General Debate 14 March 2017

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Nukuleka

It’s time to be calling out the hijab and its variants for what it is- a symbol of female repression. Look no further than Iran after the fall of the Shah and the installation of an Islamic State. No woman with true choice makes the choice to cover her hair from a sense of personal modesty. And be suspicious of any Islamic woman who claims that it is her own personal choice. It ain’t.
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March 14, 2017 8:07am
- cmm
  
  It is her own personal choice not to be beaten in public or spat on.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:12am
  - kowtow
    
    Or in private by the male members of her family.
    
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    March 14, 2017 8:42am
- stephieboy
  
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  Nukuleaka, things are just fine as they are here .Presumably you would include nuns with their habits as a symbol female repression ? Extending to even Orthodox Jews and their Kaftans etc in this ban,?
  
  Male Sikhs too ?
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:48am
  - cmm
    
    For nuns it is a personal choice.
    
    Nuns choose to enter the convent. They are never forced into it (well since 1600 or so). If a nun chooses to leave she can any time. My wife’s aunt was a nun and chose to leave – no problems.
    
    Pretty much the same with Jews.
    
    Islam, not so easy. No choice. Apostasy carries the death sentence.
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:03am
  - Jack5
    
    Since when have nuns covered their faces?
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:26am
    - SGA
      
      the hijab doesn’t necessarily cover the face
      https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=hijab&espv=2&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix4Y2JqtTSAhUEKpQKHYliCQ8Q_AUIBigB&biw=1920&bih=950&dpr=1
      
      Careful – Kimbo will have you off the Quiz Team if you make too many slips like that 🙂
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:35am
    - stephieboy
      
      Jack 5 , since when have Muslim women wearing e.g Hijabs have covered their faces ?
      
      http://arabsinamerica.unc.edu/files/2012/06/Kalashe-Veil_Image.jpg
      
      For many Muslim women it is also a matter of custom , style and choice .
      
      What we don’t need here is apparel Gestapo like you and others telling others what they should wear or not wear .
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:38am
      - Manolo
        
        What we don’t need here is apparel Gestapo like you and others telling others what they should wear or not wear.
        
        Tell that to your Iranian and Saudi fellow Muslims well-known oppressors of women.
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:42am
      - stephieboy
        
        Manolo , send a letter / email to your President requesting he withdraw his investments etc from the same ?
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:52am
      - Jack5
        
        The “apparel Gestapo” are the Muslim religious police in places like Afghanistan. Thugs who whip women for showing their faces, or perhaps even accidentally letting men peep at their ankles.
        
        Muslims have nothing, absolutely fucking nothing, to teach the rest of the world about women’s rights.
        
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        March 14, 2017 10:14am
      - stephieboy
        
        jack5 , not really. It is actually people like you who look others and demonsie them with your prejudices and stereotypes as well as the filter of your paranoia .
        
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        March 14, 2017 12:11pm
- Kimbo
  
  Ban the hijab as female oppression? No. Ironic that uber-Catholic Nululeka can’t see that nuns have traditionally worn a variation and for not all-together dissimilar reasons as Muslim women. And you will find most social pressure to wear one in Muslim societies comes from…other women. Is always the third question my Muslim mother-in-law asks my former Muslim wife, after, “how are you?”, and “are you reading holy Koran?” 😉
  
  But ban the burqa, at least in public, for security reasons? Absolutely. A number of Muslim nations do anyway. In NZ it is standard practice that motor cyclists are required to remove their helmet once off their bikes, especially when entering petrol stations to pay for petrol. Same should apply around any shop with the burqa, and, as a general law in public.
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:08am
  - SGA
    
    Ironic that uber-Catholic Nululeka can’t see that nuns have traditionally worn a variation and for not all-together dissimilar reasons as Muslim women.
    
    Or the dress codes in places like Gloriaville (or whatever it’s called). Hats in church for women used to be a common convention too, didn’t it?
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:20am
    - Kimbo
      
      Still is in some (open) Brethren congregations as well, especially among the older women. And has become a socially and fashionably accepted norm in Pacific Island congregations. Try and suggest to some Tongan and/or Samoan women they should take off their hats in church as they are “oppressed” and you risk getting the bash – which Nukuleka well knows! 😉
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:27am
      - stephieboy
        
        Women and girrls who attend our local Russian Orthodox Chruch for worship mostly wear head scaves etc ?
        
        Also the Eastern orthodox church !
        
        https://theorthodoxlife.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/headcovering21.jpg
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:41am
      - Andrei
        
        3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
        
        4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
        
        5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
        
        6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
        
        7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
        
        8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
        
        9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
        
        10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
        
        11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
        
        12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
        
        13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:53am
      - SGA
        
        And Andrei’s extract is New Testament, in case anyone is wondering.
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:57am
      - Kimbo
        
        Paul’s first letter to the unruly Corinthians, chapter 11, to be exact.
        
        It’s been suggested by some biblical scholars that the reference to women wearing a head covering during worship and/or prayer was a note made by a scribe in the margin, that was later mistakenly picked up by another copyists as part of the original (it did happen, e.g., John 5: 4 in the texts that were the basis for the King James Version)
        
        …but there is no textual evidence to support the theory.
        
        And most Catholics and Protestants now consider it an “occasional” command, specific to prostitute-laden Corinth, where the ladies would advertise for business by uncovering their hair in the pagan temples.
        
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        March 14, 2017 10:04am
      - SGA
        
        @Kimbo
        🙂 😉
        
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        March 14, 2017 10:14am
      - Jack5
        
        Where are the Christian women with faces covered like many Muslim women?
        
        Muslims’ treatment of women is a leading reason why Muslims are incompatible with Western society.
        
        The primitive ways of Stephiestan just won’t do in New Zealand, Stepieboys.
        
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        March 14, 2017 10:17am
      - SGA
        
        Where are the Christian women with faces covered like many Muslim women?
        
        Although in some parts of the world Muslim woman cover their faces, most don’t do they?
        
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        March 14, 2017 10:24am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Kimbo
        
        a marginal scribble?
        C’mon…
        
        Either Paul was a raving misogynist…
        or
        he was trying to protect the honour of 1st Century ladies
        Loose women in those days went bareheaded, and were found in the streets unblushingly seeking those who might be companions with them in their sin and wickedness. Women who sought to live in chastity and purity were very particular never to appear in public unveiled. The unveiled woman was the careless woman, the immoral woman; the veiled woman was the careful wife or mother who was concerned about her character and her reputation. (H.A. Ironside, Addresses on the First Epistle to the Corinthians, Loizeaux Bro., Neptune, N.J., p. 326).
        
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        March 14, 2017 1:32pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yes, of the three options I favour the third, especially as there were a thousand sacred prostitutes plying their trade out of the temple of Aphrodite at the time in Corinth. Nonetheless, good biblical studies, like good biology is never “settled”, and one must always canvas the range of options, and keep an open mind to the possibility of new evidence…such as an ancient Greek text of I Corinthians with the reference to women covering their head omitted. But as I implied, in the absence of such objective proof, it is unlikely and largely speculative (lots of necessary adverbs in my qualifications! 😉 )- although I Corinthians 11 is a messy text to make sense out of the thought-progression, which indicates the possibility of textual interpolations.
        
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        March 14, 2017 1:50pm
- SGA
  
  Nukuleka
  
  Look no further than Iran after the fall of the Shah and the installation of an Islamic State.
  
  Why pick on Iran? Compared to some of our “allies” in the region, attitudes to things like dress codes, access to education, opportunities to work, driving a car are relatively liberal for women.
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:17am
  - Nukuleka
    
    I ‘pick on’ Iran because of an experience with Iranian friends. The husband ‘allows’ his wife not to wear a headscarf in the privacy of their home, but the moment I produce my camera to take photos that may appear on social networks and therefore might be seen in Iran or by other Muslims in this country the headscarf is donned. She has no personal choice in the matter. There will be consequences back in Iran- and maybe even here in NZ- if a Muslim woman living in NZ is seen not to be doing what the Islamic police deem to be correct according to the Koran. That is, covering her hair.
    
    As for the drivel about Catholic nuns. I know personally dozens of nuns who do not wear any sort of head covering or even any sort of identifying habit. Only the most prejudiced and ignorant anti-Catholic would distort the truth and claim that nuns all wear veils and habits. It’s fake.
    
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    March 14, 2017 1:30pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Only the most prejudiced and ignorant anti-Catholic would distort the truth and claim that nuns all wear veils and habits. It’s fake.
      
      Ah, and there’s the Nukuleka we know and for whom some of us have contempt. Spraying universal blanket assertions about a rival religion based on limited personal anecdotes, but bleating and squealing like a stuck pig about alleged anti-Catholic bias.
      
      For the record, Nukuleka, I was aware of (recent) changes in Catholic orders, hence I chose my adverb (!) carefully when I wrote “nuns have traditionally worn a variation (of the hajib) and for not all-together dissimilar reasons as Muslim women”.
      
      Unless you want to be consistent and acknowledge that until those recent changes, and when a habit was compulsory for a nun, it was (to quote your post at 8:07am) “a symbol of female repression”?
      
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      March 14, 2017 1:45pm
      - Nukuleka
        
        2017 , Kimbo, 2017.
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:54pm
      - Kimbo
        
        So gutless you can’t even answer the question directly or honestly. No wonder you deserve contempt
        
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        March 14, 2017 10:38pm
- realityczech
  
  It’s time to be calling out the habit/sheitels and its variants for what it is- a symbol of female repression.
  
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  March 14, 2017 12:33pm
Longknives

Had a really good discussion with some friends at the Pub last night about the (alleged) ‘Rape Culture’ and Teenage boys attitudes towards girls etc.
A female friend made a very valid point- Why is American ‘Hip Hop’ Music and Culture the ‘Elephant in the Room’ here? Our kids have it rammed down their throats these days and it openly considers Women as nothing more than ‘Bitches and Hoes’..
Yet you never hear any negativity or criticism of ‘Hip Hop’ from shrieking Protester types- Could this be because they are only looking for White Men to blame??
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March 14, 2017 8:08am
- kowtow
  
  “Yet you never hear any negativity or criticism of ‘Hip Hop’”
  
  That would be racist you see.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:43am
  - MCos
    
    Turn your hearing aid on.
    
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    March 14, 2017 8:52am
- macdee
  
  where was the outcry when rapper Tom Scott launched his attack on the Key family
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:09am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Isn’t he a member of that band that Jacinda likes?
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:23am
  - kowtow
    
    Where’s the outcry over this rape culture?
    
    “A woman has blackmailed a man with rape claims in exchange for money, saying he would rather pay her money than end up in jail, a court has heard.”
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/90385089/woman-blackmailed-man-for-money
    
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    March 14, 2017 10:04am
- Fletch
  
  Yeh, I had a discussion with a female at work once about this “campus rape culture”. I brought up the fact that the whole thing was kicked off by the fake article in Rolling Stone about the rape on campus. Then figures started coming out like 1-in-5 women are raped on campus (not true).
  
  But yeh – you bring up a good point the rap music. You should read some of Beyonce’s lyrics (whom Barrack Obama invited to the White House, and who he calls a good role model for his girls).
  
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  March 14, 2017 11:32am
- sam green
  
  Women from sexual abuse agencies here in NZ , and African American women’s groups and men’s groups among others have long called out this culture. But you see – it sells – the marketers love it. Call out the industry as a whole Longknives. I’d love to see you take on the labels, the PR companies, the marketers, the machinery etc etc.
  
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  March 14, 2017 2:29pm
Kimbo

Any sign of AgentBallSack yet? His two week ban is over – and Gabby, the ~~cause~~ occasion for his suspension is still out for another 6 weeks. Come back, ABS! Not the same without you.
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March 14, 2017 8:09am
- All_on_Red
  
  I see Griff is out too.
  He’d only just got his Internet working as well.
  Oh no
  ?
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:02am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You can find him on Pete George’s blog.
    He wandered over there yesterday.
    https://yournz.org/2017/03/13/doubting-climate-change-science/#comment-170548
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:15am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Maggy Wassilief ,still unhappy posters using pseudonyms on KB as per All on Red etc ?
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:18am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy,
        I speak only for myself.
        If you had read KB carefully in the past, you would see I am in total support of folks using pseudonyms on KB.
        They should do so if they are Gvt employees; if they indulge in illegal activities; if they are young women;
        if they have vulnerable children; if they suffer from a mental/psychiatric condition; if they have things in their past that could embarrass them, etc.
        For Kiwiblog is not a safe venue for such folks.
        
        I have always worked in the open, in a transparent manner. That’s just me. That’s my upbringing, my background.
        
        Feel free to tell me why you keep asking me questions that smear my name.
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:34am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy W,
        
        ” Feel free to tell me why you keep asking me questions that smear my name.” ?
        
        I believe I simply don’t . It is IMO in your over fevered imagination .
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:48am
      - Nev.
        
        “….if they suffer from a mental/psychiatric condition….”
        
        Take note stephie.
        
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        March 14, 2017 11:24am
      - stephieboy
        
        Nev , context ?
        
        Fletch , Ok for Trump to use denigrating language about womens ” pussies ” etc
        
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        March 14, 2017 12:16pm
    - EAD
      
      Poor ol Griff – you know life is bad when you get banned from Kiwiblog and you have to take refuge over at Mr Common Sense Pete George’s blog, Yawnz to b*tch about Kiwiblog….
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:26am
    - Nev.
      
      Seems PG lurks here more than we think.
      He has Griffs measure and has deleted his standard abuse at people who disagree with him.
      
      Nev.
      
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      March 14, 2017 11:33am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , ABS ‘s rants sorely missed ?
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:20am
    - All_on_Red
      
      He has a way with words which is amusing.
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:44am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , like Stephiebitch and Fuckwit ?
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:49am
      - Nev.
        
        Feeling a bit lonely stephie?
        Anything we can do to cheer you up?
        
        Nev.
        
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        March 14, 2017 11:16am
- Nev.
  
  Even though the banning was for a comment on the 27th February, the ban wasn’t instigated until the 1st March.
  
  I have it on good authority that the ban will persist at least until the 15th March. Unless DPF takes pity.
  
  Nev.
  
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  March 14, 2017 11:15am
  - Kimbo
    
    I have it on good authority that the ban will persist at least until the 15th March
    
    Free ABS!
    
    Fee AS!!
    
    Free ABS!!!!
    
    “I have it on good authority…”. Intriguing. Come to think of it…didn’t you show up, Nev, about the same time ABS was thrown into the cooler, so maybe, AgentBallSack never left us? 😉
    
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    March 14, 2017 11:31am
    - Nev.
      
      That might be stringing your bow a little too far Mr. Kimbo. And creating a noose to hang innocent commentators with.
      
      I would assume there’s a little ABS in all of us.
      
      Nev.
      
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      March 14, 2017 11:36am
niggly

James Shaw interviewed on Morning Report – the Greens have a number of new taxes they are considering, some of which they would implement if they form the next Govt with Labour.

Two thoughts came to mind.

1. Shaw won’t confirm which taxes they would implement until closer to the election. I say “not good enough”, the public deserve to be informed of these taxes to better understand the impact they will have (especially in terms of taking money away from people). After all we are talking about something important that will impact on all NZers (not some wishy washy policy on say snails), and potentially increase “poverty” for the working classes.

2.How does this suit the narrative from Andrew Little about no tax increases from Labour, the question then becomes what new taxes will Labour implement both from their own thinking plus that of their new support party friends, the happy-go-tax-lucky Greens?
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March 14, 2017 8:09am
- Longknives
  
  God help us all if the Batshite Insane Greens get anywhere near our Economy…
  
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/ivonaiacob/2016/07/24/venezuelas-failed-socialist-experiment/#6ee4fb2441dd
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:11am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “God help us all if the Batshite Insane Greens get anywhere near our Economy…”
    
    And they will if enough voters are stupid enough to vote Labour.
    
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    March 14, 2017 8:33am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Longknives ,
    
    “Batshite Insane Greens ” ??
    
    A party that have persistently polled better than even ACT and even of course the moribund Conservatives !
    
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    March 14, 2017 8:56am
    - Manolo
      
      Are you a Labour or Green voter, stephieboy?
      
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      March 14, 2017 8:59am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Or Internet Party…
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:04am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Voting is haram.
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:10am
      - stephieboy
        
        Certainly not Conservative or our three “Batshite Insane ” alt right ” spokesmen !
        
        LOL
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:23am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Feel better now?
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:31am
- Manolo
  
  No one can trust Angry Andy. Labour will impose plenty of taxes on productive NZ, starting with a CGT. Guaranteed.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:13am
- holysheet
  
  It’s typical liabore bullshit, “NO TAX Increases” from Liabore, simply means what it says. From Liabore are the key words. Angry knows the greens will raise taxes. He can simply get his tax increases by getting the greens to suggest them.
  And they wonder why we call them the Liabore party.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:18am
  - chuk
    
    Little is saying Liabore will implement a review of the fairness of NZ’s tax regime after the election. At the same time he’s saying there will be no tax increases. Sounds like Liabore’s tax policy going into the election is a Clayton’s tax policy.
    
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    March 14, 2017 10:29am
- waikatogirl
  
  Liabore and the Greens running the country would be like a split personality, or a couple who can’t agree on anything. I can’t wait to see how they try explaining what their objectives for the country would be.
  
  Really looking forward to Nationals mocking advertising explaining to Liabore and the Greens why their dream of running the country will be no better than a couple of nine year olds giving it a go.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:28am
  - cmm
    
    The 2014 rowing boat ad was a very good symbolism of what a Labout + Green + dogs breakfast would look like.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=470bdH73TUY
    
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    March 14, 2017 8:46am
  - GazzaW
    
    Every vote for Labour facilitates the chances of Metiria Turei of a senior cabinet post along with fellow crazies Genter & Davidson and of course the strange James Shaw. And where will Winston fit in?That prospect must surely act as a huge deterrent to traditional Labour voters. Have no doubt that Bill English and Steven Joyce will be pounding out that message on the hustings.
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:34am
  - Komata
    
    Waikatogirl
    
    That statement’s a bit of an insult to the nine year olds isn’t it???
    
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    March 14, 2017 11:47am
- peterwn
  
  That is the thing. Andrew can promise what he likes since he is able to backpedal by claiming that the Greens would not let him. Greens can promise all sorts of things to appease their support base knowing too that these would be dependent on the attitude of their potential coalition partners. Bill meanwhile has to put the money where his mouth is.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:47am
- tf78
  
  I think I heard the Material Girl talking about 40% tax on those earning over $140k (coincidentally isn’t that the amount which back bench MP’s earn)
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:31am
cmm

Can we please, please stop with this “rape culture” bullshit!

When something is cultural then it means that pretty much everyone does it or is involved in it and/or it is accepted in society.

As a society:
1) Very few of us rape.
2) Very few of us are pro rape.
3) Very few of us condone rape.

So how does that fit together as being a rape culture?

Sure there are a very small number of rapists and people who condone rape, but that does not make for a culture.

People who over-escalate these events are just being the boy that cried wold – nobody can really take them seriously.
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March 14, 2017 8:10am
- Rich Prick
  
  Agreed. And I’m starting to feel very sorry for those couple of immature boys who said something stupid in a private chat-room. I can’t imagine what the full, screaming force of the sisterhood bearing down must feel like. I do hope they have some very good support.
  
  By they way, I don’t recall any anger at Tom Scott (the alleged musician) and his stated desires for the then PM’s daughter. I suppose it really is different when the left do it.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/66096244/Controversial-rapper-at-peace-with-himself
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:54am
  - cmm
    
    All I can think is that I’m bloody grateful we didn’t have facebook when I was a teen/student.
    
    Somehow it’s Ok for the sisterhood to indulge their sexual fantasies. 50 shades of grey would raise moral outrage if the roles were reversed.
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:09am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Yes, they certainly have standards, and they are double.
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:12am
- calendar girl
  
  Thanks, cmm. You have articulated simply and clearly the reaction of many of us.
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:17am
  - cmm
    
    When men speak up about the rape culture stuff there’s a rolling of eyes: well of course men will try to protect the rape culture etc.
    
    Just remember ladies: the next victim of this abuse could be your brother, your husband, boyf or your son. That could ruin their life, but your life will be seriously impacted too.
    
    This is fundamentally an attack on society at large – not just on men. Everyone loses – not just the men.
    
    It is very important that women speak out against this outrage.
    
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    March 14, 2017 12:26pm
Manolo

The Washington bureaucracy will fight to the death:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/through-his-budget-a-bottom-line-look-at-trumps-new-washington/2017/03/12/29739206-05be-11e7-b9fa-ed727b644a0b_story.html?utm_term=.5416128f68f1

President Trump’s budget proposal this week would shake the federal government to its core if enacted, culling back numerous programs and expediting a historic contraction of the federal workforce.
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March 14, 2017 8:11am
- Inandout
  
  I smell a Trump Cultural Revolution, but with completely different aims than those of Mao. This will no doubt be followed by a EU meltdown, with whole corridors of offices being cleaned of arse warmers.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:41am
- stephieboy
  
  Mnaolo, I see potential political suicide with higher unemploymnent and especially at the state level .
  
  Or will Trump dare not touch Federal state grants ?
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:03am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If Trump can pull this off, it will easily outweigh the silly little stuff he has done. But first he has to get nearly all the Republicans in Congress to vote for it. Some of them are just as addicted to pork as the Democrats.
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    Yes ,the Rebublican Congress members will be carefully eyeing their congressional districts and states
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:28am
    - ztev
      
      The GOP lost seats in house and Senate with Trumps ‘landslide’
      They cant be looking forward the next election in 2 years time, will more seats be lost.
      
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      March 14, 2017 11:37am
      - G152
        
        Must be in your alternate universe because it didn’t happen here
        
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        March 14, 2017 1:34pm
      - ztev
        
        never mind old boy the reality may shock you.
        
        Republicans in House lost 6 seats with an overall 2.1% swing in total vote
        Senate lost 2 so are down to 52.
        
        Thats far too close in Senate to get their Supreme Court Justice through.
        
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        March 14, 2017 4:45pm
  - Komata
    
    NK
    
    Re: ‘Some of them are just as addicted to pork as the Democrats’.
    
    Known locally as RINO’s (Republicans In Name Only); essentially ‘Democrats in drag’.Sen. John McCain is probably the most obvious of the group although I have strong suspicions that Sen. Paul Ryan is of the same ilk. These individuals and their cohorts are the ‘opposition’ ‘stalling’ Republicans within the ‘House. they don’t work FOR their party if at all possible, and appear to take a great delight in very deliberately working AGAINST all and anything that Mr. trump puts forward, purely in the name of ‘principle and fairness’ of course…
    
    BTW: These individuals and the other RINO’s have all received generous ‘fianancial donations’ from a certain George Soros. A coincidence perhaps…? (Being ‘Men of Honour’ they wouldn’t be capable of being ‘;bought’ would they…?)
    
    One wonders.
    
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    March 14, 2017 12:00pm
    - Tirebiter
      
      McCain is no democrat but then again, neither are the democrats. And the RINOs are what used to be called moderate republicans – you know, republicans who could govern with a bit of integrity instead of a slash and burn mentality. The very narrow political spectrum in the US has been moving to the right ever since Johnson’s Civil Rights legislation in the ’60s that lost the democrats the south. Under Clinton they abandoned what was left of their traditional base, the working class, and went for the Wall Street dollars normally funneled to republican candidates.
      
      I’ll say this again, there is only one party in the US: the corporate party. The democratic and republican party are mere subsidiaries. This corporate party owns both democrats and the republicans in sufficient numbers to ‘guide’ the congress on its merry dysfunctional way. When they talk about how the ‘American people’ want this or want that, that is who they’re talking about, not the citizenry.
      
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      March 15, 2017 3:10pm
pdm

And to think Niggly – we are relying on Winston to save us from all of that plus the taxes they haven’t thought of yet.

Worrying times.
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March 14, 2017 8:14am
Happychappy

Is Andrew Little the full quid or not this Union Bully thinks the public will vote for him if he plays ruff and Bill English and National will put the gun powder in the shell for him to embarrass himself and lose the plot. I will push Bill English off his horse and Labour will win all the Maori seats Little says and going by the number of people commenting on Stuff he has not factored in that Maori don’t like being taken for granted and his attitude towards them. Me thinks the Labour Leader has misread the people view and especially Maori and it could come back to haunt him.
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March 14, 2017 8:15am
- cmm
  
  You’re looking at this all wrong.
  
  Andy likes where he’s at. As leader of the opposition he gets about $250k + perks and has no responsibilities. He doesn’t even have an electorate so there’s no need to clean it on Mondays after it got egged on the week ends.
  
  Why would he want to stuff that up by becoming PM?
  
  His far bigger worry is being deposed from the Labour leader position by Jacinda. Hence he promotes her to keep her nice and close so she feels less inclined to shank him.
  
  He knows this cannot last, but he wants it to last for as long as possible. After all, it is worth about $10k a month to his back pocket.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:25am
  - holysheet
    
    And he knows he will need all that when the hagermans win their court case.
    
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    March 14, 2017 8:28am
    - ztev
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Win ? Dont count on it. You do know how the Collins v Mallard/Little defamation case went do you ?
      She apologised to them and they apologised to her.
      
      Hagamans wont want the court discovery process trawling through their private company affairs, and not to mention the former Wellington shoe shop owner !
      
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      March 14, 2017 8:37am
      - Happychappy
        
        I think you might be a stranger to the truth there ztev and it might pay you to put down fact instead of the bullshit your known for.
        
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        March 14, 2017 8:52am
      - Sponge
        
        You have not got a clue about the Hagamans. They will well and truly do him over.
        
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        March 14, 2017 8:59am
      - GazzaW
        
        I very much doubt the the Hagaman family has anything to hide and Earl won’t back away from a scrap with Andrew Little. That the court case will be heard during the campaign period will add a touch of piquancy for the Hagamans.
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:44am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        ACC Minister Judith Collins’ defamation action against Labour MPs Trevor Mallard and Andrew Little has been settled following a hearing in the High Court at Auckland today.
        
        Ms Collins initiated the defamation case against the pair after comments they made on Radio New Zealand linking her to the leak of an email from former National Party President Michelle Boag.
        
        The email identified Bronwyn Pullar as the woman at the centre of a massive privacy breach at ACC.
        
        In a statement today following their meeting, the three parliamentarians said they agreed “the leak of the email Ms Boag sent to the minister and forwarded on her instructions as the responsible minister to the chairman and chief executive of ACC raised an issue of serious public concern, and that Messrs Mallard and Little were entitled to question who was responsible for that leak”.
        
        “The parties continue to differ over whether the comments made by Messrs Mallard and Little respectively on Radio NZ implied the minister falsely assured the House that neither she nor her office was responsible for the leak.
        
        “Messrs Mallard and Little have confirmed to Ms Collins that was not their intention and wish to make that clear publicly that in the event such meaning was taken they regret it.”
        
        In the statement, the three politicians said they would make no further comment.
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10847321
        
        I don’t see any mention of Collins having apologised for anything ztev, but then again you and the truth have a distant relationship.
        
        As far as Hagaman vs Little goes, I am sure they took excellent legal advice before suing Little. Trying to perpetuate further defamation simply heightens the suspicion that you are from Labour’s inner circle, and that you are anonymously doing Little’s bidding for him. I believe the correct term for that, as establish by Hager in 2014, is “Dirty Politics”.
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:51am
      - stephieboy
        
        “Hidden due to low comment rating…”
        
        Alt right censorship ?
        
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        March 14, 2017 12:20pm
      - ztev
        
        Shopkeeper , keep polishing those MPs boots and you wont see anything. From your quote
        
        ‘sent to the minister and forwarded on her instructions[ie she leaked] as the responsible minister to the chairman and chief executive of ACC raised an issue of serious public concern, and that Messrs Mallard and Little were entitled to question who was responsible for that leak”
        
        And why was she suing ?
        “Ms Collins wrote to the state owned broadcaster requesting an apology last month after it aired interviews with Labour MPs Trevor Mallard and Andrew Little during which the pair claimed she or her office leaked a sensitive email which identified former National Party insider Bronwyn Pullar as the woman at the centre of a massive ACC privacy breach.
        
        Dont you think Collins admitting she passed the email on, exposes her as a liar and faker
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10804307
        
        The ACC Chairman was moved on soon after when Collins found he was going to tell the Truth and agree with Mallard and Little.
        
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        March 14, 2017 4:55pm
    - ztev
      
      I do know how things in the islands work
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:44am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        These islands or fantasy island ztev?
        
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        March 14, 2017 10:23am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Keep your friends close – and your enemies closer.
      
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      March 14, 2017 12:48pm
  - Paulus
    
    Andy is relying on the “Dreamer Team”.
    Coming your way…………..
    Team Andy and Jacey.
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:28am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Nope, the best penned here has got to be Angry and Airhead
      
      That fits like Bill and Ben, Morcombe and Wise, and, Little and Large, instantly recognisable
      
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      March 14, 2017 10:27am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Thank you for your endorsement Paulus.
        
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        March 14, 2017 11:08am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Jacinderella?
      
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      March 14, 2017 8:49pm
- holysheet
  
  The natives aren’t known as being the brightest candle in the chandelier. They are well known for accepting money for doing fuck all. Why then, do you think they would vote for anyone who hasn’t got a hope in hell of getting a seat at the big table. Only by being in govt, making all sorts of demands that only they can get, will they be successful.
  Farnowora is a good example.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:26am
Happychappy

Now that Bill English has told Goffy that he has to find the money from else where to fund a new Stadium like selling Eden Park has Andrew Little and Labour come out yet and said they will. Surely the Labour leader will be able to fund it out of the surplus that National have amassed and he can use most of the surplus to fund all his other promise’s without increasing taxes so whats another billion to Labour.
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March 14, 2017 8:27am
- kowtow
  
  We (the media , commentariat etc) love to slag off Trump’s infrastructure spending plans , but Aucklands’ drains are fucked , so’s Dunedins’ , Wellington leaks all over , Chch is being rebuilt , SH 1 on the SI costing hundreds of millions and what are local politicians spending on ? Stadia , fireworks and art . And national level pollies throw money away on race and overseas aid.
  
  And we keep voting for these loons.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:49am
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow, isn’t Trump’s ludicrous 1900 mile wall equivalent to Christchurch earthquake re build ?”
    
    More “Stadia fireworks and art ” etc ?
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:15am
    - holysheet
      
      Think of all that wall space for the lowlife trash to deface with their stoopid gang colours and so called art. They cannot wait for the wall to go up.
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:31am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Here’s where Little’s cunning stunt comes undone.
  
  He’s promised that there will “probably” be no new taxes or tax increases under Labour. But he’s also promised that if he gets the chance after the election, his first call will be to the Greens, and his second call will be to Winston.
  
  You see, he’ll use the Greens and NZF demands as his justification for all the new taxes and tax increases that will inevitably follow, and he’ll expect us to believe that Labour had absolutely nothing to do with it. That sounds like an isea for a Tui billboard.
  
  Of course, there’s a simple way around this; don’t vote for Little and Labour, then he won’t have a chance to welch on his “no tax increases” fibs.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:54am
  - holysheet
    
    Here’s where Little’s ~~cunning stunt~~ comes undone. Stunning cunt, there fixed it for you
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:34am
    - ztev
      
      Ask Bill about his tax increases after the election, petrol tax, cigarette tax, GST ( again)
      Hes done it before and will again.
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:48am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      You may well think that holysheet, but I couldn’t possibly comment 😎
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:56am
- Paulus
  
  Perhaps the Surplus will not be there for Andy – it could well have gone to the NZSuper Fund ?
  Watch this budget space.
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:32am
virtualmark

The Trump administration really need to rid themselves of Kellyanne Conway.

First it was the “alternative facts” slip-up, which gave the world a phrase they will forever tie to Trump.

Now it’s the comments about the Trump campaign being watched using “microwaves that turn into cameras”. Memo to Kellyanne: That’s not possible.

Then in walking back the microwave daydreams it’s “I’m not in the job of having evidence”.

Trump needs to disassociate himself from this walking headline.
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March 14, 2017 8:49am
- MCos
  
  I don’t think for one moment she comes up with this stuff on her own.
  Someone’s sent her out there to peddle this bullshit, and there’ll be plenty of people who’ll believe it. After all we heard just the other day that Samsung TVs are potential transmitters – according to Wikileaks, coincidentally.
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:05am
  - virtualmark
    
    Yes, both worthwhile & technically possible to hack those (very few) smart TVs that have microphones and are connected to the internet.
    
    But no, your microwave doesn’t have either a camera or a microphone, and it’s not normally connected to the internet.
    
    And I do think she comes up with most of it on her own. She’s clearly been shown to love the media attention, and actively seeks opportunities to be on TV. I suspect she thinks she’s helping, but then she plants both feet in her mouth …
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:57am
SPC

Global warming is being solved.

Advances in solar power means it is going to take off and be cheaper than coal.

Oil gas and coal are dying industries and people are selling out of these stocks – the price of oil will go to $10.
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March 14, 2017 8:51am
- SPC
  
  Signs of co-operation between OPEC and the US shale industry are acts of desperation
  
  http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/OPEC-Offers-Olive-Branch-To-US-Shale.html
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:58am
- All_on_Red
  
  “Global warming is being solved.”
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  March 14, 2017 10:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    https://calicobrothers.bandcamp.com/track/tell-it-to-the-sun
    
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    March 14, 2017 10:43am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Heartening isn’t it? But doesn’t solve the problem of nighttime or winter power consumption. The cost of cycling electricity through batteries for overnight use (paying for the batteries that have limited life) is in the $0.20-0.30/kWh range, which makes it massively uncompetitive with fossil fuels or nuclear, for the moment. But that will slowly improve, and is not unaffordable. Winter and high latitude countries are a bigger problem.
  
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  March 14, 2017 10:15am
  - SPC
    
    storage will be resolved.
    
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    March 14, 2017 11:11am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      We can hope (for cost effective storage), but there is nothing cost competitive with other forms of primary generation in the pipeline. And maintaining grid connections/infrastructure is already more than half the cost of electricity (for any grid supplied energy storage or generation solutions). That is where home PV installations get their real cost advantage.
      
      Nuclear remains the cheapest option in the long term (once we develop safe cheap modular reactors), with enough accessible fissiles to power human civilisation for billions of years.
      
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      March 14, 2017 12:24pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Can’t wait, petrol $1.00 a gallon means I will be buying that 6.3 litre bi turbo V8 as the new shopping basket while others wait for their car to charge from their solar panel which isn’t working as it has been pissing with rain for the last two weeks!
  
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  March 14, 2017 10:34am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I’ve always wanted a V12!
    
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    March 14, 2017 10:43am
    - stephieboy
      
      Surely you mean one of these ?
      
      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b4/a7/b4/b4a7b4b61b4be8cfd8133967739662fd.jpg
      
      LOL !
      
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      March 14, 2017 12:25pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Cool, that might be fun for pig hunting.
        Of course you method of transport is this:
        http://cjwilliamson.y9.co.nz/index_files/walkers.htm?gclid=Cj0KEQjwhpnGBRDKpY-My9rdutABEiQAWNcslP9JGt_KCRYEeYaRT3nYEHpjzYvBXP-K43aU-GOtwpgaAqyo8P8HAQ
        
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        March 14, 2017 12:39pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    You’ll be waiting a while Paulus. Excise tax alone is 68.45 cents per litre including GST, and there are 4.55 litres in a gallon, so even if petrol comes free and there is no freight cost or margins for the wholesaler and retailer, it will still be $3.11 per gallon.
    
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    March 14, 2017 11:18am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Electric cars will soon have to be heavily taxed to make up for lost petrol revenue.
      
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      March 14, 2017 12:26pm
- Fletch
  
  Germany tried that route and it failed. Going back to coal in a big way.
  
  http://www.stefan-frank-texte.de/unreliable-german-solar-and-wind-forcing-new-coal-boom/
  
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  March 14, 2017 11:44am
- Komata
  
  SPC
  
  Re: ‘Advances in solar power means it is going to take off and be cheaper than coal.
  
  Oil gas and coal are dying industries and people are selling out of these stocks – the price of oil will go to $10’.
  
  Isn’t that SO last century?
  
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  March 14, 2017 12:12pm
Rodney Randall

http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/90257013/two-thirds-of-otakaro-employees-earn-more-than-100000-a-year

“Of its 64 employees, seven earn more than $200,000, while 34 earn between $100,000 and $199,999.”

1.4mill on consultants!!!

8 mill so far on a white elephant Convention Centre ( and nothing built)

This just adds to my depression.
6 years on and the biggest gravy train in the history of NZ has still achieved little other than to hire consultants to advise them what to do.
Surely with this gross wastage of tax payers money some one in a authority should step in now to clean them out

DRAIN THE SWAMP
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March 14, 2017 8:53am
Hugh Pavletich

Auckland’s median house price down 7.8% from $868,000 in October to $800,000 in February | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/86461/aucklands-median-house-price-down-868000-october-800000-february

Median house prices declined in Auckland, Hamilton and Tauranga in February, according to the Real Estate Institute of New Zealand.

Although the price declines were small, combined with a big drop in the number of homes being sold and a rise in the volume of unsold stock on the market, the outlook for the housing market over the rest of the summer selling season looks weak.

In Auckland the median selling price was $800,000 in February, which means it has declined for four consecutive months since it peaked at $868,000 in October (see chart below). Over that period, the Auckland median is down $68,000, or 7.8%. … read more via hyperlink above …

Christchurch housing market flat but central city and inner suburbs popular | Stuff.co.nz

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/90365943/christchurch-housing-market-flat-but-central-city-and-inner-suburbs-popular

Christchurch home values are mostly flat but prices and values are rising in the inner suburbs and central city.

The median (mid-point) house price in the city is $459,000, according to the Real Estate Institute (REINZ), down from a high of $465,500 in November.

Institute director Jim Davis said the city’s housing market was poised “on something of a knife edge”. This was partly due to banks tightening lending criteria, especially for investors, he said.

“The Christchurch market has the potential to soften as there is more stock than buyers.” …

… A total of 530 homes were sold in Christchurch last month by real estate agents, down from 645 in February 2016.

https://reinz.co.nz/residential-property-data-gallery
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March 14, 2017 8:55am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So your dream is coming true Hugh. Hasn’t Nick Smith done a good job.
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:10am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Hugh,
  
  House prices always drop in February (then bounce in March).
  Let us know if 2017 is an exception.
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:22am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    February 2017 Auckland house sales lowest since 2011. Prices lower than March 2016. 4 months of drops. Interest rates are rising and I think prospective purchasers now believe the market has stalled, or started dropping, and it is buyer belief that drives the market.
    
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    March 14, 2017 10:21am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Martien Lubberink says NZ has some catching up to do from a bank regulatory capital perspective as the RBNZ embarks on a review | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/86457/martien-lubberink-says-nz-has-some-catching-do-bank-regulatory-capital-perspective
      
      By Martien Lubberink*
      
      “Ten percent? … well, we tried.” Rory answered dryly on the phone. A moment of silence followed. We both got it: a 10% Common Equity Tier 1 (CET1) capital ratio requirement was a stretch for the largest UK banks.
      
      It was the answer of my Bank of England counterpart who specialised in bank capital when I asked him to reveal the Bank’s position on their targeted CET1 ratio requirement for systemically important banks. That was 2011. Still, a 10% CET1 ratio is an important bright line for bankers, investors, and policy makers.
      
      Fast forward to 7 March 2017 and Grant Spencer delivers a speech that announces the RBNZ’s review of capital requirements. Grant’s speech raises the expectations of the quantity and quality of New Zealand bank capital. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      New Zealand residential property hits $1 trillion mark – Business – NZ Herald News
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11781028
      
      Total housing stock value should not exceed about 1.2 times GDP … screaming tops 1.5 times. We are currently in excess of a straosheric 3.9 times.
      
      New Zealand housing most unaffordable in the world – The Economist | Newshub
      
      http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2017/03/new-zealand-housing-most-unaffordable-in-the-world-the-economist.html
      
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      March 14, 2017 11:01am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Posted at … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/links-14-march-2017/#comment-2829649 … as well.
        
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        March 14, 2017 11:50am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Great time guys to be studying Texas, as we are now on the road back to reality …
        
        http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/texas-lost-housing-advantage/
        
        … and too … why political performance is important … as I explained at the time of the release of this year’s Dem Survey 23 January …
        
        New Zealand’s housing consensus: Where is the political leadership? … Hugh Pavletich … Not PC
        
        http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/auckland-worlds-fourth-hardest-to-buy.html
        
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        March 14, 2017 12:06pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Hugh
        
        You keep on suggesting that NZ house prices should be like Houston, in terms of the multiple of incomes of between 2 and 3. They have never been , and never will be. Certainly not in Auckland where I have lived for 45 years, and I have a good memory of house prices over that time.
        
        While I agree the current price levels in Auckland are too high (multiple of 9), they are not going to drop to 3 or less. Realistically they will settle to 6 or 7. Which on current interest rates is affordable.
        
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Manolo

The Left, liberals and snowflakes join forces.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ACLU_RESISTANCE_TRAINING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-03-11-12-03-42

The American Civil Liberties Union staged a nationwide training event Saturday to make sure people are aware of their rights as protesters and urge organised, public resistance by those opposed to policies of President Donald Trump.
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March 14, 2017 8:58am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, the President hopefully introducing first ammnendments restrictions ??
  
  Or even abolition ?
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:08am
dime

lol that moron on zb in the mornings has a column in the herald.

i saw her headline this morning – rape culture! a real problem in the west or some such lmao

if only the west couldbe as tolerant as the middle east. their liberal views towards women and sex are something we should all aspire too haha

anyway, must dash. off to talk about rape with my buds!
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March 14, 2017 9:12am
- mikenmild
  
  Mike Hosking is a guy…
  
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  March 14, 2017 10:55am
  - rangitoto
    
    I suspect he is talking about smelly
    
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    March 14, 2017 11:48am
RF

The French reveal that Dan Carters very public humiliation and fall from grace was the result of him living the dream and party party party.

The days when he shovelled cow shit from his backyard in Southbridge so he could practice kicking are a distant memory.

Now he swans around in designer cloths and mixes with the other rich and famous.

I wait for him appearing with extended cigarette holder and gold front tooth with diamond stud.
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March 14, 2017 9:31am
- dime
  
  no shock really.
  
  the guy opened a chain of clothing stores that were a spectacular failure. turns out, people in taurange dont buy $400 pairs of jeans..
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:38am
- big bruv
  
  I suspect that the legendarily dense Carter is still coming to terms with the fact that he is dealing with a media who will not look the other way when they are told to do so.
  I gotta say, im loving this.
  
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  March 14, 2017 10:01am
  - Happychappy
    
    For being dense he has amassed a large fortune and still being paid when most his age have retired. There will always be those that are jealous but he’s been there, done that and got what others dream about. Not so bad for being dense ah.
    
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    March 14, 2017 10:34am
    - Kimbo
      
      That’s true and we can safely leave schadenfreude to the likes of bile-filled big bruv. But the issue for Dan Carter, and others like him is not so much making their fortune, but
      
      …will they have the nous, wisdom and life skills to keep it once they retire? Is the sad side of professional sport that many don’t, or cope with the lifestyle and and income change when they hang up their boots.
      
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      March 14, 2017 10:44am
      - Happychappy
        
        Kimbo / While i don’t agree with the way they behave and especially when you are a roll model like Dan Carter I don’t agree that the guy is Stupid, Dense or other names they want to call him you don’t amass a fortune by being a nobody.
        
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        March 14, 2017 11:01am
      - mikenmild
        
        roll model like Dan Carter
        
        What sort of rolls does he model? Croissants? Filled?
        
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        March 14, 2017 11:06am
      - Kimbo
        
        I don’t think Carter is thick, or at least I don’t think so. Instead he has skills that are finely honed to a temporary specialist job…that are not related to keeping and expanding money, like, say a business person. Is the same reason why a lot of lottery winners end up bankrupt a few years down the track – they didn’t have the usual life skills and experience accumulated by success – and failure – with smaller amounts acquiring and keeping the fortune in the first place. And, sadly, there are a number of sports people, some with good social skills in other areas, who have lost their money after retirement when they branched out into various business ventures. As I understand Carter has done with some of his money so far.
        
        Also, as per mikenmild, I don’t think Carter is a role-model, no matter what the marketers or lawyers who draw up their contracts and assess their ~~punishments~~ media damage-control if they end up on the front page of the papers for the wrong reason. Instead, as you imply with “you don’t amass a fortune by being a nobody”, he is a high-profile (sports) celebrity.
        
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        March 14, 2017 11:27am
    - RF
      
      I had minor business dealings with Dan years ago prior to his fame and fortune. Nice guy but not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
      
      I later heard that after his failed clothing venture he and a number of ABs were thought to have been given financial advice from an adviser. Again not confirmed but Graham Henry might have been behind this.
      
      If true a wise move as it’s obviously worked for some.
      
      Dan is your typical country boy made good and has come to the city to be dazzled by the bright lights.
      
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      March 14, 2017 11:21am
      - Kimbo
        
        Graham Henry might have been behind this
        
        And when you think about it, there is nothing in Graham Henry’s CV – PE teacher, head master, rugby coach – that would indicate he would be a good source of professional business expertise and advice compared to anyone else his age, or with similar life experience or business contacts from whom he’s learned stuff by picking up occasional snippets. Plus, when you think about it, any specific (as opposed to general) “financial advice” such as “invest in this” is…suspect, for two reasons
        
        1. Unless the person giving the advise has skin in the game, they haven’t really assessed and lived the risk, and
        
        2. if they have skin in the game, then why would they be telling others when supply and demand dictates the fewer investors, the greater the return? Unless it was not objective advice at all, but rather a pitch for an additional investor to plug a shortfall. Is the same reason the likes of Hanover Finance used “trusted” public personalities like TV newsreaders and All Blacks to pitch for investors…
        
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        March 14, 2017 11:45am
      - RF
        
        Kimbo
        
        I doubt if Henry was the one giving the advice. He was more of a mother hen looking after her chicks.
        
        The senior ABs were tight with Henry who had pet names for some so it was a merry band of a favoured few.
        
        It was no secret that new boys Joining the fold were on the outside so you had to earn your stripes. I have been told that the new guys were treated like shit… in a caring way…..
        
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        March 14, 2017 12:53pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Most teams have hierarchy of “senior pros” on whom a coach relies, who are proven both on the field, and guardians of the team culture. Newcomers have to earn a place in their ranks, or to sit in the back seat of the team bus – and if the culture is good, then that is a positive for any team. If the culture isn’t good, well, then you get stuff like Keith Murdoch being banished from a tour! 😉
        
        Go back over 40 years ago and Chris Laidlaw was revealing the same thing occurred with Wilson Whineray as skipper on his (Laidlaw’s) first tour to Britain and France in 1963-64. Indeed, he alleged the senior players blamed Earle Kirton when, on his debut they lost the only game on the 36 match tour to Newport, 3-0. Took Kirton four years to make his come back.
        
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        March 14, 2017 1:01pm
jonar

It’ll be interesting to see what happens when a large number of Trump voters realise they’re going to lose their health insurance, or at least be worse off.

http://ktla.com/2017/03/12/trump-voters-would-be-among-biggest-losers-in-republicans-obamacare-replacement-plan/

Americans who swept President Trump to victory — lower-income, older voters in conservative, rural parts of the country — stand to lose the most in federal health care aid under a Republican plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, according to a Los Angeles Times analysis of county voting and tax credit data.
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March 14, 2017 9:36am
- All_on_Red
  
  Meh, the system is collapsing and when that happens everybody will lose.
  So, yeah, lets do nothing. That’ll be a vote winner.
  
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  March 14, 2017 10:46am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Wed , this could be a useful guide for Trumpist like you,
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thkBLpRwdSM
    
    “That’ll be a vote winner.?”
    
    Free and affordable health care like we have here ?
    
    Your joking naturally ?
    
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    March 14, 2017 12:27pm
Paulus

Dan mixes with the Rich and Famous – does that include his wife at home with the children.
You think that New Zealanders are Rugby fanatics – some are but many more are not.
French Rugby surmounts even Madame Guillotine.
Go and find out.
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March 14, 2017 9:36am
Jack5

More than 3000 words in the Hooerald today reprinted from the Washington Post about a Ku Klux Klan sign and a Confederate flag in a southern American town. Then other folk took it down.

Did anyone get to the bottom of this article?

Obviously the Hooerald’s owner isn’t paying for reprinting rights on a per-word basis. (That owner is New Zealand Media and Entertainment, which in turn is majority owned by Sydney-based APN News & Media.)

Incidentally, the Commerce Commission has put off from tomorrow to April 11, the decision on NZ Media and Entertainment’s planned merger with Fairfax NZ.

The media moguls must have been pressuring the commission with last-minute submissions and threats of journo job losses.

If the Commerce Commission lets these two merge into one big conglomerate with a chokehold on the NZ print media and with strong presence in radio and TV, then the Commerce Commission isn’t worth a nob of goat dung.

A link to a story too long to wade through (the number folk might want to measure it):

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11817715
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March 14, 2017 9:37am
kowtow

Controversy in Europe over Turkish gummint ministers being prevented from addressing rallies of Turks waving their Muslim flags in various European cities.

Eventually the secular Frogs allowed the Turkish FM to speak in Metz.

As he got out of his car the faithful in full throat “Allah Akbar ” repeatedly.

Secular Turkey?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-referendum-france-arrival-idUSKBN16I0QU?il=0
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March 14, 2017 9:52am
- Inandout
  
  Tayyip Erdogan is quite insane, so presumably those under him are likewise. Islam and insanity once again.
  
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  March 14, 2017 10:24am
  - kowtow
    
    70 million lone wolves.
    
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    March 14, 2017 10:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Erdogan has been cleaning out the secularists.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Turkish_purges
  Don’t expect a secular Turkey while Erdogan and his mates are in power.
  http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/ataturk-versus-erdogan-turkeys-long-struggle
  
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  March 14, 2017 10:36am
EAD

The latest edition of the American Free Press has an article on Amazon’s decision to ban hundreds of books with alternative views of WWII including hundreds of scholarly tomes by chemists, scientists researchers and philosophers dealing with the details of the WWII “holocaust of the Jews.”

http://americanfreepress.net/

The Holocaust industry loves to point to the Nazi book burning episode and wags the finger at censorship, but then merrily bans and censors anything that dare question the sacred cow of the holocaust narrative.

I suspect they may have something to hide……perhaps the truth?
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March 14, 2017 9:55am
- EAD
  
  If people wonder why I keep banging the “revisionist” drum – it’s because the Jewish so called “Holocaust” lies that have been imposed upon all White countries represents the keystone that supports a whole system of other ideological lies that attack and seeks to destroy White societies, and only white societies through guilt tripping us into racial self destruction – even if our countries fought Germany in WWII!
  
  I will say though that there is a silver lining to this banning of Revisionist books.
  
  That the claimed three pillars of the “Holocaust“:
  – that National Socialist Germany had a plan to exterminate all the jews,
  – that it used “industrial” methods, i.e., gas chambers to do so,
  – & that it succeeded in murdering six million jews,
  
  can not stand scrutiny is demonstrated, once again.
  
  It is effectively a “Declaration of Defeat” on the part of the Holocaust Industry.
  
  It sees it cannot win the argument, so it resorts to banning the Revisionist’s argument from public circulation, using a mega-company that should more appropriately be now called, “AMAZiON”.
  
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  March 14, 2017 10:04am
  - mikenmild
    
    That the claimed three pillars of the “Holocaust“:
    – that National Socialist Germany had a plan to exterminate all the jews,
    – that it used “industrial” methods, i.e., gas chambers to do so,
    – & that it succeeded in murdering six million jews,
    can not stand scrutiny is demonstrated, once again.
    
    All your points have been refuted a thousand times (PRATT).
    
    I do, however, agree with you somewhat about Amazon – no one should need to suppress bullshit. But this will be a commercial decision by Amazon – stocking Nazi bullshit poses a reputational risk that they clearly don’t want.
    
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    March 14, 2017 10:59am
    - EAD
      
      I’m surprised you didn’t say they’ve been refuted 6 million times such is your level of dishonesty Milkmaid.
      
      It ain’t a commercial decision by AMAZON – It was pressure from organised Jewry that made them pull them and thus deny the chance the people to make up their own mind.
      
      http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/02/27/yad-vashem-calls-for-amazon-to-stop-selling-holocaust-denial-books/
      
      Political correctness is going to be the death of civilization. Truth is the only weapon we have, which is why such free speech is under attack.
      
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      March 14, 2017 11:28am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        EAD,
        
        You should really go visit Poland, where most of the ‘“industrial” methods, i.e., gas chambers’ were utilised by the Germans during their invasion. Go visit the sites, go to Warsaw that was almost completely flattened by the Germans before they withdrew in late 1944. Go visit Auschwitz. Yes, it’s not the original, but still.
        
        Honestly, you need a good dose of reality that reading just won’t cure. Because, try telling people in Poland that the Holocaust didn’t happen in their country, and see how you get on with that.
        
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        March 14, 2017 4:23pm
- G152
  
  And taadaa EAD the local nazi pops up
  
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  March 14, 2017 1:43pm
alwyn

I watched Q&A and The Nation from the weekend last night. Mostly I wanted to see how Little would explain why he now thought we could continue providing Super from 65 after he rubbished the idea for years.
His main claim seemed to be that it wouldn’t cost as much, as a percentage of GDP, as the Treasury estimates as Treasury were always conservative in their estimates and that GDP would be much higher in 2040 than they said.
Does the silly Little man not realise that if GDP is much higher so will the average income be, roughly, greater in the same proportion? Thus, if he plans to continue paying Super at the same proportion of average income it will have to be much higher than the estimates in 2040 assume? Still about the same percentage of GDP in fact. Is he really so stupid he doesn’t realise that or does he have a cunning Little plan to cut the rate of Super compared to the average income?
What do you really plan to do Andrew?
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March 14, 2017 9:56am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  ” Is he really so stupid”
  
  Yes, there are no limits to his stupidity.
  
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  March 14, 2017 11:24am
All_on_Red

‘“The International Monetary Fund in January slashed its forecast for Saudi economic growth this year to 0.4 percent from 2 percent. … Net foreign assets, though still above $500 billion, are shrinking as the government uses savings to plug a budget deficit that reached $79 billion last year — $107 billion if delayed payments to contractors are included.”
So how does a Resource based economy, whose citizen receive entitlements at such a high level that they don’t need to work, transition to a sustainable economy?
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March 14, 2017 9:59am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  To answer your question; with a bloody revolution, vast numbers of delightfully backwards and misogynistic Wahhabi refugees that the world will be anxious to invite into their countries, likely large scale famine and death and a wealthy upper-class scarpering to anywhere that will have them.
  
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  March 14, 2017 10:27am
- All_on_Red
  
  And they have to do it in five years before all the reserves are spent.
  Tick tock.
  
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  March 14, 2017 10:28am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    They won’t, they will keep spending up the same way until the cheques start bouncing and the bullets start flying.
    
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    March 14, 2017 10:36am
    - All_on_Red
      
      The age old solution was to invade a neighbour and pillage their resources.
      It’s not going to end very well is it.
      
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      March 14, 2017 10:47am
      - mikenmild
        
        Like Trump on Iraq? “We should have kept the oil”.
        
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        March 14, 2017 11:03am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Well Mikey, got to say that maybe Iraq could have contributed to the US military cost by giving them oil.
        You have to wonder if Mosul wouldn’t have gone to ISIS and Iraq would be more stable if the US hadn’t withdrawn.
        Yes yes, I know that was Bush’s plan but Obama didn’t have to stick to it.
        
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        March 14, 2017 12:52pm
- Komata
  
  AoR
  
  Evidently with some difficulty, although no doubt more Indians will be imported to ‘soften the blow’ and ensure that the locals don’t have to soil their hands by actually doing any work. Its been done before…
  
  They might even have to sell some of their London real estate, if only to get ‘pocket money’.
  
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  March 14, 2017 12:19pm
Jack5

Another case which supports capital punishment for murderers.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11817366
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March 14, 2017 10:22am
- Inandout
  
  What a sub human he appears.
  
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  March 14, 2017 10:40am
All_on_Red

‘President Trump plans to host Chinese President Xi Jinping at the gold-plated Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida next month for a lowering-the-temperature summit with vast economic and security implications, Axios has learned.’

No golf planned. Lance will be pleased.
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March 14, 2017 10:27am
- ztev
  
  What ever happened to Trumps claim the ‘One China policy was up for negotiation’
  Chinas President wouldnt come if that wasnt settled, as Trump has Kow- towed there.
  
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  March 14, 2017 11:30am
  - All_on_Red
    
    He’s let them keep it. AFTER he had long chats with the President of Taiwan- lol.
    Sort of puts in context how much the One China Policy means…
    
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    March 14, 2017 12:49pm
jonar

Obama didn’t wiretap Trump. Poor Spicer, how long will he last?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11817547

More than a week after Trump leveled his allegations in a series of early morning tweets, spokesman Sean Spicer said the president wasn’t using the word wiretapping literally, noting that Trump had put the term in quotation marks.

“The president used the word wiretap in quotes to mean broadly surveillance and other activities,” Spicer said. He also suggested Trump wasn’t accusing former President Barack Obama specifically, but instead referring to the actions of the Obama administration.
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March 14, 2017 10:33am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘His detractors take Trump literally but not seriously and his supporters take Trump seriously but not literally”
  
  Far be it from me to accuse you of petty nitpicking but…
  Today’s count is, Kellyanne Conway and Sean Spicer HAVE to go.
  Let me guess.
  Bannon next?
  #TDS
  
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  March 14, 2017 10:53am
  - ztev
    
    Pleeeese No.
    Its such fantastic fun watching the surrogates play their own Cirque Soleil over their masters real words.
    
    Just this week we have wiretapping doesnt mean what it says and Obamas Phony jobs are now real jobs with Trump.
    The ratings for the liberal TV shows are through the roof. CNN was faltering but its now roaring away.
    
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    March 14, 2017 11:34am
  - jonar
    
    #TSS – Trump sycophantic syndrome – Drumming up ridiculous excuses for Trump’s actions.
    
    So when Trump tweets “How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process.” what do you think his supporters interpreted that as?
    
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    March 14, 2017 11:44am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Don’t be stupid. I’ve criticised Trump many times. But you guys are over the top pathetic.
      It’s clear wire tapping can mean surveillance. And Obamas administration has form for this.
      
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      March 14, 2017 12:45pm
      - jonar
        
        Hahaha, OK from now on I’ll get you to interpret the meaning of any of Trump’s “communications”.
        
        You could also help out the DOJ. Those fools took him literally too.
        http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/trump-wiretapping-inquiry-170313230109060.html
        
        The Department of Justice has requested more time to respond to a request from lawmakers on the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee for evidence about President Donald Trump’s allegation that then-president Barack Obama wiretapped him.
        
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        March 14, 2017 4:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Perhaps I should. Leftards like you are obviously too thick to work it out.
        Are you sayin the New York Times report on 20 Jan with a headline describing wiretapping of the Trump Campaign is now fake news. Plus all the others.
        Oh dear.
        What a shame that today you can’t rely on the MSM. Lol.
        
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        March 14, 2017 7:58pm
The Beast

You gotta laugh at the hormonal school girls and their young male ‘friends’ outside parliament yesterday.

For ‘rape culture’ read ‘teenage testosterone’.
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March 14, 2017 10:36am
MCos

Watercare in Auckland can no longer guarantee a supply of potable water.
These people have only one job to supply one of the absolute basics of life.
Rather than taking responsibility for their shortcomings their approach is to make their customers feel guilty.
Typical NZ. Do things on the cheap & then pass the buck when things go wrong.
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March 14, 2017 10:56am
- waikatogirl
  
  Pretty rough of nature to chuck down so much rain the water level rose higher than the reservoir buttresses to keep out flood water. It’s happened. Stop your whinging and save your 20ltrs. If you’d ever lived in the country with your own water tank you’d be used to saving water periodically due to nature’s foibles! ?
  
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  March 14, 2017 11:03am
- ztev
  
  Where have they said the water wouldnt be ‘potable’, there is just a bit of colour problem, and they want people to dial back the consumption for 2 weeks. Small savings.
  
  Saw a TV program on Heathrow airport, family going to Bangladesh with 18 suitcases of luggage- they said they didnt want to wash their clothes while there as they end up a muddy colour, so it would all be bought back to be washed in UK. He was of bengali origin and quite non plussed about it.
  
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  March 14, 2017 11:27am
  - MCos
    
    “Watercare said if the target was not met, it might need to release untreated water into the system which would then need to be boiled.”
    i.e. The water would not be fit to drink
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/326378/aucklanders-not-saving-enough-water-to-avoid-boil-notice
    
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    March 14, 2017 12:26pm
    - rangitoto
      
      So what. The target saving is hardly onerous. You must be some sort of entitled city dweller. Were you one of those nimby greens blocking the Huia plant upgrade?
      
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      March 14, 2017 1:29pm
      - MCos
        
        No
        
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        March 14, 2017 2:01pm
rouppe

Where is the uproar that women using threats of rape as a tool to blackmail men is not OK?
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March 14, 2017 10:59am
- waikatogirl
  
  No it’s not OK, nor is it anywhere normal behaviour for the majority of women. She is clearly a feral with no moral compass.
  
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  March 14, 2017 11:05am
Manolo

Our pious resident Muslim should do well reading this article:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/islams-women/

The recent debate stirred by claims that Islam is the most feminist religion and Islamic law bestowed women’s rights, opens a Pandora’s box of thorny questions. If Islam is feminist, why is discrimination institutionalised in Saudi Arabia and Iran, the pillars of Sunni and Shiite Islam? If Islam improved the lot of women, what was their status in pre-Islamic Arabia? What is the position of Muslim women reformers on feminism in Islam?

Guardianship laws in Saudi Arabia restrict and infantilise women, as male kin have control over their medical treatment, education, choice of spouse, divorce, acquisition of property and so forth. In Iran, the hijab is considered the ‘beating heart of the religion’. ‘Bad hijab,’ or showing hair in public, is a criminal offence. According to Sharia law, polygyny, as well as inequality in marriage, custody, inheritance, court testimony and compensation are lawful.
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March 14, 2017 11:07am
Happychappy

Before I make this comment I believe all children should have to be Vaccinated but it does not get over the fact that the parents have rights and it is their choice maybe a selfish one at that. But if true that Andrew Little has said that Labour will look to prohibit children from early Education Teaching if they become the Government I think we are heading into the same territory as seabed and foreshore legislation and the Nanny State policy concerning shower heads and light bulbs from the last Clark Labour led Government. You can advise Parents that its not what you would do but you shouldn’t penalize children for their parents beliefs.
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March 14, 2017 11:21am
- Pateke
  
  Four letters for you as to why HC. NZEI
  
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  March 14, 2017 3:33pm
Manolo

The gulf between a candidate’s promise and the President’s reality:
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-13/trump-warns-it-could-take-several-years-for-health-costs-to-drop

President Donald Trump said it could take several years for health insurance prices to start to drop under an Obamacare replacement plan he is promoting, creating a rocky transition period that could pose a risk for members of Congress up for re-election next year and Trump’s own bid for a second term in 2020.
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March 14, 2017 11:47am
JasonJohns

Great call from PJMedia – if Obama won’t shut up, then it’s time to send him to jail
https://pjmedia.com/blog/the-trouble-with-barry/
Free speech and treason are not the same thing. McCain needs to learn the same lesson
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March 14, 2017 11:50am
- holysheet
  
  All the POW shit McCain went through has finally caught up with him. His brain is addled. Time for the funny farm.
  
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  March 14, 2017 11:58am
  - JasonJohns
    
    I agree that a psychiatric hospital would be a suitable place to incarcerate McCain. Detain him and the rest of the RINOs will get the message.
    
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    March 14, 2017 12:19pm
- cmm
  
  Not sure it’s treason, but sedition – certainly.
  
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  March 14, 2017 12:07pm
- Inandout
  
  There is a problem with Obama in that he is still protected by the Secret Service, like Trump. I presume the SS are rostered on and share duties between Obama and Trump. In any service, regardless of which type, humans gossip and Obama would dearly love to hear of any Trump conversations; impossible?
  
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  March 14, 2017 1:02pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I’m pretty sure, from watching House of Cards, that there would be quite separate Secret Service details for these tasks. Not that it would be impossible for any agent to have served on each detail, but it seems a bit unlikely. Also, remember that Trump’s allegation was the Obama was spying on him during the campaign. So that would limit your theory to the time after Trump secured the Republican nomination. Oh, and there is no evidence that such a thing happened, but we must not let that stop your speculations.
    
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    March 14, 2017 3:09pm
cha

So, this happened in the Netherlands.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C60vKebWYAA9jRe.jpg
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March 14, 2017 12:07pm
JasonJohns

24 million fewer americans to have hea;th care under Republican plan…who cares?
why does everyone expect the state to pay for them if they get sick? If some of the weeks and wilting flowers of american society blow away, all the better. the country will be purified. strength through endurance.
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March 14, 2017 12:18pm
- cha
  
  So, Trump lied when he said nobody’s going to be dying on the street if I’m President?.
  
  Trump, 2016: "Nobody's going to be dying on the street if I’m President." pic.twitter.com/HtFaHyXaFx— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) March 13, 2017
  
  https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/841389039345360901
  
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  March 14, 2017 12:27pm
  - realityczech
    
    No, but Obama lied when he said they wouldn’t. Under that filthy beast race riots and mass killings were normalised
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
    
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    March 14, 2017 12:35pm
- Nev.
  
  Some Americans eat themselves to death. Others change sexes at great expense to the taxpayer then kill themselves.
  
  You simply can’t save people from themselves.
  
  (Note: 24 million is the conservative estimate of illegals in America. It’s also the unemployment rate.)
  
  Nev.
  
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  March 14, 2017 12:34pm
  - cha
    
    Eleven million is a conservative estimation.
    
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/03/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
    
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    March 14, 2017 12:44pm
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJaohns , I take it that you would like to see our affordable health care replaced by a more unaffordable US equivalent ?
  
  Deluded much !
  
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  March 14, 2017 3:09pm
- stephieboy
  
  24 million fewer Americans
  
  Sicko !
  
  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/95/b0/a6/95b0a627f9fccd40d6f48058faaa97e8.jpg
  
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  March 14, 2017 3:11pm
cha

It was the microwave!.

(CNN)The White House on Monday walked back a key point of President Donald Trump’s unsubstantiated allegation that President Barack Obama wiretapped his phones in Trump Tower during the 2016 election.
Namely, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Trump wasn’t referring to wiretapping when he tweeted about wiretapping.

[…]

“What I can say is there are many ways to surveil each other,” Conway said, before suggesting that surveillance could take place through phones, TVs or “microwaves that turn into cameras.”

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/13/politics/sean-spicer-donald-trump-wiretapping/index.html
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March 14, 2017 12:21pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘I can see Russia from my microwave!’
  
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  March 14, 2017 12:44pm
- Lance
  
  I want one of those camera-microwaves.
  
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  March 14, 2017 3:01pm
- mikenmild
  
  But can I use my camera as a microwave?
  
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  March 14, 2017 3:03pm
Nev.

Stephen Williams (Coral Burrows killer) wants to stay in prison his whole life as punishment for the murder, a short rope and a long drop is the only acceptable punishment for this POS. Keeping him in prison his whole life will cost us 5 million dollars, not counting the money spent on the searches and court case.

Though the prison guards could have saved us over a million dollars by letting him finish the job he started out to do on the other murderer.

No sympathy for either of them.

Nev.
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March 14, 2017 12:32pm
holysheet

Headline news
“Worlds worse humanitarian crisis is underway in the Sudan.” again.
Two things come to mind.
Firstly, as most of these people are Moslem, surely its the will of Allah that this is happening? Why fight something that is ordained from above.

Secondly isn’t this where Snapper man Shearer is supposed to be doing gods work for the UN?
He must be as piss poor at that job as he was as leader of liabore here.

Snowflakes with guns don’t last to long in that heat.
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March 14, 2017 12:34pm
- CrazyIvan
  
  No, Shearer is in charge of the UN operations in SOUTH Sudan, which is now a completely different country (and predominantly Christian)
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:29pm
Manolo

Sudan is a failed state, open wound and permanent sore on the world scene.
Its never ending civil and religious wars will keep its poor people in extreme poverty for the foreseeable future.
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March 14, 2017 12:45pm
- waikatogirl
  
  So much for the Sudanese spokesman who was demanding more resources so they can help (financed by the west presumably) .
  
  Nothing will change until Sudan sort out their own internal religious killings and corruption. Throwing more money at them won’t change a thing.
  
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  March 14, 2017 1:11pm
Ross12

People wonder why voters are getting very angry with the EU elite. This could help explain it

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/13/eu-migration-centre-africa-6-million/

Soon there won’t be any people smuggling or NGO assisted passage across the Med –the 747s loads will be landing at major EU airports.
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March 14, 2017 12:56pm
Keeping Stock

And just when you thought “no tax increases” meant there wouldn’t be any tax increases under Labour comes this:

Matthew Hooton‏
@MatthewHootonNZ

On @NZMorningReport, @AndrewLittleMP won’t rule out a new 40% top tax rate in 1st term.

So Little’s policy, announced just 72 hours ago on Saturday, can now be consigned to the dusbin, because Little refuses to rule out that there WILL in fact be tax increases.

Still; this policy lasted for 72 hours, so Little is improving. A number of his other flip-flops have happened within 24 hours, so he is gradually getting better. By the time of the election, he might even be able to make a policy announcement last for a week before he flip-flops.

Andrew Little embodies the old quote attributed to Groucho Marx;
“Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them… well, I have others.”
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March 14, 2017 1:21pm
- chris
  
  Here’s what I said the other day when DPF posted “Yay – Little pledges no tax increases”:
  
  “He said as a result, his team was not planning to raise taxes if elected.”
  
  This is neither a pledge nor a promise.
  
  and
  
  It gives them a lot of leeway, making a statement like that. You can increase taxes on eg 100k plus, decrease them on eg 30k and under, make sure it’s fiscally neutral, and you haven’t raised taxes. Which is of course not unlike what National did when it increased GST.
  
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  March 14, 2017 1:47pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I bet we would see if Labour were to be elected we would see fun things like estate duty, gift duty, CGT and probably some form of land tax.
  And because of his comments about negative gearing something in that area.
  I think i will ask my new MP about these and see what she says.
  
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  March 14, 2017 4:35pm
Manolo

I know my mate Kimbo is waiting for the tip: The Calculus Wars by Jason Bardi on Leibniz and Newton’s differences.
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March 14, 2017 1:37pm
- Kimbo
  
  Thanks. From what I understand Newton could be a real “raze their city and plough the ground with salt” bastard if he ever disagreed with someone. 😉
  
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  March 14, 2017 2:18pm
  - Manolo
    
    A giant of physics and mathematics, but also very hard and unforgiving to those who crossed him, for example Robert Hooke.
    
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    March 14, 2017 3:14pm
    - Kimbo
      
      So the moral is, science may be science, but even the most gifted of its practitioners are flawed human beings…so we should apply it with caution? 😉
      
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      March 14, 2017 3:17pm
      - Manolo
        
        Always. Think of it: the great Albert did not care much about his first child with Mileva and was an absent father most of the time.
        
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        March 14, 2017 3:34pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think he could have found a happy home here on KB.
    
    I must read his notebooks one day….
    http://www.newtonproject.ox.ac.uk/his-personal-life
    
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    March 14, 2017 3:21pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Didn’t Newton “waste” 10 to 20 years of his career engaged in the search for alchemy?
      
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      March 14, 2017 3:24pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I say “waste”, as scientists get to cover their arse/justify their non-discoveries yet on-going budgets by arguing “I was benefiting the scholarly consensus by eliminating false alternatives” 😉
        
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        March 14, 2017 3:30pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Kimbo
        
        as far as I know, Newton indulged in alchemy/metaphysics/ religion all his life….
        
        Not for just one period.
        
        Anyway.. what do you think of his sins?
        http://www.newtonproject.ox.ac.uk/view/texts/normalized/ALCH00069#p005
        
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        March 14, 2017 3:36pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Possibly Eintesin too,
      
      http://www.livescience.com/46061-einstein-chaotic-love-life.html
      
      Genius can have a price would you not agree ?
      
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      March 14, 2017 3:24pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, could you illuminate Einsteins Theory of Gravitation ? Something to do with space time and the bending of light .
  
  Compared to Newton’s idea of force that attracts a body towards a mass like the earth , the sun and so forth .
  
  Genuine question .
  
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  March 14, 2017 2:30pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    As opposed to the non-genuine questions you are implying you usually ask?
    
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    March 14, 2017 2:35pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …you usually ask?
      
      Justified adverb! Utterly/Completely/Surely/Absolutely!! 😉
      
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      March 14, 2017 2:37pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Kimbo , I take it if someone like Manolo makes a spurious claim like the “The Kenyan ” in respect of the former President that it should go unchallnged ?
        
        Much like you attempting to do a snow job / whitewash on President Nixon.?
        
        http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/yes-nixon-scuttled-the-vietnam-peace-talks-107623
        
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        March 14, 2017 2:44pm
      - Manolo
        
        I commend to you the delicious “Fumblerules” by William Safire, master of the English language!
        
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        March 14, 2017 3:43pm
  - Manolo
    
    Many books have been written on this matter, stephieboy.
    
    Einstein’s masterpiece are his theories of Relativity (Special and General). The key is the concept that mass changes our perception of time (and yes, it bends light, black holes and the lot). For our modest planet Newton’s laws of gravitation are enough, but Einstein’s formula (a gem) corrects it for the greater cosmos.
    
    Now pass me a dram of Balvenie 16yo and we’ll continue chatting. 😀
    
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    March 14, 2017 3:40pm
  - Pateke
    
    A troll’s question. I call BS to the ‘genuine question.’
    
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    March 14, 2017 3:40pm
krazykiwi

Brexit Bill has passed through UK Parliament.

Theresa May has tonight ruled out Nicola Sturgeon’s plans for a new Scottish independence referendum before Brexit, but postponed triggering Article 50 after the First Minister’s demands caught her by surprise.

In a day of high drama, Ms Sturgeon appeared to wrong-foot No 10 when she announced she would set the wheels in motion for a second referendum next week, and insisted the ballot should take place between autumn 2018 and spring 2019 – while the Brexit negotiations are still going on.

The Prime Minister issued a stern rebuke, telling her “politics is not a game”, and accusing her of “tunnel vision”.
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March 14, 2017 2:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Erdogan asks Merkel why she is hiding/sheltering terrorists
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/recep-tayyip-erdogan-lashes-anew-angela-merkel-170313203832331.html
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March 14, 2017 2:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  Do you think it might be a delibrate ploy by Angela Merkal ?
  
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  March 14, 2017 2:38pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Why do you want to know what I think, stephieboy?
    
    What does it matter what I think?
    
    I assume you are an adult…. read the link and think it out for yourself.
    
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    March 14, 2017 3:05pm
    - stephieboy
      
      I assume you can answer a question otherwise what you posted seems rather pointless .
      
      But first spend some time and get a proper perspective on life and get over yourself .
      
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      March 14, 2017 3:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Ok, stephieboy
        
        I’ll explain it slowly for you, but first read carefully what I posted.
        
        Erdogan wants to know about the Kurds that are in Germany. Why?
        
        Reminds me of folks who escaped Russia to avoid the Commies, then got trapped under Nazis, then lived in fear of Stasi spies, then came to NZ to live in peace……
        But there’s always someone hanging around asking nasty questions.
        Why? What do they want?
        
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        March 14, 2017 3:45pm
- krazykiwi
  
  That stephiething has an unhealthy interest in you Maggy. Kinda creepy.
  
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  March 14, 2017 3:08pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Your pseudonym was a delibrate choice ?
    
    LOL!
    
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    March 14, 2017 3:20pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    KrazyKiwi:
    
    That stephiething has an unhealthy interest in you Maggy.
    
    Maggy informed Stephieboy the other day: “I do not have saggy little tits”. A comment like that (judging by past form) is bound to get Stephieboy’s attention! Perhaps Stephieboy sees Maggy as a refreshing change from the “beautiful young daughters” with”small but ample breasts” at St Lukes?
    
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    March 14, 2017 4:18pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh Nostradamus,
      
      give an old lady some credit…
      
      I was not tempting stephieboy….
      I was merely repeating some of the descriptive but incorrect crap that has been levelled at me, here on KB.
      
      I agree that my mammary glands may have succumbed to gravity, but they are not little.
      
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      March 14, 2017 4:40pm
  - calendar girl
    
    stephieboy seems to be stalking Maggy, and (at best) it’s becoming unhealthy.
    
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    March 14, 2017 6:17pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Erdogan is a nasty piece of work, stirring up dissent to help secure his permanent grab for power.
  
  Germany has been Turkey’s closest European ally for decades. It’s where a majority of Turkish students go to study overseas.
  
  Now he’s taunting Merkel about immigrant terrorism, while at the same time threatening to scrap Turkey’s deal to stop the flow of migrants into Europe.
  
  Nasty. Dangerous. He’s killing secular Turkey in pursuit of unfettered personal power.
  
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  March 14, 2017 4:46pm
Stars And Stripes

Donated bikes stolen from South Auckland primary school
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/326539/donated-bikes-stolen-from-auckland-primary- school
“The bicycles, which had been donated by the Bikes in Schools programme, were taken from a locked garage at decile 1 Nga Iwi School in Mangere.
Teau ‘Mr T’ Aiturau, who teaches bike skills at Nga Iwi, said about 20 of the 30 bikes donated by the programme were stolen over the weekend. Seven had been recovered”.

So bikes are the latest thing for vulnerable schools to get down on adding it to the ever growing list of charity bludges.
Ultimately whether the bikes were pinched or not is probably immaterial as either way they were destined to be either wrecked by the kids or be taken by their parents and swapped for weed at the local pub.
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March 14, 2017 2:27pm
- Inandout
  
  Nothing so low as a low Maori, my old boss used to say.
  
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  March 14, 2017 4:14pm
stephieboy

Stars and Stripes , heard the same item on your Radio Red .

Thought it wouldn’t be long for someone like you to elucidate with crude and abnoxious stereotypes.

Perhaps even someone likeTeau ‘Mr T’ Aiturau is simply too good to be true in you bigoted bag of tricks
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March 14, 2017 2:36pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Glad to be of assistance Stephieboy.
  The choices were pretty stark today actually, either run down poor black kids in South Auckland or join the cacophony of fat ugly lesbians and feminine schoolboys shrieking about rape culture.
  The choice was obvious from where I stood.
  
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  March 14, 2017 2:59pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Stars and Stripes , consider a voluntary admission to the Mason Clinic or similar .
    
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    March 14, 2017 3:04pm
    - Inandout
      
      Muslims don’t like Masons.
      
      http://www.themalaymailonline.com/opinion/zurairi-ar/article/how-muslims-came-to-fear-freemasons
      
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      March 14, 2017 4:18pm
Captain Mainwaring

Here’s something for the sky fairy fans amongst us to contemplate.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/90413051/studies-say-growing-up-atheist-makes-you-a-better-person
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March 14, 2017 3:22pm
- Inandout
  
  ‘That’s the view of Californian sociologist Phil Zuckerman’.
  
  He would say that wouldn’t he, considering he has made atheism a money earner.
  
  http://pitweb.pitzer.edu/academics/faculty/phil-zuckerman/
  
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  March 14, 2017 5:19pm
wiseowl

Some of the most appalling legislation being debated in the house.
The RMA amendment bill that gives too much power to Nick Smith or any other Minister in his position.

As an aside it looked like the acting speaker was eating something when a speech finished and the camera went back to him.
So professional.
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March 14, 2017 3:23pm
Manolo

Getting testy in The Netherlands:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4310504/Right-wing-Dutch-politician-Geert-Wilders-fiery-TV-debate.html

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte clashed with his main rival anti-Islam MP Geert Wilders on Monday, as they laid out starkly opposing visions of their country’s future in an election campaign now consumed by a diplomatic row with Turkey.
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March 14, 2017 3:54pm
krazykiwi

I see Elon Musk has proposed a giant battery to help South Australia ‘solve’ the shortage of power which has resulted from their wind energy fetish.

An enterprising UK blogger has observed:

Musk may well have to come through on his offer. Cannon-Brookes said he would take a week to try and raise the funds and political support for the project. At an estimate cost of some A$200 million (£125m), it’s an expensive bet for Musk to take.

In other words, £125m for 100 MWh of storage.Let’s put these numbers into some sort of perspective.

Wind power provided 13 TWh in the UK during Q1 last year. This equates to 142,857 MWh/day.

So for £125m, we could have enough battery storage to replace this wind power for a whole minute, should the wind stop.

Bargain!
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March 14, 2017 4:14pm
Stars And Stripes

V accused of contributing to rape culture with new ‘spiked punch’ drink
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2017/03/v-accused-of-contributing-to-rape-culture-with-new-spiked-punch-drink.html.
“The “obvious connotations” are concerning, according to Rape Prevention Education executive director Debbi Tohill.
“This indicates a lack of responsibility from the company and leads to the rape culture we have that is so prevalent today,” Ms Tohill told Newshub.
That message was echoed by the National Council of Women”.

The butch lesbians at the rape agencies are really on a role now finding rape culture on V drinks.
Interesting given teenage girls are some of the biggest purchasers of V, this must make them guilty of aiding and abetting.
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March 14, 2017 5:00pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stars And Stripes:
  
  And a good line-up of “experts” are quoted in the article:
  
  – Rape Prevention Education executive director
  – National Council of Women spokesperson
  – Senior psychology lecturer at Auckland University of Technology
  – Senior lecturer in marketing at the University of Auckland
  – Anonymous Facebook user.
  
  I’d like to see a follow-up NewsHub article that asks customers for their views.
  
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  March 14, 2017 5:41pm
  - nasska
    
    This could lead to the acceptance of “nasska’s” law which states that, “the invective of mad, man hating, feminist slobs measured in decibels is directly proportional to the width of their arses measured in axe handles”. 🙂
    
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    March 14, 2017 6:00pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      So, applying Nasska’s law to the following quote, how many axe handles are you visualising?
      
      “Wouldn’t it be great if V was selling ‘Consensual Guarana’ having their customers say ‘YES YES YES!’ rather than something sneaky and underhand?”
      
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      March 14, 2017 6:04pm
      - nasska
        
        Many, many axe handles Nostra! 🙂
        
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        March 14, 2017 6:07pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Now which make/length of axe handle should I use to check on the width of my botty?
      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Sarah_Seager,_Axe_Handles_(1999).jpg
      
      Edit:
      Oh damn, the link doesn’t work…. so much for “art”
      use your imagination
      
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      March 14, 2017 6:47pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maggy
        
        The link works when you copy the full link (including the .jpg) into the internet browser.
        
        My question, based on the image I’ve seen, is how would you select an axe handle from that collection? Some of them are curved, some are straight, some are short, and some are long.
        
        I’ve never thought of a bottom as a sculptured body part, but perhaps I’ve missed something all these years?
        
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        March 14, 2017 7:14pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Well, I am surprised…
        
        I thought you were a man of the world and would know the fine details.
        
        I imagine you just need to measure from the start of one love handle over to the outer edge of the corresponding bum cheek’s flab.
        
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        March 14, 2017 8:23pm
Jack5

The border-crashing boat people are getting closer to New Zealand.

Seventy Vietnamese “blue boats” have been fishing illegally in New Caledonia, only 1980 km from Auckland (Stewart Island is 1265 miles from Auckland).

These are typical of Asian boats that have been used to smuggle illegal migrants into Australia.

The question is: to stop an invasion, will NZ have the balls to imprison illegal border crashers or sink their ships? Not if we get a coalition government with Greens having any say in it.

It’s no time to waste defence resources with the like of Afghanistan deployments and supplying UN peacekeeper-monitors. We need to prepare our Navy and Air Force to fight off gatecrashers.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/326573/70-vietnamese-boats-in-new-caledonia-waters-illegally
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March 14, 2017 5:30pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  No government in NZ has the balls to do that.
  All the grubs would be welcomed with open arms, put on the benefit, given a state house and then given some special scholarships to university to compensate them for the horrible deprivations that this country has inflicted on them.
  
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  March 14, 2017 5:37pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Jack 5:
  
  The question is: to stop an invasion, will NZ have the balls to imprison illegal border crashers or sink their ships?
  
  This could be fun!
  
  The game is played on four grids, two for each player. The grids are typically square – usually 10×10 – and the individual squares in the grid are identified by letter and number. … When all of the squares of a ship have been hit, the ship is sunk, and the ship’s owner announces this (e.g. “You sank my battleship!”). If all of a player’s ships have been sunk, the game is over and their opponent wins.
  
  I’ll go first: E3!
  
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  March 14, 2017 7:19pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How many squares does a battleship comprise?
    
    are they like this?
    
    # Class of ship Size
    1 Carrier 5
    2 Battleship 4
    3 Cruiser 3
    4 Submarine 3
    5 Destroyer 2
    
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    March 14, 2017 7:25pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Maggy:
      
      It might look like this:
      
      Cruise liner 10
      Foreign fishing boat 3
      Asylum seeker boat 1
      (NZ edition only) Alan Langdon’s tiny catamaran 0.5
      
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      March 14, 2017 7:41pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Swap destroyer and submarine. And make subs 1×1. Harder to find, but one hit and they are gone. ( Just like in real war)….
      
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      March 14, 2017 8:18pm
- reid3
  
  We don’t have an air force Jack. We have an air transport service.
  
  This is what I and Raymond Ching were pointing out to the stoooopid sheeple in Letters to the Editor in the Herald while Hulun was busily getting rid of the strike force and turning down the generous US offer of F-16s.
  
  This was before the interweb and blogs, hence the letters to the editor channel. We were the only ones they published. We were the only opposition posed at the time. The media and the sheeple were full of: there is no threat so why do we need them. Raymond and I pointed out just because no-one can see a threat today doesn’t mean one won’t heave onto the horizon tomorrow, and you can’t spin up a strike capability in 5 minutes when it does.
  
  Our strike force when we had it used to spend half their flight hours on maritime strike training missions. Because – duh – we’re a maritime nation.
  
  These simple basic elementary geostrategic facts penetrate not to the media nor the sheeple nor almost all politicians, therefore the fools do what they’ve done.
  
  Which is reduce us to high vulnerability of the very thing you’re pointing out is possible.
  
  You’re twenty years behind Raymond and I mate, but at least you’re one of the few who recognises it now.
  
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  March 14, 2017 7:39pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    I beg to differ Reid.
    
    Back then New Zealand existed in a “benign strategic environment”. We knew that everything was hunky-dory back then because Helen told us.
    
    (But she also described former United States Ambassador Carol Moseley Braun as “a pecan farmer in Alabama”, so perhaps international relations wasn’t her strength.)
    
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    March 14, 2017 7:48pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Yes. Complete head up their backside stuff. They were going at a ridiculous price and would have given us the ability to do the airdefence role that our troops desperately needed in Afghanistan, (rather than beg our allies to cover our arses). Further we could have trained more effectively with forward air controllers, having a WW2 Spitfire do a couple of passes doesn’t quite cut the mustard in today’s combat theaters.
    
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    March 14, 2017 8:16pm
    - realityczech
      
      “desperately needed in Afghanistan”
      
      Was that after Afghanistan attacked NZ… oh wait… the USA… ummm I mean … they attacked ???
      
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      March 14, 2017 8:33pm
    - reid3
      
      That’s another role. Now the SAS need Aus to do the FAC training.
      
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      March 14, 2017 8:40pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      The Aussies would have appreciated the F16s to help provide air defence for their Air to air refuelling Tankers and AWACS which would free up the Hornets for long range strike.
      They were a bargain. You weren’t alone Reid. My argument at the time was they helped us play our part in a regional defensive role.
      Shame.
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:09pm
      - reid3
        
        Yeah it was Bolger’s fault first never forget. The Irish traitor was offered them and he was the first to turn them down. Then Hulun refused again.
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        $100 million!
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:14pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It’s worse than this. Angry was quoted today as questioning the long-term $20 Billion plan to update our defence force capability.
  He’d rather spend the money on giving bludgers the lifestyle they think they’re entitled to and resettling unemployable refugees.
  We need to keep this idiot and his mate Airhead, as well as the commo Greens, away from the levers of power forever.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:11pm
- Longknives
  
  The Greens will welcome the first boat of ‘Refugees’ with open arms- Dave Dobbyn and Lucy Lawless will be down at the wharf arm in arm with the Greenies singing them songs of welcome.
  They will then be driven off to WINZ and HNZ to commence their life of luxury courtesy of the NZ taxpayer..
  
  Then word will get back to their families and friends at home- ‘NZ is such a Soft Touch’! And the floodgates will well and truly be opened…
  
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  March 15, 2017 3:08pm
Lucia Maria

A number of really, good jokes. Even the Trumpets might like them…

Trump’s Lies on Wiretapping, Health Care: A Closer Look – Late Night with Seth Myers

11 minutes 26 seconds video
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March 14, 2017 8:05pm
- EAD
  
  (((Seth Meyers)))
  
  exactly the same type of “humour” as fellow late night “comedian” Jon ~~Leibowitz~~ Stewart.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:51pm
  - realityczech
    
    Now this is funny 🙂
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXWlQxUNFLY
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:00pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Fucking hell. No wonder Russians are tough.
      Imagine that at Berkeley!
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:06pm
      - realityczech
        
        The women did not even seem that perturbed by it. I think Russians might make better friends than enemies 🙂
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:17pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I have a few Russian friends. Great people. But let’s be frank. Putin is a murdering tyrant.
        Could be useful…
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:25pm
      - realityczech
        
        Putin is a pussy compared to the mass murderer Obama. Don’t be so arrogant to think Bill English could run Russia.
        
        Russia is just starting out with its first baby steps towards democracy. It has much to learn. While under Obama the USA went backwards with less democracy and freedom, while spreading war around the world.
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:32pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Agree that Russia is on the way. Figures and reports I’ve seen indicate it’s not the economic basket case the MSM have us believe.
        A lot of internal trade going on as they enjoy a growing economy. Reasonably self sufficient, lots of high tech (3rd largest exporter of software in the world) have many international manufacturers based there supplying burgeoning local markets.
        In some ways comparable to the US in the 50’s where a growing middle class fed growth.
        Putins done a good job. The oligarchs almost stole it all.
        Of course the US’s middle class has been decimated today.
        Trumps onto that.
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:39pm
      - realityczech
        
        Russia started capitalism with gangsters, thugs and massive corruption. It was the wild west. The average Russian still has it pretty tough.
        
        I hope they get their act together. Hard to believe such intelligent and resilient people create such awful political and social systems.
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:45pm
Inandout

The Circa news people in US seem to be getting the good oil on what is going on in Washington. It is sad when the MSM are too biased to report the truth anymore regarding the Trump/Russia rumour. There is NO evidence.
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March 14, 2017 8:31pm
- All_on_Red
  
  It’s funny isn’t it. Now you have all the simpleton morons who were shrieking “Trump is Putins puppet!!!” all playing look squirrel as they slowly realise how paranoid, delusional and stupid they really are.
  
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  March 14, 2017 8:53pm
  - realityczech
    
    They also say RT is run by Putin. Yet a quick check of RT shows the usual anti Trump articles of the msm.
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:33pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Ironic that a lot of lefties quote Al Jazeera, a Network owned by Qatar govt and Ruling family.
      Not exactly known for liberal attitudes.
      Amazing eh. The Left are really fucked up.
      Edit, RT does push climate change though. Vlad does want to slow down fracking..lol
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:45pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yeah just like China does. They are laughing their heads off at the West self destructing under the ideologies the USSR implanted.
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        China loves renewables- as they laugh all the way to the Bank.
        
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        March 14, 2017 9:54pm
nasska

“I’m sorry, ” said the doctor when my wife had her scan, “your child will be slow in development and may well grow up to have criminal tendencies. ”

“Is there anything we can do? ” we both asked.

“Yes, ” replied the doctor, “move away from Mount Roskill. “
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March 14, 2017 8:32pm
reid3

EAD especially, you’ll love this:

The Ideological Disease known as ‘Cultural Marxism’ Exposed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg3T_H2LZ54

How the Frankfurt School Changed American Culture
http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/02/how-the-frankfurt-school-changed-american-culture/
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March 14, 2017 8:55pm
- EAD
  
  Evening Reid,
  
  I watched that video on CM and it is good at explaining what cultural marxism is, how cultural marxism works but it glosses over thought who and why would these people wish to overturn society in a permanent revolution
  
  It then becomes Cui bono? – who stands to gain from the the destruction of Western Civilization. It’s a path very few are willing to tread….
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:30pm
  - EAD
    
    Savant covers this aspect very well in his latest post about why people “fear to tread down that path”:
    
    http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/03/altering-our-brain-chemistry.html?m=0
    
    I can see the same chemical reaction on here – people have literally been brainwashed to react like Pavlovs dogs when certain words or ideas are bought up.
    
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    March 14, 2017 9:33pm
    - reid3
      
      Yeah That’s why I put the second link, to give words to the who.
      
      Sheeple don’t realise they’ve had a Judaic third rail implanted in their minds.
      
      You’d think they would the way they spout off about Muslims all day every day because you’d think they’d notice how they’re completely unable in their concrete-filled minds to apply precisely the same critque to Israel when Israel does precisely the same things to human beings that ~~the~~ some Muslims do.
      
      But no.
      
      They can’t.
      
      That’s why I’ve studied propaganda for decades EAD. Because I could see it’s a mind control mechanism second to none.
      
      And like you, the only reason I’m here is to change people’s minds.
      
      So I use it quite a lot on here, same techniques, and same things the evil ones use, and as usual, the sheeple don’t notice I’ve used it.
      
      Because they don’t notice I’ve been talking to their subconscious, not them.
      
      I could be really rich if I was evil, knowing what I know. But unlike them, I couldn’t live with myself, if I did what they do.
      
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      March 14, 2017 9:58pm
rightoverlabour

Someone is going to be in a spot of shit over this. As they say you can’t have your cake and eat it,. Got to laugh considering the amount of paperwork one has to fill in when wanting to replace the dunny ( ask Jacinda)

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/90384093/westland-district-council-awards-cake-decorators-firm-7-million-contract-to-build-sewage-plant
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March 14, 2017 9:03pm
- realityczech
  
  Oh shit. What a shambles.
  
  How did this get signed off !
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:15pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Oh that’s funny.
  ‘But Vivek is an honest man!’
  Yet over on the other thread Twyford wants to give Councils access to $1 billion for property development. That’ll work out well.
  Why do we let Councils and their staff get away with this. Every one seems to be incompetent.
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh Gracious….
  you wouldn’t read about it!
  
  As an aside, I had a wee mate whose mum was a sai Baba devotee….
  I was honoured with an hour-long video of their visit to the big sai Baba ashram in Puttaparthi.
  http://im.rediff.com/money/2011/apr/26sai5.jpg
  
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  March 14, 2017 9:48pm
- reid3
  
  Amazing isn’t it.
  
  Huge scandal.
  
  Buried in the business pages.
  
  If it was a white man awarding the contract to another white man, I wonder where it would be placed.
  
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  March 14, 2017 10:07pm
reid3

Dead End: Senate Intelligence Dems Admit There May Be ZERO Evidence Of Collusion Between Russians And Trump Campaign

But Lucia and stephie will persist in their fantasy.

You’d after WMDs they’d have got a clue but evidently, not really.

Shows the problem when you do your logic with your heart, especially when its bleeding heavily.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/03/10/dead-end-senate-intelligence-dems-admit-there-may-be-zero-evidence-of-collusion-between-russians-and-trump-campaign-n2296924
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March 14, 2017 9:17pm
Manolo

Chancellor or Fuhrer Merkel?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_GERMANY_SOCIAL_MEDIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-03-14-06-57-19

Germany’s justice minister is proposing fines of up to 50 million euros ($53 million) for social networking sites that fail to swiftly remove illegal content, such as hate speech or defamatory “fake news.”
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March 15, 2017 6:04am
Manolo

The Turks have Europe by the balls:
As part of its furious response, Turkey said it would impose various travel sanctions on Dutch diplomats such as halting all high-level political discussions with the Netherlands in the wake of the Dutch government’s decision to bar two cabinet ministers from campaigning in the country.

Kurtulmus also says the Dutch ambassador to Turkey, who was traveling when the diplomatic row started, won’t be allowed to return, and said that Turkey’s government plans to advise parliament to withdraw from a Dutch-Turkish friendship group.

However the most troubling development, and one which has the potential to sway the outcome of the Dutch election which will be held in less than two days, is that in the final power play aimed towards Merkel, Kurtulmus exclaimed that since “Europe has not kept its promises on the migrant deal, for us that agreement has ended.”
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March 15, 2017 6:36am
Longknives

There seemingly isn’t enough money in the Kitty for us to have a Pension when we retire- But Chris Finlayson and his trusty ‘neverending chequebook’ continue to pander to ludicrous and greedy Maori claims…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11818725

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10830586
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