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peterwn

So a guy in Masterton spent the weekend in the police cells because he was forgotten about. He is entitled to damages (unlawful custody is a ‘strict liability’ matter), the only matter being of how much? My gut feeling is $10,000. He is due to be sentenced for a drink-drive and his lawyer will try and leverage this incident to mitigate the penalty.
There are some issues here:
1. His lawyer and an opposition spokesperson are claiming that cost cutting is the cause of the problem. However there is only likely to be a couple of JP’s, a court clerk and one or two police officers in the court on a Saturday morning in any case so cost cutting does not seem to be an issue.
2. He was nicked on Friday evening for allegedly breaching a bail condition – no background information on this yet. The issue here was whether the breach potentially endangered the public that he needed to be taken into custody. That he was to be bailed after Saturday’s court hearing indicated that the breach did not need immediate police attention. The police could have better used their time catching burglars and asked the probation officer to follow him up on Monday. If the police did consider that he needed to be nicked on Friday night, they should just given him a rark-up, bailed him again and told him to report to the court 10am Monday.
3. This raises the issue of why the District Courts even need to be ‘open’ on Saturday mornings to deal with Friday night arrests. They are not open Sunday mornings. And once an offender appears there is little a JP can do than accept police advice on whether the prisoner should be bailed or held until Monday. Even a District Court Judge is unlikely to make anything more than an interim decision. The Law has traditionally required that anyone arrested by the police has to be held in custody and brought before the court at the first available opportunity – this historically being an important constitutional safeguard. However in more recent times the police can grant bail or otherwise release someone from custody (eg an intoxicated person who has sobered up) on their own initiative. There are also various safeguards against inappropriate custody that did not exist in the old days. There are safeguards within the Police as well as the ability of the Independent Police Conduct Authority. There there is really no need for the Court to sit on Saturday mornings to deal with those arrested on Friday Nights. If the accused’s lawyer considers that holding the accused until Monday morning is outrageous in the circumstances, then the lawyer can request an urgent hearing (the District and High Courts have a 24/7 contact person available for lawyers and there are ‘duty’ judges available). So the Government should legislate if need be to abolish Saturday court hearings.
4. I suspect this is a case where the police used ‘process’ to teach the accused a lesson, but the accused received a stronger lesson than intended. The use of court process as a form of ‘punishment’ is totally unacceptable and the justice system needs to recognise this and there needs to be disincentives to use the courts in this way (eg full costs awarded against the accusers).
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January 19, 2017 9:48am
- alex Masterley
  
  I thought the bloke spent the weekend in the Court Cells.
  If so the Court staff should have checked to see if they were empty.
  Having said that I agree with Peters suggestion that there may have been some attitude behind what happened.
  
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  January 19, 2017 9:51am
  - peterwn
    
    AFAIK court cells are managed by Corrections (if on site) or the Police. Court staff may not even have the keys except possibly spares in the court safe. Anyway I doubt that any more than one court employee was on site at lockup. I agree there should be a process to ensure the cells are empty when the courthouse is closed. The custodial officer should leave them unlocked at the end of the day so the court staff member doing the courthouse locking up can check them.
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:05am
    - G152
      
      Should have could have…
      Heads should roll..
      There can be no excuse.
      The cop who was ‘doing’ the paperwork for the victims release didn’t bother to give the victim the completed papers?
      Pay the victim for the improper and illegal imprisonment he suffered…
      Dont bother with taking it to the ‘Independant’ Police complaint whatever. You’ll never hear anything except excuses about how the Police are exonerated and its most probably the victims fault anyway
      
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      January 19, 2017 11:26am
- Disaster Area
  
  To imply that he was left in the cells for 48 hours ‘to teach the accused a lesson’ is interesting.
  
  I would suspect that someone may well be in line for an interview without coffee for this, and if it’s found to be deliberate, they would have to been willing to accept the potential of severe sanctions to their career.
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:04am
  - peterwn
    
    The intention may have been to lock him up overnight to ‘teach him a lesson’, but the locking up beyond then was unintentional (but totally unacceptable). Nevertheless there seemed (on available information) no reason or justification to lock him up overnight – the option was available to the Police but it would be hard to prove a malicious intent. In the circumstances his sentencing should be delayed for three months and then he should be discharged without conviction as long he has not driven for those three months (though this may not be possible under the Sentencing Act).
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:12am
    - Disaster Area
      
      If you were going to lock somebody up overnight to teach them a lesson, I would hope that you’d remember in the morning!
      
      Perhaps somebody with knowledge would be able to explain the process of being in the cells. My understanding is that in the UK, there is a legal duty to check ‘guests’ at regular intervals.
      
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      January 19, 2017 10:24am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  My gut feeling is $10,000
  
  He is entitled to damages but that is far too much. The amount is to compensate him, so should leave him no better or worse off than if the incident had not happened, i.e. if he was offered a sum of money to spend a weekend in a cell without food, it should be the minimum amount he would accept. No more than $500.
  
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  January 19, 2017 11:45am
  - peterwn
    
    Damages awarded in the Baigent’s case was $20,000, the Police went to the wrong place and despite being told and realising it was the wrong place did a search anyway. The Crown fought this but the Court considered that the Police conduct had to be denounced.
    There was negligence in the Masterton case and in any case unlawful detention of a person is a ‘strict liability’ matter – that is the custodian is liable for damages even if there was no negligence on part of the custodian (eg a prison manager who calculates an actual prison term using accepted methods is liable for damages for unlawful detention if a court rules the method was incorrect – of course Crown Law would act for the manager and the Crown would pay the damages). The conduct in the Masterton case needs to be denounced therefore something significantly more than token damages is warranted and $10k seems about right or is even on the light side.
    
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    January 19, 2017 1:00pm
- dime
  
  first of all .. LOL @ shit bag.
  
  i think a coffee voucher at the local BP should suffice..
  
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  January 19, 2017 1:32pm
oldpark

Weather “bomb ” in Wellington ,what a lot of” fake news” .A bit of wind and rain has now passed,and we now await another Weather “bomb” on Sunday. “Fake news” sells Newspapers.
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January 19, 2017 9:52am
- Inandout
  
  Nothing sells newspapers these days.
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:03am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Very good
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:08am
  - Paulus
    
    Even the Herald.
    Over coffee this morning I looked at this rag and guess what Bryan Gould pontificating again – as an abject failure both as a politician and a very poor answer at a second rate university he should keep his mouth shut and go enjoy his Gold Card..
    This rag also has some ? woman called Rachael something – what a nasty bitter person.
    Now Rosy McLeod is on the shit stir again.
    Do these people realise the rubbish they are putting in and the rag can find nothing better to spend money on.
    I have suggested to my Coffee Bar owner she hides it when we regularly come in. But she says there are enough idiots who think it is gospel, and she gets it at a very cheap special rate for the bar.
    My wife – the wise one – says do not look at it as it only takes my blood pressure up.
    We cancelled delivery years ago for the same reason.
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:55am
    - Inandout
      
      Shouldn’t that be the Gould Card?
      
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      January 19, 2017 1:51pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I heard that ISIS took responsibility for the weather bomb.
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:14am
  - VicParking
    
    I have 500 weathers and not one of them has exploded.
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:25am
    - G152
      
      Hopefully you meant wethers?
      
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      January 19, 2017 11:29am
  - mara
    
    They lied. It was Russia.
    
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    January 19, 2017 11:01am
- stephen2d
  
  I look like a dick taking down my trampoline nets, hammering 8 giant pegs on it, telling all & sundry to do the same. Woke up with blue skies and birds singing, no wind at all! :/
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:56am
  - Komata
    
    Stephen2d
    
    Re: ‘Woke up… no wind at all!’
    
    All of which only indicates that you didn’t have baked beans or brassicas’ for dinner last night…
    Thank goodness you didn’t consume any licorice…
    
    (Just saying; in a caring way).
    
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    January 19, 2017 11:55am
    - stephen2d
      
      😀
      
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      January 19, 2017 12:50pm
Griff

2016 was the hottest year on record, setting a new high for the third year in a row, with scientists firmly putting the blame on human activities that drive climate change.

The final data for 2016 was released on Wednesday by the three key agencies – the UK Met Office and Nasa and Noaa in the US – and showed 16 of the 17 hottest years on record have been this century.

Direct temperature measurements stretch back to 1880, but scientific research indicates the world was last this warm about 115,000 years ago and that the planet has not experienced such high levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere for 4m years.
In 2016, global warming delivered scorching temperatures around the world. The resulting extreme weather means the impacts of climate change on people are coming sooner and with more ferocity than expected, according to scientists.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/18/2016-hottest-year-ever-recorded-and-scientists-say-human-activity-to-blame
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January 19, 2017 9:54am
- Manolo
  
  I hear you, Griff. 😀
  
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  January 19, 2017 9:56am
- pdm
  
  Griff -it is nature!!
  
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  January 19, 2017 9:57am
- Inandout
  
  Tell that to those in the lower North Island and beyond. More like winter today.
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:02am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Indeed; it was a balmy 20* overnight, which made sleep difficult. But I have just been out, it’s raining, the wind has died, and the car thermometer was registering a less-than-balmy 13*C.
    
    Has anyone seen summer?
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:18am
    - holysheet
      
      shh don’t tell mad griff, summer is still coming.
      
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      January 19, 2017 10:19am
      - jcuk
        
        My wife says we had it last year [ at end of calender year] now it is winter again ….
        
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        January 19, 2017 12:40pm
    - RJA
      
      All us here in Napier have had a wonderful summer, be it a tad windy. Come join us. It is a touch of heaven here.
      
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      January 19, 2017 10:36am
    - Paulus
      
      Yes, Tauranga with few exceptions has had great weather as usual.
      Long may it stay over to the west of the Kaimais.
      Trying to rain today but will be back tomorrow to usual.
      Why live anywhere else – was once many years in both Wellington and Auckland before the BOP.
      
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      January 19, 2017 10:58am
      - Viking2
        
        Paulus, be quite. we have enough of the road choking jaffa’s and such here now. don’t need anymore for the next two years.
        They are just fucking the place up.
        
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        January 19, 2017 6:38pm
    - Komata
      
      KS: Last Friday wasn’t it?
      
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      January 19, 2017 11:57am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      We are still hanging out for rain here in Gizzy…..
      nothing since before Xmas.
      
      Some is forecast for 4pm today…..
      probably will be just a few drops, though.
      
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      January 19, 2017 1:16pm
- mandk
  
  If the world was this warm 115,000 years ago, what caused the warmth then?
  Why do you attribute the warmth now to human activity, when it clearly wouldn’t have been the cause 115,000 years ago?
  And how did the ancient hominids survive in what you surmise would have been hostile conditions 4 million years ago, when the level of CO2 was as high as it is now.
  
  Obviously, climate is currently changing, as it has always done, but it seems to me that you want to join dots that shouldn’t necessarily be joined.
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:11am
  - Brigitte
    
    Natural and man made can co-exist. After all, no one died from gunshot wounds 2,000 years ago – but that doesn’t imply that they can’t today.
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:21am
  - mikenmild
    
    How quickly do you think that change 115,000 years ago occurred?
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:29am
  - Griff
    
    but it seems to me that you want to join dots that shouldn’t necessarily be joined.
    
    It is not me you are disputing mandk
    It is every major scientific body on the planet the peer reviewed literature and basic physics .
    That makes you a gibbering loony tune my friend .
    Just because past changes did not come from human actions does not mean present changes can not be from human actions .
    Simple logic.
    To simple for the stupid .
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:30am
    - RJA
      
      Its a La Niña year and we can expect it to be hot. Let’s see what the temp is next year. Will you withdraw comments if it is colder than it has been for a while – because it will be.
      
      And the increase in temp this year is what?? Micrometre measure.
      
      What Global temperature would one expect today – as we trend away from an Ice age – if no man influence? “Record highs”.
      
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      January 19, 2017 10:45am
      - Griff
        
        Its the trend stupid ….
        https://tamino.wordpress.com/2015/01/20/its-the-trend-stupid-3/
        Note the date of this blog post and the tend since .
        
        What Global temperature would one expect today – as we trend away from an Ice age – if no man influence? “Record highs”.
        
        The globe was cooling until our emission overwhelmed the natural factors .
        https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/styles/inline_all/public/marcott2-13_11k-graph-610.gif?itok=HrOTBQaE
        Present in this context is 1950 …
        That you dont even know this makes you another ignoramus spurting out bullshite.
        Yes it will probably be slightly cooler over the next couple of years .
        Regression to the trend
        We just broke the record three years in a row.
        Barring a major volcano or meteor strike we will not see temperatures as cool as say 1998 again for many generations.
        BECAUSE OF BASIC PHYSICS undisputed for over a hundred years
        That many on here deny .
        Making them gibbering anti science nut jobs
        
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        January 19, 2017 1:54pm
    - mandk
      
      You might be correct, my religious friend, but you never got round to answering the questions.
      
      Nor did you answer a while back when I asked you about a graph DPF posted that showed no warming for a 40 year period in the middle of the last century when there was an increase in dirty industrialisation on a massive and global scale.
      
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      January 19, 2017 10:52am
      - Griff
        
        Here is all the reply you are with mandk
        
        Despite being ignorant about what science says you believe it is wrong .
        That is faith..
        At lest I have made an effort to educate my self rather than wittering stupid bullshit from ignorance .
        
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        January 19, 2017 2:08pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Its the lunatic Griff. Don’t bother arguing. He resorts to personal attacks instead of scholarly debate. Maybe he should pass NCEA level 1 Geography before posting here with adults. And, no Griff, I wont be responding to your reply, so don’t bother.
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:07pm
- dime
  
  lies. our carbon tax fixed global warming
  
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  January 19, 2017 1:58pm
- Fletch
  
  I just looked at the official GISS figures again.
  Go to https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/# and where the blue link just above the graph says ‘Global Annual Mean Surface Air Temperature Change’, click it and change it to “Monthly Mean Global Surface Temperature”.
  
  When I looked last month, the newest anomaly reading shown in red on the graph (the ‘Land-Ocean Temperature Index’) was at 0.95C. Now it has dropped even further to 0.81C. You can read the number by mousing over.
  
  So the temperature is definitely coming down.
  
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  January 19, 2017 1:58pm
  - Fletch
    
    ps, Look at the graph – it has monthly averages going back to 1995. The temperature right at the moment, according to the red ‘Land-Ocean Temperature Index’ is 0.54C hotter than it was in 1995. So, just over half a degree warmer in 21 years (and yes, with some fluctuation because of El Nino etc). My response is – so? Seems pretty acceptable to me. And is there any proof that it is human-caused?
    
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    January 19, 2017 2:10pm
    - Griff
      
      Yes fetch it is called science.
      Basic shit they teach to kiddies.
      1824
      Fourier calculates that the Earth would be far colder if it lacked an atmosphere.
      
      1859
      Tyndall discovers that some gases block infrared radiation. He suggests that changes in the concentration of the gases could bring climate change.
      
      1896
      Arrhenius publishes first calculation of global warming from human emissions of CO2.
      
      We have increased the amount in the atmosphere by 40%
      This results in the earth retaining more heat .
      Not something a primitive whacko living in a dream world with magic zombie bits is going to understand is it .
      So yon just keep wittering to your pathetic bronze age god and leave the real world to modern man… eh.
      
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      January 19, 2017 6:25pm
Inandout

The lawyer spoke to ZB last evening but skirted around the question of why no one reported his 48 hour absence. The lawyer was obviously angling for a share of the ‘award’, latching onto the ‘unlawful custody’ aspect. There is more to this than we know.
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January 19, 2017 9:57am
- peterwn
  
  I briefly wondered this too. However the only person who would have known he was there was the police officer who turned the key. All things equal his family would have reported him ‘missing’ and the police would have put 2 and 2 together. Perhaps he lives alone or the missus had gone away for the weekend. He did something odd to attract police attention on the Friday.
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:20am
Paulus Gnome

Bit of an interesting read that may have been missed, due to the holiday beach cricket series, by Martyn van Beynen:

In the article van Beynen tells us at lot that we already know but is worth repeating to beat out the cacophony of noise from the left:

‘I don’t need to count all the blessings of living in New Zealand but today’s so-called poor would have a better standard of living than most of the ordinary middle class in the egalitarian land of milk and honey of the 60s and 70s.

Low-to-middle-income households also effectively pay no income tax. Single-earner families with two children, for example, can earn up to around $60,000 before they pay any net tax.

In addition, around half of all households with children receive more in welfare benefits and tax credits than they pay in income tax.

In international terms, the difference between the lowest 20 per cent of household incomes in New Zealand and the top 20 per cent is on a par with Italy, France and Australia. We are not as good as Denmark but better than the UK, the US and Japan.

It’s true the most wealthy 10 per cent of New Zealand households hold about 50 per cent of the household wealth but that’s the same as Canada, France and Norway.
And don’t forget the top 10 per cent of household income earners pay 35 per cent of all income tax collected, and receive only 5 per cent of all transfers (mostly superannuation).’

I await the shrill calls for a war on inequality and fairness from the left for the next nine months that hopefully will just recede into white noise as time goes on.

Hell may have no fury as a woman scorned is almost matched by a SJW with a bone.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/88173421/Martin-van-Beynen-There-is-no-inequality-crisis
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January 19, 2017 10:04am
- Paulus
  
  Am I rich because I worked hard for over 40 years saving for my pension, and own my own house, which has risen in sales value outside my expectations ?
  On paper I am a millionaire but have little spare cash money over our super.
  
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  January 19, 2017 11:02am
  - Viking2
    
    aah no, you are rich because your mind made it so.
    What ever you believe you can achieve.
    
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    January 19, 2017 6:43pm
- jcuk
  
  But the badly organised make it so for themselves.
  
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  January 19, 2017 12:47pm
Happychappy

Isn’t great when you can forget about the values Labour was founded on for the working man and throw Health and Safety out the window so you can pander and agree with Winston Peters bottom line the re entry of the Pike River Mine. This coming from a man that holds the Government to high standards of the poor or unfortunate for the Quality of damp and mouldy state and private Rental accommodation in NZ. But now is prepared to throw away what he calls his high standard to chase his dream and achieve becoming Prime Minister of NZ. Can NZ afford to have Andrew Little and the Labour Party Govern NZ when they are more interested in their own endeavour’s before the majority of NZer’s.
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January 19, 2017 10:05am
- mandk
  
  Agreed. Helen Kelly must be spinning in her grave.
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:15am
- Chuck Bird
  
  If push comes to shove English will agree to seriously consider the Pike River families report which includes changing the ownership from Solid Energy.
  
  The legislation is typical knee jerk legislation.
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:16am
  - peterwn
    
    Bill and co should read the works of Niccolo Machiavelli. Niccolo would have had no problem leveraging the situation to his advantage.
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:31am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I doubt it Chuck. Let the Pike River 29 remain where they are, and seal the mine as a permanent memorial to them.
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:32am
    - Paulus
      
      Where did the $30,000,000 plus to which our family gave generously to the bereaved families gone.
      Bernie – for God’s sake give us an honest answer if that is possible.
      Why will nobody answer this – I have asked regularly with not a squeak.
      Perhaps Winston and Angry can answer. Winston is good at stealing taxpayer’s money and not paying it back. So he must be an expert.
      
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      January 19, 2017 11:06am
    - Gabby
      
      Pop Dick Knapp in there first.
      
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      January 19, 2017 11:39am
- Rich Prick
  
  As an aside, they (RNZ) keep referring to it as a “rescue mission”. I can only assume those words are used to evoke some kind of emotion, because there is certainly nothing to be “rescued”.
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:26am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Quite so RP; the mine will have effectively become a crematorium, and there will be little, if any, human remains left.
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:33am
- VicParking
  
  Its all due to Andy’s rose coloured contact lenses.
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:29am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Isn’t this the same Andrew Little who when in charge of the EPMU said that conditions in the Pike River mine were just fine?
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:35am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Quite so Cap’n; this from Against the Current:
    
    The EPMU represented approximately half of the 140 miners on the site.
    
    After the first explosion the EPMU strongly defended the management of PRC.
    
    EPMU National secretary Andrew Little (now a Labour MP) told the New Zealand Herald on November 22 2010 that there was ‘nothing unusual about Pike River or this mine that we’ve been particularly concerned about’.
    
    He then appeared on TVNZ’s Close Up to again defend PRC management.
    
    He told Close Up that underground mining was inherently unsafe and the risk of gas explosions, particularly on the West Coast, was high.
    
    While the industry was aware of the risks and took the necessary precautions, unfortunately these kinds of incidents still happened, he argued.
    
    On November 26, 2010 the Dominion Post ran an article that denounced ‘wild’ rumours that the mine was not safe. It declared that “Any suggestion of obvious or known safety lapses does not find traction with unionised staff or union leader Andrew Little.’
    
    Andrew Little’s conciliatory views toward PRC management were echoed by Labour MP Damien O’Connor. He suggested that no one was responsible for the accident and that the disaster was ‘just one of these things that the West Coast unfortunately has had to get used to over the years’.
    
    http://nzagainstthecurrent.blogspot.co.nz/2014/12/how-andrew-little-failed-pike-river.html
    
    I can understand Winston Peters cuddling corpses for political advantage, because Peters has no scruples whatsoever. He will stoop at nothing if there is a headline in it.
    
    But Andrew Little (Labour Party leader) is a very different beast from Andrew Little (EPMU boss) c2010. This is a massive about-face from him, which suggests it’s far more about attention-seeking than anything else.
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:43am
    - sooty
      
      Andrew Little, you had better hurry home to mummy and ask politely if you can have your balls back! You will need them for the rest of this year, you seem to be lacking the x factor. You seem to have blown this latest thing on pike river. You can not afford to squat or you will get shafted.
      
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      January 19, 2017 10:58am
    - Gabby
      
      So you’re advocating for stronger unions are you? Or just keeping smug?
      
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      January 19, 2017 11:41am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        “So you’re advocating for stronger unions are you?”
        
        No, less hypocritical union leaders/politicians.
        
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        January 19, 2017 11:48am
kowtow

Life’s too short to waste on screeds of Met office propaganda. Designed to gain funding , control populations through fear and increase govt powers and taxation.

These are adjusted figures. “Hide the decline” comes to mind.
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January 19, 2017 10:06am
- Griff
  
  ROFL
  Your ignorance makes you look like an idiot .
  yip They adjust the data set to remove components that distort the accuracy .
  This includes Urban heating effects , station moves ,changers in sampling methods and other distortions in the data
  The only problem for the gibbering loony tunes
  is the net result of all the adjustments is to reduce warming trend .
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:18am
EAD

Mass migration to Europe isn’t going to end – not for decades. Economists forecast that with Europe’s birth rate falling and its native-born population rapidly ageing, the continent’s available labour force is contracting. In fact, Europe faces a worker shortage measured in the millions until at least 2050

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/15/migration-deaths-europe-davos-strategy

I find it incredible but entirely the unsurprising of the automatic acceptance of the notion that unless GDP is constantly rising we are somehow doomed. This is one of the major “justifications” for immigration: there just won’t be enough workers. But what would be so terribly wrong with simply allowing the population to decline? We wouldn’t need all these workers then.

And in any case, a very high proportion of people nominally in work are, to all intents and purposes, unemployed. They are being paid to do jobs that simply keep them off the dole. Who would miss all those Local Authority ‘Diversity Outreach Officers’ and all those ‘lecturers’ at the former polytechnics, now filling the so-called undergraduates’ heads with rubbish?

The reality is that we have constantly to grow the economy solely to satisfy the absurd system by which governments get themselves into the debt and interest spiral of (((Central Banking))) usury. Those mystery elites, of whom this article writes,
http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/so-lets-play-game-of-who-are-elite.html?m=0 and in of whom we are is all scratching our heads to identify, certainly do know how to play the system.

Step outside of this crazy system and two things will happen: firstly, for a time, there will be unheard of economic prosperity; a veritable economic miracle. And secondly, after say six years, your country will be attacked and ruthlessly destroyed, and many of your people annihilated by whatever military powers (((the banking elite))) are currently using as puppet-masters. As indeed a certain gentleman discovered nearly 72 years ago (the last time anyone tried to get out of their clutches).
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January 19, 2017 10:06am
- RJA
  
  And what about the effect of automation (robots) that are going to make most jobs redundant wthin the next few years. It is happening at a staggering rate around the manufacturing world. They should be reducing the number of workers they have dramatically and fast rather than building numbers – if they want to avoid chaos.
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:51am
- Lucia Maria
  
  EAD,
  
  Given that immigration of undesirables into Europe is one of your pet posting topics, could you please be open about your own background. Namely, what is your immigrant background on both sides of your family?
  
  As I have said before, I’m very open about my background. Both parents are Polish, and I’m a 1st generation New Zealander. Personally, I think NZ has been built on immigration.
  
  So, EAD. Have some courage and put up your background. As this is only the second time I’ve asked you this, I won’t call you chicken, yet.
  
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  January 19, 2017 1:06pm
  - Jack5
    
    Lucia, your: “…Both parents are Polish…”
    
    That’s interesting. On Tuesday you said:
    
    On my mother’s side, the surname looks German to me, and my surname, I’ve been told, is Dutch.
    
    On the maternal side, you could have kin among the Germans displaced from what is now Poland, and on the paternal side, you may descend from a Dutch survivor of Napoleon’s Grande Armée. Some survivors in the retreat from Moscow would have been marooned in Poland.
    
    Meanwhile, have you thought yet about turning your damson plums into slivovitz? Home distilling has been legal in NZ for quite a long time.
    
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    January 19, 2017 2:20pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Jack,
      
      the surname on the maternal side, has been in Poland at least since 1838, which is when my great-great grandfather was born near Bydgoszcz. As for my father’s side – that is an interesting theory about Napoleon’s Grande Armée. I’ll find out eventually, I hope.
      
      That is a good idea about the plums. The second, February variety is not very good eating, they might make better alcohol!
      
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      January 19, 2017 3:58pm
      - Viking2
        
        Go to ancestry.com and buy yourself a DNA kit.
        Very interesting and not that expensive.
        
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        January 19, 2017 6:48pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Viking, that’s in the plan.
        
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        January 19, 2017 7:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        Yep, Ancestry’s DNA tests are interesting, and there are heaps of people talking about their tests on Youtube.
        
        However, here’s a sceptical view about the value of genealogy sites’ DNA testing:
        
        http://www.medicaldaily.com/dna-ancestry-tests-are-meaningless-your-historical-genealogy-search-244586
        
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        January 19, 2017 10:43pm
Tauhei Notts

The part about this story that got me is that the drunk said there was no toilet tissue available.
Nearly 49 years ago I spent a night in the Vincent Street cells. I had been exuberantly celebrating the final day of accountancy exams, and was full of piss. I recall from that encounter, which scared the living daylights out of me, that there was no bog roll available, and 49 years later nothing has changed.
A young lawyer, just out of law school, from Buddle Weir appeared for me at the rehearing of the case. Like me he is no longer a young man. It was Julian Miles!
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January 19, 2017 10:10am
- peterwn
  
  That was when the cops had to refer all such cases to the courts, now they can just let the drunk out when he or she had sobered up.
  One drunk in Wellington spent the night in the cells and was hauled up before the magistrate the next morning. The police officer said that the guy’s accommodation house had burnt down during the night and being in the cells saved his life. Magistrate discharged him without conviction.
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:36am
- sooty
  
  They were trying convert him to islam. Wipe with the left, eat with the right.
  
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  January 19, 2017 11:03am
- marcw
  
  I have been told that bog rolls are not provided as when they are , they are used by the micro-brained inhabitants to block the plumbing – thereby getting further attention from their keepers. Of course, none of this sort of behaviour is recognised by the dud judges when they are put on display, so the management rightly decided “Why bother” and just took away the facility.
  
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  January 19, 2017 11:43am
Stars And Stripes

Kiwis to join global women’s march
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/01/kiwis-to-join-global-women-s-march.html

“The marches in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin aim to defend democracy by supporting religious freedom and rights for women, immigrants, and the environment among other values.
This is an unprecedented, organic and viral grassroots global movement that is growing every day organisers say”.

We must have had thousands of these global change movements over the years and how many survived more than a couple of years and actually achieved any of their ambitious goals.
All I can say is I hope it doesn’t rain and don’t forget to have a shave before you go.
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January 19, 2017 10:12am
calendar girl

Two days before the Presidential Inauguration, the “New Zealand Herald” publishes an analysis of President-Elect Trump: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11784609 . The author? NZ-born Rhodes Scholar, academic, and former senior British Labour politician, Bryan Gould.

It was always inevitable that Mr Gould would hold rather different political views from those of Donald Trump; Gould is not known as a socialist ‘centrist’. However, his piece avoids any specific policy analysis in favour of lengthy personal criticism of the new President, a man with “an impetuous and narcissistic approach to government…” (along with many other perceived failings but, strangely, no perceived positives).

The Left simply cannot accept the democratic choice of USA voters. (stephieboy, please spare me another claim that Trump did not win the Presidency democratically.)
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January 19, 2017 10:14am
- Happychappy
  
  It looks like he thought his photo was the essence of the story and the rest of the crap came from the dog.
  
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  January 19, 2017 12:35pm
Stars And Stripes

Kiwis to join global women’s march
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/01/kiwis-to-join-global-women-s-march.html.
“The marches in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin aim to defend democracy by supporting religious freedom and rights for women, immigrants, and the environment among other values.
This is an unprecedented, organic and viral grassroots global movement that is growing every day organisers say”.

Had hundreds of these global movements with lofty aspirations come and go over the years and can’t really see this one being any different.
All I can say is hope it doesn’t rain and make sure you remember to shave before going.
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January 19, 2017 10:20am
stephieboy

‘Bikers for Trump’ to form ‘wall of meat’ against inauguration protesters

“Bikers for Trump” plans to create a “wall of meat” to guard Donald Trumpsupporters from any protesters during his inauguration, the group’s founder told “Fox & Friends” on Sunday.

Chris Cox, the founder of the pro-Trump group, said the bikers will ride to Washington, D.C., and attend President-elect Donald Trump’s inauguration on Friday.

“In the event we are needed, we certainly will form a wall of meat,” Cox said….”

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/314429-bikers-for-trump-vow-to-form-wall-of-meat-against-inauguration
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January 19, 2017 10:23am
- Rich Prick
  
  How cool is that!
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:29am
- Keeping Stock
  
  There’ll be plenty of pork there, I hope 😎
  
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  January 19, 2017 10:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Like the wall of ” meat”heads? Trump supporters for sure!
    
    Maybe a new trend ,Coke and ice pushers for Trump , Pimps for Trump etc ?
    
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    January 19, 2017 10:50am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    There will be a lot of squealing for sure!
    
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    January 19, 2017 5:36pm
- Manolo
  
  stephieboy, at least from this Sat. you’d be able to cast your eyes on a very nice FLOTUS.
  
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  January 19, 2017 11:14am
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo ,only two more sleeps.
    
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    January 19, 2017 12:34pm
- cha
  
  ‘wall of meat’ against inauguration protesters
  
  Dude just finished work and headed for D.C, right after a Macca’s stop….
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2fYnh5UcAAEGqA.jpg
  
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  January 19, 2017 2:05pm
rangitoto

Socialism success. Venezuela has the most millionaires of any country. Only trouble is that a million bollivars is about 300 bucks.
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January 19, 2017 10:24am
Stars And Stripes

Women In NZ To Join Global March
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/01/kiwis-to-join-global-women-s-march.html
“The marches in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin aim to defend democracy by supporting religious freedom and rights for women, immigrants, and the environment among other values.
“This is an unprecedented, organic and viral grassroots global movement that is growing everyday organisers say”.

How many of these global movements with lofty aims have we seen come and go over the years.
All I can say is I hope it doesn’t rain and remember to shave before you go.
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January 19, 2017 10:35am
Brigitte

This Pike River saga seems odd to me. Now, as I see it, when the accident occurred no-one could be prosecuted, presumably even if they had been warned (by the union, for example, which was led by….). So they added some teeth to the law so that the management and directors would be legally liable should they be made aware of any H&S issues.

Now they want to waive those beefed up laws to enter the mine. They can’t use machines in this rescue (methane, no air to operate internal combustion – if there was then explosions would be a serious risk), no idea about tunnel stability (particularly near where the explosion occurred), and if something goes wrong then that proves it’s too dangerous (so rescue team are “on their own”).

And, to compound this further, they would be setting a precedent to waive the law, thus allowing unscrupulous companies to put H&S back to the pre-Pike River days.

Am I missing something here, or is this just the most nutty idea since forever?
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January 19, 2017 10:45am
- Paulus
  
  Didn’t the main explosion occur some two kilometres into the mine ?
  An easy walk !
  
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  January 19, 2017 11:10am
- Keeping Stock
  
  You’re missing nowt Brigette, and yes; on the scale of daft ideas, what Little and Peters are proposing is right up there.
  
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  January 19, 2017 11:23am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Peters and Little in bed together after the Election? Both are deluded
    
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    January 19, 2017 6:43pm
- Komata
  
  No, not the most nutty idea,but rather Winnie and friends trying to make political capital; it is, after all, an election year and on that basis could best be described as being ‘grandstanding’.
  
  Not sure about Bernie Monk’s politics though; it’s probably more about 15 minutes of fame for that individual…
  
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  January 19, 2017 12:36pm
- Viking2
  
  They can’t use machines in this rescue (methane, no air to operate internal combustion
  
  What rescue???
  
  Rescue suggest someone live.
  
  I can imagine them getting down the mine and finding a bunch of bearded mean sitting at a banquet table feasting up large.
  
  These people are screwed in the mind by Monk and his continual obsession.
  
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  January 19, 2017 6:54pm
Stars And Stripes

Why I celebrate Waitangi Day instead of Australia Day
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/88552315/why-i-celebrate-waitangi-day-instead-of-australia-day.

Nice little bit of touchy feely stuff from some bimbo who had an epiphany at a marae and is now all starry eyed about things.
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January 19, 2017 10:46am
- Jack5
  
  Angela Cuming, the writer you refer Stars and Stripes refers to, is on the “NZ is now so diverse” Leftist bullshit themes.
  
  According to the Fearon ranking by diversity, NZ ranks 102nd most diverse and Australia 140th.
  
  On the Alesina ranking by diversity, NZ is way down the ranking – somewhere around the 100th most diverse country.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level
  
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  January 19, 2017 12:00pm
Manolo

Delusion:
http://thehill.com/media/314819-cnn-president-networks-credibility-is-higher-than-ever

CNN President Jeff Zucker says President-elect Donald Trump’s attacks on his network are an attempt to “delegitimize journalism,” adding that CNN’s “credibility is higher than ever.”
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January 19, 2017 11:01am
Manolo

This conman is having a ball:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/al-gore-his-inconvenient-truth-sequel-private-donald-trump-talks-consoling-hillary-clinton-

At home in Tennessee with the former vice president as he opens up about his Sundance opening-night film, his climate-change crusade, his surprising admiration for Vladimir Putin and environmental discussions with the president-elect: “He was receptive.”
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January 19, 2017 11:03am
slightlyrighty

I am gobsmacked by the left fawning over the Pike River Families. What has happened was a tragedy but this playing politics with their grief is now going beyond the pale and the MSM not calling the interchangeable leaders of the opposition on this matter is just as bad.

Are we now getting to the stage that the laws of our land can be rewritten when it is politically expedient to do so?

I was reading the comments on Stuff with regard to Andrew Little tabling a bill to remove Pike River Directors from liability arising from recovery efforts. One Jenny Kirk had the temerity to state that is was good to see someone taking politics out of it.

I don’t think that this issue has been more politicized than it has been in the past week with both Little and Peters engaging in the worst kind of politics, and using the families to gain traction. One might be tempted to allow Littles bill to pass, in the hope that it goes pear shaped and the blame could be fairly and squarely laid at the feet of these two, but I hope that English is above playing that sort of politics with this situation.
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January 19, 2017 11:17am
- alex Masterley
  
  If the proposed bill were to pass, and if there was a failed attempt to enter the mine with the loss of life then I would hold all those in parliament who voted for such legislation responsible.
  I would expect solid energy directors in the face of such legislation to resign as well, assuming that company is still responsible for the mine.
  
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  January 19, 2017 11:48am
  - fernglas
    
    Even if the law is changed, thereby relieving the directors of legal liability, there remains a moral responsibility. If they have a report which says re-entering the mine is dangerous, they would be behaving immorally if they permit re-entry, regardless of whether they would be in breach of the law. Not every decision in life is made solely on the basis of whether the outcome is permitted by the law.
    
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    January 19, 2017 12:00pm
    - rangitoto
      
      I don’t think there are any directors as Solid Energy is in administration. It would be the administrators would be responsible
      
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      January 19, 2017 1:28pm
  - Brigitte
    
    In addition to my earlier comments, there’s the consideration of what will transpire if the recovery does go wrong.
    
    First there will be the accident (whatever it is, probably a cave in or rock fall). Then what? Send in another team to rescue them. And if they get into trouble then what? A third team to enter. When (and how many bodies/trapped people) till time is called. At which point the media will be publishing the ‘last goodbyes’ of the trapped recovery/rescue teams as they wait to die. Or does this stop at the recovery team with no second rescue team entering.
    
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    January 19, 2017 12:46pm
publicwatchpuppy

I am back Kiwibloggers!

Big Dog made me grumpy yesterday being a meany to Miss Paula. I like her! She is nice to me and once gave me a big bone to chew on, said something about it being a silent t-bone. I don’t know the difference between noisy or quiet t-bones but it was tasty!

You all know I helped Big Dog on her mayoral campaign but I won’t help her anymore unless she says sorry to Paula.

You shouldn’t be mean about people and make fun of their name, it isn’t proper.

Thanks for your time Kiwibloggers

PWP
Victorious in the sandpit battle of 2016
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January 19, 2017 11:33am
- Keeping Stock
  
  You forgot to add the “Political Satire” tag PWP.
  
  Penny’s post yesterday seemed to be arguing that it is OK to call people stupid names or use personal abuse (which, of course, she doesn’t do) as long as you tag it “Political Satire”
  
  Therefore, Penny Bright is a batshit-crazy hypocritical, rates-dodging half-wit who applies different standards to everyone else than those she applies to herself.
  
  #PoliticalSatire
  
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  January 19, 2017 12:07pm
  - publicwatchpuppy
    
    Mr Stock, nice to hear from you again!
    
    PWP likes you, you are funny and sensible and nice to puppies!
    
    I dont know what satire is, I will have to google it… but my friend little Johnny once told me explaining a joke means you have failed in being funny. Is that what you mean??
    
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    January 19, 2017 2:09pm
- Gabby
  
  You’re not a puppy once you’ve been spayed.
  
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  January 19, 2017 12:26pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    You’d know sweet thing
    
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    January 19, 2017 1:42pm
    - Gabby
      
      You’ve hated the vet ever since, squaawwwkie.
      
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      January 19, 2017 3:53pm
SPC

It’s bad enough that the government did away with the R and D tax credits, but the science research base for industry development upon which companies are beneficiaries is also struggling under this government.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11784229

If we do not stop being the nation with low levels of investment in science research and R and D we will remain one (bottom of the OECD still?)with low productivity and low pay. Put a CGT on property and put the funding into improving our performance. Or we will remain low paid while spending half of it on over-priced housing.
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January 19, 2017 11:54am
Stars And Stripes

‘My husband and daughter are having an affair’
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11785006.
“A woman in the US has opened up to an advice columnist with a plea for help over a desperate situation involving her husband and her daughter.”

Simple solution to your problem lady.
Move to New Zealand with your family and set up home in Mt Roskill then you will be amongst friends as everyone is doing it.
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January 19, 2017 12:44pm
Manolo

A slobbering affair:
https://news.grabien.com/story-watch-sycophantic-white-house-press-corps-shower-obama-adula

President Obama began his final press conference on a surprising note. Despite “not liking all of the stories you’ve filed,” he told the gathered White House press corps, it’s you’re duty to ask “tough questions” and not be “sycophants.”

Too bad reporters were apparently not paying attention. What followed was one softball after another, with rhetorical foot massages sandwiched between.
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January 19, 2017 1:24pm
- Inandout
  
  Never in the history of US presidential elections have the news media been so blatantly one sided in favour of one candidate. And apparently they haven’t learnt anything from Trump’s victory, so will pay dearly as they sink into the mire.
  
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  January 19, 2017 1:59pm
  - Fletch
    
    Just like Homer…
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBWABbW6FGE
    
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    January 19, 2017 2:22pm
- Gabby
  
  Flatter them and they’ll roll over for a tummy tickle. It worked for Ponyboy too.
  
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  January 19, 2017 3:42pm
Fletch

The Saturday Night Live ‘Susan B Anthony’ skit. Susan was a women’s rights advocate in the 1800s-1900s (similar to our Kate Sheppard). Stick around for the surprise at the end (not something I thought SNL would do).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwIaK35LL08
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January 19, 2017 1:48pm
jonar

http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/blondehaired-moth-with-small-genitals-named-after-donald-trump/
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January 19, 2017 2:10pm
- Fletch
  
  http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2016/0909/Parasite-named-for-Barack-Obama-That-s-a-compliment-right
  
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  January 19, 2017 2:14pm
Manolo

stephieboy will love it:
https://twitter.com/raniakhalek/status/580479012360884224

“More women fly F16’s in Israel than drive cars in Saudi Arabia.”
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January 19, 2017 2:16pm
Fletch

Update from James O’Keefe. Ryan Grim, from The Huffington Post now supports the truth in his new videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLjI915Zw9A
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January 19, 2017 2:28pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , from your link this,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/results?q=%23PedoFiles
  
  Do you seriously believe this Breitbart based Pizzagate garbage ?
  
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  January 19, 2017 3:03pm
  - Fletch
    
    Nope. Don’t know anything about it. Not from my link.
    
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    January 19, 2017 4:35pm
Jack5

How someone turned the El Salvador deportees into an industry.

How long before there are Auckland-based call centres serving China?

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/23/the-deportees-taking-our-calls?mbid=nl_January%2016th%202017%20(4)&CNDID=27594376&spMailingID=10253883&spUserID=MTMzMTgyODYwNzI1S0&spJobID=1081488782&spReportId=MTA4MTQ4ODc4MgS2
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January 19, 2017 2:47pm
Captain Mainwaring

Look at the state of this woman and look at the state of her lawn.
Clearly not a lot of pride going on there.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/88491324/prisoners-in-our-own-home
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January 19, 2017 2:55pm
- fernglas
  
  That’s the second time she has taken her snivelling to the media; she did the same in October last year and got very little sympathy then. From that report (in the Herald, that time)
  
  “”We worked closely with Ms Standen to find her a new home in Hamilton that’s close to her family – in fact we offered two homes, one for her and one for her mother, across the road from each other.
  
  “We also made sure she was close to other family. When she was offered the house, her brother who lives very close by went to look at the houses before they moved in and told her they would be great.”
  
  However Standen said this was not true. She said she requested a transfer to Hamilton but did not specify Nawton because she didn’t know the area, and she didn’t know at the time that her brother was living in the city.
  
  “He didn’t even know we were moving until after we moved in,” she said.
  
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  January 19, 2017 3:36pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  “The mother-of-two says she has been sick in hospital with an abscess due to stress three times since moving.”
  
  Stress is not usually the cause of an abscess but obesity is which would fit her profile well so some rather dubious claims being made here.
  Zero care from me.
  
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  January 19, 2017 3:41pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    It’s funny how there is always a health angle, whether it’s a child or the moaner him/serself. And you’re right, if she dropped about 25kg she’d avoid some of the unpleasant things she’s clogging up the health system as well.
    
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    January 19, 2017 4:04pm
- waikatogirl
  
  So she was happy to take the handout of several $k from Paula’s moving fund. Now she apparently wants to be paid to move back to Auckland.
  
  I’m sure, like other Hamiltonians’, we’re happy for her to leave Hamilton as long as she does it without another hand-out from the Govt.
  
  I wouldn’t want to live in Nawton, but then I don’t have to as I have worked hard so I can have better options.
  
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  January 19, 2017 6:33pm
cha

Hopefully Erdoğan’s cuddling up to Putin means Russia gets to keep him.

http://www.factmag.com/2017/01/18/istanbul-record-store-closes-following-last-years-radiohead-event-attack/
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January 19, 2017 3:03pm
- Gabby
  
  He’s a poisonous little shit.
  
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  January 19, 2017 3:38pm
cha

You couldn’t make this shit up.
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Passwords used by Donald Trump’s incoming cyber security advisor Rudy Giuliani and 13 other top staff members have been leaked in mass hacks, a Channel 4 News investigation can reveal.

[…]

Staff whose accounts also appear to be affected by the hacks in recent years include people who will from Friday at 12pm take roles as:

the Secretary for the Interior
the Secretary for Labour
the Press Secretary
the Director of the Domestic Policy Council
the Director of the National Trade Council
Head of Social Media
Chief Trade Negotiator
Director of Oval Office operations
and many others

Trump’s team have not commented on this story.

https://www.channel4.com/news/trump-cyber-tsar-giuliani-among-swathes-of-hacked-top-appointees
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January 19, 2017 3:43pm
- rangitoto
  
  Your bank pin number is a bit useless cha. The machine says insufficient funds.
  
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  January 19, 2017 4:16pm
  - cha
    
    The mattress you knob, under the fucking mattress!.
    
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    January 19, 2017 4:22pm
Viking2

So just to piss ztev and his ilk off.

Xero has confirmed chairman Chris Liddell will have to give up his role as a director and chairman of the cloud accounting firm in the wake of his appointment as a top aide to United States president Donald Trump.

Xero said in a statement to the NZX that Liddell had notified the company of his need to step down due to his new job as an assistant to Trump, and would relinquish his roles at Xero on Friday.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/88581732/chris-liddell-resigns-xero-chairman

and as usual and on que the lefty no gooders have launched a barrage of social media attacks on zero.
Chief executive Rod Drury has been fending off a backlash on social media about Liddell’s appointment as head of Trump’s strategic initiatives team.

Fuck there are sad head cases in this world.
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January 19, 2017 4:22pm
- holysheet
  
  It’s all good. How many of these snowflakes are actually clients of Xero? And would they be missed if they left?
  Xero would be far better off without such flakey people.
  
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  January 19, 2017 5:45pm
- Reid
  
  It’s interesting the meme has spread so far into our domestic lefty herd. That shows it’s going to last, amongst the lefties.
  
  Originating in Washington they’ve clearly used powerful propaganda juju to insert it into the empty, receptive minds that eagerly await it.
  
  Aren’t lefties stoooooooooooooopid.
  
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  January 19, 2017 6:03pm
  - Viking2
    
    Aren’t lefties stoooooooooooooopid.
    
    Yep and vindictive if Obama is anything to go by. What an arsewipe he turned out.
    
    I’m all for lowering taxes. Just so we can stop handing out to so many low calibre sponging useless greedy snowflakes.
    Sooner the better never mind they might have to bite the bullet and earn their living and save or spend more wisely.
    
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    January 19, 2017 7:19pm
Reid

Excellent assessment on the Russian military from The Saker:

http://thesaker.is/the-best-armed-forces-on-the-planet/

If you’re interested in geopolitics but you don’t read this guy, you should be.
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January 19, 2017 5:41pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid, best armed forces on the planet.? By what criteria and tested in what combat situations especially against the US armed forces or equivalent others ?
  
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  January 19, 2017 6:04pm
  - Reid
    
    Why don’t you read the fucking article dumbo, then you might find out.
    
    Moron.
    
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    January 19, 2017 6:09pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid, I have read some of it and nowhere does the article show the Russian armed forces pitted in actual combat situations against equivalent US or other ones .
      
      Have I missed something ?
      
      You have this habit of spouting forth about Russian hi tech combat aircraft like Sukhoi Su 35 and perhps rightly so . But the final proof will be in actual combat condtions against equivalent Western and US ombat aircraft .Thankfully this has never happened and we can pray together never will.
      
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      January 19, 2017 6:24pm
      - Reid
        
        Dummy, read it again. Your question indicates fundamental misunderstanding at the deepest possible level.
        
        He names a number of ops to illustrate his points.
        
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        January 19, 2017 6:28pm
      - stephieboy
        
        The Saker at best only provides simulated combat situations Russia vs the US and only because there have been no actual ones ?
        
        Right ?
        
        Pretty typical of Saker to provide old Soviet Cold war styled empty rhetoric and bombast
        
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        January 19, 2017 6:32pm
      - Reid
        
        Wrong dummy, read it again, this is my last response since its a waste of time responding to you.
        
        Don’t lie again, he names ops, you know he does. I thought some lefties had integrity. Clearly you’re not one of them, lying as you do.
        
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        January 19, 2017 6:39pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , I’ll just leave bragging rights to the Saker and you .
        
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        January 19, 2017 7:47pm
      - mikenmild
        
        The Saker was recently named as one of the top Russian propaganda sites, I seem to recall…
        
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        January 19, 2017 8:33pm
- Gabby
  
  If they’d just lay off the antifreeze.
  
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  January 19, 2017 6:07pm
Manolo

Griff’s wettest dream:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/01/18/u-s-scientists-officially-declare-2016-the-hottest-year-on-record-that-makes-three-in-a-row/?utm_term=.b919315f5d5e
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January 19, 2017 5:45pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, how many more sleeps to go ?
  
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  January 19, 2017 6:07pm
  - Gabby
    
    Manny can’t sleep. He’s got a big sock tied to the bedpost and a little cookie for santa, and he’s refraining from rubbing one out so he doesn’t drop off.
    
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    January 19, 2017 7:22pm
- Reid
  
  So’s this:
  
  ICE AGE Down to -52C: Russians freeze to death as strongest-in-decades winter hits
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PeZRKbUSHc
  
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  January 19, 2017 6:09pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid , according to this report Russia also expereince unusally warm temeratures for the Northern summer ,
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/21/2016-worlds-hottest-year-on-record-un-wmo
    
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    January 19, 2017 6:33pm
Fletch

Anyone know where we can watch the Trump inauguration? I don’t think any of the TV stations will have it. Have to be streamed online, I guess…
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January 19, 2017 6:33pm
- Gabby
  
  Chump’ll tweet through the whole thing.
  
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  January 19, 2017 6:51pm
- nasska
  
  …..”I don’t think any of the TV stations will have it”….
  
  None of them would have sufficient “safe spaces” or therapy puppies to guarantee the recovery of their traumatised staff Fletch.
  
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  January 19, 2017 6:53pm
Reid

BOMBSHELL – Top Trump Advisor Survives ASSASSINATION Attempt Hillary???

He’s got polonium poisoning. That’s quite hard to get, isn’t it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT0mlgju2H4
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January 19, 2017 7:16pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Maybe he knows too much? Especially with all the heat on Trump’s Russian connections.
  
  It’s not like it hasn’t happened before: Putin implicated in fatal poisoning of former KGB officer at London hotel
  
  That’s if your story pans out … interesting how you want to connect it to Hillary straight off the bat.
  
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  January 19, 2017 7:21pm
  - Reid
    
    Why would Trump do in one of his own people Lucia?
    
    …interesting how you want to connect it to Putin straight off the bat.
    
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    January 19, 2017 7:28pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Not Trump, Reid.
      
      And of course Putin. He’s done it before.
      
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      January 19, 2017 7:38pm
      - Reid
        
        Yes. Apparently, Iraq had WMDs as well.
        
        You can show people the truth Lucia but you can’t make them see it.
        
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        January 19, 2017 8:10pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Yes, Iraq did have WMD:
        
        The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons
        
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        January 20, 2017 9:52am
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , I think we know where this could be leading. Much like Pizzagate] I would say ,
      
      http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-trump-operative-roger-stone-survives-assassination-attempt/
      
      Ho Hum !
      
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      January 19, 2017 7:41pm
      - Reid
        
        No we’re not going anywhere near that stephie. All confused are we? Again?
        
        You poor thing. It’s becoming a habit mate, you should see someone.
        
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        January 19, 2017 8:11pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid, shall we get some evidence and facts that Roger Stone actually succumbed to polonium poisoning ?
        
        Go ahead . You present the factual and evidential details ?
        
        Like this ?
        
        http://time.com/4594988/pizzagate-gunman-comet-ping-pong-regret/
        
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        January 19, 2017 8:58pm
Viking2

Its model for building modular homes offsite at a factory, keeping costs low, was praised by Housing Minister Nick Smith at the time.

“The sort of technology being developed by ABT is part of the solution to New Zealand’s housing challenges in that it involves scale and prefab construction as well as apartment-style design,” Smith told the Herald in 2015.

Smith picking winners as the Nats. are prone to do. It was never going to work. Might in China but never in NZ. Plenty have tried right from the days of Barry Beazley in Mt. Maunganui and Keith Hay in Auckland.
Worse now with the covenants on subdivisions which will not allow these to be plonked there and with all the building regs to go with a new house.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11785269
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January 19, 2017 7:25pm
- nasska
  
  The only covenant that is needed on a subdivision is a moratorium, of say fifty years, on the houses becoming rentals. Nothing but nothing reduces an area to a slum quite like a lack of owner occupiers.
  
  Leave it to a natural pride that comes with home ownership & all will be well.
  
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  January 19, 2017 8:01pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So what point are you trying to make? Barry Beazley and Keith Hay were very successful.
  
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  January 19, 2017 9:34pm
  - Viking2
    
    Engage your brain before you rush to print.
    
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    January 20, 2017 7:08am
Manolo

The future of the progressives is at risk, says the clown Biden.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/18/joe-bidens-final-speech-at-davos.html
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January 19, 2017 8:01pm
- Reid
  
  And as we witness here in little ole NZ with our own pwogwessives in a similarly parlous state, none of them, not the leaders, not the troops, none of them, take responsibility for what they have lead their own movement into, with no-one forcing them, no-one coercing them, with a compliant, willing media that lacks nothing apart from integrity and objectivity, with all of that, they still don’t blame the people in the mirror.
  
  What sort of a total a-hole would one need to be to consider not just buying a sub but actively participating in such a movement? Full of such shallow, venal childishly emotional cowards?
  
  Mix shoulders with those dudes? I’d rather go to a bar full of ISIS supporters. Oh wait. Evidently, from their foreign policies, so would they prefer that, too.
  
  If you were a lefty in the street, just a good, warm-hearted (if slightly girly) bloke who just wanted to save the world quietly, one victim at a time, wouldn’t ya just be so fucking ashamed to be a part of the same organisation these total a-holes use as a vehicle to install themselves into the levers of power so they can “achieve” the above listed?
  
  And yet we have many right here on KB GD.
  
  Then again, look at them, and consider, this is the creme de la creme we see here, imagine what the rest of them are like.
  
  Well, we already know, don’t we.
  
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  January 19, 2017 8:22pm
  - nasska
    
    How did you get a copy of the photo of my college reunion Reid? 🙂
    
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    January 19, 2017 9:03pm
    - Reid
      
      I was there nasska. You didn’t notice me because I was dressed like Flossie. But I was there…
      
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      January 19, 2017 9:09pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Reid:
    
    If you were a lefty in the street, just a good, warm-hearted (if slightly girly) bloke…
    
    I thought the typical lefty in the street was a sandal-wearing, beige-cardigan-wearing, bearded girly-man? (At least that’s what Redbaiter led me to believe!)
    
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    January 19, 2017 9:13pm
    - Reid
      
      That’s the one Nosty. I’m pretty sure you’d find people like stephie and mm et al own a terrific number of cardies not to mention matching socks and sandals.
      
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      January 19, 2017 9:32pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, we will leave it to Reid and your capable hands ,
  
  http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NLOh6jT0XLA/VbguVM-zOuI/AAAAAAAABHQ/TQm0s3aFcPk/s1600/conform.jpg
  
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  January 19, 2017 9:21pm
Nostradamus

My favourite Publicwatchpuppy comment:

Tail Wags and Belly Rubs to you all!!

I sense that Penny is more of a cat lady though. Just a hunch!
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January 19, 2017 9:10pm
- nasska
  
  You could be right Nostra!
  
  http://obeythekitty.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/crazy_cat_lady_toxo.jpg
  
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  January 19, 2017 9:17pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    Any symbolic significance in the fact that there seem to be 9 cats in that box? If a cat has 9 lives, does it mean it’ll take Penny that many unsuccessful campaigns before she finally (as she often puts it) “makes history”?
    
    Edit: Perhaps there are 10 cats in the box. False alarm!
    
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    January 19, 2017 9:20pm
    - nasska
      
      I seem to remember Penny saying that if she drops below four cats she stocks up again at the SPCA.
      
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      January 19, 2017 9:25pm
      - Reid
        
        Is that because she keeps putting them on her head and they fall off and keep running away?
        
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        January 19, 2017 9:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        According to the Indian Weekender, Penny shares her house with 3 cats.
        http://www.indianweekender.co.nz/Pages/ArticleDetails/15/3947/Profile/Penny-Bright-Speaking-up-against-the-corrupt-corporate-coup
        
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        January 19, 2017 10:04pm
      - Jack5
        
        Three cats! So Penny Dull is a witch, with three familiars to detect capitalist evil spirits.
        
        Maybe like the Norse goddess, Freyja, Penny has a vehicle pulled by cats. A spectacular form of private transport, with a motor that truly purrs.
        
        Did any kids disappear in Penny’s street at Halloween?
        
        Or, from Nasska’s comment that if she drops below four cats Penny stocks up again at the SPCA: that hat – it’s not cat fur is it?
        
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        January 19, 2017 10:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        3 cats is just right! I have 3 cats. My lovely neighbour has 3 cats…. my best friend has 3 cats….
        
        Adorable
        http://americanpetgrooming.net/wp-admin/includes/three-cats-hugging-6115.jpg
        
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        January 19, 2017 11:02pm
Manolo

Time changes it all:
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2017/01/19/flashback-journalists-mocked-trumps-announcement-joke
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January 20, 2017 6:26am
Manolo

Publicity seekers and snowflakes converge:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/01/18/queer-dance-party-mike-pence-house-maryland/96744014/
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January 20, 2017 6:56am
Viking2

Another over paid airhead performer.

Bernadine Oliver-Kerby says Donald Trump evokes in her the same feeling she gets when she uses a public restroom and the seat is already warm

I cannot stand Donald Trump.

I’m talking personality, not so much politics. I can take or leave some of his policy, but I cannot stomach the man.

And I just can’t ignore the chance to take aim at a walking “free-shot”at the affluent target who talks effluent. (In fact, he evokes the same feeling I get when I use a public restroom and the toilet seat is already warm. It kind of grosses me out.)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11785590
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January 20, 2017 6:57am
Viking2

And more. Its inauguration day.

The Bay will awake to a new US President tomorrow morning as Donald Trump becomes the world’s most powerful man.

And judging by the mood on the streets, most won’t be happy about it.

The Bay of Plenty Times heard a few choice words in Mount Maunganui while seeking opinions about the inauguration of the most divisive presidential candidate in living memory.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11784971

Go Trump and lets get someone with some nuts here as well.
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January 20, 2017 7:01am
Viking2

And inevitably Rosemary McLeod comes in with her miserable Scottish attitudes.

Your definition of obscenity may be what Donald Trump is accused of getting up to in a hotel in Russia.

Mine is about the money he’s worth, which is more obscene than any random combination of adult orifices could be.

I don’t hold with billionaires. The news this week that two New Zealanders are worth as much as the poorest 30 per cent of adults here is, then, not thrilling news to me. We’re told that Graeme Hart is worth $9 billion and Richard Chandler $3.8b, and Finance Minister Steven Joyce seems to think that’s a good thing. Just so long as everyone gets the chance to get that rich, he says, there’s nothing to worry about, besides which lots of people are motivated by such trail blazers.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11783758

we can see why they are broke and poor. Its there attitude to others.

One wonders if we did an audit of people like McLeod whether she would actually be in the 1%.
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January 20, 2017 7:03am
Tauhei Notts

Bernadine Oliver-Kerby says that Trump grosses her out.
When I think of a gross I think of the 144 inane comments that silly moll has made about Trump.
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January 20, 2017 7:04am
iMP

The RINSING of Colin Craig as “improper” “vexatious” and “a deception on the court” of 6 Dec is here by Judge Sharp

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/01/judgement-arrives-colin-craig-cops-one-chook/
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