise”. Intriguing.
        
        Anyway, thank you.
        
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        March 3, 2017 12:16pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, Kimbo amateur cosmologists ? You a professional cosmologist / astrophysicist based at say at Sidings Springs or Mt John , Mt Kitt etc?
  
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  March 3, 2017 2:25pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Don’t you read, stephieboy?
    
    Even theists and cobblers can wonder about the mechanics of the Universe.
    
    It is not the preserve of the illuminati.
    
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    March 3, 2017 3:39pm
Manolo

Very active Obama moles:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html

In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election — and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn’t duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
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March 3, 2017 12:13pm
cmm

Looters get off without conviction: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/89916837/looters-describe-finding-kaikoura-train-after-earthquake

They felt it was fine to take stuff because they were running out of food etc. Sure, if you need to steal to survive that’s morally Ok so long as you only take what you need and only take stuff for survival. Then you should also leave some sort of IOU to indicate that you intend to pay people back.

If I had to steal food to feed my family I’d do it in a heartbeat. However you’d see me fishing first.

Stealing a motorbike is hardly survival.

These blokes are lucky it wasn’t the 1950s when looters were shot on sight.
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March 3, 2017 12:17pm
- MCos
  
  Were there instances of looters legally shot on sight in NZ in the 1950s?
  
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  March 3, 2017 1:18pm
  - cmm
    
    It probably didn’t happen, but nor did the looting.
    
    The reason the looting didn’t happen was because nobody would have batted an eyelid if a looter was shot.
    
    The only reason we have so much looting these days is because people feel entitled to exploit situations like earthquakes to steal stuff.
    
    201o/11 EQs saw lots of looting in Chch. It wasn’t hungry people looking for food – it was fat people stealing flat screens.
    
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    March 3, 2017 2:45pm
- Griff
  
  Clark said he convinced Garrett to take the goods back.
  
  “I’d never stolen anything in my life. I’m not a thief. But we didn’t have food or water or anything.
  
  “I didn’t want the police to show up about it. I could see that it wasn’t going to pan out so well.”
  
  Garrett took the goods back, leaving Clark at home.
  
  Garrett said he passed a police truck on the way there and made a split-second decision to tell the officer.
  
  “I knew the consequences for what I had done, and I cannot argue the charges laid at the time,” Garrett said.
  
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  March 3, 2017 2:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    What an interesting coincidence of surnames.
    
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    March 3, 2017 3:20pm
    - kowtow
      
      I’m delighted the courts see fit to pass piss weak penalties for looting , when we get the Big One and people really will be pressed to provide for their families , the cops and perhaps the military may have to shoot lots of these selfish cretins , pour encourage les autres as the Frogs are want to say , eh bro?
      
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      March 3, 2017 3:41pm
cha

@ Dazzaman

I think Mr Wiginton thought the N in NAAP meant something other than National.
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March 3, 2017 12:30pm
RF

Did I just hear Barry Soper on News Talk ZB dropping Labour in the crap concerning a very embarrassing email that should have been in house.

Looks as if Labour members were told to go through their old emails, photos etc and delete any that are incriminating or could be used by National etc…

Somehow the media were included in this email.

What a useless bunch……
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March 3, 2017 12:35pm
- Nev.
  
  Will they be deleting references to former leaders? And our memories? All interactions I have had with labour members have been incriminating by their actions.
  
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  March 3, 2017 1:18pm
  - rangitoto
    
    No doubt personae non gratae will be photoshopped out of any photographs.
    
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    March 3, 2017 2:07pm
    - sooty
      
      What are they getting rid of evidence before prune face hager releases his book?
      
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      March 3, 2017 6:21pm
Manolo

stephieboy will swear to Allah: Sweden is paradise!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4269576/KATIE-HOPKINS-reports-Scandi-lib-paradise-Sweden.html

Within twelve hours of my landing in Sweden, an asylum centre was burned down, arson suspected; a hand grenade was planted in a bin, either for the police or the mosque; and another hand grenade exploding, injuring one in Malmö.

Whether this noisy stuff matters or not is open to debate. I’d argue this is madness. I am in utter disbelief that this is Sweden in the 21st century, a country idolised for its ultra-advanced ideals.
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March 3, 2017 1:26pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo,
  
  “Katie Hopkins Issues Extraordinary Apology To Muslim Family After Mail Online Columns
  
  The columnist’s apology tweet has become her most shared ever.
  
  Katie Hopkins has been forced to apologise for a string of mistruths and defamatory claims about a British Muslim family barred from travelling to the United States.
  
  The columnist wrote in the Mail Online last year about Britain’s “Mickey Mouse” border security, and how the US’ decision to deny the family access proved it was “protecting its own people”.
  
  In one of the pieces, Hopkins had quipped: “You can’t prosecute the truth”….”
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/katie-hopkins-apologises_uk_5857b020e4b0e9baa877e873
  
  “You can’t prosecute the truth” ???
  
  LOL !
  
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  March 3, 2017 2:12pm
  - Manolo
    
    You’re dodging the issue, stephieboy. The article is about the Muslim-Scandinavian paradise.
    
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    March 3, 2017 2:27pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, its also about the credibility of Katie Hopkins ( DM reporter ) and her very real biases and prejudices ?
      
      http://the-challenge.org/ncs-media/blog/246-katie-hopkins-prejudices-and-our-fears
      
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      March 3, 2017 2:31pm
  - rangitoto
    
    You’ll have to do better than citing a fake news site.
    
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    March 3, 2017 5:31pm
- Inandout
  
  If I lived in Sweden I would hang a pork chop from my front door to deter invaders. Their cleansing process takes a while so they wouldn’t risk touching the meat.
  
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  March 3, 2017 2:34pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , you would naturally include Synagogues in your madness ?
    
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    March 3, 2017 2:36pm
    - Inandout
      
      I bet you love the smell of bacon cooking and wish you could have a nosh up with eggs and fries. Bet you wish you had a pet dog to walk around the streets of Roskillastan, with your wife two steps behind the dog.
      
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      March 3, 2017 2:59pm
      - stephieboy
        
        More proof of your madness . Keep it up .
        
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        March 3, 2017 3:24pm
  - kowtow
    
    Probably be a hate crime. You’re discriminating against Muslim burglars and many would find that offensive.
    
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    March 3, 2017 3:45pm
Captain Mainwaring

This is a bit of a laugh.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11811458

Go Labour, don’t make arses of yourselves.
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March 3, 2017 2:33pm
- krazykiwi
  
  At least it gives them something meaningful to do. Something to occupy a few hours for most. Or a few days for some. Imagine the full-time deletion activity that would have been demanded of David Benson-Pope back in the day. He would have needed meals delivered, no-doze tablets on hand 🙂
  
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  March 3, 2017 2:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Confession time folks…

Stephieboy was right all along.

I am a white supremacist and the evidence abounds within my home. I not only own a Celtic cross, I have bought ones for my daughters. I have Celtic designs on my wedding ring. A photo of a Celtic Cross outside an Abbey adorns my dining room wall.
I have at least 30 books in my library replete with Celtic crosses and symbols.

But, wait, there is more, Grandad Hugh and Uncle Gregor have their names engraved on a war memorial designed in the form of a Celtic Cross.
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/03/82/9d/17/war-memorial-iona.jpg

However, I do not have a Celtic tattoo….. (yet!)
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March 3, 2017 2:45pm
- Manolo
  
  What if design some shoes for you with a Celtic cross theme, dear Maggy? Consider it done.
  
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  March 3, 2017 2:49pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Make sure it’s a Scot’s Celtic Cross..
    I don’t want some Paddy shoes
    https://68.media.tumblr.com/9c07d56c23f7b8dcb730606bfdd05fd6/tumblr_nmwndj7c0d1u8paxqo1_r2_400.gif
    
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    March 3, 2017 3:01pm
- stephieboy
  
  Maggy W, play pen and rattle the cots sides time .
  
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  March 3, 2017 3:25pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Not at all stephieboy…
    
    just taking a break from cutting down shrubs in this baking sunshine…
    
    My pure white Celtic/Aryan skin doesn’t cope with long exposures to UV.
    
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    March 3, 2017 3:44pm
mandk

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/88439627/auckland-mother-sentenced-for-wilfully-neglecting-children-who-ate-rotten-bread-to-survive

“But some community workers in south Auckland say not all the blame should be heaped on Pita – society bears some responsibility for the pressure families in the south are being subjected to.”

In this particular case, that response is ludicrous.

It reminds me of Monty Python’s Dead Bishop sketch:
“How do you plead?”
“Guilty, as charged, but society is to blame.”
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March 3, 2017 3:02pm
Inandout

Larry is talking about Swedish migrant crime right now.
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March 3, 2017 4:14pm
EAD

I know that many posters like to look at their up-vote count, and it would appear that Breitbart is a good place to accumulate them.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/01/jeff-sessions-fake-news-washington-post-misquote-used-target/

One comment today, on a thread about the attempt to get John Sessions to resign, was:

Every time Trump has a good day, the media tosses out another fresh batch of ‘Russia Conspiracy’

We can turn it into a drinking game!

So far it has garnered no fewer than 876 up-votes!

The public is cottoning on to these b*s*t*rds in the MSM.
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March 3, 2017 4:33pm
- EAD
  
  Irish Savant offers sound some advice to Trump on the Sessions “affair”:
  
  http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/03/politicus-hibernicus-and-their-lesson.html
  
  ABRIDGED:
  
  You see a Deep State guerrilla war is underway against President Trump. His winning the Presidency was – like BREXIT – never meant nor expected to happen and represented a shocking setback to the NWO globalists. They’re regrouping now to emasculate his Administration by taking down key members one by one, distracting Trump and undermining both his credibility and legitimacy.
  
  Having taken out Mike Flynn they’re now targeting Jeff Sessions. And there will be many more. Already many Republicans are calling for him to recuse himself while a Special Prosecutor investigates. They think that Sessions won’t be found guilty of anything meaningful and that the investigation can be used to highlight the tsunami of Democratic corruption, especially that of the Clinton Crime Family. Big mistake! Because the Deep State has no interest in the truth or justice of this case. They just want to neutralise Sessions and wound Trump. As soon as Sessions stands aside they’ll target someone else and then someone else again until Trump is eventually driven from office.
  
  So how can the worthless time servers in Ireland’s parliament possibly be of assistance here? Well they instinctively possess one priceless weapon. A brass neck. Or more colloquially, a neck like a jockey’s balls. Irish politicians and senior public administrators just do not resign. No matter how incompetent or conflicted, no matter the hue and cry throughout the land, they will not resign unless they’re legally forced to. And that hardly ever happens*. Their hind brains inform them that the public attention span is shorter than that of a goldfish, that within a little while attention will drift off to some other distraction as demands for resignation fade away.
  
  And that’s what Trump should do. Tell everyone that his Administration is under existential attack by the Deep State, corrupt Democrats (a tautology) and the Fake News media and that they won’t succeed in preventing him implement the programme for which he was elected. Jeff Sessions is going back to his job in the morning and you can stick your investigation. Sure there’ll be a hullabaloo but that will pass. As any Irish public figure would explain. Of course he’ll need the Republican Congresscritters to back him up. If they don’t he should go over their heads to the people.
  
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  March 3, 2017 4:39pm
mandk

This is a really good illustration of why official stats on the number of jobseekers who fail drugs tests tell only part of the story.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/90016303/new-plymouth-restaurant-struggles-to-find-drugfree-kiwis-while-overseas-workers-pass-tests

It also adds weight to what the PM was saying the other day about some young NZers (note: some)
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March 3, 2017 4:40pm
- EAD
  
  Yes Mandk we know – A kiwi may have conquered Everest, we may have the highest % of University educated people (33%) living overseas offering their talents to grateful overseas nations but yeah, just keep up that narrative that Kiwis are drug fuelled lay-abouts (yes I agree with you there are some).
  
  But what really annoys me is the next step of the mass immigration justification argument which is to extol the hard working virtues of wonderful immigrants (and yes there are lots, particularly Filipinos).
  
  My own eyes tell me that most immigrants are shop assistants at place like Muffin Break. The ability to buy a muffin and coffee on credit from low wage workers is hardly worth radically altering our country’s demographics for now it it?
  
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  March 3, 2017 4:49pm
  - mandk
    
    You are the product of mass immigration, as is everyone else in NZ, so I find it difficult to buy into your “I’m on board, Jack, pull up the anchor” sentiment.
    
    And you must be leading a really sheltered, or blinkered, life if the only immigrants you come across are those who serve you at Muffin Break.
    
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    March 3, 2017 5:08pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    EAD,
    
    You obviously have never been anywhere near the IT sector. Heaps of immigrants working there.
    
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    March 3, 2017 5:37pm
chiz

Oops:

Vice President Mike Pence routinely used a private email account to conduct public business as governor of Indiana, at times discussing sensitive matters and homeland security issues.

[…]
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March 3, 2017 4:52pm
Nostradamus

Inmate does runner during funeral release

An inmate released from Auckland Central Remand Prison to attend a family funeral has done a runner.

Police believe Tuakana Matthews, 25, might be on the run with his teenage girlfriend who is also wanted.

Matthews was released from the Mt Eden prison to attend a funeral and was ordered to return to the facility by 5.30pm on Tuesday, February 21. He failed to return and a warrant was issued for his arrest.

My interpretation of this is that the guy was let out unsupervised.

“Tuakana should not be approached by the public and all sightings of him should be reported to police immediately by calling 111,” said the spokeswoman.

WTF? If he’s that dangerous that he “should not be approached by the public” then why on earth was he let out unsupervised?
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March 3, 2017 5:10pm
- kowtow
  
  “ordered to return”
  
  He should have been handcuffed to a prison officer.
  Oh wait , that would be offensive and insensitive.
  
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  March 3, 2017 5:32pm
- Inandout
  
  I guess Amy Adams, as Minister of Justice, is not a hard line person considering what she has gone through. Collins had a different approach.
  
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  March 3, 2017 5:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Cultural misunderstanding about the meaning of “going to”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/90022883/west-coast-couples-fine-for-noise-complaint-over-classical-music-dismissed-by-judge
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March 3, 2017 5:43pm
- nasska
  
  Had the complaint been about hard rock played at an equivalent volume then the council’s sanctions would have stood. Because the noise was “cultural” & “classical” the defendants got away with it.
  
  A noise is a bloody noise, be it Beethoven, ACDC or a chainsaw.
  
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  March 3, 2017 6:08pm
realityczech

Winston Peters said the decision had been made to pull defense house back in February. Once again he was right. National lies.
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March 3, 2017 5:50pm
- CrazyIvan
  
  February? Wot, three days ago?
  
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  March 3, 2017 6:37pm
- Happychappy
  
  Do they own the building, they have to let the owner make the decision not Winston Peters. The owner decided the cost was to high to repair and easier to rebuild. Decisions like this take time to compare costing it only takes second for the ego of Peters to let his trout mouth loose.
  
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  March 3, 2017 6:40pm
Lucia Maria

Late Night with Seth Myers (youtube clip lasting 10 min 44 seconds):

Jeff Sessions, Trump and Russia: A Closer Look

And yesterday’s (8 min 5 seconds):

Media Fawns Over Trump’s New Tone: A Closer Look

I’m quite enjoying watching these – it’s a different way of getting the news. After reading about it all, you get the comedian presentation of it.
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March 3, 2017 6:04pm
Lucia Maria

Here’s another one from several days ago, from The Late Show with Stephen Colbert (10 minutes 29 seconds):

Jon Stewart To The Media: It’s Time To Get Your Groove Back

Given that the media fawned over Trump after his speech to Congress (oh, he’s so presidential!), it looks like a large number of the media did not take up the hobby of journalism as Jon suggested. Thankfully, there is still some media in the US that is not afraid of the false “fake news” derogatory label that Trump is attempted to plaster them with.
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March 3, 2017 6:39pm
krazykiwi

Man claims he’s the legitimate heir to the throne (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11811248)

Apparently he’s going to wait until Liz pops off, out of his ‘deepest respect’ for her.

I guess it’ll then be US Allan or cloth-ears Charlie.

Tough call.
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March 3, 2017 7:02pm
reid3

Methinks the insane hysteria over Russia needs to stop. It probably will not. For reasons of domestic and imperial politics the American public is again being manipulated into a war frenzy by Washington and New York. It is stupid, without justification, and dangerous.

The silliness over Russia is, obviously, part of the Establishment’s drive to get rid of Trump. Yes, the man is erratic, contradictory, shoots before he aims, backs off much of what he has promised, and may be unqualified as President–but that is not why Washington and New York want to get rid of him. It is about money and power, as is everything in the United States. Wall Street, the Pentagon, the Neocons, and the Empire run America. Trump has threatened their rice bowls.

Consider:

He has threatened to cut the F-35, a huge blow to Lockheed-Martin and hundreds of subcontractors; to pull US troops out of South Korea, a blow to the Empire; to end the wars, a blow both to the Empire and the military industry getting rich from them; to pull troops out of Okinawa, crippling the Empire in the Pacific; to start a trade war with China with a forty-five percent tariff of Chinese goods, threatening American corporations with factories there; and to chase out illegal immigrants, an important source of cheap labor to businesses. He has called NATO “obsolete,” when leaving it would be the death knell of the Empire; and threatened to establish good relations with Russia, when the lack of a European enemy would leave NATO even more obviously unnecessary.

Thus New York and its branch operation in Washington resuscitate Russia as a bugbear to terrify the rubes,meaning most of the public. Money. Power. Empire.

I frequently see the assertion that Russia “hacked” voting machines to give the election to President Trump. The majority who are excited about this, I suspect the very great majority, have not the foggiest idea what they are talking about. Hacking to most people means something they saw in a movie, with some bright kid going clickety-click-click on a laptop and penetrating NORAD. It is a vague menace lacking specific content. To them I would say:

If you cannot program in assembly language, you do not know how computers work. If you do not know TCP/IP from DHCP, you do not know how the internet works. If you cannot tell a dictionary attack from stack overflow, you don’t have a housefly’s idea how hacking works. If you have not investigated the various kinds of voting machines to see what would be involved in changing their vote totals, you probably ought to take up stamp collecting.

This is all orchestrated. So is the constant Putin bashing. His sin of course is that he doesn’t knuckle under to Washington. It is also the sin of Iran, China, Cuba, and North Korea.

The con is often silly. From time to time we see screaming headlines headlines, RUSSIAN BOMBER FLIES OFF AMERICAN COAST! Or somebody’s coast. Recently it was A SPY SHIP! The “bomber” is usually a Tu-95 Bear (NATO designation), an ancient four-engine prop job, though a beautiful aircraft, converted for reconnaissance. The idea that Moscow would send one lumbering plane to bomb America is too stupid–well, no, nothing is too stupid.

Of course Lucia’s a programmer so she already knows it’s just idiotic but because she’s so emotively wrapped in a pre-determined position she insists the fantasy is true. Poor thing.

Other idiots who believe it, of course don’t have the same excuse, apart from being idiots.

http://www.unz.com/freed/a-budget-without-russians/
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March 3, 2017 7:07pm
- Ross12
  
  Part 1 of an interesting interview for you Reid
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFEKsxl5gYk
  
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  March 3, 2017 9:10pm
  - reid3
    
    Thanks Ross, most appreciated.
    
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    March 3, 2017 9:59pm
  - EAD
    
    Interesting viewing Ross – thanks very much.
    
    I first heard of the presenter, Bill Still when I was going through the learning stage of the ins and outs of our monetary system.
    
    It was this video of his which was one of the biggest “light-bulb” moments of the lot:
    
    Bill Still: “The Secret of Oz”
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sboh-_w43W8
    
    PS: Thanks Reid for the intellhub link last night on the Debt supercycle. I referenced it in one of my posts earlier this morning if you caught it:
    
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/general_debate_3_march_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1883591
    
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    March 3, 2017 11:01pm
krazykiwi

If you cannot program in assembly language, you do not know how computers work

Really? I do, but the way, but if you make assertions like that you don’t know dialog works.

Btw, nice to see you still here reid 🙂
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March 3, 2017 7:13pm
- reid3
  
  Thank you too kk, nice to be here.
  
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  March 3, 2017 10:00pm
Nev.

Lordes new song reminds me of Kate Bush minus the talent.

Nev.
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March 3, 2017 7:25pm
- Inandout
  
  Yes, what people see in her I fail to understand. Perhaps it is just her weirdness.
  
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  March 3, 2017 7:43pm
  - Nev.
    
    Settle Down
    Kimbra is way more talented.
    
    Edit and 100 times as weird. Look up her live shows, at least she runs her own loops and vocals.
    Nev.
    
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    March 3, 2017 7:51pm
    - Nev.
      
      Settle Down live, to prove my point.
      
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      March 3, 2017 7:57pm
      - sooty
        
        What about our marverllous lizzie, dont leave her out. There must be an anthem to sing somewhere.
        
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        March 3, 2017 8:58pm
      - sam green
        
        Yup. Kimbra awesome! Talent! I wouldn’t compare them though. Kimbra and Lorde I mean. Just different styles. I just get annoyed at how disrespectful people have been about our young musicians. Sure – we all have different tastes but – celebrate the talent. Go hard girls!
        
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        March 3, 2017 10:26pm
- Fletch
  
  The young ppl at work put this kind of music on. I know old people say this, but it all kind of sounds the same to me – this tepid, modern, beat-boxy stuff that all sounds the same. Horrible stuff.
  
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  March 3, 2017 8:46pm
reid3

According to official US economic data, the US Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has expanded for 22 quarters, raising real GDP 12.1% above its high prior to the 2008-09 economic contraction. Yet, US manufacturing output and US industrial production have not recovered to their pre-contraction high.

So what is driving the real GDP growth? In my opinion, the rise in real GDP is an illusion produced by the under-measurement of inflation.

As I have reported on many occasions, John Williams of shadowstats.com has concluded that changes in the way that the government approaches the measurement of inflation has, in effect, defined inflation away.

Formerly, if a price of an item in an inflation measure rose, the inflation rate would rise by the price times the weight of the item in the index. Today, if a price of an item in an inflation measure rises, that item is removed from the index, and a lower cost item substituted in its place.

A second way that government has contrived in order to undermeasure inflation is to declare price rises “quality improvements” and not count the higher price as inflation.

Using these methods, an 8% rate of inflation can, for example, be reduced to a 2% inflation rate.

The low inflation rate is what produces the appearance of real GDP growth…

…The main reason that the government revamped its measurement of inflation is to save money by denying Social Security recipients cost-of-living-adjustments. During the many years that retirees have had no interest income on their retirement savings due to the Federal Reserve’s low interest rate policy in support of the balance sheets of the “banks too big to fail,” retirees have also been denied cost-of-living adjustments to their Social Security pensions….

…To speak frankly, the picture of the economy that is presented to the public is a virtual reality contrived to take the place of the real reality. The economic recovery, the low inflation and unemployment rates are no more real than Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction, Assad’s use of chemical weapons, Iranian nukes, and Russian invasion of Ukraine. As in the movie, the Matrix in which Americans live is the product of government’s ability to control the explanations.

As John Williams says, the government’s “GDP reporting is not close to being credible.” The Federal Reserve’s Industrial Production Index represents 61% of GDP and remains below its peak prior to the 2008-09 economic contraction. Yet the government says real GDP is 12.1% higher.

Try finding any discussion of this inconsistency in the financial media.

There have always been biases in the media, but the 21st century has seen the rise of fake news in order to advance agendas. For example, the neoconservative agenda of overthrowing seven countries in the Middle East in five years was served by the fake news about Saddam Hussein, Gadaffi, Assad, and Iran. The military/security complex’s agenda of a New Cold War was served by the fake news of Russian invasion and threat to Europe. President Trump’s intention of restoring normal relations with Russia was defeated by fake news of Russian interference in the presidential election and Trump’s alleged connections to Russian intelligence.

Practically the entire US population belived the obvious, transparent lies about Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran and perhaps most still do.

The print and TV media and much of the Internet media create the virtual reality that supports the agendas of the ruling elites, depriving the people of comprehension of factual reality.

Democracy cannot function when lies crowd out truth in the service of hidden agendas. Neither can life on earth. As terrible as the two 20th century World Wars were in the expenditure of life and destruction of cities, the weapons were puny compared to the thermo-nuclear weapons of today.

According to reports, just one Russian Satan II nuclear missile has sufficient destructive force to obliterate France or the state of Texas.

Russia, surrounded by 28 hostile NATO countries egged on by insane neoconservatives and crazed US generals, relies on nuclear weapons to protect its homeland. In recent years, various Russian officials have said that Russia will never again fight a war on its own territory. This should tell us something, but it hasn’t.

If you have a brain, ask yourself what this orchestrated conflict with Russia is about. Putin has said that he wants no conflict, that Russia threatens no one. But the Western presstitutes declare that Russia is a threat, and the generals who Trump has appointed to the highest positions in his new
government say that “Russia is the principal threat to the US.” If you believe Putin, you are a Russian dupe or even a traitor. If you believe the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, you have signed up for Armageddon.

http://www.unz.com/proberts/can-truth-prevail/
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March 3, 2017 7:37pm
Viking2

how farmers deal to protestors.

http://defiantamerica.com/farmer-sprays-poop-emma-thompson-trespassing-land/
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March 3, 2017 7:59pm
nasska

One reason men and women are different…

Say ballroom to a woman she thinks dancing.
Say ballroom to a man he thinks boxer shorts.
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March 3, 2017 8:20pm
Nev.

My girlfriend told me she was getting a brazilian. Imagine my suprise when I came home and found Juan fucking her.

Nev.
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March 3, 2017 8:40pm
stigie

Had the hots for Kate Bush back in the day, but i suppose every decent man did..?
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March 3, 2017 9:04pm
- nasska
  
  I was always madly, truly, deeply in love & lust with Suzi Quatro stigie. 🙂
  
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  March 3, 2017 9:08pm
- Nev.
  
  For me it was Agnetha. Hottest blonde ever.
  
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  March 3, 2017 9:30pm
- sam green
  
  Really stigie – not AnnieLennox?
  
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  March 3, 2017 10:31pm
stigie

I think we better cut it out Nasska, next they will be saying we are as bad as Stiffy patroling cafe’s further north..?
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March 3, 2017 9:13pm
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  He hasn’t been around tonight stigie. It’d be too bad if something’s happened to him.
  
  Hopefully one of his fellow Islamists will delete his browsing history & flush the tissues down the bog. 🙂
  
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  March 3, 2017 9:18pm
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  Being ashamed of sexual attraction to women is so 1984
  
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