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Manolo

CNN refuses to open its eyes:
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/cnns-stelter-trump-win-national-emergency/
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December 13, 2016 8:01am
- Inandout
  
  Well it is officially the Clinton News Network, so no surprises there. Add to the mix a bit of Marxism and you get this kind of sad refusal to accept the inevitable.
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:06am
  - Gabby
    
    Cos the Fux network and the Reblubbiblubs fell right in behind the present president didn’t they.
    
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    December 13, 2016 8:57am
EAD

You see that New Zealand – contrary to what your own experience and what your eyes tell you refugees are an asset:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/86227212/ann-beaglehole-nz-and-hungarian-refugees-in-the-mirror-of-60-years

The first 66 refugees from Hungary arrived in Auckland on December 13, 1956. Department of Labour officials reported that: “A weary, bewildered and white faced group of people disembarked, facing the ordeal of landing, unknown, in a new country with strange customs, different laws, and above all a foreign language…..

New Zealand accepted around 1100 Hungarian refugees between 1956 and 1959. Governments opened doors for Hungarian refugees. How come many doors (including Hungary’s and New Zealand’s) are almost closed to refugees today

That’s that solved then – despite their different “customs”, “laws” & “language”, those Hungarians arriving in 1956 are exactly like the Somalians, Afghans, Pakastanis, Arabs etc, according to the MSM and we have nothing to worry about…
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December 13, 2016 8:09am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I agree. The Hungarians are not Muslim at all. They come from the heart of Europe and I assume would have an over all decent level of education.
  
  They would be bloody useless for setting up a ghetto, running a Mosque or living off the DPB while selling cars for cash.
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:43am
- Huevon
  
  Correct me if I’m wrong, but based on these numbers between 1956 and 1959 NZ’s refugee quota would have been 366 pa. It’s now 1000pa (plus the others that come under the family reunification policy). So how come today we are criticised for not having “open doors” when we are taking 3 times more refugees?
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:45am
  - EAD
    
    Personally, it’s not the refugees that are causing our country to become vastly transformed beyond all recognition. We would hardly notice 500 per year over even 30 years…
    
    As you allude to, thr family reunification swindle plays a big part – Ahmed Zaoui was just quickly refugee but the 18 family members he bought weren’t part of that 500 quota.
    
    Secondly, as I mentioned on yesterdays GD, over half of recent immigrants are low income Indian and Chinese migrants coming in under the guise of language training or education and then working for the hospitality industry or companies like Kathmandu where half their staff are low paid migrants seeking visa’s.
    
    “Theree are lies, damn lies & statistics”
    
    https://100daystodemocracy.wordpress.com/2016/09/02/islam-is-conquering-europe-whats-happening-here/
    
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    December 13, 2016 8:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD, Amy Brooke’s is talking a pile of shite . Muslims in Europe like here are not going to bury the white population by demographics ie. breeding us out of existence .
      
      https://exposingbf.wordpress.com/2015/05/26/the-birth-rate-myth/
      
      “Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable. ”
      
      Mark Twain
      
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      December 13, 2016 9:33am
    - KevinH
      
      The greatest diaspora to occur in modern history where a tidal wave of humanity originating from the United Kingdom, France, Spain, Holland and Portugal that spread to the four corners of the world is now drawing to a close.
      Beginning as early as the 1700’s, immigrants left their homelands, driven by tyranny, war, famine and a strong desire to seek out new opportunities, a better way of life for them and their families and a chance to begin a new life free of the influence of their repressive overlords.
      Inspired by the discovery of new territories discovered by the remarkable achievements of talented navigators, immigrants left Europe in their millions in one of the greatest migrations of all time, settling in the America’s, Asia, and the far flung lands of Australia and New Zealand.
      Those immigrants brought their technology, livestock, customs and languages with them as well as their socio economic political systems and set about creating a new world and way of life for themselves.
      Over the last 200 years those pioneering immigrants have largely achieved their ambitions and now live in prosperous stable countries. The drive to improve has become less important, those early immigrants are now settled.
      Elsewhere in the world over the same intervening period other countries have grown and are now experiencing the same pressures that drove those earlier European immigrants.
      The great nations of China and India have now reached the point where overpopulation is forcing their people to look elsewhere to seek new opportunities and a better way of life.
      What is now a trickle will soon gain momentum and become another mass movement of people moving to the four corners of the world.
      Those people will bring with them their languages, customs and socio political systems and implant them in their new homes and in the process bring about change to their host countries. This process has begun and change albeit incremental is underway.
      The era of European hegemony is drawing to a close and a new era of Asean hegemony is set to begin.
      
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      December 13, 2016 11:16am
  - Gabby
    
    We have about 3x the population.
    
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    December 13, 2016 8:59am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      A quick Google search backs up the fact that you a retard Gabby. So sorry, my condolences to your parents.
      
      “In the past 50 years, New Zealand’s census night population has almost doubled – from 2,174,061 in 1956 to reach 4,143,279 in 2006. There were 4,027,947 people who usually live (usual residents) in New Zealand on census night.” -This is according to stats NZ. Literally the 1st link.
      
      https://www.google.co.nz/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=nz+population+1956
      
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      December 13, 2016 9:25am
      - Gabby
        
        I didn’t have to google the date you fuckwit.
        
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        December 13, 2016 12:03pm
      - starboard
        
        Gabby’s the result of 2 cousins sleeping together,,aren’t ya munchkin..
        
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        December 13, 2016 2:42pm
  - Paulus
    
    Called Politics !
    
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    December 13, 2016 11:11am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD, the evidence that all Somalis . Afghan, Pakistani etc refugees or immigrants are all dole bludgers and nefariously working to destabilise and undermine the white mans world via white genocide ?
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:13am
  - Huevon
    
    Well, I certainly wouldn’t by a car from one…
    
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    December 13, 2016 9:21am
    - stephieboy
      
      Huevon , and why would anyone buy are car from you ?
      
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      December 13, 2016 9:27am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Steph, did you buy you wife’s Yaris off a man in Mt Roskill, and if not, why not?
        
        Are you racist or something?
        
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        December 13, 2016 9:32am
  - stephieboy
    
    Padriv Ustoev, no I bought the Yaris from Penrose Jap import car dealer with an AA inspection as I would do the same at Mt Roskill !
    
    You ?
    
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    December 13, 2016 9:41am
    - Manolo
      
      On the other hand, you can always trust an Indonesian car salesman. 🙂
      
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      December 13, 2016 9:43am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      But why didn’t you do the same? Why go all the way to Penrose? Is Mt Roskill not good enough for you or something?
      
      And why do you need an AA inspection? Don’t you trust the word of a Muslim car dealer?
      
      I bought my car in Mt Roskill from my cousin’s brother’s, sister’s uncle in law.
      
      He gave me good price. Did not even need an AA inspection, because I trust Muslim.
      
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      December 13, 2016 9:54am
      - Manolo
        
        Since when camels need inspection, stephieboy? The trucks of the desert are always reliable.
        
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        December 13, 2016 10:08am
      - stephieboy
        
        Padriv Ustoev, Penrose has perhaps the biggest concentration of Jap Import car dealership in the country .
        The car dealer is run by gentiles but I’m not sure if I would trust a” slav “like you .
        
        AA inspection for me a wise and prudent thing to do irrespective if it is from a Muslim , Jew , Gentile of a pagan like you !
        
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        December 13, 2016 2:49pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      You admit to owning a Yaris? *Snigger*
      
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      December 13, 2016 9:58am
      - Gabby
        
        You pride yourself on your greed and pomposity? Your mobility scooter is a mighty 7 figure piece of Aussie crap? Snorkle.
        
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        December 13, 2016 12:05pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        I only do German and Italian, sweetheart.
        
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        December 13, 2016 12:21pm
      - Gabby
        
        Why not just get an ‘I have a micropenis’ badge?
        
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        December 13, 2016 12:54pm
      - stephieboy
        
        RichPrick , my wife owns it .
        
        Yours ?
        
        This ?
        
        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Rare_German_Threewheeler.jpg/250px-Rare_German_Threewheeler.jpg
        
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        December 13, 2016 2:50pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        That’s actually really cool stephie, love it!
        
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        December 13, 2016 5:32pm
Inandout

How much does Andrew Beecroft get paid as Childrens Commissioner? If he chokes with sadness when he sees queues at food banks on his drive from his leafy suburb home, then perhaps he could billet a family in his undoubtedly large home.
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December 13, 2016 8:11am
- G152
  
  He has to pull christmas tear jerker messages or he loses his cushy number…
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:21am
- Manolo
  
  We must think Peter Dunne for this quango, mustn’t we?
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:25am
- marcw
  
  If he chokes with sadness while passing in his car, he should just use the bus. Problem solved.
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:52am
William of Ockham

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/electoral-college-members-russia-intelligence-briefing-vote-donald-trump-russia-a7470311.html
“Electoral college members demand information on Russian relations before voting to make Donald Trump president. The electors wrote an open letter to US Director of National Intelligence James clapper calling for the information prior to their vote.”

Is the pussy out of the bag?
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December 13, 2016 8:15am
- fernglas
  
  Of course not. There is no pussy to be let out of the bag. That is just false news made up by the Democrats who can’t get over the fact that Trump beat Hillary in one of the biggest electoral college landslides of all times. And even if the CIA say there is a pussy in the bag, I just don’t believe it, and I don’t need to read intelligence briefings to know that for a fact, because I’m a smart guy.
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:23am
  - cha
    
    Trump beat Hillary in one of the biggest electoral college landslides of all times.
    
    A projected 56.97% of the college is a wee slip on the Rimutaka Hill Road.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_Electoral_College_margin
    
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    December 13, 2016 9:09am
  - MCos
    
    If you are going to burble on about other people using ‘fake news’, fernglas, it’s a bit silly to use such outrageous lies to make your point.
    
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    December 13, 2016 9:46am
    - fernglas
      
      MCos
      
      I assume the outrageous lie to which you refer is Trump’s claim to have won the electoral colleges in a landslide, which I have so wittily parodied here. I too have read the articles which point out that in terms of previous Presidential elections, Trump’s “landslide” ranks 46th out of 58 electoral college results. I have no doubt that those articles were written by the CIA at the direction of the Democrats and probably with the connivance of the union organiser at Carrier, but I prefer to take them at face value so I can use their conclusions to wind up the po-faced. Thanks for biting.
      
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      December 13, 2016 11:06am
      - stephieboy
        
        fernglas , landslide ?? Not so quick off the mark ,
        
        2012 Electoral college vote ,
        
        Obama : 61.71%
        
        Romney :
        
        38.29%
        
        Have a nice bite !
        
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        December 13, 2016 2:58pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yep, I agree. The Dems need a reason as to why they lost so now they have to point to collusion between Trump and Russia as the reason why – that’s the new narrative.
    
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    December 13, 2016 11:04am
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch , I wonder what you attribute to Romney’s loss to 2012 ?
      
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      December 13, 2016 2:59pm
- Manolo
  
  Are you spreading more fake news, Willy?
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:26am
- PhilBest
  
  Interesting how it is only NOW that scrutiny of foreign interests potential influence on US elections is being demanded.
  
  Never ever happened before, of course, and there wouldn’t be any foreign interests who might have been working for Hillary this time, or working for O the last couple of times, and so on.
  
  The American voters wouldn’t be assuming “no influence from anywhere”, would they. They’d still make what they’d regard as the best decision regardless of which other people around the world support or oppose it.
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:54am
  - stephieboy
    
    PhilBest , and what if the claims turned out to be true and the President-elect had foreknowledge ?
    
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    December 13, 2016 9:26am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Hmmm, foreign influence? Guess what Norway, Saudi Arabia, Australia, The Netherlands, Ireland, Kuwait, Qatar, Brunei, United Arab Emirates, Taiwan, Algeria, Canada, Germany, Italy, Jamaica and Bahrain all have in common. Hillary is just pissed that she didn’t get a donation from Russia.
    
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    December 13, 2016 9:47am
- Ed Snack
  
  A letter originating from the daughter of a Democrat Party grandee who just happens to be an elector…why we MUST take it really, really seriously.
  
  Amazing just how un-self aware the left is on this, carrying on about “fake news” when they are by far the biggest generator of it. Though of course we are talking of different things, when I think “fake news” I imagine we are talking about made up stories with only a passing resemblance to reality; the left actually means “things I simply don’t want you to hear or think about”.
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:28am
  - stephieboy
    
    Ed Snack , as a Birther do you take Pizzagate seriously ?
    
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    December 13, 2016 9:43am
  - tom hunter
    
    Matt Yglesias-2010:
    
    Matt Yglesias
    @mattyglesias
    I think fighting dishonesty with dishonesty is sometimes the right thing for advocates to do, yes. That’s an honest view.
    
    Merely one of many journalist now talking about “fake news”. But hey, it’s sort of working: we’re talking about it – at long last!
    
    More! More!
    
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    December 13, 2016 10:18am
- Ed Snack
  
  So today at the White House press briefing
  
  “Press Secretary Josh Earnest explicitly stated that “US intel agencies didn’t detect any malicious cyberactivity “that interfered w the casting and counting of ballots” on Nov. 8″, a narrative at odds with that concocted by the WaPo, in its interpretation of what the CIA allegedly concluded in its “secret” assessment, which then begs the question: who is lying?”
  
  Treasonous attempts to delegitimize the election result – it would have been called that had the republicans tried this with Obama (or Clinton had she won). But they didn’t, and without a compliant partisan media, they probably couldn’t.
  
  Hypocrisy, thy name is Democrat.
  
  FYI, lead writer of the letter “demanding” a security briefing is Nancy Pelosi’s daughter Christine, no vested interests there no sirree.
  
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  December 13, 2016 11:35am
Happychappy

Andrew Little was not assure of himself as he has portrayed after John Key’s resignation. Labour and their Leader obviously held the opinion that Bill English was and is a easy beat and only had to turn up to be the Government after the 2017 Election. A couple of days of negative journalism and the fizz of hope and the confidence has been removed.
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December 13, 2016 8:18am
VicParking

The new Children’s Commissioner’s ‘top of the list’ that decides that children are living in poverty is that they can’t invite other children to their birthday party. This is a typical “western” view which cant be forced on New Zealand’s multicultural society.
Samoan, Tongan and other pacific cultural practice is that birthdays are not recognised on their actual birthday but all children a celebrated on White Sunday. White Sunday is a holiday held on the second Sunday in May and October. It is a day for parents and communities to acknowledge and celebrate childhood.
Because some families do not rate birthdays does not mean they are living in poverty.
Number two on the list is not inviting friends over for a meal. Visit any Pacific Island family and you will be offered food and drink. Once again Justice Becroft is trying to force white Western United Nation values on all New Zealanders. He has left the Children’s court in a mess and he seems to want to bring his incompositence to the Childrens Commission.
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December 13, 2016 8:26am
- Jack5
  
  And Becroft has been the driver for youth court age to be lifted to 18, and is already saying it should be 19.
  
  He’s more subversive than the old NZ Communist Party ever was.
  
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  December 13, 2016 1:18pm
hmmokrightitis

Question of the day:

Davd Little was on NatRad this AM, loudly telling us that the gubbermint must, as a matter of urgency start refunding the Cullen Fund and that labour would have not stopped funding at all.

My question: Has Mr Little been borrowing money to invest in his own super fund? And if not, why not?
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December 13, 2016 8:29am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Mr. Little has earned (sorry, been paid) upwards of 2ooK per year for the last 15 years and all he has to show for it is half (with his wife) of a modest house in Island Bay with a mortgage on it.
  He must have been doing something really smart with his money and we should obviously take his advice on financial matters.
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:11am
- holysheet
  
  The Koummiteeeeeeee and I have decided that my super fund will be topped up when we get into govt next year, so there is no need for me to do anything yet. I also need to swindle funds from union coffers to pay for my upcoming libel defence next year.
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:17am
mikenmild

Always good to see a Kiwi success story:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/87482202/sistema-sold-to-us-newell-brands-for-660-million
I hadn’t realised that Sistema was a NZ company. I’ll bet everyone has their storage boxes.
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December 13, 2016 8:33am
- Swifty
  
  A great story MM.
  
  Well done to all concerned.
  
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  December 13, 2016 10:55am
hmmokrightitis

And question 2:

Im a firm believer that the whole leadership change has been very carefully planned and managed, with wider knowledge (the kitchen cabinet at least) than has been confirmed. JK is too smart and way too canny to just go for something like this on a whim.

I suspect its been planned and executed to perfection. And labour have watched the process with mouths agape. The media tried to infer disarray, when everyone could see there was none; there was a well-oiled machine, which of course was what was wanted.

So my question is: Does David Little understand that whilst he is now up against a dour southlander that may not have JK’s ease of interaction, he is now facing a chess grandmaster when it comes to the next election strategy from national? How many political parties would have someone like JK, on the back bench twiddling his thumbs, and already planning the approach to next years election.

David Little, you’ve been well out thought by real politicians, who understand that sometimes you sacrifice a very important piece to win the battle. Be very afraid…
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December 13, 2016 8:37am
- Lance
  
  Do you mean Andrew Little?
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:44am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    I thought his name was David 😀 Do I have that wrong?
    
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    December 13, 2016 8:52am
    - fernglas
      
      How about Stuart Little? aka The Mouse that Roared.
      
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      December 13, 2016 8:56am
    - Gabby
      
      No way you’d get a name wrong homocrackedanus. That would be wude.
      
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      December 13, 2016 9:03am
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        I see what you did there gabby. I laughed. You may have missed that.
        
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        December 13, 2016 9:31am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      It’s a common error hmmo – the Mayor of Kaikoura made the same error, and the Herald last week thought Phil Rwyford was Andrew Little.
      
      Perhaps someone needs to have one of “those” conversations with Mr Little about his cut-through with the media and with everyday New Zealands.
      
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      December 13, 2016 10:47am
  - Kleva Kiwi
    
    David, Stuart, Andrew… its all the same
    There will be someone new soon enough
    
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    December 13, 2016 8:58am
  - Lance
    
    2 down-ticks for asking if another name was meant?
    
    WTF
    
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    December 13, 2016 10:22am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      Its OK Lance, one wasn’t from me, I still wuve you. But you’ll note that my phantom downticker is alive and well 😀
      
      Gives me one every day. Just like his mum.
      
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      December 13, 2016 10:31am
  - Paulus
    
    Who !
    
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    December 13, 2016 11:15am
- Happychappy
  
  John Key giving a lesson on never give a mug(Little) a even break.
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:49am
  - Gabby
    
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    Ponyboy escaping the decision to raise the superrannuation age. He’s a clever chappy but a bit crappy.
    
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    December 13, 2016 9:04am
    - mandk
      
      Says someone who is gobby and not very bright.
      
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      December 13, 2016 9:18am
brett68

Who’s running the Stand with Pike campaign?

http://standwithpike.nz/

Out of curiosity, I did a whois look up on it.

registrant_contact_name: Piko Consulting Ltd
admin_contact_name: Nevada Halbert

Piko consulting seems to be a PR company based out of Wellington who according to google is owned by a chap called Rob Egan who according to the bio on Boots theory
https://bootstheory.wordpress.com/about/

(cached version)

Rob Egan is an ex-senior advisor to two Labour Party leaders and co-owner of public relations firm Piko Consulting.

Nevada Halbert according to a post on Whale oil put her name forward for the Labour seat of Tukituki
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/03/labour-selects-home-wrecker-tukituki/

Having seen this it’s hard not to come to the conclusion that this whole thing is being run by either Labour or other closely aligned lefty activists and is been set up to try and politically embarrass the government.

I don’t know about you but trying to use a national tragedy where 29 people died to score the political points against the government is about as low as you can go.
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December 13, 2016 8:55am
- s.russell
  
  Also stupid. I know my reaction is firmly with the Govt on this issue. Risking lives to recover bodies is utterly bonkers. I feel sad for those who cannot accept and move on. The compassionate but sensible response by the Govt only wins it respect in my eyes.
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:47am
  - RF
    
    It’s interesting that no one has mentioned that two brave lads are still sealed in the Strongman Mine near Greymouth. A methane gas explosion in 1967, killed 19 men.
    
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    December 13, 2016 10:27am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Recovering the bodies is part of the reason as you should know. It is sad few can debate this issue logically rather than politically.
    
    Can you explain in your words how great the risk is as a percentage? Is it 50 – 50 or 1 in a 1000? The Solid Energy experts have not defined the risk they just say it is too high.
    
    Even if the issue was just recovering the bodies should bodies not be recovered at sea or in a sunken boat to plane if their is some risk?
    
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    December 13, 2016 1:14pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Winston Peters is willing to be the first enter the drift. He is a practical man from humble beginnings. He has actually worked in a mine in the late 60s.
    
    Where is the evidence of high risk. This plan appears to be more costly than using re-breathing apparatus but it is extremely safe. Nothing is 100% safe. There could be a major earthquake while people are in the drift. Those of you who hate Winston should be happy to let him go in.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11766014
    
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    December 13, 2016 2:28pm
- SteveRemmington
  
  I understand that the bloke Rodgers from Boots Theory is also a Director in Piko Consulting.
  
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  December 13, 2016 10:07am
- Komata
  
  brett68
  
  Thank you – very informative.
  
  Mr. Monk is, of course, a totally dis-interested party who ‘Only wants justice for the grieving relatives’.
  
  He does not, of course, have any political associations, connections or intentions (which, being a ‘Coaster, could perhaps be a somewhat difficult statement to make).
  
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  December 13, 2016 10:07am
- rangitoto
  
  Surely Labore would never do dirty politics. Tell me it aint so.
  
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  December 13, 2016 10:17am
- Swifty
  
  Well done Brett68.
  
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  December 13, 2016 10:58am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Nice piece of detective work Brett. So having “grieving” Pike River families turning up at Parliament on the new PM’s first full day in the job seems to be a political hit-job.
  
  What’s strangest of all though is that you are unlikely to see a connection like this disclosed in the mainstream media. I wonder why that is.
  
  Footnote: It has also long been alleged that Rob Egan has blogged at The Standard as Irish Bill.
  
  http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/04/the-truth-behind-the-environment-commissioner/
  
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  December 13, 2016 11:13am
  - SteveRemmington
    
    They now use the generic Notice and Features name to release posts from Labour affiliated parties.
    
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    December 13, 2016 11:22am
  - Swifty
    
    KS – It’s Dirty Politics!!!!!
    
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    December 13, 2016 11:24am
  - howitis
    
    Interesting to note that Bill English and Bernie Monk went to the same relatively small boarding school > St Patrick’s College Silverstream.
    Role 700.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Patrick's_College,_Silverstream
    
    https://paroa.co.nz/meet-your-hosts-bernie-monk/mr-host-name-3/
    Complete with picture of Monk smiling with John Key.
    Was this when Bernie received his Member of the NZ Order of Merit? MNZM.
    
    English was there from 1975 to 1979, when he was head boy.
    Monk there until 1972. No overlap but will Monk try this alumni link?
    
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    December 13, 2016 12:17pm
  - kowtow
    
    And this is yet another reason the so called MSM is going down the shitter , their clear partisanship.
    
    Again Paddy Glower this weekend past was on the tele “news’ pushing the access story as hard as he could and framing the parliament meeting on the coming Tuesday (today) as a huge challenge to the new PM .
    
    Truly , what world do these “journalist” live in ?
    
    And I have no doubt that these “journos” know exactly who is pulling the strings and behind the various and nefarious schemes as per above , but do they even hint at it ? Nope , not unless it’s Putin and the Panama Papers , or the US elections , or whatever other dastardly deed the evil Russians are up to.
    
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    December 13, 2016 1:58pm
  - Happychappy
    
    This from Chuck that says John Key only does things for votes and when Winston pull a stunt that is no different he is all for it. Like Winston you would be the first to complain and throw the health and safety laws at the government if any deaths occured and nothing would surprise me if you were a loyal union man.
    
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    December 13, 2016 3:47pm
- Paulus
  
  But where did my family contribution and the Taxpayers over $30,000,000 go ?
  I assume that it is from this money that the PR company is being paid ?
  
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  December 13, 2016 11:19am
  - doggone7
    
    To a Saudi businessman?
    
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    December 13, 2016 11:29am
  - Komata
    
    RF
    
    You’re not supposed to have a long memory; it scares the politicians.
    
    Paulus
    
    An interesting question, and on the basis of which might it be too far a stretch to suggest that this has the potential to be another ‘Waitangi-type’ gravy train? (One wonders).
    
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    December 13, 2016 11:57am
- howitis
  
  It is a pity these people with time on their hands don’t put the same or more effort into following up on the collapsed of the CTV Building in 2011.
  
  115 people were killed that February day.
  The people went into a 25 year old building that was built to Code and approved by Council.
  It was not a two mile hole dug through a mountain because some greenies were worried about some insects and scrub.
  There were no need for extractor fans and plastic bags to cover gas sensors.
  
  CTV was checked after the Sept 4 and Dec 26 2010 Quake and approved as safe.
  It was not deemed a hazardous environment. On a summers day you could go in there in shorts and a T Shirt. No hard hat required. No back up breathing apparatus. No Hi-viz gear. It was a place of business where overseas students could learn and a local TV station could broadcast.
  
  The CTV building was not a work site with a seven year history as a complete cluster Fu*k as Pike River had been.
  I’ll bet $100 Bernie Monk’s son told him about safety issues in the mine -or lack thereof.
  I’ll bet another $100 that the guys in the van on the way to the worksite were talking about issues and were aware safety was not all that flash.
  RIP the 29.
  
  The families of the Pike River deceased have received close to one million dollars per person.
  The CTV families received ACC schedule rates for lost limbs and lost lives.
  27 people from Japan died and they were mostly contributing to the NZ economy.
  Some of their families only received $5000 funeral grants under ACC schedule.
  Nearly as many people (27) from Japan alone died that day vs. 29 in total from Pike River.
  Japan had its own horrendous earthquake a few weeks later.
  Their families could not sue anyone for compensation- Council, Government, Engineers, Builders, or Employers.
  That is the law in NZ.
  
  There were Chinese children who were an only child where they were in NZ to learn so they could take the skills back home and support their families.
  
  A Tale of Two Disasters.
  One gets ongoing exposure at Full Retard level.
  The other is swept under the carpet with no justice or proper answers delivered.
  
  Pike River people incl Monk can just give it a rest. ie Rest in Peace.
  CTV Building. 115 Deceased. More than 100 families were directly affected.
  Some overseas families lost their only child with their whole adult life in front of them.
  Some people live on with lost limbs and psychological harm.
  Thousands of people from NZ and around the world lost immediate relatives that February day.
  ……and they have not had answers nor has there been the political will to give answers.
  
  No-one has been held to account. Not Christchurch Council (just like leaky homes); not Alan Reay; not David Harding; not Gerald Shirtcliff/Fisher or whatever the pricks name is. A building built to code (?), signed off, checked after 2010 quakes just fell over while the others beside it did not.
  
  There is always someone worse off than you Bernie Monk.
  
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  December 13, 2016 12:01pm
  - RF
    
    howitis.
    
    100% correct.
    
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    December 13, 2016 4:51pm
- rangitoto
  
  I see Winnie is saying he will personally go in to the mine and get them out. A true hero. I’m happy to chip in for a supply of candles.
  
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  December 13, 2016 1:59pm
Scott

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/11/least-26-dead-bomb-explodes-inside-coptic-christian-church-cairo/
One suspects the religion of peace strikes again. Bomb went off on womens side to kill as many women & children as possible.
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December 13, 2016 9:00am
- Ed Snack
  
  No way, obviously a lone wolf with no religious affiliation. Or a Jew, could be a Jew you know, that’s something that Gabby, Morrisey, and EAD could all agree upon.
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:32am
waikatogirl

18 month old boy disappears from Rotorua home overnight.

Boys father has gone on Twitter this morning to say the child was abducted during the night.

Police are investigating whether it is an abduction.

Please, please, let it not be another tragic and horrible outcome!
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December 13, 2016 9:07am
- mikenmild
  
  The child has been found safe.
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:08am
waikatogirl

Excellent. Thanks mm.
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December 13, 2016 9:20am
Manolo

The settlement with the CIA will be interesting after January 20:
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/309914-trump-it-would-be-called-conspiracy-theory-if-we-tried-to-play-the-russia

President-elect Donald Trump on Monday cast doubt on the secret CIA assessment that concluded Russia intervened in the U.S. presidential election to help him win the White House.

“Can you imagine if the election results were the opposite and WE tried to play the Russia/CIA card,” Trump tweeted Monday.
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December 13, 2016 9:22am
stephieboy

“Father ‘unconvinced’ of Watson’s innocence”

Watson, 45, is serving a life sentence for the killing of Ms Hope and her friend Ben Smart in the early hours of New Year’s Day, 1998. He has always maintained his innocence.

Gerald Hope met with Watson over nearly six hours and said, in a statement released this morning, that on several key points, Watson was either elusive, or had rehearsed his responses.

“..Mr Hope said Watson was silent, unemotional and disconnected when asked about crown evidence that the bodies were disposed in a sleeping bag.

He said Watson did not convince him of his innocence on four points, including his arrival time at Erie Bay and a sighting at Marine Head on the day of the killings.

Mr Hope also said Watson’s art work, done not long after he was arrested, appeared to be the work of a disturbed person, who at the time had no respect for women and was living a dark fantasy where death was the currency of the day..”

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/320261/olivia-hope's-father-unconvinced'-of-watson's-innocence

Notsofast and perhaps other Baininites, feedback please ?
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December 13, 2016 9:23am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  I have no idea of his innocence or otherwise, but take issue with:
  
  Silent unemotional and disconnected: Who wouldn’t be? Stuck in prison, meeting a father who thinks you murdered his child.
  
  And Mr Hope is now an art critic? Really?
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:34am
  - stephieboy
    
    hmmokrightitis, Mr Hope spent six hours with Watson as well as having his daughter murdered . I think those two facts ,including living and reading the case for a number of years,would put him in a better position than either you and me to form an opinion about Scott Watson. !
    
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    December 13, 2016 9:49am
    - fernglas
      
      I don’t doubt Watson’s guilt. But I do doubt the validity of relying on the perceptions of a parent of one of the victims to support that conclusion.
      
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      December 13, 2016 11:11am
      - Biscuit
        
        Exactly, Fernglas.
        
        Mr Hope is just the latest in a list of aggrieved people (Liam Ashley’s folks and Bernie Monk being amongst them) who refuse to put closure on the tragedies that have undoubtedly befallen them and move on…
        
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        December 13, 2016 11:42am
      - stephieboy
        
        fern glass and Biscuit , Scott Watson like David Bain has a lot of advocacy by various people including Journalist Mike White and Ian Wishart .Also , there is still a lot of public interest in the case
        
        I understand that Scott Watson”s advocates requested the interview with Mr Hope not the other way around .He I would have thought having lived and breathed the case for so many years would have something to contribute and form an opinion on it and the offender , subjective it might be.
        
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        December 13, 2016 3:08pm
Manolo

The Labour Party is trying to get them to NZ. http://www.msn.com/en-nz/entertainment/news/are-ellen-degeneres-and-portia-de-rossi-moving-down-under/ar-AAlt3NL?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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December 13, 2016 9:30am
Manolo

How times have changed for the useless Messiah:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/opinion/article120314663.html

Speaking of intelligence failures, we’ve experienced Obama’s notably false claims that al-Qaida was on the run, weeks before the 2012 Benghazi attack killed four Americans.

Almost two years ago, Obama infamously dismissed ISIS as a “JV” team, and it took him six months to devise a “strategy” for his “No. 1 priority” – defeating ISIS.

Last week Obama admitted surprise over the rise of that terrorist movement in the Iraqi power vacuum after his 2011 U.S. troop withdrawal. Was the president not listening during his daily intelligence briefings? Or did those agencies miss that too?
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December 13, 2016 9:40am
- stephieboy
  
  Mnaolo , the Benghazi conspiracy machine along with , the Birther and now the laughable Pizza-gate grinds on relentlessly .
  
  Give it a break please !
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:52am
EAD

A very good piece on the controlled opposition angle to the ‘far-Right’ populist parties emerging in Europe over at Daily Stormer:

http://www.dailystormer.com/nationalism-vs-anti-immigration/

Now, for those Americans who have never visited or lived in western Europe, I will explain the lifestyle in these countries so you can better understand why these “Anti-Immigration” parties are becoming so popular.

For years these people have had a life that is on the average much less stressful than that of the average American. They worked fewer hours, had shorter commute to work and they had much more well developed social safety nets. Labor protections and protections of the unemployed generally have been light years ahead of what Americans are accustomed to. Taken by itself, this is a positive thing.

However, with those benefits comes the side-effect of these people becoming extremely soft and extremely trusting of the government. They have historically had a kind of “Cradle-to-Grave” relationship with their governments. Up until recently, because of such benefits, there really was no reason to even question those ruling them, let alone go against them.

During this time, all kinds of sick degenerate cultural things were promoted and accepted without resistance. Things such as feminism, homosexuality and cultural Marxism.
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December 13, 2016 9:51am
Tauhei Notts

Brett68’s comment at 8.55 a.m. was brilliant. What a pity we don’t see that sort of thing in our daily papers.
But that Lewis Road Creamery advert in this morning’s paper seemed weird to me. I want someone with Brett68’s abilities to sort out the truth or bullshit in that story. My bullshit detectors were alerted by that advert, and I would dearly love to know exactly what the hell is going on.
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December 13, 2016 10:35am
- Biscuit
  
  Exactly, Tauhei.
  
  Does it never occur to our ‘journalists’ to say ‘Hey, those are some good points. Now, exactly why are you raising them? Are you an interested party? Have you a political agenda here?’.
  
  And, if they find that there IS such an agenda, to at least put a footnote to their story to the effect that ‘The aforementioned includes opinion from a (xxx) activist’…
  
  Of course, 99% of what passes for ‘journalism’ these days could easily merit the same sort of rider re the journalist him or herself! Think that execrable Katie Bradford and her ‘No matter what we do, no matter what we say, the polls still favour National’…
  
  The buffoons really don’t get it that Mr Trump’s recent success was in part a rebellion against the left-wing mee-jya telling Americans how to think.
  
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  December 13, 2016 11:51am
Keeping Stock

I got a Christmas card from Andrew Little the other day.

Now don’t get me wrong Andrew; I appreciate the sentiment, even if I am never likely to vote for you. But there’s the small matter of cost, because it carries the crest of the NZ House of Representatives. That means that I, as a taxpayer, have funded the printing of the card (including the picture of you and Mrs Little on the front, and of Harry the dog on the back), the cost of the envelope, and the postage. When the former and current PM get in touch with me, they do so by e-mail which is both better use of technology, and far more cost-efficient.

You visited our business a few years ago (you weren’t the leader then), and we exchanged business cards, as people do as a courtesy. I probably should have told you at the time I didn’t really want my details going into a database in your office, to be dragged out at Christmas-time or other times when you are wanting to communicate the old-fashioned way.

But hey; I hope you. Mrs Little, your children and pets have a blessed Christmas. You have a big year ahead of you with lots of challenges, some of which are a lot closer to you than you may think. Enjoy some family time over summer.
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December 13, 2016 11:03am
- mikenmild
  
  What a shocking waste of public resources.
  
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  December 13, 2016 11:44am
  - SteveRemmington
    
    MM
    While i agree the David Little has been abit off his game of late, i’m not sure bringing his salary into it is entirely fair.
    
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    December 13, 2016 11:56am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      Thanks SR, I lol’d at that one. And got the usual look from my team.
      
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      December 13, 2016 12:09pm
  - doggone7
    
    Our Nat MP did the same. Is that shocking waste of public resources?
    
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    December 13, 2016 3:39pm
- Biscuit
  
  It’ll get worse, Keeping Stock…
  
  Mr Little will almost certainly, between now and Christmas, be seen ‘helping out’ at a local Mission, serving food to show what a ‘wonderful man of the people’ he is…
  
  Lame, eh?
  
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  December 13, 2016 11:54am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  A shame NZpost no longer run a return to sender service.
  
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  December 13, 2016 12:09pm
Rich Prick

Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/judges-decision-expected-pennsylvania-recount-case-44139924
The numbers barely budged in Wisconsin after nearly 3 million votes were recounted. Trump picked up a net 162 votes
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December 13, 2016 11:17am
- RF
  
  It looks like Trump got the trifecta….. All 3 states have rolled over.
  
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  December 13, 2016 4:58pm
Fletch

Lest we forget – U.S President collusion with Putin –

OBAMA, ““On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space.”

MEDVEDEV – “Yeah, I understand, I understand your message about space. Space for you…”

OBAMA – “This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.”

MEDVEDEV – “I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.”

Obama hot mic from 2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNxEDomUlXw
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December 13, 2016 11:19am
- cha
  
  Damn treaty clause allowing the POTUS to propose and chiefly negotiate agreements.
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  December 13, 2016 11:27am
cha

The F-35 has landed in Israel!.
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December 13, 2016 11:21am
Fletch

Paul Joseph Watson on Russia “hacking” the election…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3EgJ7nIC0M
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December 13, 2016 11:21am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Your video is citing Wikileaks, a well-known front for Russian disinformation as a trustworthy source.
  
  Seriously, Fletch??
  
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  December 13, 2016 11:48am
  - Fletch
    
    I don’t agree with the Wikileaks part of his explanation, but I also do not think that Russia hacked the American election. It’s just the latest in a long line of tactics tried by the Left to still try and stop Trump being elected president.
    
    Looks like they will stop at nothing.
    
    Although I’m not a fan of Wikileaks, one point about the emails that Wikileaks produced – none have ever been contested as not being real.
    
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    December 13, 2016 11:55am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      A direct quote from your guy, “Who do you trust? Wikileaks, who has never put a foot wrong or anonymous CIA sources whose entire job description is based on deception?”
      
      Ok, so you might not agree with “the Wikileaks part of his explanation”, whatever that means, but you are quite happy to post without disclaimer an opinion piece by a guy who wholeheartedly endorses the trustworthiness of a Russian disinformation operation – because that is what Wikileaks is.
      
      Whether or not the DNC emails Wikileaks has posted being entirely true is beside the point. Whether or not you are a fan of Wikileaks is also beside the point. What is the point is that you are acting as a Russian disinformation agent yourself by posting links to Russian disinformation. What you think doesn’t matter – what you are doing is the point.
      
      I also don’t know what you mean by thinking that Russia didn’t hack the American election. Do you mean that you think that the Russians didn’t hack the DNC emails and pass them onto Wikileaks for public scrutiny? Or do you mean that you think that the Russians did hack the emails and pass them onto Wikileaks, but that they did so for inscrutable reasons, nothing to do with influencing the American election in Trump’s favour?
      
      Finally, I recommend you read this latest piece by John Schindler: Trump Declares War on the Intelligence Community. To clarify, this is not the left attacking Trump – it’s far worse. Your man is about to get eviscerated, and it will be all his own fault.
      
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      December 13, 2016 1:16pm
    - Manolo
      
      Quite the contrary: the emails are quite real, but the Democrats did not want the populace to know.
      
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      December 13, 2016 1:24pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch , you also cite Alex Jones second in charge .
      
      Seriously , Fletch ? Or given your Birther and other Obama conspiracy credentials should we not be that surprised ?
      
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      December 13, 2016 3:11pm
cha

Two and a half years, thirty three hearings, eight million dollars and not a sausage.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/house-benghazi-committee-files-final-report-and-shuts-down/95336692/
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December 13, 2016 11:35am
- Fletch
  
  cha, it’s pretty obvious that Clinton lied about the whole thing. That is one thing that came out of it. The day after the Benghazi attack, Hillary told the Egyptian Prime Minister –
  
  “We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest.”
  
  That pretty much settles it right there. Hillary Clinton – the Queen of Fake news.
  
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  December 13, 2016 11:40am
  - cha
    
    it’s pretty obvious that Clinton lied about the whole thing
    
    Golly, that’s settled it right there.
    
    Two and a half years, thirty three hearings, eight million dollars up against the wall when all they had to do was ask Fletch, Witchsmeller Pursuivant.
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    December 13, 2016 11:57am
    - Fletch
      
      cha, four Americans died in that attack: one of them Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens. Obama, Hillary, etc, then blamed the whole thing on an internet video (later disproved) because the 2012 election was coming up and it would look bad for Obama.
      
      So, the U.S should just say, oh well, nevermind; these things happen and not investigate? It was a complete failure in every way – the not providing enough security, despite multiple requests; the reluctant, almost non-existent response because of arms deals we weren’t supposed to know about; the blaming of the attack on an internet video and lying by Hillary to victims families that she would get to the bottom of it.
      
      The whole thing stinks, and you know it.
      
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      December 13, 2016 12:04pm
      - cha
        
        So, the U.S should just say, oh well, nevermind; these things happen and not investigate?
        
        They did, after an attack that killed 3,000 people, followed by wars in which many thousands more died.
        
        Congress held a total of 22 hearings.
        
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        December 13, 2016 12:14pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Fletch , 17 American Embassy personnel died in the April 1983 Beirut US Embassy bombing . It was established that there were very lax security procedures .
        
        Does that not count because it was under Ronald Reagan’s watch ??
        
        Don’t you think that stinks ??
        
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        December 13, 2016 3:16pm
  - RF
    
    Crooked Hillary had also sent an email to her daughter Chelsea that explained the true reason for the attack that had nothing to do with the video. Later she denied this but was exposed by Wikileaks.
    
    She is a compulsive liar.
    
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    December 13, 2016 4:20pm
Manolo

The news crooked Hillary and loony Stein were waiting for:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/12/wisconsin-recount-ends-with-trump-expanding-lead-over-clinton/

Wisconsin’s presidential election recount ended Monday with President-elect Donald Trump expanding his lead over former Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

But instead of exposing widespread fraud on Trump’s behalf, the recount found no major discrepancies and expanded Trump’s lead. After a week and a half of recounting, the final tally discovered 1,769 more votes than were counted on election night, and Trump’s lead increased by 162 votes.
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December 13, 2016 11:46am
- Brigitte
  
  Those russkies must be really clever. Not only did they steal the election for Trump, they did it by sneaking in and changing all the paper voting ballots as well.
  
  Perhaps they also stole 1 million votes from New Zealand’s last election as a practice run.
  
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  December 13, 2016 12:00pm
Manolo

Is it April 1st? The very fool responsible for the revealing and damaging emails has the cheek to complain!
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/clinton-campaign-backs-call-for-intelligence-briefing-before-electoral-college-vote-232512

Hillary Clinton’s top political adviser John Podesta said the campaign is supporting an effort by members of the Electoral College to request an intelligence briefing on foreign intervention in the presidential election.

“The bipartisan electors’ letter raises very grave issues involving our national security,” Podesta said in a statement Monday. “Electors have a solemn responsibility under the Constitution and we support their efforts to have their questions addressed.”
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December 13, 2016 11:54am
- cha
  
  And if they hacked the RNC and acquired kompromat on senior Republicans?.
  
  In case you missed it live, here's me today chatting spies, lies, Russians & Trump with @BuckSexton ===> https://t.co/aFvW0iafT0— John Schindler (@20committee) December 12, 2016
  
  https://twitter.com/20committee/status/808426294241214464
  
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  December 13, 2016 12:08pm
  - Fletch
    
    As has been attested by the RNC – none of their emails were hacked. They even offered the New York Times proof, which the Times didn’t want to know about and ignored. Maybe because the RNC didn’t have their emails on an easily-hackable homebrew server in someone’s bathroom like a certain Secretary of State we all know.
    
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    December 13, 2016 12:15pm
    - cha
      
      Well they would say that, wouldn’t they?.
      
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      December 13, 2016 12:20pm
- RF
  
  Podesta is the same dude who when he told Crooked Hillary that Trump had won, was screamed at and spat upon. She was hysterical with rage, throwing objects and blaming everyone in the room for her loss.
  
  A real nut job… America was lucky she lost.
  
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  December 13, 2016 4:12pm
Manolo

The future of Mt Roskill?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/12/saudi-arabia-headscarf-woman-twitter-arrest

Saudi police have arrested a young woman who tweeted a picture of herself outdoors without the body-length robes and head scarf that women in the kingdom are required to wear.
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December 13, 2016 12:18pm
- Inandout
  
  ‘A Saudi woman went out yesterday without an Abaya or a hijab in Riyadh Saudi Arabia and many Saudis are now demanding her execution’.
  
  And idiots in NZ say, oh no, Muslim women happily wear their hijab, there is no pressure on them; bullshit.
  
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  December 13, 2016 12:48pm
- rangitoto
  
  But Manolo, we are told it’s a choice.
  
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  December 13, 2016 2:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, a suburb that you seem to know very little about nor have visited and instead relying on the anecdotal whingeing of those like Stars and Stripes .
  
  A demographic of 6.7% Muslim that is about to swamp the 46% who declare themselves Christian .
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/DBHOH_Lib_EP_Mt%20Roskill_TOC_1/40f9b128a144e248ebd8ef3deae28fb43afa81f5
  
  LOL !
  
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  December 13, 2016 2:30pm
Manolo

Because of all those peaceful Lutherans from some hell holes life is changing in today’s Germany:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4024608/Cologne-deploying-extra-police-officers-New-Year-s-Eve-celebration-hundreds-sexual-assaults-reported-year.html

Cologne will deploy ten times the number of police officers it had on the streets last December at its 2016 New Year’s Eve celebrations.

Officials are determined to avoid at all costs a repetition of the disgraceful scenes of the last day of the year in 2015 when mobs of immigrant men sexually assaulted and robbed hundreds of women in and around the main railway station.

Cologne released details of its security plan for the festivities on Monday with the highlight being a deployment of 1,500 police officers.
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December 13, 2016 12:21pm
Manolo

The amateurish administration of an amateur:
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/confusion-wh-spokesman-claims-china-hacked-election/
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December 13, 2016 12:29pm
Happychappy

Well it seems like Andrew Little wants to score a hit on Bill English today on behalf of Bernie Monk. The Question is did you meet with the Family’s of Pike River today if not why not. So the battle will begin with Little the Union man making people accountable for Health and Safety but when it comes to vote for his Labour Party and himself the law means nothing.
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December 13, 2016 12:46pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  I hope some of PM English’s staffers have read Brett’s comment here at 8.55am. It might make for some interesting replies, or even better, a very pointed supplementary question from a National MP.
  
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  December 13, 2016 2:14pm
- Dave Mann
  
  FFS mate, get the guy’s NAME right…. its DAVID Little..! ???
  
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  December 13, 2016 2:24pm
Manolo

Are the US Democratas the new NZ Labour?
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/democrats-donald-trump-232491

The party loses its standard-bearer once President Barack Obama leaves office, and the Democratic National Committee won’t get a permanent chairman and staff until March, two months into the presidency. That Democratic power vacuum has raised concerns about the party’s ability to provide a united message — or even to stand up a centralized rapid response operation — for the incoming president’s first 100 days in office.
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December 13, 2016 12:56pm
SteveRemmington

To mitigate the potential exposure to risk of something going wrong Bernie Monk suggests transferring ownership and the subsequent risk of re-entering of Pike River to another Govt entity.

This does nothing as the Govt advisors still consider it too dangerous. However I have a solution.

Mr Monk needs to suggest that the risk needs to be transferred from the Govt to his company for the duration of the re-entry process. I’m sure he will have no problem with that.
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December 13, 2016 2:10pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Oh, here we go – Winston Peters is offering to lead the charge into the Pike River mine
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11766014
  
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  December 13, 2016 2:15pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Am I the only one who thinks that is actually really insensitive and offensive?
    
    I’m sure it will be celebrated but I think it is the cheapest and crudest(?) stunt I have heard for sometime.
    
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    December 13, 2016 3:47pm
kowtow

Diversity dividend , Germany.

“Shocking figures show 2,125 people were sexually assaulted, 199 were raped and and 380 were molested in swimming baths by a combination of refugees or non-German nationals this year.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/742717/Migrant-asylum-seeker-refugee-sex-attack-rape-assault-Germany-map-Angela-Merkel-Cologne
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December 13, 2016 2:12pm
kowtow

This prick should not pass go.

“Judge Jan Kelly convicted him and remanded him in custody to January 24 so his home address could be assessed for an electronically monitored sentence.”

No wonder NZ has become so dangerous, judges refuse to protect the public from dangerous thugs.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/87490883/Mongrel-Mob-member-assaults-student-for-wearing-blue-rugby-uniform
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December 13, 2016 2:18pm
- dirty harry
  
  He’s a special..specials dont automatically go to prison dont cha know.
  
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  December 13, 2016 5:01pm
cha

Proper fake news.

Want to know what Kremlin-backed deza AKA #FakeNews looks like?Just like this.https://t.co/Qu0SS57JFm— John Schindler (@20committee) December 12, 2016

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/808458223783178241
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December 13, 2016 2:31pm
Manolo

Towards the final disaster. What progressivism and socialism do to a country.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-12/venezuelans-rush-to-stash-cash-before-biggest-bill-is-nullified

Venezuelans were wearily rushing to deposit bank notes or dump their cash savings entirely on Monday following an announcement by President Nicolas Maduro that he was invalidating the country’s biggest bill because of what he says is an attack on the nation’s liquidity.

The socialist leader shocked the country on Sunday when he said the 100-bolivar note would be removed from circulation within 72 hours. For months, the South American nation has suffered a hard-cash shortage as inflation spirals toward 500%, which Maduro insists is the product of an “economic war” and an attempt by his political foes to smuggle currency out of Venezuela.
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December 13, 2016 2:51pm
JasonJohns

MSM view of the alt right
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/10/us/alt-right-national-socialist-movement-white-supremacy.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
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December 13, 2016 3:08pm
- Fletch
  
  To be honest, I doubt there is such a thing as the “alt-right”. If there is, it is not as big as the MSM portrays it to be. They are inventing this boogie man to scare the young and uninformed.
  
  http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/12/12/new-york-times-notes-the-rising-profile-of-the-alt-right-though-most-americans-havent-heard-of-it/
  
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  December 13, 2016 3:10pm
  - stephieboy
    
    The alt-right is more than warmed-over white supremacy. It’s that, but way way weirder.,
    
    http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained
    
    Various stands in the US including Neo-Confederates , Palaeolithic Libertarians like Ron Rand , White nationalists , neo-reactionarieslike the Tea Party ( who looks to a long lost golden right wing past ), Conspiracy theorist like Alex Jones , WND etc , etc . It can also be said to be a reaction against the dramatic social change seen in the last twenty or so years ,
    
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    December 13, 2016 3:29pm
    - Fletch
      
      Tucker interviews a reporter from Vox on “fake news”.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08axobwoiz4
      
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      December 13, 2016 3:45pm
Manolo

President-elect Trump to announce the name of his Secretary of State, Tuesday morning US time.
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December 13, 2016 3:08pm
JasonJohns

‘Diversity dividend, Germany’

Yes kowtow. Germany is paying the price for multiracialism, a policy imposed by occupying powers. But Germans may decide at the polls to reject the policy.
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December 13, 2016 3:11pm
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns , imposed by what occupying powers ??
  
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  December 13, 2016 3:18pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    The Allies. Multiracialism as a policy has failed as Kowtow shows and the German people may decide to reject it by voting for parties like the NDP.
    
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    December 13, 2016 3:21pm
    - stephieboy
      
      JasonJohns , since when did the allies impose multiculturalism on Germany ?
      
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      December 13, 2016 3:32pm
Biscuit

Have just finished watching Question Time…

Does Metty, the Red Green Party co-leader, not realise how asinine she looks when she asks a question, in faltering Maori, to a fluent Maori speaker and then has to rush to access the translation ear-piece so as to decipher the answer?
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December 13, 2016 3:12pm
- Manolo
  
  More ass than asinine, I believe. 🙂
  
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  December 13, 2016 3:25pm
- itstricky
  
  How many languages do you speak fluently, Biscuit?
  
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  December 13, 2016 3:50pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Biscuit doesn’t ask questions in a language he doesn’t understand and expect to understand the answer.
    
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    December 13, 2016 4:01pm
    - itstricky
      
      Shit, so now “trying” is a crime?
      
      I had no idea. I better stopping trying immediately.
      
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      December 13, 2016 4:04pm
      - rangitoto
        
        I’ll have to agree that Material is trying.
        
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        December 13, 2016 4:17pm
      - itstricky
        
        I find it trying when you come across examples of people who have to elevate their own sense of worth by putting someone else down. Hence I asked how many languages Biscuit spoke fluently. Alternatively, that could be how many s/he is studying at the moment?
        
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        December 13, 2016 4:24pm
  - Biscuit
    
    its tricky, i speak English and BS.
    
    But I don’t try to have a foot in both camps, as Metty is doing.
    
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    December 13, 2016 4:43pm
    - itstricky
      
      But I don’t try
      
      I wonder if they teach this stuff at primary school now. Should be right early in the curriculum, I think.
      
      Hey, Jake, don’t bother trying to read that book. It’s too hard for you and you’ll just look like a fool. Biscuit said so.
      
      Who? Biscuit? Yeah, has learnt lots of languages, knows how easy it is. You should listen to him, Jake.
      
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      December 13, 2016 4:54pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Its tricky, go look at the tape.
        
        Metty stumbled over her Maori.
        
        Okay, I will concede, it’s good of her to try.
        
        But then look what happened.
        
        She rushed to put on her headphones so that she didn’t hear Mr Flavell’s spoken-in-Maori reply but, instead, had the English translation supplied to her.
        
        This helped expanding her Te Reo Maori HOW?
        
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        December 13, 2016 8:42pm
- GoVege
  
  Do you know what they were talking about, biscuit?
  Hopefully something that might actually help Maori, not just showing off their 2nd language skills.
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:59pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Go Vege, I had the English translation of the Question Time order sheet.
    
    You would go MANY Questions Times before you found a single Opposition-asked question that ‘might actually help’ ANYONE, let alone Maori…
    
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    December 13, 2016 11:41pm
JasonJohns

‘I doubt there is such a thing as the “alt-right”

The alt right is a term created by Richard Spencer and made popular by grassroots activity. The MSM does not deserve to be credited with popularising the term. For this definition of the meaning of the term see https://news.vice.com/story/we-memed-alt-right-into-existence-our-extended-interview-with-richard-spencer-on-white-nationalism
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December 13, 2016 3:14pm
Biscuit

Stephieboy, 3.01pm.

Soz, maybe I am doing something wrong, but my PC won’t let me comment to your comment UNDER your comment.

Whoever made the first step, what POINT does it achieve?

Watson is not going to suddenly either a) confess or b) give any information that might lead to someone else being charged.

Call me cruel, if you like, but the two kids remain just as dead…
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December 13, 2016 3:17pm
- stephieboy
  
  Biscuit , just like the Bain, Crewe and Lundy family members ?
  
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  December 13, 2016 3:34pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Stevieboy, the Bain verdict reversal (in the second trial) simply condemned this country to endless appeals on ALL murder trials.
    
    Even Clayton Weatherfork (ha) appealed…
    
    (For the record, I think DB was guilty. Not sure re Lundy, the timing of his drive from LH to PN seems ‘off’.)
    
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    December 13, 2016 4:46pm
Fletch

Tucker and yet another professor (sigh) who claims that Trump is a white supremacist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeMJpuglHbI
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December 13, 2016 3:22pm
JasonJohns

Fletch what is wrong with making the historically grounded claim that white people have created and sustained the world’s greatest civilisations and produced most of its great inventions? Believing that just makes someone a realist. Trump celebrates America’s greatness and rightly says its is the greatest civilisation in the history of the world. America was led and made by whites. Therefore Trump is a ‘white supremacist’, so what? He’s just a race realist.
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December 13, 2016 3:26pm
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns , Hitler also made the same claim minus the Jews and look what a job he made of it !
  
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  December 13, 2016 3:36pm
- PhilBest
  
  It is important that on the evidence, and reason, we credit the evolution of our culture, not the colour of our skins.
  
  Many races had their time in the sun. Europe and Britain were not particularly ahead of the game until from the 1500’s onwards.
  
  If there was something inherently superior about “whiteness” or Anglo-Saxons, why did the inhabitants of Europe and Britain spend centuries with imperial masters coming and going, and “rises” followed by “falls”? And not a lot different overall conditions to those in China or Persia or some noted African or Indian kingdoms.
  
  There is a really important cultural evolutionary pathway running through Christianity, the Reformation, and the Enlightenment. Without this, the human trajectory was one of endless repetition of the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire, the Ming Dynasty, the Ottoman Empire, etc etc. Some impressive achievements, but nothing capable of producing “the modern age” as we know it.
  
  What if Christianity (in a predominant sense) had headed in some direction other than Europe, from Palestine, and some other continent had had the Reformation and the Enlightenment?
  
  Some of “our ancestors”, the Angles and Saxons, were primitive tribes with sacred trees, and early missionaries like St Boniface taught them that trees could be cut down and put to use without any spirits or gods being offended. Their whiteness hadn’t made them good material for economic development previously, had it? Mind you, many modern Greenies are white, too, and they are stupid enough to think a great leap backwards into nature-worshipping paganism would be costless in terms of the state of humanity. Most black or yellow people in the world today would be ahead of them on this.
  
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  December 13, 2016 6:39pm
Manolo

And some darkies agree with it 😀
Yes, not all cultures are equal. Bloody not!
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December 13, 2016 3:37pm
Fletch

IN a comment on Facebook, someone put the Russian election-hacking narrative into perspective..

Well I’m pretty sure the truth is still the truth, even if it’s the Russians that found it. The democrats are essentially saying “If the Russians hadn’t exposed our corruption we could have lied to the populace and maybe have won!”
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December 13, 2016 3:41pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Fletch, what happened to quoting and linking? The perspective is far more interesting when the whole conversation is given, including who made the quote.
  
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  December 13, 2016 4:25pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Ok, since you are unlikely to comment, let me say this about your quote.
  
  First of all the perspective is too narrow. The Russians didn’t just find the truth – they stole it. They didn’t put the whole truth out there – just what was helpful for them. No mass dump of Trump emails – just the Clinton side.
  
  Second, Russians and truth is a joke. When have the Russians ever been truthful about themselves and what they are up to. Their truth-telling is very selective and only limited to what directly benefits them.
  
  Third, part of the damage of this whole thing is elevation of the Kremlin and Wikileaks as being apparently on the side of truth, those that will save us from ourselves. From a propaganda perspective, this is gold, pure gold.
  
  Whoever your facebook commenter is, their perspective is severely lacking.
  
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  December 13, 2016 6:37pm
  - PhilBest
    
    No-one EVER “outs” any inside information that would be embarrassing to Republicans or anyone on “the right”, do they, no, wait…..
    
    The Dems are just sore that they have been the ones outed this time.
    
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    December 13, 2016 6:42pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Phil, I really don’t care about the Dems, and if you think that is why I am making these comments, then think again.
      
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      December 13, 2016 7:17pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No ‘Trump’ emails have been stolen. Or from the GOP (show evidence they have) They got Podesta through Phishing him on his gmail account.
        Phishing is pretty basic really. Hardly what you would expect from experts like the Russians or Chinese. And there’s no evidence the Russian govt did it. All that’s been said is ‘interests known to know the Russian govt’ which means anything.
        Besides Putin would really want Hillary as President because she is predictable, and the Russians have repeatedly fucked her and Obama over for the last 8 years!
        You just hate Putin so your bias is showing- again.
        
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        December 13, 2016 11:21pm
JasonJohns

Thankyou Manolo. Not all races are equal. Look at Africa and then America. There are sound reasons for wanting to keep your country white.

“One fundamental element of the Alt-Right that brings the disparate factions together is the awareness of the reality of race and the need for European Americans to have organizations and spokespeople that explicitly advocate for our unique group interests.”
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December 13, 2016 3:42pm
- itstricky
  
  is the awareness of the reality of race and the need for European Americans to have organizations and spokespeople that explicitly advocate for our unique group interests.
  
  Too true. Drawing swastikas, doing salutes and chanting sieg heil are unique interests.
  
  https://news.vice.com/story/watch-richard-spencer-rally-the-alt-right-america-is-white-peoples-creation
  
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  December 13, 2016 4:42pm
- PhilBest
  
  Rubbish. It is our culture that is worth preserving. I couldn’t care less if “western civilisation” is populated by a racially diverse melting-pot as long as its culture is still recognisable as such. Some of the firmest believers in it are people of colour, who put cringing white cultural marxists to shame. Thomas Sowell, for example. The great Martin Luther King even regarded the civil rights movement as “cashing a cheque drawn on the bank of the western enlightenment tradition”.
  
  The great cultural tragedy has been the neo-marxist cultural redefinition of everyone by their skin colour, so that the western enlightenment project is now a matter of “white supremacy” and only something for whites to pursue rather than universal values to be aspired to by all men. People of colour can retain pagan cultures, primitive superstitions, failed fundamentalisms, in their own nations, in reserves, and even in ghettoes in the west – and their backwardness will allegedly be the fault of “the exploitive west”, not their own cultures; and white guilt trips, payment of tribute, and cultural suicide, will be the “remedy”.
  
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  December 13, 2016 6:58pm
- Morrissey
  
  Quick, Jason, your friends are waiting….
  
  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f5/66/d3/f566d3453eb7b9167ec8a1b638819d7c.jpg
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:48pm
All_on_Red

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

The alt rights a bit of a mixed bunch.
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December 13, 2016 5:06pm
- itstricky
  
  So to draw a parallel with that other conversation:
  
  Where are the “leaders” such as Spencer standing up a denouncing the real card carrying, saluting, Nazis saying “they’re not part of our group”?
  
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  December 13, 2016 5:43pm
  - nasska
    
    Probably at the same place Muslims gather when they don’t denounce yet another terrorist attack carried out by their fellow Islamists.
    
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    December 13, 2016 5:46pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Exactly. This ‘why don’t they disavow disavow’ all the time is getting a bit tiresome. People see it is nonsense.
      
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      December 13, 2016 6:14pm
      - itstricky
        
        Now it’s nonsense?
        
        It was argument ~~du jour~~ of the month here for a long time. And still is.
        
        *EDIT: realised ‘du jour’ would make me a card carrying chardonnay socalist club member. Mustn’t be having that.
        
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        December 13, 2016 8:31pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Why should any of them disavow a group which is nothing to do with them. It’s not like they have formed a political party together.
        
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        December 13, 2016 11:24pm
    - itstricky
      
      I’ve seen Muslim leaders denounce attacks. This man Spencer doesn’t seem to be calming down the Nazi salutes in a hurry.
      
      I guess it’s a case of what you see, what you record in your long term memory, and what you choose to believe.
      
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      December 13, 2016 7:29pm
Nostradamus

Storm in a C-cup? Bare breast billboard causes a stir in Bulls

An ad for Tom Ford perfume on Bull’s main street showing bare breasts appeared in the town recently.
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Bulls resident Helen Cooper said she spoke to Mr Adams outside his shop on Saturday morning and he said the sign would be down by Monday. “I pointed out it was right behind the bull sculpture and lots of people stopped to take photos. People would take photos of their kids on the bull and there would be the billboard in the background.”

She said he had agreed it was in the wrong place and would take it down by Monday.

Does anyone have suggestions for an alternative billboard?
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December 13, 2016 6:40pm
- nasska
  
  Swap it out for a couple of hands on a hairy arse.
  
  Would symbolise the shithole to a T.
  
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  December 13, 2016 6:45pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    I thought the sign (leaving aside the visual imagery of a perfume bottle wedged between two covered breasts) was hilarious:
    
    Perfume Sunglasses Café Parking
    
    Mikenmild might need to send himself up to Bulls on a research mission – a potential competitor to the Quarry Inn!
    
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    December 13, 2016 6:54pm
    - nasska
      
      The Quarry Inn is peerless Nostra. When Mike took over as manager his experience in the trade & his dedication made the place what it is today.
      
      Leave Bulls to the amateurs!
      
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      December 13, 2016 7:02pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I regret to advise that commitments in the Hutt Valley render a research trip to Bulls unfeasible at present.
      Although I am sure Bulls has more attractions (especially in comparison with Eketahuna) than nasska might be prepared to admit.
      
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      December 13, 2016 7:06pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        The town has a website!
        
        Under Construction
        
        Thank you for visiting our page
        
        Our site is currently under going redevelopment. For more information, please contact [Bulls and District Community Development Manager]
        
        Oh well!
        
        On the bright side, though, they seem to have come up with the catchy slogan “Simply Unforget-a-Bull” so they’ve made some progress towards becoming a global tourist centre.
        
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        December 13, 2016 7:11pm
      - mikenmild
        
        There is also no truth to the rumour that a recording studio was to be established n the town under the name of Bulls Hits.
        
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        December 13, 2016 7:15pm
- simpleton1
  
  A good stud bull is always after the udder.
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:27pm
Reid

The only way that ISIS could assemble 5,000 fully equipped and heavily armed fighters and then launch a coordinated and skillfully executed series of attacks in order to retake palmyra is if they had the full support of the Turkish military. ISIS itself lacks the logistics and supply capability, neither does it possess the integrated and organised command , control and communications infrastructure needed to carry out this offensive.

A bunch of mercenary headchoppers skilled only in terrorising defenceless civilian populations does not plan and carry out a successful large scale military operation of this nature, such a task has to be carried out by a well-trained, skillfully commanded and carefully co-ordinated military machine that enjoys comprehensive logistical support.

Therefore it is safe to assume that the planning, organisation, transport, logistics, command and control of this operation was the work of the Turks; furthermore, it is likely that some of the ISIS fighters were actually Turkish military in Jihadi disguises.

RT and other sources are reporting that the majority of the ISIS fighters were transferred to Palmyra from Mosul in Iraq; if this is accurate, then it provides clear proof that Turkey is indeed deeply involved as the only way to move large numbers of men and their equipment from Mosul to Eastern Syria is via Turkey. RT also noted that the US-lead coalition appears to have done very little, if anything, to stop these fighters leaving Mosul – the convoys would no doubt have made very vulnerable targets for air strikes.

We know that Erdogan is not at all happy that the Assad government’s forces in conjunction with their Russian, Iranian and Lebanese allies is finally winning the war in Northern Syria, least of all the re-conquest of Aleppo which now appears to be approaching completion. Therefore we have been expecting the Turks to attempt to intervene in order to turn the tide back in favour of the ‘rebels’. The government successes in the battle for Aleppo have had us wondering just what Turkey would and could do to affect that battle.

With the fall of Palmyra to a Turkish backed ISIS, we have part of the answer; there may be further ISIS offensives in Eastern Syria in an attempt to draw crucial government and allied forces away from Aleppo. these too will be the work of the Turks.

It remains to be seen what Russia will make of the fall of Palmyra and Turkish efforts to influence the Syrian war; perhaps we are drawing close to the moment when the Kremlin reaches the conclusion that the only way to win the Syrian war is to knock away the Turkish props supporting the enemy. Furthermore, will the Kremlin eventually decide that politics alone cannot curtail Erdogan and Turkey’s ambitions and conclude that only military force can rein Erdogan in…

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/12/12/isis-fully-retakes-palmyra-in-stunning-blitz-offensive/
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December 13, 2016 6:46pm
Reid

Aleppo celebrates liberation.

Yet even now, even now, some complete and utter morons still, even now, hallucinate they hate Assad.

Well, look at them now, dummies.

You have the blood of hundreds of thousands and the cost of rebuilding a shattered nation on your heads, you know that? Because if it wasn’t your fault for believing that palpable bullshit then who the fuck’s was it? And because you believed that palpable bullshit you let Western govts and their ME allies do this to Syria, without saying a fucking thing.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Well, guilty, sheeple.

Wear it.

And don’t do it again. You already are, BTW, in the way some of you idiots believe the new palpable bullshit about Russia. And the Muslims. Believing that palpable bullshit – again – is not only going to get human beings murdered in a country far away, it’s going to bring it here, to you and family. Remember that. But I know you won’t.

https://www.rt.com/news/370084-aleppo-liberation-reports-celebrations/
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December 13, 2016 7:00pm
Manolo

The CIA is accused of propping Obama:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/12/former-army-intel-officer-cia-director-john-brennan-is-playing-political-games/

Speaking to WMAL radio Monday, Shaffer claimed that the secret CIA assessment, obtained by The Washington Post and described in an article last Friday, is a product of Brennan’s loyalty to President Barack Obama, The Washington Examiner reports.

“This is purely political, and I believe that John Brennan is a political animal,” Shaffer said. He added he has been talking with former CIA officials about the report. “Everything they are telling me is Brennan is doing this out of loyalty to President Obama.”
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December 13, 2016 7:09pm
- Reid
  
  There’s tension on this between the FBI and the CIA.
  
  The FBI briefing to the House committee did not confirm what the CIA briefing to the Senate committee said and various FBI personnel have been publicly disagreeing with them. Not to mention some other measures its been taking.
  
  Three hours after the WH announced it was launching an investigation WaPo published an article alleging Russia hacked the election. WaPo is owned by Bezos who bought it 3 months after the CIA gave him a $600m contract. It and the NYT are Obama/Clinton/Bush and CIA mouthpieces. Think WMD.
  
  CIA’s taken a side. Trump won’t forget and this places him in the same position of Kennedy, who was killed shortly after stating he planned on scattering the CIA to the four winds.
  
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  December 13, 2016 7:24pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Oh wow, Reid.
    
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    December 13, 2016 7:30pm
    - Reid
      
      Tell me which fact I cited is wrong Lucia.
      
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      December 13, 2016 7:38pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        It’s not your facts, Reid. It’s the interpretation you get from them. 🙂
        
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        December 13, 2016 7:55pm
      - Reid
        
        What other interpretation can one place?
        
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        December 13, 2016 8:14pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        He’s right. The FBI is disagreeing and so are some people inside the CIA(apparently)
        What we see here is a difference of degrees of describing certainty.
        The FBI require absolute proof of something before they will say it happened. There isn’t absolute proof that Russia hacked anybody.
        Whereas the CIA trade in saying how likely it is something happened.
        They say it is likely the Russians were involved based on the CIAs knowledge of previous events.
        Personally I think the Russians just like fucking with the Americans, especially Hillary and Obama because of the sanctions.
        That’s a bit different than making the leap to say they wanted and intended to help elect Trump.
        It’s a media beat up. Sob sob sob cause Hillary lost.
        
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        December 13, 2016 11:31pm
cha

Draining the swamp – and turning it into a gold plated effluent pond.
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Donald Trump plans to name Goldman Sachs president and chief operating officer Gary Cohn the director of the White House National Economic Council, the Trump transition announced Monday, bringing the number people in his inner circle with ties to the Wall Street firm to three.

[…]

Cohn has spent 25 years at Goldman Sachs.

Incoming White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon, who was Trump’s campaign chairman, worked at Goldman and Steve Mnuchin, Trump’s selection for treasury secretary, was a partner at the firm.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-picks-goldman-sachs-president-gary-cohn-economic/story?id=44149907&cid=social_twitter_abcn
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December 13, 2016 7:45pm
- Reid
  
  Yeah it’s a strange combo ain’t it cha. I strongly suspect he’s an Israel-firster but he’s not interested in the neocons, which is a plus. Which means and it seems natural, he’s interested in the shekel side but not the death side which is what you get in any alliance with Israel.
  
  As you rightly say Goldman alumni infest the finance/treasury ranks which is I assume Bannan’s influence as well as Trump’s. But in the diplomacy/military which in the States is the “but I repeat myself” joke, the only token neocon is Bolton. None of the other lizards got a look in.
  
  One assumes their hatchlings have scampered into many lesser positions but still, it’s a start, a promising start.
  
  Shame about the fucking bankers ain’t it, but I guess you can’t have everything, all the time.
  
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  December 13, 2016 7:53pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    When Trump talks swamp he’s referring to political insiders and lobbyists. I don’t why external businessman are now included in that definition.
    
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    December 13, 2016 11:34pm
  - howitis
    
    Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, has married a Jewish chappy and converted to Judaism .
    Therefore his 3 grandchildren in that family are of the Jewish faith.
    Not judging. Just reporting.
    
    Also, Goldman Sachs are everywhere.
    Malcolm Turnbull (useless ) PM of Australia is ex Goldman Sachs.
    Rahm Emanuel elected relatively recently as Mayor of Chicago has gone downhill quickly. The great fixer is a bit broken.
    
    Probably one of GS’s worst crimes in recent times is fiddly diddlying the Greece Govt finances to get them in the Euro when that country should never have been in it. We live to see the result.
    GS fingers are long. Their reach into Europe has expanded in the last decade.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_employees_of_Goldman_Sachs
    
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    December 14, 2016 9:21am
Lucia Maria

So this is why there was an orange glow to the air today: Firefighters trying to protect homes from large bushfire north of Sydney. I learned to recognise the glow as a sign of fire somewhere when we lived in Sydney and large fires around Christmas were common. It’s amazing the ash travels this far over to the Kapiti Coast.
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December 13, 2016 8:06pm
Awww C-mon

I know there is a fair amount of pot meet kettle in me saying this but….

Fuck there are some retards commenting here, these people are so stupid I am amazed they have mastered sub-conscious breathing let alone typing, computers and smart phones, the internet, blogs..

Unsurprisingly they mainly support Stuart Little and Winsome Peters whose IQ is challenged by their shoe size as well.
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December 13, 2016 8:37pm
nasska

Once again Masterton has led the world of fashion.

For the past few years around midday the town’s KFC store & the liquor mart across the road have been the haunt of fat solo mothers slopping around in their pyjamas & onesies. Fashion designers from overseas have copied the trend:

….” the trend picked up momentum in the last few seasons. “All the cool fashion editors started wearing pajamas,” Errico says. They wore them with their kangaroo-fur-lined Gucci slides. They tossed C??line coats over their pajama-clad shoulders”……

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/fashion/87493855/The-fashion-industry-really-wants-you-to-wear-pajamas-on-the-street-don-t-do-it
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December 13, 2016 8:52pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  To be fair Nasska, the idea is similar but execution is vastly different!
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:56pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Careful there nasska.
  
  You might get johnboy divorcing his ewes briefly to come up and peruse the talent. 🙂
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:58pm
Don the Kiwi

Yeah, I think its time we had another beer over at the Imbibe at Bayfair, Aww-C

I wonder if starboard is still keen – it might take him a few days to chug on up in his old Chevy Corvette.
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December 13, 2016 8:56pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Keen as Don, have you tried rising tide yet? 30 craft beers on tap does lend itself to an enjoyable afternoon.
  
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  December 13, 2016 8:59pm
- nasska
  
  …..”a few days to chug on up in his old Chevy Corvette.”…..
  
  Could even take him longer to row over from the Gold Coast. That’s where he reckons he’s resident currently. 🙂
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:00pm
Don the Kiwi

Actually, heard about it – my son went there a week or two back and recommended it – and he is a bigger beer connoiseur than I was at his age.
Keep in touch, we’ll work out a day – maybe early next week. 🙂
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December 13, 2016 9:01pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Sounds a plan.
  
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  December 13, 2016 9:06pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Don the Kiwi and Awww C-mon:
    
    What will you do if Gabby gatecrashes your event?
    
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    December 13, 2016 10:07pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      1/ be concerned! last I heard D4J had Gabby on a leash made from the fishnet stockings Dad was wearing when they finally met. Gabby turning up is one thing, D4J and Gabby is a different matter
      2/ hope Gabby has showered sometime in December
      3/ order some Sherry in a plastic bowl so Gabby can lie under the table lapping it up in its normal style
      4/ drive the long way home to ensure I’m not followed…
      
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      December 14, 2016 6:31am
All_on_Red

‘The overseers of the U.S. intelligence community have not embraced a CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, three American officials said on Monday.

While the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) does not dispute the CIA’s analysis of Russian hacking operations, it has not endorsed their assessment because of a lack of conclusive evidence that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, said the officials, who declined to be named.

The position of the ODNI, which oversees the 17 agency-strong U.S. intelligence community, could give Trump fresh ammunition to dispute the CIA assessment, which he rejected as “ridiculous” in weekend remarks, and press his assertion that no evidence implicates Russia in the cyber attacks.’
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-intelligence-idUSKBN14204E?il=0
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December 13, 2016 11:52pm
Manolo

He is a total disgrace:
https://news.grabien.com/story.php?id=1879
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December 14, 2016 6:34am
Manolo

Will it come to pass?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/13/after-talking-with-trump-bill-gates-likens-president-elect-to-jfk.html

President-elect Donald Trump has an opportunity to establish “American leadership through innovation,” Bill Gates told CNBC on Tuesday.
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