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oldpark

Another “false news” story put out by Newstalk ZB . They quoted Iona Pannett from Wellington City Councils Green Mafia,that Wellington had the wettest spring ever, because of “global warming”.. Conveniently omitting the fact, that in 1943 there was a comparison.Wonder what name was given to “Global Warming” at that time .
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December 7, 2016 8:06am
- Manolo
  
  Pannett is a Green and unreliable most of the times. A serial liar.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:19am
  - eandlbufe
    
    God are going to have another one of those fairies populating the greenflies. Wish these so called sport-stars would do what they do best and stay out of our lives. This is one of the reasons why we have so much respect for Richie. I reckon he could be PM if he so desired.
    
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    December 7, 2016 2:21pm
- JIV
  
  I’m pretty sure Global Warming was fixed in Paris. I remember the celebrations when all the bureaucrats decided exactly what temperature to set the earth to. No need to worry any more, taxes will fix it.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:29am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  It rains in springtime,well, blow me down with an unseasonal zephyr.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:30am
- geoff3012
  
  WW 2
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:44am
Kimbo

Amusing moment I remember from a TV comedy show with a court room scene, with a prosecutor demanding of a Japanese witness, “where were you on the morning of December 7, 1941?” Sorry Odakyu-sen! 😉

75 years ago today, Pearl Harbour, the day when battleships were rendered obsolete.
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December 7, 2016 8:08am
- kowtow
  
  Taranto, 11 November 1940.”the day when battleships were rendered obsolete.”
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:18am
  - G152
    
    American battleships yes. The rest of the world had a pretty shrewd idea that capital ships were history in the 30s
    
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    December 7, 2016 8:28am
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      Really? Japan, Italy, France, Germany and Britain were all building battleships in the late 1930s. Aircraft carriers were fewer in number and more a hopeful than a proven weapon.
      
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      December 7, 2016 8:59am
    - Jack5
      
      G152: The British lost the Royal Oak, the Barham, and the Prince of Wales by the end of 1941, plus the battle cruisers the Hood and the Repulse.
      
      The Germans lost the Bismarck, Scharnhorst, and Tirpitz. The Japanese lost the biggest, the Yamoto, as late as 7 April 1945. American dive bombers sank her.
      
      America’s General Mitchell demonstrated the power of aircraft against ships by sinking three decommissioned battleships in a famous demonstration in 1921.
      
      If the Americans hadn’t been building carriers, G152, the Japanese Army and Navy might have reached New Zealand in the 1940s. The Allies’ Pacific War at sea was spearheaded and dominated by America’s large and growing carrier fleet.
      
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      December 7, 2016 2:18pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Taranto, 11 November 1940.
    
    Yes, I wondered if someone would mention that, and you could also add the sinking of the Bismarck earlier in 1941 (crucial damage to her rudder was done by the Swordfish aircraft flying off, as I recall, the Ark Royal).
    
    However, it took Pearl Harbour to confirm for conservative admirals the reality. The sinking of the Repulse and Prince of Wales by Japanese aircraft a few days later drove it home. If not, why send out the Bismarck in May 1941, when her fate was, in the light of December 1941, almost inevitable?
    
    Just as well there were no American carriers in Pearl at the time of the Japanese attack, or the outcome of the Battle of the Coral Sea in our own backyard (the first genuine carrier vs carrier battle) could have been different…
    
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    December 7, 2016 9:16am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      No, the outcome of the Pacific War could not have ended differently. Japan was doomed from Pearl Harbor onwards. America had superior manufacturing capacity, in unreachable production facilities.
      
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      December 7, 2016 10:06am
      - Kimbo
        
        Yes, almost certainly true – mind you if the combined xis had pulled it off at the Coral Sea, the Battle of Moscow and then Midway, Stalingrad, El Alamein and Guadalcanal (all of which were in the balance and in some cases should have been won by the Axis), it could have been very tricky for the Allies.
        
        But then that’s the Laconic reply, isn’t it? “If”
        
        But when it came to the Coral Sea I was thinking more from a New Zealand perspective, The Japanese did have invasion and occupation plans for both us and Australia. Our long term future may have been ok, but Japanese occupation was not a pleasant experience within their “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere”. Put it this way – the Aussies were sufficiently spooked to bring back some of their troops from North Africa.
        
        Which shows what could have occurred if the Axis, with fewer economic resources, but the power of the initiative, internal lines of supply (admittedly a problem for the Japanese servicing their Empire, especially Indonesian oil) and difficult-to-penetrate lines of defence, had been able to coordinate. Very problematic because where and how would you wage effective war against them with such long lines of logistics for American supplies across the Atlantic and Pacific?
        
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        December 7, 2016 10:28am
      - Jack5
        
        Kimbo (10.28) says the Australians were spooked into bringing their troops home to help defend the country.
        
        Spooked seems the wrong word to me. It was a rational decision. Americans were fighting to defend Australia, and the rational response was to be beside them.
        
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        December 7, 2016 2:35pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Spooked seems the wrong word to me. It was a rational decision. Americans were fighting to defend Australia, and the rational response was to be beside them.
        
        As I recall, Churchill disagreed with their analysis. Mind you, what with Gallipoli, Greece and Crete in his bag of blunders (for which Kiwi troops always seemed on hand to pay the price!), and despite his great abilities in other matters, Churchill wasn’t a good judge of military strategy.
        
        But if Rommel had taken the Suez Canal…what then?
        
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        December 7, 2016 3:19pm
      - BeeSting
        
        Spooked
        
        Many Australians (and NZrs) realised the trouble was going to come from Asia as it will again soon
        they knew this soon after WW1 and even before WW1.
        
        Banjo Patterson’s 1923 Poem
        a job for McGuinness
        accurately predicts WW2 past and
        WW3 coming soon. Sooner than you think
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Gun
        
        Evelyn (Evo) Owen
        was developing a sub machine gun before WW2
        if it had been implemented it could have saved
        20,000 Australian Lives
        
        You are missing out Kokoda
        with out that action
        Australia would have fallen
        
        Nothing has been learned since even the end of
        WW2 Australia and NZ are
        
        UNDEFENDED AND UNDEFENDABLE
        
        and guess what WW3 has already started
        and people are TOO think to realise
        
        They were planning on notifying you via an
        iphone app that you had lost
        
        What is oz or nz developing now
        
        The Current round of politician intend to
        import their ammunition from china
        
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        December 7, 2016 10:34pm
    - kowtow
      
      The original plan was for the aircraft carrier Indie to accompany them. It ran aground so couldn’t provide the aircover they needed.
      
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      December 7, 2016 11:04am
      - Kimbo
        
        I didn’t know that – thanks.
        
        Battleships could still be effective, as at Leyte Gulf (and when Admiral Halsey wasn’t off chasing Japanese naval decoys when he should have been guarding a seaborne invasion! As per Sean Connery in The Hunt for Red October: “I read your book. Your conclusions were all wrong, Ryan. Halsey acted stupidly”.), but as you’ve indicated, not without the air cover provided from land, or, further out to sea, from carriers.
        
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        December 7, 2016 12:46pm
    - PhilBest
      
      I recall reading that Japanese Air power strategists really took notice when FAA Blackburn Skuas sank the German cruiser Konigsberg by dive-bombing, on 10 April, 1940. During the Battle of Norway.
      
      Also, ironically, it was Curtis in the USA who were the original pioneers of dive-bombers, the original “Curtis Helldiver” was a biplane. Model SBC, not the famous WW2 SB2C.
      
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      December 7, 2016 11:29am
      - Kimbo
        
        Even more ironic, it was an American air strategist, Billy Mitchell, who had pushed for the development of carriers ahead of battleships in the 1920s.
        
        Shades of the Germans using a British invention, the tank, against the inventors with spectacular effect in May 1940.
        
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        December 7, 2016 12:42pm
      - PhilBest
        
        Sorry, Kimbo, I hit “report” instead of “reply” by mistake.
        
        Didn’t even the original idea for mechanised “Blitzkrieg” come from a British military strategist’s writings? Sir Basil Liddell Hart?
        
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        December 7, 2016 1:17pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Didn’t even the original idea for mechanised “Blitzkrieg” come from a British military strategist’s writings? Sir Basil Liddell Hart?
        
        Yes, I believe you are correct.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._H._Liddell_Hart
        
        The much-vaunted technical superiority of the German Panzers during the Battle of France was a myth. The French tanks were superior and along with the British they were a numerical match. But Manstein, Guderian and Rommel knew how to use them in concert, and integrated with dive bombers and (at times motorised) infantry
        
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        December 7, 2016 1:27pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Bit of a myth that one about Liddell-Hart. See John Mearsheimer’s Liddell Hart and the Weight of History.
        
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        December 7, 2016 1:58pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Thanks for that mikey.
        
        Mind you, as per EAD’s recent effort to rehabilitate the German war effort 1939-45, everything and everyone gets revised sooner or later! 😉
        
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        December 7, 2016 2:03pm
      - Jack5
        
        The link below takes you to an interesting history of dive bombing.
        
        It notes the Japanese were dive bombing in China in the 1930s, well before the Battle of Norway (Phil Best’s 11.29 post)
        
        http://divebombingnavy.blogspot.co.nz/
        
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        December 7, 2016 2:43pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Is an Italian battleship worth the same as one that is American, British or Japanese? Put it this way – allegedly Italian tanks had 10 gears: 9 reverse, and one forward, just in case they were attacked in the rear 😉
    
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    December 7, 2016 10:41am
    - Jack5
      
      I’m not Italian, Kimbo (10.41 post), but feel someone should defend them.
      
      In North Africa, some of the fascist Italian units fought very well, and the Italian guys who rode the human torpedoes in naval attacks were as brave as anyone.
      
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      December 7, 2016 2:46pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …but feel someone should defend them.
        
        …because they did such a poor job of defending themselves! Sorry, low hanging fruit 😉
        
        Um, yes, not wishing to detract from the brave men who died fighting, including Italians, but the Italian Fascists protracted campaigns against supposedly lesser foes in Abyssinia in 1935-36, Albania in 1939 and Greece in 1941 were not high points in the history of the Italian army! Then when they faced real opposition in France in 1940 (even with the French crumbling elsewhere) and the British (and her Empire troops) in Cyrenaica in 1941…
        
        Must have been fighting for an arsehole like Mussolini that did it.
        
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        December 7, 2016 2:53pm
- Biscuit
  
  I prefer to think of December 7 1941 as the day World War II was determined in favour of the Allies…
  
  Until then, of course, The USofA was happily (?) neutral…
  
  From The Christian Science Monitor:
  
  ‘To Winston Churchill the Japanese attack on United States naval forces at Pearl Harbor was one of the greatest days of the most terrible war in Great Britain’s history. He was appalled, calculating, and exhilarated – perhaps in equal measures.
  
  He was dining at Chequers, the country retreat of prime ministers, when he heard the news. His guests were US Ambassador Gil Winant and Averell Harriman, President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s special envoy to Europe.
  
  A butler brought in a portable radio for the party to listen to the BBC Home Service. When the attack was confirmed Churchill leapt to his feet and said he must declare war on Japan at once. His guests dissuaded him from this impetuous act, historian Walter Reid recounts in “Churchill 1940-1945,” his book about wartime relations among the Allied leaders.
  
  The Prime Minister phoned Roosevelt, and asked “Mr. President, what’s this about Japan?” FDR responded that it was true, and they were all in the same boat now.
  
  To Churchill, this meant one thing above all: victory. Britain was no longer alone. Finally, the US would enter the war.
  
  “Being saturated and satiated with emotion and sensation, I went to bed and slept the sleep of the saved and thankful,” he wrote in his own history of World War II.
  
  Remember the context. For years Churchill – the finest dramatist of all wartime leaders – had wooed, cajoled, and flattered Roosevelt in particular and American in general in an effort to ally with its vast resources and manpower in an existential struggle.
  
  He wrote FDR two or three times a week. Important Americans who visited Britain were treated like royalty. Literally. As historian Max Hastings recounts, when Ambassador Winant first arrived to take up his post, he was met by special train and whisked to Windsor.
  
  There, George VI himself was waiting at the station to drive the ambassador in his own car to the castle.
  
  “Never in history had a foreign diplomat been received with such ceremony,” Hastings writes.
  
  Roosevelt offered some ships and other arms and war equipment. But he stopped well short of promising a war alliance. The US mood would not allow it.
  
  In early August 1941, the two leaders of the English-speaking peoples met at a shipboard conference off the coast of Canada. Churchill thought they had developed a strong relationship. And they had – but not as strong as Churchill hoped. FDR was much the shrewder of the two about personal relations with other leaders. Some would say the American was at times deceptive about his intentions.
  
  Pearl Harbor rendered all that irrelevant. It united Americans behind the idea of total war in a way that a lesser attack would not have done. And on Dec. 11, 1941, Adolf Hitler compounded Japan’s strategic error by declaring war against the US. He had always expected he would have to face the United States, and so thought it a “matter of course to follow Japan’s lead,” writes Hastings in his history of the war, “Inferno.”
  
  This move relieved Roosevelt “from a serious uncertainty about whether Congress would agree to fight Germany,” according to Hastings.
  
  The stage was set for Churchill to woo the US nation. In December, he and his military chiefs sailed to America to hammer out the strategy they would follow in the coming struggle – which would include making the defeat of Germany, the greater threat, the first priority.
  
  Churchill stayed in the White House. He was by all accounts, an enjoyable and exhausting guest. He and FDR would stay up until all hours talking and imbibing. At one point, Roosevelt wheeled himself into Churchill’s room to find the prime minister naked, striding about, and dictating to his stenographer.
  
  On December 26, Churchill addressed the US Congress for the first time. He joked about his own Anglo-American heritage (his mother was American). He implicitly linked Britain and America as one, saying of the Japanese, “What kind of people do they think we are?”
  
  He warned that many disappointments and unpleasant days would lie ahead. But he said the best war news of all had already occurred: “the United States, united as never before, have drawn the sword for freedom and cast away the scabbard.”’
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:55am
  - Kimbo
    
    Japanese Admiral Yamamato was the one who planned the attack on Pearl Harbour. He had studied previously in the US and therefore knew firsthand what they were capable of. His assessment was that if Pearl Harbour was successful, Japan could run amok for about 6 months to a year, but after that American industrial might would wear them down and they would lose. He was alleged to have said after the attack, “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve”.
    
    And about 7 months later the Americans – with a lot of luck that they maybe made for themselves courtesy of cracking the Japanese naval codes – equalised when they caught Nagumo (who executed the Pearl Harbour attack) with his pants down at Midway, and that was the end of the Japanese hopes for an impenetrable ribbon defence” to keep the Americans out of the Western Pacific.
    
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    December 7, 2016 9:47am
    - PhilBest
      
      One incredible turn of mixed luck at Midway, was that when the Dauntless dive-bombers arrived at the Japanese carrier force, the Devastator torpedo-bombers had arrived a few minutes earlier and drawn the Japanese fighter escorts down to sea level, with the result that the entire force of torpedo-bombers was shot down. The dive-bombers got a much clearer run from above, as a result.
      
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      December 7, 2016 11:35am
      - tom hunter
        
        In his book, Carnage and Culture, the military historian, Victor Davis Hanson, has a great background on two key aspects of the Midway battle.
        
        One is well known, which is the code cracking the US Navy did. But Hanson goes to some lengths to detail how the genius who led it would never have survived a day in the straight-jacketed culture of the Japanese Navy. In fact it was amazing that the guy graduated from the US Naval Academy; he was slovenly and disorganised – at least outside his head. He admitted much later that he basically kept things “filed” in his brain, which was why the paper filing was a mess. But the US commanders saw something in him and put him where his quirks worked for them, which is a credit to that officer class.
        
        The second story Hanson tells has to do with the repair work on the USS Yorktown. Most stories about the Battle of the Coral Sea have the aircraft carrier listed as “damaged”, but Hanson points out that the damage was so severe it would normally have taken 6-12 months to make it fully combat-worthy, and at least a couple of weeks to get it to minimum combat readiness. Knowing they did not have that time, the Navy dragged it to Pearl Harbour and into dry dock, where some 3000 welders, cutters, artificers and the rest, descended on the ship before the water had even drained away. The power consumption was so fantastic that it not only idled other parts of the naval base but caused brownouts in nearby towns. In some detail Hanson describes the genius of workers who patched stuff together, making decisions on the fly in order to get things working. She sailed out 48 hours later, with workers still on board patching and repairing. Hanson makes the point that while 3 carriers proved to be enough against the four Japanese ones, a ratio of 2/4 would likely have been too much and the US would have lost. Certainly Nimitz thought so, which was why he’d demanded the ship be ready to sail with the Midway Task Force in just two days.
        
        I’ve always thought a good movie could be made just out of that repair story alone.
        
        Ah ha! And here’s a detailed article on the repairs, courtesy of Defense Media Network.
        
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        December 7, 2016 11:56am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ PhilBest
        
        One incredible turn of mixed luck at Midway, was that when the Dauntless dive-bombers arrived at the Japanese carrier force, the Devastator torpedo-bombers had arrived a few minutes earlier and drawn the Japanese fighter escorts down to sea level, with the result that the entire force of torpedo-bombers was shot down. The dive-bombers got a much clearer run from above, as a result.
        
        Yes, that was the “fateful five minutes” to which I was alluding. It was compounded by Nagumo, confused and thinking he had been attacked by aircraft from Midway and not carriers, switching the planes lined up on his deck back and forth from torpedoes to bombs. And when the American dive bombers arrived, the Japanese carriers, with their decks strewn with aircraft loaded with fuel and explosives, went up like the 4th of July.
        
        I also read an analysis that American Admiral Spruance, having gained the prize of 4 Japanese carriers, showed great wisdom in breaking off the battle despite the urging from his subordinates, rather than sending his precious remaining two carriers further westward. Unbeknown to the Americans, Yamamoto who had been shadowing his carriers, was moving eastward with his battleships. If, as the Japanese were hoping, they had closed the distance sufficiently overnight, then the American carriers’ advantage of range would have been reversed and they would have been cut to pieces in a dawn attack before they could launch their aircraft.
        
        And great courage by the American torpedo bombers. I think only one airman of 30 survived, and it seemed their attack had been futile. But as you rightly indicate, that was not the case, as they drew the Japanese carriers’ protecting fighter cover down…and the envelope of opportunity was there for that precious five minutes,
        
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        December 7, 2016 12:12pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ tom hunter
        
        Yes, and I think those American torpedo bombers that were cut to pieces, but nonetheless drew the protecting Zeros down to sea level were from…the Yorktown. A real case of the “what ifs” and accumulated advantages and opportunities aligning in the fog of war.
        
        And they did make a movie back in the mid-1970s called “Midway”. Big name cast, and they included actual footage from WWII.
        
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        December 7, 2016 12:21pm
      - tom hunter
        
        And they did make a movie back in the mid-1970s called “Midway”. Big name cast, and they included actual footage from WWII.
        
        My big sister took me to see it in the theatre at the time. Don’t think she was too impressed. Probably did it as a favour to mum and dad!
        
        But I recently watched it with my eldest son on Netflix and although he’d seen the combat footage before he was really impressed with the special effects. One shot in particular has the Japanese attacking Hickham Field, with US P40 Tomahawks trying to take off amidst the bombs and bullets, and a couple of the planes get hit, catch fire and go out of control, smashing into others on the ground while propellers go flying and men sprint away. “That can’t be CGI” he exclaimed, and insisted on replaying the scene to try and see how they did it. I suspect they actually built full-size plane props and destroyed them while actors ran around, rather than superimposing models onto live action shots? However it was done, he thought it was “cool”, which is pretty high praise for a rather slow-moving, pedantically accurate, war movie from forty years ago.
        
        But they never covered the Yorktown repairs: that’s what I meant when I said it deserved a movie all it’s own.
        
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        December 7, 2016 12:43pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ tom hunter
        
        Yes, it is a real movie for boys!
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midway_(film)
        
        Sort of a remake of the 1970 version of Pearl Harbour with the ensemble celebrity cast like they used in that movie and The Battle of the Bulge and The Longest Day. Richard Attenborough’s A Bridge Too Far (aka “a reel too far”!) killed them off. 😉
        
        And yes, the Yorktown repairs were referenced (by Henry Fonda playing Nimitz I seem to recall), but just in passing.
        
        I may even have the role of the Yorktown’s torpedo bombers mixed up. They may have been part of an even earlier attack, and their significance came in that Nagumo, working on the mistaken assumption the Yorktown had been sunk at the Battle of the Coral Sea, thought the formation that attacked him must originated from Midway Island itself – hence switching his aircraft from torpeodoes to bombs at the crucial stage of the battle.
        
        And the small margins and increments made the difference.
        
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        December 7, 2016 1:02pm
    - cha
      
      with a lot of luck that they maybe made for themselves courtesy of cracking the Japanese naval codes
      
      And a young fella from Port Chalmers.
      
      https://rnzncomms.org/buchanan/
      
      http://navymuseum.co.nz/wwii-campbell-buchanan-and-the-sinking-of-japanese-submarine-i-1/
      
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      December 7, 2016 11:49am
    - kowtow
      
      Yamamoto himself was also caught by the US decrypts ,18 Apri 1943, when the Yanks shot him down . The Brits were livid as it gave the Nips an indication that their codes were compromised.
      
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      December 7, 2016 1:24pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I didn’t know the second part of that story. Allegedly the British allowed actor of Gone with the Wind fame, Leslie Howard’s plane to be shot down in the Bay of Biscay rather than divert it when their intell/code-breaking indicated it was going to be attacked by the Luftwaffe.
        
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        December 7, 2016 1:34pm
      - kowtow
        
        kimbo @134
        
        Churchill’s intelligence chief ,Sir Stewart Graham Menzies,was adamant that the intelligence from the Allied code breaking efforts be only used for ‘big picture” operations so as not to compromise it. Apparently he pointed out to the Yanks that the Brits had had many opportunities to kill Rommell , but didn’t as that would have revealed Enigma was compromised.
        
        And in no small way was NZ caught up in this intrigue with Crete. Freyberg was fully informed of German intentions , but he was told the info was coming from an SIS agent in German Athens HQ rather than Enigma decrypts.
        
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        December 7, 2016 2:00pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I can’t remember the full details, but I seem to recall the allied forces on Crete were disposed to resist a sea invasion, but Freyberg was limited in redeploying troops for fear of compromising the intelligence sources. A seaborne assault was part of the German plan, but the Royal
        Navy got in the way.
        In any event, the aerodromes were the key points, and the battle was lost when the New Zealanders failed to act vigorously enough to retake Maleme.
        
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        December 7, 2016 4:40pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Hitler’s fate was sealed on June the 22nd 1941 ,
    
    http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/operation-barbarossa
    
    It committed him to a two front war which was essentially won through “Russian blood and American money ( including of course the industrial capacity of both )
    
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    December 7, 2016 1:41pm
kowtow

More of that diversity dividend.

“Five Afghan teenagers have been arrested after a boy was gang-raped at knifepoint in a forest in Sweden, it has emerged.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4006190/Five-Afghan-teenagers-arrested-boy-gang-raped-knifepoint-hour-forest-Sweden.html
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December 7, 2016 8:09am
- holysheet
  
  the diversity dividend at work once again.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:26am
- burt
  
  Religion of peace. Bet the boy showed his ankles – so he was gagging for it.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:49am
- Peter
  
  Look, we don’t want to rush to give out “culture assertion medals”, but these noble five boys certainly deserve one.
  
  Signed
  
  EuroLeft
  
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  December 7, 2016 10:08am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  One would have to see if “gang-rape of boys” is a previously documented crime in Sweden or if it is a new phenomenon. Also, one would have to see if immigrants are statistically significantly higher to indulge in such crimes compared with native male Swedes.
  
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  December 7, 2016 10:09am
- Rich Prick
  
  Another Muslim “sexual emergency” in Sweden. It must be a day ending in “y”.
  
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  December 7, 2016 11:02am
- GoVege
  
  I thought they had heaps of mountain goats in Sweden….darn I was thinking of Switzerland.
  
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  December 7, 2016 2:02pm
EAD

Under the guise of “civility”, Stuff begins censoring comments:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/84011451/why-were-introducing-new-rules-to-restore-civility-to-stuffs-comments

I’ve been commenting on Stuff a bit recently and have noted how the success of Brexit and Trump have been encouraging people to speak up and call bullshit on the b/s the MSM tells us. Whether it be global warming, 3rd world immigration, the Treaty, so on and so forth, commentators are sharply at odds with the MSM Ministry of Truth.

Morgoths Review puts his finger accurately on the pulse about why the media is struggling to control the narrative and their only response is to “shut it down”:

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-meta-politics-of-great-shutdown.html?m=0

For reasons which we can discuss another time, the Dark Lords of Globalism Inc. have, over the last year, increased the work load and pressures that their Leftist Champions have to deal with exponentially.

As of writing, for example, the last week alone has seen the EU referendum announcement in Britain and the left will be defending the Globalism Inc. side of the argument.

In America Donald Trump announces he wants to audit the Federal Reserve but the left attack him and back the Goldman Sachs backed psycho and warmonger, Hillary Clinton.

In Hungary a referendum has been announced over the validity of multiculturalism and once again the left will be forced to take the side of universalist principles and Bankers over the Right of a people to remain who and what they are in their own land. And all they can expect in return is accusations that they’re traitors and lunatics who should be hanged.

It’s untenable, the champions of globalism are worn out, exposed, bloodied and wounded and the option of skulking off to a ”safe space” is increasingly the only option remaining.
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December 7, 2016 8:11am
- itstricky
  
  the champions of globalism are worn out
  
  Let’s go back to The Iron Age. Sorted.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:45am
  - burt
    
    Or back to 1950’s NZ with high taxes, price controls, monopoly state providers and 1 state run TV channel. Vote Labour.
    
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    December 7, 2016 8:50am
    - stephieboy
      
      burt , who was in power during the 1950s and the 1960s albeit a brief period 1957-60 ?
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:20am
  - EAD
    
    It’s tricky,
    
    You assume history is one long march on an ever upwards path. Surely the collapse of Rome followed by the Dark Ages proves otherwise?
    
    http://crookedtimber.org/2003/08/25/decline-and-fall/
    
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    December 7, 2016 9:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD ,from your link,
      
      “This proves it. I am strangely comforted to think that Rome was undermined by Bolsheviks, feminists, socialists, public baths, and, above all, the decline of the Nordic character.”
      
      Jews don’t rate a mention ?
      
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      December 7, 2016 1:16pm
      - pentwig
        
        Only by you daffy.
        Troll!!
        
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        December 7, 2016 3:02pm
- PhilBest
  
  Stuff “BEGINS censoring comments”????
  
  They have never had comments appearing instantly, they have always gone via moderation, and many times, comments of mine have not appeared. This is old news.
  
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  December 7, 2016 1:12pm
Notsofast

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Judith Collins disqualified herself when self destructing in the Bain case. She had a duty as justice minister in charge of a case that had spiralled beyond principals of law to axioms of justice to be the most diligent researcher since Joe Karam, and to understand the case.
She has lost, but the knuckle dragging remnants who won’t do their own heavy lifting in understanding a crime scene Joe Karam and Ian Binnie did, are supporting her.
Never, and I hope the accuracy required in recording history sinks this woman.
Yes, the Bain case is still highly relevant for showing her to be academically unequipped for prime minister.
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December 7, 2016 8:11am
- Lance
  
  Nobody gives a shit about the topic of your rant
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:14am
  - Notsofast
    
    This is the most widely read opinion forum in the country, your contribution is valued.
    
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    December 7, 2016 8:38am
    - holysheet
      
      Yes and judging by the ticks against you, the opinion on this forum backs Lance. By a huge margin.
      
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      December 7, 2016 8:53am
      - Notsofast
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        I know beforehand. That is scarcely relevant when I am putting forward a well formed view. I have done the case work that was incumbent on Collins and Adams as justice ministers, and Phil Goff before them. It is truly remarkable they are all touted as prospects for leader. There is no room for doubt in this case, that is a fallacy. As an aside, criminal scholars state there is no case in history where a factual murderer has achieved the very, very difficult task of becoming unconvicted. There is something to ponder for statisticians.
        
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        December 7, 2016 8:58am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        It’s all good holysheet. A couple more down-ticks, and Notsofast’s advocacy for Bain will disappear, as Bain himself should.
        
        Just a thought though; is Notsofast a reinvention of former Bain supporter Judith, who ceased commenting here some time ago?
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:08am
      - Notsofast
        
        I drag my own knuckles, thanks Keeping Stock.
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:22am
- Inandout
  
  God help us if Prime Ministers are chosen on the basis of their not supporting killers who have amnesia.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:51am
  - Notsofast
    
    When making maverick decisions it is important to be right. Collins was wrong. This is a cause for great concern. She has not a snowball’s chance in hell in this voting round fortunately, but we should not be subject to the anxiety endemic in seeing a despot with a prospect.
    And I am pleased Trump won.
    
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    December 7, 2016 9:03am
    - stephieboy
      
      Notsofast, Judith Collins will be ever remembered as that individual who had the presence of mind to dump the inept Binnie Report .
      
      Bain and Karam also pleased Trump won ?
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:26am
      - Notsofast
        
        You spout nonsense. Why? I don’t get you villagers on this thread, collectively one might expect a few nods to science to be welcomed.
        Judith Collins is carrying before her a vessel of putrid material. The odour moves with her.
        
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        December 7, 2016 10:38am
    - Liberty
      
      “Collins was wrong”
      Only in the minds of deluded Bain apologists.
      
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      December 7, 2016 11:14am
- fernglas
  
  Do you want a PM or a detective? One leads followers, the other follows leads.
  
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  December 7, 2016 9:31am
  - Notsofast
    
    I don’t want a failed justice minister as prime minister. And I am not alone. Can’t you see what is going on? She countered without research the developed arguments of Julian Miles, Joe Karam and Ian Binnie.
    It would be a spectacular stupidity to elect a poor judge of fact and law as prime minister. And she is damaged goods in a host of areas. Still, your country, your problem.
    
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    December 7, 2016 10:34am
    - stephieboy
      
      Notsofast, ” the developed arguments of Julian Miles . Joe Karam and Ian Binnie ” ?
      
      Examples ?
      
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      December 7, 2016 12:20pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Julian Miles wrote
        
        The Privy Council subsequently overturned the Court of Appeal decision. As the Privy Council rarely interfered with decisions involving criminal convictions, this in itself was highly unusual. However, the judgement analysed and rejected each of the grounds relied on by the Court of Appeal (Tipping and Glazebrooke soon to be supreme court judges, my insert here) concluding a substantial miscarriage of justice had actually occurred.
        
        So Collins is smarter than a QC and a privy council bench?
        
        She is a failed employment lawyer who is unsafe to lead.
        
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        December 7, 2016 12:38pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Notsofast ,
        
        It I recall the PC recommend a retrial so that the hearsay evidence could be heard which might otherwise lead to a substantial miscarriage of justice occur .
        
        They did not find Bain innocent ( contrary to Binnie ‘s claim ) and quash his conviction. Indeed the PC recommended he should stay in prison until a trial date was set.
        
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        December 7, 2016 1:23pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Indeed they did as also with Lundy. They are innately conservative, they instructed remand conditions to be determined locally, and it is significant both Bain and Lundy were successful applicants.
        As I suggested earlier, even getting to this conditional release state is consistent statistically with virtually guaranteed innocence. That is plain fact, it is just very hard to persuade anyone to let you go, even when innocent.
        Yep, Collins should be jailed for depriving David Bain of his authenticity.
        Ask Donald Trump, who called for releasing Amanda Knox and jailing Hillary Clinton.
        
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        December 7, 2016 2:34pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Remind me again Notsofast; what formal legal qualification does Joe Karam have?
      
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      December 7, 2016 1:24pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Keeping Stock:
        Legal qualifications are not earned in pursuit of scene of crime investigative expertise. That is the domain of comprehensive photographic evidence, initial witness statements, and scientific examination. Armed with these the mystery evaporates, and legal interpretation is redundant.
        Facts are built from laws of physics.
        
        This allows the statement of Dempster 30 minutes after crime discovery to claim CATEGORICALLY the gun was in contact with the left temple of Robin Bain when one killing shot was fired. The first jury were instead told that David was remote, concealed by a curtain. Is that law or arch bullshit? Can legal process sensibly take over after this?
        
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        December 7, 2016 2:25pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  (Turning on MSM leftist logic mode)
  Judith for PM – it’s her turn!
  
  Clearly you are sexist if you don’t support a woman for the top job.
  
  Especially as she’s the best qualified person for the role (English’s catastrophic 2002 failure proves he doesn’t have what it takes)!
  
  National’s caucus have to get over their sexism and support Judith (Obama fascist mode enabled).
  
  (Turning on Greenie insano logic) National have to show they’re serious about gender equality by making Judith co-PM – if they don’t it’ll be proof they’re the party of neo-liberal patriarchy once again!
  
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  December 7, 2016 10:16am
- Kimbo
  
  Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer pick. For me, Collins’ conduct over the Bain case, including Binney’s report that had been commissioned by her predecessor as MoJ, is one of the things on the positive side of her ledger that commends her for the office of PM.
  
  Her partial melt-down over the pressure of the Oravida issue is on the negative side. I refer more to her outburst against Katie Bradford, and her economical replies at the time, not the alleged scandal itself.
  
  And not sure about her “we cannot defeat Winston Peters in 2017 with (by implication) Bill English at the helm”. So if English wins…you’ve given Peters a weapon to use in 2017.
  
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  December 7, 2016 11:02am
  - Notsofast
    
    If it was clear that Bain was factually guilty you would have some case here. But the converse is true, and ultimately we know this by many path ways, but one of the less obscure is Amy Adams conceding that the state would lose in a court action in which it was planned to eviscerate the nonsense crooked Callinan wrote for her, and replace with the salient evidence in the case. Amanda Knox was freed for the same reason, the State Department analysed the facts and told the Italian government what consequences would arise if they continued to rail against science and factual innocence.
    
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    December 7, 2016 12:19pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Notsofast , again examples of Binnie’s findings of so-called ” factual innocence ” ?
      
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      December 7, 2016 12:22pm
      - Notsofast
        
        He pointed out the epic fail at the planning phase.
        No one kills 4 people then hopes these bodies remain undiscovered before finishing a paper round.
        Not David Bain, not any one.
        That will have to do because the report is short and anyone can read it.
        Here it is
        
        http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/document/pdf/201250/01Justice%20Binnies%20report.pdf
        
        and what a Canadian lawyer says
        
        Until now, I had never heard of this case so I don’t know anything about it or have any pre-conceived notions about it, but I am finding this (pdf file) an interesting read so far. Ian Binnie, who is a retired Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada, is certainly no slouch, so I am interested in reading his take on the matter. (I’m only up to page 61 of 193 so far.)…..
        
        stephie, If you can read the Binnie report and still think David Bain dunnit you have left your brain at home.
        
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        December 7, 2016 1:42pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Notsofast ,
        
        “He pointed out the epic fail at the planing phase.
        No one kills 4 people then hopes these remain undiscovered before finishing a paper round.”
        
        On an early-mid winters morning c 6.00- 7.00 am using a silencer ?
        
        Also , it is not physical evidence but mere conjecture .
        
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        December 7, 2016 1:50pm
      - GoVege
        
        Don’t forget it was a DUNEDIN’s winter morning.
        And the dad was staying in a caravan outside.
        
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        December 7, 2016 2:12pm
      - Notsofast
        
        You guys grasp at straws. Are you going on a gun massacre at that time where absolutely nil margin for error is available. It didn’t matter to Robin, he was finished when Laniet spilled the beans and she and mum went to the cash machine.
        If Collins gets this job there will be a great reveal internationally of the type of candidate we elect. This is not a matter of political judgement, it is a miscarriage of justice for which she is directly culpable. New Zealand can be shamed, and all the decisions back to the privy council booting out exposed. Many scalps for international ridicule and disbelief. With Lundy yet to come, another under her watch. You guys are in cloud cuckoo land if you think international leaders can weather this sort of corrupt practice. I doubt Karam will be silent if compelled to witness her smug strutting.
        She lost you all understand, was exposed by the governmental cave in.
        
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        December 7, 2016 3:28pm
    - Kimbo
      
      @ Notsofast
      
      Bored with the topic, bored with you, bye…
      
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      December 7, 2016 1:11pm
    - Swifty
      
      Bain is as guilty as sin.
      
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      December 7, 2016 1:33pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Notsofast, Laniet we to stay with her Dad with a friend at Taiere for six weeks prior to the murders . To be sexually abused ?
      
      ATM machine withdrawal ? Forensic relevance ?
      
      Close contact head wound and none of Robins fingerprints on the bloody gun or magazine . ?David and Stephens were . ?
      
      Why ?
      
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      December 7, 2016 3:40pm
      - Notsofast
        
        It was a contact wound, that is not disputed by any one currently. The trajectory was exactly consistent with the most relaxed method of self delivery, gun butt on floor and leaning head in to muzzle. How can finger prints trump that? Was David Bain researching angles before persuading Robin to pose and be shot? ATM withdrawals at midnight show motive. They were shooting through after the scandal erupted. Robin denied the opportunity.
        
        Oh yes, if Collins knew all this she is an evil witch, if she didn’t she is a dumb witch.
        You want that mess for prime minister?
        
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        December 7, 2016 3:49pm
- GoVege
  
  Rubbish NSF.
  
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  December 7, 2016 12:24pm
- GoVege
  
  Notsofast:
  If the Bain massacre was a murder-suicide by Robin, why on earth would he go to the trouble of donning his son’s opera gloves?
  And wouldn’t it be a lot easier to shoot yourself if you removed the silencer first?
  Can you name another case where a person committing suicide put on gloves and shot themselves in the head with a rifle with silencer attached?
  
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  December 7, 2016 4:19pm
  - pentwig
    
    I am sorry daffy. I automaticely gave you a downtick instead of the reply button which had disappeared.
    For a change you are using your brain.
    Which daffy are you???
    
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    December 7, 2016 8:21pm
kowtow

Those Swedes are so lucky , they get so much of that enrichment……..

“The photos posted on Facebook in July 2015, show Iraqi citizen Raed Abdulkareem, 24, who sought asylum in Sweden in October that same year, posing next to a severed head on a plate and decapitated bodies. He claims to have fought for the Iraqi government against the Islamic State group.

The police discovered the photos while investigating Abdulkareem over robbery, for which he is currently serving a prison sentence.”

http://www.thelocal.se/20161206/swedish-court-jails-iraqi-for-war-crimes-after-facebook-post

I wonder if the Swedish police are making any progress over the shooting death of those two Somalis last week ?

The joys of multiculturalism , so much to embrace.
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December 7, 2016 8:13am
Lance

I was fence sitting about Judith Collins being PM until her interview on Paul Henry this morning.
She accurately described Winny as the real leader of the opposition.
Straight talking… now that’s a rare thing these days.

Judith for PM
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December 7, 2016 8:17am
- Tarquin North
  
  Her interview on Story lat night was similar. She leave no room for misinterpretation which will scare a lot of journalists something awful.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:43am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The problem with that Tarquin, is that the media will go full retard on her, and run every sob story, attack job or conspiracy theory that casts her in a bad light.
    
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    December 7, 2016 9:10am
    - stephieboy
      
      Could it be said that Judith is our answer to Donald Trump ?
      
      Could Bill English ( if elected PM ) ever trust someone like Judith as deputy ?
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:29am
      - pentwig
        
        Then you go and fuck up.
        How sad.
        
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        December 7, 2016 8:24pm
- waikatogirl
  
  I agree Lance, Judith was very convincing in her bid for the position of PM.
  
  If her colleagues can’t see that Judith is the only dynamic and talented candidate who can lead them through the next election then they deserve whatever happens.
  
  Judith would certainly wipe that grin off Angry’s face. I doubt electing Bill or Jonathon would have the same effect on him!
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:47am
- Rich Prick
  
  Judith for PM
  
  Words that will have Nicky Hager’s nappy hitting the floor with full force.
  
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  December 7, 2016 9:00am
- Fletch
  
  If Collins does become PM, at least we’ll be able to throw the accusation at anyone not voting for her in the next election as ‘sexist, misogynist”. That’s what the left would do, anyway. 😛
  
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  December 7, 2016 10:59am
holysheet

What is it about women and “brownie points”. My bank of “brownie points” must be just about spilling over the top. The sight of Scrooge Mc Duck swimming in all his money, come to mind.
But, do I ever get to “spend” these “brownie Points”? They have apparently been earned by my good self in the daily “Good” things I have done, that she, and only she, has deemed worthy of mention.

When I have the temerity to ask about redeeming some of my bank of “Brownie Points”,
the look from the bank manager would re-freeze the melting ice in her gin glass.

Do any of you other men have this problem?
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December 7, 2016 8:21am
- srylands
  
  No
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:30am
- cmm
  
  It is all supply and demand economics:
  
  Brownie points have an expiry date. They don’t last forever. If you stuff in 5 year’s worth of brownie points only the last week or two will actually count.
  
  Brownie have to be redeemed on a regular basis or their value goes down.
  
  Diamonds are only more valuable than other stones because their availability is controlled, creating a desire for said diamonds as well as a scarcity – driving their value up. If diamonds came with by the truck load they would just be transparent gravel.
  
  Generating too many brownie points reduces their value.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:48am
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    Any brownie points gained ALL disappear in one go when hubby displeases me.
    
    Start again and please try harder this time. ?
    
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    December 7, 2016 8:58am
    - cmm
      
      I notice that whenever I have to sleep on the ironing board I go into BP debt for a week or two…
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:28am
    - Garbageman
      
      Yep that my take on it as well regardless of how many brownie points you have it only takes one minor slip and the tally is reset back to zero so I find its best to have one foot in the dog box at all times sure makes life fun & somewhat unnerving at the same time
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I do not believe my husband is capable of such high-thinking calculations.
    
    He works on a lower level of sloth and general incompetence.
    Why work hard and achieve brownie points, when you can mess up a job and never get allowed anywhere near an axe, fire, ladder, shovel, paintbrush or vacuum cleaner again in your life?
    
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    December 7, 2016 10:46am
    - RF
      
      Maggy.
      
      I never knew my wife had a twin sister. Where have you been hiding ?
      
      In my case my list of….. “don’t you dare touch that again” is longer.
      
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      December 7, 2016 11:34am
      - Manolo
        
        We are talking triplets here….
        
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        December 7, 2016 11:46am
    - holysheet
      
      You forgot the dishwasher, iron, toilet cleaners and lawn mower.
      
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      December 7, 2016 11:39am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        ah, ha! The dishwasher…
        
        well that’s the hubby.
        
        I made sure that the first thing I pulled out of the kitchen when I moved to Gizzy was the dishwasher.
        Heck, I wasn’t going to reduce myself to loading and unloading dishwashers, when I could get the hubby stuck behind the kitchen sink for 30 mins or so each & every day.
        (I have perfected the skill of using multiple pots, pans and crockery to prepare & cook the most basic of meals).
        
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        December 7, 2016 12:03pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Maggy, you have a sneaky one like mine, it’s not incompetence, it is a clever plan so he’s never expected to do mundane jobs ever again by breaking everything he finds boring and tedious.
      
      It took me many years to cotton on, but he readily admits to it. They wonder why their brownie points are few and far between! ?
      
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      December 7, 2016 12:05pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I encouraged my children to completely trash the kitchen on mothers day so there were no repeats of the breakfast in bed nonsense, instilling the idea of a ‘don’t ever do / touch’ list very early on.
        
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        December 7, 2016 1:19pm
      - pentwig
        
        You are ladies of the most devious kind.
        My wife has the ability to use every pot and dish when cooking and not wash up as she is going.
        Now I cook. It is easier on my dish ridden hands.
        
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        December 7, 2016 8:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Pentwig , you sound delightful.
        
        Are you a good cook?
        Does your cutlery sparkle?
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:18pm
- jonno1
  
  You cannot redeem them for the simple reason that the maximum possible balance is 0 (zero). You can easily go into negative territory, but regardless of effort you cannot exceed zero. Get used to it.
  Waikatogirl’s point is valid also.
  The good news is that love conquers all.
  
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  December 7, 2016 9:21am
  - wally
    
    I have a friend who is a bit of a naughty boy. He steadily accumulates negative brownie points until he gets to his wife’s limit. He then goes and gets a trailer load of seaweed from the Kaikoura coast (they have a big garden in the country near ChCh) and his balance is then restored to zero. It always seemed like a good system to me.
    
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    December 7, 2016 9:31am
    - RF
      
      Owing to the road blocks after the Kaikoura quakes your friend may have to stay in his dog box for a bit longer.
      
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      December 7, 2016 11:37am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Plenty of new dirt to bring back on the trailer instead tho’
        
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        December 7, 2016 1:19pm
Manolo

Refugee madness:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4004480/Pictured-Afghan-migrant-17-modelled-gangsta-rappers-raped-murdered-EU-official-s-daughter-met-work-refugees.html
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December 7, 2016 8:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

Merkel now favours strict immigration entry to Germany and backs a Burqa ban
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/87284727/angela-merkel-call-for-burqa-ban-in-germany
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December 7, 2016 8:25am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Ah .. the duplicity of the progressive socialists
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:28am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  That is a weapons grade face palm.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:30am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    stephie must be lurking – downticks everywhere 🙂
    
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    December 7, 2016 8:36am
    - stephieboy
      
      GOOD MORNING MORON !
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:46am
- Inandout
  
  She has obviously got a call from the EU hierarchy, perhaps along the lines of, ‘Angela, this migrant thing has got out of hand. One of ours has lost a daughter, we simply mustn’t be affected by your actions; do something about it.’
  
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  December 7, 2016 9:02am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She has got the message from within her own party…
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/jens-spahn-emerging-as-conservative-adversary-to-merkel-a-1123652.html
    she is losing support from her colleagues
    
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    December 7, 2016 11:02am
- Manolo
  
  Too late. The damage she has done to Germany is and will be enormous!
  To let the Muslim hordes in was a monumental mistake.
  
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  December 7, 2016 9:53am
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    Manolo, this kind of enormous damage ?
    
    http://images.slideplayer.com/25/7928675/slides/slide_60.jpg
    
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    December 7, 2016 10:00am
  - GoVege
    
    Nah!
    It’s not too late.
    Ban the burqa, separate schools, sharia courts, polygamy.
    Basically educate the immigrants that only the mild form of Islam will be permitted.
    Or else they can return to their failed states and medieval beliefs.
    
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    December 7, 2016 12:40pm
- GoVege
  
  I like a leader who can admit they made a mistake.
  Time to show the developing world what civilization stands for: ban the burqa for starters.
  Our Judy is the gal to do it here!
  
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  December 7, 2016 12:33pm
- kowtow
  
  Elections looming.
  
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  December 7, 2016 2:07pm
- pentwig
  
  Wrong column Maggie cause the reply button disappears.
  I am an epicurian? and love cooking.
  Especially Korean and Mauritian.
  Both spicy, Korean hot and garlic, Mauritian just beautiful, especially fish.
  
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  December 7, 2016 9:59pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh yum, yum, … we are nearly a match.
    
    I’m pretty keen on Korean food… though I draw the line at eating dog… and I must admit the raw platter of abalone, sea squirt, sea cucumber, and conch at Jagalchi Market was a never-again experience.
    
    I don’t know anything about Mauritian food…. but hot spicy, garlic and fish sounds a winning combination.
    
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    December 7, 2016 10:23pm
Happychappy

I am really looking forward to the imaginary book of truths from Bomber Bradbury on the real reason “John Key Resigned “this has to be the dream of the fat craut as there would be better and people with a lot more creditable to push a story like this.You have to wonder about the brain cell power of some people that post on The Standard website.
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December 7, 2016 8:27am
Captain Mainwaring

Judging by Joyce’s comments to Hosking this morning don’t be surprised if his hat is in the ring by the end of the week.
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December 7, 2016 8:28am
- Lance
  
  Joyce for PM?
  That would go down like a shit sandwich
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:35am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Why?
    
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    December 7, 2016 8:47am
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      Because he’s a laughing stock?
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/content/dam/images/news/2016/02/05/it-was-a-little-bit-humorous-steven-joyce-on-dildo-attack.png.hashed.d6ce9654.desktop.story.inline.jpg
      
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      December 7, 2016 8:52am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        So assault is funny, eh Morrissey?
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:12am
      - Morrissey
        
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        So assault is funny, eh Morrissey?
        
        At least, unlike you, Mr Joyce laughed it off. In your humorlessness, you have lost all perspective.
        
        Just to clarify, my friend: Pulling a woman’s hair repeatedly, especially when she begs you to stop, is assault. Blowing smoke in a woman’s face when she asks you to stop smoking is assault. Punching someone in parliament, even someone as useless as Tau Henare, is assault.
        
        Throwing a dildo at a dickhead? No, that’s not assault.
        
        http://content-img.experienceproject.com/1289735011T17y02.jpg
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:30am
      - Lance
        
        Now Morrissey… please attempt to be honest for once
        IF John Key had thrown a dildo in Helen Clarks face while she was PM, would the sisterhood just have laughed it off… or would they have called it assault
        
        Now try to be honest here
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:45am
      - Garbageman
        
        “Throwing a dildo at a dickhead” the question is would anyone be able to discern the difference if said object was thrown at Morrissey’s head
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:54am
      - Morrissey
        
        Our good friend Lance asks:
        
        IF John Key had thrown a dildo in Helen Clarks face while she was PM, would the sisterhood just have laughed it off… or would they have called it assault
        
        Lance, I don’t think you quite understand the intent behind, and the message of, absurdist protests such as the one against Mr Joyce. It was to emphasize how he and his dismal cronies in the Key government had reduced politics in this country to a farce.
        
        Say what you like about Helen Clark, but she was a SERIOUS person and a competent politician. Key and his discredited cronies, like the ridiculous Steven Joyce, are regarded with contempt by a large section of the population. They don’t take politics seriously—they’re constantly bailing from serious radio interviews, for instance—so why should the public show them any respect?
        
        And dildo-throwing, or dildo-giving, is a fine way to express contempt for a group that is beneath contempt….
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltpJXLiYVBU
        
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        December 7, 2016 10:13am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Morrissey re dildo throwing: ‘blah blah blah…’ translation: It is different when the left do it
        
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        December 7, 2016 3:47pm
    - MCos
      
      I suppose anyone who choses the non de plume you have probably thinks Stephen Joyce is just the bee’s knees.
      
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      December 7, 2016 8:59am
    - Lance
      
      Sorry Capt while a great ‘get things done in the background’ kind of guy, you actually need charisma to be PM
      Joyce just doesn’t have it
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:41am
Tarquin North

I wonder how many lemons Rachel Stewart sucks before writing her column in the Horrid? Apart from the obvious effect on her face, the amount of vitriol and vindictiveness she attacks John Key with is quite scary. She makes Winston look almost sane.
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December 7, 2016 8:39am
- oldpark
  
  Lemons and “P” Certainly not Paeroa.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:55am
- cmm
  
  I think we have the MSM to blame for keeping quality people out of politics.
  
  Very few decent person would be prepared to put up with the straight out abuse you get from the MSM.
  
  Try to do a decent job and you just get vitriol from the MSM etc. Heck they even tolerate some “artist” singing about raping Key’s daughter. Tax funded organizations like RNZ have a duty to be impartial and informative instead of funding muppets like Hager.
  
  With shit like that it is surprising Key stuck it out as long as he did. I know I would not.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:58am
  - doggone7
    
    “Very few decent person would be prepared to put up with the straight out abuse you get from the MSM.”
    
    And the standard, quality and regularity of the straight out abuse in forums like this differs from the MSM standard how?
    
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    December 7, 2016 9:26am
    - cmm
      
      The difference is that the chattering classes have no “social contract” and have a limited platform.
      
      MSM have various press freedom privileges because they are supposed to be the “eyes and ears” of the people. With all rights come responsibilities and it is the MSM’s responsibility to inform people not to be activists. It certainly is not their place to act as a launchpad for personal attacks.
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:37am
    - Flash
      
      Good point.
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:42am
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm, what would you define as a quality person ?
    
    John Ansell, Vaughn Vocker , Kerry Bolton ?
    
    And does your definition of quality media include the NY Post , Infowars , Sun etc ?
    
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    December 7, 2016 9:34am
  - G152
    
    Easiest thing to do with the MSM is ignore it as does Trump…
    Have your own news outlet and let the pariahs die
    
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    December 7, 2016 10:30am
    - stephieboy
      
      G152, so you take Infowars and the NY Post seriously ?
      
      http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-02-01-1454344968-3054335-newyorkpostcover.jpg
      
      and ,
      
      https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_xTN1reQimI/maxresdefault.jpg
      
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      December 7, 2016 10:47am
Morrissey

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MEET THE CANDIDATES
No. 2: Dr. Jonathan Coleman

I don’t know if he harasses waitresses or fondles the hair of little girls, but this bloke is a real piece of work.

The Sunday Star Times reported yesterday that Dr Coleman had been punched after he allegedly blew his cigar smoke at a woman. Dr Coleman said there were two sides to every story, but he did not intend to press charges over the incident.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10413686
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December 7, 2016 8:46am
- burt
  
  I hear he once had a job outside of a union or a political party so he simply can’t be trusted.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:53am
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    No, the reason he can’t be trusted is because he is extremely unpleasant and aggressive towards women.
    
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    December 7, 2016 8:55am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Says the Hamas Hugger…
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:02am
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        You know, you’ve said I’m a “Hamas Hugger” several times over the last month or so. I presume it’s a smear?
        
        Why would you think I’m a Hamas supporter? Does everyone who supports human rights for the Palestinians become a “Hamas Hugger” according to your tiny mind?
        
        Do you know anything about Palestinian politics? Of course you don’t.
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:17am
      - All_on_Red
        
        It would be nice if Hamas supported Human Rights for Palestinians.
        
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        December 7, 2016 10:16am
      - Morrissey
        
        It would be nice if Hamas supported Human Rights for Palestinians.
        
        And it would be nice if the Australian regime supported human rights for Australians. And it would be nice if National supported human rights for New Zealanders.
        
        I guess that makes me an “Abo-hugger”, does it?
        
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        December 7, 2016 10:20am
    - Happychappy
      
      A bit like you without the stench.
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:05am
    - burt
      
      No, the reason he can’t be trusted is because he is extremely unpleasant and aggressive towards women.
      
      Does he defile young girls and call that behaviour excellent because some pedophile 1,600 years ago said it was excellent.
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:29am
      - Morrissey
        
        Is that an ACT cult thing you’re into there, burt?
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11210373
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:39am
    - dime
      
      lol what would he have been if a woman had blown smoke in his face and he punched her??
      
      in your world, is the woman who punched him aggressive? what about against men?
      
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      December 7, 2016 10:34am
Paulus

Coleman was actually a practicing medical General Practitioner.
A real worthy job.
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December 7, 2016 8:58am
- Morrissey
  
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  How many other doctors blow smoke in the faces of women?
  
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  December 7, 2016 9:18am
  - Flash
    
    “allegedly” blew –
    
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    December 7, 2016 9:44am
    - Morrissey
      
      “Allegedly blew”. That’s exactly the phrase used by Bill Clinton in 1998.
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:49am
Happychappy

If anyone had any doubts on the Lefts hate for John Key you only have to look at the ill informed comments on social media and the leaders of the oppositions speech on John Keys resignation debate in Parliament yesterday and in my opinion that does not mean much i doubt whether Winston, Little or the Obese Teddy Bear from the Greens cover themselves in any glory from their speech but i guess that’s their view and that’s democracy.
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December 7, 2016 8:58am
- MCos
  
  I’m not sure what exactly you were expecting from the Leader of the Opposition. His job in parliament is not to make speeches in praise of the Prime Minister’s policies and by default the government.
  The previous day, unlike Winston Peters, he was remarkably gracious.
  Social media is full of malcontents of all stripes and doesn’t represent the general public – thank God.
  
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  December 7, 2016 9:12am
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The National Party is starting to fall apart as Crusher Collins’s baleful influence takes hold
RNZ National, Wednesday 7 December 2016, 7:18 a.m.

MICHELLE BOAG: [defiantly] We have populated the caucus with really good talent.

….

GUYON ESPINER: Would Judith Collins be fit to be prime minister of New Zealand?

MICHELLE BOAG: [awkward pause I don’t want to comment on other pretenders to the the role….

An hour later, Susie Ferguson interviewed Collins’ nemesis, Nicky Hager and then Judith Collins herself. The Collins interview was (unintentional) comedy gold. We’ll put the transcript of both interviews up ASAP.
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December 7, 2016 9:14am
- Nermal
  
  I think Boag’s opinion is another good reason to support Collins.
  
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  December 7, 2016 11:16am
- starboard
  
  Falling apart lol..it’s called re-grouping dickhead.
  Liarbore has had many re-grouping sessions since Hulun departed with her tits in a tangle..and they still can’t get it right. After next years election, Liarbore will do another re-group because Liarbore will certainly lose and Stuart Little will be chucked on the scrapheap of other decaying corpses who sat in the Liarbore hot seat for a smidgen of time.
  
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  December 7, 2016 2:27pm
  - Morrissey
    
    LOL. “We’re not falling apart, we’re regrouping.”
    
    http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/rats.gif
    
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    December 7, 2016 4:04pm
burt

Breaking news;

Cameron Slater making a pitch to be PM. More soon….
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December 7, 2016 9:18am
- Morrissey
  
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  Well, if one highly unpleasant, clueless, science-denying, racist, woman-hating thug can do it in the United States, why not in New Zealand?
  
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  December 7, 2016 9:20am
  - burt
    
    Are you running too ?
    
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    December 7, 2016 9:30am
    - Morrissey
      
      Good one burt!
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:40am
Richard

I want Bill#
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December 7, 2016 9:31am
Manolo

Mamma Merkel wants to eff Germany for longer:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/global-crises-rage-merkel-makes-case-fourth-term-134631396.html
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December 7, 2016 9:42am
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What someone collapsing under pressure looks like

She’s already losing her temper and calling people names….

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/319800/collins-hager-is-trying-to-scaremonger
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December 7, 2016 9:48am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Sounds like Judith Collins is your worst nightmare Morrissey.
  
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  December 7, 2016 11:10am
  - Morrissey
    
    Actually, she’s the National Party’s worst nightmare. Maybe you missed this tense little exchange on RNZ National at 7:18 this morning….
    
    GUYON ESPINER: Would Judith Collins be fit to be prime minister of New Zealand?
    
    MICHELLE BOAG: [awkward pause] I don’t want to comment on other pretenders to the role….
    
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    December 7, 2016 4:11pm
Dave Mann

I’ve just heard Winston Peters on RadioLive talking to the shouty idiot who hosts the morning show…. and he made a whole lot of sense on so many subjects (economic storm brewing, National’s race based policies and focus, possibility of an early election etc).

Also Peters very cleverly avoided endorsing Judith Collins as a choice for National leader, saying that ‘none of the people in the race have ever figured on the’ preferred prime minister’ polls’.

I’m going to get lots of downticks for saying this (because Kiwibloggers hate the man)…. but watch out for Winston Peters next year, because I think he talks for a huge proportion of sane people who don’t want the country continually given over to greenies, Maoris and money speculators. He articulates the policy and philosophy that used to be the National party before they capitulated to the left.
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December 7, 2016 10:02am
- GoVege
  
  I like the way he calls the Maori Party what it is: racist.
  
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  December 7, 2016 10:19am
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    No, the National Party is racist, and the ACT Party is racist. To give credit where credit is due, however, National is not pro-incest.
    
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    December 7, 2016 10:24am
    - GoVege
      
      I know NZ is a quietly racist society, Morrissey.
      But you don’t fight racism with more racism.
      Maori need to step up and start supporting and educating their children for a better future, not clinging to damaging old customs.
      Expecting pakeha society to support them and their kids is child-like behaviour that is beneath them.
      
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      December 7, 2016 11:10am
      - Morrissey
        
        “Quietly racist”?!!??!?
        
        Have you listened to the likes of Mike Hosking, Don Brash, Garth McVicar, Deborah Coddington and David Round?
        
        And how “quietly” racist was THIS bloke?….
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNdk7Hsj_R0
        
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        December 7, 2016 4:16pm
      - GoVege
        
        Some obviously not so quietly, Morrissey!
        But sometimes it’s better to know what people really think, rather than have them back-stabbing you in secret.
        
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        December 7, 2016 7:30pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sorry Dave, he is a bitter, vindictive old fool who is grumpy because every PM in the last 25 years has occupied the space he thought was his. He hates Key because he was the man who kept him away from the top job for another 8 years.
  Irrespective of who the next PM is the most likely outcome is a National/NZ First coalition which might not be a bad thing after his demise and Shane Jones takes over.
  
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  December 7, 2016 10:54am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I can’t tick you either way because I agree with you that a National/NZF coalition with Shane Jones would be a good result… but I can’t agree that Winston Peters is a bitter vindictive grumpy old fool, sorry. Peters is a very smart political operator who has been there for yonks – but yes, NZF does need to cultivate more people because he can’t last forever.
    
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    December 7, 2016 11:21am
  - Morrissey
    
    Speaking of bitter, vindictive fools….
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/319800/collins-hager-is-trying-to-scaremonger
    
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    December 7, 2016 4:17pm
    - pentwig
      
      Good grief!
      When are you allowed back at the stranded?
      Your moronic tirades are becoming tiresome.
      Understand that you are a total loser.
      Try and aspire for a better life by doing it yourself.
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:11pm
      - Gabby
        
        Your merkin itching is it?
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:41pm
- Happychappy
  
  Hate is something for the left,i don’t like his ethic’s or his lies you cant blame others for doing the same thing he does. You go look at his speech on John Key yesterday he had obviously been drinking or he was unable to focus on what his notes said and saying that Winston used to speak well.
  
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  December 7, 2016 10:55am
Manolo

The Mafia fades away:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-12-06/chicago-faces-political-power-outage-as-trump-succeeds-obama

Nowhere will political power evaporate more dramatically at noon on Jan. 20 than in Chicago, the third-largest U.S. city, a bastion of Democratic power that’s enjoyed special access to Washington during President Barack Obama’s eight years in the White House.
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December 7, 2016 10:06am
- Morrissey
  
  What an ignorant post, Manolo. Do you have any idea of Rudy Giuliani’s background? No you don’t.
  
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  December 7, 2016 10:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Please explain….
    
    I don’t get how Giuliani fits into the Chicago picture.
    
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    December 7, 2016 10:29am
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggy W , this skeleton closet of his might help for starters ,
      
      http://realchange.org/giuliani.htm#dad
      
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      December 7, 2016 10:55am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No stephieboy, that explains nothing about Giuliani and the current state of Chicago’s political relationship with Washington.
        (and that was the subject of Manolo’s posting)
        
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        December 7, 2016 11:10am
      - Sideoiler
        
        I don’t get how Giuliani fits into the Chicago picture.
        
        I think Chicago was the key to the question stephieboy.
        
        After viewing link you posted I am none the wiser as to Rudy Giuliani’s Chicago career.
        
        I suspect who Morrissey meant was Rahm Emanual, and yet he accused Manolo of posting in ignorance.
        How odd.
        
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        December 7, 2016 11:13am
      - Manolo
        
        Nothing to do with Giuliani, my multicultural Muslim friend.
        
        The note deals with the waning influence of Chicago in American politics. Read again.
        
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        December 7, 2016 11:18am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @sideoiler
        
        Yes, I agree…Morrissey seems to be confused as to where Guiliani had influence.
        
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        December 7, 2016 11:31am
      - rangitoto
        
        Maggy wrote “Yes, I agree…Morrissey seems to be confused…”
        
        You didn’t need to add any more Maggy. That’s Morris dancer’s permanent state.
        
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        December 7, 2016 12:24pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Guiliani isn’t even mentioned in that story Morrissey, so I’m not quite sure what your point is, short of trying to demonise him as a Trump supporter.
    
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    December 7, 2016 11:20am
    - stephieboy
      
      Keeping Stock, I believe that Manolo was suggesting that the Mafia was behind the Chicago Democrat power base which is interesting given Guiliani’s Mafia associations . Trump too.
      
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      December 7, 2016 12:30pm
      - Manolo
        
        Your understanding abilities are not very developed, stephieboy. Just stick to the Quran, mate.
        
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        December 7, 2016 12:35pm
    - Morrissey
      
      His reign of terror while mayor of New York City made the mafia seem humane in comparison. But, yes, he is mob-connected….
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963986/Rudy-Giuliani-s-father-felon-mob-ties-book-claims.html
      
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      December 7, 2016 4:21pm
mara

Did you notice how badly Winnie’s hands were shaking yesterday? How long will he last and is there anyone in his Party with credibility to take over?
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December 7, 2016 10:19am
- Keeping Stock
  
  There are two possible explanations for that Mara; early onset Parkinsons, or Delirium Tremens. Neither would surprise.
  
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  December 7, 2016 11:16am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Peters is 71 years old, not sure it would count as early onset anything.
    
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    December 7, 2016 3:54pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Dementia??
      
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      December 7, 2016 8:48pm
rangitoto

Prime Minister Crusher Collins has a good ring to it. It will be fun to see the Greebore loons squawking even louder than normal.
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December 7, 2016 11:01am
stigie

The bitterness that Winston has for Key is the fact i believe that Key said he would not have him in any government that he leads. That was a huge kick in the arse for Peter’s because he thought he had a right to be in government and to be refused like that was too much to take !~
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December 7, 2016 11:06am
PhilP

That’s right stigie. I well remember JK saying back in 2008 that he couldn’t trust him to be a stable partner in Govt. Winnie has been bitter ever since towards John Key and just will not let go. This grudge of JK will go with him to his grave.
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December 7, 2016 11:12am
cha

PEOTUSA tweets, wipes a $billion.

At the mere threat of Trump canceling his order on the latest model of the presidential jet, Boeing’s stock plummeted. At Tuesday’s opening bell, Boeing stocks were down 0.86 percent and had slid more than 1 percent in early trading. Though that may not sound all that steep, with a market cap at $93 billion, even a 1 percent decline is significant for Boeing.

Moreover, Politico reported, Trump’s tweet seems to have misquoted the actual projected cost of the Boeing 747. Air Force One estimated it would cost $1.65 billion to build two new jets — about $825 million per aircraft.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/665717/donald-trump-threatened-twitter-cancel-4-billion-boeing-contract-boeings-stock-immediately-dropped
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December 7, 2016 11:14am
- dime
  
  boeing is trading at $152.24.. its 52 week high is $153.75.
  
  it was at 152 on the 4th, peaked at 153.75 on the 5th and is down again.
  
  big fucking whoop.
  
  if you want to see value destroyed by a tweet – check the pharma stocks who dropped 12%+ when hillary tweeted a year ago. they only bounced back the day after the election.
  
  or if you want an example closer to home – look what labour & the gweens did to sabotage the power companies share float.
  
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  December 7, 2016 11:34am
  - stigie
    
    ” look what labour & the gweens did to sabotage the power companies share float.”
    Yes Dime, and the twats still think they are justified in doing what they did and i think there was a billion Dollars less from the floats than they should have got.
    Funny, now the government gets bigger dividends from just owning 51% than 100% !~
    
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    December 7, 2016 12:24pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And our power’s cheaper as well.
      Funny how private capital outperforms Government money every time.
      
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      December 7, 2016 1:20pm
Manolo

Ah, the ungrateful. Bringing barbarism to Holland:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4002118/Rival-gangs-migrants-throw-chairs-arm-smashed-furniture-battle-Dutch-asylum-centre.html

Rival gangs of migrants attacked each other with tables and chairs during a shocking riot at a Dutch asylum centre.
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December 7, 2016 11:37am
- GoVege
  
  Be nice to know WHY.
  Could it be one lot were Shia and the other Sunni?
  I wonder how the different Muslim sects get along here?
  Time we were all educated about who we’re letting in I reckon.
  
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  December 7, 2016 1:54pm
  - Gabby
    
    Nobody wants to be the bummee.
    
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    December 7, 2016 9:25pm
JasonJohns

Radio New Zealand continues its exposes of crimes by white people
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/201825485/new-zealand-and-the-pacific-slave-trade
But is the history invented or real?
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December 7, 2016 12:15pm
- holysheet
  
  This is what surprises me about the USA. Why do so many blacks vote for the democrats. It was the Republicans in the north who forced the Democratic south to give up their slaves. They obviously don’t know their counties history.
  
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  December 7, 2016 1:10pm
  - GoVege
    
    True, but perhaps the Republicans have been resting on their laurels for 150 years?
    
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    December 7, 2016 1:45pm
- GoVege
  
  Maybe the trial can be found on Papers Past.
  Fascinating story.
  An evil-looking dude.
  But surely surpassed in devilishness by the captain who took a ship load of warriors over to the Chathams a few decades earlier.
  
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  December 7, 2016 1:42pm
- BeeSting
  
  Boo Hoo Hoo
  Big Deal what do you want an Apology from
  all White People.
  
  How many people in NZ are related to anyone
  who had anything to do with this
  
  is it .000000001% or
  .0000000000000000001%
  
  For white people to free anyone they have to be
  free themselves don’t they? ever though about that?
  
  What were the Polynesians incl Maori practicing
  before the big bad white christians arrived
  
  Cannibalism slavery continual warfare
  
  GET a GRIP on REALITY
  
  Are you going to do a bleat on all the
  White people sent to Aus for Religious or political reasons
  
  no you are not are you
  
  Are you going to tell us how may of their own
  they would slaughter in one day?
  
  of course not
  
  Maori got a better deal off the Crown and still
  have a better deal than the White Scots or Irish
  
  Boo hoo hoo sob sob
  Boo Hoo Hoo get over it folks
  
  We all have
  
  All European Society is based on a struggle
  against slavery
  
  Ever thought about that
  and guess what
  
  It has started up again and has been going for
  a long time
  
  And you Chinese Commie Buddies
  whose butts you are all kissing
  
  Still practice cannibalism
  
  READ
  
  because that who has been
  
  RUNNING YOUR COUNTRY
  
  http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/asia/china-organ-harvesting/
  
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  December 7, 2016 10:46pm
David Farrar

PSA: I do not normally confirm who is or is not a poster here. Trevor Mallard has asked me to confirm that he only posts here as Trevor Mallard (and very infrequently) and is not ztev. I can confirm this.
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December 7, 2016 12:17pm
- PhilP
  
  There goes all our fun then!
  
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  December 7, 2016 12:29pm
  - itstricky
    
    And let the apologies commence.
    
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    December 7, 2016 12:30pm
  - stigie
    
    Bugger, lets all eat humblepie !~
    
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    December 7, 2016 12:33pm
    - GoVege
      
      Make sure you grovel appropriately.
      
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      December 7, 2016 1:46pm
- holysheet
  
  Oh well that’s one liabore member we can rule out.
  Next on the list will be that twit twyford.
  ztev is twitford.
  If we keep this up, we can by a process of elimination, get to know who it is.
  
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  December 7, 2016 12:50pm
  - Swifty
    
    Heh.
    
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    December 7, 2016 1:35pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Would the next person please step forward. Yes marquess, we’re looking at you!
  
  And I imagine Trevor is welcome back here for a good quality discussion anytime 🙂
  
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  December 7, 2016 1:40pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I think I commented yesterday that the assumption that Trevor Mallard or Jacinda Ardern would comment here under a pseudonym is ludicrous.
    Why would they do so when the could be outed by DPF at any moment? What would they gain from anonymity, even if it could be maintained?
    
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    December 7, 2016 2:09pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      DPF outing people?.
      Examples of him doing this would be great if you have some.
      
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      December 7, 2016 2:30pm
    - holysheet
      
      There are 2 factual errors in you comment Milky.
      The first is that you think, and the second that DPF would ever out anyone on KB.
      
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      December 7, 2016 3:01pm
    - James Stephenson
      
      You’re assuming DPF would know their real identity to out them.
      
      I bet Trev doesn’t use his parliamentary email address on Ashley Madison either. 😀
      
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      December 7, 2016 3:12pm
      - mikenmild
        
        He doesn’t need to go by the email address – he can also see what the IP address is for the computer posting.
        Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that DPF would out someone – just that an MP would be very unlikely to take that sort of risk to make inane comments on a blog.
        
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        December 7, 2016 4:33pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Brings me back to, why would ZTev allow the myth to continue without denial.
  
  I get the fun that can be had having troll and pulling the wool over the eyes of my other posters, but surely some pride enters the equation.
  
  Would you really want to be associated with Trev??
  
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  December 7, 2016 3:11pm
- Kimbo
  
  DPF, you fun-spoiling bastard! 😉
  
  Do you intend telling your newborn at the first chance there is no Santa?
  
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  December 7, 2016 3:14pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Sorry Trev (not really)
  
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  December 7, 2016 6:49pm
KevinH

Gareth Morgan announces a capital gains tax:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11762096

Morgan, who’s holding a media conference in Auckland this morning to comment on the policy, said there’s a big pool of untaxed income represented by the benefits derived from the equity people have in their houses and other wealth they’ve accumulated yet that wealth produces no or very little taxable income.

The kicker:
It isn’t a capital gains tax, he said. “It’s much more efficient and fair than that.”

Edit:
It’s a capital gains tax Gareth.

Gareth has targeted pensioners:
The policy suggests stepping the required minimum taxable earnings rate up over a few years so asset owners have time to adjust and allowing pensioners who own their homes to pay the tax via a mortgage with the Inland Revenue Department, payable on a change of ownership.

Edit:
Gareth has taken leave of his senses by suggesting that freehold pensioners on a fixed income should take a mortgage out with Inland Revenue.
NZ First will be loving this.
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December 7, 2016 12:37pm
- Manolo
  
  Morgan is plumbing new depths of moronity. What a colossal imbecile!
  
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  December 7, 2016 12:46pm
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Just a foretaste of what will happen when he becomes the Beloved Leader of the Peoples Benevolent Democratic Republic of North and South Zealand,for life.
  Along with a free How to cook ur Cat Recipe book.
  
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  December 7, 2016 1:13pm
- Nostradamus
  
  I have a feeling that Penny might not like this policy. She’s already sitting pretty in a high-value home, doesn’t pay her rates, and (so she tells us) earns less than the tax-free threshold.
  
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  December 7, 2016 1:43pm
  - stigie
    
    Not much use having a high-value hovel when you have a low volume of unpaid water Nostra..?
    
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    December 7, 2016 2:06pm
waikatogirl

Gareth is as flakey as my cat!
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December 7, 2016 12:47pm
- itstricky
  
  He likes flakey cat. With a touch of chilli and fried shallots.
  
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  December 7, 2016 5:19pm
starboard

Morgan is bat shit crazy. That’s a sure vote winner ppfftt.
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December 7, 2016 1:09pm
Captain Mainwaring

Obviously the man’s target voter base is those supporters of NZ first who are in the dementia ward, no longer own a house and want to punish their more fortunate friends who do.
What an utter clown.
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December 7, 2016 1:29pm
Happychappy

If i was Judith Collins i would call Hagar’s bluff if i lost out on the Leadership battle. As he has stated to the public he has more dirt to release on her but cannot release it at the present time,i would ask the court in view of public interest to have it release now. This has been his argument of why the stolen emails should be used so no Judge should be able to rule again’st a ruling that he has been able to use in his cases. I might be wrong but it could put a spanner in his quest to release another book to influence another Election.
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December 7, 2016 1:58pm
- Morrissey
  
  I might be wrong but it could put a spanner in his quest to release another book to influence another Election.
  
  That’s about the most bewildered statement I’ve seen on Kiwiblog this year. Quite an achievement.
  
  And, yes, you most definitely ARE wrong.
  
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  December 7, 2016 5:24pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Why would i be wrong the unethical journalist is a germ and makes his money on stolen information and sooner or later he will slip up and will be taken to the cleaners.
    
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    December 7, 2016 7:29pm
Manolo

A plum job maybe?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11762219

Outgoing Prime Minister John Key has been tipped as a potential candidate to head the International Monetary Fund, an appointment signed off by US President Barack Obama.
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December 7, 2016 2:00pm
- mikenmild
  
  Seems unlikely that a man who has just resigned to spend more time with his wife would be signing up for a demanding international role.
  
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  December 7, 2016 2:11pm
  - William of Ockham
    
    Maybe he’s resigned to be famous.
    
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    December 7, 2016 4:20pm
- SPC
  
  More likely a board role – World Bank Governors etc.
  
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  December 7, 2016 5:25pm
Manolo

Crusher speaks:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/national-needs-change-to-win-collins/ar-AAle0AL?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

National can’t win next year’s general election unless there is a change says Judith Collins who believes she is that change.

“My belief is this party will not lead coming into or going out of that election 2017 if we continue to do exactly the same thing with the same people,” she told TV3’s Paul Henry programme.

But she criticised her challengers saying a party led by Mr English would be “John Key without John Key” while she doesn’t believe Dr Coleman has the profile for the job.
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December 7, 2016 2:20pm
Stars And Stripes

Married couple blast public pools for getting hot under collar about kiss
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11762213.
“At one point his wife swam up to him in the main pool, threw her arms around his neck and gave him a quick kiss.
Within seconds a lifeguard approached the couple and told the couple – reportedly aged 59 and 25 – to stop their amorous behaviour.”

Dirty old goat.
Lifeguard probably thought it was his grand daughter.
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December 7, 2016 2:20pm
- Morrissey
  
  Or an ACT supporter.
  
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  December 7, 2016 4:48pm
doggone7

Did Parmjeet Parmar get to ask a patsy question in Parliament yesterday or today?
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December 7, 2016 2:47pm
- Morrissey
  
  The whips better watch out or that husband of hers might come and start shoving them.
  
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  December 7, 2016 5:22pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    You get turned on by a bit of violence, do you Morrissey?
    
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    December 7, 2016 5:58pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Some violence is fine…
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUdYgBhF9-w
      
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      December 7, 2016 6:22pm
Jack5

Scott Watson gets his meeting with Olive Hope’s father, and Mr Hope, after the meeting says he doesn’t accept that Watson is innocent.

Throw away the cell key!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/87285813/gerald-hopes-behindbars-meeting-with-convicted-murderer-scott-watson-takes-place-after-decadelong-wait
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December 7, 2016 2:49pm
Happychappy

Again today Winston shows the bottle has got to him with another display of a mumbled speech when answering questions and then demanding a apology from a dig from Chris Finlayson on Peters work history. What a bigot he is as it is all right for him to make degrading statements and not so true facts about others with Parliamentary Privilege and be a cry baby when someone is given the opportunity to get one back.
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December 7, 2016 3:32pm
- Pateke
  
  He is certainly looking shaky. A year of this might kill him. why not retire? Never made it to top dog. Never will. But still leaks on every shrub as he wanders around the precinct.
  
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  December 7, 2016 4:25pm
Jack5

Prominent historian Niall Ferguson admits he was wrong in opposing Brexit, and lists the EU’s failures.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4006324/I-wrong-Brexit-Britain-s-influential-historian-Niall-Ferguson-says-mistake-backing-Remain-campaign-says-EU-deserved-result.html
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December 7, 2016 4:35pm
SPC

Spreading alt media news stories makes you unfit for a job in DC (exception Trump himself)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38231532
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December 7, 2016 4:49pm
- itstricky
  
  Scary. EAD for National Security Advisor, anyone?
  
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  December 7, 2016 5:24pm
Reid

Russian Defense Ministry on the bombardment of the Russian hospital in Aleppo by “opposition groups”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub5azZPSXjE

As he says, same as I said yesterday, blood is on the hands of all the people who support the patrons of the Syrian terrorists and guess what sheeple, this means you.
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December 7, 2016 6:07pm
- mikenmild
  
  No blood on Russian hands, of course…
  
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  December 7, 2016 6:17pm
  - Reid
    
    Of course there is mm, it’s a war. It’s a war they didn’t start and it’s a war where they’re fighting on the good guy side, against the baddie terrorists, but it’s a war.
    
    Of course, idiot sheeple don’t compute this. Idiot sheeple who just read that will be thinking right now, aren’t you, that Wussia supports the evil meanie Assad! And that makes them a baddie! Doesn’t it!!!! Aren’t you.
    
    But who the fuck told you Assad was a big bad meanie in the first place? Why, it’s the very same media who forgot to tell you who was supporting the real meanies, ISIS. Wasn’t it.
    
    Fuck sheeple are the biggest dumbfucks ever in history, I reckon. Aren’t they, mm.
    
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    December 7, 2016 6:53pm
    - nasska
      
      By most yardsticks Assad is a cruel tyrant but his fiefdom is in the Middle East…..not the USA & not in New Zealand.
      
      By Islamic norms he is a firm but benevolent father figure to his people.
      
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      December 7, 2016 7:05pm
      - Reid
        
        How come most Syrians like him? How come when the terrorist areas are liberated all the civilians flock to the Syrian Army positions.
        
        Just cos Western media says its so nasska, don’t make it so mate.
        
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        December 7, 2016 7:09pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Um, Assad is a baddie. Doesn’t make his enemies goodies, but don’t start imagining he is some noble force.
      
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      December 7, 2016 7:06pm
      - Reid
        
        I don’t mm but he’s not who Western media says he is, either. Whereas that’s exactly what you think, by the words you just used.
        
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        December 7, 2016 7:10pm
      - nasska
        
        Reid & Mike
        
        My point is that we are judging a ME ruler by our standards. John Key Assad is not but it doesn’t mean that he is not well regarded by the vast majority of Syrian people.
        
        They can see the alternatives & may prefer the relative safety & prosperity Assad affords when compared with the alternative of ISIS.
        
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        December 7, 2016 7:20pm
      - Reid
        
        Which rather gives the lie to the West’s claim of the urgency with which Assad must go for the good of the Syrian people, doesn’t it.
        
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        December 7, 2016 7:34pm
      - mikenmild
        
        How on Earth do either of you imagine that Assad is supported by the Syrian people?
        
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        December 7, 2016 7:41pm
      - Reid
        
        The last election’s a clue mm.
        
        Another clue is the behaviour of the civilians when they’re liberated.
        
        How many more do you need?
        
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        December 7, 2016 7:50pm
      - nasska
        
        To paraphrase a rather popular saying of late Mike…..perfection is the enemy of acceptable. Even I, knowing what Assad is like, would far prefer to live in his Syria than a Muslim or Christian theocracy.
        
        Maybe in the future a better alternative will present itself but for now pragmatism is a virtue.
        
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        December 7, 2016 8:03pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Last election. Snigger. Can’t argue with 89%, can you?
        
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        December 7, 2016 8:09pm
    - Reid
      
      UN supervised and approved mm. Strange how sometimes some people pay attention to that, and other times they ignore it, depending on the country. Perhaps they just don’t know how to think properly.
      
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      December 7, 2016 8:37pm
Fletch

That’s it folks.

Michigan Court of Appeals stops recount, says Jill Stein is not an aggrieved candidate.

http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/12/06/open-and-shut-michigan-court-of-appeals-stops-recount-says-jill-stein-is-not-an-aggrieved-candidate/

The b*tch was starting to really annoy me…
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December 7, 2016 6:18pm
- nasska
  
  The dead can go back to their graves & sleep until the Democrats need their votes again.
  
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  December 7, 2016 6:27pm
- Fletch
  
  Although, they still have to meet with a judge on wednesday…. grrrr.
  
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  December 7, 2016 6:58pm
Manolo

Aussie economy faces headwinds. RBA to cut official rate:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/dec/07/australian-economy-dollar-tumbles-after-worse-than-expected-gdp-figures-live

Australia’s GDP shrank by 0.5% in the September quarter – only the fourth such decline in 25 years.
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December 7, 2016 6:32pm
Steve (North Shore)

I was at, in and flew over Pearl Harbour in July 2015.
Overwhelming.
Don’t ever piss off Americans.
I think Hillary is pissed off with the Election as are the sooky liberals, but the Don is going to do the job in quite a different way
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December 7, 2016 6:40pm
Reid

My current hypothesis on who stephie is, is he’s Barry Soper. But this guy here is a strong candidate as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIh4izAZaH8
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December 7, 2016 7:07pm
Reid

This is interesting. The beginning of the end of the New Gutenburg Press.

Somebody doesn’t like free speech.

If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/giants-cooperate-removal-extremist-content-235718358–finance.html
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December 7, 2016 7:27pm
- mikenmild
  
  Free speech does not mean forcing private business to publish bullshit…
  
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  December 7, 2016 7:44pm
  - Reid
    
    No is doing that now mm so what are you talking about?
    
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    December 7, 2016 7:48pm
Reid

The fallout from the Trump tweet on Boeing.

Doesn’t this guy know anything?

Of course he does, so why did he do it?

https://www.rt.com/usa/369401-trump-tweet-boeing-stock/
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December 7, 2016 7:47pm
EAD

Good ol Pat Condell and his latest rant about “illegal criminal invaders”

Pat says

“We will use our democracy…to remove the treacherous cowardly politicians who have allowed you to poison our society…and to elect people who will change the law to something resembling sanity so that it’s no longer possible for activist judges to let predatory scum like you remain on European soil…when your worthless criminal arses are deported back to that cesspit you crawled out of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9e_vcSut0A

Pat Condell, bless him, has terrific passion; he rightly pours weapons-grade vitriol on Muslim immigrants masquerading as refugees; he clearly loves western civilisation and despises what is happening to it. Yet he will never actually quite wake up to what is staring him in the face. He’s nearly there, but something prevents him from taking that last step, and he never will. He regularly lambasts the “Globalists” and the “New World Order”, and he knows full well that Clinton and Obama and Cameron and Merkel et al are or were bought and paid for by them. Yet he never stops banging on about ‘democracy’ – as if the NWO regard that as any kind of threat to their hegemony. He hates Progressivism and PC, and he rails against the Grand Project of open borders and uninhibited trade, but then he praises Israel and simperingly draws attention to how frightfully clever the Jews are.

And as in this latest offering above, he rightly condemns Islamic immigration, but fails to understand who pushes hardest for Muslims to be brought here. Instead, he persuades himself that “democracy” will deliver us from all our woes, but he can’t quite see that it will never do so, because it was never designed to serve the wishes and interests of ‘the people’.

Democracy is owned, lock, stock and barrel, by (((The Powers That Be))). They buy and install their chosen party leaders, hedging their bets to ensure both contenders belong to them, thus giving the purblind electorate (and of course, Pat Condell) the illusion of an actual choice. They also own the media, which acts as both their brainwashing faculty, and in emergencies (Trump, Brexit) as their attack dogs.

With very rare exceptions, the “electorate” will never have the chance to vote for politicians who reflect their wishes, and who therefore would be prepared to send these invaders back. Even if one or two slipped through the net, it would only be a temporary pause, until the next election, when (((they))) would get their way once more. They play the long game, and temporary setbacks are all taken in (((their))) stride.

The solution, my brothers and sisters, should be neither looked for nor expected within the sham we have been sold known as democracy. Can anyone discern Revolution twinkling in the golden light of dawn?
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December 7, 2016 8:15pm
- mikenmild
  
  What should we do about those Jews, EAD?
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:28pm
- Reid
  
  I think you over-emphasise the Jewish nature of the people involved EAD. I call them the Synagogue of Satan, others the Khazarian Mafia but the point is these people don’t represent Jews anymore than Christians represent the Inquisitors.
  
  They use Judaism as a convenient network just like they use Masonry and other secret societies like Skull and Bones, that’s how I see it.
  
  I subscribe to Makow’s worldview at the same time and for those unaware, he elucidates the religious aspect of Judaism as it is practiced today in terms of its Satanic origins and practices. That’s hard for Christians to behold in a Judeo-Christian society but nevertheless facts are facts and if you don’t know them, educate yourself.
  
  But the people at the top, the Satanic architects, aren’t all Jews and they aren’t evil because Judaism made them, they’re evil because they don’t have a soul and that’s a whole other issue.
  
  All the rest is simple, venal, human corruption of one kind or another.
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:50pm
- EAD
  
  Good ol Milkmaid,
  
  about as funny as a fart in an elevator,
  about as dim as a Toc-H lamp
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:52pm
- Griff
  
  Shit oh dear EAD
  You know your hero trump
  his appointment list is full of the very globalist you so despise.
  Guys like Myron Ebell are fully paid up members of the global elites influence network. They are owned lock stock and barrel by the very forces you think you are against.
  http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute
  Have a look who owns the MSM most aligned towards your world view
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch
  Runs the sources of your miss information .
  Low info ignorant nazi .
  
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  December 7, 2016 9:05pm
Awww C-mon

Rant Warning:

I am so fucking over two things that I want to scream, choke some deserving fucker until their eyeballs pop and generally go on a fucking rampage in the offices of our so called media

1/ I don’t give a flying fuck about your opinion piece in your shit arse rag telling me what the government has to do next or how to fix x problem and y result. If you are so fucking clever put your name on the mother fucking ballot or shut the fuck up and actually report the fucking news, not what jo and Joanne cunt features at the next desk think.

2/ Facts, post truth world my arse. Lazy cunt who can’t accept shit world is a better description. Any those useless pieces of shit who fill my Facebook news feed with regurgitated shite from these broken arse ‘news’ organisations can all go get fucked too. You are all fucking retards.

Oh and while I’m going…. unions. What a bunch of despicable fucks with no morality at all. Raping and pillaging the very people that are supposed to help. Line those cunts up and shoot the lot of them.

Rant Over:

Disclaimer: I don’t actually condone violence, torture or killing. Ranting for mental health is great fun

Disclaimer 2: While I don’t condone those things, if it’s a case of me or you… it’s you
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December 7, 2016 8:29pm
- nasska
  
  You’ve got to stop internalising things Awww C-mon. 🙂
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:40pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Thanks for the advice Nasska, a problem shared… is 5mins of some other poor bastards time taken up
    
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    December 7, 2016 8:43pm
Gabby

Somebody plump squawwwwkie’s cushions, he’s screeched himself unconscious again.
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December 7, 2016 8:39pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Gabster!
  
  I have a treat for you tonight! Dress up in this here lambs costume I stole from Silver Fern farms marketing division.
  Then we are going to pretend that your head is stuck in this 150mm netting and when Johnboy turns up… well you know the rest lambie
  
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  December 7, 2016 8:47pm
  - nasska
    
    A moment of ecstasy & then…..dog tucker.
    
    Dead sheep tell no tales! 🙂
    
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    December 7, 2016 8:54pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Meh, if you need to.
      
      I was prepping Gabby for a big night in hagly Friday. Going to dress it up as D4J and leave it tied to a tree… interesting to see what develops
      
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      December 7, 2016 9:00pm
      - stigie
        
        It’s the south west corner of Hagley Awww C M where all the action will be, you wont have to wait around long, something will develop in no time !~
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:24pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Cheers Stigie, sounds like you know it well ??
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:26pm
      - stigie
        
        Does seem that way Awww but a certain shoe salesman knows a shit load more than me…..It’s his domain..?
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:33pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        He has been rather quiet lately. Is there free wifi in that area?
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:45pm
      - stigie
        
        Pretty sure they don’t have free wifi in the conveniences Awww..?
        
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        December 7, 2016 9:49pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        That is against their human rights! Get Minto in there!!! ?
        
        Faarrrrkkkkk
        
        Who would be more freaked out? The locals or Minto himself
        
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        December 7, 2016 10:05pm
Fletch

This tells you almost everything you needed to know about the two candidates in the U.S election.

Trump heads out again on a thank you tour, while Hillary throws a big party for her millionaire donors.

https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/806253662267904000/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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December 7, 2016 8:45pm
Manolo

An unusual President-elect:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-12-07/boeing-sweats-under-trump-spotlight-as-softbank-feels-the-warmth
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December 7, 2016 8:54pm
- Reid
  
  See my 7.47. What about the stock price?
  
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  December 7, 2016 9:15pm
Reid

If the US Military-Security complex doesn’t make even more trillions during Trump’s reign, whose going to be more disappointed? Us, the people who gave it to them to spend, or them?

…With Obama’s tenure ending in January, it remains to be seen if Trump intends normalizing bilateral ties, working with Putin responsibly, both leaders cooperating in combating terrorism in Syria – as he indicated while campaigning.

He’s being heavily pressured to stay hardline. Will he go his own way for the sake of world peace and stability or continue dirty business as usual?

We won’t know until he begins governing, maybe beyond his first 100 days. The agenda he announced, discussed in an earlier article, included nothing about allying with Moscow in combating terrorism, nothing about a new role for NATO, nothing about favoring diplomacy over war-making.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/07/russia-threatens-no-one.html
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December 7, 2016 9:11pm
Captain Mainwaring

So Angry has cancelled his trip to India for the second time, this time due to the Key resignation.
I’m confident that the poor suckers who were scheduled to meet with the grumpy prick won’t be too disappointed.
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December 7, 2016 9:18pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Why FFS??
  
  He could be overseas, playing the statesman, promoting nz inc. making himself look like a leader
  
  No better to stay here and do what??
  
  Useless Useless Useless
  
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  December 7, 2016 9:30pm
  - Reid
    
    He and Matt got together in the war-room with “Brains” and after some significant time the plan emerged that the holiday was off because now was the time for Andrew to hurl himself bodily into the limelight to fill the vacuum everyone in NZ is now desperately waiting for a leader, any leader, even Andy, to fill, for as this yuletide commences, people have nothing else to do but wish for and study that, you see.
    
    After directing Colmar-Brunton to come up with the appropriate numbers in due course, the brave trio set off on their quest.
    
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    December 7, 2016 9:41pm
Manolo

Overcoming enormous odds:
http://time.com/time-person-of-the-year-2016-donald-trump-choice/
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December 8, 2016 6:44am
Manolo

Speaking up:
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/309142-denzel-washington-blasts-media-for-selling-bs
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December 8, 2016 6:47am
Viking2

Shearer quitting.

The labour party in it’s death throws.
Who will inherit their cash and assets?
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