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Manolo

Will it become reality?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4116414/Everyone-Muslim-stupidity-Catholic-leader-says-Europe-Islamic-state-migrant-crisis.html

An important figure in the Catholic church has warned that everyone in Italy will ‘soon be Muslim’ due to the country’s ‘stupidity’.

Italian Archbishop, Monsignor Carlo Liberati, said that the growing number of Muslim migrants in Europe and increasing secularism will lead to Islam becoming the continent’s foremost religion.

The Bishop Emeritus of Pompeii said: ‘In 10 years we will all be Muslims because of our stupidity. Italy and Europe live in a pagan and atheist way, they make laws that go against God and they have traditions that are proper of paganism.
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January 14, 2017 8:05am
- Reid
  
  Why are the leaders blaming the people when it’s the leaders who did this to the people not the other way round?
  
  I mean the people were powerful morons for letting them over these decades slice the elephant so that eventually, the leaders knew they could get away with what they have.
  
  Which is why I call them sheeple.
  
  But you’d think wouldn’t ya the sheeple might stop being sheeple once in a while and actually learn something.
  
  But apparently not quite yet.
  
  Aren’t sheeple stoooooooopid.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:13am
  - cmm
    
    ” Why are the leaders blaming the people when it’s the leaders who did this to the people not the other way round?”
    
    The people only have themselves to blame. They chose the leaders based on who handed out the best lollies in the moment and not on stuff that matters down the road.
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:56am
- PhilBest
  
  It is one of the weird things about western decadence that Catholic countries, once famed for their birthrates, now have some of the biggest demographic collapses. What is Italy, 1.2 children per woman now?
  
  Not saying Protestant countries are inherently any better. Or Japan, not part of Christendom at all. But Catholics are still the butt of ridicule over clerical attitudes to birth control; yet it would seem the Catholic rank and file doesn’t give a toss what the spiritual leadership says.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:18am
  - mikenmild
    
    Demographic collapse? What do you suggest, force women to have more babies?
    Italy Muslim in 10 years – complete bullshit.
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:28am
    - PhilBest
      
      There are perverse incentives to traditional family formation that could be addressed; eg housing affordability – always a problem due to modern save-the-planet eco-lunacy; taxation treatment of 2-parent households.
      
      Apart from that, just run with the demographic collapse and don’t base policy on the concept that importing young people on a multi-culti, relativist basis is going to do anything other than make the problem worse.
      
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      January 14, 2017 8:47am
    - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
      
      https://youtu.be/CrA_9SoCitk
      
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      January 14, 2017 12:59pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Not saying Protestant countries are inherently any better.
    
    I would! 😉
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:12am
    - PhilBest
      
      For collapsing birth rates or PC multi-culti sellout? How’s the Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians etc coming along with that?
      
      The only bright spot in christendom now, though, is the less clericalised, less denominational “evangelicals” / “fundamentalists” mostly based in the USA.
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:58am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        There are exceptions – Catholic Poland for example. Church attendance is actually on the rise in that country. And the Church is growing in places like Korea, China, India , Africa etc.
        We are in what may be called the “Post European Era”. 🙂
        
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        January 14, 2017 10:17am
      - Kimbo
        
        The only bright spot in christendom now…
        
        There is no such thing anymore. Don’s right – we are in the post-Christian-era. Doesn’t mean Christianity is over. It never needed Caesar’s blessing, and indeed, some books in the biblical canon – both Old and New Testament, such as Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, the Acts of the Apostles and the Revelation – are their to underline that point.
        
        Not so good for various political and ideological agendas seeking to leverage and take advantage of the Christian faith for at-times sub- or even anti-biblical ends. Such as (to quote you) “evangelicals” / “fundamentalists” mostly based in the USA. That you can more or less equate evangelicals with fundamentalists shows how bad the slide has become.
        
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        January 14, 2017 10:24am
      - Kimbo
        
        Sorry, Don. Misread your post. “Post-European”? Interesting. Time will tell, although even that phrase doesn’t imply that European culture disappears, just that its hegemony is over. But then that scenario presupposes a self-fulfilling “clash of cultures” that some around here seem to think is a self-evident truth when it ain’t necessarily so.
        
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        January 14, 2017 10:34am
      - PhilBest
        
        My point was the “less clericalised” aspect, which applies to both evangelicals and fundamentalists, at least as I understand the reference in Encyclopedias of Religion, to make them. It seems that a “clergy” is what is prone to infiltration and takeover, while a church that is based on laity participation is less so.
        
        I don’t think it is right to make the categories of fundamentalist and evangelical mutually exclusive, either. There would be plenty of evangelising done by fundamentalists. It is a more modern phenomenon, that near-secular-self-help gurus call themselves “evangelists” and fill stadiums. These movements are as next to useless against PC, as the established churches with an infiltrated clergy.
        
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        January 14, 2017 1:16pm
      - Kimbo
        
        It seems that a “clergy” is what is prone to infiltration and takeover, while a church that is based on laity participation is less so.
        
        Outwardly that can seem the case. but in reality there is always a “priestly class” defining and guarding the “true faith”, and shaping practice. Like this guy:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Ham
        
        or this one:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Lindsey
        
        I don’t think it is right to make the categories of fundamentalist and evangelical mutually exclusive, either.
        
        Yes, true.
        
        There would be plenty of evangelising done by fundamentalists.
        
        But, despite the name, “evangelising” is not the defining factor in evangelical belief and practice, more an out-growth. You need to go back to the Reformation, and then, in the English-speaking world, the Wesleyans for the roots of evangelicalism. But in the USA, ever since the second great revival, it has been ‘a mile wide and an inch deep’. Personal experience and anti-intellectualism have, sadly, dominated. Or at least they have once Abolitionism, Prohibition and the New Deal ran their course. It has been said that the story of American Christianity is the victory of Arminianism over Calvinism. Sadly that is true. Hence, as you observe, evangelicalism has degenerated to the point where…
        
        It is a more modern phenomenon, that near-secular-self-help gurus call themselves “evangelists” and fill stadiums. These movements are as next to useless against PC, as the established churches with an infiltrated clergy.
        
        But the “established churches” are withering away, and are next to powerless anyway. But you are sort of right. Sadly, much “evangelicalism” is a form of existential and intellectual escapism.
        
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        January 14, 2017 2:26pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I’d also make the point, Philbest, that the great Swiss-German theologian, Karl Barth, “the” theologian of the 20th Century was rightly distrustful of cultural concerns usurping the Gospel (“evangel”). The essence of Christianity is that, before God says “yes” to us in Christ, he says “no” to us, including and especially our culture. For Barth that meant initially rejecting the liberal “universal fatherhood of God/brotherhood of all men/upward march of European progress” that characterised 19th Century liberal Protestant theology, which had came crashing down in the Great War
        
        ..and it also meant him publicly opposing the Churches (both Protestant and Catholic) which hailed Hitler and the Nazis as “gifts from God”, and founding the “Confessing Church” in its place. Seems obvious now. Of course the Nazis were anti-Christian. Not so clear, even if you were a member of the nation that gave the world ‘kultur”. Which is how one’s own culture can blind. Like a fish swimming in water, one is oblivious to it.
        
        And which is also why, sadly, proponents of preserving our “Judaeo-Christian culture and heritage” are just as much enemies of the gospel as Islamists, and neo-Marxist SJWs. Christ is counter-cultural. Any attempt to co-opt him for one’s ideological, political or cultural ends will fail, because that is a denial of his Lordship.
        
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        January 14, 2017 2:58pm
      - GoVege
        
        Don’t forget the Islands, Don.
        There are more churches (per person) in Samoa than any other country on the planet.
        A new half a mill one was opened last week.
        But what good are they actually doing for the people?
        Contraception is extremely difficult to obtain, abortion is illegal.
        Families are huge and poverty is widespread.
        (That’s why nearly all Samoans want to come here.)
        Also last week it was alleged that a place set up for abandoned kids is feeding babies tea to save money and the carer threatens to hit any babies who cry.)
        And Samoa is way better than many of the Pacific Islands.
        Christianity is not doing much good for any of them.
        
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        January 14, 2017 4:41pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Appears the Archbishop and the Bishop Emeritus have been reading too much Eurabia demographic time bomb BS .
  
  http://www.timesofisrael.com/eurabia-fears-rise-after-terror-strikes-myth-or-reality/
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:35am
  - Scorpion
    
    What is happening in Europe is a deliberate and planned attempt at:
    
    WHITE GENOCIDE
    WHITE GENOCIDE
    WHITE GENOCIDE
    
    and you can usually proof that even further
    because most who say it is not are the ones behind it.
    
    READ READ READ READ
    http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/12/communists-really-do-want-white-genocide/
    
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    January 14, 2017 11:13am
    - PhilBest
      
      I have always regarded Trevor Loudon as an excellent researcher and someone who worth noticing. He doesn’t subscribe to the loony Alex Jones / Stormfront conspiracy stuff, but he has been decades patiently assembling and archiving the contemporary history of the western radical left in his lifetime. His ability to produce a dossier on some social justice agitator when they come to prominence, is impressive. He seems to have searchable archives on, for example, who were the attendees at “peace and justice” conferences anywhere in the world since around the mid 1970’s.
      
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      January 14, 2017 1:23pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Trevor Loudon is a nutter who collects information on anyone who doesn’t share his peculiar views. He started to collecting profiles of anti-nuclear activists, who he imagined were all working for the Russians.
        
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        January 14, 2017 4:58pm
- cmm
  
  I don’t think it will become a reality.
  
  White people are very nice and accommodating…. until you push them too far.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:55am
  - Reid
    
    Hardly of us have yet awoken cmm and we’ve been pushed very far indeed. I’d say the program’s working, to date.
    
    Although this Muslim push into the EU might be a bridge too far too fast and will force the sheeple to wake up. You only need about 10%, that’s the critical mass before it breaks out at the water coolers.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:18am
    - PhilBest
      
      Kinda “Emperor’s New Clothes” phenomenon, where someone has to be brave or naive enough to be first to just say it as it is, and instead of being jumped on and squashed, it spreads.
      
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      January 14, 2017 10:01am
- Kimbo
  
  The Bishop Emeritus of Pompeii said: ‘In 10 years we will all be Muslims because of our stupidity. Italy and Europe live in a pagan and atheist way, they make laws that go against God and they have traditions that are proper of paganism.
  
  So to be clear, the solution to being under theocratic rule is….to place yourself under an alternate theocratic rule?! Because, in the context of Italian society, politics and not-too-distant history, that’s what he means…
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:11am
  - Disaster Area
    
    But it would be HIS theocratic rule.
    Obviously HIS God is the right God.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:23am
    - PhilBest
      
      Actually the best thing that ever happened to Europe, was “The Reformation”. Same God but just greater freedom to access and process Holy Writ. This is self-evident from history if you look at it.
      
      “Enlightenment” philosophy coming adrift later on from its moral moorings, is what led to Fascism and Communism.
      
      EDIT: and a lotta contemporary neo-marxist stuff that bodes no good for our civilisation.
      
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      January 14, 2017 10:04am
    - Kimbo
      
      Just as the Renaissance gave birth to the Reformation, so the Reformation gave birth to the Enlightenment.
      
      But I wouldn’t be so quick to write off the Enlightenment, or say that that communism and fascism an inevitable outcome. Or at least that is what I think you are implying. It didn’t in the USA. Or Britain and her colonies. Mind you, no doubt reflecting my biases, I’d suggest that Protestant theology played a part in those countries (German Lutheranism was too passive about the state compared to other later forms of Protestantism, especially Calvinism, plus there was always the Catholic South of Germany that stopped it being a Protestant nation like Britain and the Netherlands)
      
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      January 14, 2017 10:42am
      - PhilBest
        
        Agree. In fact there seems to be a good enlightenment and a bad enlightenment. John Locke, sometimes referred to as the father of the enlightenment, really anticipated even the Reformation, and his entire arguments for liberty etc were based on the Bible. The other strand of enlightenment, represented by say Voltaire, is quite different to this, and is more an apostasy than an appeal to first principles like Locke.
        
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        January 14, 2017 1:26pm
      - stephieboy
        
        John Locke( b 29 August 1632 – 28 October 1704), anticpated the reformation ??
        
        Generally reconised as the father of Liberlism ,
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke
        
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        January 14, 2017 1:29pm
      - Kimbo
        
        John Locke, sometimes referred to as the father of the enlightenment, really anticipated even the Reformation, and his entire arguments for liberty etc were based on the Bible. The other strand of enlightenment, represented by say Voltaire, is quite different to this, and is more an apostasy than an appeal to first principles like Locke
        
        Voltaire was a Deist, so I’m not so sure about that…although he certainly undermined what is now categorised as “organised religion”. And in many cases with good reason, as had Erasmus and Luther before him, although not to the same extent, or with an anti-Christian intent.
        
        Descartes’ cogito ergo sum kicks off the Enlightenment, IMHO. Until then, external supernatural revelation and/or “the world out there” (even when philosophy was employed to understand it, as with the Greeks, which was revived in the Renaissance), were the standards by which reality is discerned. But once Cartesian skepticism and the human mind are enshrined as the “starting point”, a sea change occurred the Enlightenment was off and running…and Descrates continues to “rule from beyond the grave”.
        
        Once you dare to question and critique an authority, then there is no stopping the process.
        
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        January 14, 2017 2:07pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Phil.
        John Locke was born after the Reformation – mid 17th century I think.
        Edit: Uh -oh. Stephie beat me to it – well done for once. 😉
        
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        January 14, 2017 2:35pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Look at their idiot pope. He welcomes muslims to the Vatican and turns his back on Christians being slaughtered in the middle east. Christianity can’t even protect members of its faith.
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:29am
  - mikenmild
    
    What should the Pope do in the Middle East – parachute in the Swiss Guards?
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:38am
    - BananaLlama
      
      Why are you such an idiot? read the post again and tell me where i said he should “go to the middle east” Honestly go drown yourself in a bath tub.
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:52am
    - PhilBest
      
      The Pen is mightier than the sword. Stop the pandering and start pronouncing, with some integrity and belief in core principles.
      
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      January 14, 2017 10:07am
Chuck Bird

This sort of one sided version of NZ history is going to do a lot for race relations – not.

Lizzie Marvelly: Now tell me why we are cringing

Let me tell you a story of broken promises, generations of injustice, second-class treatment and now, of political expediency …
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January 14, 2017 8:07am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  You have probably damaged your retinas by reading anything that idiot wrote.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:14am
- PhilBest
  
  What is missing from that story, is “before the agreement” there was no such b—-y thing as “property” at all let alone property RIGHTS enforced by some higher authority!
  
  The little morality tale is all about a bunch of peaceful farmers! As if farming on that scale of normality was possible in a state of incessant tribal warfare, with pretty much everything needing to be done behind stockades to preserve it from marauders.
  
  Some wrongs were done with The Crown participating, and many of them have already been put right (if anything there is erring on the side of allowing double-dipping and triple-dipping for the descendants). But without the Crown, were you free from “injustice”? Were Te Rauparaha’s descendants going to get a conscience one day and “restore” their wrongs? Not that they bothered to leave any descendants to press for restoration, in those days!
  
  The “…story of broken promises, generations of injustice, second-class treatment and now, of political expediency…” sounds a bit like the way National is setting up most Kiwis forever now, including to a significant extent, ordinary Maori who are not part of “Te Industry”. It is lunacy, suicide even, to create a class with powers of veto and extortion over the entire real economy; settlements should have been in cash, to “all Maori”, and pretty much pro rata. That way, ordinary Maori would see some benefit.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:29am
  - itstricky
    
    What is missing from that story, is “before the agreement” there was no such b—-y thing as “property” at all let alone property RIGHTS enforced by some higher authority!
    
    Ahhh, and that makes it alright to just take candy from the baby, then. I get your logic. Not.
    
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    January 14, 2017 10:25am
    - PhilBest
      
      “Taking” was a norm in human history. If not by one tribe from another tribe, then by the ruler / ruling class, from whoever they chose. Even when Te Tiriti was signed, that would have been the condition of 80%+ of humanity. Maori negotiating their way into one of the world’s earliest systems of property rights, title, justice and compensation, was a stroke of genius on their part and should be recognised as such.
      
      I even doubt the rate of injustices over land takings in the 1800’s would have been anything worse than what was being done to some of the British in Britain itself at that time. In fact Britain was made up of a landed gentry versus the rest. The idea that land “belonged to grassroots inhabitants” and they could sell it to the rich and powerful, would have been laughable. If anything, Maori were among the luckiest people on earth.
      
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      January 14, 2017 1:34pm
      - PhilBest
        
        Even today, in China, what happens if you live in a village where the gummint decides it wants to build a dam? Lotsa other countries too.
        
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        January 14, 2017 2:15pm
      - itstricky
        
        Muddled morals.
        
        They were lucky therefore they deserved to be stiffed?
        
        Barbarians stole from Barbarians therefore they deserved to be stiffed?
        
        Still can’t get away from this feeling you think they deserved to get stiffed.
        
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        January 14, 2017 7:23pm
- dime
  
  Is this the chick who sings before all blacks games?
  
  Maybe we should do what lefties do – throw an epic public tanty til the nzru give her the boot
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:52am
  - mikenmild
    
    Does her singing displease you?
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:00am
    - dime
      
      milky – whats her singing got to do with anything?
      
      i dont agree with her views – she should be fired.
      
      thats what we call – thinking like a social justice warrior!
      
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      January 14, 2017 11:15am
  - holysheet
    
    does she actually sing?
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:16am
  - itstricky
    
    throw an epic public tanty
    
    You’ve got 16 up votes. Clearly the elders of KB are behind you and think that’s a great idea. Give it a go.
    
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    January 14, 2017 10:27am
Reid

Is this comment nesting an improvement or a degradation?

I’m finding it bloody annoying having to scroll halfway up the bloody page just to keep up to date with a thread I’m interested in, I much prefer the old way where you just quoted the bit of the post you were responding to.

What do others think? Maybe we can ask DPF to change it back.

Please go to the original post and vote if you haven’t already. Don’t vote on this one, do it on the other, just so we don’t get double counts:

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/01/general_debate_12_january_2017.html#comment-1853149
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January 14, 2017 8:09am
- Kiwiladdy
  
  The threading is great, but needs a bit of a UI addition in order to follow comments and know how “deep” you are in a thread.
  
  Also being able to minimise threads would be excellent.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:48am
- PhilBest
  
  Comments nesting is the industry norm, and if you came to Kiwiblog pre-nesting, from being used to nesting everywhere else, the lack of it drives you nuts. How do you get a “followable” argument going otherwise?
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:49am
- Dave Mann
  
  When it was first introduced I didn’t like the new look either – particularly the comments nesting – but now I rather prefer it. Nesting nicely preserves the train of thought about a subject without having to quote pieces all the time and aim them at the original commenter. It also means one can skip through the subjects one is not so interested in (and those where Stephieboy has ruined the thread).
  
  EDIT: OK I was rude about Stephie… he’s not the only one… but you get the drift I’m sure 😀
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:52am
  - holysheet
    
    You cannot be rude to stupidboy if you tried. All that headbanging has dulled any sense he was born with.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is bloody annoying if you are actively trying to follow a discussion.
  
  Most people haven’t got the time to be searching back through a screen of comments to locate the site where a new gem of information may have been placed.
  
  The nesting works fine if you want to read over comments a day or so later…
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:55am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I find it pretty easy to just search for either my own name (if I have commented), a keyword or the name of the original commenter. Works quickly for me… but it might depend on which browser you are using. Surely this is easier than reading through everything just to pick out individual comments?
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:09am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Nesting is more of a problem with tablets than machines with mice. Numbering the threads makes it much easier to return to a particular discussion.
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:13am
EAD

Interesting reflections on Australia and New Zealand from the English blogger I introduced on yesterdays General Debate. He speaks about what he sees as a somewhat deluded and romantic view many Englishmen have about “escaping to the Antipodes” to escape the growing 3rd world nightmare of the UK and how their vision of the South Seas doesn’t match reality.

Here is his 3rd post:

https://alterorbisworld.wordpress.com/2017/01/13/the-fantasy-of-emigration/

Excerpt on Australia:

Australia is particularly ludicrous in this sense. Australia enjoys a reputation as an anti-immigration country, turning back boats full of indigent Vietnamese orphans and brown-skinned people. My grandmother, who visits the nicer parts of Australia to see her friends, enthuses about the place. This is encouraged by watching Border Patrol programmes in which whingeing Indians are deported, Chinese scams are found out, and brown-skinned drug dealers are captured by hard-nosed customs officers. This is despite the fact that net immigration is higher in Australia than Britain! Australia has a much higher rate of foreign born people than Britain (discounting that some of these are British). To some extent, the anti-immigration reputation functions as a potemkin village, whilst the population replacement agenda grinds exceeding small.

& an excerpt on New Zealand:

When I returned back from New Zealand, people thought that I was insane. `What the hell are you doing here?` was the cry. The rejoinder, that living abroad becomes boring, wasn’t understood. 2000 years ago, Horace in an epistle, asks his friend Bullatius how he he found Chios, Lesbos, Samos and the Aegean. They change their skies, but not their souls who flee across the sea. Emigration as a form of escape never works and once the novelty wore off, I realised how vulnerable New Zealand was. New Zealand is not likely to end up as a Chinese colony, as some people think. The experience of Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong shows that ethnically Chinese people are quite capable of defining themselves as being separate from China proper. My own experience of young people in the Chinese diaspora in New Zealand is that most of them are utterly deracinated, living in a miasma of American pop-culture and having very little contact with actual New Zealanders. Many of them don’t sound Kiwi, but talk with horrible faux-affected American accents. The danger is that New Zealand becomes a multi-racial, multi-ethnic melting pot of rootless consumers rather than the new Britannia in another world that it was meant to be.
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January 14, 2017 8:22am
- mikenmild
  
  New Zealand becomes a multi-racial, multi-ethnic melting pot
  
  Already happened. Even white supremacists like EAD are welcome.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:31am
  - BananaLlama
    
    Already happened.
    
    Maori and Europeans are the overwhelming majority of this country i think it is 89% despite the best efforts of the internationalist left to drown us in “diversity”
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:38am
- PhilBest
  
  “…To some extent, the anti-immigration reputation functions as a potemkin village, whilst the population replacement agenda grinds exceeding small…”
  
  Interesting. According to an article in the November Quadrant magazine, there is even cultural cringe in Australia to the extent that the authorities won’t intervene on behalf of Muslim girls wanting to escape from oppressive family situations, including the knowledge that they will be forcibly married in their teens, usually to an older relative, and usually on a trip outside Australia.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:34am
  - stephieboy
    
    PhilBest, genuine research or purely anecdotal ?
    
    Link please ?
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:43am
    - PhilBest
      
      You have to buy the Quadrant Magazine or take out an online subscription.
      
      The prolific, high-public-profile novelist Gabrielle Lord is taking up this cause publicly. She is no fool.
      
      I see the issue has made “The Australian”:
      
      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/my-friend-was-wed-at-13-a-mum-at-14-how-authorities-failed-child-brides/news-story/5e38e8a54842ee0d956a887adc525980
      
      Of course it is typical of the way the Quisling multi-culti establishment works, to deny there is a problem, refuse to investigate, and not even collect statistics (because you can’t collect statistics on non-opened cases); then attack political opponents as “relying on anecdote”!!!
      
      3 words: Rotherham rape gangs.
      
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      January 14, 2017 8:56am
      - stephieboy
        
        From this link I don’t see that the practice os chld marraige is widespread and Gabrielle Lord again seems to rely on purely ancecdotal investigastions among the local Iraqi Community ,
        
        http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/my-friend-was-wed-at-13-a-mum-at-14-how-authorities-failed-child-brides/news-story/5e38e8a54842ee0d956a887adc525980
        
        If there is actual evidence of mass child sex / rape Rotherham style then that will be a cause for concern.
        
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        January 14, 2017 9:22am
      - PhilBest
        
        So it needs to be “widespread” before the authorities will act to rescue any particular person?
        
        Does our policing and welfare system work this way in other areas? Hey, most men aren’t rapists, therefore the odd victim here and there isn’t worth noticing…?
        
        EDIT: my point was the policy of pandering, not the scale of the problem.
        
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        January 14, 2017 10:11am
- PhilBest
  
  I don’t mind the multi-racial, multi-ethnic melting pot as long as there is no cultural relativism and immigrants have come to participate in the universal western culture. It is the cultural relativism and multi-culti pandering that makes all this so toxic.
  
  Letting in Ayaan Hirsi Ali types is fine, letting in Anjem Choudary types is lunacy.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:38am
  - stephieboy
    
    Phil Best , yes Andy Choudary is a lunatic but there is no law being born a lunatic in the UK.
    
    He was born there in 1967.
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:47am
    - PhilBest
      
      You knew what I meant. I used him as a “type”. Plenty of his type being let in when they shouldn’t be.
      
      If his parents were OK people, he is also an example of multi-culti pandering acquiescing in setting up children of immigrants to be radicalised and turned into WMD’s against western civilisation.
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:01am
      - stephieboy
        
        Phil Best, fortunately there a only a timy number of Andy Choudary type ” clones ” or WMD been raised in the UK .
        
        He is lunatic fringe much like Neo Nazi stuff in the UK . He attracts very few followers
        
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        January 14, 2017 9:16am
      - Disaster Area
        
        The problem is that statements like this are getting dangerously close to ‘only letting in people who look and think like us’.
        
        If you are prepared to accept a ‘multi racial, multi ethnic melting pot’ you are going to have to accept that by definition not everyone will have a western, judeo-christian background and beliefs. This means, at times, there will be tensions between cultures. I think that it is a measure of civilised societies how they deal with those tensions.
        
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        January 14, 2017 9:30am
- mandk
  
  Did the person who wrote about NZ ever get further than Queen Street in Auckland?
  
  And did they actually meet any 2nd or subsequent generation Chinese NZers?
  
  They’re kiwi as.
  
  Sounds to me like the author is someone who can’t forgive the rest of the world for not being like Surrey.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:46am
  - PhilBest
    
    I absolutely agree, there are some excellent 2nd and 3rd generation Kiwi Asians. But the local cultural / political conditions are different now, and this will have consequences for the outcomes among new immigrant generations, relative to the success of past generations.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:03am
    - Kimbo
      
      …the problem with that analysis is that, irrespective of location and time, it has been directed against every new and/or prospective immigrant group. Including New Zealand:
      
      Irish Catholics
      Croatians
      Chinese
      Dutch
      Pacific Islanders
      Chinese (again!)
      Indians
      Muslims
      
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      January 14, 2017 11:20am
      - PhilBest
        
        “Muslims” are not a race.
        
        “Catholics” are not a race either, and Protestant-majority nations did inherently mistrust them back in the day regardless of whether they came from Ireland or Italy or France or Eastern Europe. However, they largely integrated. There are no Jesuit boot camps to radicalise young people into the teachings of Thomas Torquemada, are there?
        
        If Irish Protestants and Sudanese Christians are being welcomed, treating Irish Catholics or Sudanese Muslims with suspicion, is not “racism”. It is religious prejudice, but that is not equivalent to racial prejudice. No-one do anything about the race they were born into, but they are responsible for what values they choose to subscribe to. That is why racism is evil, period, but cultural prejudices can be well-founded and even sensible.
        
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        January 14, 2017 1:42pm
      - stephieboy
        
        PhilBest ,
        “That is why racism is evil, period, but cultural prejudices can be well-founded and even sensible”
        Like demonising Muslims as “other” of whom have largely have darker skins ?
        
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        January 14, 2017 1:51pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Who said I was talking exclusively about race? I said, “every new and/or prospective immigrant group”. That includes religion.
        
        But then if you think “Muslims are not a race” is is some way significant, like say, others say “there have never been ‘Palestinians'”, far be it from me to stop you dancing on a pin head.
        
        “Catholics” are not a race either, and Protestant-majority nations did inherently mistrust them back in the day regardless of whether they came from Ireland or Italy or France or Eastern Europe. However, they largely integrated. There are no Jesuit boot camps to radicalise young people into the teachings of Thomas Torquemada, are there?
        
        No, true – although you maybe overlook how relatively recently it has been since Catholics ceased to be seen as a threat, and the primary reason why: Vatican II.
        
        That is why racism is evil, period, but cultural prejudices can be well-founded and even sensible.
        
        No, prejudice “Pre-judging” is, of its very nature, evil. I think “cultural discernment” is better, and closer to what you mean. But only as long as it is clear
        
        1. There is never a perfect match betweenany person and their supposed culture
        
        2. People can and in fact do live in ways that are contradictory to their supposed culture
        
        3. No culture is fixed (e.g. Vatican II)
        
        4. And the law is best to regard culture, like race and religion, as something that should not neither privileged nor punished.
        
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        January 14, 2017 1:52pm
  - EAD
    
    Did the person who wrote about NZ ever get further than Queen Street in Auckland?
    
    And did they actually meet any 2nd or subsequent generation Chinese NZers?
    
    They’re kiwi as.
    
    Ahhhhh – so 2nd generation Chinese are as “kiwi as” the people who navigated across 7 seas and built one of the most well regarded (by those racist “quality of life” surveys that all somehow rank only countries with European populations as the best to live in) countries in the world?
    
    They might be nice people and very smart but they’re not from the same stock who subdued the Maori Savages, and settled a hostile land miles from anywhere with their own hands. No amount of cucked verbal linguistics will change that. If they really were Kiwi, why do they still have their own “Chinese societies” and there is always talk of starting an “Asia political party” to represent their interests while whites are expected to keep voting with a “left vs. right” mindset for one of the illusion of choice parties on offer?
    
    Or by “Kiwi”, do you mean a mindless consumer drone who talks with an endless drool and thinks “ayyyye”, “chur” etc. are real words?
    
    Kiwis like these who participate in the great “Kiwi tradition” of Boxing day shopping:
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/87955762/thousands-fill-mall-for-hectic-boxing-day-sales
    
    Farial Savul had never experienced Boxing Day sales and wanted to see what all the fuss was about.
    
    The Christchurch resident of about 10 months hit the shops at Westfield Riccarton on Monday with daughter Farwa, 2, and friend Nisa Iqbal with Bushra, 21 months.
    
    “It was hectic, but it was fine. Everybody was really happy, playing and going on shopping sprees,” Savul said.
    
    “I’m from Pakistan and over there before the event, the holiday, we have sales – not after. This is a bit different . . . We’d heard so much about it, so much hype, and, like, it’s the first time we’ve seen a Boxing Day sale.
    
    “We’re not disappointed.”
    
    Neither Savul nor Iqbal celebrated Christmas but – aside from the half-hour wait for a car park – both enjoyed seeing so many people come together. Iqbal, soon moving into a new home, took the opportunity to pick up a few bargains.
    
    “It was amazing to see so many people in Christchurch,” she said.
    
    “We just wanted to see what was going on, what the deals are, and we had a list in mind of things that we really wanted if they were on good prices.”
    
    Savul said staff at the stores they visited were kept busy but had managed to keep their sanity while she and Iqbal shopped.
    
    “They haven’t lost their minds yet, they’ll probably lose them by the end of the day
    
    These Pakistanis are wrong – the mindless debt addled Kiwi consumer drone lost their mind decades ago…..
    
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    January 14, 2017 6:29pm
    - mikenmild
      
      the people who navigated across 7 seas
      
      Sorry? The only proper Kiwis are those who came by ship from Europe? Like Julius Vogel, for example?
      
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      January 14, 2017 6:33pm
    - EAD
      
      You mean Julius Vogel, New Zealand’s first Jewish Prime minister?
      
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Vogel
      
      A quick perusal of his Wikipedia page reveals (unsurprisingly) that he really got usury going in the newly settled land. Instead of issuing his sovereign debt free money, he got our young nation in hock to the money changers:
      
      Vogel is best remembered for his “Great Public Works” scheme of the 1870s. Before 1870, New Zealand was a country largely dominated by provincial interests and pork-barrel politics. After Vogel, as colonial treasurer, proposed borrowing the massive sum of 10 million pounds, New Zealand developed significant infrastructure of roads, railways and communication, all administered by central government.
      
      Then there is his post political career work spent trying to dismantle the existing social order.
      
      Every. Damn. Time
      
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      January 14, 2017 6:42pm
      - mikenmild
        
        But he meets your criteria for being a real Kiwi by voyaging here across the seven seas.
        I wonder, by the way, how many generations back
        Julius Vogel and EAD share a common ancestor. I’d say six or seven.
        
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        January 14, 2017 6:54pm
- Reid
  
  EAD it’s interesting to note isn’t it that Key was far more effective in his social engineering than Hulun was. With this massive influx of decidedly moderate Asian talent (as opposed to what we could have had, talent-wise, with a flick of Key’s pen since we had so many to chose from), Key has forever radically changed the face of our largest city.
  
  From now on, Auckland won’t belong to NZ it will belong to global interests and will respond accordingly to all the wickedness imparted therefrom.
  
  And the progressives are so profoundly lost they think this will be a good thing.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:48am
- calendar girl
  
  “The danger is that New Zealand becomes a multi-racial, multi-ethnic melting pot of rootless consumers rather than the new Britannia in another world that it was meant to be.”
  
  EAD, despite your blogger’s perception of what NZ “was meant to be”, I for one would be horrified if it became “the new Britannia”.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:55am
  - PhilBest
    
    Yeah, but it would be nice to keep it as the original “Godzone” that it once was.
    
    Part of Key’s betrayal, is turning NZ into a version of “Britannia’s” housing market. Both with the immigration, the change of laws surrounding “immigrant investors” and property, and with the post-Helen Town Planning system (defaulting on reform of).
    
    EDIT: Shamubeel Eaqub’s general thesis entitled “Generation Rent” is a fair and accurate way to describe it.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:07am
    - stephieboy
      
      PhilBest , not possible to jump into a Time machine and turn the clock back to the 1950s or previous .
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:24am
    - Reid
      
      It’s not just the housing Phil that’s just the first initial effect, over the years with the births it changes education and everything else too. But not in the Kiwi way in other ways. The Kiwi way is diluted more and more, bit by bit. Always positively spun: “look how much better it is now..” never exposing or elucidating on what has been replaced…
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:38am
  - PhilBest
    
    Really NZ offered the original immigrants from Britannia, something better than Britannia. For example, the opportunity of owning your own horse was a massive drawcard for many. Don’t belittle this, put yourself back in the shoes of people in those days, where you could see a small minority of well-off enjoying the mobility that horses provided.
    
    Of course part of “owning your own horse” included owning a residential property large enough to graze it and stable it. Just like the “landed gentry” in Britannia. Jack finally as good as his master. The democratization of home ownership and the improvement of housing, and the democratization of mobility, should be an important part of “what we are”.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:12am
    - calendar girl
      
      Agreed, Phil, NZ the unique way it was fashioned by its settlers from Britannia and other countries, not forgetting the Maori influence.
      
      The last 17 years have not been great for preserving that successful template. Indiscriminate immigration policies, and the inexorable growth of the public-sector’s “management culture” (in practice, tax and control everything in sight), have – overall – been negative and divisive influences.
      
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      January 14, 2017 10:19am
      - stephieboy
        
        calender girl , poor wee mite . You seemed very down trodden under this present yoke of ” divisive influences”
        
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        January 14, 2017 1:54pm
- Disaster Area
  
  ‘My own experience of young people in the Chinese diaspora in New Zealand is that most of them are utterly deracinated, living in a miasma of American pop-culture and having very little contact with actual New Zealanders.’
  
  I think the interesting part is the last three words.
  Can you explain what the author meant by ‘actual New Zealanders’? Does he mean people born in NZ or the stereotypical image of a stubbies and gumboots, can make anything in his shed Fred Dagg clone?
  
  The author then goes on to say:
  ‘The danger is that New Zealand becomes a multi-racial, multi-ethnic melting pot of rootless consumers rather than the new Britannia in another world that it was meant to be.’
  
  Perhaps with attitudes like this, it is best that the author did go back to Little England.
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:05am
- Dave Mann
  
  I think I can see the reason for his problem: he has lost his own country and culture and is frantically searching for a substitute somewhere else. Poor little lamb. However, he just comes across as a puffed up pommie git…. pathetic.
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:25am
- Huevon
  
  If you replace New Zealand with Auckland, those comments are certainly true.
  
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  January 14, 2017 10:00am
- Flash
  
  New Britannia? Rubbish. We’re New Zealanders, out and proud (most of us) and treading our own path in the world.
  Although some may say misguidedly.
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:15am
JIV

Is BJ Wattling the new Greg Dyer??
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January 14, 2017 8:27am
- mikenmild
  
  I doubt these days a player would claim a catch knowing he had dropped it – the TV reviews are hard to beat. In any case, he’s still entitled to claim a catch and have the umpires decide.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:32am
  - Longknives
    
    Imagine the howls of outrage if that had happened to a New Zealand Batsman? People would be calling for blood..
    New Zealand Sports fans are more one-eyed than the Aussies!
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:57am
    - mikenmild
      
      What bad thing happened to the batsman? He was given not out.
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:01am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Longknives is outraged at not having anything to be outraged about.
        
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        January 14, 2017 2:54pm
Paulus

I heard from a friend at the Auckland Tennis competition that they were all subject to a native haka before the ladies final.
She and a number of people around her were saddened by this rather primitive painted half naked over weight fat men shouting and screeching at them.
She called it cringeworthy to the highest degree.
When will this highly embarrasing spectacle at every opportunity stop ?
Somebody asked, did the Maori bring their tennis rackets with them from wherever they came ?
I will allow the All Blacks to perform but not every Tom, Dick and Harry event.
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January 14, 2017 8:28am
- mikenmild
  
  The All Black will be relieved that you will ‘allow’ them to do the haka.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:34am
  - PhilBest
    
    Rugby and The Haka were made for each other. That’s an example of happy and mutual cross-cultural sharing.
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:40am
- Disaster Area
  
  ‘Somebody asked, did the Maori bring their tennis rackets with them from wherever they came ?
  I will allow the All Blacks to perform but not every Tom, Dick and Harry event’
  
  So did the Maori bring rugby balls?
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:55am
- Longknives
  
  I used to enjoy watching the All Black Haka (Back in the Shelford Days)..
  But God this new version that goes for about ten minutes, with theatrics,throat slitting, hissing and spitting, is bloody cringeworthy.
  Especially classless when they did it to deliberately insult the Irish (who were paying respects to a fallen comrade)..
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3918810/New-Zealand-rugby-great-Craig-Dowd-says-Blacks-haka-loss-Ireland-disrespectful.html
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:01am
  - RF
    
    A pathetic war dance and we still do not link this with family violence. Wake up NZ.
    
    Once were Warriors is the classic… This is your life
    
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    January 14, 2017 11:24am
- Fletch
  
  I agree. The Haka seems to be performed at the drop of a hat these days. You don’t seem to need much of an excuse. It would mean more if the words actually made any sense, but they don’t mean much to me.
  
  I die! I die! I live! I live!
  I die! I die! I live! I live!
  This is the hairy man
  Who fetched the sun
  And caused it to shine again
  One upward step! Another upward step!
  An upward step, another… the sun shines!
  
  Not that most All Blacks aren’t hairy, but still…
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:25am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Relate the words to Te Rauparaha, and the circumstances under which he made up the haka – he was hiding in a kumara pit for a couple of days because his enemies were hunting for him and were to kill him – but they didn’t find him.
    I think spending a few days in a kumara pit would make you feel like death – but when he emerged, it was like new life.
    And apparently, he was very hairy – especially in that special region 🙂
    
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    January 14, 2017 12:23pm
    - RF
      
      A murdering thug….nothing has changed over the years except our current lot has less hair.
      
      My 6 year old grandson who is overseas likes the ABs because of the haka. Mainly because it’s about killing people…… go figure…
      
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      January 14, 2017 12:26pm
flipper

The electronic media in NZ has been shut down for more than three (3) weeks. This contrasts sharply with other nations, Australia in particular. The bullshit about pollies going on holiday ‘with their young families” is just that. They get weeks and weeks of holidays during the yerar but give themselves a further 4-5 weeks at our expense. And the accdredited media pack is part of the scam.
The “duty” Minister is almost always the lowest ranked. But their unforgiveable absence notwithstanding, I for one do not miss their pack-like babbling, Monday to Friday. This has provided time to consider and reject the even more mindless garbage now presented. ….. Oh well, only in NZ… 🙂
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January 14, 2017 8:35am
flipper

Reid
Is this comment nesting an …………….

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A backward move. Some smart alec ‘s big fail. Back for the future 🙂
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January 14, 2017 8:40am
Simon

Lockheed Martin CEO meets Trump, says deal to lower F-35 costs is close

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-lockheed-ceo-idUSKBN14X25E

Another Trump win.

Clinton would have accepted a “donation” instead of trying to control costs.

Trump will keep winning more than he loses that is why the Dems and Left are cracking open.

Net rolling back the state in the US got to effect bloated statist countries like NZ at some point.
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January 14, 2017 8:47am
- stephieboy
  
  Simon , I’m not sure what the point your trying to make . Will Trump wave a magic wand to make cost over runs go down ?
  
  BTW it hasn’t stopped Israel receiving 35 of them under a Obama admistation multi billion dollar military aid pacckge to same ,
  
  http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-readies-for-super-tech-stealth-fighters/
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:54am
  - holysheet
    
    Israel is getting ready for the word from Trump to make the sand glow.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:25am
    - Disaster Area
      
      It wouldn’t be the diplomatic fall out they’d have to worry about.
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:57am
- cmm
  
  F35 is just a huge gravy train for the military industrial complex.
  
  About 47 states are involved in the F35 – every state wanted a snout in the trough. That pshes up project costs.
  
  It is a piece of shit as far as actually doing the work goes. It cannot do the jobs that current aircraft do (A10, F16 and Harrier).
  
  USA has not put together a decent well designed plane that meets operational objectives since the F18 in 1978. That’s back when engineers used slide rules. Other useful planes of note: Harrier (1966), C130 (1950s), F16 (1974) and A10(1977).
  
  The F35 is a disaster and might as well be scrapped right now.
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm , I’m sure the Isreali aviation and airforce authorities have a better understanding of the stakes than either you or me !
    
    Sure they would not want to buy a lemon give their security risks at hand in the Middle East .
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:28am
    - cmm
      
      Of course the Israelis are happy with the F35 program. They are getting paid vast amounts by the USA to help develop it.
      
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      January 14, 2017 11:17am
      - stephieboy
        
        cmm, but I’m confident they would not want to buy a proven ” lemon” !
        
        A bit like Air NZ committing itself to the Boeing Dreamliner 787 with its development and production set backs and problems .
        
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        January 14, 2017 12:14pm
  - Reid
    
    Their whole procurement program is infested with revolving door vested interest players and you see this in the Navy too with their Literrol combat ships in the same white elephant state.
    
    The F-35 is also outclassed by the SU-35 in every way so its doomed from the get-go.
    
    I just read earlier one possible reason for all the US carriers being in port is they are replacing all the copper wiring with fibre. They are doing because of the Russian’s ability to electronically shut down copper-wired combat systems and no doubt you’ve read about the various incidents of them doing this to US ships.
    
    So don’t under-estimate the Russians.
    
    Plowing all these resources into a Frankenstein monster that tries to be all things and succeeds at none, was and is complete insanity. It’s actually treason because think what else they could have done with those resources.
    
    But that’s the politics of vested interests coming through. Massive money at stake, equally massive donations through lobbyists to all important players, the only one who suffers is Uncle Sam and the American people, and the players clearly care nothing about either of them.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:50am
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid,
      
      “The F-35 is also outclassed by the SU-35 in every way so its doomed from the get-go.’
      
      Based on what actual combat evaluations ?
      
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      January 14, 2017 12:34pm
  - dime
    
    It’s a bit of a pig. The f16 cleans it up in a dog fight.
    
    The beauty of the f35 is the f16 would be dead before it knew the 35 was in the area.
    
    It’s a dam shame they are retiring the warthog though.
    
    Also, the f22 is amazing. I hope they can reactivate the production line..
    
    Also, check out the creepy micro drone f18 video. Yikes.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:58am
    - cha
      
      It’s a dam shame they are retiring the warthog though.
      
      Delayed.
      
      As predicted by Air Combat Command commander Gen. Hawk Carlisle in November, the Air Force is indefinitely freezing all plans to retire the A-10 Warthog, a warplane many officials, airmen and congressional members have rallied behind since the announcement of its withdrawal from the battlefield.
      
      https://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2016/01/13/report–10-retirement-indefinitely-delayed/78747114/
      
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      January 14, 2017 10:39am
      - dime
        
        nice!
        
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        January 14, 2017 11:15am
  - Southern Raider
    
    The Israelis will re do all the electronics and weapon systems as soon as they get it
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:41pm
Happychappy

The Hub had a story last night on the news say that story’s put out by fake news over the USA Presidential Elections will be seen in NZ leading up to our Elections in 2017. My wife then turned to me and remarked what is the difference when NZ Media print false story’s every day. You have to wonder how far out of touch is the people that hold the top jobs in MSM are.
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January 14, 2017 8:49am
- Reid
  
  You have to wonder how far out of touch is the people that hold the top jobs in MSM are.
  
  So here’s the thing. How could any senior exec in any of the major media companies be so profoundly oblivious to reality that they don’t know what all of us here knew years ago: all they have to do is use their existing resources to give us objective serious penetrating intelligent insightful material and we’ll start reading/watching them again. How can anyone in those positions not be aware of that?
  
  Of course they are.
  
  So why are they doing this to themselves?
  
  Noticed that its the older generation who is turned off by it? The milllenials still watch it because they’ve been trained into it. That’s the plan. And those of us with history have a comparison standard which they don’t. So they don’t know any better. In other words, during the 80’s and since, it all changed. Why did it change, is the next question. What are they hoping to achieve? Dumbing it all down? What does that do to a population? Makes it easier to control, and fool.
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That’s not my experience of the millenials.
    
    They’re not obsessed with the MSM and when they do tune in, they can separate the chaff from the wheat.
    
    My kids, nieces and their friends, spouses etc, have grown up with their little digital gadgets and have been emailing/texting/tweeting/ downloading/ for yonks.
    
    They are accomplished in recognising misinformation put out by sploggers, trolls, and astroturfers. In fact, they expect that junk news is being shoved towards them… they’re not gullible.
    That’s why the MSM are getting desperate…. they’ve lost their audience, young & old.
    
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    January 14, 2017 11:07am
    - Reid
      
      No they’re not obsessed with news as most young people aren’t, but they’ve been conditioned into the whole social program and part of that is celeb pap and anything serious is treated cartoonishly. When they reach the age where they start to expect something else, as we did in our thirties and forties, they won’t have any reference point of what to expect, as we did at that age.
      
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      January 14, 2017 12:01pm
- Fletch
  
  Wow. I’m not looking forward to another election season. The media seem to relish stuff like the so-called ‘tea-cup tapes’ and Kim Dot Com’s ‘big reveal’ that turned out to be a fizzer. They get themselves worked up into a lather at the slightest thing.
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:30am
  - Reid
    
    I think Fletch the journalism schools are evidently focused on turning out vapid morons with good grooming skills.
    
    I think that’s a big part of it.
    
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    January 14, 2017 12:02pm
- Flash
  
  I think that one of the problems is the definition of ‘news’.
  If it’s the latest activity of whomsoever one is interested in, that’s fine.
  If it’s the who/what/how/when/why of the activity and the subject is an individual/occasion of passing importance, that’s passing news. Something that dominated the news because of it’s sensational value was often called gossip, or a ‘7-day wonder’.
  But if it’s the activity of say, a publicly elected MP, or a major building company who somehow makes a mess of a job, then traditionally the newspapers had experienced journalists who would investigate and come to a conclusion as to the how and why of the situation, and THAT was the news.
  And that’s what we’re missing now. We have a surfeit of passing news, which is like a diet of lettuce leaves –
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:46am
Longknives

When is someone from the Chiefs actually going to admit they have a problem with the ‘culture’??

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11781333

Yelling “F%%%ing C##ts” at Parking Wardens.
Stay Classy New Zealand Rugby…
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January 14, 2017 9:04am
- cmm
  
  I note that the MSM seemed to be most upset because they abused female parking wardens.
  
  It would seem it would have been Ok to abuse male parking wardens.
  
  By the way, Does anyone know why the Chiefs logo look like a bloke chomping into a leg of KFC?
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:11am
- holysheet
  
  The problem with the chief is there are to many darkies in the team. Tribalism is a problem for many. In their upbringing there was a hierarchy of knowing your status in life. Once they get outside this hierarchy, they cannot cope. They are overpaid for the job they do. They are not used to the fame attached to being a rugby player of the chiefs status. Maybe a change of name from “Chiefs” might help.
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:34am
  - sooty
    
    Chiefs to dickheads!
    
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    January 14, 2017 10:46am
  - Gabby
    
    The Holy Shits.
    
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    January 14, 2017 7:44pm
Happychappy

I see that Winston has a meeting with the Pike River Family’s on Sunday. I wonder whether they are going to set up plan for Winston and Chuck to enter the mine.
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January 14, 2017 9:07am
Pateke

I simply cannot believe those nice young men doing so well at the Basin are those bad Muslims we hear about. What happened to their image? They played delightfully graceful strokes with over 80 boundaries and damn near 400 runs in a day. Not once did I hear allah referred to let alone his mate U Akhbar, who I think is batting at ten, And the crowd full of happy peaceful Muslims as well! What is Wellington coming to?
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January 14, 2017 9:27am
- stephieboy
  
  Pateke, yes it has been a nice surpise that our resident Islamaphobes are quiet about the presence of Bangladeshi cricketers .
  
  Sport can be a great way of breaking down bigotry !
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:31am
  - Reid
    
    But we don’t want that stephie. The more bigotry you have the better off everyone is. Except for the targets of course but who cares about them?
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:34am
  - Happychappy
    
    Yes just like lies can create hate, think of that when you post.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:46am
    - Reid
      
      Only in people who already hate HC. That’s what idiot lefties don’t get.
      
      Discussions and speeches and videos full of any rhetoric you like be it racist, bigotry or anything else vicious and nasty only affects those predisposed to be affected. And no-one else. It doesn’t sway one’s inner moral compass in the least.
      
      Idiot lefties can’t get this simple fact through their thick skulls, is why they keep coming out and waving their hands whenever discussion leans that way.
      
      Aren’t lefties stooooooooooooooopid.
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:55am
  - PhilBest
    
    I bet there are no radicalised Muslims playing cricket or any other “Kuffir” sport.
    
    In fact as Andy Choudary says, “moderate” Muslims are about as Muslim as “moderate” vegetarians are vegetarians, anyway.
    
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    January 14, 2017 10:16am
    - mikenmild
      
      So the batsman who thanked Allah on Tv for his good fortune yesterday was not a proper Muslim in your eyes?
      
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      January 14, 2017 10:40am
      - itstricky
        
        I’m sick of their contradiction on this. Oh, there’s no such thing as a moderate Muslim but there are no radicalised Muslims in cricket.
        
        Which one is it? (A) or (B). Cmon now, make a decision.
        
        And then, answer MM’s question.
        
        Incidentally, there are moderate vegetarians. Lots of them. Happens all the time. Shit, if not, there’s no such thing as a moderate Christian. You can’t apply this to just some random religions or movements of your choice.
        
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        January 14, 2017 11:06am
      - Reid
        
        You can’t apply this to just some random religions or movements of your choice.
        
        Of course you can. I do it all the time. Hindu this, Muslim that. It’s easy, it doesn’t hurt at all.
        
        Crikey tricky, I thought you were brainy.
        
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        January 14, 2017 1:01pm
      - PhilBest
        
        Ask an expert like Anjam Choudhary! Playing a Kuffir sport? Pretty clear. Same with Kuffir music and Kuffir entertainment generally.
        
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        January 14, 2017 1:48pm
      - itstricky
        
        So. Didn’t answer MM, then. Or me
        
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        January 14, 2017 7:25pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Sounds like the “true Scotsman” fallacy. If he or she is “moderate” they aren’t a “real” Muslim.
      
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      January 14, 2017 11:39am
Reid

Finair flight 666 to Hel on Friday 13th…

https://www.rt.com/business/373568-finnair-ay666-hel-flight/
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January 14, 2017 9:33am
Reid

China responds to Tillerson’s comment at his confirmation hearing re: the US will need to restrict access to China’s new islands in the South China Sea: fuck off.

https://www.rt.com/news/373579-china-islands-tillerson-war/

The question of the US Sino strategy now Obongo’s ‘Pivot to Asia’ lies (like everything else he did) in wretched tatters, is a very critical part of Trump’s next 8 years. The current guess amongst the players I read on this is he’s buddying up to Russia hoping this will cause friction in the Sino-Russian alliance. Will it work? Here’s The Saker on that…

China is now locked into a strategic alliance with Russia which is something unique in world history. Unlike past alliances which could be broken or withdrawn from, what Putin and Xi did is to turn their countries into symbionts: Russia basically depends on China for many goods and services while China depends on Russia for energy, defense, aerospace and high-tech (for those interested in this topic I would recommend the excellent White Paper Larchmonter445 wrote for the Saker blog on this topic: The Russia-China Double Helix). As a result, Russia and China today are like a type of “Siamese twins” which have separate heads (political independence and their own governments) but which share a number of organs vital for both heads. This means that even if Russia/China wanted to “dump China/Russia” in exchange for a rapprochement with the USA she could not do that. To my knowledge nothing similar has ever happened before. Never have two (ex-) Empires decided to remain separate but fully integrated into each other. No grand charter, no big alliance, no solemn treaty was ever signed to make this happens, only huge number of (comparatively) small(er) contracts and agreements. And yet they have quietly achieved something absolutely unique in history. What this means for the USA is that they cannot count on their favorite divide et impera strategy to try to rule the planet because that strategy simply cannot work any longer: even if the Russian and Chinese leaders got themselves into a heated dispute they could not undo what has now been done. The integrationist momentum between China and Russia could probably only be stopped by a war, and that is simply not happening. Right now Trump is making a lot of provocative gestures towards China, possibly in the hope that if the USA normalizes relations with Russia China would find itself isolated. But isolating China is just as impossible as isolating Russia, and provoking China is simply a non-starter. For the first time since WWII the next American President will have to come to terms that in the Russia-China-USA triangle it is the USA which is the weakest and most vulnerable party.

http://thesaker.is/risks-and-opportunities-for-2017/
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January 14, 2017 10:03am
Lucia Maria

Bill English has gone to Brussels.

He’s met with Donald Tusk, and Jean-Claude Juncker to talk about a free trade agreement with the EU, which btw is our 3rd largest trading partner.

Bill English talks trade with EU leaders Donald Tusk and Jean-Claude Juncker

Juncker was optimistic a New Zealand-EU deal could be finalised in three years – half the time it usually took and less than a third of the 10 years it took for Canada. He said it usually took between 5-10 years.

However, the first I heard of English’s first overseas trip as PM of NZ, was a news item on my feed by Sputnik (one of Russia’s English language disinformation sites), implying that our PM’s trip to Brussels was specifically to visit NATO headquarters. It seems to Sputnik (and Russia) that Bill English going anywhere near NATO is a big deal.

Sure, the item itself is very low key, but looking at the Sputnik website, it’s easy to see that Bill English is only mentioned a few times since he became PM. Here are the other items in reverse date order:

UK, New Zealand Seek Post-Brexit Free Trade Agreement – Theresa May
NATO Begins In-Country Training of Iraqi Officers to Help Anti-Daesh Fight
Bill English Becomes New Zealand’s New Prime Minister

Interesting how the potential free trade agreement with the EU doesn’t make it as a story for them. I suppose they don’t want their readers to think that the EU has a future, so better to just push the Brexit angle and ignore anything that might show the EU is still alive and kicking.
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January 14, 2017 10:13am
- Reid
  
  It couldn’t possibly be because its audience is far more interested in understanding what’s important to Russia and an NZ-EU trade discussion is very far down that list whereas anything to do with NATO is of great current interest since NATO is now deploying hundreds of tanks and thousands of troops right up to Russia’s very borders, could it? You think that might be why they did it like that?
  
  And imagine if Russia put the equivalent numbers of tanks and troops on Canada’s and Mexico’s US borders? How would that be interpreted by the US, do you think?
  
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  January 14, 2017 10:23am
  - Andrei
    
    Lucia Maria dream is to have the Lands of Holy Rus submit to the Pope Reid
    
    The Poles tried to do that militarily way back in 1600 – the end result was the partition of Poland which the Poles have never got over
    
    The funny thing is after WW2 Stalin reconstructed Poland for the Poles making it bigger than it was before WW2
    
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    January 14, 2017 10:40am
    - Reid
      
      Yes it’s a shame she doesn’t live in reality like the rest of us do on this, isn’t it. Her analytical mind could have been quite useful.
      
      Ah well. Can’t win em all, all of the time.
      
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      January 14, 2017 10:52am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Reid,
        
        Her analytical mind could have been quite useful.
        
        Well, that’s the thing with analytical minds – they can’t be bullshitted.
        
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        January 14, 2017 5:33pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Andrei,
      
      Lucia Maria dream is to have the Lands of Holy Rus submit to the Pope Reid
      
      And when have I ever said anything to remotely indicate that I dream of that?
      
      The Poles tried to do that militarily way back in 1600 – the end result was the partition of Poland which the Poles have never got over
      
      Well, in terms of who never got over what, the Polish takeover of Russia only lasted a few years, yet, Unity Day, Day of Moscow’s Liberation from Polish Invaders, originally celebrated from 1613 to 1917 was recently reinstituted by Putin. While as the Partition of Poland lasted from 1772 to 1919, and was a direct response to increasing democracy in Poland which terrified imperial rulers such as the Empress of Russia at the time.
      
      The funny thing is after WW2 Stalin reconstructed Poland for the Poles making it bigger than it was before WW2
      
      And made it impossible for families such as my father’s to return, as they were considered traitors for fighting in the Polish Army aligned with the real Polish Government that moved to London during the war. Not to mention that their land had been confiscated as well. Anyone who held the wrong opinions in Poland who were deported or shot.
      
      But yes, all hail the great Stalin who can be considered directly responsible for starting a war with the Germans that took a large number of Russian lives and many more non-Russian lives.
      
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      January 14, 2017 5:30pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid and Andrei , Putin should put thhe focus of improving Russia’s underwhelming economy instead of grand pretensions reviving a thankfully bygone Soviet past .
    
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    January 14, 2017 11:16am
    - Andrei
      
      Perhaps you should look at some facts instead of believing what you read in the paper
      
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      January 14, 2017 11:26am
      - stephieboy
        
        Andrei , the source of that graph ?
        
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        January 14, 2017 12:36pm
      - Andrei
        
        It is on the bottom Stephiebot
        
        The IMF
        
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        January 14, 2017 2:10pm
      - pentwig
        
        Don’t forgive steffie Andrei,
        Just accept that it is as thick as three short planks and out of it’s depth on KB.
        
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        January 14, 2017 9:15pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    It couldn’t possibly be because its audience is far more interested in understanding what’s important to Russia…
    
    Naah, because how is Bill English becoming PM important to Russia? It’s the sort of news a person can get anywhere, so having that type of item there just looks anomalous if it was all about what is important to Russia.
    
    Furthermore, the item itself by missing out everything else Bill English is doing in Brussels implies his sole purpose is to visit NATO Headquarters (que ominous music …).
    
    …since NATO is now deploying hundreds of tanks and thousands of troops right up to Russia’s very borders…
    
    Something that would not have been necessary were Russia not threatening her neighbours and invading nearby countries.
    
    And imagine if Russia put the equivalent numbers of tanks and troops on Canada’s and Mexico’s US borders? How would that be interpreted by the US, do you think?
    
    Gosh, it’s all about Russia, isn’t it. Try and imagine what Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Poland are going through right now with their very long history with Russia – their much larger, more aggressive neighbour. Forget about the US, imagine yourself an Estonian wondering when the invasion is going to come, because it always comes, you can count on it. This isn’t about Canada or Mexico, or the US, this is all about the relationship that Russia has with her neighbours who are justifiably nervous.
    
    Gosh, you’d think being a New Zealander living in a very small country, you’d have some sympathy for other very small countries at least, if not for places like Poland and Sweden.
    
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    January 14, 2017 5:15pm
- Andrei
  
  How is it disinformation Lucia Maria?
  
  Bill English visited NATO in Brussels
  
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  January 14, 2017 10:37am
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    See my reply to Reid.
    
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    January 14, 2017 5:36pm
Harriet

The former child star of horror film The Omen faces being jailed on Friday the 13th after he admitted punching two cyclists in a road rage attack. 😎
Harvey Spencer Stephens was only five-years-old when he shot to fame playing the creepy boy Damian Thorn, the Antichrist, in the 1976 cult classic.
Now aged 46, Stephens has found himself in court over an incident in Toys Hill, Kent, last August.
The dad-of-one jumped out of his flashy Audi RS6 and punched two cyclists, smashing one of the victim’s helmets.
Stephens admitted two counts of ABH and one of criminal damage, The Sun reports.
And in a spooky twist of fate, Stephens is to be sentenced today, Friday the 13th.
Generations have were frightened by his performance in The Omen, including a famous scene where the boy continuously rides a tricycle in a circle.
Stephens acting career never took off and he is believed to have been working most recently in property.
In an interview in 2007 he said: “It was good, but I was only five, a lot of it went over my head.
“It wasn’t a big deal. It was good while it lasted.”
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January 14, 2017 10:25am
- stephieboy
  
  Harriet, seems a lot of a do about nothing . Fail to see your point ?
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:12am
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    that is totally understandable steffie
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:17pm
Hugh Pavletich

National portrait: Eric Crampton, economist and original thinker | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/88226400/National-portrait-Eric-Crampton-economist-and-original-thinker

… extract …

… New Zealand remains “a fantastic place with a lot of potential” but the failure to address superannuation costs and housing affordability are for Crampton the great disappointments of the John Key era. We had good eight years but, as in the title of another blog, Key was “quite an underachiever”.

The same era saw the government’s management of the Christchurch rebuild, of which Crampton was a critic: “Auckland’s housing crisis was a sin of omission. Post-quake Christchurch was a sin of commission.”

But housing affordability underlies every other social concern. Child poverty fell between 1982 and 2014 until you include housing costs, he says. Inequality also.

Mortgage rates hikes and investor LVR restrictions won’t be enough to stop Auckland house prices from growing in 2017, says the Property Institute | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/85483/mortgage-rates-hikes-and-investor-lvr-restrictions-wont-be-enough-stop-auckland-house

… extract …

… 7. Property will be the #1 Election Issue

Expect to see a string of announcements, from the Government, spelling out what it is doing to fix the Auckland housing crisis and outlining new ideas to speed this process up. In particular – it’s possible, even likely, that the Government will offer a more generous response to the plight of first home buyers in a pre-election budget surplus splurge.

Eddie Hobbs: Only structural political change will solve our housing crisis | Irish Examiner

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/eddie-hobbs-only-structural-political-change-will-solve-our-housing-crisis-438886.html
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January 14, 2017 10:34am
- wiseowl
  
  The only way to solve the housing crisis is to stop the the policy of mass immigration.
  If people cannot see that then I’ll eat my hat.
  Just front up and stop the UN driven , FTA driven open borders approach that is stuffing our once fine country.
  The worst part is the politicians that hide,avoid,deny that they are the ones that are placing the country in an unacceptable position and are elevating the new comers into a preferable situation compared to our own NZ born taxpayers.
  
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Manolo

An imbecile speaks:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/13/john-lewis-i-refuse-to-accept-election-result-rigged-by-russia-video/

Democratic Rep. John Lewis said he does not see Donald Trump as a legitimate president on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” saying a Russian “conspiracy” to help him win invalidated the result.
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January 14, 2017 10:46am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, rather like the birther imbeciles such as yourself led by Sheriff Joe ?
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:10am
  - Reid
    
    An imbecile speaks:
    
    That was very prescient Manolo. How did you know that was going to happen?
    
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    January 14, 2017 11:27am
Southern Raider

Three Palestinian immigrants in Germany set fire to a synagogue

German court ruled it wasn’t anti semetism and was a valid form of anti Israel protest

So if I burn down a mosque can I claim it is just a personal protest against Iran?
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January 14, 2017 10:49am
- Reid
  
  No, because Iran doesn’t slaughter innocents quite as often as Israel does, SR.
  
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  January 14, 2017 10:55am
  - mandk
    
    The slaughter of the innocents is entirely the responsibility of the Palestinians.
    
    Here’s a loving Palestinian father trying to provoke Israeli soldiers into killing his son.
    
    https://www.google.co.nz/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=palestinian%20father%20sends%20son
    
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    January 14, 2017 11:44am
    - Reid
      
      The slaughter of the innocents is entirely the responsibility of the Palestinians.
      
      What. You mean when the gunnery sergeant gives the order to load phosphorus and open fire on houses, a Palestinian is giving the order?
      
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      January 14, 2017 11:54am
      - mandk
        
        Here’s a test for you, Reid.
        
        The Israelis could easily wipe out the entire Palestinian population, if they wanted to, but it hasn’t happened. Israel has respect for peace and human rights.
        
        If the Israelis disarmed, how long would it be before the Palestinians and their allies came to wipe out the population?
        
        The malign intent is entirely on the side of the Palestinians and their allies.
        
        Shalom!
        
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        January 14, 2017 12:21pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Can’t argue with that: by not killing all the Palestinians, Israel proves its peaceful intent.
        
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        January 14, 2017 1:07pm
      - Reid
        
        I’ve never advocated they disarm, I’ve simply advocated they discontinue acting like ruthless street thugs.
        
        As discussed many times here, their nuclear weapons makes them invulnerable to any and all threats from their neighbours, the rest is just annoying pin pricks and no amount of emotive bullshit about home made rockets and how they occasionally kill someone on the rare occasions they hit anything at all, changes that cold, hard, geopolitical reality.
        
        And the question is: how much restraint should a powerful, wealthy, well-connected state exercise, when it has all the cards and the people who are at the pointy ends of her decision on that balance, have absolutely no power whatsoever?
        
        And the current reality is: whatever the answer to that is, what Israel has done since her inception, is not sufficient to meet that test, by a very large margin indeed.
        
        And if ya can’t see that, you don’t live on this planet.
        
        Of course, some people won’t see it, they refuse even to look at the clear and present and obvious reality, they’re like mind controlled robots, on this subject. But I know you’re not like that.
        
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        January 14, 2017 1:10pm
  - PhilBest
    
    Are you sure “executions in Iran” (google it) do not exceed the rate of deaths “at the hands of the Israel military”? Which more often than not involves response, not unilateral aggression?
    
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    January 14, 2017 1:58pm
- stephieboy
  
  Southern Raider, source ?
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:09am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Tabletmag.con
    
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    January 14, 2017 11:12am
Manolo

The old hag is losing it:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/2604362/madonna-tweets-racy-picture-of-vagina-tattoo-but-piers-morgan-isnt-impressed-as-he-admits-i-just-threw-up/

Madonna has incurred the wrath of Piers Morgan again after she posted a photo of a woman with a shaving in her pubic hair to promote an upcoming protest against Donald Trump.

The Queen of Pop, 58, took to Twitter and Instagram last night to promote the Women’s March – with a snap of a Nike tick in a very intimate area.
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January 14, 2017 10:54am
- Andrei
  
  She has a few million blow jobs to perform, mostly in California and New York, still outstanding
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:07am
  - Inandout
    
    She used to cruise in her stretch mobile brothel around the Latin areas of New York seeking the young guys. Plenty of room in the back apparently, like a boudoir.
    
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    January 14, 2017 1:56pm
- Flash
  
  Vulgarity. The new age of public wit and humour. Huh.
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:56am
- Inandout
  
  Christ, just how many women did Hillary sleep with?
  
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  January 14, 2017 1:53pm
- Gabby
  
  Piers’ vagina has taken a battering over the years but he’d sell an exclusive pic just for old times’ sake.
  
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  January 14, 2017 7:13pm
cha

The newly minted Lady Liberty coin…..
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January 14, 2017 11:05am
- mikenmild
  
  Uh oh. Cover your eyes, snowflakes.
  
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  January 14, 2017 12:17pm
- Fletch
  
  What’s kinda funny is that liberals want race to be kind of interchangeable as far as acting parts go but they didn’t like Joseph Fiennes playing Michael Jackson in an upcoming TV episode – so much so that it was pulled. The question has to be asked – could a black guy play Michael Jackson at the time of his life we’re talking about? Not without a load of white makeup.
  
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  January 14, 2017 12:45pm
Harriet

“{….The massive, Washington-based American Humanist Association is claiming victory over a handful of middle school students who were meeting before class to study the Bible in Joplin, Missouri.

The activists in the lobby group say they forced the school to cancel the Bible study by characterizing it as a deceptive activity that lured students with doughnuts…….”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/01/atheists-go-ballistic-over-doughnuts-at-bible-study/#s7skhpSiypOWOxql.99

The left has clearly lost it’s marbels — imposing ‘lentern legislation’ upon all pupils in all schools — and across the entire school year!

Atheism is now a theocracy! 😎
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January 14, 2017 11:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What is ‘lentern legislation’?
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:17am
  - Harriet
    
    You can’t eat sweets for religious reasons — currently under Christians Lent is for just 6 weeks prior to Easter. Kids save sweets for 6 weeks and eat them on Easter Sunday. The Atheists are denying them sweets for the remainder of the time they are Christians at school.
    
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    January 14, 2017 11:28am
    - nasska
      
      Bloody good job. Bad enough having their minds warped with the God crap without suffering from rotten teeth as well!
      
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      January 14, 2017 11:37am
      - Harriet
        
        Coming from a self proclaimed Ekatahuna hillbilly who is missing several. 😎
        
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        January 14, 2017 11:43am
      - stigie
        
        Not true Harriet, when you take your dentures out, anything is possible as you should know..?
        
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        January 14, 2017 11:50am
      - nasska
        
        He’s known as “silky gums” amongst the gay, cross-dressing, Catholic set stigie. 🙂
        
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        January 14, 2017 11:54am
    - mikenmild
      
      Can you eat lentils during Lent?
      And if you have to abstain from meat, does that mean you can’t eat the magic crackers that turn into Jesus each Sunday?
      
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      January 14, 2017 12:19pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh, Lenten….
      
      (yeah, I know it’s pedantic…. but I like new words… I was hoping lentern was for real)
      
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      January 14, 2017 2:53pm
- stephieboy
  
  Harriet ,
  
  “The first amendment to the US Constitution states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” The two parts, known as the “establishment clause” and the “free exercise clause” respectively, form the textual basis for the Supreme Court’s interpretations …”
  
  Paranoia and disinfo on WND’s and your part I think .
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:24am
- Disaster Area
  
  But the link you posted says ‘“Our staff was unaware of the policy update and its implication for this activity. As a result, we have suspended the Bible study as it is currently organized,” he said.
  
  So the group was breaking the policies of the school district, and it had nothing to do with doughnuts.
  
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  January 14, 2017 12:31pm
Reid

IN JANUARY, 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.

This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”

Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.

The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest. There are a wide array of legitimate and effective tactics for combatting those threats…

…But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive…

http://www.unz.com/forum/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-democrats-cheer/
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January 14, 2017 11:23am
- stephieboy
  
  Reid ,Breitbart’s fake news like Pizzagate included ?
  
  https://trofire.com/2016/12/06/breitbarts-pizzagate-conspiracy-fake-news-inspires-real-violence/
  
  Cold war mania ? Give the Soviets and Putin want they wanted and want ?
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:25am
  - Reid
    
    Idiotboy, would you mind if you comment at all on my threads, commenting about the actual thread, not making up some fantasy you have about something else? Think ya can do that, Idiotboy?
    
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    January 14, 2017 11:30am
- Reid
  
  Just to expand on this point:
  
  Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party
  
  As I explained the other day, Soros has been funding the Dems since 2002. Completely. So they stopped fundraising and eventually kowtowing to their working class base and turned to the vested interests Soros et al are interested in, plus the urban liberal snowflakes. That’s who they are now and will remain unless and until they ditch Soros and his interests which are by now entrenched.
  
  I read recently a report saying Trump’s team had requested Soros’ dossier from the war from the Russians – he worked with the Nazis helping them round up his fellow Jews – which indicates Trump will be investigating him, which is good, because his Purple Revolution is already poisonous and Trump’s not even been sworn in.
  
  Lots of evidence Obama’s been operating behind the scenes on these issues and that’s why he’s staying in Washington, to front Soros’ revolution and do what he does best – destroy things by fair means or foul – in this case, all of Trump’s various initiatives.
  
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  January 14, 2017 12:17pm
Andrei

The USA is definitely loosing the plot and is deep in tinfoil hat territory

The recently released report that asserts that Russian president Vladimir Putin has been “cultivating assisting and supporting Trump” for years and that the Russians have compromising information (kompromat) on him is, I believe, a deliberate Russian provocation.
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January 14, 2017 11:42am
- Reid
  
  It’s pathetic to watch ain’t it.
  
  Here’s another take on it and the Ukrainian connection.
  
  http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/01/the-deep-state-versus-donald-trump-new-smears-and-a-ukrainian-connection.html#more
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:51am
Manolo

The WSJ asks for the resignation of the FBI Director.
http://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-why-comey-should-resign/6E929306-7BEC-447D-BECE-759782DD7E71.html
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January 14, 2017 12:11pm
- Reid
  
  He’s probably got Trump’s protection. This is just another Deep State play. What do they have to hide??
  
  Comey…was and is not sufficiently deferential to the Obama cabal and the Clinton campaign. He launched and publicly announced an investigation into Clinton’s proven illegal behavior with regard to her private email server, but he refrained from announcing and investigating the obviously fake accusations against Trump which were peddled to him [back in August]. Such disloyal misdeed demands punishment:
  
  The Justice Department’s inspector general said Thursday that he would open a broad investigation into how the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, handled the case over Hillary Clinton’s emails, ..
  …
  The inspector general’s office said that it was initiating the investigation in response to complaints from members of Congress and the public about actions by the F.B.I. and the Justice Department during the campaign that could be seen as politically motivated.
  
  The inspector general is serving at the pleasure of the president. He can be fired as soon as Trump is in office. Unless he joins the cabal against Trump Comey has nothing to fear.
  
  —–
  
  UPDATE: FBI director Comey pissed on the House Democrats at the end of a classified hearing today. This a day after Obama’s Justice Department IG opened a case against him (see above). One might guess that Comey has had enough of it OR has now been assured of Trump’s backing. The Hill reports:
  
  A number of House Democrats left Friday’s confidential briefing on Russian hacking fuming over the actions of FBI Director James Comey and convinced he’s unfit to lead the agency.
  
  “I was nonjudgmental until the last 15 minutes. I no longer have that confidence in him,” Rep. Tim Walz (D-Minn.), ranking member of the Veterans Affairs Committee, said as he left the meeting in the Capitol.
  
  “Some of the things that were revealed in this classified briefing — my confidence has been shook.” …
  
  http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/01/deep-state-35-pages-attack-against-trump-fails-foreign-and-domestic-losses.html#more
  
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  January 14, 2017 12:26pm
Lucia Maria

Don’t write off the Trump dossier yet. If it has even a grain of truth it could destroy him

The dossier put together by a British former MI6 agent for an opposition research group – published by Buzzfeed this week – is raw intelligence, a collection of unfiltered and unverified accounts from contacts in the FSB, the successor to the KGB.

But if even one of the allegations laid out against Mr Trump in its 35 pages proves to be true, Watergate would pale in comparison to its consequences.

And there is reason to believe there is more to come out.

As one Washington insider pointed out to me, the leaders of the FBI, CIA and National Security Agency, tend to be at loggerheads, often briefing against one another as their agencies vie for power and influence.

For all three to agree, as they did last week, that the contents of dossier was credible enough to attach a two-page summary to a classified report given to Mr Trump and Mr Obama, indicates they know more than has been admitted.

Schindler linked to the above with the comment:

“Media won’t let go now … buckle up, peeps.”

I would guess that the British press is also heavily invested in the Trump dossier because one of their own put the thing together, and they’ll be out to prove he was more right than wrong.
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January 14, 2017 12:33pm
- cha
  
  Something’s up and they know it.
  
  There is, in short, something significant about the fact that these allegations, given that they have not been validated, are not part of the giant compost heap of things the intelligence community simply ignores. And there is something very significant about the fact that the intelligence chiefs elevated it to the level of presidential eyes. Why hasn’t the government, after some months of investigation, affirmatively put the questions to rest by concluding the documents are untrue?
  
  https://www.lawfareblog.com/why-are-trump-allegations-hanging-around-when-they-havent-been-substantiated
  
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  January 14, 2017 12:49pm
  - stephieboy
    
    cha, unfortunately that privilege was not even given to Obama re his birth certificate and so called sealed documents etc !
    
    BTW the added fact that Trump himself was happy to keep the birth certificate falsehoods percolating along .
    
    He has no grounds to complain !
    
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    January 14, 2017 1:18pm
Reid

On Obongo’s farewell speech:

National Review magazine described the final address as “a great deal of vague and fruity talk about ‘hope and change,’ very little of genuine interest, and an undercurrent of bitterness communicating his unshakeable belief that the American people just simply are not up to the task of fully appreciating History’s unique gift to them in the person of Barack Obama.”

“[…] he is so terribly disappointed in us! Having just endured the electorate’s rejection of his party and his mode of politics with the election of Donald Trump, and grimly considering the likely dismantling of much of his executive-order legacy, President Obama gave a speech about how our democracy has failed and why.

You’ll be something less than shocked to learn that his belief is that Americans are so beguiled and befouled by racism and prejudice that we failed to cultivate the sacred spark the Promethean president handed down to us,” it further described the speech with bitter irony.

“Oh, and we watch too much Fox News and read too many Facebook posts from that right-wing uncle of myth and lore, which deprives us of a ‘common baseline of facts’,” it added.

https://sputniknews.com/us/201701131049566596-obana-presidency-legacy/
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January 14, 2017 12:50pm
- Manolo
  
  Obama is a full-blown demagogue: all talk, little action. He will be remembered as a failure.
  
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  January 14, 2017 3:00pm
  - Reid
    
    Yeah he is exactly that Manolo. Which is interesting because lefties don’t like demagogues or so they tell us, especially not full blown ones. Which means they’re either lying to us and they’re not good wholesome loving people after all, or they’re particularly stupid because they haven’t even noticed this is precisely what Obama is.
    
    I wonder which one stephie is?
    
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    January 14, 2017 3:47pm
- Gabby
  
  Except he didn’t say any of that, Foul Spawn of Satan’s Anus.
  
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  January 14, 2017 7:03pm
Fletch

Leave to an Aussie to show the Hollywood types some common sense.

“I’m always reticent to start commenting politically; I’ve never done it in terms of America or Australia. I’m issue-based,” Kidman told the BBC while promoting her new movie, Lion. “So I just say, he’s now elected, and we as a country need to support whoever is the president because that’s what the country’s based on.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2017/01/13/nicole-kidman-support-trump/96557180/
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January 14, 2017 1:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , I wish that same sentiment was shared at the time Obama was elected .
  
  I believe you never ever have based only on spurious and false conspiracy theories which you will carry to the grave .
  
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  January 14, 2017 1:13pm
  - calendar girl
    
    “I believe you never ever have based only on spurious and false conspiracy theories …..”
    
    Does that assemblage of words actually have a meaning, stephieboy?
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:44pm
  - pentwig
    
    what on earth do you mean steffie?
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:27pm
mandk

“Can’t argue with that: by not killing all the Palestinians, Israel proves its peaceful intent”

Glib response. But let’s get serious.

I invite you to answer the question, mikenmild:

If Israel laid down its weapons, what would happen?

And what about this question:

If the Palestinians laid down their weapons, what would happen?
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January 14, 2017 1:13pm
Scorpion

RED Ice Have Great Talks and Discussions

The Caucasian Mind: Both Universe-Oriented & Self-Oriented

https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/the-caucasian-mind-both-universe-oriented-and-self-oriented

A Pro White Discussion from an Indian.
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January 14, 2017 1:32pm
- stephieboy
  
  RED Ice notoriously anti Jewish ,
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2y0s63/red_ice_radio_has_begun_to_directly_address_the/?st=ixwj1xj1&sh=300d5dd9
  
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  January 14, 2017 2:07pm
  - Reid
    
    Yes Scorpion, how did that particular lecture treat the Jews? We’re all keenly interested in knowing that.
    
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    January 14, 2017 3:39pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid, again I think it can be very relevant if websites like RED Ice have anti Jewsih leanings .
      
      Much like your Veteran’s Today ,
      
      http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/10/29/top10holo/
      
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      January 14, 2017 5:17pm
      - pentwig
        
        steffie
        dont think!
        you have nothing to think with!
        
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        January 14, 2017 9:29pm
    - Scorpion
      
      Get off you Fat useless Sheep Sodomite
      backside and listen to it for yourself.
      
      It was actually quite good.
      
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      January 14, 2017 6:53pm
- Scorpion
  
  The Discussion is an Indian who is Pro White
  if you have a problem with that you can go
  and Fark yourself.
  
  Everything you discuss on this Forum becomes
  about the jews hitler and the holocaust? even completely un related ones
  LIKE A BROKEN FARKEN RECORD
  it is all about you
  
  RED ICE can cover what ever Topic they like
  
  They have a KIWI on from time to time
  that should put the SH*Ts up you Commie Lover
  
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  January 14, 2017 6:52pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Scorpion,
    from your link this,
    
    “To conclude, Frank reminds us that contemporary White people, similarly, are not expressing their true nature since they have been subjected to cultural brainwashing at the hands of a hostile and largely foreign elite.”
    
    Which” cultiral brainwashing” from which “hostile and largely foreign elite ?
    
    A sweeping and unsubstantiated assertion , IMHO!
    
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    January 14, 2017 7:36pm
    - pentwig
      
      what on earth is humble in any opinion you have steffie?
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:31pm
Reid

Report of a leaked tape recording of Kerry admitting:

the Obama administration’s primary goal in Syria was regime change (not the defeat of ISIS)

that to accomplish the goal of regime change, the White House allowed the rise of ISIS. Here, Kerry is being too modest. The US did a great deal more than “allow” the rise of ISIS. With its Qatari, Saudi, Turkish, Jordanian and Israeli allies it financed, trained, armed and supported (both militarily and politically) ISIS.

Thirdly, Kerry admitted that not only did the US arm ISIS, it carried out military operations that were of direct assistance.

http://journal-neo.org/2017/01/13/syria-and-the-united-states-more-truths-emerge/
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January 14, 2017 1:55pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , James O’Neil comes up with this palpable rubbish ,
  
  http://journal-neo.org/2016/10/07/mh17-and-the-jit-a-flawed-investigation/
  
  Pro Putin to the Core !
  
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  January 14, 2017 2:10pm
  - Reid
    
    stupidboy, I asked you just before above, if you’re going to respond to my posts at all, at least have the courtesy of responding to the point it raises, not some other fucking stupid point you’ve decided to make.
    
    This is because idiotboy, all the points I’ve ever seen you make are, to say the least, completely and utterly profoundly moronic in every possible way, so me and I suspect everyone else here as well, is not in the least bit interested in anything you make up out of your own head, because it doesn’t work stephie, it’s broken, something’s gone wrong and you need a new one.
    
    Let’s hope I don’t have to explain this elementary point a third time stephie, for then I may not be quite so polite.
    
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    January 14, 2017 2:22pm
    - stephieboy
      
      For clarity my responses are most often influenced by the contributor and their biases and agenda they might be representing.
      
      My impression is that Neo New Eastern Outlook has a distinctly pro Kremlin Russian agenda .
      
      But correct me if I’m wrong ?
      
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      January 14, 2017 4:05pm
      - Viking2
        
        Islamic cure.
        “anything you make up out of your own head, because it doesn’t work stephie, it’s broken, something’s gone wrong and you need a new one.”
        
        Off with his head then.
        
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        January 14, 2017 4:21pm
      - Reid
        
        For clarity my responses are most often influenced by the contributor and their biases and agenda they might be representing.
        
        Yes I know that stupidboy, but for clarity, you’re so profoundly hopeless at understanding anything at all let alone real people with all their complexity, you have always repeat always repeat always misinterpreted what my actual position is on any topic on which you’ve ever chanced your arm and this applies to every single time in the long lamentable catalogue of your commenting on things I post here.
        
        So I suggest, don’t do that anymore, instead actually address the topic of the thread. Apart from anything else stephie, it’s quite rude, what you do. I’m serious, it is.
        
        So in summary, if you don’t feel able to respond to the point I’m making, then as far as my posts are concerned, please don’t reply.
        
        I won’t say thank you, because I shouldn’t have had to ask you to do that in the first place, you should have just known and not done it.
        
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        January 14, 2017 4:54pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Bullshit Stephie, you just like poking a stick at everyone’s comments cause you’re a sad little man with no life. Eh Creepyboy.
        I mean seriously. You turn up and run through the thread leaving comments everywhere and even do that late at night when no one is even going to respond, so obviously you aren’t interested in dialogue. It’s like you’re playing a game of last word.
        Sad.
        
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        January 14, 2017 5:01pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red, now don’t get your knickers in a twist. I guess when it comes down to it most of our sources are biased including of course especially yours .
      
      Notably your attempt to make light of Trumps known associations with Jeffry Epstein’s as familar as they are as Bill Clinton .
      
      Pathetic !
      
      BTW I thought it was appalling of James O’Neil’s appaerent attempt to try and exonerate Putin’s and the Kremlin’s complicty in the downing of Flight M17 .
      
      Reid , kindly asnwer my question . Does Neo new Outlook have a pro Putin agenda.?
      
      Yes or Not ?
      
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      January 14, 2017 5:10pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        GFYYC. I laugh at you talking about Epstein when you are the creep who pervs at girls in Malls and writes about it here.
        Sad little man. Stalking all the comments.
        
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        January 14, 2017 7:12pm
Lucia Maria

Senate intelligence committee to question Trump team on Russia links

Chairman says panel will use ‘subpoenas if necessary’ to force testimony
Moscow accused of collusion with Trump team and of cyber-crimes
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January 14, 2017 3:03pm
- Reid
  
  So the Chairman’s going to ask Vlad to fly in from Moscow so he can testify?
  
  What happens if Vlad says he’s busy and can’t come till next week?
  
  Is that war, or not quite yet?
  
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  January 14, 2017 3:50pm
- Viking2
  
  Senate intelligence committee.
  UMMM/???????
  
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  January 14, 2017 4:23pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Viking 2 , you are of course referring to GOP Intelligence committee chairman Richard Burr ?
    
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    January 14, 2017 4:28pm
Inandout

Six more days to go, what else can the Democrats manufacture?
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January 14, 2017 3:07pm
Lucia Maria

Exclusive: Assad linked to Syrian chemical attacks for first time
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January 14, 2017 3:09pm
Lucia Maria

“I didn’t think it could be done in the United States”

An interview with Anne Applebaum, author of Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe 1944-56, and Gulag: A History of the Soviet Camps , and wife of Radosław Sikorski, on the Russian hack of the DNC and Donald Trump’s flirtation with Vladimir Putin..

Jacob Weisberg: So, I have to say, you have been the person I know who has been talking about this the longest—this being Putin’s intervention in the elections of democratic countries.

Anne Applebaum: Yes, there is a pattern now of different types of interventions, whether through open funding—Russia openly funds Marine Le Pen, who’s a far-right leader in France—or through hacking and email leaks and taping scandals, which have unfolded in several East European countries. The interesting thing about Russia’s intervention in other elections is that it’s very tailored to the particular country. It’s not ideological. In other words, in the olden days, the Soviet Union supported Communist parties all over Europe and all over the world. And now it looks like the pattern is that Russia intervenes in order to create disruption and chaos in Western democracies, thereby to weaken them, thereby to weaken the European Union and NATO. And, if I’m honest, it hadn’t really occurred to me that the U.S. electoral system was weak enough for the Russians to be able to influence it, but it looks like almost exactly the same pattern is now in play in the United States that we’ve seen play out in other European countries.
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January 14, 2017 3:37pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Someone’s been eating too many magic crackers
  
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  January 14, 2017 7:13pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , is this as good at it gets with your feeble and purile responses ?
    
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    January 14, 2017 7:40pm
    - pentwig
      
      pardon????
      
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      January 14, 2017 10:04pm
Manolo

Abbott attacks pinko Turnbull:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/…abbott…/24b5f4a071a0cf01353185da991530b6
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January 14, 2017 4:06pm
Viking2

So, D4J and big bruv will be in Queenstown for “the wedding” I guess.

Richie McCaw and Gemma Flynn: It’ll be the closest New Zealand will get to a royal wedding.

Congratulations Mr and Mrs McCaw.

The All Black legend and the Black Sticks star have tied the knot in Wanaka.

Against the stunning backdrop of Lake Wanaka guests and the bridal party watched on as McCaw and Flynn exchanged vows at the venue, The Olive Grove.

Controversial PR boss Michelle Boag has sent out a warning over the wedding.

In a statement released by Boag, the security firm covering Richie McCaw’s wedding to Gemma Flynn says drones flying above the site will be considered trespass.

“The wedding will take place on private property and the adjacent property has also been secured,” says the statement from Platform4 Group.

does anyone care really??
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January 14, 2017 4:36pm
- mikenmild
  
  Hopefully they will have some anti-aircraft guns to take care of any drones.
  
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  January 14, 2017 5:08pm
- Nookin
  
  The only people who cared here in Wanaka was the news media — all highly pissed off that they could not get close. A lot of people around town but I didnt see D4J. I suspect he has been practising his speech.
  Sadly, the wind was blowing like 40 bastards. At least it wasn’t raining.
  
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  January 14, 2017 10:04pm
Don the Kiwi

Here we go again. 🙂
U.N. Resolution Will End Christian Existence in Jerusalem and Invite New Crusader War
By Shadi Khalloul
During the Islamic occupation of Israel that began during the seventh century, Christians and Jews were forced to convert to Islam through horrific oppression that included colonization and the resettlement of tribes from the Arab Peninsula in Jerusalem and the rest of the Middle East. These Christians and Jews were indigenous to the holy land of Judea and Samaria, an area that some refer to as the West Bank.

The Islamic occupiers ruled Christians and Jews through strict Sharia laws that branded Christians by requiring them to wear conspicuous, unique items of clothing. The Christians could not build new churches, ring church bells or publicly celebrate special holidays. This treatment was eerily like the marking of Jews in Nazi Germany with yellow badges, or of the anti-Semitic Nuremberg laws of 1935, which contained many of the racial theories prevalent in Nazi ideology. Those pieces of legislation excluded German Jews from Reich citizenship and prohibited them from marrying or having relations with persons of “German or related blood.”

The “Pact Of Umar” – also known as the Treaty of Umar or the Laws of Umar – is an apocryphal treaty between the Muslims and the Christians of Syria, Mesopotamia or Jerusalem. It later gained a canonical status in Islamic jurisprudence. This document (which was reportedly signed by the second caliph, Umar I [634-44], after he occupied Jerusalem) is the source of the restrictive regulations embedded in Sharia and Islamic law that are put on non-Muslims. The spirit of these laws still exists; they continue to be followed in all Islamic and Arab countries and in all current and future state constitutions of the Palestinian Authority. The Islamic State, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and any terror organization that delegitimizes non-Muslims’ right to exist independently in the region also follow the Pact of Umar. Some of those laws are the most racist in human history and have led to genocide, annihilation and suffering for Eastern Christians and Arameans – even today, as evidenced by recent events in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq, and by the treatment of the Jewish indigenous population inhabiting the Fertile Crescent and Israel.

Read more……https://philosproject.org/u-n-resolution-will-end-christian-existence-jerusalem-invite-new-crusader-war/
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January 14, 2017 5:38pm
- mikenmild
  
  Crusade like it’s the eleventh century.
  
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  January 14, 2017 5:54pm
stephieboy

Don the Kiwi,

Jerusalem captured in First Crusade 1099 AD

“..After resting and reorganizing for six months, the crusaders set off for their ultimate goal, Jerusalem. Their numbers were now reduced to some 1,200 cavalry and 12,000 foot soldiers. On June 7, 1099, the Christian army reached the holy city, and finding it heavily fortified, began building three enormous siege towers. By the night of July 13, the towers were complete, and the Christians began fighting their way across Jerusalem’s walls. On July 14, Godfrey’s men were the first to penetrate the defenses, and the Gate of Saint Stephen was opened. The rest of the knights and soldiers then poured in, the city was captured, and tens of thousands of its occupants were slaughtered…”

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jerusalem-captured-in-first-crusade

And were Christian living in East Jerusalem since 1947 subject to the same alleged scourges ?

The Ottomans geenerally attempted to protect Chrostrian in Jerusalem but sometimes local zealots there tried to influece the rulers ,

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09596419608721081?journalCode=cicm20
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January 14, 2017 6:02pm
- Scorpion
  
  Must be Time for Another
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40h71q8-3X8
  
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  January 14, 2017 7:00pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Scorpion , you and the Salvation Army ?
    
    BTW the Knight Templers were banned by the French King Philip IV and dissolved by Pope Clement the V in 1312 ,
    
    http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/who-were-the-knights-templar
    
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    January 14, 2017 7:48pm
Scorpion

The Big Lie of the Crusades which were defensive in nature have ended while Jihad Continues.

Which was worse? Watch the data and you decide. This video is part of Bill Warner’s astounding lecture: “Why we are afraid. A 1400 years secret”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
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January 14, 2017 7:03pm
- Reid
  
  The Big Lie of the Crusades which were defensive in nature
  
  So they rode all the way to the Middle East, just to “defend” themselves?
  
  Have you thought about becoming a journalist? You’d fit in very well.
  
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  January 14, 2017 7:17pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Agreed !
    
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    January 14, 2017 7:50pm
Scorpion

Always bleating about the Crusades no Mongols
apologising are there?

“I am the punishment of God…If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.”
― Genghis Khan

How Genghis KHan DESTROYED the ISLAMic KingDom

https://youtu.be/oT76sy9RSf0

When MongoLs gave MusLims TASTE of their own Medicine of CrueLty, Barbarism & DESTRUCTION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJqk8-GWBkU
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January 14, 2017 7:08pm
- Reid
  
  Always bleating about the Crusades no Mongols
  apologising are there?
  
  No. Apparently Mongols didn’t do apologising. Raping and slaughtering, the odd sacking here and there and other what-nots but not much apologising.
  
  And everyone they needed to apologise to was dead anyway so perhaps they just thought there wasn’t any point.
  
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  January 14, 2017 7:21pm
  - Scorpion
    
    There is much we can learn from them and their approach, myself I just think Ghengis Khan was a sensitive new age Guy who is just misunderstood.
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:19pm
- stephieboy
  
  Scorpion ,incomprehensible twaddle.
  
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  January 14, 2017 7:51pm
  - Scorpion
    
    “I am the punishment of God…If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.”
    ― Genghis Khan
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:14pm
  - pentwig
    
    again steffie!
    pardon???
    coming from the biggest troll on KB what an amazing comment.
    have you no shame?
    
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    January 14, 2017 10:08pm
Scorpion

VLAD the Impaler who Dracula is based on
kept as a Prisoner and Raped like his Brother
by those poor Muslims bit of an on going theme
with SCUM isn’t it a bit like Rotherham etc etc etc
ON AND ON

What goes around comes around
they created him and he had his revenge
right up the RECTUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7AaH3Uvgd0

ISLAM Created VLAD the impaler

They want to be allowed by STEPHIE BOY and others TO RAPE MURDER INVADE with no Consequences no reaction

Sooner or later some one messed over by them
returns the favour

The left Genghis Khan to die poisoned his father
and then even when establishing trade they stole
his property and tortured his envoy

BAD IDEA

REAP THE WHIRLWIND
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January 14, 2017 7:19pm
- Reid
  
  So the moral is: don’t ever let Muslims take you prisoner along with your brother because you know what will happen next?
  
  Got it.
  
  Thanks for the heads up Scorpion, me and my brothers dodged a bullet there. KB is full of helpful info like this. Thanks mate.
  
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  January 14, 2017 7:26pm
- stephieboy
  
  Scorpion , more piffle !
  
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  January 14, 2017 7:53pm
  - Scorpion
    
    “I am the punishment of God…If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.”
    ― Genghis Khan
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:15pm
nasska

“I have got two women at home waiting for sex from me”, bragged the knob in the Christchurch pub.

“Yes”, came reply….the same as every other bloke in the city. Your Mother and your sister”.
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January 14, 2017 7:56pm
- Scorpion
  
  No you are drunk have a small f l a cid nob
  and are wondering around at night in a sheep paddock
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:16pm
Scorpion

Historical Characters Like
Genghis Khan
and
Vlad the Impaler
did not exist in a Vacuum did they?

Vlad is often portrayed as a Christian by them?
but he was raised by the Turks, they created him,
(they will leave that bit out conveniently)
there is always more to the BS they give you on the Crusades and anything else.
Vlad the impaler and Genghis Khan?
What inspired people to go to those lengths.

It really comes down to their unfortunate interactions and experiences with these people and their system?

Look no further than the horrific cruelty going on in Europe?

You will see more like this in NZ soon enough.

http://madworldnews.com/cops-walls-muslim-nightclub/

Georgian Prime Minister Giorgi Kvirikashvili confirmed this week that an investigation has been launched into a string of Arab and Turkish-owned nightclubs, restaurants, and cafes, resulting in a child sex slavery bust.

Same old Same old

Some put it this way

Given Vlad’s possible rape by the Turkish, his brother’s sexual relationship with his Turkish captor, and Vlad’s extreme hatred for Mehmed and the Turks, it is interesting that Vlad would “perfect” a method of torture that could be the ultimate symbolic response to these experiences: impalement.

Have a nice Day and stick that one where ever
it pleases you.

What goes around comes around and get’s you in the backside so to speak.

<
http://www.academia.edu/10342218/Psycho-biographical_considerations_about_Vlad_the_Impaler_also_known_as_Dracula

This nightmare ? repeating Horror Movie
Like the Zombies who star in it and support it
will not go away in our life time.
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January 14, 2017 8:10pm
- pentwig
  
  are you steffie#3?
  
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  January 14, 2017 10:11pm
Griff

Scorpion

Get off you Fat useless Sheep Sodomite

What it it with these whackos and rooting sheep up the bum?
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January 14, 2017 8:12pm
- Reid
  
  You seem privy to details the rest of aren’t Griff. Care to share?
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:16pm
  - Griff
    
    Why do wackos go on about sodomizing sheep is one of the great philosophical questions of our time Reid.
    I have no answer.
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:22pm
    - pentwig
      
      I am sure steffie knows the answer and can source it of course Griff.
      
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      January 14, 2017 10:13pm
Don the Kiwi

Wanna learn the truth of the Crusades? Listen up: –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuYj8IqviYo
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January 14, 2017 8:16pm
- Reid
  
  Can you precis Don?
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:19pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Yes Reid.
    Islam has been an aggressor since its inception – only a 5 minute clip. All true.
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:23pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All nonsense !
      
      Did they start WW I and 2 ?
      
      This though provoking comment from your video.
      
      “Rebel Media should make a video on Islam regarding the popularity of pedophilia and beastiality. Muslims in countries like Afghanistan gang rape poor animals”
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:05pm
- Scorpion
  
  Great Video and let’s not Forget it all started
  again Sept 9/11 when they were stopped
  at the Gates of Vienna
  
  Global Call to JIHAD that has been Answered
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:24pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    And before that, the Battle of Lepanto – and several other critical battles against the aggressive Islam before that by the Catholic armies.
    Sadly, those who deny Truth are bound to see history repeated – as is happening in our day. The sound of Alahu Ahkbar will resound through many western countries before Islam is defeated – again – by Christianity.
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:30pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Don the Kiwi , Ok counting down to the third Siege of Vienna right now ….10.9.9,7 etc
      
      Ignition and blast off !
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:03pm
    - Scorpion
      
      Allah Ahkba means my brakes are not working
      what are you talking about listen to Stephie
      
      Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust
      
      Holocaust Hitler Hitler Holocaust are we onto the Holocaust again yet?
      
      Looks like we are
      
      Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust
      
      is everyone who does not agree exactly with
      Stephie Boys Myopic view of the World
      a Natzi yet
      
      off course
      
      Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust
      Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust
      Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:51pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Scorpion , tell us more !
        
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        January 14, 2017 9:54pm
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    Scorpion , ???
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:10pm
    - Scorpion
      
      You could talking about lettuces and it is
      
      Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust
      Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust
      
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      January 14, 2017 10:34pm
- nasska
  
  Bugger the Crusades Don. Help us out with Griff’s question.
  
  As a cocky, I reckon that a sheep is nothing more than dirty, smelly life-support system for nematodes. 🙂
  
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  January 14, 2017 8:28pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    nasska
    🙂
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:31pm
  - Reid
    
    Perhaps you’re just saying that to throw us off the scent nasska.
    
    There has to be some reason you guys stick around, generation after generation.
    
    I’m just surprised NZ’s banjo market hasn’t exploded.
    
    Yet…
    
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    January 14, 2017 8:54pm
Captain Mainwaring

Christ there’s some madness on display here tonight.
Is it a full moon?
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January 14, 2017 8:41pm
- Scorpion
  
  Great Movie Watch it you will need someone
  like Khan in time
  
  http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2813460761
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:43pm
  - Griff
    
    Why dont you answer my question insect with sting in its tail? having the inside running as it were you must know.
    We had another insect themed commentator here a few days ago .
    Beesting also went on about sodomizing sheepies .
    It also done the CAP lock thingy and posting screeds of nonsense.
    Do you go to a special school for whacks to learn this sort of detail ?
    Or is it a side effect of the affliction?
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:51pm
Manolo

Thousands of snowflakes:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-trump-protesters-head-washington-023116020.html

Hundreds of thousands of people are expected to attend Donald Trump’s inauguration, but hundreds of thousands of protesters are also expected in Washington next week to vent their frustration over his election win.
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January 14, 2017 9:13pm
- stephieboy
  
  “Life is like a snowflake—transient, translucent, adventurous, ephemeral, and beautiful.”
  
  ― Debasish Mridha
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:20pm
  - Scorpion
    
    Sorry Got that wrong anyone who’s does not
    agree 100% is a 100% Rabid Natzi and then it is:
    
    Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust
    Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust
    
    Followed by
    
    Holocaust Hitler
    
    There ends the KB Discussion
    
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    January 14, 2017 10:38pm
- Reid
  
  Yes. The delicate petals will soon wilt under the righteous fight of the heroic police batons and the hippie-grade tear gas cannisters.
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:26pm
  - Manolo
    
    A bit of water will not do some of them any harm.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:28pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, Trump’s new order ?
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:48pm
Scorpion

LGBT EXPOSED – Hard-Hitting, Major Russian TV Film (SODOM) HD Eng Dub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uvWkgz1XQM

Kiwi ozzie Connection in this Video

Go to minute 32
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January 14, 2017 9:24pm
- stephieboy
  
  Scorpion , this thought provoking reaction to the video,
  
  Luc Skywalker3 days ago
  +Dipayan Bird Of Hermes Dey you have you tell those fucking faggot bitch fucking get AIDS and die
  
  and another ,
  
  JR Kipling
  
  Gotta love the part where the American Embassy.. under orders from ex homosexual prostitute Barack Obama tries to order other countries to be as sick as the USA is.We use to stand for decency. Look what the scum of the Democratic party has done to our country.
  
  etc, etc, etc
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:30pm
  - Reid
    
    stephie which particular bits (give times) did you find incorrect or objectionable (list your reasons in each case).
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:39pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , I think the commnets about the movie can be very revealing telling us a great deal about the state of mind of many of viewers . Alos of course the video producers .
      
      I would call it unhinged , vile and bigoted !
      
      You ?
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:50pm
      - Reid
        
        No I asked you which particular bits. Shall I ask again or have you got it this time?
        
        Sometimes facts are facts stephie. You may not like these but this doesn’t change the fact it’s a fact.
        
        Simple as that mate.
        
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        January 14, 2017 9:55pm
      - pentwig
        
        That’s in steffies far too hard basket Reid.
        Ergo no reply.
        Simple steffie can only claim to have a perversion sadly.
        
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        January 14, 2017 10:23pm
      - Scorpion
        
        THE FACT you conveniently miss at minute 32
        
        As I understand it they (NZer and AUSSIE) Ordered a Surrogate in Russia and used their son as a sex slave on a global prostitute tour?
        
        YOU DO NOW UNDERSTAND WHY PUTIN
        REFUSES TO ALLOW PEOPLE FROM Other countries to ADOPT or use woman bodies as prostitutes to produce sex slaves to order.
        
        The Aus Police Officers said that is the worst
        case of Abuse they have ever seen
        
        THAT IS RELEVANT FACT is it not
        
        Comments aside, NZ already has a long history
        of child abuse, torture and Murder so this of course has nothing to do with the LGBT Agenda.
        
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        January 14, 2017 10:52pm
Jack5

Europe’s Jews, Gays, and other minorities are increasingly supporting the Far Right, reports the Christian Science Monitor:

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2017/0111/Why-are-Jews-gays-and-other-minorities-in-Europe-increasingly-voting-far-right
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January 14, 2017 9:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And British Jews are rushing to collect their German passports
  
  http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/baroness-neuberger-applies-for-german-passport/
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:33pm
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    A bob each way, perhaps.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:37pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack 5 , this from your link,
  
  “..He says that the far-right Freedom Party (FPO) in Austria, for example, founded by former Nazi party officials in the 1950s, has been courting minorities, including Jews, not so much because they need the Jewish vote in the country. “It is minuscule, it doesn’t bring you any votes. But it does protect you against accusations that you are too close to old Nazi ideology. It makes you more acceptable, both nationally and internationally.”
  
  Rather self serving don’t you think ?
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:36pm
  - Jack5
    
    Self-serving? Yep, a bit like the Stephie team’s defence of Jews in response to EAD? 😀
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:39pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Jack5 , you take EAD’s National Socialist ideas about Jews seriously ?
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:44pm
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        No.
        
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        January 14, 2017 9:49pm
stephieboy

jack 5 , and more self serving politicking from Marine Le Pen,

“The people” for the FN used to be more exclusive – certainly not Jews or gays, who were cast off as an “anomaly” by Le Pen’s father, Jean-Marie, the founder of the party. But since taking over the party in 2011, she has been on a clean-up mission, even breaking off relations with her father in 2015 over his reiteration that the Holocaust was a mere “detail” in history.

In fact, on this day she saves most of her vitriol for the EU, saying that during bailout negotiations it wielded the euro currency like “a knife stuck in a country’s ribs.”

She is careful about cultivating a more tolerant message, distinguishing radical Islam from the faith. “There are two Islams,” she told foreign journalists. “One is a religion that is perfectly compatible with French values, and practicing Muslims, like Christians and Jews, have never posed a problem. But there is another political, fundamentalist, totalitarian Islam that wants Sharia law over French law.”

To an extent, it has worked. Just as she has made interesting bedfellows with Socialist supporters in “rustbelt” France, her minority vote is growing. In 2012, 13 percent of Jews voted for her in presidential elections, compared with 6 percent for her father in 2002. The FN has even attracted some Muslims.”

That last sentence is revealing now isn’t it?

I sgggest to re read your link a lot more closely .
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January 14, 2017 9:41pm
Jack5

Does NZ have any really Right wing party?

Perhaps ACT is Right wing on economic issues, but ACT doesn’t seem to have much in common with the European Far Right parties.

The Maori Party is race based, but I don’t think it wants to deport non-Maori, or put us in camps.
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January 14, 2017 9:48pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , so what are the options ?
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:52pm
  - Jack5
    
    IMHO:
    
    Option 1: We stay focused on the current danger – Islamic extremism, and keep the Islamic world at bay.
    
    Option 2: we throw in the towel and become Muslims.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:54pm
    - stephieboy
      
      jack5 and how to translate that into workable politcal change and action ?
      
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      January 14, 2017 9:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X:
        
        Can’t say, Stephie. We suspect one of the Stephie team may be a secret ISIL sympathiser, and we don’t want him/her passing on our thoughts to HQ in Mosul.
        
        😯
        
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        January 14, 2017 10:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You are forgetting the Mongol option.
      
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      January 14, 2017 10:16pm
      - Jack5
        
        Maggy, by that do you mean the Genghis Khan option? A 21st century version of bow-legged, bow carrying Siberians riding their sturdy little horses through the mosques?
        
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        January 14, 2017 10:22pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oi, I don’t think the hubby likes being described as bow-legged.
        
        But who sent the Mongols back to their frozen steppes?
        
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        January 14, 2017 10:36pm
      - Jack5
        
        Maggy – some of the Golden Horde stayed in Russia. As in the Russian Federation’s Tatarstan Republic. I believe there are even Tatars in Finland.
        
        So your husband’s Siberian. Quite a few Siberians in NZ. Some in Christchurch came with the fishing fleet that used to be based at Lyttelton. Mostly ethnic Russian Siberians, if that’s the right term. Haven’t met any Buryats or Tatars or Russian Eskimos or the like yet.
        
        I used a typical weather greeting in speaking to a man from Siberia. He said: “It’s always spring or autumn in New Zealand.”
        
        I guess the bow legs went out with the ponies.
        
        If I see a bow-legged guy in an NZ street I’ll assume it’s a jockey and won’t make an ass of myself trying to pronounce Здравствуйте.
        
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        January 14, 2017 10:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The husband is a mongrel as far as I can ascertain.
        Cossack is probably the most recognisable part of his heritage,… but they had generations of interbreeding with the Mongols.
        
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        January 14, 2017 11:05pm
  - Scorpion
    
    How long before your Mossad Buddies
    Start giving NZ politicians bad driving lessons
    
    How many will have accidents before they get their way? 2- 3
    
    There is always Helicopters
    
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    January 14, 2017 10:20pm
    - Jack5
      
      Scorpy – I don’t know who you think may have buddies in Mossad. (If you were really paranoid – thoroughly paranoid – you might think Kiwiblog itself was a Mossad message board, with the really deeply coded stuff being posted by the Stephie syndicate.)
      
      You mention helicopters. That’s more Indonesian style isn’t it. Like in the Bre-X salted gold mine scandal and the mining geologist who “fell” out of a helicopter into the jungle.
      
      Fancy salting a mine in which Indonesian generals had big shareholdings.
      
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      January 14, 2017 10:31pm
- Scorpion
  
  hell know you have been brain washed by socialists since birth
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:52pm
- Scorpion
  
  NZ First is your only hope take it or you will be rolled
  
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  January 14, 2017 9:53pm
  - Jack5
    
    If the Highlanders were still making whisky down in Southland’s Hokonui Hills that would be a good brand for them.
    
    NZ First.
    
    With a black and white polarised profile of Peters under the title.
    
    Then the slogan: Drink – or be rolled.
    
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    January 14, 2017 9:58pm
  - Jack5
    
    Or they could make a line for the Muslims who want a sip on the sly:
    
    Ramadan Juice – limited production
    
    Last the fast! Authentic halal water from Stephiestani shepherds in New Zealand.
    
    Six drops and you are already in Paradise. Why wait!
    
    (A tenth the price of Semtex and a belt, and you can sell the empty bottle.)
    
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    January 14, 2017 10:10pm
    - Scorpion
      
      Camels Urine Benefits According To Muslims
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqJYUsfsCZo
      
      Scientifically proven Sip it
      You will be drinking this instead of Speights soon
      enough
      
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      January 14, 2017 11:03pm
Jack5

Where is Griff this evening?

He started posting about sheep and bestiality.

Then he’s gone.

MMmmmm… 🙄
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January 14, 2017 10:27pm
- Griff
  
  Still here jacky.
  Still waiting for scorpy to explain his sheep arse fetish
  
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  January 14, 2017 10:34pm
  - GoVege
    
    Boys, boys…”bestiality” is no big deal.
    I read in no less than Encyclopedia Brittanica that it is believed approximately 50% of young males living on farms engage in this practice.
    (I prefer to call it inter-species intercourse.)
    There was no mention of the boys killing their paramour afterwards, unlike Muslims…just another reason why I don’t like Islam.
    
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    January 14, 2017 10:54pm
  - Scorpion
    
    HITLER HOLOCAUST, HOLOCAUST HITLER
    
    It is all Adolph Hitlers Fault
    Forget the Sheep for a minute you will have to
    wait until jack is finished so you can have your turn
    
    Here study this
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Blome
    
    and this
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Blome#Use_of_insect_vectors_in_biological_warfare
    
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    January 14, 2017 10:59pm
    - Jack5
      
      Did you hear about the sheep-bestiality court case at Timaru?
      
      A Mrs X gave evidence at the court hearing that she saw a neighbour to the north of her farm drop his trousers when he was standing behind a sheep and made movements consistent with having intercourse.
      
      Mr Y, the neighbour on the south side, then gave evidence that he had seen a similar occurrence on another occasion. The sheep and the man’s state of undress left him in no doubt that the man was having sex with a sheep.
      
      A friend of mine who was at the hearing said there was a kerfuffle at the court when the defendant became angry when, after these neighbours gave evidence, his defence lawyer declined the opportunity to cross-examine them.
      
      The judge called for silence when the defendant became angry and distressed. The defence lawyer was heard saying to him: “Settle down! My specialty is jury selection. Just be patient.”
      
      Then a third prosecution witness was called.
      
      Mr Z, a fencer, said he was building a new boundary fence line against the man’s property when he saw the defendant, with his trousers around his ankles having sex with a sheep jammed against a gate.
      
      Pressed by the prosecution for details, the fencer said that after the act, the sheep turned and the defendant put his penis in the sheep’s mouth, and the sheep seemed to give the man oral sex.
      
      At this stage of the case, there was uproar. A jury member jumped to his feet and yelled:”Yes, some of the good ones will do that!”
      
      There is to be a retrial.
      
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      January 14, 2017 11:15pm
      - GoVege
        
        Hehe.
        I’m currently watching one of my favorite films, Year One, and the high priest just described a sacrificial goat as having a pulverized rectum, ” not uncommon for a goat in this region.”
        
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        January 15, 2017 12:10am
Lance

Having a laugh at the Greenpeace imbeciles on TV.
The NASTY oil exploration ship was deafening the poor dolphins with it’s seismic sensing.

Umm cetaceans echo locate at up to 180 dB
That’s 180 fucking deci-bells, the only reason it isn’t louder is that is the point sea water spontaneously turns to steam so that is the upper limit.

And a distant seismic pulse is deafening them?
Morons
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January 14, 2017 10:41pm
Jack5

Lance: The US Navy used trained dolphins in the Gulf wars.

It’s a pity they couldn’t be trained to locate sea-floor oil seeps (if there are such things).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dolphin
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January 14, 2017 11:02pm
- Lance
  
  I developed custom equipment for a whale researcher a few years back. Very interesting.
  
  He worked for the US Navy at one stage. He said if anybody was ever dumb enough to give a weapon to a dolphin they deserve to have it attached to the bottom of the own boat, which probably would happen.
  Bloody good at telling their trainers if divers are in water, that’s about it though.
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:24pm
rightoverlabour

Global Warming – Must read. Griff, don’t bother.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/01/dear-president-elect-trump/#more-291428
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January 14, 2017 11:15pm
- Griff
  
  Oh I read it
  You believe such stupidity.
  denial of the basic laws of physics
  How amusing you poor thing .
  
  Because the ice ages happened co2 is not going to make the planet warm
  Have you heard of greenhouse gasses?
  Do you know what Daltons law says .
  when the earth leaves an ice age a small amount of warming makes the oceans to out gas co2.
  This acts as a feedback amplifying the small change in temperature due to Milankovitch_cycles
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalton%27s_law
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas
  
  The big logic fallacy because we did not cuse prior change we can not cause change now
  non sequitur
  Because man has died of natural causes forever the fact I had a smoking gun and he had a bullet wound has no bearing your Honer
  That is how pathetic your piece of crap is .
  
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  January 14, 2017 11:47pm
Manolo

Some have high hopes::
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/314233-many-latinos-eager-for-trump-to-jump-start-economy
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