General Debate 15 December 2016

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Manolo

The moaning from the Clinton camp goes on:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/14/elector-push-for-russia-briefing-heats-up-after-podesta-fans-flames.html?refresh=true

A push by restive electors for a briefing on alleged Russian interference in the U.S. election is growing after Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman poured fuel on the fire by endorsing the call – as some Donald Trump foes continue to hold out hope they can deny the president-elect the office he won.
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December 15, 2016 8:03am
- fernglas
  
  A foreign government which has for decades been your country’s number one foe is said by your own intelligence agencies to have interfered in your democratic elections with the intent of influencing the outcome. You have the responsibility of confirming the chosen candidate, and you should just ignore that? It’s not just Democrats who are looking for information; it’s cross party.
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:47am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Romney raised the issue in 2012 and got laughed at. It’s the Dems and Obama’s own fault.
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/14/obama-knew-about-russian-hackers-did-nothing/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
    
    Good job that the hackers exposed how corrupt and deceitful the DNC and their compliant poodles in the MSM are. The people in the US deserved to know and Wikileaks have done them a great service.
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:02am
  - dime
    
    do some research. someone from the DNC LEAKED a lot of info.
    
    spirit cooker (goodle that creepy shit) podesta got done in a phishing scam. not exactly state of the art hacking.
    
    left = sore losers
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:25am
    - Fletch
      
      Right. And not forgetting Hillary’s do-it-yourself homebrew email server that was kept in somebody’s bathroom and which, by all accounts, was less secure than a Gmail address. The Dems only have themselves to blame.
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:28am
  - tom hunter
    
    is said by your own intelligence agencies to have interfered in your democratic elections with the intent of influencing the outcome.
    
    That’s not actually what the intelligence “sources” are saying – and note that in even responding to that point I’m granting a degree of good faith and trust in the US MSM that they don’t deserve.
    
    What the “sources” are claiming is that the Russians hacked the DNC, but that they had multiple, standard spying reasons for doing so. And so what? The intelligence agencies have been tracking Russian cyberwarfare attacks for years now. Numerous official reports have been filed. The reaction of the Obama administration up to now has been to shrug its shoulders. Same with the Chinese hacks of the OPM (Office of Personell Managment) a couple of years ago, where they grabbed the records of four million current and former government employees. The Democrat and MSM screams about that were 1/10 of this effort.
    
    And as Dime points out, the hack of Podesta’s email specifically is not being blamed on the Russians, not even by those mysterious, unnamed, off-the-record intelligence “sources”. Given that the fucktard was duped by a phishing scam in the first place he could have been hacked by Nigerians!
    
    You have the responsibility of confirming the chosen candidate, and you should just ignore that?
    
    When the same story is being spread by both Democrat operatives and Democrat operatives-with-bylines then yes, it should be ignored as whining bullshit designed to score domestic political points.
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:39am
  - tom hunter
    
    Loved this giff
    
    Have you heard this?
    
    The Party of Alger Hiss wants to save America from the Russians.
    
    I know because Walter Duranty’s newspaper told me.
    
    🙂
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:46am
    - stephieboy
      
      tom hunter , try and learn a few facts about a terribly complex and difficult confllict that is the Syrian Civil war instead of appealing to old history and your crude form of media censorship – “die MSM die ”
      
      “The Syrian Civil War Just Became
      
      Even More Complex”
      
      “..There are several layers to the Syrian conflict. One involved an effort by the United States and its allies to weaken Assad as a way to undermine Iran by depriving Tehran of its most significant regional ally. Another layer is a bitter Sunni-Shite contest for regional dominance. Syria is just one theater in that contest. We see other manifestations in Bahrain, where Iran backs a seething majority Shiite population against a repressive Sunni royal family that is kept in power largely by Saudi Arabia’s military support. Saudi Arabia and other Gulf powers backed Sunni tribes in western Iraq against the Shiite-dominated government in Baghdad. Some of those groups later coalesced to become ISIS. In Yemen, direct military intervention by Saudi Arabia and Riyadh’s smaller Sunni Gulf allies is determined to prevent a victory by the Iranian-backed Houthis.
      
      The war in Syria is yet another theater in that regional power struggle. It is no accident that the Syrian insurgency is overwhelmingly Sunni in composition and receives strong backing from major Sunni powers, including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey. Assad leads an opposing “coalition of religious minorities,” which includes his Alawite base (a Shiite offshoot) various Christian sects, and the Druze. But there is an added element of complexity. The Kurds form yet a third faction, seeking to create a self-governing (quasi-independent) region in northern and northeastern Syria inhabited by their ethnic brethren. In other words, Syrian Kurds are trying to emulate what Iraqi Kurds have enjoyed for many years in Iraqi Kurdistan, where Baghdad’s authority is little more than a legal fiction. That explains the clash between Assyrian Christians and Kurds. Both hate ISIS, but the former supports an intact Syria (presumably with Assad or someone else acceptable to the coalition in charge), the latter does not…”
      
      https://www.cato.org/blog/syrian-civil-war-just-became-even-more-complex
      
      A conflict that demands more thoughtful and nuanced analysis and not your dorkish polemic !
      
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      December 15, 2016 12:52pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    You mean the Russians acted like traditional journalists. (Exposing the truth, informing the public, etc.)
    
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    December 15, 2016 10:30am
- Ed Snack
  
  Note, all Democrat except for that flake in Texas.
  
  They don’t expect to win, this is just part of a broad campaign to undermine Trump right from the start. Funny though, this sort of activity (in a minor way) directed against Obama was called Treason by the self same people who are running this campaign.
  
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  December 15, 2016 12:45pm
smttc

I am not on his team. But why the hell should Assad agree to a ceasefire to allow time for idiots who have had forever to leave and who should have left the hell hole which Aleppo a long time ago? Just when he is about to retake the district?
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December 15, 2016 8:04am
- billmurray
  
  smtte,
  as I understand the situation most of the rebels fighting the Assad government are not Syrians but Saudi supported groups from extreme muslim sects, from many countries. They are not angels.
  The Russians are supporting Assad who is a secularist.
  So should the West but the Americans and Europeans have a anti- Russian stance.
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:34am
Nukuleka

I have received an email this morning from Air New Zealand that wishes me ‘Happy Holidays’. I will give the national carrier the benefit of the doubt on this occasion in that they are in the business of providing ‘holidays’ and therefore the greeting has a degree of pertinence to their brand. But I will be buggered if I am going to give my business to any firm in NZ which does not acknowledge our culture by ignoring our traditions and history by refusing to wish me Merry Christmas. Be warned, Air New Zealand.
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December 15, 2016 8:07am
- marquess
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  If you’re going to be so extremely petty about it, bear in mind that Christmas and New Years are, in fact, separate holidays. So think of “Happy Holidays” as a plural and then you can stop yelling at clouds ?
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:10am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Nah, its Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Two seperate events, one that shouldn’t be taken by Atheists.
    
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    December 15, 2016 8:17am
    - marquess
      
      I’ll give you a wee hint, the two aren’t mutually exclusive
      
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      December 15, 2016 8:26am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Explain please.
        
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        December 15, 2016 8:48am
      - marquess
        
        “Good work kids” is short for “Good work Sam and Jane”
        “I like your cars” is short for “I like your BMW and Toyota”
        “Happy Holidays” is short for “Happy Christmas and Happy New Year”
        
        Just because a saying has been shortened down doesn’t mean it loses its meaning. The two statements surrounding Christmas & NY/Holidays don’t contradict each other.
        
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        December 15, 2016 9:13am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        I cant reply to your explanation ( no reply button) so I’ll reply here. Following your logic then a person with a birthday and a wedding anniversary five days later could receive a “Happy Celebrations” card? Christmas is esentially a Birthday celebration and for religious people has much more signifance than a booze up celebrating the end of a (crappy?) year. New Year is merely a day on a calander indicating the start of a new year for those who follow a Western Calander. To lump the two together deminishes both. We dont send Chinese people Happy Holidays cards now intending to cover both their New Year and Christmas.
        
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        December 15, 2016 9:28am
      - Jack5
        
        We already had an expression that covered Merry Christmas and New Year, Marquess: season’s greetings.
        
        But that doesn’t have the multicultural connotations of happy holidays.
        
        Perhaps when someone wishes you “Happy holidays” they are declaring they are for a multicultural NZ and fuck your traditions.
        
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        December 15, 2016 9:28am
      - itstricky
        
        Perhaps when someone wishes you “Happy holidays” they are declaring they are for a multicultural NZ and fuck your traditions.
        
        Perhaps, just perhaps, you’re reading wwwwaaaaayyyyyyyyy too much into it.
        
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        December 15, 2016 9:34am
      - cmm
        
        Happy holidays only ever came about for the purpose of not saying Merry Christmas.
        
        Sure, Christmas is a rebranded pagan holiday (winter solstice) that is rebranded by other religions too. (eg. Jewish Chanuka).
        
        If you were in Israel you’d be getting Happy Chanuka.
        
        NZ is traditionally Christian, so we have Happy Christmas.
        
        To be clear, I am an atheist, but that does not mean I cannot respect or acknowledge our Christian heritage.
        
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        December 15, 2016 10:09am
      - marquess
        
        We dont send Chinese people Happy Holidays cards now intending to cover both their New Year and Christmas.
        
        Primarily because a) Chinese people don’t have a separate Christmas, and b) Chinese New Year is a month or two later than calendar New Year. It wouldn’t make sense to have a single saying for events two months apart.
        
        Following your logic then a person with a birthday and a wedding anniversary five days later could receive a “Happy Celebrations” card?
        
        Sure, why not? If you’re going to personalise the card by writing a message to them, I personally don’t see the issue. Hell, I know people born within 5 days of Christmas who have their birthday and Christmas celebrated pretty much simultaneously.
        
        Christmas is esentially a Birthday celebration and for religious people
        
        I’m not trying to disrespect the importance that religions and their followers put on their holidays. But realistically, those religious bonds probably shouldn’t be deeply offended by what is by most measures a throwaway “Happy Holidays” remark that a business sends to pretty much everyone
        
        We already had an expression that covered Merry Christmas and New Year, Marquess: season’s greetings.
        
        But that doesn’t have the multicultural connotations of happy holidays.
        
        Honestly, I see them as complete synonyms in every way.
        
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        December 15, 2016 10:26am
- rightoverlabour
  
  This may seem trivial to many, but this Happy Holiday and secularisation of religious traditions is starting to piss me off. Glad Trump is pushing back on this. Also glad we have a Catholic PM. That’s going to get a whole bunch of lefty activists even more pissed off. Merry Christmas.
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:14am
  - itstricky
    
    Careful now, you’re treading a thin line. You wouldn’t want people to think you were outraged, or intolerant. Someone might go saying you’re an SJW, or a religo who can’t handle his religion being criticised.
    
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    December 15, 2016 8:31am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Nah, don’t get outraged, and refuse to be offended about anything. And don’t care if any religion is criticised. (Offense says everything about the offender, nothing about the offended.) But do object to Freedom of expression being removed. If someone really wants to say Happy Holidays, thats fine, but it’s when some are forbidden to say Merry Christmas that a problem arises. Fortuneatly this is not a problem in New Zealand (yet). Baiting the precious though, is fun. Just watch a few Milo videos!
      
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      December 15, 2016 8:44am
  - Linda Reid
    
    Ironic given that Holiday is short for Holy Day – hence the Americans use vacation when we would say holiday.
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:34am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I know what you mean. When I get correspondence around Ramadan saying -“Happy Holidays” I am also very infuriated.
  
  Ramadan is not happy or a holiday. I have to fast for a whole month and cannot have relations with my wife. It’s not a holiday! It’s not happy!
  
  I find that kind of correspondence from businesses very insulting also – is what I’m saying.
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:23am
  - holysheet
    
    No wonder there are so many grumpy muslims around. No sex for a month is just not worth being a muslim.
    
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    December 15, 2016 8:33am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      No sex with woman. With boy it’s ok, he is not woman.
      
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      December 15, 2016 8:36am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        And goats?
        
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        December 15, 2016 8:44am
      - RalphT
        
        I suspect goats are out; Ramadan is I assume a time of enforced suffering and goats would provide too much pleasure.
        
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        December 15, 2016 9:29am
      - Jack5
        
        And with short camels?
        
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        December 15, 2016 9:30am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Plenty of sex with themselves I’ll wager
      
      Does sex with goats count as sex to a muslim ?
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:40am
    - cmm
      
      “No sex for a month ”
      
      And a whole lifetime of No Bacon!
      
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      December 15, 2016 10:10am
  - Huevon
    
    I know there is the decapitation penalty, but you may wish to consider apostasy from your heretical desert cult religion. Become a Christian – all you have to do is give up coffee for 40 days in Lent and you can still know your wife biblecally. You’ll have to drop the boy though, whatever you might hear from some priests it’s a big no no.
    
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    December 15, 2016 8:45am
  - Nukuleka
    
    What the fuck’s Ramadam when it’s at home. Can’t find it marked on any of my kiwi calendars.
    
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    December 15, 2016 8:52am
    - PhilBest
      
      Reminds me of the story about the truck laden with explosives, driven by towel-heads, that attempted to breach the security cordon at the Hoover Dam. The FBI went onto high alert for potential similar incidents now that the holy month of “ram-a-dam” had begun…
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:27am
    - Rich Prick
      
      It’s the official bombing season in Islam.
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Such nonsense Padriv.
    
    You know perfectly well that you can have sexual relations with your wife during fasting hours as long as you free one of your slaves or feed 60 poor people.
    http://www.myreligionislam.com/detail.asp?Aid=5910
    
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    December 15, 2016 7:12pm
- MCos
  
  Does that mean you won’t be going to a Thai restaurant if they have a Merry Christmas banner in the window?
  After all we can’t have the Buddhists pinching the Christians festivals!
  Who gives a shit what people say as long as they’re happy?
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:30am
- Keeping Stock
  
  In his Christmas card to me, Andrew Little chose the safe middle ground of “Season’s Greetings”. That was a surprise, given that he has dismissed the notion of going after votes from the centre.
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:49am
- Inandout
  
  Well it goes with the PC ‘kia ora’ when they answer the phone ( I normally reply ‘yeah gidday’), but using ‘happy holidays’ means that they don’t offend their Islamic customers.
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:54am
  - itstricky
    
    Life must be hard when you can’t even talk on the phone without having a hernia. They do have pills for that.
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:27am
  - Morrissey
    
    I normally reply ‘yeah gidday’
    
    No doubt they think you’re too dim to even say a few words in Te Reo.
    
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    December 16, 2016 9:04am
- Gabby
  
  Just to make you happy, I wish you neither.
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:58am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I upticked gabby as that is one of his more lucid comment
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:47am
- Jack5
  
  Merry Christmas to all the multiculturists in NZ:
  Dame Devoid, the girl and boy elves at the Race Relations office, to most of the MSM, to the PR’s of Air NZ, to the liberal mob at Massey University (especially those training to become part-time veterinarians), to all the folk who wish everyone in the world was the same shade of – well, perhaps, kakhi.
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:01am
  - Jack5
    
    Do multiculturists really want every culture to be celebrated – except Christianity!
    
    Otherwise why would they want it to be impolite to say the name of one of the two most important holidays of Christianity?
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:10am
    - alloytoo
      
      Happy Summer/Winter Solstice?
      
      We should by all accounts sacrifice a virgin……but…..
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:30am
      - Jack5
        
        A virgin? Better get in early in the year, then Alloytoo.
        
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        December 15, 2016 9:32am
- dime
  
  happy holidays can eat a dick.
  
  its christmas.
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:27am
- dime
  
  Vodafone emailed me today.. some garbage promotion.
  
  anyway, they went with Merry Christmas.
  
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  December 15, 2016 11:45am
rightoverlabour

I see Trump has re- instated “Merry Christmas”. This is worth watching

https://youtu.be/mwVpTYez82w
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December 15, 2016 8:08am
- Manolo
  
  Our multiculturalist is a bit upset about it.
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:15am
- itstricky
  
  Good God, what a bunch of overstated, hysterical storm in a teacupness.
  
  Could he-said-she-said-he-thought-she-said-he-said-that-she-gave-me-a-funny-look-one-day-therefore-she-hates-me be taken any further down the yellow brick road of blame?
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:36am
  - Inandout
    
    Bugger eh, the great leftist plan has hit a brick wall.
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:01am
    - itstricky
      
      Lucky we’ve got the Prager Plan. Better start reading up on it straight away.
      
      http://www.dennisprager.com/when-a-woman-isnt-in-the-mood-part-ii/
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:21am
- waikatogirl
  
  Merry Christmas everyone!
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:40am
  - Rich Prick
    
    That’s 23% triggered by your micro-aggression. Expect rage.
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:45am
- MCos
  
  The guy in the video is just as strident, as the people he purports to criticise.
  ‘You will say Merry fucking Christmas, or else!”
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:44am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Is “fucking” used here as a verb or an adjective?
    
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    December 15, 2016 8:52am
    - Disaster Area
      
      I’m fairly sure that if its the latter, the person using it won’t have the vocabulary to be able to tell you.
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:06am
    - Jack5
      
      Most of the friggin’ vocabulary-poor cunts on this damn blog use it as a bloody adjective, MCos. Merry fuckin’ Christmas and a stonkin’ New Year.
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:15am
EAD

They’re ramping up the Anti Russian rhetoric now. Not only did Russia hack the US election and provide financial support for Trump, in the past 24 hours (in addition to the bullshit about killing “wimin & Children” & “rebels” in Aleppo), we have a UK MP claiming that “‘Highly likely’ Russia used cyber warfare to influence EU referendum“….nothing at all you see to do with the peoples utter disgust at everything the EU represents.

https://youtu.be/zOooEr4I_Gg

While an EU MP claims Russia is encouraging sex attacks in Germany to influence the German election….. nothing at all you see to do with Merkel flooding the country with primitive military age 3rd worlders (sorry “refugees”)

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4032432/amp/Pro-EU-think-tank-says-Russia-Syria-orchestrating-migrant-sex-attacks-swing-upcoming-German-elections.html

I guess the truth is now treason in our MSM and politico Empire of lies.
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December 15, 2016 8:09am
- PhilBest
  
  You couldn’t make that up, could you?
  
  The politically correct establishment in Europe wants to preside over the extinction of western civ in Europe by supplanting national democracy with a central bureaucracy that doesn’t bother about borders or security – then the criminals and misogynists that flood in are just stooges of RUSSIAN destabilisation??? And what is the “solution” if that actually was the case, Sherlock???
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:16am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I find the allegations that Muslim refugees cannot do their own sex attacks in Germany very insulting.
  
  Muslim refugees don’t need help from Russians to rape. They can do it themselves thank you very much.
  
  It wasn’t the Russians that invented “taharrush”!
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:28am
- Rich Prick
  
  Isn’t the language interesting. “The Russians hacked the election“. Really? The only things hacked were Hillary’s illegal private server (and the material was all about yoga and stuff, remember) and the DNC’s obviously vulnerable one. All that was revealed were actual emails. Whether any of those affected the election outcome is pretty debatable. The Dems should really confront the fact that Hillary was electoral poison in key states (at least one of which she completely ignored during the campaign).
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:00am
  - All_on_Red
    
    And Podesta’s gmail account was broken into via a phishing attack. A phishing attack- one of the most basic ways to get in. Hardly a sophisticated method one might expect from the Russians who certainly know about computers and software. They wouldn’t leave a trace if they wanted to.
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:05am
- Fletch
  
  Russia has become the Tibor character from the Simpsons (Tibor Jankovsky works at the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant. He speaks little English and is blamed for everything).
  
  “Now Marge, just remember, if something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can’t speak English. Ah, Tibor, how many times have you saved my butt?” ~ Homer.
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:39am
Kiwiladdy

Ironically the Russians “influencing” the election with hacked emails is a perfect example of why Hillary Clinton should not have used a private email server – they are insecure and vulnerable to other nations. Now every nation in the world has a collateral over here. Go figure.
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December 15, 2016 8:11am
- PhilBest
  
  In any case, who cares “who” exposes malfeasance? Better it is exposed, not successfully concealed with the perpetrators carrying on in a career of malfeasance right to the top level. Takes a crook to catch a crook, it seems.
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:22am
  - Gabby
    
    Nicky Hager agrees with you.
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:03am
    - PhilBest
      
      Hager couldn’t come up with anything that was “criminal” except in his own twisted Marxist imagination. I read his book and it was a big yawn from start to finish.
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:32am
      - Morrissey
        
        You did not read his book.
        
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        December 15, 2016 11:13am
      - Gabby
        
        Chop chop for little PhilBy.
        
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        December 16, 2016 10:10am
    - rangitoto
      
      Maybe one day in his dreams he will expose malfeasance.
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:37am
      - PhilBest
        
        Actually what he dreams of, like all good Marxists, is that one day he will be able to preside over a Show Trial of his political enemies and charge them and sentence them according to his own warped standards of “justice”. He THINKS he is blowing the whistle on criminal malfeasance, it is just that the Proles need awakening to understand that that is what it is.
        
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        December 15, 2016 12:42pm
- Disaster Area
  
  The bit that I find ironic is that the Trump campaign slated Clinton for using a server which could be hacked, there is evidence (or a lot of circumstantial evidence) that the Russians hacked it and now the Trump team don’t want to have an investigation.
  
  And this is despite Trump encouraging the hackers to ‘find’ the missing emails when he was on the campaign trail.
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:09am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hmm, the FBI couldn’t find any evidence of the RNC being hacked.
    ‘But Priebus, who is set to become the chief of staff in the new Trump administration, said in two separate interviews that there’s no evidence the RNC was hacked.
    “We contacted the FBI months ago when the DNC issue came about,” Priebus said on ABC’s “This Week.” “They’ve reviewed all of our systems. We have hacking detection systems in place. And the conclusion was then, as it was again two days ago, when we went back to the FBI to ask them about this, that the RNC was not hacked.”
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/priebus-denies-report-rnc-was-hacked-232483
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:43am
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    https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder206/500x/67018206.jpg
    
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    December 15, 2016 11:11am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Quite different really, none of the eMails released on Wikileaks come from the Clintonmail server directly though some originally were sent from it. The sources of the released emails were John Podesta’s private email and the DNC.
    
    The issue with the Clinton server really relate to her time at State which ended over two years ago and are NOT related directly to any hacking at the election. The Clinton campaign have usually maintained that there is NO evidence that her Clintonmail server was ever hacked although it is known that a number of attempts were made. I suggest that it is very likely that it was and quite probably by the Russians (and Chinese) but they are unlikely to release any of their evidence because it probably still has uses for them, being a source of significant insights into US Diplomatic “thinking” and with a good sprinkling of highly confidential material as an added gloss.
    
    But of course Clinton was guilty of nothing and should never have been prosecuted, no, not even accused, as if she were just some ordinary mortal.
    
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    December 15, 2016 1:01pm
SteveRemmington

After watching Clint Smith aka Hey Clint and Matthew Hooten duke it out on Twitter over the rather distasteful Labour aligned PR companies use of the Pike River accident for political purposes, I found it interesting that Clint made the comment about David Little standing with the families since day 1.

He really does appear to be trying to rewrite history. A simple web search shows that immediately after the accident David was cheerleading for Pike River Coal and Peter Whittall.

Pointless providing a link to a right leaning website as it will be seen to be biased, so here’s a link to an alternative site that could never be viewed as biased towards authority.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/08/15/pike-a15.html
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December 15, 2016 8:22am
- SteveRemmington
  
  The pertinent paragraph reads as such:
  
  “In the days after the explosion, then-EPMU leader Andrew Little told Radio NZ and the New Zealand Herald there had been no warnings of unsafe conditions in the mine and he praised its safety standards. He made no mention of a spontaneous walkout by workers to protest against the lack of emergency equipment, of which the EPMU had been made aware. The union did not organise any industrial action and worked with the company to prevent any interruption to mining operations or costly improvements in safety. In November 2014, Little became leader of the opposition Labour Party, touting his record of collaboration with big business.”
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:28am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Don’t forget that it is highly likely that “Hey Clint” Smith has previously been an author at The Standard under at least two identities; Steve Pierson and James Henderson.
    
    And Rob Egan, former Labour insider, union activist and part-owner of the PR firm involved is strongly suspected of having blogged at The Standard under the pseudonym of Irish Bill.
    
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    December 15, 2016 8:37am
    - ross411
      
      Who was the unfortunate son a bitch who went over and joined the circle jerk there, to work this out?
      
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      December 15, 2016 4:18pm
- Gabby
  
  I web searched David Little and found no such thing, hey Steve. Forgetaboutit, it’s Rimming Town.
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:05am
Keeping Stock

Winston Peters apparently held a “private meeting” with the Pike River families the other day at Parliament. It was after this “private meeting” that he came up with the idea of being the canary down the mine.

So check this out:

Inside Winston Peters’ private meeting with Pike River families

I opened the door to New Zealand First’s caucus room and came across something quite unexpected: Winston Peters sitting alone at the head of a big long table.

He was waiting for four Pike River family members, who’d just unveiled their latest re-entry plan. Newshub had been invited along to observe.

Another door opens, and Bernie Monk, Anna Osborne, Sonja Rockhouse, and Dean Dunbar file in and take their seats.

“By the evidence I’ve seen, something seriously untoward is going on,” Mr Peters opens with.

“That giant block of concrete they want to put in is going in for a reason, and it ain’t to do with present safety,” he says, then invites his guests to make their case.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/inside-winston-peters-private-meeting-with-pike-river-families-2016121412?ref=newshubFB

So can someone enlighten me. How can it be a “private meeting” when a member of the media is present, who publishes word for word what has been said in the “private meeting”?

But wait; there’s more. The journalist involved is none other than the journalist who was recently alleged to have threatened to “out” a gay MP who’s ex-partner the journalist is now dating. The journalist involved has previously authored stories which are very unflattering to the MP, who has since “come out” on his own volition.

Doesn’t this all smell a bit of dirty politics, especially given Brett’s revelations on Tuesday that the PR company representing the Pike River families has very close links to the inner circle of the Labour Party?
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December 15, 2016 8:34am
oldpark

With Mt Albert being a Labour stronghold since 1946, when the electorate was formed. Sounds like horses for courses,is that why Jacinda Ardern Lie-bour List MP,will romp in.Just saying.
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December 15, 2016 8:39am
- Keeping Stock
  
  A National candidate doesn’t have a bolter’s chance. Labour will win Mt Albert by the length of the straight. There will be a steward’s enquiry if Jacinda loses. She’s a dead cert.
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:42am
  - oldpark
    
    Maybe if she did lose, she would be swabbed, to see if she was got at by crooked handlers.Surely not.
    
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    December 15, 2016 8:59am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      You’re not suggesting Jacinda would be clad in Fine Cotton are you Oldpark? 😀
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:02am
      - oldpark
        
        Now that you mention it , why not teeheeheehee.
        
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        December 15, 2016 9:17am
  - SteveRemmington
    
    All those for KS’s contribution being comment of the day say yea…
    
    Those against, neigh
    
    The yeas have it.
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:00am
  - Swifty
    
    You might be right KS, but I do think that having Clark (leader) then Shearer (broad appeal) has assisted Labour’s performance in the electorate greatly.
    
    Given that National won the 2014 party vote by 4,000 or so I do think we’re in for a chance if we put up a better and more high profile candidate.
    
    Tougher of course if Lab and the Greens do a dirty, tawdry deal, in their words, and the watermelons don’t stand in the by-election. 🙂
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:18am
  - rangitoto
    
    Not if we get Vlad the bad onto it. I’m sure he would hack the result for us if we told him Jacinta is a Hillary supporter.
    
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    December 15, 2016 10:46am
- Gabby
  
  Well there’s nobody around to hold her back by the ponytail now.
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:09am
  - itstricky
    
    No calls for Gabby’s to be comment of the day, then? Give, but can’t take.
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:54am
    - All_on_Red
      
      It’s hardly an original comment from the Gobblin’ one. He says it five times a day.
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:56am
      - itstricky
        
        It has a legitimate horse tie in this time. I thought it was quite clever. Pity 15 other people can jolly back slap but can’t take a funny face slap.
        
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        December 15, 2016 10:14am
    - SteveRemmington
      
      Why would we settle for an inferior product? I assume by your comment you are a Hillary fan girl.
      
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      December 15, 2016 10:08am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      By Gabby’s standards, it wasn’t bad itstricky. He/she actually got an up-tick from me.
      
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      December 15, 2016 10:08am
      - cmm
        
        Yup she’s certainly getting more coherent.
        
        That’s one to stick on the fridge.
        
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        December 15, 2016 10:14am
    - Garbageman
      
      Yeah just what gobshite needs its very own cheerleader maybe when it strings a semi intelligent sentence together that makes sense everyone will uptick although going by its track record that’s probably not going to happen any time soon
      
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      December 15, 2016 10:22am
tom hunter

From a partisan view the GOP are probably quite happy for the Democrats and their MSM enablers to keep plunging down this rabbit hole of Russian hacking.

But from a nationalist USA view, it’s about as stupid and damaging as it can get.

Putin did not “want” Trump to win. He plays the cards as they’re dealt and would have merely shrugged his shoulders at a Hillary Clinton win.

What Putin does want is to endlessly bang the drum about how Western democracy is not democracy at all: that it’s all just a farce and a joke with no real choices offered at all. This “argument” is seen emerging from the various mouthpieces of Russia every day, whether it’s official spokesman or RT or Sputnik news – and of course it’s repeated by certain Western sources themselves as both the Far Right and the Far Left have often made the same arguments (including here on KB). The old KGB was always good at exploiting the West’s useful idiots to promote the interests of Soviet Communism, and now their successors have found new hatchlings.

There are two fundamental propaganda drivers here. The first is attack-as-defence; one can’t criticise the Russian political system as a farce of democracy when one’s own is “just the same or worse”. The second is that such attacks help stop or disrupt Russia’s Western opponents when they get in the way of whatever Russia wants. It’s clever, low-risk stuff that helps Russia at the margins.

In any case, as this article points out, if Obama and company were really concerned about Russian hacking and cyberwarfare, they’d have actually shifted off their backsides and done something about it years ago. Instead he played kissy-face with Putin – who promptly gave me him a few wedgies. Oh, but now the Russians are a problem.

Sure Obama, sure. Nice to see where the priorities of the Democrats sit. You can damage the USA as much as you want, but sticking it to the Democrat Party? Them’s fightin’ actions!
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December 15, 2016 8:39am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Putin did not “want” Trump to win. He plays the cards as they’re dealt and would have merely shrugged his shoulders at a Hillary Clinton win.
  
  I dunno, given the more friendly attitude towards Russia that Trump and people around him seem to exude, I would guess that Putin is most hopeful that Trump will drop the sanctions against Russia.
  
  I definitely agree, though, that the Democrats should have been far more concerned with Russian hacking and manipulation of news and social media much earlier. Apparently, last year Obama kiboshed some sort of counter-information group that was set up because he didn’t want to upset the Russians. (See The Kremlin Didn’t Sink Hillary—Obama Did).
  
  From my point of view, I don’t care what has triggered the realisation that the US needs to get serious about Russia, I’m just glad a large number finally paying attention. Unfortunately, though, a very large number (seemingly associated with Trump support ) are now trying very hard to downplay what has happened and even pretend that Russia is harmless.
  
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  December 15, 2016 6:10pm
EAD

Headline: UK to ban extreme right wing group

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11765636

Aslogan used by Mair in court, “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain,” appears in online results when searching for National Action…Authorities have expressed concern that the threat from the extreme right is growing.

The Stuff article on the same subject reports that they are openly supportive of Adolf Hitler!

Although I would be highly unlikely to join National Action if there were a branch over here, I see no justification in banning them unless they use violence like the so called religion of peace has a tendency towards…

Regarding their support for the Nazis, so what? Lefties support communism and Maoism

Indeed, the more I see of our “liberal” and “progressive” politicians, the more sympathetically I look at historical “far right” groups.

Could it be that Hitler understood things we do not yet see? Is it possible that the Nazis grasped problems that we are only beginning to learn? I don’t claim to know the answers, I merely raise the questions and point out hypocrisy where I see it, contradictions between peoples words and their actions and narratives being spun that have no basis in reality or observations.

It does seem that many people accused of being “far right” are, in fact, merely far sighted. They are ahead of the curve as to our real problems.
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December 15, 2016 8:47am
- PhilBest
  
  Actually the existence of REAL neo-Nazis at least clarifies the absurdity of the charge being levelled against anyone who is merely not a useful-idiot multiculturalist. I mean, the knee-jerk use of the term “racist” by the Left, against anyone who is opposed to mass immigration and/or multi-culturalism, regardless of the track record of the person accused, in a lifetime of known associations and friendships with people of colour.
  
  It is almost entirely about “culture”, not race, to anyone who is not an actual neo-Nazi or KKK member; and it is also about economics (eg infrastructure, the housing market, etc). These are legitimate concerns, and the Left needs to be called out for what they are on it, a combination of Quislings and “new McCarthyists”.
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:42am
  - EAD
    
    @ Philbest,
    
    It is almost entirely about “culture”, not race
    
    We live in a country that only exists because of whites, have “law” based on codified ethics and reasoning made up by whites for whites and yet you still think that there would be no difference to this country should it be run by Maoris or Somalis?
    
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    December 15, 2016 10:16am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD, who says this country should be run by Maoris or Somalis ?
      
      We lived in a society run on civilized norms and values and not according to the dicates of your primitive fantasy National Socialist – New Nazi agendas
      
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      December 15, 2016 10:26am
      - EAD
        
        We lived in a society run on civilized norms and values and not according to the dicates of your primitive fantasy National Socialist – New Nazi agendas
        
        Ahh yes Stephieboy – those “civilised norms and values” didn’t just arise out of nowhere you know?
        
        I was, from my teens, a True-Blue National supporter up until around the Key “victory” in 2008. I then realised two things that I ought to have understood much sooner: first, that immigration was the most important issue of our times, and was set to destroy us, and second, that no “right wing” administration had the slightest intention of halting it.
        
        While I am well versed in the more nuanced arguments and theories that civic nationalists like Philbest present, to me, racial identity and ethnic tribalism are so obvious and natural that they don’t require rationalisation or intellectual justification just as love of family or defending your home don’t.
        
        I think the truth is instinctive and lies within all of us, even the most committed leftist egalitarian. These instincts prevailed for the whole of human history until about 50 years ago.
        
        It takes a great deal of neuro linguistic programming, sophistry and Marxist brainwashing to bury them, but it does not take much at all to bring them out again. Just as sexual jealousy or seeing a loved one under attack bring primitive urges rushing up from our subconscious, so will seeing our homelands under increasing threat awaken the innate tribalism of the masses in whom it has been artificially suppressed. For all our book learning we are still animals, and pack/tribal ones at that.
        
        Winter is coming for the multikult lunatics.
        
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        December 15, 2016 10:46am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      EAD,
      
      …yet you still think that there would be no difference to this country should it be run by Maoris or Somalis?
      
      That’s not what he was saying. Culture it one of these things that takes centuries to change peoples, but given that the majority here in NZ follow a European-based culture and given that those who come here want to live in a European based-culture, and therefore value it, I don’t think over the long-term you have anything to fear from Maoris or Somalis.
      
      I do wonder if you are afraid of people like me as well – I’m full blood Polish, married a part Fijian part Scot and have mixed blood children. Culturally I’m similar yet different from stock-standard NZ Europeans. I consider the Russians extremely dangerous, and likewise the Nazis and anyone who thinks that way because of my cultural background and racial experience.
      
      So, what do you think EAD? Am I your racial enemy?
      
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      December 15, 2016 11:03am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD,
      
      “Winter is coming for the multikult lunatics.”
      
      What with your Racial defilement and Enabling laws included in your New Nazi manifesto for 2017 ?
      
      When do you propose rolling it out ?
      
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      December 15, 2016 11:12am
    - PhilBest
      
      EAD, I would have no problem at all to live in a country run by Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Herman Cain, Ben Carson, Alan Keyes, and Condoleeza Rice.
      
      You say:
      
      “…I think the truth is instinctive and lies within all of us, even the most committed leftist egalitarian. These instincts prevailed for the whole of human history until about 50 years ago.
      
      It takes a great deal of neuro linguistic programming, sophistry and Marxist brainwashing to bury them, but it does not take much at all to bring them out again…”
      
      Actually, the ancient tribalisms you refer to, met their first real Nemesis in Christianity: “God hath created all men of one blood to dwell upon the earth”. There are examples in the New Testament, of black African members of the early church.
      
      The evolved universal values of Christianity via the Reformation and the Enlightenment, are what has given us modern, technological civilisation. The Japanese have successfully imitated this and other non-white races are following suit. National success requires a secularism that at the very least, is not antagonistic to Christian proselytizing. Korea is almost 50% Christian today.
      
      I also suggest Matthew Parris’s essay “As an Atheist, I Honestly Believe Africa Needs God”. He notes the visible effects of post-Lutheran Christianity on its converts initiative, energy and intelligence. This is self-evident everywhere anyway, including among NZ Maori.
      
      What the neo-Marxist brainwashing you refer to, has done, is to deliberately turn identity groups into weapons against the host culture that is actually their lifeline, by brainwashing them into believing that it is the source of anything anyone can perceive to be wrong with the world. There was never any reason that holding the values of the Enlightenment had to be synonymous with having white skin. Some of the most effective culture warriors have been and still are, people of colour. Our own Sir Apirana Ngata would put any cringing white lefty to shame, whether an actual Marxist Quisling agent or one of their many dupes. Possibly there are even modern-day Maori just as clear as him, but they won’t be getting any air-time, will they? Tim Wikiriwhi, perhaps.
      
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      December 15, 2016 1:04pm
      - stephieboy
        
        PhilBest ,
        
        Korea is almost 50% Christian today.
        
        China and Japan are about 2- 5 %
        
        Your point ?
        
        Much of Africa was Christianised either prior to and after the Confernce of Berlin 1870 ( the scramble for Africa )
        
        Many Africans may of been uninimpressed with the faith after genocide by Leoplod’s II in his Congo ,Germany in SW Africa and growing racial discrimination in South Africa and Rhodesia etc .
        
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        December 15, 2016 4:26pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Stephieboy,
        
        The point is that Christianity, which to some is synonymous with European civilisation and culture, is not just a white man’s religion. As religion forms and influences culture, this is a very important point to hammer into skulls of Nazis such as EAD. Though, it seems you need to learn it too.
        
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        December 15, 2016 5:54pm
    - Scorpion
      
      http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/man-viciously-bashed-in-st-kilda-beach-brawl/news-story/cd365c1e64f964edffe7f37d3953bc16
      
      Another Racist Anti White attack from recent immigrants from Africa in Australia assimilating well as we can see.
      
      It must be time for the Australian branch of
      BLM to march again in solidarity.
      
      Similar to what I remember from Mount Roskill
      
      >
      One of the tradies Andrew, told Ten Eyewitness News he was whipped with a belt while his workmate Nathan, was bashed by a dozen men of African appearance.
      It is believed the gang had been terrorising beachgoers for hours, stealing their phones, bikes and other possessions. Police were called to the scene but the gang would disperse before meeting up again to continue harassing people.
      “This was just animals, you know, that’s the best description I can think of, they were just animals,” Andrew told Ten News from his hospital bed.
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      20 to 1 or 30 to 1 is their modus operandi
      a bit like in Auckland.
      
      Except in Auckland where you get gangs of 30
      in oz they can get gangs of 100
      
      Anyway you see why Rebel Sport ran out of
      Baseball bats seriously that is how bad it is
      and bunnings had a run on pick axes
      
      Just pay them reparations for “slavery” and everything will be fine
      
      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-23/15-years-after-land-grabs-mugabe-invites-white-farmers-back-zimbabwe
      
      Looks like Zimbabwe will be as big a success
      as Liberia
      
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      December 16, 2016 1:53am
All_on_Red

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzpumRrXEAE6VlI?format=jpg&name=large
Lol
The finger pointing is starting…
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michigan-hillary-clinton-trump-232547

Oops, voter fraud…
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/
‘Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.

Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.’
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December 15, 2016 8:48am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red , is this related to the George Soros voting machine conspiracy ?
  
  http://yournewswire.com/george-soros-owns-voting-machines/
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:30am
- Ed Snack
  
  Must be Trump voters, we told so often that no real voter fraud ever existed in the USA but that if it did it was Republican inspired.
  
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  December 15, 2016 1:08pm
Richard

The US Fed has finally begun rate rises. Tiny, but significant. After so many years. Hellelujah!
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December 15, 2016 8:53am
Biscuit

So, let me get this right, the subject of biggest concern to Kiwibloggers today is …. what name we should give to the days off most of us enjoy from late December to early January?
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December 15, 2016 8:56am
- PhilBest
  
  No, it is what George Orwell rightly warned us about, control of the language and culture.
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:44am
- Garbageman
  
  winding down to Christmas Biscuit surely a bit of frivolity is in order it doesn’t have to all be Trump bad/good Muslims bad/good Labour shit/shit
  
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  December 15, 2016 10:09am
  - Biscuit
    
    True, Garbageman!
    
    Religious holidays largely leave me cold – reapportion them so there’s a day off once every 2 months, I say…
    
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    December 15, 2016 10:49am
VicParking

Did my rounds of the newspapers/blogs online this morning. Thanks Kiwiblog because without you I was heading for the beach to swim to Aus.
WO has finally swung to the far left. First article I read was rubbishing English and second praising Jacinda. Moved to the failing newspaper whos editorial was calling for a Commission on Pike River but then talked themselves out of it at the end. Proves that staff realise most people only read the first five lines of any report before they get bored.
Switched to 3 and the purple drunk. A 10 minute discussion on “Man Parts”. Turned to this publication and other than those that wish to, and will it seems, discuss the American election for the next four yearsa bit of sanity returned to my life.
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December 15, 2016 9:00am
- Keeping Stock
  
  There’s already been a Royal Commission into the Pike River tragedy VicParking, which produced an exhaustive two-volume report which can be downloaded here: http://pikeriver.royalcommission.govt.nz/Final-Report
  
  Ironically, the recommendations from the Pike River Royal Commission sparked the significant changes to the very workplace health and safety laws that are preventing access to the Pike River mine as demanded by the families, their PR company and opposition politicians.
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:07am
  - Rich Prick
    
    … their Labour affiliated PR company …
    
    Just had to fix that for you.
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:11am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Thanks RP; much appreciated 😀
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:15am
Manolo

Some hacks are getting nervous:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/310373-priebus-floats-shakeup-for-white-house-press-corps
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December 15, 2016 9:18am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, does it really matter that and egostist like Trump selects only those who agree and reflect his ideology and agenda ?
  
  I understood he wasn’t goiung to reside in the Whitehouse or was that just Melania ?
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:29am
Jack5

Merry Christmas to all the volunteers in the Stephie Islamic troll army!
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December 15, 2016 9:35am
- Reid
  
  DARPA is thrilled.
  
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  December 15, 2016 6:41pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , hows the Edinburgh ( oops the Medina ) of the South shaping up ?
  
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  December 15, 2016 6:49pm
Manolo

The Russians, not the Muslim invaders, will be responsible:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4032432/Pro-EU-think-tank-says-Russia-Syria-orchestrating-migrant-sex-attacks-swing-upcoming-German-elections.html

Russian and Syrian secret services may be encouraging refugees in Germany to carry out orchestrated sex attacks, in a bid to oust Angela Merkel from office, it is claimed.
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December 15, 2016 9:42am
- PhilBest
  
  This is what EAD was referring to above
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/12/general_debate_15_december_2016.html/comment-page-1#comment-1837728
  
  And Padriv Ustoev’s response was gold:
  
  “I find the allegations that Muslim refugees cannot do their own sex attacks in Germany very insulting…”
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:49am
  - stephieboy
    
    Philbest , this is where the real and not the fools gold is ,
    
    Cologne sex assaults: Muslim rape myths fit a neo-Nazi agenda
    
    “Dark myths about sexual assaults in Cologne came into sharp focus last week when a female television journalist was attacked live on air. Esmeralda Labye, a reporter from Belgium, was covering the German city’s annual carnival when three men variously touched her breasts, kissed her and simulated intercourse behind her back.
    
    It followed claims of multiple sex crimes on women around the city’s station on New Year’s Eve, when refugees were blamed. This allowed conspiracy theorists to outline their most starkly racist fantasies, painting a picture of demonic brown-skinned Muslims fleeing war zones to defile white European womanhood. No need for court cases: marauding savages had planned everything on the Internet and were all guilty without trial.    
    
    This time, however, Labye’s cameraman captured the absolute truth: footage shows white European males from overwhelmingly Christian Germany molesting her. Cologne was full of Caucasian drunks acting with the same kind of macho abandon which contributes to some half a million adults being sexually assaulted in England and Wales alone each year. ..”
    
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cologne-sex-assaults-muslim-rape-myths-fit-a-neo-nazi-agenda-a6872566.html
    
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    December 15, 2016 10:21am
Fletch

Clinton still leading the polls in the following states –

https://www.facebook.com/Capitalists/photos/a.226491315514.290842.188355460514/10157887415425515/?type=3

😉
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December 15, 2016 9:44am
Manolo

Sweden feels a multicultural embrace:
The Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) has urged the country’s municipalities to prepare for war, another shocking indication of how mass immigration is threatening the stability of the European country.

“The agency sent official letters out to security heads in municipalities explaining that they must be better equipped to meet the threat of war and other crisis situations,” reports The Local.
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December 15, 2016 9:47am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, nice if you could link to this alleged armegeddeon and castrophe that will shortly befall Sweden and Western Europe ?
  
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  December 15, 2016 10:14am
Manolo

NZD drops one cent this morning:
https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/NZDUSD:CUR
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December 15, 2016 9:49am
stephieboy

The new darling and slime ball of the alt right President Rodrigo Duterte admits himself being a drug abuser ,

“Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte admits to killing people and abusing drugs”

” Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte has bragged about killing people and admitted being a drug abuser in comments his critics will use to question his fitness for office.

The 72-year-old former provincial mayor, whose crackdown on illegal drugs has left almost 6000 people dead, admitted over-using an addictive pain-killing drug to relieve pain.

Duterte told a business forum in the presidential palace that he started taking the opioid analgesic drug fentanyl, which is usually prescribed for cancer patients, despite never being diagnosed with cancer.

He admitted his doctor told him to take just a quarter of a square fentanyl pill but he used to take two of them before being warned he was abusing the drug…”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/87587197/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-admits-to-killing-people-and-abusing-drugs
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December 15, 2016 10:11am
- doggone7
  
  “In Davao I used to do it [kill] personally. Just to show to the guys [police] that if I can do it why can’t you,” he said.
  
  “And I’d go around in Davao with a motorcycle, with a big bike around, I would just patrol the streets, looking for trouble also. I was really looking for a confrontation so I could kill.”
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-38311655
  
  He’s thinks doing good by cleaning up society getting rid of mongrels, yet admits acting like a murderous lawless scumbag. If it’s okay for him to act how like that how come it isn’t okay for others? Do his NZ fans see the irony?
  
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  December 15, 2016 11:25am
Captain Mainwaring

Shaw wields the axe

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/87592334/two-veteran-green-mps-latest-to-bow-out-of-politics

Two of the most useless Greens are pulling up stumps. Clearly James Shaw is trying to make the Greens more electable.
Will Tubby be next?
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December 15, 2016 11:06am
- Viking2
  
  Damm he was too late to select Laila.
  
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  December 15, 2016 11:15am
  - sooty
    
    You never know, she may jump partys again! There is no stopping that girl.
    
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    December 15, 2016 4:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  Cpatain Mainwaring, when will the alt right field candiates that will be able equal the ” useless greens “in terms of voting support ?
  
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  December 15, 2016 11:15am
- Rich Prick
  
  Delahunty and Browning will be sorely missed, said no one.
  
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  December 15, 2016 11:42am
Manolo

The primitive mullahs get a warning:
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Liberation-of-Palestine-remains-first-priority-in-Muslim-world-says-Khamenei-475365

PM Netanyahu conveyed a message to Iran on Wednesday, warning the Islamic Republic’s leaders: “Don’t threaten us, we are not a rabbit, we are a tiger. If you threaten us you endanger yourself.”

Earlier on Wednesday, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Israel will not exist 25 years from now.
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December 15, 2016 11:09am
- alloytoo
  
  They’ve been saying that (or shorter predictions) for almost 70 years…..
  
  Are the people of the prophet not very good prophets?
  
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  December 15, 2016 11:46am
- Morrissey
  
  They’re tigers when it comes to bullying, harassing and shooting Palestinian women and children at the illegal checkpoints that they’ve installed all over the Occupied Territories.
  
  U.S. scholar Norman Finkelstein says the Israeli Army is the most cowardly army on earth. As the little girl in the following clip says: “Their cowardice is legendary. We are not afraid of them no matter what they do. Their bombs come down on us like water, because they’re losers and cowards.”
  
  At the 1:27 mark of the clip, have a look at the brave “tigers” of the IDF dealing to a 17-year-old boy.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv9suyKsV3U
  
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  December 15, 2016 12:15pm
  - starboard
    
    17 year old is not a boy morris..stop trying to be being so dramatic.
    
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    December 15, 2016 12:27pm
    - Morrissey
      
      They beat up old women too. Are you okay with that as well?
      
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      December 15, 2016 12:30pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Morrissey , old women ? Link please ?
        
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        December 15, 2016 12:32pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Here’s an instance of them killing an old woman in the Occupied West Bank….
        
        https://electronicintifada.net/content/idfs-murder-palestinian-grandmother-tests-israeli-justice-system/4330
        
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        December 15, 2016 12:34pm
      - Morrissey
        
        And here are the “tigers” in action again, with another old woman, this time in Gaza….
        https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20150120-israeli-soldier-gives-74-year-old-palestinian-woman-water-then-shoots-her-in-the-head/?utm_content=buffer71736&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
        
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        December 15, 2016 12:37pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Morrissey , refuted here as a total fabrication ,
        
        “..While the motionless woman does seem to be the same one being given the drink, it does not constitute proof she is dead (she might be resting). Furthermore, there is no sign of blood or a wound as one would expect in the case of someone shot in the head from one meter as claimed.
        
        Also, a Google search of her name reveals all the reports of her being shot at close range originate after Avichay Adraee posted on January 2nd the photo of the soldier giving her water. But her death supposedly occurred on August 3rd. Why the radio silence for 6 months?
        
        The only earlier mentions of her name are here.
        
        Khan Younis Governorate
        
        Morning – Evening Paramedics and civil defence forces recovered 10 bodies, including Ghalia Abu Rida and nine resistance fighters from the rubble of destroyed houses in Khuza’a and Absan al-Kabira. They were killed following the shelling of the area.
        
        And this from PCHR Gaza:
        
        – In the morning, medical crews recovered the bodies of a woman and 9 members of Palestinian armed groups from the debris of destroyed homes in Khuza’a and ‘Abassan villages. The woman was identified as Ghalia al-‘Abed Abu Raida.
        
        Here, her death is reported in connection with an IDF shelling of Khan Younis on August 3rd, and not a deliberate execution-style killing as is now being claimed…”
        
        http://www.israellycool.com/2015/01/21/latest-palestinian-blood-libel-the-case-of-the-thirsty-old-woman/
        
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        December 15, 2016 12:44pm
      - Morrissey
        
        stephieboy,
        
        I indulged you over your support for ISIS in Syria. I put it down to a certain level of naïveté on your part, which I ascribed to a lack of knowledge rather than any inherent nastiness.
        
        However, seeing that your immediate reaction to this atrocity is to quote a ridiculous, even absurd, right wing pro-Israel site, it appears that I was wrong to indulge you like that. Shame on you, stephieboy, for your support of ISIS in Syria, and for your unconscionable support of the killing of civilians in the Occupied West Bank and the imprisoned enclave of Gaza.
        
        I doubt that this will have much effect on you, but there will be some Kiwibloggers out there who are serious and interested in finding out the truth, no matter how confronting it is. For those people—though probably not, sadly, for our friend stephieboy—I commend spending 27 minutes of your time watching the following….
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQK19h24TcM
        
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        December 15, 2016 7:43pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Well, given that the Palestinians primarily target Israeli women and children because they’re to shit scared and cowardly themselves to challenge the army I’d say that they’re projecting. These are the people who train their children to blow themselves up because they enjoy the death and destruction they cause.
    
    Nice friends you have Morrisey, the most evil and despicable civilization on earth.
    
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    December 15, 2016 1:16pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Ed Snack , always intersted how you propse to combat the 1.6 billion adherents of this ” despicable civilisation ”
      
      Are you suggesting this kind of thing by ” Christian “Germany ?
      
      https://aos.iacpublishinglabs.com/question/aq/700px-394px/did-holocaust-place_8d2c2232f868bd9c.jpg?domain=cx.aos.ask.com
      
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      December 15, 2016 4:30pm
Manolo

Our own Griff, peerless scientist, blames AGW for it:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/14/wipeout-huge-19-meter-high-wave-sets-new-record.html

Experts at the World Meteorological Organization say they have established a new world record for wave height.

An automated buoy recorded the wave in a part of the North Atlantic Ocean between Iceland and the U.K. on 4 February 2013. It was 19 meters in height.
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December 15, 2016 11:40am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, share with us your scientific credentials other than maybe Birther and Alt Right Conspiracy theories ?
  
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  December 15, 2016 12:20pm
Manolo

Imagine Bruv’s delight:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/sport/rugby-union/new-zealand-rugby-boosts-all-blacks-pay-packets/ar-AAlxC1l?li=BBqdk7Q&ocid=mailsignout

Captain Kieran Read is likely to become the first All Black to earn more than $1 million per season after New Zealand Rugby agreed a major boost in salaries under a collective agreement with its Players’ Association.

In a move detailed on Wednesday, NZR as agreed to boost its player payment pool by $70 million from $120 million to $190 million over the next three years.
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December 15, 2016 11:46am
- Morrissey
  
  As a matter of interest, why would Bruv object to footballers getting paid big money?
  
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  December 15, 2016 7:13pm
Keeping Stock

Oh dear; so that narrative about Trump supporters abusing Muslims is now in tatters:

She made it all up — and now she’s under arrest.

The Muslim college student who claimed she was harassed on the subway by three men who shouted “Donald Trump,” called her a terrorist and tried to rip her hijab off her head has admitted to detectives that she concocted the entire story, the Daily News has learned.

Yasmin Seweid, 18, has been charged with filing a false report, a police source said.

Seweid had numerous opportunities to admit the incident never happened but again and again stood by her story, the source said.

On Wednesday, after again being confronted with questions from detectives increasingly suspicious of her story she recanted and said she made it all up, citing family problems.

The police source said criminally charging her was appropriate.

“This isn’t something we normally like to do but she had numerous opportunities to admit nothing happened and she kept sticking by her story,” the source said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/muslim-woman-reported-trump-supporter-attack-made-story-article-1.2910944

And the media wonders why it rates even lower than politicians on trust surveys…
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December 15, 2016 11:49am
- stephieboy
  
  Keeping Stock , now why the alt right media ( Infowars , WND, Fox ,Breitbart ) rate anything at all etc when they peddle this kind of garbage ,
  
  https://trofire.com/2016/12/06/breitbarts-pizzagate-conspiracy-fake-news-inspires-real-violence/
  
  DUH !
  
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  December 15, 2016 12:23pm
wiseowl

Thank goodness for Trumpy.
The USA has funded a quarter of the UN’s budget.!
He doesn’t think they do much for democracy.
yay.

We should be right behind disestablishing this marxist organisation before it totally destroys us.
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December 15, 2016 12:48pm
- starboard
  
  “USA ” ! ” USA”! “USA”!
  
  Go the Trumpster ! Shove it right up the inept and waste of space UN. Cut their funding in half.
  
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  December 15, 2016 1:08pm
Manolo

President-elect Trump in action:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/technology/trump-tech-summit.html

The technology industry always has its eyes on the future, but few foresaw the scene that played out on Wednesday afternoon in Trump Tower.

One by one, the leaders of the world’s most elite and successful technology companies trooped up to the 25th floor to meet President-elect Donald J. Trump, who had criticised them and who they, in turn, had criticised.
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December 15, 2016 12:51pm
Fletch

Voter fraud in Detroit where Hillary Clinton won big.

Officials uncover more votes than voters in a third of the city’s precincts. Thanks Jill Stein for uncovering this Dem fraud.

“It’s not good,” conceded Daniel Baxter, elections director for the city of Detroit.

Once they started the Michigan recount in earnest, and knowing he would be exposed, the Detroit City Clerk Daniel Baxter all of a sudden started claiming that the optical scanners which read the paper ballots did not work the day of the election. Baxter blamed the discrepancies on decade-old voting machines. That is his cover story. Nothing like this was mentioned until he realized their voting fraud scheme would be detected.

Baxter’s claim is that, when trying to push the ballots through the readers, the ballots would be stuck and they’d have to push them through again thus ‘ACCIDENTALLY’ resulting in a double count. He says the poll workers sometimes ‘FORGET’ to adjust the machine count and instead let the ballot count twice.

https://twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/809003930516496384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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December 15, 2016 1:21pm
Jack5

Jihadists are “hiding in plain sight” in migrant/refugee flows, warns the head of Britain’s armed services.

How long before some slip into NZ? Or perhaps they’re already here?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/14/jihadists-hiding-plain-sight-among-migrants-head-armed-forces/
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December 15, 2016 1:28pm
- stephieboy
  
  jack5, as I did once suggest approach the SIS and offer your services as a volunteer keeping a clandestine watch on those Syrian refugee families in Tartanville.
  
  They may even offer you a suitable disguise kit such as a Niqab !
  
  http://religionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/thumbRNS-FRANCE-NIQAB102015.jpg
  
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  December 15, 2016 4:14pm
  - Jack5
    
    Be careful Stephie X. You never know when the spooks will infiltrate the Stephie troll team.
    
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    December 15, 2016 4:45pm
Jack5

Now the multiculturists are going after the Salvation Army – because it won’t sell Buddha statues.

Leave the Sallies alone.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11767465
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December 15, 2016 1:50pm
Manolo

Will this leave any impression on the nutter Gareth Morgan, NZ oracle and know-it-all?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/child-chain-gangs-north-korea-9460513

Human rights’ groups fury as footage sneaked out of the secretive country shows children subjected to slave labour.
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December 15, 2016 2:20pm
mikenmild

1ooth anniversary today of the birth of Maurice Wilkins, second New Zealander to receive a Nobel Prize. Born in Pongaroa, but moved with his family to Britain aged 6. Famous for the discovery of the structure of DNA, along with Crick and Watson. He died in 2004. The Maurice Wilkins Centre for Molecular Biodiscovery at Auckland University is named for him.
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December 15, 2016 2:28pm
Manolo

From the NBR:
Just In: Foreign Minister Murray McCully is quitting politics. Will stay until the next election.
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December 15, 2016 2:37pm
Lucia Maria

I bet Putin never misses any of his intelligence briefings.

U.S. Officials: Putin Personally Involved in U.S. Election Hack

Putin’s objectives were multifaceted, a high-level intelligence source told NBC News. What began as a “vendetta” against Hillary Clinton morphed into an effort to show corruption in American politics and to “split off key American allies by creating the image that [other countries] couldn’t depend on the U.S. to be a credible global leader anymore,” the official said.
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December 15, 2016 3:04pm
Keeping Stock

Manolo – from the Herald:

Foreign Minister Murray McCully has announced he will not stand again in the 2017 election.

In a statement, McCully said he would not put his name on the National Party list for 2017 and would bow out of politics at that point, but would stay on in Foreign Affairs until then if that was Prime Minister Bill English’s wish.

“In light of the upcoming Cabinet reshuffle, I want to be clear that I will not be a nominee for the National Party list. I have made the Prime Minister and other senior colleagues aware of this position,” McCully said.>/i>

I somehow suspect it will be English’s wish to move someone else into the Foreign Minister portfolio; possibly Jonathan Coleman. That would leave an opening in Health, and what about offering that to Judith Collins?
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December 15, 2016 3:04pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  …what about offering [Health] to Judith Collins?
  
  Oh, please do! How I’d enjoy seeing Collins appearing on the news to sneer at the malingerers and hypochondriacs expecting the government to fund a functional public health system.
  
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  December 15, 2016 4:01pm
Lucia Maria

This is hilarious and a little disturbing when it’s laid out the way it is: How we would cover Russia’s pro-Trump hack if it happened in another country by Vox.

Here’s a taste:

The allegations have inflamed the American public, and even some US lawmakers, because of fears that Mr. Trump, like other strongmen with ties to Moscow, might allow Russian President Vladimir Putin to wield undue influence over his country. But Mr. Trump seems not to care — early in the week, he appointed Rex Tillerson, an oil magnate with extensive business interests in Russia, to serve as the nation’s chief diplomat.

It seems, to some observers, that America is going the way of countries like Ukraine and Hungary — allowing democratic procedures to elevate a Moscow-friendly authoritarian to the country’s highest office.

“I’ve never seen anything like this in my time,” Theda Ornstein, an America watcher at the UK’s Oxbridge University, says. “Welcome to Trump’s America.”

and this …

ExxonMobil, the oil company led by Mr. Tillerson, stands to make billions of dollars if America relaxes its laws restricting business with the Russian state.

“This is outrageous,” said Rachel Hayes, a news broadcaster at the opposition-aligned MSNBC cable channel. “While we don’t know that Russia wanted Trump to win, for sure, the fact that it’s even plausible shows just how far down the rabbit hole America has gone.”

Ms. Hayes’s anger was shared even among some members of Mr. Trump’s center-right Republican Party. The Republicans have long been hostile to Russia, part of the dogma laid down by actor and venerated former party leader Ronald Reagan. Mr. Trump has challenged Reaganite doctrine in many areas, but none quite so brazenly.

“We will investigate this — you can be sure,” Lindsay McCain, a fiery Republican member of the upper house of America’s legislature, told reporters outside the opulent capitol building.

Ahhh, when satire is so close to the truth it’s damn scary.

Downtick away, Kremlin trolls (and useful idiots)!
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December 15, 2016 3:20pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  ExxonMobil, the oil company led by Mr. Tillerson, stands to make billions of dollars if America relaxes its laws restricting business with the Russian state.
  
  That’s not “satire,” it’s “reporting.” Trump’s taking conflicts of interest to Third-World levels.
  
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  December 15, 2016 4:04pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Psycho,
    
    Yep. I’m going with the flow here, though. Vox have named it satire in their html label, because of the way they’ve written it rather than the actual content.
    
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    December 15, 2016 5:33pm
- cha
  
  Love actually.
  
  To Putin, Trump is perfect. pic.twitter.com/LQO6nyvMJs— JOE.co.uk (@JOE_co_uk) December 14, 2016
  
  https://twitter.com/JOE_co_uk/status/809110721384431617
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:07pm
cha

Should be good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-eMt3SrfFU&feature=youtu.be
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December 15, 2016 3:48pm
- mikenmild
  
  Looking forward to it, although I thought Atonement was a pretty good recreation of Dunkirk.
  
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  December 15, 2016 4:41pm
Manolo

Another fat bastard continues to moan and bitch:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/michael-moore-donald-trump-is-gonna-get-us-killed/ar-AAlzSal?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Michael Moore’s voice grew louder than it had been in years during the 2016 election, and it hasn’t stopped since Donald Trump was elected president.
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December 15, 2016 3:54pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , can’t recall you whinging about him back in Septemeber when he was predicting even then a Trump victory ?
  
  He did though award Trump the accoldae as the most “vile and disgusting “candidate ever ,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQs1mRDuB4k
  
  Thoughts ?
  
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  December 15, 2016 4:37pm
  - rangitoto
    
    “when he was predicting even then a Trump victory”
    
    Even a stopped clock gets it right sometimes. It doesn’t give any credit to MM.
    
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    December 15, 2016 5:30pm
    - stephieboy
      
      rangitoto, MM was reporting out of the rust belt heartland and could see clearly where the voters were leaning towards and it wasn’t Hillary Clinon .I would say a pretty pereceptive analyis there .
      
      No stopped clocks were to be seem around his hometown Flint and Michigan etc !
      
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      December 15, 2016 6:24pm
      - Manolo
        
        And why your idol Mrs Clinton, defender of the poor, would not be favoured by the very same people she claimed to represent? Why was she unable to connect with the American workers?
        
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        December 15, 2016 6:29pm
Viking2

So the prole board accuse Watson of being angry by two nutcrackers and refuse him parole again.

I quite imagine that he would be.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/87285348/double-murderer-scott-watson-denied-parole

Certainly another outfit that needs a sort out.
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December 15, 2016 4:20pm
- stephieboy
  
  Viking 2 , is it possible that as DPF suggested that there must be serial killer at large given Watson’s , Bain’s and Lundy’s alleged innocence ?
  
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  December 15, 2016 4:42pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Hey stifygal maybe that “serial killer” killed Kirsty Bentley as the dumbo keystone cops are none the wiser to that homicide?
    
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    December 15, 2016 4:50pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Hey Dad,
      
      Before I get back to the usual stance of being a smart arse, you did some great work with the Somerville folks. Big Ups to you.
      
      Are you open to responding to questions around that, genuine ones…. or don’t want to go there which would be fair enough
      
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      December 15, 2016 5:22pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      D4J
      
      Bentley… the brother did it and the father had to clean it up, he lost one child but didn’t want to lose them both so never dobbed him in??
      
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      December 15, 2016 8:30pm
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I will answer your questions fire away.
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December 15, 2016 5:24pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Are you still doing that kind of work or did what happened put you off?
  
  What was the link with Sommerville and Lowry, neighbours right? but was he having a crack and got turned down??
  
  There is always a few local stories that dont surface, did you have any inkling of just what he was capable of?
  
  No talk I have heard of substance abuse of any kind or did I miss it?
  
  Was his computer checked forensically and was there some dodgy-as-hell porn going on?
  
  Thanks D4J!
  
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  December 15, 2016 5:35pm
  - dad4justice
    
    I still do that work however that case knocked me hard. I have helped hundreds of people.
    
    Yes to what you said about Lowry.
    
    Yes I had serious doubts of his ability as a father and I was giving the couple hope as a Family Court advocate, but never would have agreed to the three children being placed in their custody.He was a very scary individual. I had to put him in his place a number of times. Mrs Somerville was an angel and thankful for my assistance.
    
    No substance abuse.
    
    No porn on computer and Mrs Somerville’s last email was to me , he saw it and killed her.
    
    NZ police respect my judgement.
    
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    December 15, 2016 6:45pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      D4J:
      
      Great stuff. You cop a lot of flack on Kiwiblog, but hopefully everyone will agree that on this issue you deserve our respect.
      
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      December 15, 2016 6:55pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      OK, I wondered about the porn as something that would have fed has desire/appetite. Then alcohol/drugs to desensitise him. Its a bit more disturbing that they weren’t part of the picture!
      
      When you say you had to put him in his place, I assume he would back down quickly to blokes and bully woman/children? or was there an anger/menace regardless?
      
      Don’t need/want to know what was in that email, but certainly must be solace knowing she trusted you to that point, even if it did lead to her death. I hope that you offered her that confidence does help.
      
      Thanks again D4J
      
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      December 15, 2016 6:56pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Thank you Awww C-mon and Nostradamus I may appear to come across as a nutbar at times on this blog, but I can assure you both I have assisted NZ police on a few unsavoury things like homicides, rapes, child abuse to name a few. Cops respect me now, because they know my knowledge about such matters is factual. I just wish they would act on my information regarding the Kirsty Bentley homicide.
        
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        December 15, 2016 7:07pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        D4J we all come here for different reasons and those don’t always define us in our ‘real’ lives.
        
        You do have my respect for what you do and what did with the Sommervilles, that won’t change by one or both of us being smart arse’s here.
        
        God Bless
        
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        December 15, 2016 7:27pm
Manolo

Rome, the Eternal City:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/743558/Rome-war-migrants-poor-Italians-Vatican-City-Virginia-Raggi

Rome is on the verge of war as friction grows between poor Italians and and an increasing number of migrants, the City’s mayor has warned.
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December 15, 2016 5:30pm
Michael

Scott Watson denied parole , again.
Maybe he should explain where he was until 5 pm. on New Year’s day when he arrived at Erie Bay.
Maybe he should explain why he cut those pieces out of that squab. I mean , he only had to turn that squab over if it was only paint and cigarette burns he didn’t want visitors to see. Mind you I see on the FSW website his sister Sandy has made the comment that she was there when he spilt paint on that squab. If that is true then why did she not testify to that effect?
Was there a mystery ketch? No-one saw it arrive and no-one saw it leave. One person saw a ketch arrive at around 8 p.m, the same time as the Alliance arrived. No-one saw two ketches arrive at that time. Who delivered Watson to his sloop between 3.30 am and 4 am? Had to be Guy Wallace, surely , as he was the only water taxi driver operating at that time. But Wallace doesn’t remember doing that, although he does remember delivering a ” mystery man” to a “mystery ketch” at much the same time.
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December 15, 2016 5:45pm
fernglas

From a UK study
“Fifty per cent of children in 4+ child families are poor compared with only 23% in one- child families. Children in 3+ child families constitute 42% of all poor children.”
Why is there such a reluctance to discuss the role of childbearing rates in the creation of child poverty?
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December 15, 2016 6:17pm
- nasska
  
  ….”Why is there such a reluctance to discuss the role of childbearing rates in the creation of child poverty?”….
  
  Because the second you query the right of uneducated yet fecund deadbeats to breed at will you leave yourself open to accusations of advocating for eugenics. Then there’s the religious organisations who rely on a steady supply of children to brainwash in order to grow their base.
  
  The suffering & misery of the kids doesn’t matter.
  
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  December 15, 2016 7:01pm
  - GoVege
    
    Worse than that, nasska.
    According to some blurb put out by the UN, advocating that a group of people reduce the number of their children, is “genocide”.
    So to suggest that poor people who don’t normally practise contraception, start doing so, is actually genocide.
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:46pm
- Harriet
  
  WFF is an acknowledgement by government that most businesses in NZ cannot pay enough in wages to support a family with 2 working adults.
  
  NZ businessmen don’t get to decide morality – or reproduction. Most should have been drowned at birth for what they are ‘really’ worth to the country. 😎
  
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  December 15, 2016 7:10pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Harriet , so we learn to breed the Roman Catholic way ?
    
    https://unapologeticallykate.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/catholic.jpg
    
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    December 15, 2016 7:30pm
  - GoVege
    
    They used to pay enough Harriet, before the ECA of 1991.
    And when houses weren’t an average of 1 million dollars.
    Who are you suggesting should be drowned at birth….the businessmen?
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:50pm
wiseowl

How does one complain about TV3 news.
The website has no way of contacting.
The news item on Syria was disgusting.Missed where they pulled it from.
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December 15, 2016 6:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  You can make a formal complaint here ,
  
  http://www.mediaworks.co.nz/MediaWorks/SendusFeedback.aspx
  
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  December 15, 2016 6:28pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Not having watched it, so I’m going to have to guess. It wasn’t all sweetness and light and instead showed the murderous nature of the war against civilians that Russia and the Assad regime have been engaging in? And you who have access to alternative media don’t believe any of it because the Russians are good guys and Assad is just swell, and that’s not what is happening on the ground at all because RT has the real story.
  
  Yes, no, something else?
  
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  December 15, 2016 6:36pm
wiseowl

Thanks SB.
Reading through all that one can see plenty of opportunity for outs.
I would like to grab a hold of some bastard that I could front up to and ask for an explanation.
The state of our news coverage that indoctrinates the masses is truly appalling.
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December 15, 2016 6:40pm
Nostradamus

Lucia Maria:

I note your comment above:

I consider the Russians extremely dangerous

This is something for another time and another thread, perhaps, but I’d be keen to see a debate between you (blue team) and Reid/Andrei (red team) regarding how Western countries should engage with Russia. I think the three of you are capable of having an intelligent debate without resorting to “my link is better than yours” strategies. And hopefully the rest of us could learn something new.
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December 15, 2016 6:49pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Nostradamus,
  
  It would be impossible for such a debate to be constructive. Reid lives in an alternate reality and Andrei is so biased that he could almost live in that alternate reality with Reid. Having a debate without any sort of solid agreement up front on what is true and what is fantasy would make the whole thing a farce. Though good entertainment for while – there are prior threads like this that last a bit before we all give up.
  
  Thanks for the vote of confidence, though.
  
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  December 15, 2016 6:59pm
  - tom hunter
    
    I’ve long regarded Reid as a meat-based SimCity.
    
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    December 15, 2016 7:37pm
- Harriet
  
  I’ll 2nd that nosty.
  
  I’d like to visit Russia one day in the future.
  
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  December 15, 2016 7:01pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Harriet:
    
    It seems that one Kiwiblog reader lives in Russia. Bruce recently shared his experience with Uber in Moscow and it was a really interesting comment.
    
    This is why I enjoy Kiwiblog – you have some well-informed commenters (and some ignorant trolls) who are willing to exchange knowledge and opinions.
    
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    December 15, 2016 7:31pm
    - nasska
      
      Stick around. We’ve even got a few who are prepared to share their beliefs in magic.
      
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      December 15, 2016 7:36pm
wiseowl

Lucia.
The bc standards talk about balance.
When a report gives a biased account and insinuates a party is committing certain act then that is not balanced.
I am suggesting that we do have alternative views so that the viewer can make up their mind,not be presented with one side of the story and I don’t care what it is about.
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December 15, 2016 6:54pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  The problem with alternative views is that then credence is given to those views – whether they are true or not. I always prefer to just be told what is happening, and balance be damned. But then that’s me.
  
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  December 15, 2016 7:01pm
stephieboy

wiseowl, RT and Sputnik always presents both sides of the story ?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/russia-today-correspondent-resigns-over-coverage-of-ukranian?utm_term=.efaDwRKl3z#.wdlaG3lYby
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December 15, 2016 6:56pm
Manolo

Corrupt. Like mother, like daughter.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/14/neil-cavuto-grills-christine-pelosi-on-faithless-elector-plan-to-reverse-election/
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December 15, 2016 6:59pm
Lucia Maria

Replied to Reid, but then his comment disappeared and orphaned my comment, which I deleted thinking I’d posted it in the wrong place. Here it is again.

Well, yes. With my family history (Dad’s family shipped off to Siberia when he was a child in cattle trains because they were enemies of communism, and then later he, he mother and siblings left to starve to death in Kazakhstan) – it tends to a certain immunity to bullshit with regards to Russian history.
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December 15, 2016 7:08pm
- EAD
  
  @ Lucia Maria,
  
  You do know it wasn’t Russians who controlled the Soviet Union though so why do you direct your blind rage at them?
  
  “You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators. – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
  
  ……………………………………………………………………………………….
  
  International Jews.
  “In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.
  
  Terrorist Jews.
  There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek – all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing” – Winston Churchill
  
  https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism
  
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  December 15, 2016 8:18pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Bullshit, EAD.
    
    If it was the Jews, they’d be doing the same damn thing in Israel, try to spreading the red plague outwards. Which hasn’t happened – the source was always Russia.
    
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    December 15, 2016 8:30pm
    - Reid
      
      Bullshit Lucia. Fact is, you don’t know for sure who it was, because you’ve never looked into the question, have you. What, you think a Nobel prize winner just made it up? You do, don’t you. You’re compelled to. Your hate-filled emotion won’t allow you to accept anything less.
      
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      December 15, 2016 9:12pm
  - EAD
    
    If it was the Jews, they’d be doing the same damn thing in Israel
    
    Who to believe more, 2 of the greatest men of history or a contributor to a crank NZ “conservative” website whose every story, almost without fail is to direct bile at the noble Russian people.
    
    You should know though that Marxism has just been repackaged as Globalism in order to make it palatable to the West.
    
    You need to pause and reflect of the outrageous double standard of the demonisation of Russia we are witnessing at the hands of our political elite and the people who control the MSM. Russia – a cultured nation that brought us so many composers and writers and how it lost 25 million in the war and yet to criticise the Jews who lost er not nearly as many in that war, is a hate crime.
    
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    December 15, 2016 8:45pm
    - EAD
      
      EDIT: And the 25 million really were killed by dem ebil Nazis!
      
      If any country were to have an industry for pushing relentless anti Nazi propaganda, Russia would have the right.
      
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      December 15, 2016 8:52pm
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD, shall we do a tally of Non Jews or otherwise that led the Soviet Union including members of Stalin’s Politburo
        
        Joesph Stalin and his principle henchman and fellow Georgian
        Lavrentiy Beria
        
        ( the one who replaced the Jew Yogoda of whom Stalin had executed )
        
        Both Non Jewish and Georgian Orthodox by upbringing
        
        Members of Stalin’s Politburo who were non Jewish or if so
        purged and executed
        
        Sergey Kirov ( assassinated believed by Stalin ..Jewish )
        
        Grigory Zinoviev ( Purged and executed . Jewish)
        Lev Kamenev ( expelled by Stalin and executed. Jewish )
        
        Sergo Ordzhonikidze ( died by natural causes . Non Jewish )
        
        Andrei Zhdanov ( died of Natural causes.Non Jewish )
        Nikita Khrushchev ( survived the purges. Non Jewish )
        
        Kliment Voroshilov ( survived the Purges Non Jewish )
        
        Nikolai Bukharin ( executed during purges . Non Jewish )
        
        Vyacheslav Molotov ( Stalin’s Foreign Minister . Non Jewish )
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politburo_of_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union#Stalinist_years:_1934.E2.80.931953
        
        Later Leaders ,Leonid Brezhnev and Yuri Andropov ( ex KGB Director ) Non Jewish
        )
        Mikhail Gorbachev ( Non Jewish)
        
        1991 the Soviet Uinon Collapsed . Jews resonsible ?
        
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        December 15, 2016 10:01pm
- Reid
  
  Lucia I deleted it because it wasn’t helpful. But it was accurate. Making history based on emotion leads to self-deception because you subconsciously ingest that and only that which matches your predisposition and reject vice versa material. Which means you come up with a flawed understanding not based in reality. And you don’t even know it.
  
  BTW I’ll put my understanding of Russian history against yours any day.
  
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  December 15, 2016 9:04pm
Reid

If You Are for Peace You Are A Russian Agent

http://www.unz.com/proberts/if-you-are-for-peace-you-are-a-russian-agent/

Some dumbos think that headline’s a joke.

WTF is wrong with people they haven’t noticed that big baddie Wussia is a Western propaganda caricature created step by step through a series of crafted imagery?

How many people know the role Nuland played in the Maiden Revolution? How many even know who she is? And why is this? Because she was the point-person for Killary on Ukraine. Western sheeple have never heard of her because Western sheeple get their world events from the Western media, but rest assured, she’s world famous in various places.

That was the first event in the concoction of the step by step story. The Western media of course never mentions the Nazi connections the ruling Ukrainian govt has, because that doesn’t suit the story its building for its idiot sheeple. It was of course another CIA-Soros special, with all the trappings, as we’re seeing in the US, with the Purple Revolution, with its Wussian-Trump election bollocks, its fake-news bollocks, its electoral college bollocks, and its CIA Wussia-did-it-but-we-have-no-evidence bollocks.

And that was step one, of the “Wussia is a big bad meanie” campaign dreamed up by the military-security complex since trillions was at stake since no-one could possibly justify all this military spend fighting rag heads in the desert with Ak-47s and a few technicals. You need a proper country to achieve genuine fear amongst the populace and Wussia is the obvious choice, although it could have been China. Notice that, though? China’s hardly ever in the press, vs big bad meanie Wussia, is it. Isn’t that peculiar.

Then of course Russia obliged tremendously over its Syrian campaign which spoilt everything for the Western powers’ regime change there.I wonder how much was influenced by payback for Maiden? We’ll never know, but the neocons are famous for generating blowback and this one was a doozy, look what’s happened now to the West’s idiotic neocon-designed regime change now.

And then Killary started losing. Before the campaign the big bad meanie campaign had been gathering steam but really was just ticking over, then when Trump came on everything changed. The way the entire Western media has taken on the Purple Revolution memes and the big bad meanie campaign is merely one, only since Killary lost, rising to crescendo, is a massive tell in this.

Of course if you understand nothing about propaganda you’ll have difficulty assessing what I’ve just described because you don’t know how it works you probably don’t even think it exists today, since it died out after those WWII posters you vaguely recall.

And that’s fine, just recognise propaganda has dynamics all its own like any field, and unless you understand it, what I just said may not make sense.
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December 15, 2016 7:35pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , wrong on a number of counts . Yes there were shameful incideces of Ukraine Nazi collaboration especially in the murder of Jews in occupied Ukriane . Bit these also occoured in other parts of the Occupied Soviet Union .
  Here is an example in Ukraine of attempting to redress and atone for a tragic past !
  
  http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-09-07/why-ukraine-s-newest-holocaust-memorial-so-important
  
  Hopefully you wont struggle with the facts and reality of the Holocaust in Ukraine or elsewhere in Occupied Soviet Union or Poland .
  
  http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/einsatz/babiyar.html
  
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  December 15, 2016 7:47pm
  - Reid
    
    Fuck you’re dumb. How does any of that relate to anything at all I said, stupidboy?
    
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    December 15, 2016 9:14pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , resoably inferred from this ,
      
      “The Western media of course never mentions the Nazi connections the ruling Ukrainian govt has, because that doesn’t suit the story its building for its idiot sheeple.”
      
      But the factual evidence for your claim ?
      
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      December 15, 2016 10:06pm
nasska

After reading about Scott Watson’s parole being shelved for the next four years & deciding to refresh my memory of the case I stumbled on this:

http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/crime/from-the-archives-an-interview-with-scott-watson/

I’m still 50/50 on his guilt or innocence but Watson’s description of the investigation & subsequent trial shows just how trials are manipulated.

F E Smith, who regrettably doesn’t comment here so much as he used to, has pointed this out many times. The Crown has unlimited resources & no scruples about downgrading a defendants character to get a conviction.

Sometimes it worries me.
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December 15, 2016 8:22pm
Monique Watson

Holy Shit. Brownlee does not understand the concept of work. #Kaikoura
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December 16, 2016 2:07am
Manolo

Desperation among some Dimocrats:
http://nypost.com/2016/12/15/celebrities-beg-electors-to-be-heroes-and-vote-against-trump/

Celebrities are teaming up to beg Republicans in the Electoral College to vote against President-elect Donald Trump, pledging their “respect” for potential “heroes.”

The video, released on YouTube by Unite for America, not only features Sheen and Schiff, but also Debra Messing, James Cromwell, BD Wong, Noah Wyle, Freda Payne, Bob Odenkirk, J. Smith Cameron, Michael Urie, Moby, Mike Farrell, Loretta Swit, Christine Lahti, Steven Pasquale, Dominic Fumusa and Emily Tyra.
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