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Don the Kiwi

Had breakfast yet?

Coprophagia, anyone ? 😉
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December 9, 2016 8:06am
- mandk
  
  Nah, I generally avoid the political comment on Stuff and the Herald.
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:07am
- oldpark
  
  Isnt that a favourite pass time of the Lie-bour/Green Parties, especially the rounded ex Mcgully serious joke party dropout,now masquerading as a joint leader of the “greens”..
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:11am
  - kowtow
    
    Actually , in the context that ole Pointy hat Frank used the term , it is the favourite past time of the MSM. When you see how excited they get , with very few exceptions, about non news such as Key and pony tails, the Bish and earthquakes, anything to do with Colin Craig, anything to do with rugby players and rumpy pumpy , and the latest hysteria about “blood letting’ in the Notional caucus then they are truly the ones with an abnormal interest and pleasure in shit and defecation.
    
    By contrast Labour and the Greens are merely control freaks who want to take your earnings and give them to other people.
    
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    December 9, 2016 8:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I am tempted to attend the local RC church this Sunday, to find out how the faithful will be told of the Holy Father’s warning about false media sources….
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:58am
Manolo

No quarter given:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/08/us/politics/andrew-puzder-labor-secretary-trump.html

President-elect Donald J. Trump is expected to name Andrew F. Puzder, chief executive of the company that operates the fast food outlets Hardee’s and Carl’s Jr. and an outspoken critic of the worker protections enacted by the Obama administration, to be secretary of labor, people close to the transition said on Thursday.

Mr. Puzder has spent his career in the private sector and has opposed efforts to expand eligibility for overtime pay, while arguing that large minimum wage increases hurt small businesses and lead to job loss among low-skilled workers.
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December 9, 2016 8:17am
- PhilBest
  
  I loved his chosen appointment to the EPA too. Dick Morris’s newsletter just out, says:
  
  “…President-elect Donald Trump has chosen Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt to be the new head of the Environmental Protection Administration (EPA).
  
  This appointment is great. The best Trump has made. Pruitt will clean up this den of extremists and xenophobes if anybody can…”
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:30am
- itstricky
  
  No quarter given
  
  That’s a hilarious statement when you’ve seen it published that he’s possibly going to appoint a McMahon. Yes, those McMahons.
  
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  December 9, 2016 2:40pm
  - itstricky
    
    Andre The Giant to sort out national debt?
    
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    December 9, 2016 2:43pm
Random T Person

Anyone else enjoying Cam Slater’s anguish that Bill English is in ascendancy? For someone who believes himself the ultimate Machiavelli, it is hilarious to see him so dismissive of BE’s swift domination of the field. Smashing.
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December 9, 2016 8:17am
- markm
  
  Yes he’s going over the top a bit at the moment, unfortunately he’s got a chip on his shoulder that Key didn’t wreck Nationals chances (and ours as a country) by very publicly supporting him when Dotcom/Labour and Hagar stole his emails.
  Collins is obviously a highly capable individual , but the media will attack her constantly.
  English is avery steady pair of hands , much improved from 2002 and won’t scare the horses , in the short time prior to next election.
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:30am
  - Random T Person
    
    Gone full troppo. So funny, the tears of impotent rage are delicious, as Slater himself might say. See the obsequious Face of the Day post – more LOL, more often.
    
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    December 9, 2016 8:44am
  - PhilBest
    
    Yeah, I’ve always hoped since 2002, that English would ultimately be NZ’s John Howard. Howard had a similar reversal early in his career but ultimately Australians came round to trust him. And he set the agenda in Australia to such an extent that Rudd and Gillard could not undo much, like Key didn’t undo much of Clark’s agenda. Very different agendas, sadly (take mining and private school funding as two prominent examples).
    
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    December 9, 2016 9:33am
- dime
  
  ill cruise over and check it out. I ejoy a good WO tanty
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:46am
  - Random T Person
    
    It is a thing to behold.
    
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    December 9, 2016 8:55am
- howitis
  
  I’ve just ordered a pallet of irony for pre-Xmas drinks.
  
  I don’t care much for Boag but the bearer of the ‘dark arches’ is really stirring up the Slater like a Samsung washing machine.
  Like all good Samsung washing machines the next cycle will be a burst of flame followed by a blackened mess.
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:16am
- oldpark
  
  Never thought i would think or say this .”Cam Slater is the cry baby of the year”.
  
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  December 9, 2016 12:39pm
  - Random T Person
    
    Some of his commenters are going off the reservation, you can imagine how that’s going to upset the apple cart. I’m standing by with popcorn and coke.
    
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    December 9, 2016 1:52pm
Happychappy

Labour is going all out with the medias backing in saying that there is a lot of unrest from the National back bench this coming from a Party that has had a history of doing dirty’s on four of their own Leaders in eight years. Labour forget they are run by the union because of the inept way they decide leadership battles and only refresh with former union leaders and you only have to look at Andrew Little to reinforce the reason he was elected .Labours objective is to create a diversion from their own in fighting and cover up how inept they are.
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December 9, 2016 8:19am
- Colville
  
  Media is just making shit up.
  
  Must be a day ending in y.
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:23am
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    Yep, Barely Sober doubling down on his fantasy from earlier in the week”National all at sea.”
    Even his keyboard is shitfaced,occupational hazard I guess when that is all you interview.
    
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    December 9, 2016 8:37am
  - gorse
    
    Fake news
    
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    December 9, 2016 10:45am
Inandout

Paula said on PH that English wasn’t ‘droll’, but I am sure she meant ‘dour’. Ans she wants dep PM too.
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December 9, 2016 8:19am
Colville

Now that the Devil Incarnate has stepped down and Boring Bill has the Job, what will the Leftards blame their 23% polling results on?

They can only call ROGUE POLL every second time surely? 🙂
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December 9, 2016 8:19am
RF

Civil Defense are incompetent fools. Vague warnings on News Talk ZB about a tsunami. No actual details.

Stuff has it possibly arriving in around 3 to 4 hours and only about 30cm high. Those without the Internet are in the dark.

Bloody useless. Thought they might have learnt after the Kaikoura quake but no………..
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December 9, 2016 8:27am
- Griff
  
  Friday 9 December, 8:32 am – Tsunami Potential Threat Advisory for New Zealand has now been CANCELLED.
  http://info.geonet.org.nz/display/tsunami/2016/12/09/Solomon+Islands+Earthquake+9+Dec+2016
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:47am
  - RF
    
    I presume Civil Defense will let us all know sometime today.
    
    I guess it will be breaking news at 5pm
    
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    December 9, 2016 8:51am
  - Paulus
    
    Have been looking up Tsunami in New Zealand, and have difficulty in finding anything of substance.
    Two in 1947 in Gisborne but they were not anything by any world standards.
    Lots of wind from the experts though.
    
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    December 9, 2016 2:44pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  What exactly would you have Civil Defence do in the first couple of hours after an earthquake which might or might not deliver a tsunami to New Zealand?
  
  Bearing in mind that – as has been explained again, and again, and again, and again – these things are impossible even to measure, let alone to predict, in real-time. Even the most experienced and best equipped geological scientists don’t, and can’t, know, within the first few hours after the event, whether any given quake is going to lead to a tsunami. Therefore they cannot give, and therefore Civil Defence cannot be expected to have, precise information as to whether, when, how large, and which parts of NZ are likely be affected.
  
  So you don’t like it when they give “vague” information and “no actual details”. Of course that’s unsatisfactory, but they simply do not have the “actual details” and therefore do not have the option of giving precise information in useful time. Would you rather they gave no information, or that they made up spuriously precise information which is bound to be wrong?
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:05am
  - RF
    
    Basically if you don’t have internet you have to rely on Radio news that in my experience is crap. This morning Stuff provided reasonable coverage of the Tsunami that would have been reassuring to those living in coastal areas.
    
    As there are coastal areas where internet reception is poor I feel sorry for those folk in the front line who rely on what they hear on the radio. In this case diddly squat.
    
    It should be a level playing field as stuff was well ahead with important updates.
    
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    December 9, 2016 10:30am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Then your quarrel is with the radio news people, not with Civil Defence.
      
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      December 9, 2016 10:54am
      - RF
        
        Fair call but I still believe there is vast room for improvement at Civil Defence concerning their communication skills.
        
        I am sure Gerry Brownlie agrees. As an aside Mike Hosking and I are on the same page.
        
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        December 9, 2016 1:57pm
Padriv Ustoev

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/87353448/booty-for-sale–wellington-woman-auctions-buttock-on-trade-me-for-winners-tattoo

Classy New Zealand. -If she charges by the square meter she could get quite a lot of cash I suppose.
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December 9, 2016 8:28am
- holysheet
  
  Beat this for size
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-38238478
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:08am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Is that taken from Turei’s facebook page?
    
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    December 9, 2016 9:17am
DifferentPerspective

The Civilian nails why English is a mistake

We’re going to hear a lot of this about 20.9% tossed in Bill’s face all next year – the whole country is going to be reminded all next year about this by Labour/Greens.

As Paul Keating so cleverly put it – “A souffle doesn’t rise twice”.

The next op poll will tell whether Kiwibloggers are right or whether I am. I say English will drag Nats down to 45% by the end of Jan and 43% by election time. The National caucus turkeys just voted for Xmas.
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December 9, 2016 8:28am
- Random T Person
  
  I’d hazard a guess that BE has built a ton of political capital through his proven capability in Finance.
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:41am
  - James Stephenson
    
    I like the Brian Edwards quote that Whale has : “Think of Bill as a rivet: solid, reliable, holding things together, grey-coloured.”
    
    I don’t think much has changed, this election was always likely to be Lab/Green/NZ1 or Nat/NZ1 and I guess Bill is the least likely to spook soft Nat voters across to Labour, or at least that’s the calculation that the caucus have made.
    
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    December 9, 2016 8:49am
    - Pateke
      
      Who on earth is Brian Edwards?
      
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      December 9, 2016 9:04am
      - James Stephenson
        
        The bloke who failed to teach Helen Clark to stop talking like a man.
        
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        December 9, 2016 9:08am
      - Ole Bill Mole
        
        what a childish comment
        
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        December 9, 2016 9:58am
      - GoVege
        
        I just figured out why Helen risked her vocal cords adopting such a deep voice.
        It was to keep all those squabbling egos in Labour in line.
        If only they could stop the in-fighting..they might achieve something.
        Like becoming the government!
        
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        December 9, 2016 2:05pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Is that a jeopardy question? What is the answer?
        
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        December 9, 2016 2:19pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Richie was a great openside – he’d have been ratshit as a first five. Horses for courses.
    
    He’s still the ultimate Wellington status quo candidate – the world has changed this year and yesterday’s man isn’t good enough for tomorrow’s world.
    
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    December 9, 2016 8:52am
- Igotta Numbum
  
  I hope they do focus on that all next year…. because while they do that, real NZ’ers will understand two things:
  
  1) No change in Nats policy and direction, so popular status quo on that front (it’s not all about Key that has National on 50%). This has already been signalled by Bill English.
  
  2) Lack of vision and policy by Labour. If they’re determined to continue to play personalities over substance, it will backfire.
  
  Kiwis will go to the ballot box knowing exactly who National are, what they stand for, and what they offer. Labour will have been so distracted, no one in their right mind will vote for an unknown quantity.
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:45am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    1) No change in Nats policy and direction, so popular status quo on that front (it’s not all about Key that has National on 50%). This has already been signalled by Bill English.
    
    And how did exactly that approach go for Hillary?
    
    Her policy platform was as light as Trump’s was obscured (by the MSM). In the end – US voters rejected the “no change from Obama’s crap” policy platform Hillary was peddling.
    
    National has moved so far Left (in Key’s crusade to extinguish Labour by assimilation) that the Centre is wide open. Winnie is going to get a Key dividend in 2017 because of this failure of strategy.
    
    The electorates views have drifted a few degrees to the Right and a ‘steady as she goes’ drift to the Left is irrational.
    
    National need to renew. And I don’t mean the pathetic crop of wetties brought in by Key (Chris Bishop excepted) – and I certainly don’t mean chardonnay socialists like Leggett.
    
    English has already shown he has no idea how to renew a party – he was woeful in 2002. Collins is the only one who has the chutzpah to do what’s needed and re-invigorate the tired old 3rd term party to save us from the crazies on the Left.
    
    The electorate is bored of National. It’s only that Labour are so cataclysmically bad at the moment that they can survive. Giving them ‘the same old same old’ is not going to excite the electorate. They need to see the vision for the 2020s not a return to the 2000s.
    
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    December 9, 2016 9:12am
- mandk
  
  “The National caucus turkeys just voted for Xmas.”
  
  Are you saying that Collins or Coleman (or anyone else for that matter) would have greater trust and appeal amongst the electorate at large?
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:49am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    See above – the world changed this year.
    
    Cuckservative, virtue-signalling Labour-light politics is so 2015. NZ National is not insulated from needing to respond to these changes.
    
    We are seeing all the same societal indicators here that played out in the UK and the US:
    – trust in the liberal MSM at an all time low
    – greater concern about immigration (ie Winnie’s rising in the polls)
    – rejection of the fallacies of globalisation (TPP opposition)
    – cherishing of traditional national values (the flag referendum)
    – rejection of identity politics and PC BS (WOBH has the highest blog site traffic by a mile)
    – political classes increasingly out of touch (DPF’s Trump Derangement Syndrome is a perfect example)
    
    So yes – Collins was the ‘adjustment towards the centre’ candidate that would have shown National was more attuned to the shifts we’ve been watching and chuckling about all year in world politics.
    
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    December 9, 2016 9:01am
    - Random T Person
      
      Gosh that neologism is hideous. Cuckservative. Forced me to visit urban dictionary and roll my eyes.
      
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      December 9, 2016 9:06am
    - UpandComer
      
      Labelling Bill English of all people, who has spent years trying to get the fucking public service to move it’s arse at ocean liner pace precisely AWAY from ‘virtue signalling’ a virtue signaller is probably the stupidest and most ridiculous analysis I’ve read on him.
      
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      December 9, 2016 2:16pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  You do realise The Civilian is a satirical site eh DP?
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:55am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Lol – do you know what ‘satire’ means…..
    
    “the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.”
    
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    December 9, 2016 9:18am
- PhilBest
  
  John Howard had a big setback early in his career too. Here’s to Bill being NZ’s Howard. EDIT: Howard even titled his autobiography, “Lazarus Rising”.
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:36am
Simon

Clinton’s day on the brink
On the race’s final day, the Democratic nominee’s team is projecting confidence

Some Clinton operatives were feeling confident enough on Monday to casually debate among themselves whether or not Trump was likely to make the traditional concession phone call to Clinton on Tuesday night. (They were split.)

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-last-day-campaign-230909

Prez Trump because fuck you
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December 9, 2016 8:29am
G152

Great watching the left move those deckchairs about.
They have shown how democratic they are by the ‘election’ of the angry little man.
And they’re criticsing the National Party, trying to claim rifts amongst the back benchers who are about to DEMOCRATICALLY elect a deputy PM… ????
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December 9, 2016 8:37am
mikenmild

Happy 100th birthday to Kirk Douglas. Amazed that he’s still alive, actually.
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December 9, 2016 8:39am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Ok 2016 has been a truly weird year – that’s twice I’ve agreed and upticked you mike!
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:19am
LisaGinNZ

On the Trump front, he needs to only follow existing law to get the border wall(s) finished.

“As in other areas of immigration enforcement, Trump will be able to effect radical change simply by following the law. In this case, it is the Secure Fence Act, passed in 2006 with bipartisan support — 283 votes in the House and 80 in the Senate, including then-Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

The law ordered the Secretary of Homeland Security, within 18 months of passage, to “take all actions the secretary determines necessary and appropriate to achieve and maintain operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States.”

#SoMuchWinning
#LOL
#GoTrump
#GrownUpsInCharge
#HesNotEvenInTheJob
#DoingItBetterThanObamaALREADY

from TGP http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/sorry-libs-law-already-says-trump-can-build-great-border-wall/
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December 9, 2016 8:44am
- PhilBest
  
  Ann Coulter’s take:
  
  “…Nearly every promise Trump made on immigration is 100 percent within the power of the president. For example:
  
  It is already the president’s job, as commander in chief, to protect the borders.
  
  It is already the Department of Defense’s job to build border walls.
  
  It’s already the law that citizenship is not acquired by being born on U.S. soil to an illegal alien. (No Congress has ever passed such a law, nor has the Supreme Court ruled that they are.)
  
  It is already the secretary of state’s duty to rescind visas from countries that refuse to take their criminals back.
  
  It is already the president’s job to prohibit the entry of any class of immigrants he deems “detrimental to the interests of the United States.”
  
  It is already the president’s job to remove immigrants who commit crimes, entered our country through fraud (i.e., every single refugee), are in the country illegally or who become public charges…”
  
  http://humanevents.com/2016/12/07/how-the-establishment-will-try-to-destroy-trump/?utm
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:40am
  - holysheet
    
    With all these laws already in place, it only required a president with balls to enforce them. Obumma was a weak limp fisted fucker, and Killary would have been much worse.
    Watch the snowflakes on here and in the US protest Trumps upcoming actions. get over it, we won you lost. Suck it up.
    
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    December 9, 2016 10:16am
    - PhilBest
      
      Do read Ann Coulter’s entire column, she makes that point very well. She also makes the point that this is the one issue where Trump will have the most opposition including from the Republicans in Congress. But it is an issue where he actually does not need their support, all he needs to do is stick to his guns.
      
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      December 9, 2016 1:35pm
Happychappy

I actually think it would be good for Simon Bridge’s to become Deputy Leader because it will ramp up the animosity that Winston Peter’s will have for him and show NZ’s how vindictive the man is. Winston will be pissed that another National MP will have the chance to bury his ambition to be Prime Minister and become the first Maori to obtain the prized job.
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December 9, 2016 8:54am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Happychappy, wouldn’t Winston become even more wound up if a Maori WOMAN got into that position?
  (Paula).
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:00am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well it looks like my wish is about to come true not realizing Paula Bennett was Maori.
    
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    December 9, 2016 9:20am
- Griff
  
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/politics/parliaments-people/maori-mps
  Carroll’s central place in the Liberal party in the 20th century was recognised when he became acting prime minister in 1909 and 1911. He was the first Māori to hold that position.
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:00am
- Keeping Stock
  
  The same can be said about Paula Bennett though Happychappy. She is of Tainui descent on her mother’s side.
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:03am
  - Happychappy
    
    All the better know wonder he is mumbling and not reading his script properly in Parliament he is trembling with fear of his legacy drifting away.
    
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    December 9, 2016 9:25am
- Inandout
  
  Winston is too lazy to be PM, and I doubt he ever really wanted the job at any stage of his political career. Bridge’s diction sounds mangled to me and not easy on the listener. Paula needs another 5 years to brush up on her vocabulary, which often exposes her humble beginnings. Old Bill has a problem picking a deputy who won’t stab him in the back with their hunger for his position.
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:08am
  - Paulus
    
    Winston might do better if he took more water with his lunch whisky before going into Parliament and making a spectacle of himself by having to hold himself up on his desk and being incoherent.
    Made a good laugh though – most MP’s enjoyed the spectacle too.
    
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    December 9, 2016 2:49pm
Keeping Stock

Ironic moment of the morning – Annette King berating the National Party front bench for hanging on too long at the expense of the back bench.

You couldn’t make that shit up!
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December 9, 2016 8:59am
- Inandout
  
  Annette is Little’s replacement in waiting and Machiavellian to boot.
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:15am
Manolo

Maybe Full Moon King is already planning to make way for his virile godson Ginga Hughes.
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December 9, 2016 9:08am
Manolo

CNBC on Trumponomics:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/06/trumps-air-force-one-tweet-was-a-brilliant-move-commentary.html
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December 9, 2016 9:10am
B.L.Zeebub

Finally got a chance to watch Gareth Morgan and Paul Henry.
So,has Morgan found the holy grail of how to tax a country into prosperity or, as I suspect, drag us all down to the communist nirvana of equal misery for all and himself as Beloved Leader, meth for breakfast anyone?
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December 9, 2016 9:16am
- howitis
  
  Arise Kim Jong-Gareth.
  Leader of Glorious State of Gareth’s Democratic Republik of North Korzealand
  
  Air will be taxed and you can receive your daily ration of grass at 6.00am followed by a hymn to Pol Pot.
  
  On glorious Leader’s birthday (17 February) you will receive one lamb chop followed by a hymn to Mao Zedong.
  
  All cars will be the Fiat Bambina- made in glorious cooperative factory in Pyongyang.
  
  All hail the anointed leader..or you will be guillotined and your body parts sold to rich Yankees for hard currency.
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:54am
AgentBallSack

Jesus, that guy with a hard on for Judith sure is a sad little fuck. And the commentators egging him on aren’t much better.
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December 9, 2016 9:21am
- Happychappy
  
  For a guy that likes to tell the left rightly so about their hate for John Key he has allowed himself to be consumed by the same symptoms through his own stupidity.
  
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  December 9, 2016 10:32am
- howitis
  
  I have just been to the whale boys site. I see the latest paid-for ‘Incite’ magazine is out.
  
  What value is a ‘brilliant insight’ to politics from a ranting unemployed man-child who is completely sidelined and crying tears of impotent rage while a transition occurs to a new Prime Minister not of HIS choosing
  ….and made as a smooth transition to a successor unlike his criticism – justified- that Klark left her party in the lurch.
  
  His political currency must be somewhere around the value of the Euro at the moment.
  Not quite as bad as a 1922 German Mark but still……
  
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  December 9, 2016 4:35pm
Stars And Stripes

Pacific students encouraged to go for STEM scholarships
http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/319992/pacific-students-encouraged-to-go-for-stem-scholarships

http://www.mpp.govt.nz/young-people/toloa/scholarships/

So more racist policies favouring Pacific Islanders over the rest of New Zealanders in education.
Policies favouring Māori are always couched in terms of the Treaty of Waitangi so what’s the justification for Islanders then as they are immigrants not natives.
You import a whole group of people who are inadequate and can’t compete with everyone else so to try and rectify this you introduce quotas and race based scholarships favouring them over others.
Shameful.
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December 9, 2016 9:26am
- holysheet
  
  Just wait until the recent immigrants from the shitholes in the middle east, get of an age when they have enough to start demanding THEY get the same treatment. The diversity dividend in work will know no bounds.
  
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  December 9, 2016 10:25am
- GoVege
  
  Surely encouraging education for young people from poorer families is a GOOD thing S&S?
  And Polynesians are NOT “inadequate”!
  A young Samoan person I know just attained the highest mark for mathematics in the entire history of his school.
  Maybe it’s just a bit scary for some people here that brown people might start running this place.
  Don’t be scared…most of them are way nicer than many Pakeha.
  
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  December 9, 2016 1:51pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    I think encouraging education amongst everyone is a good thing GoVege but I will never support race based scholarships or entry quotas doubly for Islanders because they as semi recent immigrants have no claim to special treatment in this country hence why I call them inadequate.
    If they are not then fine stand on your own two feet and prove yourself like everyone else has too.
    
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    December 9, 2016 2:06pm
    - GoVege
      
      If they weren’t paid such “inadequate” wages for keeping this country running, they wouldn’t need any extra help.
      
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      December 9, 2016 2:15pm
Griff

Greens new drug policy
http://d3nd7i493f0o21.cloudfront.net/assets/greendrug.pdf
Cannabis-specic initiatives
It is clear that while there are potential risks to health associated with cannabis use,
these are relatively low compared with other drugs. The currently legal drugs alcohol
and tobacco carry much greater risks. We believe the regulatory approach to cannabis
should be similar to that regulating alcohol supply in some respects, but could be
considerably improved in others.
A.
Cannabis for personal use
1.
The Green Party will make cannabis
legal for personal
use:
a.
Possession and personal use of cannabis and/or cannabis products will no
longer be illegal;
b.
Cultivation for personal use will no longer be illegal;
c.
New Zealand can assess the evidence from overseas jurisdictions with
legal cannabis markets to determine the best model for New Zealand;
d.
A legal age limit for personal cannabis use will be introduced;
e.
The current law around driving under the inCuence of cannabis will be
replaced with one that is based on cannabinoid levels that correlates with
impairment;
f.
Education will be provided on the harmful e1ects of heavy and prolonged
usage, and the risks to mental and emotional wellbeing from cannabis
use for certain individuals.
g.
Cannabis would be specically included in the provisions of the
16-Nov-2016 Ratied Drug Law Reform Policy
2
Smokefree Environments Act.
B. Medical cannabis
Pharmaceuticals which use active ingredients from the cannabis plant are being
researched around the world, and we can expect that some of them will eventually
qualify for licensing as medications in new Zealand. People with a terminal illness,
or
chronic or debilitating
condition
may wish to experiment with use of cannabis products
to relieve their symptoms before a relevant cannabis-based pharmaceutical has
reached the stage of being licensed for use.
While awaiting broader law change for cannabis, the Green Party will:
1.
Remove penalties for any person with a terminal illness, or chronic or
debilitating condition to cultivate, possess or use cannabis and/or cannabis
products for therapeutic purposes, provided they have the support of a
registered medical practitioner.
This exemption would also apply to any
immediate relative or other nominated person for a person with such a
diagnosis, for the sole purpose in terms of administering or supplying cannabis
or its related products to the person.
2.
Accelerate the process by which medical cannabis products are licensed for use
by directing MedSafe to consider the establishment of category-based classes
for common compositions of medical cannabis products. This would expedite
accreditation for cannabis-based medicines whose chemical compositions are
commonly recurrent, and streamline the approval process for medicines seeking
to apply for PHARMAC funding.
3.
Encourage MedSafe to carry out extensive ongoing monitoring of any new and
approved cannabis-based medicines to ensure that they meet acceptable
standards of safety, quality and e@cacy; and that medical practitioners have
reliable information about the selection and safe use of these products when
prescribing them.
4.
Lower barriers for manufacturers to submit new cannabis products for funding
applications to PHARMAC so that evidence can be quickly gathered for the
e@cacy of particular cannabis-based medicine classes, and manufacturers of
cannabis-based medicines have timely and high-quality advice regarding what
is sought and what is working
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December 9, 2016 9:27am
- mandk
  
  Unless you want to argue that replacing harmful substances with a supposedly less harmful substance should be encouraged, the policy is stupid. Why just add to the menu of harmful substances?
  
  And nor does cannabis have potential risks to health. It has actual risks to health.
  
  Moreover, focusing solely on the health risks is dangerous. NZ has whole regions and communities blighted socially and economically by cannabis use.
  
  But I have no objection to medicinal cannabis, provided it is subject to the same regulations as any other pharmaceutical.
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:43am
  - ross411
    
    It has actual risks to health.
    
    To everyone who takes it, or to a few? And name one solid one?
    
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    December 9, 2016 9:53am
    - mandk
      
      “To everyone who takes it, or to a few? ”
      You could also argue this about alcohol and (to a lesser extent) tobacco.
      
      “And name one solid one?”
      Here you go:
      https://www.drugfoundation.org.nz/cannabis/health-effects
      
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      December 9, 2016 10:13am
  - Griff
    
    Why just add to the menu of harmful substances?
    Because prohibition doesn’t solve the problem of drug use. legalizing pot will not add any extra drug it would only legitimize what is already here.
    Prohibition creates even more social disruption than the drug use alone would .
    450 million a year is wasted on trying to enforce a law that the majority of NZ’s find pointless and many ignore .
    It would be far better if that money was redirected into law enforcement that protects society from harm from criminals rather than trying to protect people from them self’s . Problematic Drug use is a heath issue not one for justice .
    
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    December 9, 2016 9:57am
- ross411
  
  The cost is too high. You get all the other bullshit from the Greens likely ranked higher on the pile.
  
  Let’s say that Labour gets in, heaven forbid. They need to make an agreement with the Greens over what they will and will not do for the Greens. The other bullshit will get in, and this will be tossed as quickly as possible.
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:51am
Manolo

A political gangster few will miss:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/08/remembering-reid-senates-political-punch-thrower-says-farewell-leaves-trail-gaffes.html

Outgoing Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid delivered his farewell address Thursday after more than three decades in Congress – leaving in his wake a trail of gaffes and gloves-off political punches.
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December 9, 2016 9:36am
Morrissey

Bill English, without a hint of irony, praises
John Key’s “relentless optimism and positivity”
RNZ National, Friday 9 December 2016, 7:16 a.m.

His colleague Dr Jonathan Coleman is infamous for blowing smoke in the face of women, but this morning Bill English blew smoke in the face of Guyon Espiner. Incredibly, Espiner didn’t seem to even register what had happened. The incident came near the end of a fawning six and a half minute “honeymoon” interview….

GUYON ESPINER: What’s the main thing you’ve learned from John Key?

BILL ENGLISH: [pause] Ohhhh look, just the relentless optimism and positivity, and the way that that UPLIFTS people, the way that it gives them ROOM to express their own confidence in the future, ahhhh, and I think that’s had an impact on the way New Zealanders think, we’re a more positive, self-assured country, and, ahhh, that’s BACKED UP by theeee, by the strength of the economy, by the relative position compared to other countries, and we want to maintain that.

GUYON ESPINER: [pause] All right. Thank you very much for joining us this morning, appreciate your time. That is, well, the PRESUMPTIVE prime minister, are we calling him Jane?

SUSIE FERGUSON: I suppose we WOULD call him something like that, wouldn’t we Guyon!

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201827042/will-bill-english-call-an-early-election
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December 9, 2016 9:36am
- Happychappy
  
  Have RNZ employed The Standard trolls to post their out of balance interviews.
  
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  December 9, 2016 10:40am
  - Morrissey
    
    Look at the post carefully, my friend: my main criticism is of RNZ’s Guyon Espiner, who let Bill English ride roughshod over him with that patently ridiculous line about Key’s “relentless optimism and positivity”.
    
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    December 9, 2016 11:33am
Stars And Stripes

Iwi powerhouses: $6 billion asset base growing
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11763586.

Wonder how well the rest of New Zealand companies and individuals would do if we didn’t have to pay tax like all these iwi.
System is rotten in my opinion.
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December 9, 2016 9:50am
- Morrissey
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Iwi have been compensated a tiny fraction of a per centage of what they are entitled to. Can I suggest you do some reading of some of the Waitangi Tribunal reports before you presume to comment on these matters again?
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:57am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Yes sorry Morrissey I really should have asked your permission first.
    
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    December 9, 2016 10:08am
    - Morrissey
      
      You’re free to do as you like, my friend. I would have thought that you would like to be fully informed on a subject before engaging in discussion about it, however.
      
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      December 9, 2016 10:14am
  - Inandout
    
    What part of conqueror do you not understand Morris?
    
    conqueror
    ˈkɒŋk(ə)rə(r)/Submit
    noun
    a person who conquers a place or people; a vanquisher.
    “a people ruled over by a foreign conqueror”
    
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    December 9, 2016 10:53am
    - GoVege
      
      Well seeing as Maori themselves used the concept of winning by conquest to justify why they owed Moriori nothing, I can’t see why Pakeha keep shelling out (to Maori elites.)
      They must think the Pakeha are such mugs.
      
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      December 9, 2016 7:12pm
  - PhilBest
    
    I personally wish a government would have just paid a lump sum to every Maori alive, in full and final settlement. The chosen route to “compensation” is doing nothing for “Maori” other than a small coterie of well-placed ones. And the worst aspect, is the creation of an endless right of veto and extortion over the entire real economy’s resources. To the dis-benefit of the great majority of Maori as well as Pakeha, BTW.
    
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    December 9, 2016 1:41pm
    - GoVege
      
      What a brilliant idea that would have been, Phil!
      Or thousands of scholarships for young Maori to improve their life chances.
      
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      December 9, 2016 3:39pm
  - kowtow
    
    “Iwi have been compensated a tiny fraction of a per centage of what they are entitled to”
    
    Again and again and again. And for Ngai Tahu in perpetuity.with their very generous top up clause. “entitled” indeed.
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/complaint-industry-still-rambles
    
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    December 9, 2016 1:57pm
    - GoVege
      
      I think it’s called “Indian-giving”…
      
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      December 9, 2016 6:01pm
- ross411
  
  Not quite apartheid, but in the spirit of it.
  
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  December 9, 2016 10:07am
  - Morrissey
    
    A totally ignorant comment. You have no idea of what you’re writing about.
    
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    December 9, 2016 10:12am
    - Komata
      
      And you do? Please explain , as I wouldn’t have picked you for a Jaapie. Thanks.
      
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      December 9, 2016 10:57am
      - mikenmild
        
        Exactly right. Apartheid is a South African concept, so has no relevance to iwi assets.
        
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        December 9, 2016 11:05am
    - GoVege
      
      Morrissey : Maori definitely deserve to be compensated for such thefts as taking Maori land for public use, and not handing it back when it was no longer needed.
      But many of these compo cases involve land that was only in the hands of those compensated because they had stolen it off the previous owners.
      (And often slaughtered the people they evicted.)
      
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      December 9, 2016 7:18pm
Manolo

Our Griff is a bit dazed, but elated:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4012096/DiCaprio-meets-Trump-green-jobs-boost-economy.html

Leonardo DiCaprio made a secretive visit to Trump Tower to meet with the President-elect and his daughter Ivanka to discuss how green jobs can boost the economy.
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December 9, 2016 9:59am
Stars And Stripes

Bacon scattered on Sydney hospital’s Muslim prayer mats
http://www.newshub.co.nz/world/bacon-scattered-on-sydney-hospitals-muslim-prayer-mats-2016120821.
“A Bankstown-Lidcombe hospital staff member made the discovery inside a public Muslim prayer room this afternoon.”

More importantly why does a public hospital in Australia have a separate Muslim prayer room?
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December 9, 2016 10:05am
- Rich Prick
  
  Moreover, why does Newshub think the thoughtful and kind delivery of a food parcel in Sydney is newsworthy in New Zealand?
  
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  December 9, 2016 10:25am
  - Morrissey
    
    Yeah, it’s great fun attacking Jews and Muslims by throwing pork at them! What a laugh!
    
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    December 9, 2016 10:32am
    - Rich Prick
      
      What’s laughable is that Newshub thinks a dropped bacon butty in Sydney is somehow news. Do watch the hyperbole though, no one lost an eye.
      
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      December 9, 2016 10:36am
    - Inandout
      
      But only Muslims kill you in return, Morris.
      
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      December 9, 2016 10:56am
      - stephieboy
        
        Inandout , which of our 50,000 Muslims?
        
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        December 9, 2016 11:19am
      - PhilBest
        
        Stephieboy, who knew “which of the X thousand Muslims” before 9/11; 7/7; etc etc etc?
        
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        December 9, 2016 1:44pm
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Israeli police contemplated putting pork fat in buses to deter suicide bombers,haven`t heard of a bus attack for a while ,I`m guessing it is a tactic that works,whether they do it or not.
  
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  December 9, 2016 10:43am
  - PhilBest
    
    I recall some story about something like this working yonks ago – in Teddy Roosevelt’s era, or somewhere back that far – when the Yanks were in the Philippines and had some Muzzie terrorist issues to deal with.
    
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    December 9, 2016 1:46pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Actually, if you had ever read a single book on this subject, you would know that the people of the Philippines had some American terrorist issues to deal with.
      
      But, seeing you obviously don’t care for reading, how about you spend five minutes of your valuable time educating yourself to an elementary level at least? Watching the following might be a good idea for you…
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLWFF9ycmQs
      
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      December 9, 2016 4:06pm
- Komata
  
  Re: ‘…Why does a public hospital in Australia have a separate Muslim prayer room?’
  
  Because the muslims in the hospital have made such a fuss (and so many threats) that the H’board caved in and, not wishing to ‘offend’ them gave them their own special place. Many Hospitals have a non-denominational / interfaith ‘chapel’ for patients and visitors to use, BUT islam is so full of its own self-importance (aka ‘arrogance’) that these facilities are simply not good enough. ‘Special People’ have ‘special requirements’ which is why you see this situation occurring.
  
  Rest assured BTW, that this also happens in New Zealand, and not only in hospitals…
  
  PS: This post has received a message that it is ‘Awaiting moderation’. Considering I have been around the site for several years, this is is an unusual reaction. Any ideas what would have prompted the response?
  
  Thank you.
  
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  December 9, 2016 11:03am
  - Paulus
    
    Ever travelled in a aircraft from a Middle East country – they have a Muslim Prayer room with a moving wand pointing to Mecca for prayers correctly.
    
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    December 9, 2016 2:55pm
- Scott
  
  There is a debate at the moment about the use of hospital chapels and them being for all faiths. Personally I think they should be Christian chapels and be done with it.
  However if you have a number of Muslims do you have to provide them with some kind of private prayer room? Or do you let them use the chapel? It’s a difficult problem quite frankly. Not quite sure what the solution is?
  
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  December 9, 2016 11:09am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott, Auckland City Hospital shares their chapel / quiet room with a portion curtained off for Muslims .No problems nor complaints other than possibly Muslim bashing morons !
    
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    December 9, 2016 11:15am
    - Scott
      
      Well I am a Muslim bashing moron and I don’t want them praying in our Chapel. It’s as simple as that.
      Similarly you would be hard-pressed to find Muslims in their own countries sharing their mosque with Christians.
      There is a principle of reciprocity here. Over in Muslim countries they persecute Christians and suppress Christianity. While here in a Christian or at least Christian heritage country we are supposed to bend over backwards to accommodate Islam? It doesn’t seem right to me.
      
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      December 9, 2016 11:22am
      - Morrissey
        
        Idiot.
        
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        December 9, 2016 11:30am
      - stephieboy
        
        Scott , your free to make your objections known to the Auckland District Health Board and any others who adopt a similar practice .
        
        As the saying goes ,” when in Rome do as the Romans do ”
        
        A chapel/ quiet room is hardly a Church or a Mosque for that matter . It simply reflects the fact that we live in a more diverse ,pluralistic and secular democracy that includes, among many things ,a marked decline in religious observance .
        
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        December 9, 2016 11:31am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Yes, in some Muslim countries they persecute Christians and suppress Christianity. It’s reprehensible.
        
        What it is not, is a legitimate reason to persecute Muslims and suppress Islam in secular and “Christian” countries. Religious persecution and repression is reprehensible no matter who it’s done by and to.
        
        Now how is it “bending over backwards” to allow Muslims to pray in “our” chapel? What harm or inconvenience is done to “us”, what effort or sacrifice is required of “us”?
        
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        December 9, 2016 11:43am
      - Scott
        
        Sure Albert I will answer your question. As a matter of spiritual reality we don’t want Muslims or Buddhists for that matter praying in a Christian sanctified space. There is a spiritual battle going on and we don’t want those that are not of God praying in a Christian space. If you don’t acknowledge spiritual things you will not understand this.
        
        But those who take religion seriously this matters. Spiritual things matter, its not like a supermarket where the choice is between chocolate and strawberry. There is a spiritual battle between God and the Devil, between Angels and principalities, between the forces of good and the forces of darkness. So that’s why it matters.
        
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        December 9, 2016 11:51am
- stephieboy
  
  Auckland City Hospital has one which doesn’t raise a blink .
  
  Seems the typical work of infantile alt right pranksters.
  
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  December 9, 2016 11:11am
  - Scott
    
    2 problems with your replies stephieboy – the Muslims are in Rome and they certainly don’t do what Romans do. They just do what they do and expect us to accommodate them. Which is wrong, they should try and fit in with us, seeing as they are over here. But they don’t because they believe Islam is the final revelation of religion and in the name of Allah they should turn whatever country they are in into a Muslim country. Including New Zealand.
    
    Secondly chapels in hospitals historically were provided as ecumenical chapels for people of different denominations, but still Christian. Now the pressure is to make them inter-faith with other religions which causes problems. I certainly don’t want Muslims praying in the Hospital Chapel. That’s why some sort of quiet room in addition to a chapel might be a good option. The Muslims could use that.
    
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    December 9, 2016 11:39am
    - stephieboy
      
      Scott, is there any evidence that all Muslims here want to subvert our laws, customs and traditions ?.Many religions including Christian here believe they are the final revelation such as fundamentalist Christian like Gloriavale and Brian Tamaki’s Destiny Church etc
      
      Historically hospital chapels have served an ecumenical function. But this is today’s world of religious pluralism and the shared use of the chapel reflects that fact of life .
      
      Again you are free to let your objections be known to the Auckland District Health Board or any other for that matter.
      
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      December 9, 2016 11:51am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        .. is there any evidence that all Muslims here want to subvert our laws, customs and traditions ?.Many religions including Christian here believe they are the final revelation such as fundamentalist Christian like Gloriavale and Brian Tamaki’s Destiny Church etc”
        
        Stephieboy, you are displaying your ignorance and religious illiteracy – again.
        The purpose of Islam – all Muslims – is to subjugate the whole world under Islam – that is what Islam means- submission-, and is the aim of Islam as instructed in the Koran, by any means possible, including forced conversion and death – the evidence is there throughout the world, and throughout history.
        . Even though there are a few Christian extremists, as you suggest, the aim is not to subjugate using any means available.
        
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        December 9, 2016 12:18pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Don the Kiwi, again document how New Zealand’s 50,000 Muslims want to overthrow our established religious order .
        
        Document as well how the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims are doing so now other than say ISIS or other crazed Jihadists .
        
        CLOWN !
        
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        December 9, 2016 12:29pm
      - Scott
        
        No stephieboy there is absolutely no evidence that Muslims here would ever want to subvert our customs.
        
        Apart from the fact that that is what they do everywhere else, apart from the fact that their religion commands them because they believe that the Prophet Mohammed has given them the final word from God and apart from the fact that all around the world there are numerous terrorist incidents involving Muslims including the Bali bombing and the cafe in Sydney just the name two close to home.
        
        Actually I heard the other day that there are more mosques in France than there are churches. That’s what will happen in New Zealand if we don’t watch out. Many of you I know don’t have a lot of love the church but watch out if the mosque becomes the norm. Those of you of a freewheeling liberal disposition will experience a nasty shock. You may not have a great fondness for your parish priest but he is nothing compared to the imam coming after you.
        
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        December 9, 2016 1:43pm
    - kowtow
      
      Hahahaha
      
      When in Rome , make more demands.
      
      http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/23/muslims-stage-massive-protest-chanting-allahu-akbar-outside-romes-colosseum/
      
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      December 9, 2016 2:06pm
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    What do you mean no Complaints!!???
    
    Muslims should not have to share with anyone. We find the curtain very insulting and are still in negotiation for a separate prayer area.
    
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    December 9, 2016 12:38pm
    - stephieboy
      
      PU , then feel free to submit your objections to the ADHB or any others that allow a similar practice .
      
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      December 9, 2016 4:44pm
- mikenmild
  
  Why does any public hospital provide facilities for superstitious nonsense?
  
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  December 9, 2016 1:45pm
  - Scott
    
    Umm – because many people are not infidels. Hospitals recognise the need for spiritual care. Indeed our chaplain here in Masterton and chaplains all around New Zealand in hospitals have as part of their job description to sit with people who are dying and comfort them during that time. Sadly in this secular age many people are alone and die alone. But the church provides chaplains to comfort them and to show them that they are not alone and that God is with them.
    
    That’s why public hospitals provide facilities for this “spiritual nonsense” as you so charmingly put it.
    
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    December 9, 2016 2:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

John Glenn dies – 95 years old
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38257445
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December 9, 2016 10:06am
- tom hunter
  
  No more manned spaceflights were scheduled until the start of the Gemini program in 1965. By then the seven Mercury astronauts would begin to feel a change in the public attitude toward them and, for that matter, toward the Next Nine and the groups of astronauts that were to follow. The would feel the change, but they would not be able to put it into words. What was that feeling? Why, it was the gentle slither of the mantle of soldierly glory sliding off one’s shoulders! – and the cooling effect of oceans of tears drying up! The single-combat warriors’ war had been removed. They would continue to be honoured, and men would continue to be awed by their courage; but the day when an astronaut could parade up Broadway while traffic policeman wept in the intersections was no more. Never again would an astronaut be perceived as a protector of the people, risking his life to do battle in the heavens. Not even the first American to walk on the moon would ever know the outpouring of a people’s most primal emotions that Shepard, Copper, and above all, Glenn had known. The era of America’s first single-combat warriors had come, and it had gone, perhaps never to be relived.
  
  The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away. The mantle of Cold Warrior of the Heavens had been placed on their shoulders one April day in 1959 without their asking for it or having anything to do with it or even knowing it. And now it would be taken away, without their knowing that either, and because of nothing they ever did or desired. John Glenn had made up his mind to run for the Senate in Ohio in 1964. He could not have foreseen that the voters of Ohio would no longer regard him as a man with a protector’s aura. But at least he would be remembered. It would have been still more impossible for confreres to realize that the day might come when Americans would hear their names and say, ‘Oh yes – now, which one was he?
  
  Tom Wolfe, The Right Stuff
  
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  December 9, 2016 11:34am
  - stephieboy
    
    Wouldn’t argue with any of that . Also ,one who seemed to rise above his political mantle of Democrat Senator so revered he was by both houses and public at large
    
    With John Glenn “s six orbits the space race was all go ,
    
    http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1962/1101620302_400.jpg
    
    What a tremendous sense of satisfaction and pride he must of have felt with the Apollo moon landing 1969 and only seven years later .
    
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    December 9, 2016 12:10pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Tom Wolfe? Not a good idea to quote that pretentious blither merchant, my friend. He was always nothing more than a triumph of “style” over substance, but this year he has become a sad joke.
    
    https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder631/500x/22920631.jpg
    
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    December 10, 2016 11:03am
fernglas

Greg Lake dies at 69. As one-third of the prog-rock trio Emerson Lake and Palmer, Lake was a party to some of the most overblown and pretentious music ever to masquerade as rock. But at the time, it seemed quite cool. This follows Emerson’s death by self-inflicted gunshot earlier this year. Meanwhile, Jagger becomes a Dad at 73. As Dylan said, the times are definitely changing.
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December 9, 2016 10:27am
Manolo

Why wasn’t EAD asked for his almost infallible opinion?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/08/experts-name-their-best-stock-picks-for-2017.html

Leading investment managers took to the stage on Thursday afternoon to give their best stock picks for the year ahead at the 2016 Sohn London Investment Conference.
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December 9, 2016 11:02am
Manolo

Ruthless Russkies kill a few rats:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2356121/russian-special-forces-take-out-isis-terror-boss-with-the-help-of-machine-gun-toting-robot/

Footage shows troops close in on the secret compound sheltering Rustan Aselderov – known as Abu Muhammad – and four of his brutal henchmen at the weekend.
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December 9, 2016 11:20am
Captain Mainwaring

Something for the plods to ponder on as we head into the holidays.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/news/a31850/study-finds-that-strict-speed-enforcement-is-actually-a-danger/
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December 9, 2016 11:31am
Stars And Stripes

Waikato couple apply ‘buy one, give one’ model to business
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/86861967/waikato-couple-apply-buy-one-give-one-model-to-business
“”Every 12 months Little Givers will distribute the same number of baby wear that our customers have purchased and these will be given to children in need from Ecuador and New Zealand,”

If they are really into touchy feely stuff like this maybe they could expand their business and start selling deodorant also then for every one sold one could be donated to WINZ clients.
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December 9, 2016 11:32am
Fletch

Obama losing his mind. Says in a new speech that the military must be allowed to question the president, global warming is the cause of terrorism, and blames Bush for the rise of ISIS.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/07/obama-urges-soldiers-to-question-trumps-authority-criticize-our-president/

Oh, and he also said the other day that “Over the last 8 years, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully planned and executed an attack on our homeland” WTF?

As others have pointed out –

Fort Hood
Boston Marathon
Chattanooga
San Bernardino
Orlando
Ohio State

http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2016/12/06/sick-joke-does-obama-actually-believe-this-jaw-dropping-claim-about-his-potus-reign/
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December 9, 2016 11:35am
- Manolo
  
  Intelligent Americans can only feel contempt for the incompetent Mr Obama.
  
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  December 9, 2016 11:42am
  - Fletch
    
    I bet if any soldiers had questioned Obama’s authority, they’d be in lockup by now. Strange how it should be different when a Republican is in charge. Obama is actually encouraging sedition.
    
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    December 9, 2016 11:47am
    - holysheet
      
      What else did you expect from the head snowflake?
      
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      December 9, 2016 11:54am
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch, no they would have ended up like Gen Mac Arthur and be fired by his Commander in Cheif President Harry Truman .
      
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      December 9, 2016 12:13pm
      - Fletch
        
        Well, that too. As you point out, the President is the Commander-In-Chief. Having Obama encourage insubordination is just plain wrong.
        
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        December 9, 2016 1:55pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Could you point to what Obama said, exactly, that encourages insubordination?
        
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        December 9, 2016 2:06pm
  - fernglas
    
    Trump seems to value his counsel.
    
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    December 9, 2016 12:07pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Hopefully , that is not the case when he weighs up the counsel of “Mad dog” Mattis and Micahel Flynn with the Nuclear option for sorting out the Middle East .
      
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      December 9, 2016 12:17pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        only 30 downticks………
        
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        December 9, 2016 12:44pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo , which” intelligent ” Americans ?
    
    http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/QUARTZ-ALT-RIGHT.png
    
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    December 9, 2016 12:33pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      only 30 downticks………..
      
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      December 9, 2016 12:44pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Don the Kiwi , honoured to have such by 30 moronic alt righters !
        
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        December 9, 2016 4:46pm
- kowtow
  
  When the lying media and others point to Obummers legacy , remember he used ISIS to remove the government in Baghdad.
  He allowed Isis to get to the gates of the capital as part of his foreign policy.
  
  “In recent days, many liberals have rushed to Obama’s defense simply because they are so galled to hear people like Dick Cheney and Bill Kristol lecturing anyone on Iraq. That’s a mistake. While far less egregious than George W. Bush’s errors, Obama’s have been egregious enough. By ignoring Iraq, and refusing to defend democratic principles there, he has helped spawn the disaster we see today.
  
  It’s time people who aren’t Republican operatives began saying so.”
  
  http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/obamas-disastrous-iraq-policy-an-autopsy/373225/
  
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  December 9, 2016 2:37pm
Manolo

Crooked Hillary, queen of lies and deception, has the cheek to talk about “fake news”.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/08/hillary-portrays-fake-news-as-danger-to-the-public-urges-government-action/

Twice-failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton turned a retirement party held for Democratic Senator Harry Reid on Tuesday into a lecture about the dangers posed by an “epidemic of malicious fake news and propaganda.”
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December 9, 2016 12:17pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Fake news? You mean like Trump has no path to 270?
  
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  December 9, 2016 1:40pm
- RF
  
  Slut
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:47pm
stephieboy

Manolo , fake news like your loony Fox and Infor wars Obama conspiracy theories ?
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December 9, 2016 12:19pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  only 30 downticks……… 🙂
  
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  December 9, 2016 12:45pm
  - mikenmild
    
    29 more to make Don’s comment disappear…
    
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    December 9, 2016 12:49pm
    - Gabby
      
      A kiwiblog thread needs its donkey wee.
      
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      December 9, 2016 1:09pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        And also our infants like the Gabster.
        Time to get mummy to change your nappie and go for your afternoon nigh-nighs Gabby bubba. (isn’t he/she sweet?) 🙂
        
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        December 9, 2016 1:43pm
  - stigie
    
    Don says only 30 downticks ya hear !~
    
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    December 9, 2016 2:17pm
    - stephieboy
      
      As I suggested 30 down tickets with early onset dementia !
      
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      December 9, 2016 4:47pm
Notsofast

Quinton Winders is sentenced to 17 years for what looks exactly like a gang execution of the wrong man.
Kings College old boys might have an idea on this one. Any of you also trying to frame a gang?

The key here is defence attorney. He should know if client is guilty. His father always knew Arthur Thomas was innocent as I understand it.

I suspect Winders is innocent and we have another north fuck on our hands.
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December 9, 2016 12:40pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Next thing you’ll be saying Clayton Weatherstone was innocent.
  Get off your bloody bandwagon.
  
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  December 9, 2016 2:01pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Why do you think I would say that? I say I don’t know yet with this Winders guy, but the family are forthright. They may be wrong, but it is very unusual to make such a strong statement immediately if there is obvious guilt. You should stick to subjects that interest you rather than engage in serial abuse of people who are looking for facts in these cases..
    
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    December 9, 2016 2:15pm
    - fernglas
      
      What does this mean, NSF?
      “The key here is defence attorney. He should know if client is guilty. His father always knew Arthur Thomas was innocent as I understand it.”
      
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      December 9, 2016 2:39pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Johnathan Temm is the son of Paul Temm. Paul Temm defended Arthur Thomas, and stated categorically to people at the time, that Thomas was innocent. His wife Shirley made that known to people she knew well.
        
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        December 9, 2016 3:01pm
      - B.L.Zeebub
        
        Breaking news,Defence Attorney claims his client is innocent.
        Ok,so this time he was quite correct AAT was indeed innocent.
        Tho` how that extrapolates out that every client ,past ,present,and future ,of Temms and son is innocent is just a little vague.
        But Winders mummy also sez he didn`t do it so that`s enough for NSF to cry Welease Qwinton.
        
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        December 9, 2016 3:13pm
    - Notsofast
      
      The defence attorney of an innocent man knows. I didn’t say I know.
      
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      December 9, 2016 3:22pm
      - fernglas
        
        I don’t agree. Most lawyers with Temm’s experience may have a view on whether or not their client should have been found guilty, but precious few would ever claim to know whether they are guilty or not. The reality is that the only person who actually knows is the client and most of the time, they aren’t telling.
        
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        December 9, 2016 5:10pm
      - Notsofast
        
        fernglas:
        Greg King knew Ewan MacDonald was innocent.
        David Hislop , Ross Burns and Julie Kincaide know Mark Lundy is innocent and they all stated so after the trial. Kincaide continues to fight aggressively.
        Michael Reed assuredly knew David Bain was innocent and the wretched Michael Guest was fooled by the cops in the first trial.
        This Winders case will become interesting if Paul Temm states Winder is innocent, he is appealing.
        There are two solid positions emerging, I don’t claim to know of course, it takes a bit of work to figure it, but what the cops say is largely irrelevant, ask Thomas, Tamihere, Pora, Bain, Lundy and MacDonald.
        
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        December 9, 2016 6:25pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Notsofast , Bain, Lundy, Mc Donald etc suggests a serial killer is still at large ?
        
        The jury found Bain Guilty in the first trial , not the police . He gave evidence and the Jury did not believe him. The second trial he did not give evidence .
        
        Michael Reed , Joe Karam and you go and figure !
        
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        December 9, 2016 6:36pm
      - Notsofast
        
        stephieboy, the killers of Christine and Amber Lundy and Scott Guy are at large or jailed for other crimes. A lot is known of their identities but the police are cowering. I will tell Collins what I know if she ever settles down and behaves responsibly. Robin Bain is dead, Huia George Foley is dead and so is Len Demmler. Malcolm Rewa is in jail. There are your killers, of that I am sure.
        
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        December 9, 2016 7:39pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        @fernglas. I am sure Pora’s lawyer knew he was not guilty. The same could be said for Peter Ellis.
        
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        December 9, 2016 8:12pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      If TVNZ reported the judge correctly I wonder if the judge thinks before he speaks. The reporter quoted the judge as saying there is no evidence that Winders had a personality disorder.
      
      How can someone commit a callous murder like Winders and not have a personality disorder.
      
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      December 9, 2016 8:17pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Apparently the judgement is strong in implicating Winders. I think this case is intriguing, nothing fits. As a plan it is an Egrade fail, noone thinks he can do this crime undetected. But a young gang member has a far better chance than a loner from Kings College. That is the way of things. Gang members are accustomed to melting away, look at Scott Guy’s successful killers.
        
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        December 9, 2016 11:37pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Speaking of Clayton Weatherston….
    
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/nz.general/jNA3qqcb4SU
    
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    December 9, 2016 8:39pm
Chuck Bird

Here is something for Joe Karam if he needs a new mission.

Quinton Winders’ family reaction to his sentence of 17 years non parole.
11:01 AM Friday Dec 9, 2016

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/video/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503430&gal_cid=1503430&gallery_id=169073
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December 9, 2016 12:41pm
Manolo

The terrible Mamma Merkel doubles down on lone wolves:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4012890/Angela-Merkel-dismisses-rape-murder-EU-official-s-daughter-isolated-incident-insists-Germany-s-migrant-influx-not-led-surge-violent-crime.html

Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel has insisted a record influx of refugees has not led to a surge in violent crime, despite a spate of high profiles cases.

She said the rape and murder of a German student allegedly committed by a teenage Afghan asylum seeker and the arrest of a 31-year-old Iraqi asylum seeker over sexual assaults on two Chinese students were ‘terrible isolated incidents’.
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December 9, 2016 1:22pm
Scott

Manolo – I am sure Angela is right about all those thousands of terrible incidents involving all of those thousands of young men from middle eastern countries who we know are just “lone wolves”.

You and I might think there is some kind of planning and religious impulse behind all of this violence but fortunately Angela Merkel is here to reassure us that they are all isolated incidents. Move on nothing to see here.
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December 9, 2016 1:35pm
Fletch

Judge Reinhold takes shirt off, refuses to be felt up by the TSA, gets arrested.

http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2016/12/08/alright-hamilton-judge-reinhold-reportedly-removed-shirt-cursed-and-refused-tsa-screening-was-arrested/
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December 9, 2016 2:08pm
Manolo

Some gullible fools shed a tear for the ultra corrupt:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/watch-hillary-clinton-greeted-by-sobbing-women-on-capitol-hill/article/2609231

Hillary Clinton was greeted by sobbing, ecstatic women on her way out of an event on Capitol Hill in Washington on Thursday.
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December 9, 2016 2:15pm
- Fletch
  
  Hillary Clinton should be ridden out of town on a rail… And Jill Stein along with her.
  
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  December 9, 2016 2:33pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch , not going to happen so get over it . Update the goings on at your local witches coven
    
    Try this instead ,
    
    “Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can.”
    
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    December 9, 2016 4:51pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Hillary should be on stage – the next one out of town!!
    
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    December 9, 2016 6:59pm
- Inandout
  
  Pick the womens’ women from that hysterical lot who were sobbing. No more ‘favours’ from Hillary perhaps?
  
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  December 9, 2016 3:01pm
- RF
  
  I thought a dyke was a Dutch stop bank.
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:43pm
Fletch

Tucker Carlson interviews a so-called “faithless elector” from Texas, who says he won’t do the will of his constituents and vote for Trump, practically betraying every Texas voter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oOhwHG2Gb4
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December 9, 2016 3:20pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , surely you mean Sucker Carslon ?
  
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  December 9, 2016 4:50pm
Stars And Stripes

From an ant-infested caravan to a brand new home
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/western-leader/87393636/from-a-caravan-to-a-brand-new-home.
“Fourteen families in desperate need of homes have moved into newly built units in a Housing New Zealand complex in Glen Eden, west Auckland. ”

Wonder how long it will take these dirty bludgers to wreck them and turn it into a ghetto.
Couple of years tops I reckon.
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December 9, 2016 3:48pm
- stephieboy
  
  Stars and Stripes , just keep to South Auckland where you belong !
  
  http://www.maoritelevision.com/sites/default/files/styles/news_article_full/public/news_article/South%20Sufficient.jpg
  
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  December 9, 2016 5:41pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  New Vitamin P outlet.
  Second photo shows them on the piss, you do not drink L&P or milk out of wine and martini glasses
  
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  December 9, 2016 7:03pm
- GoVege
  
  That’s not very nice S&S.
  You have no idea what these 14 families are like.
  It’s practically impossible for low-paid people and beneficiaries to buy their own home these days.
  That’s why the government needs to house them.
  I know some are drunks and worse.
  Just today I saw a house destroyed by drug-making and was seated next to two drunken women.
  But not all poor people are like this.
  (Though it would help if their so-called leaders inspired them to something better than dragging up a dozen kids on the benny. )
  
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  December 9, 2016 7:33pm
Fletch

I can’t find it online, but today’s Herald has a cartoon by Emmerson parodying Trump’s Time cover, with Trump wearing a Nazi armband etc.

I think this is disgusting. The Herald should be ashamed for printing something like that.
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December 9, 2016 4:19pm
- itstricky
  
  Outraged snoflake, as they say around here…
  
  Trump is decisively dealing to the PC crowd, remember…
  
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  December 9, 2016 5:26pm
  - Griff
    
    Indeed itstricky our conservative cohort are permanently outraged at others being outraged .
    Self awareness is not their strong point is it .
    
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    December 9, 2016 6:06pm
  - Fletch
    
    There’s a difference between the liberal-left faux outrage, and things which we should be genuinely outraged about, and which the left ignores completely. For instance, if Bush had given a speech to his troops just before he left office and Obama took over, in which Bush said that they should protest against the authority of the president – how do you think that would have gone over? Yet the mainstream media don’t seem to care much that Obama just said the same thing to his troops before Trump comes in.
    
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    December 9, 2016 7:10pm
    - Griff
      
      Poor wee conservonut snowflake .
      Never mind your witch doctor will give you some magic zombie crackers and cheap wine come Sunday and you will be all better.
      
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      December 9, 2016 7:22pm
      - nasska
        
        Griff
        
        If you’re thinking of getting into the racket may I commend these suppliers of Christ’s body parts. 🙂
        
        http://vinnies-wellington.org.nz/altar-breads/?gclid=Cj0KEQiApqTCBRC-977Hi9Ov8pkBEiQA5B_ipSNnlKbglM78I0X223qPUdEvRo7bICGJaUg0lNMfkW8aAkw48P8HAQ
        
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        December 9, 2016 7:43pm
SPC

Who is the person who arranges the Black Caps schedule?

Winter tests in South Africa before touring India is worse preparation for spin friendly wickets and the heat than no preparation.

Then tests on our seam friendly wickets so we can beat Pakistan and then on to one day games in Oz conditions.

Set up to lose. And no surprise Guptill not having played tests since the one dayers in India was the best prepared.
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December 9, 2016 4:26pm
Reid

Pizzagate and “fake news”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGVSA2Jjelo
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December 9, 2016 5:39pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , yes indeed fake !
  
  A detailed conspiracy theory known as “Pizzagate” holds that a pedophile ring is operating out of a Clinton-linked pizzeria called Comet Ping Pong.
  
  CLAIM: The ‘Podesta e-mails’ revealed the existence of a secret society of pedophiles operating through a pizza place loosely connected to Clinton associate David Brock.
  
  X FALSE !
  
  http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/
  
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  December 9, 2016 5:46pm
- SPC
  
  I remember the fevered links/postings on this site just before the US election about Hillary and Weiners wife having threesomes with teenage females and the shocking information that the New York police had ….
  
  Mere satire on the emails to her on her husbands computer and his dickpics to teenage females?
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:27pm
wiseowl

What the hell is this country coming to?.
A ten year old boy rapes a 10 year old boy on a school camp.
What a sick sod this one is.
Wait for the story to come out.
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December 9, 2016 6:41pm
- Reid
  
  Something’s happened to that boy that he would do that wiseowl and I assume this will occur also to the investigating authorities.
  
  But it could be anything. It could be parental, someone else, it could even be porn, these days. But it’s something, a ten year old doesn’t have evil, unless someone’s put it in them.
  
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  December 9, 2016 6:52pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Don’t worry Wiseowl as a family group conference or a chat with Rainbow Youth will set him on the right path.
  
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  December 9, 2016 7:06pm
  - nasska
    
    Since the kid is ten years old there’s probably quite a good chance of sorting him out. This is one of those cases where spending time & money may have a positive outcome.
    
    Better that resources are used now than attempting the impossible in another few years time.
    
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    December 9, 2016 7:13pm
Manolo

Will the Dutch be next?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/741449/geert-wilders-freedom-party-election-polls-ahead-eu

The party, led by the controversial Geert Wilders, would beat prime minister Mark Rutte’s ruling conservative liberals if elections were held today.
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December 9, 2016 7:22pm
- Reid
  
  As much as the pro-globalism pundits and opinion makers, many of whom masquerade as journalists, hate to admit it, the neo-Cold War nurtured by Barack Obama, Francois Hollande, David Cameron, Angela Merkel, and Matteo Renzi – is now over. The new war is between the forces of globalism and populism. The end game for the globalists is a unipolar world in which the decisions are formulated in Washington with the bureaucracies in Brussels, London, The Hague, and Berlin acting as the implementers. Although the corporate media has reluctantly re-branded them from «far-right» to «populists», the political forces that are opposed to globalism are fighting for a multipolar world where national sovereignty, majority cultural and religious rights and customs, and domestic industrial protection rule the day…
  
  http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/08/war-between-globalists-and-populists.html
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:18pm
  - SPC
    
    In this new order, Putin is right wing nationalist leader of a Christian nation in chief and a hero to the right wing populists. Just as the former party bosses were heroes to the various socialist groups of the world (and their belief in a collectivist national economy).
    
    Of course the national socialists of Germany combined both strands of thought, to better ensure top down rule of the people
    politically and economically.
    
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    December 9, 2016 8:33pm
    - Reid
      
      Yeah but why can’t you see the quite obvious fact that “democratic” European govts have been doing the precise same thing to their people, for a long time, most latterly with this immigration.
      
      Why don’t you see that plain simple and obvious fact that all of that was perpetrated and continues to be perpetrated by your beloved “democracy?”
      
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      December 9, 2016 8:44pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , describe how you , Tyler Durden , Paul Craig Roberts and you etc are being oppressed by ” your beloved democracy “?
        
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        December 9, 2016 8:55pm
      - Reid
        
        It’s funny how when you don’t know what to say you nevertheless respond with a pathetic troll about something your respondee neither said nor referred to.
        
        What the fuck is the matter with you? You should talk to the DARPA people. They need to take you offline for awhile and fix the glitch. It sounds like a wurzenfluggle has become discombobulated and needs re-calibrating.
        
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        December 9, 2016 9:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

President Park Geun-hye impeached.

Another country changes their leader.
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December 9, 2016 8:13pm
- RF
  
  What in the hell is going on. The establishment is being rolled in all directions.
  
  Do we look forward to PM Peter Dunn.
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:37pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    It would solve the housing crisis!
    
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    December 9, 2016 8:47pm
EAD

Happy birthday ~~Issur Danielovitch~~, sorry (((Kirk Douglas)))
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December 9, 2016 8:24pm
- stephieboy
  
  EAD , did the Holywood Jewish cabal give Issur a leg up on his road to stardom ?
  
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  December 9, 2016 8:58pm
  - EAD
    
    Yes Stephie – see the example of one of Issur’s most famous movies – Spartacus in these 2 blog posts:
    
    http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2015/05/spartacus-marxism-and-rome-12.html
    
    http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2015/05/spartacus-marxism-and-rome-22.html
    
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    December 9, 2016 9:49pm
    - stephieboy
      
      A couple of fanciful if very perverse reviews of an ugly anti-Jewish variety .
      
      I suppose gentile actors Laurence Olivier , Charles Laughton, Peter Ustinov , Jean Simmons and director Stanley Kubrick etc were also part of the nefarious dastardly Jewish plot ?
      
      Kirk Douglas also starred in the marvelous “Detective Story ” directed by another gentile, William Wyler .
      
      Yet another dastardly Hollywood Jewish plot ?
      
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      December 9, 2016 10:37pm
nasska

A Muslim boy says to his mother. “Mum, it’s Halloween & my mates & I are going trick or treating tonight.”

“I want to go as a ghost. Can I wear your hijab?”
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December 9, 2016 9:19pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Geez Nasska, not your best work fella
  
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  December 9, 2016 9:50pm
stigie

30 minutes has gone by and Stiffy hasn’t commented Nasska, is he ok..?
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December 9, 2016 9:51pm
- stephieboy
  
  stigie , nasska , Aww C mon , all of you coping with posters clap ?
  
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  December 9, 2016 10:40pm
nasska

Cramp in his typing hand I would think stigie. 🙂
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December 9, 2016 9:54pm
Manolo

Now it is time for crooked Clinton to disappear for good, not to be seen again:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/309583-feinstein-discusses-her-private-dinner-with-clinton

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said Hillary Clinton has “accepted” her Election Day loss after the two met for a private dinner Thursday.

“Anybody that’s lost a big election knows it’s never easy,” Feinstein said, according to CNN. “She has accepted it, and that’s what makes it hard.”
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December 9, 2016 10:03pm
Manolo

Who is this Pope?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/12/09/pope-francis-fecal-fetish/95189744/
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