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duggledog

Down country I hear Clair Curran was banging on at a protest about Cadbury’s shutting down their factory – their factory – and the loss of a bunch of jobs.

She said to the company who owns Cadbury ‘come and talk to us and we will listen, if you don’t we will fight you’

Yeah good one Clair, that’s really going to work. Don’t wait by the phone or anything cos I don’t think it’ll ring.

I wonder if the newly redundant workers link their situation to left footers exactly like Curran who fight for ever better conditions, rights, benefits, hours etc on their behalf – only to find their employers just can’t… afford to employ them anymore.
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March 12, 2017 8:06am
- Paulus
  
  Remember her supposedly secret Labour Party paper called –
  “It is the Language that counts”.
  I still look at it sometimes and wonder where she went wrong.
  Benson-Pope will know.
  
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  March 12, 2017 8:13am
- pdm
  
  On NewstalkZB 8-midnight on Friday Marcus Lush was cheerleading for the Union organisers of the march. He was asking for people to call in with slogans the marchers could chant through the streets and at the factory walls.
  
  Marcus Lush union activist to the core.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:16am
  - kowtow
    
    Oompa Lumpa Lives Matter.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja8V8Mf4xLs
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:25am
  - waikatogirl
    
    One of the Cadbury protesters stated “there are more important things than making a profit”.
    
    I imagine Cadbury, and every other business, would disagree.
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:27am
    - artemisia
      
      Yep, if businesses don’t (eventually) make a profit their owners / shareholders will desert them. Bye bye business.
      
      Even if the business embrace diversity, partnership and social justice. NZ is an incredibly easy place to do business. These protesters could pool their resources, set up a business and run it however they like. Not holding my breath. Much easier to require other people to take responsibility, and risk.
      
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      March 12, 2017 9:40am
    - Happychappy
      
      No one likes bad business owners who exploit their staff but lets face it you didn’t have business where would the jobs come from and if you don’t have profit who is going to pay you. It seems like Labour and the Unions are saying if it wasn’t for us you wouldn’t have a business so do what your told. God help NZ and people that want to invest here if the Left obtain power.
      
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      March 12, 2017 11:02am
    - ross411
      
      Sounds like someone who could live a life of luxury in Venezuela, the promised land of those who state many of the same things.
      
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      March 12, 2017 11:10am
    - cmm
      
      “One of the Cadbury protesters stated “there are more important things than making a profit”.”
      
      Except for the companies my Kiwisaver invests in.
      
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      March 12, 2017 5:26pm
  - Viking2
    
    From reports it seems 400 work at the factory but only 300 turned up and I’ll wager many of them were not employees.
    
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    March 12, 2017 11:25am
  - Manolo
    
    The hopeless Lush has been a Greenie all his life. Not worth listening to!
    
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    March 12, 2017 2:47pm
    - pdm
      
      I was trapped – he gives me the guts ache. Aunt Daisy would have had more charisma and enthusiasm.
      
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      March 12, 2017 7:21pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Well said duggle!
  
  Here is the formula for closing down factories (Labour style):
  
  – strengthen union powers when you are in govt (not often admittedly – but even in little bits you can do enough to close factories)
  – roll out employment legislation that makes it damn near impossible to sack lazy or useless workers
  – demonise those creating jobs to the point where the term ‘rich prick’ is an acceptable thing to say to describe an employer at chardonnay socialist dinner parties in Remuera or Fendalton
  – support union moves to remove accountability for poor performance
  – do nothing as productivity plummets
  – do nothing as the cost-benefit equation for employers tips alarmingly towards a place where you need to walk away from huge historical capital investments to offshore to break even
  – support the unions when they stubbornly refuse to even consider accountability or productivity improving measures
  – cry ‘foul’ when a company has no alternative but to shut down a factory and make hundreds of families poor again
  – say ‘let’s talk’ after steadfastedly refusing to entertain any rational discussion about ways to keep the business profitable
  – threaten the victims (the employers who have been left with no alternative but to close the facility).
  
  Yes – totally fit to govern aren’t you Labour!
  
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  March 12, 2017 10:03am
  - Viking2
    
    Except that i this case the factory makes a reasonable profit but the company thinks it can make more by transferring the production overseas. Just like Nestle did with Milo and that’s stuffed and Sanitarium did with Marmite.
    
    Milo was one of NZ’s top brands. Their management decided that didn’t really matter and produced a product no one wanted to buy. It still sits on the shelves and they have begun advertising it again. Value of brand loss? in the many millions and no doubt the CEO got a fucking bonus which tells you plenty about the directors.
    
    Same will happen to Cadbury’s. But they were cunning enough to make sure all their stocks for Easter were out in the stores. Hopefully they will have to raffle them all off after Easter.
    
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    March 12, 2017 11:31am
    - waikatogirl
      
      I haven’t bought any more Milo since that they changed the taste. I stopped buying Cadbury after the palm oil debacle. I’m guessing a lot of others abandoned their cadbury fix due to these changes for the much superior NZ made Whittakers which is gorgeous choccy!
      
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      March 12, 2017 11:49am
      - mikenmild
        
        Porirua’s finest. Always buy Whittaker’s.
        
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        March 12, 2017 11:52am
      - GazzaW
        
        I seem to recall that Cadbury sequelled the palm oil exercise with a cunningly designed reduction in the size/weight of chocolate bars which did not exactly enhance their image. In the meantime Whittakers’ fine product backed by some very smart marketing has become an iconic Kiwi product. The only outstanding achievement by Cadbury over the last few years has been the total ineptness of their PR.
        
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        March 12, 2017 1:17pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Why doesn’t Labour buy the factory for the workers?
  
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  March 12, 2017 10:07am
  - cmm
    
    As a high flying chip fryer driver and soon-to-be-PM I’m sure Jacinda could run a chocy factory with her eyes closed.
    
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    March 12, 2017 5:29pm
- niggly
  
  The best thing that “rick pricks” like Claire Curran (and other labour MP’s and Union officials earning 2-3 times the average workers wage) can do to save the jobs of the Cadbury workers is to buy their product!
  
  And not 1 block at a time, how about 50 at a time (50x $3.50 = $175 = easily affordable by Claire and co), keep a few bars for themselves and donate the rest to eg food banks, or to union members).
  
  Then instead of running campaigns against Cadbury (therefore endangering the remaining worker’s jobs) how about a campaign encouraging the public to buy more Cadbury product (for those that can afford to but a couple or few extra bars) and again with their networks set up collection bins at supermarkets for people to drop any unneeded bars into boxes that can be redistributed to those that can least afford them (or for school kids fundraising)?
  
  Sheesh why are we meant to do the thinking for the likes of Claire – can’t she think outside the square herself, rather than resort to “attacks”?
  
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  March 12, 2017 10:12am
  - ross411
    
    Ugh. Imagine having to eat that vegetable fat-based chocolate light product. And is giving it to food banks really an act to be heralded?
    
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    March 12, 2017 11:12am
    - niggly
      
      Heh good point, but yeah why not as it will still be appreciated (and throw in boxes of Coca-Cola – bonus)! Also, the SJW’s will be conflicted – do they support that or banish that! 😉
      
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      March 12, 2017 11:34am
- Longknives
  
  I though the Loopy Left wanted to ban the evils of Chocolate and Sugary Treats anyway?? ‘Plain Packaging’ etc etc
  Can’t have it both ways you freaking morons..
  
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  March 12, 2017 1:21pm
Paulus

I see Angry was talking about Tax yesterday.
Assume as its is only three letters he would know how to spell it.
Grunty is supposed to be the Union Labour Tax king but he has now been blindsided by the pretty one. He will not be happy – he is done for.
After all the product of people’s earnings are for spending on socialist Union approved concepts.
Look forward to the debates on Tax with Bill English who actually does know what it is.
Will Angry take the pretty one with him wherever he goes now ? – actually she is better looking than angry but that is not difficult.
Whether the two brains will achieve anything we wait to see, but not off to a great start.
Tax and Angry do not gel well anyway.
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March 12, 2017 8:11am
- reid3
  
  On tax, does anyone know what the rate would need to be if they eliminated all personal income tax and whacked the whole lot onto GST?
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:07am
  - CrazyIvan
    
    This site has a breakdown of tax revenue.
    
    http://www.ird.govt.nz/aboutir/external-stats/revenue-refunds/revenue-collected/revenue-collected.html
    
    It appears that revenue from ‘Source Deductions’ (PAYE and Super etc) was $27.5bn. Total GST revenue was $16bn. A ”very’ rough Sunday morning calculation seems that you’d at least need to double, if not triple GST to get similar revenue.
    
    Of course, it would have to be even higher as such a rate for goods and services would cripple demand, leading to a shortfall in revenue.
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:43am
    - reid3
      
      such a rate for goods and services would cripple demand
      
      not if no-one had to pay income tax anymore. That would immediately lift incomes by tens of thousands in every single case, even for beneficiaries.
      
      GST is non-inflationary is the advantage, once the rise works itself out, it adjusts to the economy, when its good the money rolls in, when its not, politicians are forced to become creative, and that’s a good thing.
      
      Compliance is also automatic, the existing mechanisms take care of everything, and it’s hard to avoid, You could almost entirely eliminate the IRD and half the Treasury staff. Also a good thing.
      
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      March 12, 2017 1:47pm
      - ztev
        
        Its too easy to get around GST by making them ‘financial transactions’
        A deposit on a home….. thats the old way, its called an option now .
        Buying a farm …dont be silly , you are buying shares in company that owns the farm.
        of course the smart money people will be/are now all over this.
        I remember a real estate agent in the late 80s, saying his commission was in shares not cash.
        
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        March 12, 2017 3:42pm
      - reid3
        
        Yeah you might have to review the rules round zero rating and exempt transactions if you went that way but the bulk of transactions are low value consumer spending not large purchases and you can audit the large value ones which means you’d be able to retain some of the IRD staff and that should make the PSA happy.
        
        I didn’t mention it but I’d also keep corporate income tax. A tobin tax is something I’d look at too, but as you know that’s problematic if you only implement it domestically.
        
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        March 12, 2017 4:20pm
- sooty
  
  Course he will, it’s the Dog and Pony Traveling Sideshow!
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:20am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Its the Angry and Airhead tag team.
    What could possibly go wrong?
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:36am
    - RF
      
      Years ago my sister had a blow up doll that she could attach to her upper arm by squeezing the dolls arms around it. She used to walk around with it hanging on her arm.
      
      I think it was called a Cupie Doll.
      
      I can just picture Angry walking around with Airhead attached to his upper arm.
      
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      March 12, 2017 10:43am
      - Northland Wahine
        
        Angry dude reminds me of a half inflated blow up stickman himself, that manages only to keep a semblance of upright due to a passing breeze.
        
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        March 12, 2017 10:50am
- oldpark
  
  Liebour/Green joined at the hip will bring in” dead Granny inheritance tax”. Angry Andy Little will say Liebour will not increase tax,but waste of space so called “green party” will oblige and save his kipper face. A two faced bastard with no guts. Of course they have to win in September 23 2017,to pollute the nation with massive tax increases.
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:57am
William of Ockham

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/mar/10/earths-oceans-are-warming-13-faster-than-thought-and-accelerating John Abraham. Friday 10 March 2017

[Summary] New research has quantified how much Earth has warmed over the past 56 years. Human activities utilize fossil fuels for many beneficial purposes but have undesirable side effect of adding CO2 to the atmosphere. That increase – 40%, with most since 1980 – traps heat in Earth system, warming the entire planet.

At any time the direct effect of this blanket is small, but the accumulated effects are huge and have consequences for our weather and climate. Over 90% of the extra heat ends up in the ocean and hence perhaps the most important measurements of global warming are made in the oceans.

[3500] Argo floats are spread out across oceans where they rise and fall in the ocean waters collecting temperature data to 2000m. When they rise to the ocean surface, they send their data to satellites. Hence we can now map the ocean heat content quite well.

But what about the past? Putting data from these various sensors together has been a struggle and has been a major impediment to an accurate quantification of the ocean’s temperature history … paper in Science Advances [today] uses a new strategy

First, we corrected past data for known biases in measurements. Second, we related the temperature measurements to results calculated from advanced climate computer models. Third, we applied temperature knowledge to larger areas so that a single measurement was representative of a large space around the measurement site. Finally, we used their knowledge of recent and well-observed temperatures to show that the method produced excellent results.

“This study shows that more heat is likely to have been absorbed by the oceans over the past 50 years than had previously been reported. With upward revisions in our estimates of the climate’s sensitivity to greenhouse gases and the associated resultant sea level rise.”

“We know the oceans are much warmer now and they contain the memory of climate change. Higher sea surface temperatures are continually reinforced by the extra heat beneath the ocean surface. The oceans are affecting weather and climate through more intense rains. This process is a major reason why 2016 was the hottest year ever recorded at the Earth’s surface, beating out 2015 which was the previous record. Additionally 2015 was a year with record hurricanes, heat waves, droughts, and wild-fires around the world.”

The knowledge about how the ocean has warmed, and how the warmth has spread in depth and over the different oceans is consistent with theory and models, and grounds the theories of human-induced climate change. The memory of past warming is in the oceans, and even though there are weather events that alter the details daily, the atmosphere above the oceans is warmer and moister than it used to be.

It is these changes that affect storms, such as the deluges that have recently affected …
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March 12, 2017 8:11am
- kowtow
  
  Much of the flat land around the world that we build and farm on was created by huge deluges, then we put stop banks up thinking mother nature respects our attempts to tame her and then think there’s some problem when the banks are over topped.
  
  It’s all natural .
  
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  March 12, 2017 8:18am
  - Lance
    
    Yes
    And seaside cliffs were once rolling hills.
    Then shock horror, the cliff falls into the sea due to wave action and the house built for the stunning views is buggered.
    Tears a plenty
    
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    March 12, 2017 8:30am
    - Northland Wahine
      
      Something my mum said to that made a lot of sense. People are greedy for that million dollar view. They think they own that view. They forget that view was there before they built their house, and will continue to be there once they are gone…
      
      She actually has moments of wisdom, dear ole mum.
      
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      March 12, 2017 8:39am
      - reid3
        
        I wonder why they don’t sell one-way plastic sheets with million dollar views on them which you could put on your windows so you had a million dollar view even if your window was inches away from a brick wall?
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:11am
      - PhilBest
        
        Technology now would enable an imitation window on a blank wall, that is a TV monitor able to be switched between a wide range of choices of scenes, all appearing “live”.
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:24am
      - reid3
        
        Yeah that’s why Bill Gates bought the digital rights to all the old masters, so his house which has those panels could display them according to the tastes of the person currently in the room. Along with adjusting the air con and the music in the same way.
        
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        March 12, 2017 12:07pm
  - pdm
    
    `It’s all natural .’
    
    Kowtow – You nailed it right there.
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:21am
- G152
  
  Oh dear it’s wwhether time (for them as are interested that’s a bad spell of weather)…
  And if the drains aren’t up to it we get (shock horror and a shudder) floods..
  
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  March 12, 2017 8:35am
- mandk
  
  “First, we corrected past data for known biases in measurements. Second, we related the temperature measurements to results calculated from advanced climate computer models. Third, we applied temperature knowledge to larger areas so that a single measurement was representative of a large space around the measurement site. Finally, we used their knowledge of recent and well-observed temperatures to show that the method produced excellent results.”
  
  Translation:
  First we massaged the data.
  Then we extrapolated it.
  Then we adjusted it.
  Then we extrapolated it again.
  And, hey presto …
  
  On the same basis, Lincoln City just beat Arsenal in the FA Cup quarter final.
  
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  March 12, 2017 8:50am
  - PhilBest
    
    You forgot one phase, it comes before your first one.
    
    First we cherry-picked the data….
    
    Then we massaged it, etc
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:25am
    - cmm
      
      Back up one phase still…
      
      First you look at what research is getting all the funding…
      
      then everything else.
      
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      March 12, 2017 5:32pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    lol
    
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    March 12, 2017 10:06am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Three posts in, two of them from the same comtribur and the GD is into serious scroll wheel damage territory, sigh
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:03am
- holysheet
  
  The village idiot must be pissed to be relegated off the top post spot today.
  There is still hope for the rest of us.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:05am
Manolo

Was it our own stephieboy, badly affected by TDS? 😀
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/11/politics/man-breeches-white-house/index.html

A man carrying a backpack was arrested Friday night after breaching security at the White House complex and was discovered by a Secret Service officer by the south entrance to the executive residence, officials said.

The incident happened just before midnight while President Donald Trump was at the White House.
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March 12, 2017 8:17am
- Lance
  
  Bloody Hell!
  Donald was actually at the White House for a change and not golfing down south?
  
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  March 12, 2017 8:19am
  - dime
    
    Um wrong president dude
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:56am
    - Lance
      
      No dime
      That’s my point
      There was plenty of criticism for Obama playing golf. Fair comment
      But the Don has played at least 9 golf rounds since he has become present but somehow that is OK?
      http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/323540-trump-makes-ninth-golf-course-visit-in-seven-weeks-in-office
      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/saturday-president-trump-golfing-article-1.2995302
      http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/20/politics/donald-trump-golfing-presidency/
      I suspect this will be labelled fake news but there seems to be a lot of people running the story
      
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      March 12, 2017 10:21am
      - All_on_Red
        
        It’s good exercise for the old fella. I hardly see him as a gym type of guy.
        Don’t you want him to last eight years?
        ?
        
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        March 12, 2017 11:15am
      - ross411
        
        Given they believe he is hitler and incompetent, and a fascist woman/handicapped hater etc etc, surely it’s better he be spending time at the gold course than taking away the vote from women, or the right to life from handicapped babies, or whatever the hysterical think he is planning to do.
        
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        March 12, 2017 11:15am
      - Viking2
        
        I see Lydia would like to play golf with him. Good girl.
        
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        March 12, 2017 11:36am
      - Lance
        
        So every time Obama played golf it was proof he was an EVIL BASTARD.
        But the Don playing golf is a good thing?
        
        I’m only after consistency here.
        
        The lefts shocking hypocrisy irritates me, so I expect less hypocrisy from right (centre right). Just a dreamer I guess.
        
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        March 12, 2017 12:57pm
      - Nev.
        
        Lance if you had any clue at all about golf you would know you need to play at least once a week if you are serious about it. Like any sport it requires commitment.
        
        And golf in the political world is often a time to catch up with other world leaders.
        
        Hence Keys many games with Obama.
        Nev.
        
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        March 12, 2017 2:25pm
      - Lance
        
        Hullo Nev
        Did you read anything I wrote?
        
        No problem with golf or the need to play it
        
        However Obama was criticized for playing golf
        But it’s OK when Don plays golf
        
        This is hypocrisy
        
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        March 12, 2017 3:25pm
Manolo

An Obama minion refuses to go:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/11/us/politics/preet-bharara-us-attorney.html?_r=0

Preet Bharara, the Manhattan federal prosecutor who was told to submit his resignation along with 45 others on Friday, has no plans to do so — forcing a potential showdown with President Trump and the Department of Justice.

He was one of the 46 holdovers from the Obama administration who abruptly received a call on Friday telling him to vacate.
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March 12, 2017 8:23am
- reid3
  
  “I did not resign. Moments ago I was fired. Being the US Attorney in SDNY will forever be the greatest honor of my professional life,” Mr. Bharara wrote on his personal Twitter feed, which he set up in the last two weeks.
  
  What’s the bet the traitorous former POTUS and the treasonous media are looking to spark a disobedience campaign that spreads to all Obongo appointees. Who suggested to him that he setup a twitter account? A message management advisor from the Purple Revolution?
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:24am
- All_on_Red
  
  When he said that, they just fired him.
  Both Bush (07) and Clinton (93) fired them all too.
  They’re Political appointees.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:26am
  - Komata
    
    This is one ‘oddity’ of the US (and to a lesser extent Canadian) political systems, in that ‘senior white collar appointees’ are politically appointed. The British had a far better system; They’re called ‘Civil Servants’ and continue to hold positions irrespective of what happens politically. This system (used throughout most of the former Empire counties) tends to make for continuity and ‘calmness’ unlike the US systems.
    
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    March 12, 2017 10:13am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      But is that a bad thing? That is how bureaucracies become entrenched, develop political favoritism, and cannot be got rid of.
      There may be a few drawbacks with the US system, but it doesn’t get stuck with embedded biases.
      
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      March 12, 2017 11:55am
cmm

Twenty Million people starving in North Africa.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/90328423/un-says-world-faces-largest-humanitarian-crisis-since-1945

I’m sure the Saudis will put their wealth to use helping fellow Muslims (mainly) in their part of the world. Prince Al Waleed has a few private 747-size jets on call he could press into service.

Naah. Fuck it. Leave it to the Europeans to sort it out.
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March 12, 2017 8:25am
- kowtow
  
  Al Waleed can use that 747 to ferry them in style to Germany . It looks as if the Loony Left there wants more of them.
  
  “But the “safe countries” plan was rejected by the leftist Greens and Linke parties, which had voiced concerns over the rights records of those countries, including on the treatment of homosexuals.”
  
  https://www.thelocal.de/20170311/german-mps-reject-declaring-nafrican-states-safe
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:12am
  - PhilBest
    
    What do the leftist Greens and Linke parties think will happen to homos anyway in the new multi-culti, immigrant-swamped Germany?
    
    DUH!!!!!!
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:30am
- All_on_Red
  
  The Sauds are burning through their cash reserves.
  Some of them might have to actually do some work soon as inevitably the generous entitlements are going to have to be scaled back.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:29am
  - PhilBest
    
    If they’ve got a plan for the post-oil era, it seems to be limited to uber-rich individuals and consist of property in London, Paris etc. Saudi Arabia certainly ain’t Norway.
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:33am
  - cmm
    
    The Saudi royals are sweet for the next 500 years. They really don’t care about the rest.
    
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    March 12, 2017 5:34pm
- Longknives
  
  Africa has made it quite clear they detest the European ‘Colonial’ Powers and do not want their help with anything.
  *Except when the money/food runs out seemingly..
  
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  March 12, 2017 1:24pm
  - Kimbo
    
    It works the other way too. European farmers who think the world owes them a living are protected from free trade – including agricultural products from Africa – by EC bureaucrats.
    
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    March 12, 2017 1:26pm
Happychappy

Why would you take any notice of a poll done nearly seven months ago by UMR called the NZ Home owners who hate high House Prices. The poll revealed by Phil Twyford and is Published on Stuff was done in September and 89% of renters say their is a housing crisis with 79% of home owners agreeing,the home owners in Auckland also said they would prefer house prices to drop but not fall but not by much. Seven months is along time to wait before you release data so haven’t the latest polls agreed with the result achieved here and Labour has decided to release it now before new information decide this data is no longer relevant.
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March 12, 2017 8:26am
duggledog

cmm

The West is slowly turning away from unfixable problems in third world shit holes. Why?

Maybe it’s Poverty Fatigue – Exhibit A:

‘Real Poverty’ in PNG – this editorial in the NZ Herald asks you to read, weep, donate:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11811525

It’s an opinion piece so, name and address withheld.

But I’m confused. If they are saying ‘real poverty’ then what does that say about the poverty the Herald continues to decry and bemoan and point out at every opportunity in New Zealand?

Is ours not real? Kind of real? Relative? I believe the PNG people would trade their squalor for ours in an instant. Perhaps we need to find a new word, because Poverty TM has clearly lost its bite

Boy, for a business that revolves around the written word they certainly are shit at it.
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March 12, 2017 8:35am
- Happychappy
  
  It just proves that the media will lie and distort facts to achieve the outcome they desire.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:04am
- cmm
  
  I lived in Africa for 30 years. What people call “poverty” in NZ is better off than 90% of the world’s population.
  
  I remember a few years ago some Kiwis sending a family picture taken in front of their garage to their charity “foster family” in PNG. The foster family wrote back saying how wonderful their house looked.
  
  What we consider a sub-average garage, most people in the world would love as a house.
  
  Many of the world’s problems are fixable, but not by blaming and guilting the whites into fixing them. Telling people that everything is the whites’ fault is telling them that only the whites can fix the problem.
  
  Africa is screwed for as long as it depends on whites to sort out the mess. Sure, Africans themselves cannot sort out the mess in the short term, but, maybe in a few generations, they will be able to learn how to sort the mess out themselves.
  
  Some countries like Mozambique and Nigeria have hit rock bottom in their post-colonial free-falls and are now figuring out that they can learn from the West and are actively trying to figure out their future.
  
  Others like South Africa and Zimbabwe are still blaming the whites for everything and are still a long way from hitting the bottom.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:04am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Yes. What South Africa was to be post the formation of a black government. It is heading to be a Class A classic shit hole with a future like Rhodesia
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:12am
    - reid3
      
      A few weeks ago Zumba announced they would be seizing land without compensation, just like Zim.
      
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      March 12, 2017 9:27am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        And that is going really well, not
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:29am
      - reid3
        
        Yes it’s quite hard to run a govt well when you have Cabinet Ministers that sign papers with “x”
        
        True story.
        
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        March 12, 2017 12:11pm
      - cmm
        
        Let the starvation begin…
        
        A generation ago Zimbabwe was “the food basket of Africa”. Now it is a nett importer of food.
        
        South Africa is well on the way to hunger too.
        
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        March 12, 2017 1:06pm
    - cmm
      
      Zambia used to be called Northern Rhodesia.
      
      South Africa is fast becoming Southern Zimbabwe.
      
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      March 12, 2017 12:30pm
  - Happychappy
    
    On Saturday after Andrew Little had said thatLabour would pour resources into fixing our Child Poverty situation in NZ TV Three put the article on their website with a image at the bottom of it with a child’s feet with Holes in the socks that the image was wearing. If this is a part of poverty then my Grand Children that get every thing that is of educational value like laptops, play station, new clothes and shoe for the school year and also all the sorts gear and fees if they want to partake in are also in the poverty bracket as i am always complaining about the holes in their socks and have also purchased new pair for them to wear, but they persist in wearing the old ones like most other children.
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:30am
- PhilBest
  
  It is not PC to say so, but an alternative course of history could have seen NZ as just a bigger PNG further south.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:10am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Just waiting for Hone’s (or the like) hand to be on the tiller and that will be the reality
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:14am
  - cmm
    
    Quite.
    
    NZ is basically [insert Pacific Island of your choice] + white people.
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:32pm
  - cmm
    
    Screw being PC.
    
    PC kills people by preventing the real issues being talked about.
    
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    March 12, 2017 1:07pm
    - Kimbo
      
      OK.
      
      On the matter of comparing PNG to other Pacific Islands it is a poor comparison – like comparing Britain with, say, the Balkans. Just because they have the same skin colour and are in the same region doesn’t mean they are politically and socially the same. I base that on the assessment of a Polynesian friend who went to work in PNG, thinking he was going to find the local Melanesian people there would be similar in culture and outlook to his own…and was very quickly disabused of that notion.
      
      Despite shared similarities (which Europeans and/or Asians and/or Africans also have with one another) the indigenous people of the Pacific are diverse, Melanesian, Micronesian and Polynesian. Despite the transformative effects of Christianity even Polynesians have different histories and interactions with colonialism – Maori became a minority in their own land, Tonga was never colonised, (non-American) Samoa pressed for full independence, whereas the Cook Islands have been happy with a pragmatic half-way house, and due to French political attitudes Tahitian independence is muted. Oh, yes, and Melanesian Fijians share their nation with Indians.
      
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      March 12, 2017 1:17pm
duggledog

Actually reading that article cmm linked to you really do wonder at the sense of the UN.

O’Brien simply asks for more funds – huge funds – to alleviate the crisis.

Then what? An even bigger crisis in a few years when the newly nourished millions squirt out a few more million?

The only answer is re-colonisation, and a lining up of all the gunmen and warlords in these barbaric countries, with the express purpose of putting them down like the dogs they are. Which the UN will never do.
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March 12, 2017 8:43am
- cmm
  
  “The only answer is re-colonisation,”
  
  No. That’s like saying the only way to fix a failed government program is to make another even more ridiculous government program.
  
  The only way to really fix Africa is to let them hit bottom and then fix it themselves.
  
  Look at South Africa (or Zimbabwe, or Kenya, or…). Whites set up a fantastic infrastructure, then got kicked out and the place collapses.
  
  They need to learn to do it for themselves. That will take generations, but it can happen.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:10am
  - kowtow
    
    Before Africa hits rock bottom ,they’ll have all moved to Europe turning a once great culture into another third world. Courtesy of out human rights loving pollies of course.
    
    Migration and survival of the fittest.
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:19am
    - PhilBest
      
      Maybe European conservatives and libertarians should then migrate to parts of the Terra Nullius that the Africans left behind, and build some more new worlds….
      
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      March 12, 2017 9:36am
  - CrazyIvan
    
    Agree – there are signs of grassroots improvements. I read that Africa has the highest uptake of mobile technology in the world, as users are bypassing landlines and hard technology, for digital.
    
    The real issue if one of realism about the timing. It took Europe a thousand years to go from the dark ages, to democracy, the Renaissance and the modern world. Africa can’t do all that in 50 years, when you don’t have a developed civil society. It will take time, and people will suffer, but Africa can develop.
    
    They do have to do it themselves – aid won’t fix the problem (as its aimed at alleviating symptoms, rather than creating a stable solution.
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:49am
  - Komata
    
    cmm
    
    And then there is China… ‘Colonisation’ does not necessarily need guns and wars. There are other ways and means, and the Chinese have observed, noted and developed their own variations on the ‘colonisation’ / occupation/ control theme and are very, very good at applying them. Call it ‘peaceful / quiet’ colonisation if you will, and all that is required is a compliant dictator, some large-ish amounts of money and an arrangement whereby a strip of the ‘host country’ is declared to be Chinese sovereign territory. The declaration means that the ‘locals’ are not allowed in and the inhabitants of ‘little China’ are not allowed out! The rest is easy. ‘Loans’ are given to the nation being ‘invaded’ , and allowed to become overdue before being called-in. This provides a degree of ‘leverage’ which can be profitably used to ‘influence’ things, while should the hitherto-compliant dictator become too demanding, he will be replaced. Rinse and repeat. The previously-noted ‘sovereignty’ means that Chinese workers (slaves?) are imported with no documentation or financial independence and after they are worn-out by working in the (invariably extractive) industry for which they have been imported, are expatriated back to China with no questions being asked and an uncertain future. Should the workers try to leave and become ‘refugees’ they are returned to ‘Sovereign Chinese Territory’ and vanish..!! Such is the way of Chinese ‘quiet colonisation’. It is happening in Africa (Zim’ is a classic example although there are others), throughout the Pacific and, should anybody doubt that a similar pattern is happening in New Zild, I would suggest two words ‘Crafar Farms’… As I said, colonisation does not always involve guns, and when it is remembered that every Chinese immigrant is here at the behest and the blessing of the CCP, then things tend to become somewhat interesting…
    
    Anyone learning Mandarin at the moment? It could be useful.
    
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    March 12, 2017 5:26pm
jcuk

If the Fishing Industry got its A into G and utilised all that was caught instead of dumping, wasting and poluting the sea, fish stocks would be better managed. Surely the industry can use fish the consumer doesn’t want to buy in ‘non identified’ uses like cat/dog food, fish cakes and so on.
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March 12, 2017 8:46am
- ross411
  
  I’d worry much much more about the plastics in the ocean, than waste fish.
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:24am
  - jcuk
    
    Two wrongs do not make a right. I agree junk plastic is a worry while dumped fish will decompose one hopes rather quicker. It is still a bad waste of human effort to catch and dump rather than catch less and preserve stocks making future catching easier.
    
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    March 13, 2017 10:29am
Dave Mann

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
America is a deeply fucked society. Trump has fired a federal prosecutor in NY, along with 45 other other legal executives nationwide (no detailed descriptions in this article).

Does this country have no respect for the law or the independence of the judiciary? Apparently this is normal behaviour in the USA for presidents, as the guy in the article was himself appointed by Obama….

What a terribly twisted system the Americans have; and they have the gall to call themselves the leaders of the free world? Thank goodness we don’t have anything like that here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/11/us/politics/preet-bharara-us-attorney.html?_r=0
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March 12, 2017 9:03am
- Happychappy
  
  Be fair with the leaks coming out of the White House like a leaking sewer why wouldn’t you use the same tool that Obama and those before him used.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:08am
- mikenmild
  
  Actually, on this issue Trump is not doing anything much different from other presidents.
  And, the US Attorneys are not part of the judiciary.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:08am
  - Kimbo
    
    Richard Nixon in-effect fired two US Attorney Generals in one day and would have kept on going until he reached the lowliest janitor in the DoJ if 3-i-c Robert Bork hadn’t decided there was no point resisting the POTUS’ order to fire Special Watergate Prosecutor, and Kennedy partisan, Archibald Cox.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre
    
    Oh, yeah, and Nixon was juggling the Yom Kippur War and the resignation of his vice-President, Spiro Agnew, for corruption at the same time. And they say things are chaotic with Trump! 😉
    
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    March 12, 2017 11:48am
    - Kimbo
      
      Oh, and I see you referenced the “Saturday Night Massacre” earlier below…
      
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      March 12, 2017 12:05pm
- holysheet
  
  Didn’t obumma do exactly the same thing? I must have missed the squeals of outrage from the snowflakes and MSM at the time.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:11am
  - ztev
    
    No it wasnt Obama who did the same thing, it was Bill Clinton who fired all 93 Federal prosecutors when he became President
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:30am
- calendar girl
  
  Dave, tell us whom you think should be regarded as “the leaders of the free world”.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:14am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Umm… Tibet? Iceland? Zimbabwe? I don’t know. Please enlighten me 😀
    
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    March 12, 2017 10:10am
    - calendar girl
      
      Personally, I look to the US as the most qualified (not perfect!) leader of the free world. Because of the power of its economy and its military, plus its adherence to a sound constitution. I’m relieved that the USA and NZ are ‘in the same team’ in general terms, while each of our two countries has the freedom to determine its own destinies.
      
      Your references to “Tibet? Iceland? Zimbabwe?” are specious, no doubt intended to be. But in your trenchant criticism (hatred even?) of the USA @ 9:03am you seemed to be scornful of anything related to that country.
      
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      March 12, 2017 10:33am
      - Dave Mann
        
        How would you like it if every important public prosecutor and head of department was in danger of losing their job after every election in NZ then? Would you think that’s a good way to run a country?
        
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        March 12, 2017 2:52pm
      - realityczech
        
        “its adherence to a sound constitution”
        
        None of which applies to the countries they are invading, Gitmo etc. The modern USA is defender of zionism and its self. Nothing more.
        
        There are potentially much worse super powers, but that does not make the US wrongs into rights.
        
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        March 12, 2017 2:59pm
  - cmm
    
    whom you think should be regarded as “the leaders of the free world”?
    
    How about nobody.
    
    People need to find their own way. Forcing stuff onto people does not work.
    
    For “leaders of the free world” the USA have been doing their damnedest to turn the world into anything but free.
    
    Iraq was a progressive state (women going to university, etc) until USA decided to return them to the stone age.
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:38pm
- PhilBest
  
  At least their system is honest enough to, at the executive level (which the Attorneys are part of) not pretend to being non-partisan.
  
  Our system, and the Poms, and much of the rest of the west, has bureaucracies and institutions that are theoretically non-partisan, but have become bastions of “progressive” Left thinking.
  
  It would be preferable to just have cleanouts and ideological to-and-fro-ing every few years so at least everyone knows where they stand, and there aren’t false and dangerous illusions.
  
  Daniel Hannan’s book, “The New Road to Serfdom: A Warning to America”, points out quite a few things that are a unique advantage to the Americans, in their approach, but which they are in danger of taking for granted.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:16am
  - Kimbo
    
    …quite a few things that are a unique advantage to the Americans, in their approach…
    
    Um, like we actually voted for legislators who passed abortion laws in 1977…whereas the US didn’t…but they still have SCOTUS-mandated abortion because they found it in an amendment to their constitution guaranteeing privacy?! Irrespective of where you stand on the abortion issue, that is a bullshit legislative process and result – and no wonder the issue is still so politically divisive in the US, like other shibboleths such as gun control, and health care. Their country and good luck to ’em and they can run it however they want, but spare us the implication that the US constitution is is so superior to the Westminster system” line, as it is akin to the tablets delivered to Moses on Mt Sinai.
    
    In practice, it is shared culture, not that makes the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand so similar. I’ve read alarmist Americans write about the “the lack of checks and balances” on a Prime Minister or Parliamentary cabinet as if they are potential Nazis waiting to stage a putsch. As if a written constitution will protect you from a coup d’état, or that the Night of the Longknives that has been the recurring history of Westminster government for the past 200 years
    
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    March 12, 2017 11:58am
- Inandout
  
  I suggest you don’t use the NY Times as your source of balanced news on Trump. What he is doing is standard practice for incoming Presidents and he badly needs officials on his side, rather than Obama moles. I don’t think even Trump knows exactly how widespread Obamamoles are, being cleverly embedded in just about every government department. Fortunately the US now has a President who is not afraid of using a scalpel, and in reality ruthlessness is the only course he has left.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:19am
  - MCos
    
    “I don’t think even Trump knows exactly how widespread Obamamoles are”, but you do!
    Amazing!
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:55am
    - Inandout
      
      Your understanding of English grammar is flawed.
      
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      March 12, 2017 10:00am
- Dave Mann
  
  Yes thank you…. I know this happens under every president and I acknowledged this in my comment. My point is that the law is the law and it shouldn’t be the prerogative of the President to twist it to his own ends. These people should be prosecuting criminals under the LAW, not acting as the current president sees fit.
  
  And yes the article was in the NYT. Grow up, FFS.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:31am
  - mikenmild
    
    It’s a fundamental difference from our Westminster-style system in that senior public service appointments (including prosecutors) are political appointees. That has strengths and weaknesses. Depending on your point of view, it was either a good or a bad thing when G W Bush fired a bunch of prosecutors mid-term when they failed to find (imaginary) cases of voter fraud.
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:37am
    - MCos
      
      Didn’t Nixon sack a string of people until he got to one who did what he wanted over the Watergate business?
      
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      March 12, 2017 9:59am
      - mikenmild
        
        The Saturday Night Massacre. Nixon’s Attorney General and Deputy resigned rather than fire the Watergate special prosecutor.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre
        
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        March 12, 2017 10:05am
      - MCos
        
        Those were the days!
        I recently read the autobiography of Katherine Graham who owned the Washington Post at the time. Absolutely fascinating.
        Nixon took on the press and the press won, because he was a crook.
        
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        March 12, 2017 10:16am
      - Kimbo
        
        Nixon took on the press and the press won, because he was a crook
        
        Maybe. maybe not. But his political and media management skills were deficient.
        
        I recently read the autobiography of Katherine Graham who owned the Washington Post at the time. Absolutely fascinating
        
        He he he. “Katie Graham’s gonna get her tit caught in a big fat wringer if that’s published.” (Then-US Attorney General John Mitchell to the Washington Post’s Carl Bernstein when asked to comment on the upcoming revelation that Mitchell had approved the dispersal of funds from the Committee to re-Elect the President (Nixon) for various anti-Democrat campaign activities, aka “rat-fucking”, including the money that had been found on the Watergate burglars).
        
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        March 12, 2017 12:12pm
  - PhilBest
    
    “Prosecuting criminals” includes calling witnesses, finding and admitting evidence, etc.
    
    Before you can be sure that the law is going to be applied to the criminal, you have to have prosecutors who want the witnesses and the evidence to be found and used.
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:45am
    - MCos
      
      Cut both ways.
      If you want a prosecution stopped in its tracks . . . . .
      
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      March 12, 2017 2:10pm
ztev

West Australia Liberals smashed in the state election.
Huge swing to labour with a win of 40 seats. Much greater than polls predicted
Rat cunning preference deal between One nation and Liberals backfired for them both.

This is the bell that tolls for Turnbull, like the losses in Queensland and Victoria were for Abbott
http://www.smh.com.au/wa-news/wa-election-2017/politics-is-a-harsh-and-brutal-business-colin-barnett-concedes-20170311-guw5jp.html
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March 12, 2017 9:16am
- PhilBest
  
  It’s the bell that tolls for Australia, mate! They’re stuffed. So are we. Both mainstream political parties mired in political correctness, and do-nothings in the face of an increasingly Ponzi economy based on an insane urban property bubble. Caused in the first place by lack of spine from the “centre right”, to confront eco-fundamentalist sabotage of urban planning departments.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:21am
- Inandout
  
  So West Aussie bucks the worldwide trend against socialism, not a sensible move but it shows just how chaotic politics are in the lucky country.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:24am
  - ztev
    
    Thats because its not socialism. Time to replace your 1950s glasses.
    back in 1938 in NZ the Dominion was railing against the socialists and how voting for labour might be the last vote you ever get.
    labour won.
    
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    March 12, 2017 10:28am
mikenmild

Nice to see a priest with a sense of humour:
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/03/10/priest-who-dressed-up-as-hugh-hefner-and-simulated-sex-with-male-playboy-bunnies-begs-forgiveness/
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March 12, 2017 9:26am
Scorpion

Trevor Loudon
http://www.trevorloudon.com/

One of the Greatest Political Activists New Zealand
has seen.

You must Read His Book(s) and His Movie.

If NZ is to survive what is coming.

http://www.trevorloudon.com/

This is a Blatant Plug – but the guy is that
thorough – that hard working and his work

IS BRILLIANT

WAKE UP PEOPLE

YOU ARE BEING LIED TO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMQQDQhipYg

http://www.trevorloudon.com/
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March 12, 2017 9:40am
- mikenmild
  
  Troll plugs fruit loop….
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:46am
  - PhilBest
    
    That’s unfair to Loudon. He is in a totally different league to, say, Alex Jones. If anything, he is a very hard-working amateur archivist, scholar, and collator of on-the-record information. He doesn’t do conspiracy theories or connect dots that aren’t there, like Alex Jones.
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:59am
    - ztev
      
      Loudon is still a nut case.
      
      Maybe Trumps immigrant crackdown will see HIM deported to NZ
      
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      March 12, 2017 10:30am
  - Scorpion
    
    You Can’t Handle the Truth
    
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    March 12, 2017 10:29am
- PhilBest
  
  It is a pity that an endorsement from Scorpion is such a mixed blessing.
  
  Loudon is an amazing, hard-working devotee to the cause of scrutiny of the global “progressive” Left. He seems to have been more appreciated globally and in the US, than here. His work has been global in nature. Anyone from the Left who comes to prominence, Loudon can produce a dossier on them from his massive archives. Doing this for Barack Obama, was what boosted his profile considerably around 9 years ago.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:56am
  - mikenmild
    
    Loudon never saw a bed that didn’t have a red under it.
    
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    March 12, 2017 10:00am
    - Scorpion
      
      Shouldn’t you be down at Tepapa
      Venerating the Leftist Mass Murderer
      Chair man Maos Maori Cloak
      
      Do you pay it annual visits to grovel to the Chinese
      communists soon soon when
      
      WE GIVE YOU COMPLETE CONTROL
      
      WE CAN DO THE SAME HERE
      
      And New Zealand will be part of the Global Communist
      Slave state
      
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      March 12, 2017 10:33am
  - Scorpion
    
    And if you have not endorsed him yet
    on this Forum you are just another Commie
    
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    March 12, 2017 10:31am
- Komata
  
  Scorpion
  
  I note that the video is dated 2015. As things have ‘altered’ somewhat since then and Mr. Trump has arrived, has he done an update?
  
  Thank you.
  
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  March 12, 2017 5:38pm
duggledog

cmm

Kowtow answered for me – the end result of more aid being poured into Africa is going to be vastly larger hordes pouring into Europe in the near future.

Re colonisation is the only way. China’s already doing it in Africa, not many are noticing.
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March 12, 2017 9:47am
- Komata
  
  DD
  
  See my 5.26 pm; you might find it of interest.
  
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  March 12, 2017 5:49pm
holysheet

Coming to a TV screen near you soon.
The triple A club.
Angry, Airhead and Arse reamer.
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March 12, 2017 9:48am
- stigie
  
  Yes, the Wn Fairy has had problems with it’s propellers..?
  
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  March 12, 2017 10:49am
  - Happychappy
    
    stigie / a question on Nelson College for Boys I see their Head Master has create wealth for the College by turning their old boarding house, into accommodation for visiting teams or other function that people attend so is the one that was first upgraded the one down by the main playing field from memory i think it was called Rutherford House. They have had some good headmasters their over time I had Bazz Wakelin in my day.
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:03pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

That thug Erdogan, Putin’s puppet, causing more trouble in Europe:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/11/erdogan-calls-dutch-fascists-row-turkey-netherlands-escalates/
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March 12, 2017 9:49am
- reid3
  
  Who told you Erdogan is Putin’s puppet?
  
  Oh wait, it wasn’t fake news, was it?
  
  It was, wasn’t it.
  
  Aren’t sheeple stooooooooooopid.
  
  Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:23am
Liberty

This will upset Labour/Greens. New Zealand isn’t listed. Because contrary to their demented ranting .
New Zealand doesn’t have real poverty. Yes we have people who live on struggle street.
We don’t have true poverty.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4302236/Slums-stacked-mansions-skyscrapers.html
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March 12, 2017 10:03am
itstricky

Re: snowflake outage over the definition of poverty:

(A) why is it bad for our country to aim higher than absolute poverty?
(B) who says it anyone was guilting just “the whites” cmm? Who said anyone was implying it was only the “the whites” problem and only “the whites” could fix it? Seems a little bit of a complex going on there. When you say “I lived in Africa” – exactly where was that?
(C) looking at the amount of thinly veiled passive aggressiveness of the comments, it is almost as if someone has reached into your back pockets and whipped $20 off you and sent it to PNG. Have they?
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March 12, 2017 10:22am
- reid3
  
  (A) why is it bad for our country to aim higher than absolute poverty?
  
  It’s not but the reason some people have more than others is not because of any of the reasons lefties think, so their solutions to the problem won’t work, they’re a waste of their time and our money.
  
  So what’s the point of embarking on them in the first place until lefties get it right with respect to the actual clear and present root cause?
  
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  March 12, 2017 10:54am
  - reid3
    
    Interesting isn’t it that tricky hasn’t denied the point.
    
    Some lefties know that what they do is a lie. They know that the solutions they propose are not designed to address the problem they are claiming to address but rather to cement in something completely different irrespective of whether or not it actually improves the particular situation they claim to be deploring. Interest-free student loans and putting brothels into suburbia were two examples of that under Hulun.
    
    The lefties that know include most of the Parliamentary wing and some selected and wise lefties in the outer organisations and general community. I’ve always thought tricky fell into the latter category.
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:02pm
    - itstricky
      
      It certainly is interesting that I have a life, and that I don’t have to create myself multiple handles, to side step the rules, just so I can “live” on KB.
      
      Hmmm, you’re more than welcome to debate actual causes and I think you have a point if you wish to do so. But the commentators above weren’t doing that. They were simply stating “isn’t it lovely that we don’t have any Biafrans. The poor people should consider themselves damn well lucky that they get thrown a slice of bread every now and then”
      
      And my response was “perhaps we should be setting our goals higher”
      
      Feel free to comment on what you think our goals should be.
      
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      March 12, 2017 12:46pm
      - reid3
        
        Attitude is the key tricky. As simple and as complicated as that.
        
        Two families living in say, Otahuhu. Parents are all educated to the same low level, and are all factory workers or cleaners, kids go to the same schools.
        
        One set of parents piss away their money, let their kids wag, buy video games. Their kids turn out as p dealers to feed their addiction, the girls get pregnant at 14 and go on the DPB.
        
        The other set on exacly the same income wisely husband their meagre resources, pay close attention to their kids education, go to all the PTA sessions, mum goes on the local school board, they use the library well because they can’t afford to buy books or other resources, they read their kids a nighttime story every single night before they tuck them in, they teach them through example the value of self-discipline, deferral of self-gratification and all of that. Their kids go on to university and use their enhanced income to lift their parents out of Otahuhu and they eventually die comfortably in a rest home paid for by their grateful children.
        
        Only difference throughout, was attitude.
        
        Lefties approach this by pretending the poor are victims, helpless in the face of external circumstance. This denies their own humanity, in reality humans are capable of anything, but if all you ever offer is wrap-around services then learned helplessness will prevail in the very people you are claiming to help.
        
        Which is exactly what we see, isn’t it.
        
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        March 12, 2017 1:02pm
      - itstricky
        
        I don’t fundamentally disagree with your ideas as contributors to a much larger picture. I would argue that some of them are symptoms rather than causes.
        
        But – either way – you’re talking causes again, not goals.
        
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        March 12, 2017 2:43pm
      - reid3
        
        The goal is to implement education that moves people from a victimhood mentality into a ‘I’m a capable person who can move mountains and I’m going to’ mentality.
        
        You’ve got generations of people who do nothing but sit and wait with their hand out for someone else to come along and do the heavy lifting while they do nothing but complain about how long its taken for help to arrive.
        
        The goal is to change those attitudes to the more helpful ones which will get them to eventually help themselves.
        
        One of the first goals is to eliminate wrap around services and anything else in the govt arsenal which inculcates learned helplessness.
        
        To do that, another goal is to get rid of all the social workers, teachers, bureacrats, policy analysts, managers and politicians who think that wrap around services are just the greatest thing since sliced bread and what we need and the only thing we need, is even more of them.
        
        If that means firing them because they can’t change their thinking once the damage they have done to people has been explained to them, then that’s another goal – to fire them and replace with people who actually get human nature and can understand why wrap around mentality is actually poison.
        
        And so on.
        
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        March 12, 2017 2:53pm
      - itstricky
        
        Yes, I think that is one of the causes that needs addressing. I’m not sure that it classes as a goal.
        
        Either way, now that we have a rational goal – how come all we got at 08:30 this morning is -:
        
        – the media are liars
        – poor people are lucky to be alive
        – throw them a crust and they want a loaf
        – the white man did everything of value in this world
        
        ?
        
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        March 12, 2017 6:56pm
      - reid3
        
        You must have been reading someone else tricky, I didn’t say that, not my style, unless I’m joking, which I don’t think I have about this human tragedy, because tolerating human beings living their entire lives hallucinating they’re victims, is a tragedy.
        
        Is why I’m staggered you lefties, claiming as you do the monopoly on caring for human suffering, aren’t already crawling all over it, notwithstanding of course doing so would eventually erode your base, as the “victims” moved up the prosperity ladder.
        
        Perhaps that’s unfair, I know you guys don’t do what you do with that intention. But nevertheless, does that explain the reality we’ve been seeing?
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:12pm
      - itstricky
        
        And nowhere did I say that you had said those things.
        
        For the avoidance of doubt -: I am asking you to comment on your fellow KBers’ comments around 08:30am this morning.
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:22pm
- cmm
  
  tricky.
  
  I really want ALL kiwis to succeed. Unfortunately people do not succeed if they’re just given hand outs. They only succeed by fixing their own lives.
  
  Analogy: You know a very fat bloke. Every day you visit that fat person and tell him it isn’t his fault he’s fat and give him a jumbo pack of chips and a dozen beers. Then you go to the gym and work out.
  
  So how’s that helping the fat bloke? If he wants to get to succeed then he needs to put down the chips and beer and tell you to stop bringing them around. He needs to get off his arse and go to the gym – you can’t do that for him. Sure it’s hard work, but he can’t succeed any other way.
  
  It’s the same with NZ “poverty”. Unless people actually do stuff for themselves they are doomed to stay in “poverty”.
  
  When kids see their parents making progress they learn that they can too. Give it a generation or so and you’ve got rid of “poverty”.
  
  The welfare system was originally intended as a “social safety net”. It is not supposed to be a hammock for life.
  
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  March 12, 2017 12:49pm
  - itstricky
    
    Thanks for your ideas, cmm. I can’t say I disagree with some of them either.
    
    But, like Reid, you seem to have jumped over my original question to your own synopsis of causes and solutions.
    
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    March 12, 2017 2:53pm
    - cmm
      
      tricky
      
      Causes: Welfare state is the cause.
      
      Solution: Bloody hard, but lets stop making the problem worst first.
      
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      March 12, 2017 4:13pm
      - itstricky
        
        Not bothered with my questions, then?
        
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        March 12, 2017 6:53pm
      - GoVege
        
        Welfare state is not the “cause”, cmm.
        The welfare state is a wonderful invention.
        Unfortunately it has become too generous to people who take advantage of it.
        
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        March 12, 2017 11:54pm
- cmm
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/90335592/armed-robbery-at-bishopdale-pub-in-christchurch
  
  Robbery just down the road from me.
  
  Apparently the robber is the victims in this – doing what he has to in hard times…
  
  Nope. Robbers are just pricks who feel they are entitled to take whatever they want from other people.
  
  I wonder how they decided it was a 12-guage shotgun? Shotgun vs rifle is easy. But a 12g vs a 16 or 20g not so easy.
  
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  March 12, 2017 12:59pm
reid3

So the media is out to paint Obama as Mr Perfect, for instance in puff pieces like this.

Piers Morgan (who I don’t much like), points out some of Obongo’s feet of clay.

But make no mistake, this is all part of the image management for the Organiser in Chief. With their fully owned media manipulating the sheeple like the particularly stupid pavlovian dogs they all are, the anti-Trump factions in the Deep State and the Purple Revolution players (Soros, Jarret et al) are building Obongo an image that will look in the eyes of the sheeple something like this.

When the riots and violence break out all across America this summer, the media will do everything to pin the blame for them on Trump and will paint the Organiser in Chief as a peacemaker, only wanting to soothe the troubled waters, for which he bears no responsibility at all.

Combine those riots with the crashed economy which they are also arranging, and this coming year will be one of the most turbulent in US history.

This is how they have done their colour revolutions overseas. It’s the same standard formula. Use NGO’s to fund and organise opposition groups, use media organs they control to blame everything on the target regime, engineer situations where – they hope – massacres will occur. e.g. the Maiden ones where they had snipers shoot people in the crowd which they then blamed on regime forces.

The formula is well known and dates back to when Brezhinsky and the neocons first developed it with the Mujihadeen in Afghanistan to expel the Russians.

For the first time they’re now using it in a Western nation.

You watch what happens this summer.

You look for the signs as the media cover the deaths, the riots, the “peaceful demonstrations.”

You look for how they say what they say and most importantly, look on the alternative media for angles on the events they cover, which they never mention. Propaganda arises not only in how they say what they say but mostly, in what they never say.

So “they” in case you’re wondering, are:
Deep State:-
Military-industrial complex who stand to lose billions if Wussia isn’t painted as the meany for which thousands of missiles and expensive toys are needed
Wall Street who stand to lose trillions if Glass-Steagal is restored, which Trump announced he was considering the other day
Neocons who have infested the influtential think tanks and defence institutions and at state and who have been the main drivers behind US foreign policy ever since Bush 41
CIA which is not an intelligence agency it’s a regime change agency and it coordinates along with people like Soros, the colour revolutions that have wracked the world since Afghanistan. That 1963 letter from Truman recommending the US reverts the CIA to intell only was from the POTUS who set it up, so you’d think wouldn’t ya that he’d know a thing or do about what it had become. And of course everyone knows Kennedy said he was going to scatter it to the four winds just before he died, (which was in response to them lying to him which resulted in the Bay of Pigs fiasco).

Except for the neocons, there are White Hats in all of the above: i.e. it’s not every single person in every single organisation. And it’s these White Hats which are giving Trump ammunition to fight.

Outside the Deep State you have people like Soros, Obama and Jarret who are funding and organising the opposition and planting the required spin across the media, which they own. In addition you also have the compromised minions in Congress and in the organisational structures of both parties and those are who they’re going to use along with Soros-funded NGOs like BLM, to get the people onto the streets alongside paid agitators/rioters they will plant most of whom will be the illegals they’ve been shipping into the US since Obama came to office.

Just a small example of what they do. You know Bezos from Amazon brought the WaPo and soon after was awarded a $600 million contract from the CIA. That explains why the WaPo is doing what it’s doing, it’s been bought and paid for by the Deep State. For instance. Just telling you that to show you how these bastards operate.

Trump is a rank amateur compared to all of these forces arrayed against him but he has one weapon that can if skillfully used, defeat them: the rule of law. But clearly he doesn’t yet have a strategic plan because he’s been making moves that demonstrate he doesn’t understand the forces that are arrayed against him.

So much more detail on all of this is freely available to those wanting to know.

If you doubt the veracity of the above that’s fine. When the riots start happening and the media starts doing what I’ve told you it will, you will no doubt have a much better explanation of it than the above, and it will no doubt be much more penetrating than “this is just a bunch of stuff that’s accidentaly happening and there is no driving force behind it, because there can’t be, because the world doesn’t work like that, so there isn’t” and I will very much look forward to hearing it.
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March 12, 2017 10:43am
- holysheet
  
  You mean like this?
  
  http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/politics-other-controversies/122464d1387373581-barbara-walters-obama-we-thought-he-liberal-logic-101-2521-1-.jpg
  
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  March 12, 2017 10:48am
- EAD
  
  “neo-cons”
  
  another one of (((their))) misdirections and lies. Neo-cons is just another word for Israel firster.
  
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1593640242/ref=pd_aw_sim_sbs_14_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=588KYFJ09TVB5DAMYREF&dpPl=1&dpID=51AS7FDDARL
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:07am
  - reid3
    
    Yes. That’s one of the more interesting aspects of this. On the face of it the neocons should be perfectly happy because Kushner’s closely aligned with Bibi and Bibi manipulating his puppet Kushner is the main reason why Trump’s position on Iran is what it is.
    
    However both Mattis and Flynn are well aware of how destructive has been the neocon influence at State and Defence and those two were the prime reasons Trump declined so many of the cockroaches when they applied for positions under the favour of the POTUS.
    
    However they still infest the Pentagram, State and Thinktankland notwithstanding. The neocons of course also closely align with the Bush-Clinton faction in the CIA, they’re like Curly and Moe, those two, you never see one without the other.
    
    I don’t yet have a full read on what they’re doing, it’s just a facet I haven’t looked into yet because I’m more focused on the bigger picture at the mo.
    
    This interview here is worth listening to on that – he also discusses the Purple Revolution and the neocons as well as US-Russia relations.
    
    https://solari.com/blog/the-emerging-multipolar-world-with-the-saker-washingtons-russia-meltdown/
    
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    March 12, 2017 11:21am
    - Ross12
      
      Thanks for the link reid.
      Really impressed by a lot of what Catherine Austin Fitts had to say –especially some of the economic bits.
      
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      March 12, 2017 12:41pm
      - reid3
        
        She’s pretty smart ain’t she.
        
        thesaker.is is a good site too if you haven’t already got it bookmarked.
        
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        March 12, 2017 12:54pm
- stephieboy
  
  Puff ..
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:46am
holysheet

No wonder the US is fucked. They only have sex on average once a week.

http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/11/14881062/americans-sexual-activity-decline-study-happiness-internet-tv

The oldies are still showing the young ones how it should be done as usual.

And its an actual study, not something someone pulled out of their arse.
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March 12, 2017 10:43am
- SGA
  
  No wonder the US is fucked. They only have sex on average once a week.
  
  Once a week? That sounds only a little fucked.
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:30am
- stephieboy
  
  Holysheet,
  
  Puff again !
  
  http://ak4.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/3538967/thumb/2.jpg
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:46am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Speaking of ‘Puff’
    Your sister?
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zHKmYCCX4_w
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:41pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Wed, just for today give your hangup and fetish a rest .
      
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      March 12, 2017 12:49pm
  - reid3
    
    For those who doubt stephie’s actually a DARPA experiment designed to test the theory a million monkeys typing forever will eventually produce Shakespeare, the above two posts are proof.
    
    What you’re seeing above is a minor fluctation in the combobbulation field created by the wurzenflugels as they spin at millions of revs per minute attempting to convert stephie’s mindless meanderings into actual English that then appears here on GD. Due to the profoundly difficult nature of the base material they have to work with, the Chinese wurzenflugels DARPA originally installed, to save money, gave up the ghost, forcing them to buy Russian, which really pissed off the Pentagram, but Obongo overruled them, explaining the experiment must proceed, at any cost.
    
    So what happened above is that when the right reverse bank of wurzenflugels was translating my post into the simian language the stephies understand, one of them overheated due to the pressure of reverse translating perfectly good English into material sufficiently simple enough for the simian mind to comprehend, no easy task as you can well imagine. This caused a minor discombobbulation resulting in the only word reaching stephie’s mind being “puff.”
    
    stephie then mindlessly reacted to the unexpected input by outputting the same, thinking it was actually a banana.
    
    There’s a minor kerfuffle going on at DARPA HQ right now as they try to calm a few thousand simians down who got all excited at the thought of stopping the experiment and having some of their favourite food.
    
    Such is life in the stephie “household” but nevertheless, it’s a Presidential order so things must proceed apace, no matter the obstacles, no matter how hopeless and far away success may appear to be.
    
    Just thought you’d like to know.
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:47pm
    - stephieboy
      
      reid, ” discombobbulation ” ?? Instead of the fancy words what about more simply , ” confusion ” ?
      
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      March 12, 2017 4:00pm
- realityczech
  
  Have you seen how disgusting, fat and loud mouthed the average US pig beast woman is ?
  
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  March 12, 2017 12:44pm
  - Inandout
    
    No, but I once ventured into a Pak n Save.
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:58pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Once a week for the lefties because they are too busy protesting and rioting. Takes a lot of energy to smash and burn stuff you know
  
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  March 12, 2017 5:14pm
Happychappy

Before I say this I know Andrew Little is the Labour Party Leader and he dictates policy but why would Sweet Cheeks say the highest tax rate would increase to Thirty six cents if Labour win the Election. So who is telling the truth of what Labour intent to do if they obtain power.
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March 12, 2017 10:48am
RF

Just spat my coffee over the SST insert……

On page 3 under the heading UP we have Jacinda Ardern and the following comment.

“We love her right down to her overbite”

I suspect Angry has created a monster that will soon consume him in the polls.

He needs to consider another makeover and have an overbite implanted in his mouth.
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March 12, 2017 10:51am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Just spat my coffee over the SST insert……”
  RF, why do you bother with that rag?
  I had a very nice conversation the other day with a lady from Fairfax who rang me in desperation pleading with me to buy their DomPost and SST.
  After I’d explained to her why I no longer read them because if I really wanted to read that sort of drivel I could just go to the Labour Party website, she agreed with me.
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:22am
- Inandout
  
  Give up the newspaper habit, you will feel better almost immediately.
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:39am
  - RF
    
    I only subscribed to the SST after the recent quakes as I was concerned that there could be a shortage of toilet paper.
    
    Thanks the face smack. I will cancel.
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:17pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Angry & Airhead were interviewed on Q+A this morning. Angry couldn’t have had a bigger grin on his face while Jacinda proudly answered Corrin Dann’s questions.
  
  Dann’s demeanour toward AA & Airhead during their interview was quite in contrast to how he interviewed Bill English earlier where he could barely contain his personal disdain.
  
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  March 12, 2017 12:09pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    With a name like Corrin Dann how could you have any other career but lefty media hack?
    Same goes for Guyon E-spinner.
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:35pm
  - niggly
    
    Gosh, I wonder if Grant, the “brains” behind team Gracinda, must thinking “six more months AA, six more months” before the “team” takeover is complete?
    
    In the meantime AA better ensure A attends every weekend BBQ at his Island Bay abode to ensure total loyalty otherwise that big grin on his face might start to wane!
    
    Could that be the tell-tale sign that Grant’s BBQ’s are better? 🙂
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:50pm
  - RF
    
    Q & A today reminded me of a mother hen and her chick.
    
    At any minute I thought Angry would be picking nits out of the chicks hair and preening her feathers.
    
    The elephant in the room will be her popularity vote exceeding his.
    
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    March 12, 2017 2:19pm
    - niggly
      
      Andy will have to face the fact one day, that he can’t always bring his deputy Jacinda to media interviews, public events or election debates and have her at his side all the time!
      
      Even the Greens don’t do that (and they actually have formal Co-leaders)!
      
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      March 12, 2017 3:11pm
- geoff3012
  
  He needs to put his bloody glasses back on……that might help…….a wee bit…..maybe…
  
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  March 12, 2017 12:25pm
  - Happychappy
    
    He looks like a pissed parrot with the glasses off.
    
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    March 12, 2017 1:25pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Ho looks like a semi-obese Goebells with his gasses on – the poor bugger can’t win.
      
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      March 12, 2017 3:47pm
Dave Mann

Note to self: must stop reading anything in the wicked mainstream media as they are all lying socialists who are hell bent on turning us all into mindless commie drones with their fake news. Right, got it…. 😀
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March 12, 2017 10:52am
- reid3
  
  Seriously Dave, the thing most of the sheeple don’t get is that it’s not a left-right thing.
  
  The political stories carried by the WSJ are as much about fake news as the NYT is. For example.
  
  But the sheeple are incapable of dropping the left-right (two-legs-good, four-legs-bad) political paradigm they’ve grown up with ever since they listened to mum and dad discussing politics at the dinner table.
  
  That’s what the message managers rely on when they design their campaigns, which are not restricted to political elections but include things like how to spin the war in Syria or climate change or any other of the many memes they’ve spun up over the decades.
  
  And the extraordinarily stupid sheeple behave exactly as planned, exactly as intended, never waking up, until now, with the internet and the post-millenials. That’s changing the paradigm for the evil planners and they don’t know how to deal with it. But most sheeple have no fucking idea what I just said, or mean, about the internet and the post-millenials, do you. And most sheeple don’t even want to fucking know, do you.
  
  Your children and grand-children won’t be thanking you sheeple. You’re being played like a violin and you can either wake up or not. And if you chose the latter, then one day they’ll take down the scenery and you’ll be staring at the brick wall at the back of the theatre, just like Frank Zappa warned you they would.
  
  Just sayin.
  
  It’s not too late.
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:41am
  - Tirebiter
    
    I think you will find that the US has only one political party – the capitalist party – since to be in elected to high federal office you must be or at least profess to be a capitalist. No other political philosophies need apply. The republicans and democrats, the two narrow wings of this party, are two private corporate entities fighting each other for market share (power) using public relations (propaganda) to sway the minds of otherwise confused voters.
    
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    March 13, 2017 3:55am
Manolo

A lesson for any aspiring politician on how not to run for office:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/11/proof-hillary-clinton-ran-the-most-deplorable-presidential-campaign-in-modern-history/

A new academic study analysing the 2016 presidential election has determined that Hillary Clinton and her multitude of handlers ran a deplorably awful campaign that was probably the worst campaign for national office in the modern political era.
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March 12, 2017 11:10am
- holysheet
  
  Shush you will upset stupidboy and all the other snowflakes who stupidly thought and still do, that she had won.
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:26am
- ztev
  
  Their conclusions :
  ‘suggests that the biggest reason Clinton lost was because she decided she did not need to advertise in several critically important states and that, when she did advertise, her ads failed to address substantive political issues.’
  
  Hardly the biggest mistakes in history. And Trump won because HE advertised in those states ?
  
  err no
  ‘ Trump also advertised very little in Michigan and Wisconsin, but he advertised more than Clinton did in weeks leading up to the election.
  Both Clinton and Trump chose to advertise far less in 2016 than either Barack Obama or Mitt Romney did in 2012.’
  
  So how does doing the same as Trump did mean they made a mistake.?
  
  Its all too stupid
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:49am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , yet she achieved the biggest share of the popular vote in the President’s so called ” landslide ”
  
  LOL !
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:54am
  - realityczech
    
    Trump is more popular now than ever stephieboy. Note that huge numbers of blacks, mexicans, and women voted for Trump. Basically the reverse of everything the left said would happen.
    
    It gets better though as the whole world is rejecting the intolerant hateful left. 🙂
    
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    March 12, 2017 11:59am
    - ztev
      
      Rubbish. He has the highest negative ratings of any new President . EVER.
      
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      March 12, 2017 12:07pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Andrew Little Preferred PM 7%
        7%!!!
        Snigger
        
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        March 12, 2017 12:16pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , you just keep slowly plodding away on your treadmill of life and await the day when Trump exceeds Reagan’s popularity vote margin,
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margi
        
        Snigger .
        
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        March 12, 2017 12:29pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Afternoon Stephie. Nice time at Church?
        I followed your link. This came up
        ‘Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.’
        Fuck, you’re thick. Can’t even link properly.
        
        Snigger
        
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        March 12, 2017 12:39pm
      - realityczech
        
        ztev, no the filthy black animal had the worst ratings.
        
        They said that about Trump before he won. They said it about Bush before he won [again].
        
        In both cases the lying media ran fake news stories about rigged elections.
        
        Loser 🙂
        
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        March 12, 2017 12:47pm
      - ztev
        
        Heres the list
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin
        
        Sb had a missing n
        Trumps at the bottom
        
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        March 12, 2017 2:25pm
      - Nev.
        
        ztev..
        Heres the list of people that got elected President of the USA in 2016:
        
        Donald J. Trump.
        
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        March 12, 2017 2:37pm
  - Manolo
    
    Yet, you are not able to see. Keep going, my Muslim friend.
    
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    March 12, 2017 3:14pm
- MCos
  
  After that litany of horrendous mistakes she still managed to gain considerable more votes than the chap who actually won.
  Doesn’t say much for Donald Trump except that his campaign concentrated on making outrageous promises to people in areas where it counted most in their particularly curious system.
  
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  March 12, 2017 12:02pm
  - realityczech
    
    He has already delivered on most of the promises. He has saved thousands of jobs for the working poor. You bitter twisted lefties attacked him for that saying he was interfering in the free market.
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:06pm
    - stephieboy
      
      rc, “thousands ” ??
      
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      March 12, 2017 4:03pm
Manolo

Cheeky invaders. The arrogant new Sultan’s minister is banned:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/11/dutch-withdraw-turkish-ministers-travel-permission-in-rally-dispute.html

The Netherlands barred Turkey’s Foreign Minister from flying to Rotterdam on Saturday and President Tayyip Erdogan responded by calling his NATO partner a “Nazi remnant” as a row over Ankara campaigning among emigre Turkish voters intensified.
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March 12, 2017 11:22am
- cha
  
  Peak ironing – Turkish official lecturing the Netherlands on democratic rights.
  
  Turkey’s EU Minister Omer Celik has tweeted that the decision to block a visit by the Turkish foreign minister “will go down in history as a dark spot on the Netherlands’ democracy and diplomacy.”
  
  http://news.hjnews.com/world/the-latest-turkish-official-dutch-embassy-closed-off/article_3a7ecb9b-5760-55d8-a2d0-b4ed2fef6b5c.html
  
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  March 12, 2017 2:35pm
krazykiwi

Meanwhile, 1000’s of men are going to die from stubborness

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March 12, 2017 11:23am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  No we won’t
  
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  March 12, 2017 5:23pm
Disaster Area

I see that the England rugby team have equalled the All Black’s record for consecutive wins.

Who will crack first?
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March 12, 2017 11:32am
- Manolo
  
  The Poms should break the record in two weeks when they play Ireland (in Dublin.)
  
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  March 12, 2017 11:41am
  - Kimbo
    
    Wouldn’t be so sure. Has been an up-and-down campaign for the Irish, but they will be very competitive.
    
    It has been good and even Six Nations comp with the likes of Scotland winning again. It is exciting when that happens, unlike the All Blacks boring procession in the Rugby Championship that threatens to get worse as the Springboks and Wallabies regress even further.
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:21pm
    - Longknives
      
      “It is exciting when that happens, unlike the All Blacks boring procession in the Rugby Championship”
      
      Surely it’s Blasphemy for a NZ Rugby fan to even suggest such things Kimbo?
      I remember watching a Six Nations report on One News Sport last year- They had the caption “Boring Rugby” behind the smirking, childish Reporter..
      It just summed up the pathetic and One-Eyed nature of NZ Rugby fans/media to me.
      I’ve been to a Six Nations match with a singing crowd in a massive,packed stadium- The atmosphere is ten times that of a bloody ‘Rugby Championship’ snorefest…
      
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      March 12, 2017 1:37pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Surely it’s Blasphemy for a NZ Rugby fan to even suggest such things Kimbo?
        
        …It just summed up the pathetic and One-Eyed nature of NZ Rugby fans/media to me.
        
        Depends if “rugby” or “NZ” comes first when affixed to “fan”. First test match my dad ever saw – All Blacks vs Lions, Carisbrook, Dunedin 1959. ~~New Zealand~~ Don Clarke 18 (6 penalties) Lions 17 (four tries)…and the crowd was chanting “Red, Red, Red”, just as the Eden Park crowd did in the last few minutes of the fourth test of the same tour, when, with the scores at 9-6 to the Lions, Clarke lined up a relatively easy penalty that would even the score. And the Aucland crowd cheered when he missed.
        
        Also, 3rd test 1965 at Lancaster Park, Christchurch, after the Springboks staged their great comeback from 5-16 down at half time, and Tiny Naude kicked his last minute penalty to win the game for the South Africans, the New Zealand crowd also cheered for the visitors.
        
        But if you think that most of the time, say, Fenway Park regulars are “sporting” you are dreaming. As per Chris Rock, who once foolishly decided to wear a New York Yankees cap there when watching his team play the Boston Red Sox there…”I ain’t never experienced hate like that before – and I’m black!” 😉
        
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        March 12, 2017 1:55pm
      - Manolo
        
        The Poms are playing well and deserve the Six Nations title. It can only make a meeting with the ABs even more interesting.
        
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        March 12, 2017 4:08pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Reminds me of the great story about England’s rugby fixture in Dublin in early 1973. Context: due to the “troubles” in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales had cancelled their scheduled trip to Dublin in 1972, so the (then 5 Nations) championship was not completed that year.
    
    Next year, and England were under a lot of pressure not to go and play at Lansdowne Road. Nonetheless. being the stubborn and conservative men that they were, the alikadoos of the Rugby Football Union decided they were going to honour their commitment. So the England team went, and, as was common in that era, they lost. However, at the after match function the English captain, John Pullin was made a freeman of Dublin and an honourary Irishman for life when he stood up and started his speech with the words,
    
    “We may not be much good…but at least we turn up”.
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:27pm
  - marcw
    
    Wouldn’t it be ironic if the team that broke the ABs run of wins at 18 (Ireland), also stopped the English winning streak? It will be a brutal game I would say, and the clash of the big and heavy English forwards against the rushing tactics Ireland used in Chicago will be a ‘take no prisoners’ effort. Shame most in NZ won’t get to see it – our protected and uncaring media see to that.
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:42pm
Hugh Pavletich

The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Rob Stock | Fairfax – Stuff.co.nz

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/the-nz-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-labour-polling

… extract …

… One grandfather who feels that way is Hugh Pavletich, who had been campaigning for sweeping reform of housing policy for more than a decade as he’s watched house prices spiral up and up.

“People are now actually hostile to housing inflation,” he says. “It was all fun in the beginning, and for the first few years, until the kids came knocking on the door wanting $100,000 or $200,000 for the deposit on a home.”

Pavletich calls housing wealth “illusory” except for a small proportion of society including property speculators and investors, real estate agents, banks, and retirees able to sell up in Auckland and relocate to the provinces.

For everyone else, he says: “I refer to it as a poverty creation programme.”

The young are either trapped into lifelong renting, or forced to take on gigantic mortgages, and simple things like moving house become costly and difficult in a “high multiple” housing market, Pavletich says. … read more via hyperlink above …

New Zealand housing most unaffordable in the world – The Economist | Newshub

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2017/03/new-zealand-housing-most-unaffordable-in-the-world-the-economist.html

Demographia in the news …

https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=demographia&tbm=nws&*
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March 12, 2017 11:59am
- Happychappy
  
  Its seven months old and a bit like you past your use by date.
  
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  March 12, 2017 12:36pm
- Swifty
  
  This constant daily repetition and, worse, self-promotion is exactly why you are regarded as another Penny Bright. Perhaps even lower. Do you have no self-awareness at all man?
  
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  March 12, 2017 12:39pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  A poll commissioned by Labour!!
  Hmmm….
  And it’s so stale after seven months that it’s going mouldy.
  But they had to release it now because it’s the best result they’re going to get.
  
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  March 12, 2017 12:42pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    I was appalled with the infantile diversionary behaviour of Chris Bishop and David Seymour here … in trivializing the hugely important housing issue …
    
    Hone Harawira swears, threatens National MP during Auckland University election debate | Newshub
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/03/hone-harawira-swears-threatens-national-mp-during-auckland-university-election-debate.html
    
    New Zealand’s housing consensus: Where is the political leadership? … Hugh Pavletich … Not PC
    
    http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/auckland-worlds-fourth-hardest-to-buy.html
    
    RMA reform – a lesson in how not to do it: Pattrick Smellie | Stuff.co.nz
    
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/90212062/pattrick-smellie-rma-reform-a-lesson-in-how-not-to-do-it
    
    Other initiatives have overtaken the RMA in lifting barriers to residential development.
    
    Pattrick Smellie
    
    OPINION: As United States president Donald Trump is discovering, getting things done in politics requires law-making as well as rhetoric.
    
    Enacting legislation requires the ability to count and to build a majority. It’s not clear the Trump administration is well-versed in the dark arts of passing law in the US, where they haven’t even passed last year’s budget legislation yet.
    
    The haggling to turn Trump’s “beautiful” new healthcare policy into a replacement for Obamacare will require epic tactical cunning.
    
    Closer to home, the tortuous process of reforming the Resource Management Act limped on this week with the long-delayed report back to Parliament for second reading this week from the local government and environment select committee. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    March 12, 2017 1:45pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      … Former Australian Liberal (Conservative) Party Leader John Hewson touched on the consequences of political inertia within an opinion piece for the Melbourne Age Thursday …
      
      The risk is greater than the GFC if we can’t fix the housing crisis : John Hewson … The Melbourne Age
      
      http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-risk-is-greater-than-the-gfc-if-we-cant-fix-the-housing-crisis-20170309-guu4sf.html
      
      One of the main reasons why the anti-establishment movement is gaining considerable momentum in our politics is that key policy issues have been ignored and just left to drift, some now reaching crisis proportions.
      
      Housing is a conspicuous example. The political class is finally catching up, with both NSW and Victorian premiers now making it a priority, and Treasurer Scott Morrison committing to a “housing package” as the centrepiece of the May budget. All probably very little, too late, with the issue complicated with overlapping federal and state responsibilities. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      … From March 2015 …
      
      Inequality & Housing: Through the roof … The Economist
      
      http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21647349-rising-house-prices-may-be-chiefly-responsible-rising-inequality-through
      
      … extract …
      
      “Moreover, if housing is the biggest source of rising inequality, then the wealth tax Mr Piketty advocates is the wrong response. Policymakers should instead try to reduce the planning restrictions which, by inhibiting new construction, allow homeowners to earn such big returns on their assets.”
      
      Thomas Piketty’s theory on income equality wrecked by 28 year old … Breitbart
      
      http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/26/socialist-thomas-pikettys-theory-on-income-equality-wrecked-by-26-year-old-mit-grad-student/
      
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      March 12, 2017 1:54pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Hugh,
        Twitford is to housing what Guy Fawkes was to pyrotechnics.
        
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        March 12, 2017 3:45pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Thanks for that link Hugh.
      I was appalled by the racist Hone’s infantile swearing.
      
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      March 12, 2017 2:03pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Maybe you should take your red blinkers off and Look who bated the argument and if you have skeletons in your closet you will find that people will throw it back at you. Hone bit off a bit more than he could chew.
      
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      March 12, 2017 2:30pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Labour’s Phil Twyford is pushing out the boundaries of Labour’s stance on housing infrastructure, eyeing a govt unit to access finance for developers … Alex Tarrant … Interest Co NZ
        
        http://www.interest.co.nz/property/86452/labours-phil-twyford-pushing-out-boundaries-labour%E2%80%99s-stance-housing-infrastructure
        
        By Alex Tarrant
        
        Labour housing spokesman Phil Twyford is set to take his ‘targeted rate’ idea for financing new housing infrastructure a step further – by considering whether a central government unit within Treasury could borrow on behalf of developers, through bonds backed by the government’s credit rating and serviced through those targeted rates.
        
        It’s part of an effort to take debt pressure off local councils already at their borrowing ceilings. It would also trump the government’s $1 billion housing infrastructure fund, which Twyford attacks as an ironic line of credit to debt-ridden councils – ironic because of previous government attacks on council debt levels.
        
        Twyford in 2015 raised the idea of paying for new housing infrastructure via targeted rates on properties within a given development, paid over an asset’s lifetime. A proposal to allow local councils to issue specific infrastructure bonds gained traction last year. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … 2016 reports …
        
        Editorial: Labour’s bond proposal makes sense – Business – NZ Herald News
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11643010
        
        Abolish Auckland city limits – Labour – Business – NZ Herald News
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11640374
        
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        March 12, 2017 2:36pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Don’t forget this ‘classic’ by Allister Heath, Deputy Editor of the UK (Tory) Telegraph from October 2015. …
        
        The real ticking time bomb for the Tories is home ownership – Telegraph
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/11917816/The-real-ticking-time-bomb-for-the-Tories-is-home-ownership.html
        
        You all need to re-learn the principles on which the National Party was founded !
        
        It may be a very good idea indeed if new Prime Minister Bill English appoints me Re-education Manager for the National Party.
        
        I have that Croatian Charisma … which helps.
        
        Even Captain Costa Concordia Key made mention of the National Party principles back in 2007 when discussing housing issues …
        
        John Key – Housing Reform 2007 – Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
        
        He never believed a word of it … but hey … that’s another story.
        
        Like Napoleon and St Helenas … its best we leave the failed Mr Key in exile in Hawaii … as I predicted mid last year …
        
        Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
        
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        March 12, 2017 4:25pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        corrected url …
        
        Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/Housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-Keys-Waterloo
        
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        March 12, 2017 4:34pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Here is a very ‘principled’ Bill English with wife Mary at his side being interviewed by Paul Holmes back in 2001 when he was first appointed leader …
        
        http://tvnz.co.nz/q-and-a-news/title-bill-mary-english-in-2001-video-6508197
        
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        March 12, 2017 5:19pm
stephieboy

Trump’s Presidency has witnessed the rise of conspiracy theory chicanery . The latest being the so called ” Dark State ” that postulates that a rival state is in the making to take over . It consists of a cabal of FBI, NSA and CIA operatives colluding with the former President , George Soros ( naturally ) and other nefarious elements in the Washington DC Bureaucracy ,

“Deep State’ is the latest US conspiracy theory you need to know about”

” First it was “fake news”. Now comes the “deep state”.

That’s the term suspicious supporters of Donald Trump are using for an alleged intelligence-led coup against the new President, who has been besieged by politically damaging leaks since taking office.

Some of those leaks have led to embarrassing revelations – for example, one alleged Trump prowls the halls of the White House in a bathrobe and spends hours watching TV – while others have been more scandalous.

Trump’s National Security Adviser, General Michael Flynn, was forced to resign after just three weeks in the job because leaks revealed he had lied about his discussions with Russia’s ambassador to the United States.

There have also been incessant leaks from US intelligence officials about alleged ties between Russia and members of Trump’s campaign staff….”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11815778
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March 12, 2017 12:03pm
- realityczech
  
  Great fake news stephieboy.
  
  I love the one about the evil Russians conspiring with the ; KKK, Reptilian Shape Shifter – Jew – Masons – Bilderburg Group… to make life hard for a handful of Muslim-Mexican-blacks.
  
  LOL 🙂
  
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  March 12, 2017 12:13pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “..evil Russians conspiring with the ; KKK, Reptilian Shape …”
    
    Who has claimed that exactly ?
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:15pm
    - realityczech
      
      You did stephieboy. You think there is some big conspiracy behind Trump.
      
      I can assure you Russia is on your side and would love another incompetent black POTUS. Russia would love more Muslim and Mexican immigration into the USA.
      
      Why the fuck would Russia try and save the USA from social, economic and political suicide ?
      
      Ain’t too bright are ya boy ? 🙂
      
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      March 12, 2017 12:22pm
      - reid3
        
        It’s hard accurately to calculate political nuance when all you can think about is when is the next banana going to arrive rc.
        
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        March 12, 2017 2:00pm
    - reid3
      
      How do you like it when people put words in your mouth, stephie?
      
      Feel good?
      
      Of course it does.
      
      Doesn’t it.
      
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      March 12, 2017 2:09pm
      - stephieboy
        
        reid , put what words into whose mouth exactly ?
        
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        March 12, 2017 4:09pm
      - reid3
        
        disengenous as always stephie. You can’t even be honest, can you.
        
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        March 12, 2017 4:31pm
realityczech

Nobel Prize time for this wonderful man 🙂

“Donald Trump” Has Already Created 198,000 New Energy Jobs In 2017

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/01/16/president-elect-trump-already-created-198000-new-energy-jobs-2017/
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March 12, 2017 12:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  realityczech , the President a closeted gweenie after all ?
  
  Donald Trump to sack climate change scientists and slash Environmental Protection Agency budgets, says official
  All the agency’s research will now have to be approved by the government and may be deleted entirely from the website
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-epa-myrion-ebell-environmental-protection-agency-global-warming-climate-change-a7548926.html
  
  LOL
  
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  March 12, 2017 12:17pm
  - realityczech
    
    Good show. Great to see Trump taking the politics out of science and cleaning up corruption, as well as the planet.
    
    He has achieved more in a few weeks than the lazy and stupid Obama did in two full terms of office. What would you expect though from a farm implement ?
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:27pm
    - stephieboy
      
      rc , your obviously unwell . Visit your GP.
      
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      March 12, 2017 12:31pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        ‘You’re’, not ‘your’.
        Go back to school.
        
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        March 12, 2017 12:44pm
      - holysheet
        
        What gives you the idea stupidboy actually went to school?
        
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        March 12, 2017 12:51pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Holyturd , which pre school did you graduate from ?
        
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        March 12, 2017 1:51pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Good one stephie. Think of that all by yourself did you?
        
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        March 12, 2017 2:23pm
- cha
  
  It’s satire, you fucking imbecile.
  
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  March 12, 2017 2:39pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Wow, a stupid troll. Who would have thought?
    
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    March 12, 2017 3:13pm
- ztev
  
  Those jobs. yes the jobs numbers.
  
  “President Trump described good employment numbers under the previous government as ‘phony’. After the first month of his government, the White House press secretary said “They may have been phony in the past, but it’s very real now”.
  
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  March 12, 2017 3:33pm
realityczech

The Guardian reports 53% of women voted for Trump. His popularity has increased with women since then.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/10/white-women-donald-trump-victory
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March 12, 2017 12:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ah White women. !
  
  Plus from your MSM link,
  
  “..White women without a college degree supported Trump over Hillary Clinton by nearly a two to one margin. White women with a college degree were more evenly divided, with 45% supporting Trump, compared with 51% supporting Clinton…”
  
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  March 12, 2017 12:32pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Ah White women. !”
    
    No stephieboy, not for you there isn’t.
    
    stephieboy, are you saying people without a degree don’t matter ? If not… what is your point ?
    
    BTW idiot, the least amount of degrees are among blacks and Mexicans. Do you look down your nose and shit on niggers and spics ?
    
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    March 12, 2017 12:38pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Stephie doesn’t seem to like gay people either. Calling them ‘Homos’ yesterday which is very derogatory!
      I wonder if this is his favourite game.
      http://riffraffgames.com/milotosser/
      
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      March 12, 2017 12:49pm
      - realityczech
        
        AoR, stephieboy seems to think Gay Russian White Women are rigging the US political system to …. well he won’t tell us why.
        
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        March 12, 2017 12:54pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Shows he’s really getting out there and grabbing some pussy.
  
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  March 12, 2017 2:22pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Guess the Women just like being grabbed by the pussy. There, that did not hurt you feminazis too much I hope
  
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  March 12, 2017 5:42pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Raining in Auckland, including mt Albert, and still no news of a vacancy for leader of the labour party…… stay tuned. Mike Williams to comment on little as best thing for labour and for nz as next pm. Kiss of death ????
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March 12, 2017 12:57pm
- Happychappy
  
  What have they hired Mike Williams to go get Pete Hodgson out of retirement to go dig some dirt on Bill English.
  
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  March 12, 2017 1:34pm
  - stigie
    
    Mallard is doing fuck all these days, perhaps he is best to hop along with the other 2 and dig up some unnecessary shit as well !~
    
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    March 12, 2017 1:59pm
- ztev
  
  There is no vacancy and wont be. There is no rule about the MPs can change the leader in the 3 months before the election. ( its only after the election and its more a vote of confidence, still have to be elected by electoral college)
  
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  March 12, 2017 2:04pm
Fletch

Slightly conspiracy flavored but worth a watch. Some of the people connected with the Clintons who have been shot, committed suicide or died in plane crashes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5JapU0Vf44

An awful lot of people connected to just one couple. Seems a heck of a coincidence to me. What are the odds?
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March 12, 2017 2:01pm
mikenmild

Slightly conspiracy flavored?
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March 12, 2017 2:04pm
- thedavincimode
  
  That’s the conspiracy you’re having when you aren’t having a conspiracy milky.
  
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  March 12, 2017 2:19pm
- Nev.
  
  His name was Seth Rich, mikey.
  
  Rich was shot about a block from his home in the Bloomingdale neighborhood of Washington, D.C. Police were alerted to gunfire at 4:20 am by an automated gunfire locator called ShotSpotter. Rich was found conscious but later died in the hospital. Newsweek reported that police said he may have been killed in an attempted robbery and that the neighborhood had recently been plagued by robberies. Although Rich’s watch strap was torn, nothing had apparently been taken from him. According to police, he died from two shots to the back. Rich’s girlfriend told NBC Washington, “There had been a struggle. His hands were bruised, his knees are bruised, his face is bruised, and yet he had two shots to his back, and yet they never took anything…They didn’t finish robbing him, they just took his life.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich
  
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  March 12, 2017 2:56pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Nev , Seth Rich conspiracy is a hugely dumb Trump supporters meme,
    
    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/article/20843781/mining-a-murder-how-seth-rich-became-a-martyr-for-the-altright
    
    His family are not amused ,
    
    http://dcist.com/2017/03/seth_rich_russian_conspiracy_burkman.php
    
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    March 12, 2017 4:15pm
realityczech

stephieboy, I have been reading up on some of your sources. Hilarious stuff 🙂

I note they missed out on those “white women” you were ranting about today, though the article is old.

“Putin Massively Influenced by Jewish, Illuministic/Masonic, National, Doomsday Ideologies. Been Planning WWIII for 10 years”

http://new.euro-med.dk/20151008-putin-massively-influenced-by-jewish-illuministicmasonic-national-doomsday-ideologies.php
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March 12, 2017 2:18pm
- stephieboy
  
  rc, more satire / parody ?
  
  ZZZZZZZZZzzz .. !
  
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  March 12, 2017 4:17pm
thedavincimode

I had to switch channels before the inevitable happened last night when Gingrich gave Hannity a stroke, but not before realising where I’ve seen hannity’s haircut before.
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March 12, 2017 2:38pm
Nev.

Did I break Griff?
Nev.
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March 12, 2017 2:41pm
realityczech

Under the black warlord we saw trillions spent on war, while the space program was shut down. Under the Obama regime anti-science stance the US has had to catch a ride on Russian rockets to get up to the space station !

Trump is shutting down the climate doomsday industry and spending the money on advancing mankind. No longer will money be wasted promoting radical left wing doctrine as “science”

Trump is bringing in a new age of enlightment, tolerance, freedom and prosperity for all.

Trump to scrap Nasa climate research in crackdown on ‘politicized science’
Nasa’s Earth science division is set to be stripped of funding as the president-elect seeks to shift focus away from home in favor of deep space exploration

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/22/nasa-earth-donald-trump-eliminate-climate-change-research
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March 12, 2017 3:08pm
Nev.

RIP Murray Ball.

Great cartoonist from when the country was a different place.
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March 12, 2017 3:12pm
- realityczech
  
  Cartoonists can no longer practice their craft. They are shackled by the radical left wing media who want all content to reflect their diseased vision of state controlled society.
  
  They used to make fun of everyone and call them out on their bullshit. Now the only authorised targets are Trump and white males. That is a bit limiting for the creative spirit that cartoonists have.
  
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  March 12, 2017 3:20pm
  - reid3
    
    This guy is one of the best:
    
    http://ddees.com/index.php/2015/09/11/david-dees-art-gallery/
    
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    March 12, 2017 3:44pm
    - realityczech
      
      reid 3, they won’t like it. He has unauthorised ideas and people just want to fit in and be accepted.
      
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      March 12, 2017 3:53pm
      - reid3
        
        Oh he’s well liked amongst the alternative media community rc, but the sheeple hate him, just like they hate me, because both of us explain to the sheeple what a bunch of fucking morons they are being in the face of totally obvious, elementary factual information which an average ten-year old is capable of accurately processing and which they demonstrate by their very actions, they are incapable of doing.
        
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        March 12, 2017 4:03pm
      - stephieboy
        
        reid,
        
        “…but the sheeple hate him, just like they hate me, because both of us explain to the sheeple what a bunch of fucking morons they are ”
        
        Hate you and you explaining ? Now joking aside ..
        
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        March 12, 2017 4:46pm
Nev.

If you didn’t have a sob when Horse died you probably have no heart.
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March 12, 2017 3:32pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Some of the ‘milenials’ here will have no idea what you are talking about Nev. But then they will GOOGLE and pretend they knew.
  
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  March 12, 2017 6:12pm
  - itstricky
    
    You probably should have used GOOGLE to spell ‘millennials’
    
    Millennium has always had two ‘n’s and two ‘l’s as long as I remember, and I was 42 when they created that word! Ah, those were the centuries…
    
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    March 12, 2017 7:05pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      you stupid boy, I can spell my email ad corecttely so as to stop the spammers from pricks like you
      
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      March 12, 2017 7:10pm
      - stephieboy
        
        tsk,tsk , tsk . A little new age touchy , feelie there ?
        
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        March 12, 2017 7:14pm
RF

Have been watching the re-run of the Auckland Uni debate where Chris Bishop and Hone square off. Hone was true to form and a disgrace.

Presuming the Maori party will support National come September where does their new best friend Hone fit in as he hates National and will not work with them.

If the election goes pear shape the thought of Labour, Greens, Maori & Mana running this country is enough to send us back to the dark ages.

Time for a cuppa and a lie down.
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March 12, 2017 3:54pm
- niggly
  
  The Maori Party/Mana Party deal ends the day of the election, so potentially the Maori Party could continue to support National afterwards and if Hone wins Te Tai Tokerau he can happily stew in opposition. No doubt that’ll suit National fine.
  
  OTOH if Labour win the election (cough, cough), then best of luck to Andy and Jacinda sitting around the tale trying to negotiate a coalition with Metiria (and James), Winston, Hone etc.
  
  Visions of befuddled captains all trying to command and row the rowing boat all at the same time comes back in mind! Please pass the popcorn!
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/89581527/hone-harawira-gets-clear-te-tai-tokerau-run-for-mana-not-running-against-maori-party-in-other-seats
  
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  March 12, 2017 5:57pm
reid3

There is a lot of breaking news this weekend as the nation learns that a sitting President (Obama) looks to have used the nation’s national security apparatus – which is empowered to protect this nation from foreign enemies and threats – for crass political gain (read “personal gain”). If this is even partially true, this would be Watergate on steroids and irreparably tarnish the Obama administration for all history.

These high stakes may also explain the irrational fear and hate by the democrat leadership we have seen in their scorched-Earth actions since the election. Events may be unraveling on them big time, events that started last summer in a very different world.

Let’s begin by setting down a hard and fast rule to blunt the coming weasel words from team Obama. The President runs his administration. The President’s cabinet has some individual authority, but they confirm with the Commander-in-Chief anything that could erupt back on them either legally or politically. No cabinet member – especially the Attorney General – would run near or across legal or ethical lines without concurrence (i.e., cover from) the top person.

To say Obama did not “order” the “wire tap” against the Trump campaign is as ridiculous as it sounds. Note: Trump used figurative parentheses when he tweeted “wire tap”, so read that as meaning “surveillance” legally.

It is not like the Captain of a ship actually “weigh’s the anchor” themselves! Captains order it be done. Or more accurately, it is one step of a process that has been established by the command chain so that when the Captain orders the ship to prepare to “get under way” this action is taken. However executed, the Captain is legally responsible for the people under him, and any mistakes they make. This would include any issues or damage done “weighing” the anchors.

So when someone tries to split hairs about who ordered the surveillance on Team Trump, remember this:

First, as Obama officials well know, under the FISA process, it is technically the FISA court that “orders” surveillance. And by statute, it is the Justice Department, not the White House, that represents the government in proceedings before the FISA court.

The fact is no one would be dumb enough to run afoul of the laws protecting the American People from our intelligence apparatus without top cover – because these represent very, very serious crimes. So let’s stop pretending AG Lynch did this on her own. If this happened, it was all coordinated….

Then it goes on to outline the legal issues Obongo faces. Splitting hairs is exactly what our resident village idiot tried to do on yesterday’s GD when I pointed out that Flynn’s taped conversation took place inside Trump Tower therefore Trump Tower had to be tapped, despite the evil media desperately spinning the server was actually located somewhere else.

Obongo is screwed, he’s totally and completely and utterly fucked.

This is ten times worse than anything Nixon did, and even though there is no longer a Woodward or Bernstien at the WaPo these days, we don’t need em, this time, because the evidence is already on the official records, just waiting for the supoena from the Congressional investigation.

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/21934
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March 12, 2017 3:56pm
- chiz
  
  I pointed out that Flynn’s taped conversation took place inside Trump Tower therefore Trump Tower had to be tapped, despite the evil media desperately spinning the server was actually located somewhere else.
  
  The fact that Flynn’s phone conversation was taped doesn’t indicate that Trump Tower was bugged. It indicates that the Russian Ambassadors’ phone was bugged. Flynn could have been anywhere and his conversation would still have been picked up.
  
  And what does the server have to do with this? There was in fact a formal investigation last year involving a Trump server but this was completely separate from Flynn.
  
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  March 12, 2017 4:18pm
  - reid3
    
    So how did Trump’s conversation with the Australian PM get leaked as well, chiz?
    
    And why don’t you familiarise yourself with the details of the three separate applications Obongo made to the FISA court, and the alterations he made thereto to them, as first one then another was declined, finally passing to the last one, which happily didn’t mention he wanted to put a tap onto POTUS candidate Trump, unlike the other two, which named him, which was the reason the court declined the applications.
    
    Do all of that then come back and ask a question.
    
    You should be able to find the links, if you can drive google. But of course, you do need a mind that is open, so make sure you have one of those before you start.
    
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    March 12, 2017 4:36pm
- stephieboy
  
  “Note: Trump used figurative parentheses when he tweeted “wire tap”, so read that as meaning “surveillance” legally…”
  
  Trump’s nimble and subtle mind in action .again ?
  
  Some more parody or is it more conspiracy speak er waffle ?
  
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  March 12, 2017 4:21pm
  - realityczech
    
    The media are in a frenzy trying to cover up Obama’s crimes, while running fake news stories about Trump to distract the sheeple.
    
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    March 12, 2017 4:33pm
    - reid3
      
      Yes it’s working well with stephie, isn’t it.
      
      He’s probably one of those people whoever came up with the “you can fool some of the people all the time” quote was thinking of when he wrote that particular bit of it.
      
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      March 12, 2017 4:37pm
- Fletch
  
  Would love to see Obama get his ass nailed to the wall for this. He’s had his comeuppance due for a long time. This is way worse than Watergate.
  
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  March 12, 2017 4:48pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch, ” This is way worse than Watergate.”
    
    In what way ?
    
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    March 12, 2017 7:20pm
Happychappy

Well it seems like Todd Mclay has brokered a deal with the British that will see NZ and Australia first cabs off the block to pen Trade deals with the UK after breaking away from the EU. How long will we have to wait before Labour and Andrew Little to pour their vile opposition to another trade deal for NZ.
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March 12, 2017 4:05pm
Jack5

Logging on to Kiwiblog with the latest version of Firefox I get the message that the log-on isn’t secure, and suggest adding “https://” before the Kiwiblog address in the location bar.

When you do this I cannot give the Stephiestani troll team their upticks. However, I can still log on, and post and edit posts, such as this one.

Anyone have thoughts on this internet security thing?

https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Protect-your-privacy/Insecure-password-warning-in-Firefox/ta-p/27861
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March 12, 2017 4:07pm
- reid3
  
  So it just says you can ignore it and carry on logging in Jack, why don’t you just do that.
  
  Fucks me off the way all kinds of internet apps make you enter passwords of certain security levels, what the fuck do they care if a user wants to use a simple password. Why do they force people who don’t want to be forced, do something they don’t want to do, just so they can use their stupid product?
  
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  March 12, 2017 4:12pm
  - Jack5
    
    I’m just interested in why only only thing seems affected by Firefox’s recommended secure log-on. It allows you to post and to edit that post, but doesn’t allow you to make upticks or downticks.
    
    I will resort to using my usual browser, so it’s no problem, but a matter of passing interest.
    
    Do you think, for example, that a very bored Mossad operator could hack the Stephie trolls’ password and launch an all out attack on Islam?
    
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    March 12, 2017 4:19pm
    - reid3
      
      Let’s hope so.
      
      It’d be amusing if ISIS declared a fatwah on him in response, wouldn’t it.
      
      I’d laugh and laugh and laugh.
      
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      March 12, 2017 4:38pm
      - Jack5
        
        Or the Stephie team might be called back to Stephlamabad for a chat with the BeHead Master.
        
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        March 12, 2017 4:43pm
- Happychappy
  
  I have just downloaded google Chrome again as bing and other would not allow me to tick or edit.
  
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  March 12, 2017 4:51pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I am still using IE and it works well.
  Sssshhhh don’t tell the people who use the gravel roads instead of motorways
  
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  March 12, 2017 6:18pm
- rangitoto
  
  It’s because you are sending the usercode and password in the clear when you log in to kiwiblog. The new version of FF warns you about it. I notice if you connect using https, firefox still gives a warning on the URL bar (orange exclamation mark) so the page still has a problem. Some parts of the page are not secure. You can turn the protection off by clicking on the orange exclamation, then the right arrow to get the details. There is a button there you can click to disable the protection.
  
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  March 12, 2017 7:46pm
Manolo

The Dutch teach the new sultan a lesson:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/11/erdogan-brands-dutch-nazi-remnants-for-barring-turkish-mp

In the Netherlands, the Turkish family affairs minister was detained by the authorities to prevent her addressing a Rotterdam rally in support of the Turkish president and escorted to the German border. Police later used horseback charges to break up a pro-Turkey crowd that had gathered at the country’s consulate in the city.
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March 12, 2017 4:17pm
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/90185841/national-portrait-hazim-arafeh

“They have misinterpreted the use of the burqa completely. The burqa or niqab is nothing more than extra protection that a woman may choose to use if she finds it necessary for her to protect herself.”

But if they don’t choose that extra protection then they are choosing to be flogged or stoned.

What’s wrong with the media? Why not call him out on shit like this?
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March 12, 2017 4:18pm
- Jack5
  
  Do you reckon the burqas or niquabs are why the better-off Arabs need a gaggle of wives to show off in the marital version of conspicuous consumption?
  
  Donald Trump, as a billionaire has had a series of wives, seemingly getting more beautiful and younger as he grew richer and older, until now he is married to the gorgeous Melania, almost 25 years younger than him. A glance at them together and you know Donald must be loaded with money and power.
  
  With trophy wives hooded in public, the rich Muslim needs to have a group trailing him to reflect his status. Size of each might count, and perhaps how far behind the ladies are walking. But number has to be a big factor.
  
  I reckon quality Trumps quantity in this case.
  
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  March 12, 2017 4:32pm
- reid3
  
  Not in Iran cmm but probably in SA, Qatar, the Gulf States and all the other close allies of the West.
  
  Ever think about that?
  
  Of course not.
  
  Doesn’t match the cognitive dissonance, does it.
  
  Hurts the tummy, doesn’t it.
  
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  March 12, 2017 5:50pm
stephieboy

cmm,

“..they are choosing to be flogged or stoned.”

At Mt Roskill ” stan” ?

LOL !

BTW , an error in your earlier post. South Sudan , Nigeria and Yemen are not in North Africa at all .

Guess where they are ?
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March 12, 2017 4:25pm
- realityczech
  
  To be fair you are right. The Dune-Coons actually tried to civilise the Africans. It didn’t work, though they did get them working during centuries of slavery. Sadly YT came along and tried to tell them slavery was wrong, so now they just run around eating bags of UN rice and committing genocide in those regions.
  
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  March 12, 2017 4:36pm
- Jack5
  
  Aha, they’ve returned African and Middle East geography to the Madrassas Master Curriculum.
  
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  March 12, 2017 4:37pm
- cmm
  
  The furtherest from Saudi Arabia is Nigeria – less than 4000 km. It is North of the equator ie. in Northern Africa. Well within the flying distances of one of the Saudi Princes’ 747s Inshallah.
  
  Yemen is next door to Saudi Arabia. The Saudi Prince could drive there in one of his Range Rovers. Yemen is not technically Africa, but is 20 km away across the sea. A bit of poetic license.
  
  Sudan (inc South Sudan) are certainly in Northern Africa and is only 100km from Mecca – just a short hop across the Red Sea.
  
  LOL!
  
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  March 12, 2017 5:49pm
stephieboy

Jack5 , I take you gave rc ‘s ” dune coons ” post an uptick . The basis of which was what ?
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March 12, 2017 4:41pm
- Jack5
  
  Thanks for that Stephie X, I’ll give it the uptick right now.
  
  Now “dune coons”. Sounds sort of Scottish. Do you think he was referring to someone in Dunedin. Perhaps Southlandish for the Dunedin cousins? I’m loath to think it’s more sinister than that.
  
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  March 12, 2017 4:45pm
- realityczech
  
  stephieboy
  
  Ah White women. !
  MARCH 12, 2017 12:32PM
  
  Oh dear ! LOL 🙂
  
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  March 12, 2017 4:57pm
Nev.

2 weeks without swearing.
Some sort of record for some….

Names changed to protect the guilty.
Nev.
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March 12, 2017 4:48pm
realityczech

“The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has now spent over $3.5 million to determine why the majority of lesbians are obese.”

http://freebeacon.com/issues/taxpayers-have-now-spent-3-5-million-to-find-out-why-lesbians-are-obese/

They should come and check out the angry ugly waddling man hating pig creatures here in Wellington.
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March 12, 2017 5:22pm
- Nev.
  
  unfulfilled oral fixation
  That’s why I always fuck fat chicks.
  
  Nev.
  
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  March 12, 2017 5:40pm
  - realityczech
    
    Rich pickings for you chubby chasers here !
    You are doing a service to humanity as they turn very feral when they don’t get some cock.
    
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    March 12, 2017 5:48pm
    - Nev.
      
      careful mate you’ll make the lesbian shitlist
      
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      March 12, 2017 5:53pm
      - realityczech
        
        A good visual representation of the inner workings of a Bulldyke’s mind. 🙂
        
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        March 12, 2017 5:58pm
Steve (North Shore)

28 fucking dollars for 12 bluff oysters at Pack n Save. Pay and pick up at Cust Services. People steal them, lazy fucks who won’t work to afford them.
nom nom nom
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March 12, 2017 6:20pm
- realityczech
  
  Rich prick growing fat on the sweat of the workers ^^^ 🙂
  
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  March 12, 2017 6:23pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    🙂 I am still working – prob much more than you.
    Now there is 4 tonne of steel inside the workshop that needs to be stacked in the rack – see you at 7am in the morning? I am 64 and will run rings around most
    
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    March 12, 2017 6:28pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Is that a job offer?
      
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      March 12, 2017 6:36pm
      - realityczech
        
        “mikenmild
        
        Is that a job offer?”
        
        He wants steel stacked, not PC and communism. No money in that milky.
        
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        March 12, 2017 6:39pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        You would not work in an iron lung Mike
        
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        March 12, 2017 6:52pm
    - realityczech
      
      Great I get to sleep in 🙂
      
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      March 12, 2017 6:38pm
- big bruv
  
  Another reason not to shop and Pack n Save.
  
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  March 12, 2017 6:46pm
  - realityczech
    
    big bruv, you can send your “help” down to do your shopping. 🙂
    
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    March 12, 2017 6:52pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    DILGAF big bruv, they are tasting nice, 3 left.
    Edit.
    Bit like a good drink, you don’t skull the whole bottle and say ‘that was nice’
    Bluff oysters are not a meal, just something nice
    
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    March 12, 2017 6:54pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Auckland eh? No need to pay at customer services in civilised parts of the country.
  
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  March 12, 2017 8:12pm
reid3

The Strategic Triangle that Is Changing the World

While the world continues to decipher, or digest, the new Trump presidency, important changes are afoot within the grand strategic triangle that lies between Russia, Iran and China

Away from the current chaos in the United States, major developments are progressing, with Iran, Russia and China coordinating on a series of significant moves crucial for the future of the Eurasian continent.

With a population of more than five billion people, constituting about two-thirds of the Earth’s population, the future of humanity passes through this immense area….

Most Westerners don’t seem to understand the US is in the same geostrategic position the UK was in 1917.

This is not the American century, it’s the Chinese.

Get used to it, sheeple.

And FFS, educate yourselves.

Preferably not by reading Western MSM, because what insights has that ever given you? Propaganda and lies, sure. But insight? Never. Right?

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/03/11/strategic-triangle-that-changing-world.html
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- realityczech
  
  The trouble is Israel wants to destroy Iran and is leading the US towards that goal. The re-starting of the cold war with Russia, and destroying Syria is part of that.
  
  When the attack occurs Russia and China may square off against the US. Game on !!!
  
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  March 12, 2017 6:50pm
  - reid3
    
    Quite right rc.
    
    Take a ‘I’m not a stoooopid sheeple’ badge from the box at the door.
    
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    March 12, 2017 6:59pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    I don’t see it that way rc. Russia has been with the West in WW2. I think it is time for the same – to clean out the ISIS, ISIL, Daeish, and fucking SOCIAILIST left leaning corksoakers – who want the Sharia Law way
    
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    March 12, 2017 7:05pm
    - reid3
      
      Steve, the West CREATED ISIL.
      
      That’s the problem.
      
      Don’t get it twisted,
      
      otherwise you won’t get a badge.
      
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      March 12, 2017 7:12pm
    - realityczech
      
      The West has opposed all Russia’s attempts to combat Islamic extremists. The USA was sympathetic to the murderous Chechen rebels, and others, who sought to set up a Muslim caliphate inside the Russian Federation. Even as they inflicted horrific terrorism on Russia and non Muslims. Same as the USA supported what is now the Taliban in Afghanistan. The USA told the radicals “they had a right to self determination” when they demanded a Sharia law state.
      
      Those same Chechen commanders are among the most brutal of ISIS leaders today.
      
      The US tactic is to promote terrorist groups to destroy countries and do the dirty work for them. Look for words like: Moderates, Regime Change etc.
      
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      March 12, 2017 7:19pm
      - Tirebiter
        
        The US has hated Russia since the 1917 revolution. Which is strange since the people of the two countries are very much alike – neither can build a car worth a shit. Support for the Chechens, creating the mujahaddin and Bin Laden – and by extension the alphabet-soup of pseudo-Islamic nihilistic criminal gangs we have now, initiating the subversion of lawful governments around the world to support the takeover by American corporate-friendly authoritarians are all somewhat self-destructive responses to this reflexive hatred.
        
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        March 13, 2017 7:07am
- stephieboy
  
  reid , poor Vladimir must be really miffed by your “steller” geopolitical analysis .
  
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  March 12, 2017 7:25pm
  - reid3
    
    It’s quite obvious stephie, nothing steller about it.
    
    The reason you can’t see it of course is because it has nothing whatsoever to do with bananas, which is a shame, for you.
    
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    March 12, 2017 7:39pm
Fletch

How to get offended, with JP 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-mju_gW3c8
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March 12, 2017 7:13pm
Captain Mainwaring

The little angry prick spins out yet again.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/90342952/andrew-little-maori-king-is-abusing-his-office-by-endorsing-rahui-papa-for-the-maori-party

How can this end well?
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March 12, 2017 7:16pm
- reid3
  
  That’s propaganda to undermine Angry and boost MLP Cap’n.
  
  You can tell by the photo of angry they carefully selected from the library.
  
  Good spotting.
  
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  March 12, 2017 7:26pm
- realityczech
  
  Of course he is pissed off. He is the unpopular leader of the opposition, when in fact there is no opposition to National. Poor broken little man he is ?
  
  He needs to ruthlessly purge the party of the Klarkens sisterhood of radical feminists and raging lesbians.
  
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  March 12, 2017 7:28pm
  - stephieboy
    
    rc , now what does a sane centre right National have in common with an unwell alt right tard like you ?
    
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    March 12, 2017 7:31pm
    - realityczech
      
      I am actually a bit left of center retard. I just like fairness and ideas that work and benefit society.
      
      I also think countries have a right to protect their cultures and way of life from freaks like you.
      
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      March 12, 2017 7:54pm
realityczech

stephieboy
Ah White women. !
MARCH 12, 2017 12:32PM

stephieboy, you never did tell us what you and Ishmael want to do to the “white women” when you catch them ?

I’m curious, naturally ….
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March 12, 2017 7:31pm
stephieboy

rc , MARCH 12, 2017 12:32PM ???

What an earth is wrong with this ?

“..White women without a college degree supported Trump over Hillary Clinton by nearly a two to one margin. White women with a college degree were more evenly…”
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March 12, 2017 7:32pm
- realityczech
  
  How many black and Mexican, Obama supporters, have a degree stephieboy ?
  
  I already asked you what is your point ? But you won’t answer.
  
  Why won’t you answer and I am still waiting to hear what you boys want to do to the white women …??
  
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  March 12, 2017 7:39pm
stephieboy

I see Whale Blubber doesn’t make the top 10 Conservative sites on the Web but has not stopped him including himself at 13th,

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/03/whaleoil-included-best-14-conservative-sites-web/

He has interesting company that unsurprisingly includes Infowars ( easily could be no 3-WOW ! ) , Breitbart and Zero Hedge . Veterans Today ( a reid favourite ) for some reason misses out ,
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March 12, 2017 7:47pm
- realityczech
  
  This from a clown who thinks CNN is a credible source LOL 🙂
  
  Still waiting to hear your views on “white women” and people who don’t have “degrees” stupidboy ?
  
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  March 12, 2017 7:52pm
- reid3
  
  Try not to put words in other people’s mouths stupidboy.
  
  Still, the good thing is, when you do, it gives me a chance to call you stupidboy without risk of a ban. So….
  
  stupidboy, stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,stupidboy,
  
  is a complete and utter mental, so there.
  
  And don’t worry, I’ve just reported your post, as an example of what Maggy emailed DPF about on Saturday, so you don’t need to report this, I’ve already done it for you.
  
  Shame I had to explain the last bit, but I know if I didn’t, you’d lie awake tonight thinking WTF was reid saying?
  
  Wouldn’t you.
  
  No need to thank me.
  
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  March 12, 2017 8:51pm
Nev.

Haha wow vote for them…

If you got them both round to a barbecue Little would be one of the quieter guests, but his self-deprecating humour would make him popular with the blokes. Ardern would lend some glamour to any barbecue but it’s around the dinner table that she would really come into her own. She would likely be the one leading a passionate and noisy debate about the big issues of the day.

SO HOW DO THEY DO ON THE RELATIONSHIP TEST?

Ardern also nails it when she’s asked about the boss’s alcoholic beverage of choice.

“I believe he would start with a beer and follow with a wine.”

Little is spot on in the pineapple on pizza trick question – he reckons Ardern wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole, because she’s got good taste.

“I just think pineapple on pizza is an offence to the Italians,”Little says “And it makes the pastry soggy.”

Ardern, meanwhile, is diplomatic when asked to name Little’s most annoying habit. She hasn’t had time to spot one yet, she says.

When it comes to the qualities they admire most in each other, Ardern reckons it’s the fact that Little is “unflappable”.

“I certainly try to be but the level of calm he displays is superhuman.”

On Ardern, Little is admiring of her “very bright visage”.

“She lightens up a room,” he explains.

Pure politics comes into play, however, when they are asked asked which of them would be more likely to survive if stuck on a desert island.

“I would feel a personal failure if you died first,” Ardern tells Little. “So I think it would be a team effort.”

– Stuff
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March 12, 2017 8:00pm
- realityczech
  
  Arden is a brainless lefty bimbo who is not called out on her crap as she is not as pig ugly as the other lefty nut jobs. That does not make her a good person, or improve her crappy thinking.
  
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  March 12, 2017 8:04pm
- realityczech
  
  Jacinda Ardern
  Deputy Leader & MP for Mt Albert
  
  Career Highlights
  
  -Named a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader in 2014
  -Past President of IUSY, an international political youth organisation with headquarters in Vienna
  -Bachelor of Communication Studies from Waikato University
  
  http://www.labour.org.nz/jacindaardern
  
  “highlights” !!!! Bwwwwwwahahahahahaha 🙂
  
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  March 12, 2017 8:07pm
  - stigie
    
    But she has worked in the private sector, can’t you people see that she is just more than a pretty face ?
    Oh gawd, i feel sick !~
    
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    March 12, 2017 8:16pm
  - reid3
    
    Did it mention she only got her job in Tony Blair’s office which the media seem to think was really something, courtesy of Hulun’s special relationship with Tony, as a favour to the “daughter she never had?”
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @ Nev,
  I’d much rather read your résumé of a Stuff article than the article itself.
  
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  March 12, 2017 8:16pm
  - realityczech
    
    Careful Maggy, stephieboy is prowling around looking for “white women” today. If he approaches you show him your “degree” 🙂
    
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    March 12, 2017 8:23pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh heck, I’ll have to put my teeth in, now.
      
      I thought you fullas told me yesterday that stephieboy didn’t fancy brainy women.
      
      Yayhoo, this may be my lucky day.
      
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      March 12, 2017 8:29pm
      - nasska
        
        Mr Wassilieff will finally know how many camels his wife is worth. 🙂
        
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        March 12, 2017 8:38pm
      - realityczech
        
        He does this occasionally Maggy, to appear normal and avoid suspicion, so the boys down the mosque don’t throw him off a rooftop.
        
        He actually prefers boys and goats.
        
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        March 12, 2017 8:40pm
      - nasska
        
        Pretty goats! 🙂
        
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        March 12, 2017 8:42pm
      - stigie
        
        Billy goats !~
        
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        March 12, 2017 8:52pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilieff ,on 10/3 Griff noted that you appear to favour a certain Christopher Booker who not only is a climate change denier but also believes asbestos is harmless .
        
        Also something about crank magnetism .
        
        Please confirm and elucidate ?
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:00pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yes Billy Goats. stephieboy thinks women are filthy. Its a cultural thing.
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @nasska
        
        For dowry payment the hubby requires some Philistine foreskins.
        1 Samuel:18
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        me & Christopher Booker?
        
        No, no, no,
        that is a vicious lie..
        
        People are trying to turn you against me… can’t you see that?
        Don’t believe all these nasty things you are repeating about me….
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:05pm
      - Inandout
        
        I suspect stephie would prefer you leave your teeth out; if you know what I mean.
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:11pm
      - nasska
        
        I just had a look at the Good Book & apparently the undiscounted bride rate is 200 foreskins Maggy.
        
        Would you be so good as to ask Mr Wassilieff if he’ll take layby or hire purchase? 🙂
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:11pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilieff ,thats fine . Griff also mentioned a whacko by the name of Rog Tallbloke that he claims you’ve linked to ?
        
        Also creationist and climate denier Dr Roy ?
        
        Maybe you should take it up with Griff the next time he posts . Like to see the fireworks display .
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:19pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy,
        
        Ok, Ok, Ok, ….
        Rog Tallbloke, Dr Roy, Chris Booker… they are in my past…I’m over them.
        Let’s move on.
        (It’s ungentlemanly to keep referring to a Lady’s history)
        I just really want to know your true intents.
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:26pm
      - realityczech
        
        One of the sites stephieboy links to:
        
        “Putin Massively Influenced by Jewish, Illuministic/Masonic, National, Doomsday Ideologies. Been Planning WWIII for 10 years”
        
        http://new.euro-med.dk/20151008-putin-massively-influenced-by-jewish-illuministicmasonic-national-doomsday-ideologies.php
        
        You be the judge dear reader 🙂
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:26pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc, hopefully this is another of your fancy flights into parody or is lunacy ?
        
        reid might make himself available for free therapy sessions .
        
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        March 12, 2017 9:36pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy at 9.00pm:
        
        Maggy Wassilieff ,on 10/3 Griff noted that you appear to favour a certain Christopher Booker who not only is a climate change denier but also believes asbestos is harmless .
        Also something about crank magnetism .
        Please confirm and elucidate ?
        
        Stephieboy at 9.19pm:
        
        Griff also mentioned a whacko by the name of Rog Tallbloke that he claims you’ve linked to ?
        Also creationist and climate denier Dr Roy ?
        
        You know something, Stephieboy, now might be a good time to apologise for associating Maggy with neo-Nazi organisations when (to my knowledge) she’s never linked to one of their websites or expressed support for neo-Nazi views. Or are you even less of a man than David Cunliffe, who’s happy to apologise for simply being a man?
        
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        March 12, 2017 10:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@nasska

don’t play those tricks here….
It’s advance payment to the supplier, always!
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March 12, 2017 9:20pm
reid3

If you have sky and interested in Fukushima check RT right now, doco on, on the fallout.

They’re lying about it and always have been.

Again.
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March 12, 2017 9:37pm
- stephieboy
  
  reid , a link could be helpful.
  
  Here’s two,
  
  Oh, Fukushima
  
  A chart purportedly showing radioactive water seeping into the ocean from the Fukushima nuclear plant actually depicts something else.
  
  http://www.snopes.com/photos/technology/fukushima.asp
  
  Plus,
  
  https://www.metabunk.org/tags/fukushima/
  
  Sigh !
  
  It could only be on RT
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:43pm
  - reid3
    
    reid , a link could be helpful.
    
    As I said stupidboy, it’s on sky, not the interweb.
    
    This is why we call you stupidboy.
    
    I note you’re not doing very well attracting Maggy, either.
    
    What’s the matter?
    
    Bit shy?
    
    She’s not a goat, or at least the kind you’re used to? The ones with the curly eyebrows?
    
    You can tell us stephie. We really care, you know.
    
    Kind of.
    
    Sometimes.
    
    Actually some of us may not really care at all stephie. You should watch out for those ones.
    
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    March 12, 2017 9:47pm
    - stephieboy
      
      reid , simply refute the issues my links raise .
      
      Keep things simple !
      
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      March 12, 2017 10:53pm
- realityczech
  
  Reid you know stupidboy forbids people listening to RT.
  
  stephieboy, you know RT believes the world is a globe and the moon exists ? I guess that means it ain’t true in your world. Stuuuupid.
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:49pm
cha

Friends in high places.

//

Several were involved in a case against Viktor Bout, the convicted arms dealer now in federal prison in the United States, and in a drug-trafficking case against a Russian pilot, Konstantin Yaroshenko.

The most high-profile among those barred is Preet Bharara, the United States attorney in Manhattan, who oversaw prosecution of the Bout case.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/world/europe/russia-bars-18-americans-in-tit-for-tat-on-rights.html
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March 12, 2017 9:58pm
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  So?
  
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  March 12, 2017 9:59pm
  - cha
    
    Anna Chapman.
    
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    March 12, 2017 11:17pm
Manolo

The Netherlands harvest the handsome rewards of multiculturalism:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-europe-netherlands-idUSKBN16I07O?il=0

Turkey told the Netherlands on Sunday that it would retaliate in the “harshest ways” after Turkish ministers were barred from speaking in Rotterdam in a row over Ankara’s political campaigning among Turkish emigres.

Hundreds of protesters waving Turkish flags gathered outside, demanding to see the minister.

Dutch police used dogs and water cannon early on Sunday to disperse the crowd, which threw bottles and stones. Several demonstrators were beaten by police with batons, a Reuters witness said. They carried out charges on horseback, while officers advanced on foot with shields and armored vans.
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March 13, 2017 5:38am
Manolo

Merkel’s monumental blunder:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4305874/Merkel-left-borders-open-fearing-clashes-look-bad.html
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March 13, 2017 7:39am
krazykiwi

May have been posted already … but this
BBC News live cross to a scientist at home is gold

😀
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