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Keeping Stock

So the first cracks are appearing in the MoU between Labour and the Greens; oh dear:

Labour and the Greens say they have dropped plans to cut electoral “deals” in closely-fought electorates at this year’s general election.

The two parties had planned to discuss strategic campaigning in marginal seats as part of their agreement to work together until the election.

Such a move would have been critical in electorates such as Auckland Central, where National’s Nikki Kaye beat Labour’s Jacinda Ardern by just 600 votes in 2014 while the Green candidate took 2000 votes.

It may have also had an impact in the Maori seats, given the Maori Party and Mana Movement have agreed to step aside in at least two electorates this year to give the other party a clear run.

Not only will Mana leader Hone Harawira face no opposition from a Maori Party candidate in Te Tai Tokerau this year, the Greens will run a candidate there for the first time, creating another possible hurdle for Labour’s incumbent MP Kelvin Davis.

National could also continue its policy of directing its supporters to vote for United Future’s Peter Dunne in Ohariu and the Act candidate in Epsom, while encouraging them to give their party vote to National.

Labour leader Andrew Little said that following discussions between the parties, both Labour and Greens had decided they would back themselves “with our own electoral commitments”.

They had various reasons for running their own candidates in all the electorates, he said. The Greens did it to campaign for the party vote, and Labour always planned to compete in every electorate because it was one of the two big political parties, he said.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11791392

The polls would beg to differ with Mr Little. When Labour is polling in the mid-20’s, it’s a bit rich for Little to claim his party as “one of the two big political parties”.
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January 31, 2017 8:03am
- Nostradamus
  
  Keeping Stock:
  
  Don’t rely on the NZ Herald – MickySavage is the go-to man for an independent analysis:
  
  I attended the joint Labour-Green state of the Nation launch yesterday in Mt Albert and it was impressive. It was a very comfortable event. There were many, many Auckland Labour activists in attendance. And there were many, many Green activists as well. I have spent a fair bit of time campaigning with both and to have them all in the same room at the same time was a very enjoyable experience.
  
  MickySavage says “many, many” twice. It sounds like they found the missing million on Sunday…
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:16am
  - sooty
    
    Just no members of the public there!
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:18am
    - eandlbufe
      
      There were more people at the gathering than were following them on their live stream broad cast. That has to tell us something, maybe just maybe who cares.
      
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      January 31, 2017 12:46pm
  - holysheet
    
    Oh dear, where were the voters? If all they can get to support them are party activists to their Nation launch, what chance have they in 10 months?
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:22am
  - peterwn
    
    That is the only really sensible outcome for the two parties. Can one possibly imagine Grant Robertson stepping aside to give James Shaw a clear run? This despite Grant being utterly dependent on Green voters to win the seat, but he knows the Green voters will vote tactically to keep the National candidate out. So if it is not going to happen in Wellington Central that is the end of the idea. Also ‘deals’ of this sort would make them sitting ducks for criticism when they claim National is going easy in Epsom and Ohariu. Labour and Greens realise the importance of having an ambassador in each electroate to campaign for the Party Vote. Some years ago National did not stand a candidate in Wellington Central to give ACT a clear run and while National had a pseudo candidate to campaign for the party vote that person was ‘locked out’ of local ‘meet the candidates’ meeting.
    Interestingly National has not run candidates in the Maori seats for the last 12 years because the number of votes gained (candidate and list) is just not worth the effort.
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:38am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I’d suggest that there were few few of the missing missing million million there on Sunday Sunday.
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:44am
  - Peter
    
    I saw a few minutes of the web broadcast. The co-co-co-leader was speaking.
    
    Empty platitudes met by empty heads clapping. Offered nothing at all. Literally.
    
    I suspect they are still trying to win by default.
    
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    January 31, 2017 9:41am
  - KevinH
    
    Mickey said many many because he was in an echo chamber.
    
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    January 31, 2017 10:17am
- mandk
  
  I’m still waiting for the deluded lefties over at The Standard to tell me how the MoU will gain Labour and the Greens a single vote.
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:20am
- pdm
  
  What happens if Julie-Ann Genter wins Mt. Albert in a few weeks?
  
  Oh I know – all hell breaks loose and the MOU disappears into thin air.
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:20am
  - alex Masterley
    
    For what it is worth, a few of my mates who, as I do, live in Mt Albert and vote National are going to hold our noses and vote green.
    If JAG were to get in the fun would really start.
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:50am
dime

i know i rant about our media but dam..

stuff yesterday – US Dollar and Stocks TUMBLE over “muslim ban”.

1) its not a muslim ban.
2) Dime sees headline and goes fuck! Dime buys a lot of US dollars for work, so jumps online thinking he’s in for a windfall.. the dollar was just under .73.. tumble?? its higher than it has been in months! and yes, it pulled back .005 or something..
3) checks the dow – down 0.04%. this morning its a touch under the newly achieved 20,000 mark.

headline should have read – dollar & dow normal.

my trust in the media is almost zero at this point.

i trust them (barely) to report sports scores to me.
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January 31, 2017 8:04am
- cmm
  
  They’re in full retard mode. There were no less than 6 Trump hit-pieces running concurrently on stuff yesterday.
  
  No real mention that:
  
  * Those “banned” Muslim countries are not outright bans. They just apply more stringent screening.
  * All the countries were identified under Obama’s watch to be heightened risk. Trump didn’t just go off half cocked.
  
  Banning Muslims or others is clearly not the issue. No outrage when Obama banned immigration from Iraq for 6 months in 2009.
  Nor any when Obama put severe restrictions on people from Venezuela last year.
  
  Nope, the real point is just pure anti-Trump outrage.
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:17am
  - jonar
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    the real point is just pure anti-Trump outrage
    
    Did Obama’s orders cause the chaos that Trump’s did? Did Obama’s orders exclude green card holders etc? Did Obama consult Homeland Security before making the order?
    
    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/
    
    It wasn’t until Friday — the day Trump signed the order banning travel from seven Muslim-majority countries for 90 days and suspending all refugee admission for 120 days — that career homeland security staff were allowed to see the final details of the order, a person familiar with the matter said.
    The result was widespread confusion across the country on Saturday as airports struggled to adjust to the new directives. In New York, two Iraqi nationals sued the federal government after they were detained at John F. Kennedy International Airport, and 10 others were detained as well.
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:30am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      Yeah caused chaos for about 180 travelers so far. Such chaos, much outrage.
      
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      January 31, 2017 8:43am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Chaos? Only 109 people out of 325,000 odd travelling were detained for questioning.
      The people are happy.
      “Most voters approve of President Trump’s temporary halt to refugees and visitors from several Middle Eastern and African countries until the government can do a better job of keeping out individuals who are terrorist threats.
      A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here.”
      
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      January 31, 2017 8:48am
      - jonar
        
        Only 109 people out of 325,000 odd travelling were detained for questioning
        
        That’s a very narrow view of what happened. It ignores people not being sure of whether they could leave the country and return. Those outside the country not sure whether they could return. American companies advising staff not to leave etc.
        
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        January 31, 2017 9:51am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Apparently most of the disruption was caused by the protests, and by misinformation on who the ban actually affects.
        
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        January 31, 2017 10:15am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I’m sure that stirring up trouble to get (more) negative press coverage of the ban would have nothing to do with it…
        
        And I like this: ” If you are horrified by what you see Trump doing, is it because when Obama did things like that you just didn’t see? Or did everything look different because it was Obama doing them?”
        
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        January 31, 2017 10:16am
  - calendar girl
    
    On the BBC News site right now, 6 out of the 10 “Most Read” stories are Trump-related. No sense of balance anywhere in important times.
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:43am
  - Fletch
    
    Someone commented on a NZ Herald Facebook post –
    
    “That’s 16 trump hysteria stories posted to your Facebook page in the last 12 hours.”
    
    The media have totally lost it. They are not even pretending at objectively reporting any more.
    
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    January 31, 2017 11:35am
  - oldpark
    
    @CMM 8.17 am
    
    Who would have believed it,NZ Muslim women called for NZ TO BREAK OFF DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH USA.
    
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    January 31, 2017 11:41am
- Longknives
  
  Did the same this morning Dime- Got a fright with the headline screaming that the Markets are ‘plummeting’ because of Trump but reality is everything is Business as Usual.
  
  As for the ‘Muslim Ban’…What a fucking joke. Obama did the same thing a few years ago!
  
  As for the NZ Media- Go back to reporting what Lorde thinks and that Trump is ‘afraid of stairs’…
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:25am
- Rich Prick
  
  I wonder how it must feel for the precious dears, when, as they try their best to opine and scribble with such impotency, it dawns on them that they have the ability to change absolutely nothing?
  
  Does the hyperbole just get bigger? Or does it end?
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:52am
- virtualmark
  
  Dime,
  
  As I write the Dow, S&P500 & Nasdaq are all down 0.9%-1.0% and earlier in the day the Nasdaq was down 1.4%. It’s the biggest down-day since Trump’s election.
  
  The Dow opened 0.5% down and then dropped from there, so not sure where you saw it at 0.04% down.
  
  As far as the markets are concerned they like Trump’s talk about tax & regulatory reform, but so far there’s been no detail of what that will actually look like. In the meantime as Bloomberg is reporting “Investors in general are feeling Trump is a bit reckless”.
  
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  January 31, 2017 9:26am
  - dime
    
    i checked yesterday. at that time it was down 0.04%. that is also the figure in the shitty article.
    
    so the headline totally mismatched the story – the point of my post.
    
    check the stock market pre nov 8 and check it now. a slight upswing.
    
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    January 31, 2017 9:37am
    - virtualmark
      
      Right now it’s Monday in the US. So anything you checked yesterday would have been Friday’s numbers.
      
      The immigration stuff only kicked off since close of markets on Friday. I’d suggest the falls in Monday’s trading are in large part due to that turmoil.
      
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      January 31, 2017 9:41am
      - dime
        
        yeah thats great but you are missing the point.
        
        stuff report the stocks TUMBLING.
        
        based on the futures drop of 0.04%.
        
        but if we are addressing the actual fall – normal market flucuation. way too soon to conclude if the immigration thing has had real impact.
        
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        January 31, 2017 9:53am
      - virtualmark
        
        Well, if you’re referring to this Stuff article … http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/88907063/shares-us-dollar-retreat-on-trumps–travel-ban-and-weak-us-gdp … it refers to Asian stocks retreating in Monday trading, which is true.
        
        Yes, one view is today is a normal market fluctuation. But those fluctuations usually have a trigger and I’d say the immigration stuff is that trigger today. Trump is generating uncertainty and uncertainty brings out emotion.
        
        I run an investment fund investing in US stocks, so I track the US economy and markets closely. All the commentary today is that markets are down on the immigration chaos.
        
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        January 31, 2017 10:00am
- howitis
  
  The media repeaters’ heads exploded on 8/11.
  November 8 2016.
  Now 12 weeks later they are a pile of mashed potato with the wisdom that entails.
  Read/watch for entertainment of giant exploding heads but not for information.
  
  I was surprised and disappointed from a trip earlier in the Month to Australia where the media attack is more co-ordinated and people literally quote the BS to you as if it is fact…then get steamy and screamy if you calmly point out facts.
  
  They were concurrently concerned about the decline in the PISA educational ratings.
  I see the two as related, with Marxist education working.
  
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  January 31, 2017 9:51am
- oldpark
  
  Yet the defacto Muslim Obama has come out and is fanning the flames when he tells the Anti Donald Trump protestors to keep up supporting his Muslim Associates.
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:00am
EAD

I commented on this last night but I’d like to reiterate just how disgusting it was watching the Main Sewer Media with their Knee-jerk reactions immediately blaming U.S. President Donald Trump, the fake #MuslimBan, white nationalists, Islamophobia, racists, etc before they knew who did it. That it was 2 Muslims must be absolutely gutting to them as yet again the public is witness to who the real purveyors of “fake news” are.

Even today, that disgusting excuse for a Prime Minister Justin Trudeau after going all in yesterday with his commitment to flood Canada with the 3rd world, is still spouting off nonsense about this being a terrorist attack against Muslims . More a case of “family violence” I’d say.
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January 31, 2017 8:05am
- Inandout
  
  Justin bin Trudeau is a typical example of a Lefty marshmallow who has never had to work at a real job is his privileged life. Just loves Muslims to the point of obsession.
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:13am
  - fernglas
    
    Confused reporting over this; it may be that there is a sole attacker and the Muslim arrested is a witness. Too early to jump to conclusions.
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:16am
    - kowtow
      
      If it’s so early how does Trudeau get to call it anti Muslim terror?
      
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      January 31, 2017 8:36am
      - fernglas
        
        It’s anti-muslim, obviously. And the definition of terror is, loosely speaking, using violence for ideological or political reasons, so I don’t think he’s far off the mark.
        
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        January 31, 2017 8:45am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Did he say a terrorist attack or terrorists were attacked? I suppose either could be correct.
        
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        January 31, 2017 8:59am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Not anti-muslim, like the attacks on Jews as anti-zionist, it’s really anti-Islamist, just that the targets look so similar it’s hard to be sure…
        
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        January 31, 2017 10:19am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I think it is clear that the shooter yelled “Allu Akbar”.
      
      I do not think this has been contradicted.
      
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      January 31, 2017 8:41am
      - PhilBest
        
        My first thought was that this could be two militant Islamists attacking Muslims who are guilty of being “moderate” and hence apostate. After all, why is by far the greatest proportion of deaths from Muslim terrorism, that of Muslims, in Muslim countries?
        
        Sunni versus Shia terror is another component.
        
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        January 31, 2017 8:57am
      - SGA
        
        On the other hand, a number of people on Kiwiblog, for example, use “Allu Akbar” in a derisive, mocking way when referring to Muslims, so I’m not sure how much to read into that. Time will tell.
        
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        January 31, 2017 9:31am
    - Inandout
      
      http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/01/30/daily-beast-falls-shooting-suspect-hoax-publishes-fake-news/
      
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      January 31, 2017 9:07am
    - Rich Prick
      
      The names are out now and guess what? They aren’t Bob and Dereck.
      
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      January 31, 2017 10:01am
      - mikenmild
        
        Alexandre Bissonnette is the name, apparently.
        
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        January 31, 2017 10:06am
      - SGA
        
        “They aren’t Bob and Dereck.”
        Well, no – Alexandre Bissonnette is the sole name. Your point?
        
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        January 31, 2017 10:07am
      - Rich Prick
        
        “Mohamed Khadir” would suggest inter-branch violence. Not the anti-Islam sentiment being peddled by some media.
        
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        January 31, 2017 10:33am
- Paulus
  
  It appears very simple to me – Trump, like it or not, took the US Election in accordance with the Constitution.
  He made it quite clear what his policy was going to be and he is in the process of implementing these policies.
  Some 80,000,000 odd people voted for him and would be pissed off if he did not undertake these policies.
  No different to New Zealand in that respect.
  Should any party in this country not undertake their pre election promises then all hell would let loose, as often tried by the so called media.
  But to Democrats( Socialists) it is different.
  I may not like Trumps short term immigration policy but remember Obama did similar.
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:18am
wiseowl

Happened to catch sickening moaning report briefly this morning.
English interviewed by the obnoxious Espinner and frankly if I was English I would have told this disrespectful arsehole where to stick his interview after 5 seconds.
What an arrogant sod.
Is the policy racist he says when it is not about race.

English should be supporting Trump all the way and not falling into the msm channel of towing the left line.
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January 31, 2017 8:11am
- Ross12
  
  Agree wiseowl.
  I think English has been very poorly advised on this issue. But being the experienced politician he is, he should know a bit of recent USA political history (recent, as in the last decade)
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  Too many of them either agree with the MSM line or are shit scared of the getting the Trump treatment.
  
  Like it or not the commie fuckers have a lot of power , look at what they did to Brash , and that was a deliberate campaign of vilification to ensure he was made unelectable, likewise Abbott . The Canadian media did similar to Harper.
  
  Simple fact is , being the leftists they are , they hate genuine conservatives. See how Turnbull has avoided the same , despite being the rich white prick they hate and whom they should normally also attack relentlessly, they don’t as he’s a wet , a progressive , a republican , he’s pro marriage parody .
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:43am
  - EAD
    
    The thing that always makes me think and ponder is when did “racism” become the lens through which we must see the world and apparently the world’s most heinous thought crime?
    
    No other country outside of White Christian nations press carries on like this, its almost as if our MSM has been infected with foreign bodies hell bent on our destruction.
    
    I always say – if we really were so called “racist” anyway, why does most of the world want to come in live in our countries?
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:49am
    - PhilBest
      
      Yes, Europeans are happily making friends, partners and spouses out of Indians, Asians, Middle Easterners, whatever – often second-generation, assimilated ones. Almost nobody has any problem with this.
      
      But mention one particular religion – not a race at all – and you are a “racist”. Even if you have a wife of another race yourself or play in a mixed-race music group or whatever!
      
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      January 31, 2017 9:01am
      - Komata
        
        PB
        
        As you’ve noticed, the criteria for being ‘racist’ is an infinite variable and is used by the accuser whenever they cannot respond to a logical argument. It is, if you will, such people’s fall-back’, default, line. They have nothing else .
        
        They have, however, been taught that in such situations the word trumps absolutely everything else, and use it on that basis.
        
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        January 31, 2017 10:42am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I think people are confusing “racism” with “identity politics.”
      
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      January 31, 2017 9:02am
    - Kabull
      
      This guy also blows away the MSM bias/propoganda:
      “Jay Fayza uses facts and statistics to show that whites and western nations are the least racist and bigoted people on earth contrary to lies told by liberal media and academia.”
      https://youtu.be/HEYVCNgYA6s
      
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      January 31, 2017 11:26am
    - Scorpion
      
      Surely
      Saudi Arabia, Israel and Communist China
      who all promote Multi- Culturalism
      
      Will be happy to give a welcome and demonstration
      on how we should all get along?
      
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      January 31, 2017 10:26pm
  - PhilBest
    
    You didn’t mention John Key. Another case of a so-called conservative politician adopting all the left’s shibboleths to curry favour with them.
    
    Why do we bother to have elections at all? Why don’t we just appoint a Junta made up of Brian Rudman, Lizzie Marvelly, Dave Armstrong, Rachel Stewart, John Roughan, etc etc?
    
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    January 31, 2017 9:04am
    - itstricky
      
      Why don’t we just appoint a Junta made up of Brian Rudman, Lizzie Marvelly…
      
      Or you could just stop reading the Herald and go off to some echo chamber sites. You’ll probably be much happier with the opinion pieces there. So will wiseowl.
      
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      January 31, 2017 9:33am
BarryB

What a revolutionary idea……!

Trumps new Executive order – for every new regulation that is requested by ‘The Regulators” they have to list two that will be removed.

He must be in contact with the Almighty because no one else has ever thought of that sort of helpful idea – even a guy who said “Yes we can”. (Although I do recall something that Regan said – which was “The most frightening thing a small business owner can hear is ‘Im from the Government and Im here to help you’ )

(Thats been my beef with the PPTA and the NZEI every time the moan about teacher load – they never have suggested that something be removed every time a new requirement is put on teachers)
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January 31, 2017 8:12am
- howitis
  
  That was clearly in his policy list last year for those who took note of them.
  I thought it was a great idea.
  Labour 1980s (you know, the one right of National 2016) proposed sunset clauses in legislation but I did not see this acted out.
  
  The President is is enacting what he was elected by the people to do.
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:01am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I know it has intuitive appeal but it’s actually a terrible idea, and not that revolutionary either – they’ve been doing it in the UK for a while, with no noticeable benefits but a vast increase in bureaucracy and perverse incentives on bureaucrats.
  
  If an existing regulation is creating more costs than benefits, then it ought to be scrapped anyway – without waiting until there is a new regulation with which to replace it.
  
  If it’s creating more benefits than costs, then scrapping it will create more costs than benefits.
  
  If there is a proposal for a new regulation that is expected to deliver more benefits than costs, then we shouldn’t have to wait for those benefits while the department scrabbles around to find a regulation that can be scrapped in its place.
  
  This would only encourage departments to keep rubbish regulations in place, to trade-off when they want to introduce new regulation – rather than looking to reform them as soon as it becomes clear that they’re rubbish.
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:41am
Paulus

I actually read the two papers given to the MOU Party conference.
It appears to me that the Union Party are being taken for suckers by Greenpeace.
Simply it implies that all the Greenpeace run Party want to do is take votes of the Union Party.
There are only so many left wing votes – not enough to get into Government but there is the ability to redivide these votes.
That is what Greenpeace Party are doing, and well, by taking votes from the Union Party to increase their seats in Parliament
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January 31, 2017 8:12am
Tookinator

Well here is my interview on the front page of today’s Dom Post.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/88901093/national-organ-donation-review-result-due-mid2017-amid-calls-for-opt-out-system

Unfortunately they have ‘confused’ some of my interview. I should clarify. I have not pushed for an ‘Opt Out’ system. I have said that it should be ‘considered’ if new measures don’t work. Again to clarify my position, I want to see a ‘binding’ organ donor register where people’s wishes to be a donor (or not) are legally upheld. (I.e. families cannot veto your wish) and then if this system does not work maybe a look at the opt out system, (There is no opt out system in the world where the family can not object.)
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January 31, 2017 8:21am
Padriv Ustoev

Yakshe maash Kiwi blog.

My wife 4b is doing Allah’s work in subjugating the west.

Sadly it turns out years of drug and alcohol abuse have made her vegine barren like the left’s sense of logic. So she making up for that by negotiating the import of fresh Muslim blood to the decadent West.

Great success.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/88913870/lindsay-lohan-gets-political-meeting-with-turkeys-president-at-home-to-talk-refugees
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January 31, 2017 8:27am
- holysheet
  
  She has found someone who is a big hrrum. You have lost her.
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:40am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Lies, I’m there with her right now. I just don’t like photos.
    
    Me and Erdogan are best friend. I get racing camel Erdogan get racing camel. I pretend to like West, Erdogan pretend too, I get beautiful wife 4b. Erdogan can’t because his country is still technically secular so no Sharia.
    
    Joke on him.
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:50am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You are truly blessed with wife 4b. and her work for World Peace.
  When she sends her thankyou card to Turkey’s President, perhaps she could request a spin in one of his new Fighter jets.
  https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/28/theresa-may-signs-100m-fighter-jet-deal-with-turkeys-erdogan
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:53am
virtualmark

Trumpettes!

Back in November 2015 Trump said that he knew more about ISIS than the generals did.

In September 2016 Kellyanne Conway said that she’d heard the Don’s secret plan to defeat ISIS and said that Trump would share specifics in the next televised debate. Which he didn’t do.

Then on Saturday Trump signed a National Security memorandum ordering the generals to come up with a plan to defeat ISIS.

Explain to me what I’m missing here. Shouldn’t Trump be telling the generals his plan? Because he knows more than them right?

Or is the real secret that Trump never had a plan, and that he was just talking out of his a#$e?
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January 31, 2017 8:37am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Yawn…..
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:41am
- holysheet
  
  Like every other politician he said things to get elected. Once they get elected it changes. At least with Trump, most of what he is doing now was signaled before the election.
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:43am
- mikenmild
  
  I see that at the same time Trump also ordered that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the Director of National Intelligence should no longer serve as principals on the National Security Council, while adding his political strategist instead.
  Insulating himself from professional advice that might contradict his fantasies.
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:01am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Like Obama appointed Susan Rice to the same ? And her military and/or intelligence experience was …..?
    
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    January 31, 2017 10:24am
    - mikenmild
      
      Um, Susan Rice was the National Security Adviser, and a diplomat and security expert of long standing, so I’m not sure what point you are trying to make.
      
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      January 31, 2017 11:34am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Yes, she was the NSA, but had zero experience for the role. Previously she was a staffer for various Democrats, nothing overseas, nothing military, nothing intelligence. Security expert, self described maybe.
        
        Also a rank failure and apparently compulsive liar, but maybe that’s just what she was told to do…
        
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        January 31, 2017 10:15pm
- OTGO
  
  His plan was to talk to the generals
  
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  January 31, 2017 2:00pm
- Scorpion
  
  30+ attacks on day 1
  
  they are and hopefully all their supporters
  and quite a few appeasers
  
  ARE GOING TO BE WIPED OFF THE FACE OF
  THE EARTH
  
  It is going to be GREAT TO WATCH
  and there Will be
  
  VERY FEW IF ANY PRISONERS
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:31pm
Stars And Stripes

Trump’s ban revives refugee quota debate
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/323441/trump's-ban-revives-refugee-quota-debate.

Really????.
I actually thought it was just the same old faces in partnership with the media pushing the same argument but adding the Trump dimension for further hype.
Sorry no more refugees as taxpaying New Zealanders needs should come before all others.
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January 31, 2017 8:41am
- PhilBest
  
  The government shouldn’t be letting in immigrants until it has sorted out the housing supply problem.
  
  I am not anti immigration per se, I am anti multiculturalism and relativism, which are the cause of immigration becoming a problem – along with governments letting the country go too deep into infrastructure deficit for its existing population, let alone more.
  
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  January 31, 2017 9:07am
  - Scott
    
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444402/trump-muslim-ban-goal-ban-sharia-supremacists-not-all-muslims
    
    Very good article explaining that Trump’s Executive order is a temporary ban for the purposes of immediately securing public safety while the government sorts out a more permanent solution. Also the seven countries selected for the travel ban were the countries identified by the Obama administration as training and equipping jihadists right now.
    
    Trump quite rightly wants to keep jihadists and radical islamists out of his country. Andy Little on the other hand does not.
    
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    January 31, 2017 10:11am
Keeping Stock

Another interesting morsel, tucked down at the very bottom of the Herald’s story about Labour and the Greens (emphasis mine):

Former Internet Party leader Laila Harre, who rejoined Labour last year, had said there was a remote possibility she would seek the Auckland Central nomination.

But she said today she was now more likely to play an organisational role within the party rather than run for Parliament.

Obviously all the puff pieces done on Ms Harre in the MSM and on left-aligned blogs such as Spin-Off have gone down like a cup full of cold sick.

Labour seems to have reached the conclusion we all already knew; Laila Harre is still tainted from her association with the “toxic” Dotcom brand, and will turn voters off.
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January 31, 2017 8:43am
waikatogirl

Why do these snowflakes believe that Queen Elizabeth needs saving from meeting Donald Trump? A petition to prevent her meeting going ahead has been presented to the British Govt.

Queen Elizabeth has been quite capable over the last 60 years dealing with bully boy African leaders, and others from hellhole countries around the world.

I am positive Trump will be nothing but charming in the presence of the British Sovereign, unlike Hulun who made it more than obvious to the queen that she had no respect for the Crown.
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January 31, 2017 8:51am
- Fletch
  
  Liberals: Banning people from countries is awful.
  
  Also liberals: Sign this petition to ban someone from our country!
  
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  January 31, 2017 11:42am
- PhilP
  
  Like turning up in jacket and pants to meet her.
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:18pm
Inandout

Uh, oh..ISIS is not happy with Trump.

“The madman Trump is still ignorant of politics, science and culture,” IS supporter Abu Maslama wrote to his associates on the Telegram app. “That Islam-hating Crusader prevents Muslims from entering America. That failed Nazi thinks that this will stop the mujahedeen from striking his country. Doesn’t he understand that his country will implode? When that happens, he’ll panic and backpedal on his Islam-hating policies.”

Just shows Trump’s actions are correct. Whether he strokes Islam or pokes a stick at them, the outcome will be the same.

And he continues:

“The confrontations with the blacks that started under the donkey Obama will repeat itself, but this time in a much broader way among the Americans. And the Muslims will exploit these confrontations to strike in the heart of the infidel country. Don’t think victory will come on its own. It will emanate from their stupidity and their criminal acts that attest to their hatred of Islam. Allah in his wisdom will strengthen the mujahedeen and lead them to victory.”
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January 31, 2017 8:53am
- holysheet
  
  When the shit heads start complaining about Trump raining down shit on them, you know it is having an effect. Long may it continue.
  
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  January 31, 2017 9:42am
Happychappy

We have a situation in NZ where we have Labour Leader Andrew Little throwing mud at Bill English by saying he might be Prime Minister but he is not a leader and is weak because he won’t back down to Maori or implement Labours and the media policy and condemn US President Donald Trump. this coming from a Leader that lost the largest numbers of Union Membership from the Union movement in their history, also this Leader the Labour candidate that stood in the safe seat of New Plymouth twice and lost by a massive number of votes. Can you imagine if John Key had raised that he had cancer eight years ago and that had inspired to become the Prime Minister of NZ Labour would have pulled Pete Hodgson out of retirement and teamed him up with his former partner in crime Mike Williams and sent them overseas to dig dirt on John Key having cancer eight years ago. Without trying to play down what families go through with love ones having cancer I am sorry but Andrew Little has played the card of the sympathy vote to try and achieve his dream of becoming the PM of NZ while Bill English has helped NZ come through tough times caused by the World Financial Crisis in which NZ is still prospering from, so that’s what Leaders are made of not people that pump their own chests out.
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January 31, 2017 8:57am
RF

When is Angry going to wake up and realise that dumping his Mr. Magoo glasses and wearing contacts is not going to make him the next PM.

Window dressing did not work for Goofy or Cunners so it sure as hell is not going to help him.

Tell the man he’s dreaming.
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January 31, 2017 9:00am
- holysheet
  
  worked for hulun
  
  http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_oJiMWwc0u3w/TU4lw7HiSHI/AAAAAAAABTU/qaGofVV3EiA/s240/clarkhelenundp.jpg
  
  https://zammerman.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/helen_clark_21.jpg
  
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  January 31, 2017 9:48am
  - RF
    
    No no not the teeth…. Shit she looked at me. I will go blind.
    
    I hope Angry is brushing up on his welcome speech.
    
    “Welcome home your highness. I was just keeping the throne warm for you.”
    
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    January 31, 2017 1:08pm
  - PhilP
    
    Yes and Angry will be photo-shopped with a huge bulge in his trousers if the carpet is anything to go by!
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:23pm
Inandout

Now imagine if a German mosque was robbed to finance a right wing political party, it would be described as a hate crime. But muzzies doing it to finance ISIS, well that is just burglary.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/30/seven-found-guilty-robbing-german-churches-finance-jihad/
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January 31, 2017 9:04am
- itstricky
  
  Imagine if it actually said that. Imagine if they didn’t just make up a headline.
  
  In Monday’s ruling, judges said it was unclear whether the funds they generated were actually used to support armed jihad and if so, to what extent.
  
  Now imagine if breitbart didn’t participate in off-the-scales exaggeration to the point of lair-lair-pants-on-fire less than a month ago:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News#False_report_of_Muslim_mob_in_Germany
  
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  January 31, 2017 9:24am
  - Inandout
    
    Wiki, mmmm…I think I will stick with Breitbart’s version.
    
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    January 31, 2017 10:27am
  - Flash
    
    To be consistent with the rhyme it should be
    “lair-lair-pants-on-lair” 🙂
    
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    January 31, 2017 10:29am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Off the scales exaggeration’ – snigger
    Ever seen CNN?
    This is funny.
    ‘She’s proving my point!’ Lol
    http://www.billoreilly.com/video/video-of-the-day?vid=387869106666690359#play
    
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    January 31, 2017 10:35am
Manolo

Will the UK government bow to the pressure?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/uk-under-pressure-cancel-trump-state-visit-105610611.html

British Prime Minister Theresa May on Monday refused to back down on inviting US President Donald Trump for a glitzy state visit, despite a petition gaining more than a million signatures and protesters rallying outside Downing Street.
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January 31, 2017 9:16am
- waripori
  
  There is no way Teresa May will not have Trump visit the UK. I watched her speech to the Republican retreat on Friday. She said Putin was illegally occupying crimea, invoked the spirit of Reagan and Thatcher in standing up to Russia, stated that Nato was Britains most important treaty and said the Iran nuclear deal was working well. Trump said they got on fantastically well. She has him where she wants him and if he does turn up in the UK he will probably buy back the Brooklyn bridge and give the UK tariff free access to the USA. No American has ever been able to resist a visit to Buck house and I bet Trump will be more sucked in than most.
  
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  January 31, 2017 11:23am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The Americans’ ousted the Crown from the USA during the Revolution but most are very impressed with the British royalty, and LOVE the Queen. All that royal history, the pomp and ceremony that the USA cannot have.
    
    The Donald will love visiting Buck House. And he would not be able to attend without the Queen’s invitation.
    
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    January 31, 2017 12:55pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …and QEII, being the good constitutional monarch that she is, will take the advice of her Prime Minister. Plus, no matter what one thinks of Trump and his politics, as the UK’s Head of State, she has probably hosted much more objectionable people. Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe from her own Commonwealth spring to mind…
      
      Or maybe not…
      
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/10540082/The-Queens-plot-to-bash-Idi-Amin-over-the-head-with-a-pearl-sword.html
      
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      January 31, 2017 12:59pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  No. USA is 14% of UK trade (largest other than EU). The UK-USA is super important to both countries, and not to be dicked around with to appease leftie virtue signallers.
  
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  January 31, 2017 2:33pm
dime

“In his call with Saudi King Salman, the president “requested, and the king agreed to support, safe zones in Syria and Yemen, as well as supporting other ideas to help the many refugees who are displaced by the ongoing conflicts,” the White House said.”

umm if this happens is it not epic???

it means muslim refugees get to say closer to home, in muslim countries whos laws wont offend them! they speak the language. seems humane!

sure, they miss out on those sweet sweet benes the west has..
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January 31, 2017 9:19am
- Fletch
  
  Yup, I read that too –
  
  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-saudi-idUSKBN15D14L
  
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  January 31, 2017 11:43am
Manolo

Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Lybia, all Islamic hell-holes and terrorist’s paradises.

Why wouldn’t the US stop immigration from those places until proper vetting procedures are ready?
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January 31, 2017 9:25am
- MCos
  
  You have misconstrued the situation, Manolo.
  People with passports from those countries are not allowed to enter the US, unless they have a diplomatic passport.
  So people with permanent residence (green card holders) who happen to be out of the country at the time, cannot return.
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:09am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Wrong, Green Card holders can re-enter.
    
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    January 31, 2017 10:27am
    - MCos
      
      It seems you are probably correct.
      As with a lot of other people I found the situation confusing.
      “Adding to the confusion, Trump administration officials seemed to at times contradict themselves during appearances on Sunday news shows. In mere minutes during an interview with NBC, White House chief of staff Reince Priebus said the order “doesn’t affect” green card holders, then later said “of course” it affects green card holders from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Yemen and Somalia — the seven countries Trump has temporarily stop immigration from for 90 days.”
      
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      January 31, 2017 11:00am
- howitis
  
  We see all these protesters at JFK airport and so on protesting Trump stopping 100 to 200 dubious dudes coming into the country- THEIR country and protecting borders as a decent country does…. unlike Germany.
  
  So, in the last eight years where were they when the US was bombing these countries such as Iraq;
  
  undermining and killing of Gaddafi in Libya -Secretary Clinton:- ‘We came, we saw, he died’ so bloody funny…not, bitch! ;
  
  partnering with Saudi Arabia (they of the UN Human Rights Council) in creating ISIS and other ‘moderate’ terrorist groups to overthrow the Syrian Govt;
  
  performing Drone strikes in Pakistan and other islamic countries
  …and more, many more.
  
  They were NOT out on the streets protesting this behaviour esp while the half-white Nobel Peace Prize winner was Prez.
  
  Either protest both matters or STFU already.
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:27am
Southern Raider

I have just thought of a Trump conspiracy theory that the left MSM should run with

I’m just applying for a new ETSA to travel to the USA for work this month.

I noticed one of the payment options is PayPal. PayPal was founded by Peter Thiel. Peter Theil is a donator to and adviser for Trump.

There has to be some backhand deal here
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January 31, 2017 9:26am
- Flash
  
  I thought people who gave were donors. What is this mongrel word donator?
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They are synonyms. Both have been in the English language since the 1490s. (concise OED)
    
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    January 31, 2017 11:01am
    - fernglas
      
      So when I go to my local Muslim takeaway should I be asking for a Donator Kebab?
      
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      January 31, 2017 11:49am
      - Komata
        
        fernglas
        
        Why not; it’s the one with a real ‘Bang’ don’t you know…?
        
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        January 31, 2017 12:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I don’t know what you normally ask for…
        
        Döner kebab/kebap works for me.
        
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        January 31, 2017 2:12pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        fernglas,
        
        was that a Donator kebab or a Detonator kebab?
        
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        January 31, 2017 5:58pm
- SPC
  
  Thiel sold paypal years ago.
  
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  January 31, 2017 12:04pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    FFS you lefties are thick.
    
    I know that, but your media wouldn’t take that into account when making up a bullshit story
    
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    January 31, 2017 12:24pm
    - SPC
      
      Two responses.
      
      1. Are you confusing the media with Trump tweets? I am fairly sure its Trump who publishes without reference to the facts.
      
      2. So in your cult, the media does not print to your ideological bias, therefore it lies. Thus it is “our media” not your partisan media. I hope you don’t have a gun licence.
      
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      January 31, 2017 3:57pm
MCos

Yesterday I went along to watch our plucky lads confound the Australian cricket wizards at Eden Park.
Apparently there were about thirty thousand people there and if the game had been play at Wellington instead of the Sevens a similar number, would no doubt have turned up.
The sevens was a disaster. In my opinion the reason the day yesterday was such a success was because we had a competitive side with plenty of well known faces and the game is entertaining without being too overly contrived. The All Black sevens team is a bunch of second rate no names that can no longer foot it with the best. The format is contrived with few excitlng games.
That being the case the occasion has relied on the party atmosphere. The novelty has worn off.
Beer at the cricket was nine bucks in a plastic cup. The food is indigestion in a cardboard box.
People go to sporting events over the long term for top class sport.
(Get to the League Nines before it fizzles out if)
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January 31, 2017 9:56am
- RF
  
  But but but it’s the All Black 7s. The great ABs are world famous as they can heal the sick and infirm plus walk on water.
  
  Steve Tew told me….
  
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  January 31, 2017 1:13pm
Manolo

A beast meets his maker:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4170958/Islamic-State-s-chief-executioner-knifed-death-Iraq.html

Islamic State’s chief executioner, who has beheaded more than 100 people, has been stabbed to death in an ambush in Iraq.
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January 31, 2017 10:00am
- Rich Prick
  
  Islamic State’s chief ~~executioner~~ murderer …
  
  God damn media.
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:10am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Friendly fire doesn’t happen just to American forces.
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:55am
Manolo

It did not take long. The Muslim Messiah stirs the pot:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/30/obama-rejects-comparison-between-trumps-immigration-policy-and-his-own-encourages-protests/?utm_term=.b549aec9613d

Former president Barack Obama rejected the idea Monday that President Trump based his immigration executive order on a policy adopted by his own administration, and he endorsed the protests that have been taking place across the country in response to the new restrictions.
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January 31, 2017 10:07am
- Ed Snack
  
  All class that Obama, all class….
  
  I remember how G W Bush spoke out so often against all the blame and shit Obama heaped on his head over the last 8 years….oh wait, what, he didn’t ?
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:29am
  - cha
    
    oh wait, what, he didn’t ?
    
    Well he did – finally…
    
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    January 31, 2017 1:00pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I think he showed a lot of class in not criticising the (then) current president so as not to impair his work. But no reason not to voice his opinion once he is out of power.
      
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      January 31, 2017 2:38pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Yes, and if Obama waits until Trump is out of the office it would follow precedent.
      
      Like I said, Obama has zero class, but is a first class arsehole.
      
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      January 31, 2017 10:19pm
  - Gabby
    
    Dub can’t afford speechwriters AND poster paints, so he doesn’t say much these days.
    
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    January 31, 2017 1:47pm
Jack5

Trump’s travel ban, right of wrong, is working. The tide of Muslim migration, to the USA at least, has been stemmed for the moment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/30/refugees-in-kenya-may-face-return-to-somalia-after-us-travel-ban
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January 31, 2017 10:35am
- Manolo
  
  That can only be good for the United States, who can do without these people.
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:52am
- Jack5
  
  Trump’s travel ban supported by many Americans (48% to 42%), says a poll cited on Fox News.
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/01/30/forget-hysterical-mainstream-media-america-likes-trump-s-agenda-including-his-immigration-pivot.html
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:59am
  - MCos
    
    The poll referred to immigration, not travel.
    
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    January 31, 2017 11:09am
    - SPC
      
      This is a now a pro Trump blog whether the host likes it or not and any questioning of this is not welcome.
      
      Any dissent makes you a fellow traveller of militant Islam, McCarthyism has returned, but under leadership of POTUS this time.
      
      The age of Putin, Erdogan and Trump and their ilk, strong leaders catering to national identity.
      
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      January 31, 2017 11:41am
      - Jack5
        
        SPC, you mean like Messrs English and Little? Or is NZ exempt?
        
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        January 31, 2017 12:00pm
      - SPC
        
        Winnie caters to the market, gets up to 10% of the vote here …
        
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        January 31, 2017 12:07pm
Happychappy

Winston Peters has run out of ammunition to fire at the Government so he blames National for the nanny state policy that has plagued the Wellington sevens.
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January 31, 2017 10:40am
Manolo

Will lightweight Devoy comment?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/austria-plans-ban-muslim-face-9723933

Austria is planning to ban the Muslim face veil in public places, the centrist coalition government said today as it announced a package of policies aimed at countering the growing appeal of the far-right opposition Freedom Party (FPO).
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January 31, 2017 10:49am
- Jack5
  
  Her team of Marxists and other Lefties will be briefing her right now.
  
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  January 31, 2017 11:00am
- kowtow
  
  Great isn’t it ? The electorate have been not ignored but deliberately sidelined by the so called mainstream politicians who have flooded Europe with Muslim third worlders , knowing how unpopular such policies would be . And then when the inevitable reaction comes with voters turning to alternative parties , the so called centrists adopt policies that they themselves would have called extreme only a few months previously.
  
  Same in “liberal” Holland.
  
  These pollies are so dishonest , they only care when it looks like they’ll have their troughs removed from under their snouts.
  
  “Weeks before Dutch voters go to the polls, Prime Minister Mark Rutte has said that anyone who rejects the country’s values should leave.”
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38718286
  
  No chance of Rutte being put before the courts for this racist , xenophobic outburst , like they’ve done to try and silence Wilders.
  
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  January 31, 2017 12:56pm
Manolo

What will the Saudis do?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-travel-restrictions-put-saudi-arabia-in-a-bind-1485772206
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January 31, 2017 11:04am
- Jack5
  
  Especially since Huma Abedin no longer has access to high level US emails.
  
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  January 31, 2017 2:01pm
SPC

One can note with some irony the fawning subservience to Trump – because he represents the right sort of identity politics – as compared to the long expressed criticism of the past regime for its own identity politics.

One word tribalism, the same partisanship that divides the USA writ large in the wider world.
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January 31, 2017 11:09am
SPC

There is also a direct correlation between the emergence of blog world and its partisan take on the wider world and disrespect for the MSM/other media portrayal of current events/politics of nations.

One word tribalism. The atomisation that occurred within economic society because of globalisation pressures on nations, also occurring in the consumption of information packaged to identity.
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January 31, 2017 11:13am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  yep, we only associate with people of similar views. Our whole world is now very polarised, for many family is the last group of people that we associate with that don’t necessarily share our views.
  
  But blogs like this are actually a positive thing – a spectrum of views, right leaning sure but we have genuine Nazis and proper Communists, muslims, fundamentalist christians and athiests, workers and bludgers, so at least there is some exposure to other viewpoints.
  
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  January 31, 2017 2:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I very much doubt that there is a muslim posting on this blog.
    
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    January 31, 2017 6:26pm
- Ed Snack
  
  SPC, I disagree. The absolutely plain bias and partisanship of the Media is what has made Blogs and various other alternative media so popular.
  
  We didn’t disrespect the media, they disrespected us. This current storm is an excellent example. Where was this outrage over Obama banning Cuban emigration, none on Obama banning Iraqis for 180 days (not the 90 as now), what do the media expect us to do, believe them when they’re so transparently unreliable ?
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:23pm
Manolo

He doesn’t mince his words:
Donald Trump openly mocked Democratic Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer on Monday for offering ‘fake tears’ during a press conference he held to condemn the president’s executive order restricting U.S. arrivals of some Middle Eastern travelers.

‘I noticed that Chuck Schumer yesterday, with fake tears – I’m going to ask him, who’s his acting coach?’ Trump jabbed as he met with a group of small business Monday morning at the White House.

‘Because I know him very well. I don’t see him as a crier – if he is, he’s a different man. There’s about a 5% chance that it was real, but I think it was fake tears,’ the president said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4171826/Trump-Schumer-tears-blames-Delta-outages-airport-delay.html#ixzz4XHmlUho9
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January 31, 2017 11:17am
- dime
  
  Trump does the best fake tears
  
  he learned from his acting coach, the best coach, very expensive, great guy.
  
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  January 31, 2017 12:52pm
Im Right

Whats all the fuss about a million ‘signing’ an online petition to keep Trump from visiting UK. UK has a population of about 65,000,000 and 1,000,000 is just about 1.5%, no different than if 60,000 signed a petition here in NZ as a %age of population, hardly breath taking stuff! If the UK ran an online petition asking anyone to sign if you agree that less reality TV should be on your screens….it would be up to 20 million in a cpl of days.
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January 31, 2017 11:30am
- Fletch
  
  Liberals: Banning people from countries is awful.
  
  Also liberals: Sign this petition to ban someone from our country!
  
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  January 31, 2017 11:45am
  - SPC
    
    Wrong in fact, the objection is to the Queen hosting him, no objection to him visiting to see the PM.
    
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38794886
    
    There was a an earlier petition to ban him from the UK. Got 500,000
    
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38795998
    
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    January 31, 2017 11:53am
- SPC
  
  There has been one larger petition for a second EU referendum – that got 4.5M.
  
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  January 31, 2017 11:59am
  - kowtow
    
    Yeah , the EU and the permanent political class who do so well out of it did that to Ireland too.
    
    Keep them voting till you get the result you want.
    
    “In a dramatic political U-turn, Ireland has voted decisively in favour of the Lisbon treaty just 16 months after it first rejected the European Union reform plan.”
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/03/ireland-votes-yes-lisbon-treaty
    
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    January 31, 2017 1:11pm
Manolo

Elites, celebrities, and MSM aside, see the latest poll numbers on the ban:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/january_2017/most_support_temporary_ban_on_newcomers_from_terrorist_havens

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here. 33% are opposed, while 10% are undecided.
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January 31, 2017 12:10pm
Ross12

Interesting post on WhaleOil. Cameron has posted the full text of the executive order ( along with an interesting challenge).
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/01/test-see-can-find-six-countries-listed-text/

Yesterday DPF suggested it could have been written by just White Hose staff and the Department of Homeland Security lawyers weren’t involved –possible that DHS lawyers weren’t involved but this text was definitely written by lawyers, to encompass what the administration wanted to achieve.
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January 31, 2017 12:30pm
- cha
  
  As you can see, the leaked draft below differs to the released EO.
  
  The lawyers knocked it into shape
  
  https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7872557/Protecting_the_Nation_from_Terrorist_Attacks_by_Foreign_Nationals.0.pdf
  
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  January 31, 2017 1:27pm
  - Ross12
    
    That is what anyone would expect cha. Those involved, “draft” what they want to achieve and then the lawyers put it in the right form and language so it shouldn’t be challenged. Standard practice both in the public and private sector.
    I believe the Office of Legal Council is responsible for all legal fine tuning.
    
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    January 31, 2017 2:04pm
    - cha
      
      Drafting controversial EO’s without input from those responsible for implementation is standard practice, really?.
      
      As President Trump signed a sweeping executive order on Friday, shutting the borders to refugees and others from seven largely Muslim countries, the secretary of homeland security was on a White House conference call getting his first full briefing on the global shift in policy.
      
      Gen. John F. Kelly, the secretary of homeland security, had dialed in from a Coast Guard plane as he headed back to Washington from Miami. Along with other top officials, he needed guidance from the White House, which had not asked his department for a legal review of the order.
      
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/us/politics/donald-trump-rush-immigration-order-chaos.html
      
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      January 31, 2017 2:29pm
      - holysheet
        
        Immigration and homeland security are two different depts. If one is not informed about the other so what. It’s like the FBI and CIA. They don’t tell each other everything.
        
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        January 31, 2017 4:47pm
    - cha
      
      The incoming Trump administration used Congressional aides to draft the EO, in secrecy and without the knowledge of their their legislative bosses, bypassing and ignoring established immigration law.
      
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      Senior staffers on the House Judiciary Committee helped Donald Trump’s top aides draft the executive order curbing immigration from seven Muslim-majority nations, but the Republican committee chairman and party leadership were not informed, according to multiple sources involved in the process.
      
      The news of their involvement helps unlock the mystery of whether the White House consulted Capitol Hill about the executive order, one of many questions raised in the days after it was unveiled on Friday. It confirms that the small group of staffers were among the only people on Capitol Hill who knew of the looming controversial policy.
      
      Kathryn Rexrode, the House Judiciary Committee’s communications director, declined to comment about the aides’ work. A Judiciary Committee aide said Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) was not “consulted by the administration on the executive order.”
      
      The work of the committee aides began during the transition period after the election and before Donald Trump was sworn in. The staffers signed nondisclosure agreements, according to two sources familiar with the matter. Trump’s transition operation forced its staff to sign these agreements, but it would be unusual to extend that requirement to congressional employees. Rexrode declined to comment on the nondisclosure pacts.
      
      http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-immigration-congress-order-234392
      
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      January 31, 2017 4:43pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Politico, as a “trusted” source ? You’re taking the piss, right ?
        
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        January 31, 2017 10:25pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Ed Snack , and you seriously regard Breitbart as a serous source after the recent pizzagate and Dortmund debacles ?
        
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        January 31, 2017 10:28pm
starboard

mornin trendsetters..just sittin down to my brekky of fresh mango, pineapple, papaya and melon..open a link from the NZ Taxpayers Union and ..gee whizz
Have a read…will make you vomit. CWB.

http://taxpayers.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c86359d14575615d6ae8c2b60&id=9a546b9e44&e=a341e7fccb
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January 31, 2017 12:43pm
- Rich Prick
  
  In December we received a tip off that former Wellington Mayor Celia Wade-Brown asked officials for a ratepayer-funded tattoo as her departure gift as Mayor of the City.
  
  I would have been happy with her request if the ratepayers got to choose the design. I would have voted for a map of the Island Bay cycleway. On her arse.
  
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  January 31, 2017 2:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You are so behind the times in your sultry hideaway.
  
  She got her loyal staff to pay for the tattoo and used her retirement gift for a public park bench.
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/88495740/staff-stump-up-for-mayors-tattoo
  
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  January 31, 2017 2:22pm
  - starboard
    
    how distasteful . She should have spent it on that lysp issue. Yes, bit behind the times over here Maggy, KB sits on the backburner whilst I ..well, do nothing but marinate myself in the sun. ! Good to catch up on the news though..KB is my first go to for the headlines and goss each day.
    
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    January 31, 2017 2:29pm
starboard

and this doozy..

http://taxpayers.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c86359d14575615d6ae8c2b60&id=0eae97dbd5&e=a341e7fccb
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January 31, 2017 12:46pm
Chuck Bird

Another excellent opinion piece by Alan Duff

Alan Duff: Great depth – but Gareth Morgan short on delivery

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11791244
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January 31, 2017 1:08pm
Tauhei Notts

MEMORANDUM
TO The Acting Attorney General, Sally Yates
FROM The President
SUBJECT Your latest tirade
Sally,
I made a vow with the American people to drain the swamp that is Washington. Would you please be so kind as to refrain from slamming the door on your way out.
YOU’RE FIRED
Donald P. Trump
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January 31, 2017 1:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Just happened
  
  She’s fired
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38805944
  
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  January 31, 2017 3:36pm
- rangitoto
  
  Confirmed. She’s been given the sack.
  
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  January 31, 2017 4:05pm
- virtualmark
  
  Option 1: Trump’s Executive Order is legal, in which case he’s quite within his rights to sack the Acting Attorney General.
  
  Option 2: Trump’s Executive Order isn’t legal, in which case the Acting Attorney General is quite right and proper in instructing the Justice Department to not defend it.
  
  Thing is, we just don’t yet know which of Option 1 or Option 2 is right.
  
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  January 31, 2017 4:36pm
  - holysheet
    
    Who cares. Trump has got rid of another Obumma hack. Plenty more to come. The message is slow in getting through to these snowflakes. Take the new president on at your peril.
    
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    January 31, 2017 4:53pm
    - virtualmark
      
      The message is slow in getting through to these snowflakes. Take the new president on at your peril.
      
      So, you’re saying that officials and public servants should just do what they’re told by Trump, regardless of whether they think the orders may be illegal?
      
      Because that approach works really well right … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders
      
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      January 31, 2017 8:08pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Yeah sure, and your response if the bureaucracy had refused to implement the various illegal orders Obama promulgated ? Probably froth as to how shooting would be too good for them…
        
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        January 31, 2017 10:27pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Ed Snack , Obama ( and his adviors ) with his legal backgorounf had a pretty good grasp of due process that Trump and his toadies conpsicuously lack..
        
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        January 31, 2017 10:32pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Tweets: This is a major breakdown in the rule of law
  
  Matthew Miller: “In our democracy, the President is not supposed to dictate to the AG how to interpret the law. This is a major breakdown in the rule of law.”
  
  Trump’s presidency is imploding.
  
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  January 31, 2017 4:51pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Wrong, Trump is perfectly within his rights on this one. The Justice department was simply a tool for Obama and is full of these traitorous individuals who would think nothing of sabotaging legal actions.
    
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    January 31, 2017 10:28pm
    - cha
      
      Wrong, Trump is perfectly within his rights on this one.
      
      Trumps’s not perfectly within his rights to over ride the law and when he was called on his actions by an official who had sworn to uphold the law, rather than amend the law he resorted to his usual thug ways.
      
      (1) Nondiscrimination
      (A) Except as specifically provided in paragraph (2) and in sections 1101(a)(27), 1151(b)(2)(A)(i), and 1153 of this title, no person shall receive any preference or priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person’s race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence.
      
      https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1152
      
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      January 31, 2017 11:08pm
Manolo

Bezos vs Trump:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-is-working-with-lawmakers-to-counter-trumps-immigration-order-1485814300

Amazon.com Inc. Chief Executive Jeff Bezos said the e-commerce giant is working with lawmakers and state officials to explore legal options to counter President Donald Trump’s executive order on immigration.
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January 31, 2017 2:03pm
Tarquin North

There was some woman on the radio news claiming to be from an Islamic women’s group. She wanted N.Z to break off diplomatic ties with the U.S over Trumps travel ban. I’m prepared to stump up some cash to help send her back to the utopia she came from, she clearly doesn’t belong here.
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January 31, 2017 2:08pm
Dave Mann

David Attenborough – Humans are plague on Earth
Humans are a plague on the Earth that need to be controlled by limiting population growth, according to Sir David Attenborough – Daily Telegraph Jan 2013

This miserable puffed up wanker is now visiting New Zealand to spread his filthy humanity hating propaganda. Cunt.
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January 31, 2017 2:10pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  He has a point. We should not allow Muslims in the west as they out bred us and will go on welfare.
  
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  January 31, 2017 2:51pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Too late. Some 160 years ago we let the lawless Irish Roman Catholics into our Protestant lands and it has been downhill ever since. //
    
    Then again, you are probably old enough to remember when it happened.
    
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    January 31, 2017 2:53pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      It is good we did. We have an very good Roman Catholic PM.
      
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      January 31, 2017 2:56pm
      - Kimbo
        
        William Massey didn’t think that about Joseph Ward in 1912! 😉
        
        Again, I’m sure you remember it well. Winston Peters was still campaigning back then too! 😉
        
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        January 31, 2017 3:00pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        You may joke about age but he was Minister of Foreign Affairs. As Alan Duff pointed out not many can hold their own in a debate with him as Gareth Morgan found out. I would like to see you try.
        
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        January 31, 2017 3:53pm
      - Kimbo
        
        You may joke…
        
        What can I say? You and Winston Peters seem the subject of endless mirth and amusement.
        
        I’ll grant you Peters is even slipperier to pin down and catch, and is even better at playing to the crowd than the great All Black fullback Bob Scott…and during his playing days Winston probably marked him once in a Ponsonby vs Auckland University Gallaher Shield final…back in the days of ~~three point tries~~ four point drop goals!
        
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        January 31, 2017 4:02pm
      - holysheet
        
        You joke Chuck . When will winston first pay back to the taxpayer the $154,000 that he stole?
        You can debate this anytime with us if you had the balls. No waffle or weasel excuses. Just the facts please.
        
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        January 31, 2017 4:59pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I hate to be a pedant holysheet, but it was $158,000. Add to that interest accrued since 2005, and that’s a fair chunk of wedge that Peters owes you and I and every other taxpayer.
        
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        January 31, 2017 5:16pm
- Gabby
  
  Thank god you were spayed is all I can say.
  
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  January 31, 2017 7:46pm
Jack5

Trump is naming his Supreme Court nominee tomorrow night (US time, tomorrow, NZ?).

Meanwhile his opponents are marching and protesting and grizzling about something he did last week.

Trump in politics is like General Patton – charge on, and as fast as possible.
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January 31, 2017 2:15pm
- jonar
  
  I think General Patton would have sought information from experts before making decisions?
  
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  January 31, 2017 3:21pm
  - Jack5
    
    Patton was the Allies’ Guderian. They were about surprise, “schwerpunkt” (intense concentration on the point of attack), and deep penetration.
    
    Trump’s style in politics isn’t less radical than their tactics were at the time.
    
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    January 31, 2017 5:23pm
Manolo

Reading is believing.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/88943954/Trump-fires-acting-US-Attorney-General-Yates

US President Donald Trump fired the federal government’s top lawyer Sally Yates on Monday after she took the extraordinarily rare step of defying the White House and saying the Justice Department would not defend his new travel restrictions targeting seven Muslim-majority nations.

Yates on Monday told Justice Department lawyers in a letter that they would not defend in court Trump’s directive that put a 120-day hold on allowing refugees into the country, an indefinite ban on refugees from Syria and a 90-day bar on citizens from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

Yates was days away from being replaced by Trump’s pick for the top spot at the Justice Department, Republican Senator Jeff Sessions, who is awaiting Senate confirmation.
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January 31, 2017 3:44pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Crikey, he doesn’t muck about. Still, gives us a good indication of what he’ll do with the spare slot on the Supreme Court. That’ll have leftist heads expolding everywhere. I can’t think of better entertainment at the moment.
  
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  January 31, 2017 3:56pm
- Ross12
  
  Yes Manolo.
  What did the woman expect? She is a public servant / official –what she said was clearly a political statement. If she disagreed with the Office of Legal Council on their view of the legality of the EO , that is fine but you argue about it behind closed doors , not public.
  
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  January 31, 2017 3:58pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Representative Pete Sissons, a high ranking House Republican, described Yates decision as similar to an evaluation that the GOP members had made, particularly with regard to the fact that the ruling was not specific in nature.
    
    If Yates felt the same way, then she is obliged to act in accordance with the law and the constitution.
    
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    January 31, 2017 4:21pm
slightlyrighty

Trump’s Travel Ban executive order would have put the lives of serviceman overseas at risk, and would at least have required an increase in alert status for their own protection.

So it beggars belief that the SecDef, Gen. James Mattis not only had no input to the policy, but also was only told about this on Friday Morning, only a few orders before it was implemented.

I understand that Gen. Mattis was pissed.

It was Gen. Mattis who said, 6 months ago, in reference to Trump’s proposed Muslim ban, “This kind of thing is causing us great damage right now, and it’s sending shock waves through the international system.”

That this has affected people who worked for the US military would only make his anger worse.
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January 31, 2017 4:17pm
- Andrei
  
  You are full of nonsense, for goodness sakes all that is happening is for the next 90 days new visas are not (as a rule) being issued for people who originate in certain countries
  
  There are exceptions allowed.
  
  Everybody is going off the deep over nothing
  
  Like this story – I’ll guarantee you this dude will get his visa and all will go according to plan
  
  Donald Trump’s election is a shock to the elites who think they rule by divine right and they and their sycophants are having a meltdown boosted by rent-a-mobs waving their banners and chanting their inanities
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:21pm
SPC

Hardly surprising that an Attorney General would not go along with an executive order they did not think was constitutional.

People in office have a choice to make on these occasions.

When POTUS 43 ordered the FBI Director to spy on Americans illegally he carried out the order. When Congress found out they made it legal after the fact (the alternative was to impeach the President and imprison the pair of them).

The decision Congress made to accept illegal spying on Americans means that any POTUS who promises not to do illegal spying is probably lying (the lie is used to deceive people into thinking they are not being spied on so they can be caught/and or observed).
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January 31, 2017 4:40pm
Inandout

Larry Williams is tearing Barely Sober to bits on his show. What a nasty little man is the Soper.
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January 31, 2017 4:54pm
- Manolo
  
  Why NewstalkZb keeps Soper employed is a deep mystery.
  
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  January 31, 2017 5:10pm
  - Ross12
    
    Just heard the promo for Smalley’s show on ZB. She is a country mile more biased and uninformed than Soper ( I agree he is really bad).
    Smalley was commenting on Trump and the immigration issue.I’m absolutely sure she has not read anything about the issue –it is just, “I hate Trump so it must be all wrong.”
    
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    January 31, 2017 6:19pm
Harriet

Banning the populations of certain countries is the way to go as it divides the civil from the uncivil; those who hold ideals of ‘down with the west’. Have relations with the US like NZ, GB, Australia, Canada, Japan and others do, and for holding the sensible views of strong borders and strong laws, and you will be granted more association with western countries. It’s simply about setting a standard of behaviour amongst the international community, just look at the rogues gallery of murderers and thieves at the UN, and how they treat Israel…….and no one else, anywhere, ever. Murray is a fool.
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January 31, 2017 5:06pm
Michael

If Sally Yates didn’t agree with Donald Trump’s policy on travel restrictions she should have resigned, then he wouldn’t have had to fire her.
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January 31, 2017 5:08pm
Fletch

Brigitte Gabriel gives us a history of Islam in a nutshell in this video…

https://www.facebook.com/ILEARNEDALOTDOTCOM/videos/1085869904893104/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
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January 31, 2017 5:20pm
cha

Dana Boente, Yates’ successor, is one of the crew who let HRC off the hook.

Prosecutors and FBI agents investigating Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email server have so far found scant evidence that the leading Democratic presidential candidate intended to break classification rules, though they are still probing the case aggressively with an eye on interviewing Clinton herself, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

FBI agents on the case have been joined by federal prosecutors from the same office that successfully prosecuted 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui — and who would handle any Edward Snowden case, should he ever return to the country, according to the U.S. officials familiar with the matter. And in recent weeks, prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Eastern District of Virginia and their FBI counterparts have been interviewing top Clinton aides as they seek to bring the case to a close.

[…]

The district is home to the CIA and the Pentagon, and its prosecutors often find themselves handling terrorism and national-security cases, including the Moussaoui trial.

The office is led by Dana Boente, a veteran federal prosecutor who U.S. Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch earlier this year called one of the Justice Department’s “consummate utility players.

http://linkis.com/washingtonpost.com/cW7yU
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January 31, 2017 5:32pm
- Andrei
  
  It is only temporary Cha until Jeff Sessions is confirmed.
  
  The lady who got the boot today was only a placeholder until this occurred she agreed to stay on and used the opportunity to do a bit of grandstanding
  
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  January 31, 2017 7:23pm
  - cha
    
    *cough*
    
    Well that's awkward @jonlovett @jonfavs pic.twitter.com/8EDTh9aPjY— Staffer News (@staffernews) January 31, 2017
    
    https://twitter.com/staffernews/status/826285358967046144
    
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    January 31, 2017 7:32pm
Steve (North Shore)

Seems like President Trump is in the gun for doing what he said he would do – what he campaigned on.
Now what would the MSM and the snivelling snowflakes say if he did not do this??
Another lying Politician?
Can’t have it both ways shitheads
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January 31, 2017 6:22pm
- stigie
  
  Yes, the snivelling snowflakes aren’t even grateful that Trump has tossed the TPP out, where is it said that they agree with Trump, where is that snivelling academic bitch Jane Kelsey for comment, she used to be around a lot !~
  
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  January 31, 2017 7:05pm
Happychappy

If you were a National MP why would you want anything to do with the septic sewer called Whale Oil. This wanker goes out of his way to create shots at Bill English every time he gets a chance and if I was Prime Minister the best advise to give your MP’s would be no contact with owner or staff of this blog. Let the man who likes creating enemies go suck up to Winton and Andrew for his story and see how much loyalty he gets from them. For the last seven weeks all has done run columns on Israel, Murray McCully or hits on the National PM so it’s about time some one told him if he’s not happy to go live there.
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January 31, 2017 7:04pm
- Gabby
  
  If you were a crappy MP you might be slipping Fat Cambo a bobatew to have a crack at the PM. If you have a bobatew to spare. If you’re swamped with money.
  
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  January 31, 2017 7:33pm
Jack5

Rebecca Wrightweiler on TVNZ news said a survey/poll showed public opinion was moving against Trump. No mention of which survey or where.

Why does TVNZ, propped up by the taxpayer, waste money sending these dolts to America?
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January 31, 2017 7:34pm
- cha
  
  Gallup.
  
  Days until achieving MAJORITY disapproval from @Gallup
  Reagan: 727
  Bush I: 1336
  Clinton: 573
  Bush II: 1205
  Obama: 936
  Trump: 8. days
  
  http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/poll-president-donald-trump-disapproval-rating-record
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/01/average_approval_rating_of_us_presidents.html#comment-1864456
  
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  January 31, 2017 7:40pm
  - Andrei
    
    You take notice of polls Cha?
    
    I seem to recall they claimed that Hillary Clinton would be the president now
    
    Turns out they were utter crap
    
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    January 31, 2017 7:43pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Here’s another Poll
    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 53% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.
    Probably proves Andreis point
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:18pm
EAD

“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth. “Who controls the past,” ran the Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.” And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. “Reality control,” they called it: in Newspeak, “doublethink.” – George Orwell, 1984
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January 31, 2017 8:07pm
- nasska
  
  ….”“Reality control,” they called it: in Newspeak, “doublethink.” “….
  
  Some call it the Waitangi Tribunal.
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:14pm
- wiseowl
  
  One of the excited anti Trump protesters in LA had a sign saying ‘read 1984’
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:34pm
  - EAD
    
    I noticed that one as well.
    
    For some there is no hope – they are already so in love with Big Brother as to be rendered unsalvageable.
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:51pm
Ross12

This is worth a watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HFYlkxYkoQ

Trump in a couple of phones gets the Saudi’s and one of the Emirates to agree to setting up 6 safe zones for refugees.
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January 31, 2017 8:16pm
- cha
  
  WW3 it is then.
  /
  
  “You’re going to end up in World War Three over Syria if we listen to Hillary Clinton.”
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/hillary-clinton-world-war-three-donald-trump-claim-syria-plan-a7380721.html
  
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  January 31, 2017 8:49pm
  - Andrei
    
    WTF????
    
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    January 31, 2017 8:56pm
    - cha
      
      Not twelve months ago Trump claimed a world wide conflagration was on the cards should the US establish no fly/safe zones in Syria.
      
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      January 31, 2017 9:07pm
      - Andrei
        
        The so called safe zones are in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states not in Syria
        
        Neither the USA nor Saudi Arabia are in a position to establish “safe zones” on Syrian territory – the people doing that are Bashar al Assad with Vladimir Putin’s help and they are winning the war there
        
        Boy are you dumb!!!!
        
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        January 31, 2017 9:10pm
      - cha
        
        The so called safe zones are in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states not in Syria
        
        Of course they are, Andrei.
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        Saudi Arabia’s King Salman, in a telephone call on Sunday with U.S. President Donald Trump, agreed to support safe zones in Syria and Yemen, a White House statement said.
        
        http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-saudi-idUSKBN15D14L
        
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        January 31, 2017 9:21pm
cha

Bloke knows a thing of two about things ending in calamity.

The way the Trump presidency is beginning it is safe to say it will end in calamity. It is almost a certainty. Even Republicans know this!— John Dean (@JohnWDean) January 31, 2017

https://twitter.com/JohnWDean/status/826276900825751553
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January 31, 2017 9:35pm
- Scorpion
  
  YEP CALAMITY
  for the Clinton Criminal Empire
  
  it is over scum bags’
  
  France’s Presidential candidate Marine Le Pen; The Anglo-Saxons are Awake!
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta37ZqQPRrY
  
  HA HA
  
  The Anglo-Saxons are Awake!
  
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  January 31, 2017 11:26pm
Jack5

Regional newspapers seized on the NZ Initiave report on immigration to sing a chorus today along the lines of “immigration makes us rich”.

Not a mention of NZ’s almost stagnant GPD per capita.

Meanwhile, the regional press continues to be in a tizzy about Trump.

I wonder if any of these newspapers will note even in passing that Poland is tightening its borders and amending laws to facilitate deportation of illegal immigrants.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/760638/Poland-illegal-immigrants-tighten-border-quick-deport
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January 31, 2017 9:49pm
stephieboy

jack 5 ,

“Not a mention of NZ’s almost stagnant GPD per capita.”

Immigrants are the cause of this ?

Poland and illegals ? Like Obama deporting 2 million Mexican illegals ?
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January 31, 2017 10:11pm
- EAD
  
  Stephiegoy is back almost exactly 168 hours after she was banned.
  
  It was good while it lasted…..
  
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  January 31, 2017 10:17pm
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD , again productively burn the midnight oil locating the whereabouts the 2.3 million and 1.5 million jews missing in occupied Poland and Russia WW2
    
    And continue to consult those entrails that will tell us of the imminent world economic meltdown postopned by you from last year ?
    
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    January 31, 2017 11:02pm
Jack5

The Stephieboys are back!

I thought they might have been deported back to Stephiestan!

I guess Trump has wrecked the Stephie clan’s planned trip to Disneyland. Too bad about that.

If you assimilate into NZ Stephieboys, your grandkids might be able to get into California on holiday visas, though.
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February 1, 2017 12:12am
Jack5

C’mon Stephieboys, come out to play.

Shut down the Windows to your porn sites, and post!
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February 1, 2017 12:19am
Jack5

Stephieboys, your neighbours say you were heard singing at a post-mosque knees up at the weekend ….

Guantanamo, here we come
Right back where we started from
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……
Open up, open up, open up that Cuban Gate!
Guantanamo, here we come!

Ah, nostalgia for the good old days, eh?
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February 1, 2017 12:41am
rangitoto

Trump trolling the Dems on twitter:

“When will the Democrats give us our Attorney General and rest of Cabinet! They should be ashamed of themselves! No wonder D.C. doesn’t work!”

Meanwhile Elon Musk wants to build a massive hyperloop tunnel under Los Angeles. Maybe a safe place for the snowflakes.
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February 1, 2017 12:52am
Jack5

Stuff tonight/this morning is warning Bill English he might be beaten this year because he’s not tough enough on Trump.

Collateral damage, I think they said might be English’s fate.

Perhaps Stuff might be collateral damage itself. It, the Hooerald, and State owned TV and radio have been in a joint, hysterical, Leftist wail about Trump since he began his campaign for the Presidency.

Boring, predictable, one-sided.

Thank goodness there’s the free web to give us the other side of the picture.

Once the media served us up with information and entertainment. Now they want to control us. Fat chance.
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February 1, 2017 1:11am
Jack5

Expect the Stephieboys to arrive in General Debate this morning like the camel charge in Lawrence of Arabia.

Hooves kicking up the sand and the Stephies, (plastic) swords waving, shouting: “Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!”

Time for a day reading books, I think.
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February 1, 2017 1:19am
Manolo

The NYT leads the war against Trump:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/president-bannon.html?_r=0

Plenty of presidents have had prominent political advisers, and some of those advisers have been suspected of quietly setting policy behind the scenes (recall Karl Rove or, if your memory stretches back far enough, Dick Morris). But we’ve never witnessed a political aide move as brazenly to consolidate power as Stephen Bannon — nor have we seen one do quite so much damage so quickly to his putative boss’s popular standing or pretenses of competence.
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February 1, 2017 6:22am
Viking2

What was kinda obvious has been confirmed.
Its good and its bad.
It gets rid of the fence sitting possum but it hardens up the game for English and co.

After weeks of speculation former Police Association President Greg O’Connor has confirmed he will be putting his name forward for Labour in Ohariu at the next election .

O’Connor, who was the familiar face of the police union for more than 20 years, was shoulder-tapped for the nomination by Labour leader Andrew Little.

That sets him up as the favourite to win the nod from Labour to take on long term sitting MP and UnitedFuture leader Peter Dunne in the Wellington seat.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/88952178/former-police-union-boss-greg-oconnor-confirms-run-for-labour-in-ohariu

So the Nats. better get their shit together, sort out the drug laws and a few other things like gangs and who are going to be their partners in Wellington.

Of course that’s been obvious as well forever.

They are totally vulnerable to these.
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February 1, 2017 6:29am
Viking2

It gets worse.

Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is calling for police to record hate crime statistics to combat racism.

“This is not something they collect when responding to callouts,” she said in a speech at the Holocaust remembrance service in Wellington this afternoon.

“Free speech is one thing, hate speech is another. These things don’t belong in my country, not in New Zealand.”

Devoy was speaking to those gathered for the annual United Nations International Holocaust Remembrance Day service at Makara Cemetery.

Who else but:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/human-rights/news/article.cfm?c_id=500838&objectid=11790092

Time Bill had a clean out.
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