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dad4justice

A worthwhile petition – Healthy Ambos Save Lives.

http://www.together.org.nz/ambos?utm_campaign=170125_ambos_s&utm_medium=email&utm_source=together
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January 28, 2017 8:04am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Signed
  
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  January 28, 2017 8:17am
- CHFR
  
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  January 28, 2017 8:22am
- peterwn
  
  It is basically a Government decision especially in the case of ambo services for accidents where ACC stumps the cost. Or conversely it is a matter of people opening their pockets more and contribute more to St John whether by donations or paying their invoices for ambo services (AFAIK St John do not do high power debt collecting). Those involved in the governance and management of St John (and Wellington Free Ambulance and the various helicopter trusts) strive to provide the best possible service with the funds available.
  So how about the 10,000 or so who will be signing the petition would put their money where their pen is and send $100 off to St John. And how many of the 10,000 have used ambulance services (accidents excluded) and not paid the St John the pittance they invoiced (in Australia the invoice would be 10 times greater).
  
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  January 28, 2017 8:34am
  - MickMac
    
    I already pay $100 a year to Wellington Free Ambulance.
    
    I deplore both Labour and National, 2 up in every ambulance should be the professional standard paid for by the state.
    
    Fking politicians
    
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    January 28, 2017 8:36am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Well said. Although St John is a privately run organization, it is ultimately the government which pays them for their core ambulance services. If they cannot afford to operate these vital services to the optimum (staffing levels), then it is most likely through lack of funds. Any public action like petitions etc should be backed up with a donation to St John as well as a call for a serious look at the state of government funding. We pay taxes for our vital health services after all and there are areas where government has a responsibility as well as areas where they should butt out – and this is in the former league IMHO.
    
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    January 28, 2017 8:54am
    - Disaster Area
      
      The issue I have is that if more people donate to St John to allow them to provide the services that should be funded by the government, then the government will turn round and say that there is adequate funding and do nothing.
      
      I’m not too sure why political parties are shy about decisions like this – would anyone not vote for a party who increased the number of ambulances/fire engines/police etc?
      
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      January 28, 2017 9:04am
      - peterwn
        
        Ambulances are not a Government funded service – the old Wellington Hospital Board used to provide an ambulance service (which I think had to be paid for) – all of one ambulance. The old Wellington Harbour Board had another ambulance – to deal with incidents on the wharves. A pedestrian was knocked down in Lambton Quay and the Hospital ambulance was busy. Sir Walter Norwood who was Harbour Board chair ordered the Harbour Board ambulance to attend. He realised that Wellington needed a decent ambulance service, shook pockets and Wellington Free Ambulance was born (‘Free’ because users were not charged or shaken down), financed wholly on public donations. Some benefactors donate whole ambulances (at about quarter of a million dollars each I think). The advent of ACC means they are reimbursed for accident related cases and they are reimbursed for inter-hospital transfers. Apart from that they rely on donations. Wairarapa Health Board used to run Wairarapa ambulances (and relied on some donations), but a few years ago invited bids to provide an ambulance service. Wellington Free Ambulance (presumably after ensuring willing donors were available) now runs the ambulance services there.
        Between them St John and WFA probably run a more effective and economic service than the Government could. I suspect the union representing St John ambo staff wants to see the service nationalised as the Government is easier to shake down (especially when Labour is in power) than charities with businesslike and hard nosed governors (ie businesspeople who donate their time to be on the boards).
        
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        January 28, 2017 10:12am
      - Disaster Area
        
        Ambulances are not a Government funded service
        
        They should be. They should be funded so that everyone has access to top quality, appropriately qualified emergency care, within a clinically significant time period.
        
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        January 28, 2017 10:40am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Already do. $80 for family and $80 donation.
    You want these guys to be in top form when you get sciatica and can’t get off the floor, or nose bleed for 3 days and need ENT Clinic, or stroke/heart attack.
    I call it insurance
    
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    January 28, 2017 10:21am
Manolo

Very true:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/%E2%80%98they-never-saw-this-coming%E2%80%99-a-qanda-with-kellyanne-conway/ar-AAmixcH?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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January 28, 2017 8:07am
Manolo

Austria will soon find itself in the deep trouble:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4163742/Almost-half-refugees-think-religious-law-important.html

Almost half of refugees in Austria think religious law is more important than that of the country in which they live, according to a study published today.

The study of 900 migrants, by the Austrian Academy of Sciences, found 40% of migrants thought their religion always took precedence over secular laws.

A similar percentage thought Western people were too liberal in their lifestyles and had too much freedom.
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January 28, 2017 8:13am
virtualmark

Trumpkins!

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/trump-aides-cant-stop-blabbing-about-how-hes-a-madman.html
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/26/1625349/-West-Wing-leaker-silenced-after-pulling-back-the-curtain-Trump-irrational-staff-demoralized

Yes, yes, I know what you’re going to say … Fake News! I understand … every story that doesn’t fit with your religious/political narrative MUST be fake news. (And there I was thinking fake news was news manufactured by the Russians & Eastern Europeans that gets picked up by social media, but I’m clearly just so 2016).

But … what if it’s true? What if the Wingnut-in-Chief really is a wingnut?

Downclick away, but we all know you too have troubling doubts in your head, it’s just that don’t want to admit to them. The doctors recommend closing your eyes, sticking your fingers in your ears, and running around the room yelling “Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah …”
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January 28, 2017 8:18am
- BeeSting
  
  Help Help Help Help
  
  America is no longer controlled by Marxist Communists and Islamic Radicals
  
  Help Help Help Arghhhhhhhhhhh
  
  He is going to be pro his own country instead
  of giving continual blow jobs to Communist China
  
  Arghghghhghhghg help up leftie scum cope
  
  Help Help Help
  
  It was meant TO BE THE ASIAN CENTURY
  and it is going to be
  
  THE AMERICAN CENTURY
  
  argh argh President Trump said some nasty things
  to a bunch of losers
  
  Argh he said P u s s y
  
  Argh Arghhhhhhhh
  
  Help Help Help US
  
  Communist CHINA take over Hollywood
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:09am
  - PhilBest
    
    For once, Beesting’s ranting style works! Perfect way to describe the snowflakes meltdowns over Trump. LOL.
    
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    January 28, 2017 9:42am
- ross411
  
  1. This thing might be true.
  2. What if it is true?
  3. Here’s what everyone reading this thinks, they know it because I tell them what they think.
  
  There are so many ways you could have posted this without trying to be a victim.
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:15am
- virtualmark
  
  You forget, I’m happy to see a Republican president, and very happy we don’t have President Hilary Clinton. I’m by no means a Marxist.
  
  Trump may yet prove to be a good President. Hopefully he is. But all his previous behaviours suggest he won’t be, and I am very cautious whether he has the personal qualities for the job.
  
  And I’m amazed at the number of people here who have clearly taken part in the Trump Kool-Aid drinking competition.
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:30am
- Fletch
  
  It turns out that presidents with a psychopathic trait may be better leaders.
  
  http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/13/health/psychopathic-presidents-traits-time/index.html
  
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  January 28, 2017 11:04am
Dave Mann

新年快乐
Wishing all our readers and commenters a happy new year. May the year of the ~~Trump~~ rooster be a good year for all!
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January 28, 2017 8:20am
- BeeSting
  
  New Year is the 1st of January in New Zealand
  
  https://youtu.be/aJsyjg32mSk
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP1CQEboIo
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:14am
  - G152
    
    Some-one doesn’t do international or other cultures
    
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    January 28, 2017 11:38am
EAD

President Trump (doesn’t that have a good ring to it!) has done more in his first week in office than than other Presidents have done in 8 years of office.

In what might be the most encouraging sign of the lot, and a portent of what is to come – he has had installed a portrait of President Andrew Jackson in the oval office with Trump saying he is a hero of mine

Jackson of course being the President who famously took on the Central Bank and won. Here are Jacksons immortal words:

“Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves.

You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out.”

http://smoloko.com/?p=15164

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/25/president-trump-adds-portrait-president-andrew-jackson-oval-office-decor/
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January 28, 2017 8:20am
- PhilBest
  
  That quote is definitely worth paraphrasing over the housing issue in NZ.
  
  “You tell me that if I abolish the Council’s urban growth boundary and let house prices fall, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves.”
  
  Sigh. Oh for a leader of Andrew Jackson’s integrity on this issue in this country.
  
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  January 28, 2017 8:53am
  - ross411
    
    It’s a turd any way you look at it. Who wants to be the government that forces the council to allow unhindered construction of more intensive housing regardless of nimby residents (which we’d all be in their situation)? Who wants to be the mayor of the council that lets or makes it go ahead (I am convinced Goff would rather be popular)? Who wants to be the resident that has to allow apartment buildings in residential areas right beside their single story dwelling? Etc.
    
    It’s one thing to bleat continuously – the government isn’t doing anything, it’s another to actually prove how it can reasonably be done.
    
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    January 28, 2017 9:19am
    - PhilBest
      
      “…unhindered construction of more intensive housing regardless of nimby residents…”
      
      Exactly – but guess what? Those Americans we generally regard as unsophisticated redneck hicks, have worked out that if you don’t want your neighbourhood ruined by more intensive housing, you still owe it to your young to do the right thing on housing affordability and that means no growth boundary. It means constant pushing out of new suburbs of McMansions at affordable prices, because the land is not being price-gouged. This keeps everything affordable.
      
      But us oh so sophisticated Kiwis won’t ever get this. We are so stupid, we believe all the Green propaganda to the effect that NZ will “run out of land”, or our rural exports will collapse, or we can’t afford the infrastructure. Somehow we can afford houses that are $300,000+ too expensive, but we can’t afford around $100 per household per annum to pay for new infrastructure on greenfields where it is cheap to do anyway (it is a falsehood that money is saved by intensification unless there is surplus capacity in the existing infrastructure, which is not the case in Auckland).
      
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      January 28, 2017 9:52am
- RichardX
  
  EAD still using dubious quotes
  
  http://www.businessinsider.com.au/sorry-andrew-jackson-probably-never-said-that-den-of-theives-quote-2010-1
  
  Not really surprising when you use http://smoloko.com/ as a trusted source
  
  A few of the gems just on the page EAD linked to
  
  SEE ALSO –
  ANDREW JACKSON VS THE ROTHSCHILDS – REAL AMERICAN HISTORY
  PRESIDENT ANDREW JACKSON VS JEWISH BANKERS – REAL AMERICAN HISTORY PT 2
  THE TRUE NATURE OF THE JEW SCAM
  A NATIONALIST SOLUTION TO MONEY
  JEWS: THEIR MONEY & THEIR CONTROL
  JEWS RULE THE WORLD THROUGH USURY AND DEBT
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:41am
Paulus

Gong Hei Fat Choi to all our Chinese friends in New Zealand.
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January 28, 2017 8:25am
- BeeSting
  
  Speak English
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8of3uhG1tCI
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:25am
  - calendar girl
    
    BeeSting, your 9:14 comment was designed to disparage or belittle our Chinese citizens and friends. Now you’ve done it again. When will you grow up?
    
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    January 28, 2017 9:53am
    - BeeSting
      
      Get over yourself and Speak English how can
      anyone be offended by that
      YOU ARE JUST an ARROGANT HONKY
      who thinks you SPEAK FOR THEM and everyone else
      
      Get yourself a Life
      and Get yourself an AR15
      
      God Bless America
      
      Chinese-American Immigrant for 2nd Amendment Rights
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQv_pP50rG4
      http://www.lily4liberty.com/
      
      Lilly Tang Williams knows what is coming your WAY
      
      HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR OK
      
      http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Lily-Tang-Williams-12523016_998111650232738_806253172225060210_n-940×545.jpg
      
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      January 28, 2017 11:59am
Southern Raider

Another “opinion” piece on Trump makes number one story on Herald today again. Groooan
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January 28, 2017 8:26am
- Rich Prick
  
  As if it will make a difference. Give it up cupcakes, your “opinions” don’t matter.
  
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  January 28, 2017 8:34am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Oh but they do, just not to me (us)
    
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    January 28, 2017 8:48am
Happychappy

What has happened to the media nothing on Peter Thiel on the News last night has Lees Galloway burnt all his bridges or has he not been telling the whole truth.
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January 28, 2017 8:33am
- peterwn
  
  The DomPost editorial (un-signed so I only read the heading) wanted the ‘facts’ on Peter Thiel. I will help them out.
  Fact 1. – in 2006 he was granted residency having met the usual conditions (which in his case would have included investing in NZ). A Labour Government was in power at the time.
  Fact 2. – in 2011 he was granted citizenship on the same basis as the many other residents seek and are granted citizenship after being a resident for 5 years.
  No matter what one thinks of Donald Trump, it can only benefit NZ having Kiwis close to or in the Trump administration. Yet both Peter Thiel and Chris Liddell are being criticised for accepting positions in the Trump administration.
  
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  January 28, 2017 8:43am
  - MCos
    
    I have no problem with Thiel receiving a residency visa, which, by the way, is not a political matter.
    However the guy is a patriotic American, not a Kiwi. I bet he doesn’t wave his NZ passport round at the White House.
    Having said that my mother’s English so I can apparently get a UK passport, which could be quite handy when I’m young again.
    
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    January 28, 2017 10:34am
    - peterwn
      
      Both USA (in recent times) and NZ allow dual citizenship. NZ Parliament has not passed any law forbidding people obtaining citizenship on grounds of wealth. There could possibly be a case for residents to have lived in NZ for say 80% of the previous five years before applying for citizenship.
      If your mum was born in UK you are generally entitled to a UK passport which at the moment is ‘good’ throughout the EU. There are some exceptions and problems eg mothers’ names are not recorded on birth certificates in some or all Muslim countries and these people may have to undergo DNA testing to prove ‘patriality’.
      
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      January 28, 2017 3:13pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  A politician not telling the truth! How novel!
  
  Was the bouffanted bow tied buffoon telling the truth in his diatribe to the POTUS?
  
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  January 28, 2017 8:51am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  It has all gone deathly silent cos` he was granted residency in 2006 courtesy of Helen and Cullen and Goof.
  Another own goal, not that the MSM would let alt-facts get in the way of their alt-news.
  
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  January 28, 2017 8:59am
  - PhilBest
    
    Very illuminating, isn’t it. So similar to the US media and the Clintons and O, versus the other side.
    
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    January 28, 2017 10:04am
  - MCos
    
    Labour Government wouldn’t have ‘granted’ him residency. He would have been issued a visa by Immigration.
    
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    January 28, 2017 10:37am
  - VicParking
    
    The same with the article on the BBC website.
    They put it across as if Thiel moved to NZ because of Trump. Nothing about it being in 2006.
    As above why let the truth get in the way of a good story. Alternative facts prevail.
    
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    January 28, 2017 11:14am
- Disaster Area
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=117901
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:01am
EAD

Squash player turned race hustler at it again:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dame-susan-speaks-out-hate-crime

She said online hate speech also needed to be addressed, particularly in media website comment sections and on their social media pages.

Wonder if she is going to be patrolling General Debate from now on? 🙂

More seriously, I can’t believe what is happening to our country – we are being marched into a totalitarian nightmare bit by little bit.

What next – “thought crime”?
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January 28, 2017 8:34am
- Manolo
  
  The answer to her and her ilk is: get effed!
  
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  January 28, 2017 8:47am
  - Biscuit
    
    The Dame is the biggest waste of space since …. hmm, lemme think.
    
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    January 28, 2017 10:23am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Sliced bread
      
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      January 28, 2017 3:02pm
  - Komata
    
    Careful Manolo: Big Brother and Little Sister are watching …
    
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    January 28, 2017 3:58pm
G152

A good thing all this Trump news.
Keeps him out front and popular.
Waiting for the baby eating claims
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January 28, 2017 8:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  http://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2016/08/02/trump-eats-baby-rally/
  
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  January 28, 2017 8:41am
- PhilBest
  
  It could be a deliberate “weapons of mass distraction” tactic on his part. The left aren’t even addressing criticism to his actual policy agenda and the executive orders he is signing because they are too occupied with shrieking about his latest verbal gaffe.
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:01am
MickMac

I am so glad for Trump being there.

Think on it the arseholes “out themselves” daily in all walks of life, verbally around us, in the media.

It’s fantastic, so many people you didn’t know was a twat (and possibly dangerous to freedom and liberty…)

Any one making a list to remind us who not to vote for, do business with, to not give Govt jobs or business too??
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January 28, 2017 8:41am
- PhilBest
  
  Think of all the other basically decent people, businessmen, christians, etc who aren’t being persecuted by the media right now because Trump is drawing all their fire!
  
  I heard a commentator from Austin TX on a show last night, pointing out that while evangelical christians in the USA won’t agree with Trump’s own lifestyle and lack of christian humility and quite a lot of other things, they turned out to vote overwhelmingly in his favour – why? Because on the basic principles of freedom, he is working to rein in their own enemies, the politically correct cultural-marxist Long Marchers.
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:07am
Maggy Wassilieff

Any one making a list

Their names are krocheted into my doilys

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Defarge
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January 28, 2017 8:45am
DifferentPerspective

Do the Abortion marchers know this?

“we don’t word to get out that we plan to exterminate the negro population”

a straight quote from Margaret Sanger the founder of the Planned Parenthood movement!

So once again the Democrats are seeking revenge on their former slaves – boy, it takes some people a long time to get over stuff. The Democrats lost the Civil war in 1865 and they are still snowflaking about the nasty Republicans that took their slaves away!

Still at least those marching, passionate, feminist, ~~baby-killer~~ ~~pro-abortion~~ pro-choice, socialists are being consistent about their racism.
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January 28, 2017 8:45am
- Disaster Area
  
  From her wikipedia entry:
  Sanger worked with eminent African American leaders and professionals who saw a need for birth control in their communities. In 1929, James H. Hubert, a black social worker and leader of New York’s Urban League, asked Sanger to open a clinic in Harlem. Sanger secured funding from the Julius Rosenwald Fund and opened the clinic, staffed with black doctors, in 1930. The clinic was directed by a 15-member advisory board consisting of black doctors, nurses, clergy, journalists, and social workers. The clinic was publicized in the African-American press and in black churches, and it received the approval of W. E. B. Du Bois, co-founder of the NAACP and editor of its magazine, The Crisis. Sanger did not tolerate bigotry among her staff, nor would she tolerate any refusal to work within interracial projects. Sanger’s work with minorities earned praise from Martin Luther King, Jr., in his 1966 acceptance speech for the Margaret Sanger award.
  
  She was also arrested for providing contraception and ‘Sanger was convicted; the trial judge held that women did not have “the right to copulate with a feeling of security that there will be no resulting conception”.’
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:26am
  - Fletch
    
    Sanger was a horror. She once said that the best thing a family could do for its infant member was to kill it. She was all in favour of eugenics to weed out the weak minded and undesirables (of which she counted blacks). She once gave a speech to the women of the KKK (she was blindfolded and taken to their HQ).
    
    Sanger advocated that, “illiterates, paupers, unemployables, criminals, prostitutes, dope fiends” be segregated to “farms” for “immediate sterilization.” “Non-Aryan people [of the United States are] a great biological menace to the future of civilization,” she said. She described Blacks as, “human weeds.”[763]
    
    Clarence Gamble, one of her associates, wrote to her, “There is a great danger we will fail because the Negroes think it is a plan for extermination.” Sanger wrote back to him on October 19, 1939; “We do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.”
    
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    January 28, 2017 11:34am
    - Disaster Area
      
      Which is irrelevant because the organisation which she started 100 years ago does not hold these views in 2017.
      
      I would argue that if you look at any organisation formed at that time, the majority would have founders or members with attitudes different to those held by people in the 21st century.
      
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      January 28, 2017 11:57am
      - Fletch
        
        Uhuh. The same organization busted for selling baby parts from the babies it kills.
        
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        January 28, 2017 12:07pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        You mean the videos that resulted in
        
        ‘Officials in 12 states initiated investigations into claims made by the videos, but none found Planned Parenthood clinics to have sold tissue for profit as alleged by CMP and other anti-abortion groups. An investigation by the United States House of Representatives Oversight and Government Reform Committee found no evidence of wrongdoing by Planned Parenthood. ‘
        
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        January 28, 2017 12:41pm
      - Fletch
        
        Oh yeh?
        
        But Planned Parenthood and their business partners made a lot of money selling aborted baby body parts, according to the report. The House investigation found one case where Stem Express harvested an intact aborted baby’s brain at a Planned Parenthood clinic. They reportedly paid Planned Parenthood $55 but sold the brain to a researcher for over $3000 – that’s a 2,800% profit. Planned Parenthood reportedly made their money on volume sales and “charitable donations” from these body harvesting companies.
        
        The Senate investigation published invoices which showed in June 2014 ABR bought a fetus from Planned Parenthood for $60. From that one fetus ABR “sold its brain to one customer for $325; both of its eyes for $325 each ($650 total) to a second customer, a portion of its liver for $325 to a third customer; its thymus for $325 and another portion of liver to a fourth customer; and its lung for $325 to a fifth customer.”
        
        Then, the report says, they piled on fees for “disease screening” and shipping. That one aborted baby reportedly brought the company $2,275. The House Investigative Panel found Stem Express generally marked up the baby parts by 400% to 600%.
        
        http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/15/mcaleer-planned-parenthood-investigation-finds-horrifying-criminal-practices/
        
        The full report –
        
        https://energycommerce.house.gov/sites/republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/files/documents/Select_Investigative_Panel_Final_Report.pdf
        
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        January 28, 2017 1:44pm
      - chiz
        
        Reading Comprehension isn’t your strong point is it Fletch? The quote shows that PP sold things to other people who then on-sold them and that it was those other people, not PP, who made the profit.
        
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        January 28, 2017 2:09pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        chiz – now you put forward your alternate facts – it seems so much less horrific. Selling baby parts for no profit …. so they could be sold for a profit.
        
        Oh – that’s all right then!
        
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      - Disaster Area
        
        So due to the fact that Planned Parenthood was investigated as a result of the videos and no prosecutions or sanctions were imposed on it, would you admit that they have done nothing illegal?
        
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        January 28, 2017 5:31pm
- Gabby
  
  Direct quote of a lying sack of shit you mean.
  
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  January 28, 2017 11:18am
rightoverlabour

Why is this not on stuff? Because it does not go with their left wing fuck the unborn agenda. Go Trump. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/27/donald-trump-march-life-full-support/
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January 28, 2017 8:46am
- EAD
  
  Perhaps the sickest part of some on the lefts “mentality” is their unconditional support for the termination of the life of the defenseless unborn yet their unconditional support for the “human rights” of murderers, paedophiles and rapists, especially if they’re a so called “minority”
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10659169/Harriet-Harman-admits-paedophile-group-joined-her-civil-liberties-group-in-the-1970s.html
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:11am
  - fernglas
    
    I don’t see the inconsistency, unless you happen to believe that a foetus is a human which is not a universally held view.
    
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    January 28, 2017 10:35am
  - Disaster Area
    
    ‘their unconditional support for the termination of the life of the defenseless unborn’
    
    I think it would be more accurate to say ‘their unconditional support of a woman’s right to chose how she deals with what may be an unwanted and potentially life-threatening pregnancy without judgement as she makes one of the hardest and traumatic decisions she will ever face.’
    
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    January 28, 2017 10:44am
  - SPC
    
    The real division is over supply of fertility services in general – the goal of planned parenthood is no unwanted pregnancy.
    
    At the core of the pro life campaign is an agenda to equate sexual activity with procreation (remnant of a historic marginalisation of non procreative forms of sexuality) – and contraception to women and use of condoms is contrary to this.
    
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    January 28, 2017 11:30am
  - kowtow
    
    Funny innit , Norway allows all and sundry to come in on their taxpayers’ dime to have abortions , only they call it “foetal reduction”. Must be a really hard call , which twin to murder?
    
    “Foreign women are looking to Norway due to an interpretation of the nation’s abortion law by the Justice Ministry’s legal department. Although the law does not mention foetal reduction specifically, the ministry’s interpretation ruled that there is no legal obstacle to stop women who are pregnant with twins or more from aborting one or more of the healthy foetuses.”
    
    http://www.thelocal.no/20170105/why-foreign-women-are-seeking-abortions-in-norway
    
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    January 28, 2017 11:39am
- BeeSting
  
  Anything that lowers the Birth Rate is promoted
  it is all part of the calculated policy of
  WHITE GENOCIDE
  
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  January 28, 2017 11:48am
  - Komata
    
    And all the while the birthrate of the Muslims (both the invaders and those who have been allowed-in ‘legally’; and who retain their religious beliefs and ‘separateness) continues to rise….
    
    There is, of course. absolutely NO connection between these two events!
    
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    January 28, 2017 4:05pm
Steve (North Shore)

Mexico will not pay for wall.
Really?
https://www.rt.com/usa/367987-mexican-cement-help-trump-wall/
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January 28, 2017 8:49am
- fernglas
  
  It looks to me like not only will Mexico not pay for the wall, but it will make a healthy profit out of building it. I saw an article earlier in the week saying there were doubts that they could get enough US citizens to build it, so they would likely have to use Mexican labour. Couple that to a Mexican company building it (with tunnel design by El Chapo) and you have a win/win for Mexico.
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:05am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Very skilled man that El Chapo
    
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    January 28, 2017 9:11am
  - PhilBest
    
    I always thought Trump was just using exaggeration for effect, to signal that he was completely serious about controlling illegal immigration, and winding up the lefty MSM critics, when he countered criticism of his wall policy with “we’ll get Mexico to pay for it, too”. A lot of his followers took it this way.
    
    But now that the Mexican government is trying to salvage some amount of trade freedom with the USA, Trump is telling them the number one condition will be “you pay for the wall”. They agree to that as condition number one, he starts talking about everything else.
    
    It possibly could happen, you know….
    
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    January 28, 2017 9:17am
    - SPC
      
      Delusional, just like Trump.
      
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      January 28, 2017 11:21am
DifferentPerspective

Lying Obama lies again but 2008 Obama contradicts 2016 Obama

Hilarious – in 2008 Obama when asked about voter fraud and vote rigging said

“Look I come from Chicago, soooooo I want to be honest (snort) it’s not as if just Republicans who have monkeyed around with elections in the past, sometimes Democrats have too”

even more hilariously, he goes on to call for an independent function in the DoJ that is free to investigate voter fraud.

So what the F*** is he complaining about the same thing now that Trump wants to do it???

And the media – well they’re reporting fake news with alternate facts – the way an opposition would!

And Trump’s approval rating is going up! This is after a week – imagine how popular he’s going to be in a year!

8 more years – it’s going to hard of Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers!
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January 28, 2017 9:05am
- Paulus
  
  Hillary lost in spite of the various corruptions, possibly more in Democrats favour – we might see.
  Of course Democracy only works when Socialists win.
  Eh Angry !
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:14am
  - PhilBest
    
    Angry Andy is just a bit of a long-term distraction from the fact that the socialists won the long war in 2008. We have had government all the way from 1999 till now, faithfully executing the socialist long-term agenda. An illusion of change was created in 2008, that’s all.
    
    The socialists are conducting long term political war and they are dam good at it. The “centre right” is just a pack of amateurs playing musical chairs.
    
    I doubt anyone who is anyone in National these days ever even read Hayek in their life, let alone Horowitz’ “The Art of Political War and Other Radical Pursuits”.
    
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    January 28, 2017 9:23am
    - Komata
      
      And how many Nats can recall the party’s thoughts on ‘the Communist menace’? Very few I would suggest, and then only the Boomers and their parents.
      
      Socialism: Thy name in New Zealand is the National Party.
      
      (But what is the alternative….?)
      
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      January 28, 2017 4:09pm
      - PhilBest
        
        Heck, how many people can remember what John Key said in 2007 about WFF and housing affordability and urban planning?
        
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        January 28, 2017 4:14pm
Happychappy

Over the last couple of months I have not been a fan of David Seymour or what he has suggested but his comment about Waitangi Day being taken to all the Tribes around NZ meaning each year a different gets to host it and would follow the same way of how the Treaty was signed. I realize a lot on this site think Maori get to much now but maybe this suggestion might help to celebrate this day peacefully.
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January 28, 2017 9:05am
Stars And Stripes

While we are talking about worthwhile agencies I will give a big thanks to the volunteer staff at the SPCA in my town who do a great job.
Also Mr Wang at the local Chinese takeaway who deals with all after hours enquiries regarding lost pets.
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January 28, 2017 9:07am
- Nukuleka
  
  Better watch it, Dame Devoy will be on your case!
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:56am
B.L.Zeebub

The insanity multiplies,
https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/01/womens-march-trans-activists-upset-march-focused-female-genitalia/

As well, posters reading “This pussy grabs back” and “pussy power” only served to reinforce the idea that “having a vagina is essential to womanhood,” trans women said.

What the fuck ever happened to maturity?
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January 28, 2017 9:18am
- ross411
  
  University, and classes like feminist dance theory.
  
  By the way why should university students have to pay for their own education just because they come out earning more if they choose a worthwhile degree!? Lalalalalalala… 😯
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:24am
- jonno1
  
  Sorry, hit Report by mistake. Fat fingers on a fone. But yes, the immaturity of such people beggars belief.
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:39am
  - peterwn
    
    Happens too easily especially where is no ‘reply’ button (nesting too deeply). An ‘unreport’ button would be useful.
    
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    January 28, 2017 11:29am
- Inandout
  
  An anti Trump feminist finally flips her lid.
  
  http://3ipycv2ugat81cqgps20hwke.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/the-snake-pit.jpg
  
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  January 28, 2017 9:45am
- PhilBest
  
  There is a beautifully-titled book by a psychiatric doctor: “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness”.
  
  The basic thesis is indeed one of arrested development. These people just never grew out of the child’s temper-tanty “it’s not fair” phase.
  
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  January 28, 2017 10:10am
  - fernglas
    
    Does it include chapters on megalomania and psychopathy? Or does the pursuit of political power spring from the same aquifer as liberalism?
    
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    January 28, 2017 10:42am
- Komata
  
  B.L:
  
  Re: ‘What …ever happened to maturity?’
  
  It went to university and was never the same again…
  
  (Well, you DID ask)
  
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  January 28, 2017 4:12pm
BeeSting

Praise the Lord and Pass The Ammunition

NICE WORK TRUMPY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJfJPxLntZU
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January 28, 2017 9:24am
Longknives

Nadal vs Federer is going to be bloody awesome!
Two genuine legends of the sport going head to head in the Big One..
And you can guarantee that unlike a certain Female competitor neither of them will throw a strop, behave like a spoiled child if they lose, or make ludicrous claims to being the ‘Greatest Athlete of all Time’…
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January 28, 2017 9:28am
Stars And Stripes

Laneway introduce women’s safe zone
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/88830695/laneway-introduce-womens-safe-zone-after-kim-vinnells-harassment-by-drunk-men.
“Laneway publicist Josie Campbell said the space would provide “non-judgemental support and an area for those needing space away from other festival goers”.

How sweet.
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January 28, 2017 10:06am
- Longknives
  
  What the heck is a ‘Women’s Safe Zone’? Does that mean no Blokes??
  And why would you even go to a Concert with tens of thousands of people if you are so precious??
  
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  January 28, 2017 11:08am
- kowtow
  
  If the “assault” on Vinnell was so serious and if as she and her supporters are claiming she’s standing up for wimmins rights to ensure no repetition , why have those two brain dead morons not been reported to the police by Lady Kim , now posing as a Dame in Shining Armour?
  
  That would be the most practical step , instead of tracking them down and seeking even more publicity in order to manufacture even more anti Male outrage.
  
  My take ? There’s a serious problem with socialisation of certain young New Zealanders , who talk with underclass accents , behave like louts and have no interest in work.
  
  They are not typical , thank God , but they do represent a class of idiots the media and academics seem to consider special and in need of extra resources and attention , instead of a good kick in the arse.
  
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  January 28, 2017 11:55am
Fletch

By the way – the March For Life is happening in Washington right at the moment. You can bet there won’t be any looting, smashing of windows, limosines set alight, or trash left lying everywhere.

Live coverage – https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/10155051466531336/
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January 28, 2017 11:49am
- SPC
  
  The law abiding actively seek to use law to criminalise others and identify as better people than them. Faith and activism.
  
  So long as they are not shooting medical staff, or threatening them etc
  
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  January 28, 2017 12:06pm
Southern Raider

Just read in Herald that at this weekends Laneway festival they have introduced a women’s only area. You need to identify as a women (what ever that means) and then you can go there if you are feeling overwelmed or need time out. There will be phone charging stations and people to offer emotional support

FFS
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January 28, 2017 12:01pm
- KevinH
  
  Will there be a safe zone for males who likewise might be feeling overwhelmed and need space?.
  And no I don’t mean a holding tank.
  
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  January 28, 2017 12:14pm
  - Disaster Area
    
    Can I just ask when you last felt ‘overwhelmed’ or that you ‘need space’ because of the unwanted and repeated attention from a group of females that left you feeling unsafe and afraid of attack?
    
    If your wife/daughter/niece had to use one of these areas because of a man or group of men, you’d probably change your opinion. Or at least I’d hope you would.
    
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    January 28, 2017 12:46pm
    - Viking2
      
      Everyday. I walk among them. 😆
      
      all day
      
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      January 28, 2017 3:05pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        And yet somehow they manage to keep their hands to themselves!!
        
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        January 28, 2017 6:46pm
Inandout

I read a copy of the DomPost in a cafe today and found they haven’t let up on Trump. I am glad I don’t subscribe to this publication, but I suppose public servants and Labour diehards do. Their editorial on ‘Trump supporter’ Thiel writes of ‘protecting our taonga’ from foreigners FFS, perhaps being unaware it was Labour who let this wealthy American in.
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January 28, 2017 2:24pm
- Viking2
  
  Umm Born in Germany.
  
  Oh dam another German born internet mogul.
  
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  January 28, 2017 3:06pm
Fletch

Captain Kirk confronts Ashley Judd…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghVSZNYPXtw
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January 28, 2017 2:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NIWA are raining on Peter Dunne’s petition to change school holidays to February.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/323291/no-guarantee-of-sunny-days-with-later-holiday-start

Brought to you from sunny, hot Gizzy where I haven’t seen rain for 35 days!
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January 28, 2017 3:16pm
- Viking2
  
  Niwa poof
  
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  January 28, 2017 7:48pm
Disaster Area

This could get interesting.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/01/27/calexit-california-nation-may-begin-collecting-signatures-ballot/
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January 28, 2017 5:56pm
BeeSting

Fat Choi to you to

Get some Yip Man up you
only done 7 on 1 in training
10 on 1 is this is the business

Chinese Communist Propaganda but it is great to Watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_h5mVxlw_M

Know the White and Keep the Black
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January 28, 2017 6:43pm
nasska

2020 Olympic High Jump results:

Gold – Mexico
Silver – Mexico
Bronze – Mexico
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January 28, 2017 7:30pm
- Viking2
  
  Pole Vaulting, parachuting, gliding, monster horse jumps, paragliding.
  A whole new bunch of competitive sport.
  
  Oh I nearly forgot wall climbing.
  
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  January 28, 2017 7:50pm
Viking2

Nordstrom announced they will stick by Ivanka Trump amid liberal calls for a boycott of her brand.

Co-President, Pete Nordstrom said in a statement,

“We’ve heard from customers, including some who are a long time loyal customers, threatening a boycott of Nordstrom if we continue to carry the line. Similarly, we’ve heard from customers who say they will boycott Nordstrom if we stop carrying the brand”

“All the products sold at the department store are selected by their results and Ivanka’s brand has grown to be a sizable and successful business.”

Results matter. Liberals better get used to it, because their fairytale version of the world is over. Caput. Done.

Talk, like a boycott, is cheap. Numbers don’t lie. Results matter.

A new world for all liberals started on Jan 20th. I doubt they are ready.
http://www.usasupreme.com/nordstrom-announced-will-stick-ivanka-trump/
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January 28, 2017 7:52pm
Viking2

All four of the career officers had submitted letters of resignation shortly after Trump’s inauguration – a longstanding tradition that empowers the new administration to select its own staff, should it wish to. However, presidents usually do not accept those resignations until successors have been found and confirmed. Trump’s hasty housecleaning leaves a void at the department: Combined with the recent retirements of other senior staff, Wednesday’s departures leave the State Department with virtually no one experienced at managing its domestic bureaucracy, overseas offices, and staff, according to Rogin.

“It’s the single biggest simultaneous departure of institutional memory that anyone can remember, and that’s incredibly difficult to replicate,” said David Wade, State Department chief of staff during John Kerry’s tenure, told Rogin. “Department expertise in security, management, administrative and consular positions in particular are very difficult to replicate and particularly difficult to find in the private sector.”

Trump will drain the swamp share if you agree!
http://www.usasupreme.com/state-department-officials-resigning-stunning-act-protest-president-trump/

Ain’t it fun.
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January 28, 2017 7:58pm
- BeeSting
  
  HAPPY NEW YEAR
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olZa90QHYEI
  
  Off your knees America no more bowing to S C U M
  
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  January 28, 2017 8:11pm
Jack5

Good article by Brian Gaynor in the Hooerald about the importance to NZ of the sale of the big industrial lender, UDC, to China.

Gaynor also looks at the Chinese takeover of an NZ meat company and says China is gradually big stakes in NZ food processing.

Perhaps NZ needs someone like Trump to run the show.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11789973
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