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DifferentPerspective

Why trust in the media is so low
…. And getting lower every day.

Look at this incident . So a white Australian is at his alma mater for a scheduled appointment. He’s wearing a Pauline Hanson t-shirt. Okay so that’s a bit (note the word “BIT”) provocative. A little bit provocative in the same way a muslim woman trotting around the uni in a pink burka would be.

Next thing you know he is verbally abused by social justice bullies. Screaming and telling him he’s not welcome (you know in his own country, in a public place, at his own alma mater on his way to a scheduled appointment) presumably because the SJB’s don’t approve. You have to love the irony of the screaming biggish muslim woman clad in pink – you can’t help but think of (you know) the snorty animals that muslims think of as unclean.

And here is how the Australian media deal with it. Apparently it’s ok for people to be verbally abused if they’re activists (No! let me get that right – if they’re not the right sort of activists). It’s ok of the French burkini chick to do a set up for some “shock, horror” pictures and cause the police to enforce the law (gasp) because she’s the “right” sort of activist.

Oh and just for good measure – (majority-owned by the Saudis) Facebook have removed any trace of the video.

Lol – got to hate those far-right extremist, non-pc, hate-peddling websites like Breitbart and LiveLink for giving a platform for … oh, I don’t know what shall we call it….. THE TRUTH!

(Oh no, that’s right, because their truth isn’t PC or “progressive” enough they’re to be discounted – (eyerolls & facepalm)).
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September 24, 2016 8:02am
- dime
  
  I just watched stephieboy going nuts on that video. A diet may be in order.
  
  A bad Muslim too. I could see her face. She must be punished.
  
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  September 24, 2016 8:04am
- deadrightkev
  
  If I want to wear a Trump or Hanson g string I should be able to wear it. If I want to look a complete tosser that is my business.
  
  There is a very disturbing “standard” developing in the world today. I defy anyone to show me the One Nation party policy that is not basic common sense.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:05am
duggledog

We are such an unusual species.

Bill Gates donates hundreds of millions to fight AIDS and malaria – and now the Zuckerbergs are vowing to eradicate disease entirely, with their money, in their lifetime.

In the same week, Prince William highlights the fact there were 1,000,000 African elephants in the wild when he was born – today there are fewer than 350,000 and will be extinct on the savannah by the time his daughter turns 25.

AIDS – but more importantly malaria – are just two of the diseases that barely manage to keep the teeming African populations in check.

Remove these, and others, and the Africans will certainly breed out of control – and then push in to areas previously uninhabitable.

What will they eat? Bush meat.

What will they kill for money? Everything – from trees to pachyderms, as any human would, if their family was starving.

At that point, a thousand Bob Geldofs and a million WWFs won’t be able to help.

If the Prince actually wants to save the elephants – and the giraffes, and the gorillas, and the big cats, and the Amazon, and the orangs – logic says he should plead with the billionaires (and science itself) to… stop.
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September 24, 2016 8:02am
- Griff
  
  Fund contraception and abortion .
  That is why I will not donate to any of the charity’s
  They work tirelessly on saving as many as they can from the latest famine yet fail to address the underlying problem of overpopulation.
  
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  September 24, 2016 8:10am
  - Fletch
    
    It’s ironic when all the millionaires are putting together money to fight AIDS and other diseases, yet we kill our own children willingly through abortion.
    
    Also, a big cause of AIDS are so-called “alternative” sexual lifestyles. I guess sexual license trumps actually combatting the disease at its root. The ambulance is well and truly at the bottom of the cliff.
    
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    September 24, 2016 11:24am
- mikenmild
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Next you will be suggesting some effective means of mass murder to control the threat of too many Africans in the world for your comfort.
  
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  September 24, 2016 8:10am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Wow an actual good idea from a socialist! I can see you are growing up milky!
    
    (See any idiot can make sneering comments – it doesn’t really contribute much value to the debate!?)
    
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    September 24, 2016 8:15am
    - mikenmild
      
      I think my suggestion was just a natural extension of your idea that letting millions of people die from Aids or malaria is a good thing.
      The truth, of course, is that as hundreds of millions of Africans emerge from poverty, birth rates inevitably decline. But try tell that that to racist genocide enthusiasts.
      
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      September 24, 2016 8:22am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        And there you go again – someone says something you don’t agree with and you’re into labelling and name calling.
        
        Kerplunk another nail in the coffin of the hope that progressives will ever govern in NZ again.
        
        Keep up the good work – John Key thanks you for campaigning for National better than he ever could.
        
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        September 24, 2016 8:34am
      - Icarus
        
        Not our problem milky.
        
        It is time the blacks helped the white minority.
        
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        September 24, 2016 8:34am
      - trout
        
        Not so milky, that kind of population decline would take generations, industrialization, and education to come into effect.
        Aid workers found that when they improved living conditions in villages (clean water, sanitation) breeding exploded.
        PS: could you cut back the glib comments; scrolling is hard work in this new format.
        
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        September 24, 2016 9:49am
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    We can always rely on MM to be the first to apply the sanctimonious lefty pious Reductio ad absurdum rule in any reply.
    
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    September 24, 2016 8:20am
    - starboard
      
      Poor mm, he just never learns.
      
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      September 24, 2016 10:25am
  - Icarus
    
    No need for that milky. The Africans have figured that one out and mass murder themselves.
    
    The filthy savages treat each other far worse than YT ever has.
    
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/03/south-sudan-campaign-killing-rape-united-nations-report-160311073450910.html
    
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    September 24, 2016 11:28am
- HB
  
  https://m.gapminder.org/videos/will-saving-poor-children-lead-to-overpopulation/
  
  This video might help address some of your concerns 🙂
  
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  September 24, 2016 8:23am
  - HB
    
    African countries will follow the pattern of the demographic transition model (like all countries). The impact on the environment this has is still to be determined but at least we know a lot more now than when the MEDC countries went through industrialisation.
    
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    September 24, 2016 8:29am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Africa won’t ever get to western levels of advancement without improved genetics. Average IQ of African Americans given good food, health care and education is only about 85, which is not high enough to sustain a western level of technology. The only thing that could fix this is if they started selectively breeding for smarts using sperm (and perhaps eggs) from their brightest.
      
      Historically Jews held a cultural IQ advantage of about 15 points by selective breeding, and rich families today are similar, being typically 15-20 points higher than average through breeding with most intelligent mates. It would probably take a only a few generations to lift African average by 15 points to western levels. http://www.vdare.com/articles/america-and-the-left-half-of-the-bell-curve-1
      
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      September 24, 2016 9:55am
- Dave Mann
  
  I don’t mind admitting to some racist tendencies (in that I’m of the opinion that some cultures are better than others)…. but even I found your post to be well over the top.
  
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  September 24, 2016 8:56am
  - mikenmild
    
    I’ve found some of these characters, like
    DifferentPerspective and EAD, to be curiously unaware of the depths of their xenophobia and how it might appear to rational people.
    
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    September 24, 2016 8:59am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Lol – it’s not paranoia if they’re really out to get you!
      
      Bring muslims in – terrorism starts to happen.
      
      Bring lots of muslims – lots of terrorism starts to happen.
      
      And as for the ‘rational’ people – you mean those in the minority whose views are so extreme that their representative parties are consigned to perma-opposition? Those ‘rational’ people.
      
      The scary thing about insanity is not knowing you’re insane and thinking you are actually ‘rational’.
      
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      September 24, 2016 9:08am
- deadrightkev
  
  “Bill Gates donates hundreds of millions to fight AIDS and malaria – and now the Zuckerbergs are vowing to eradicate disease entirely, with their money, in their lifetime. ”
  
  They are also very strong globalists. Give me the disease any day because it will do a lot less damage.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:07am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I hope ‘Socialism’ is on the list of diseases to be eradicated
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:08am
- Viking2
  
  I am moved towards the thought that in about 20 years time the Africans will be required in China. China’s population is aging like so many other countries but there situation is worse than most because they have had an emphasis on population control with their one child policy and that is looming up to haunt all the older Chinese.
  Just as the declining population has caused problems in Japan.
  They are now freeing up their immigration and allowing you people to move there. They need people to look after the oldies and inherit the farms and houses. Thousands of empty properties there because there are no buyers.
  Japan being smart will not allow the Muslims in.
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:16am
Tauhei Notts

I had always thought of NZ First as being the party of the “greedy wrinklies” but several beers with several blokes aged under 28, none of whom have a university education, suggests to me that his appeal has broadened.
I am getting the impression that the biggest surprise in the next election will be the widespread support for the smarmy hori. Support that will come from below the radar of the main stream media.
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September 24, 2016 8:11am
- RF
  
  Tauhei Notts.
  
  I agree and liken it to a Trump revival. Do not take NZ First for granted.
  
  There is a lot of support out there and they do not give a stuff about BS or broken promises as “they all do it”.
  
  If NZ First declares they are going with National it’s all over for the Left.
  
  Remember the saying…… Time for a change !!!!!!!!!
  
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  September 24, 2016 12:35pm
- ross411
  
  Ah, the opinionated naive and immature youth.
  
  Either falling for Labour’s BS, or indoctrinated with it at university.
  
  Or latching onto Winston’s BS, since some form of BS seems to be the way to catch their attention.
  
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  September 24, 2016 1:02pm
Keeping Stock

This’ll get the Stephieboys (and DPF) choking on their muesli; this chap has correctly predicted 32 years of Presidential election outcomes…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/23/trump-is-headed-for-a-win-says-professor-whos-predicted-30-years-of-presidential-outcomes-correctly/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1
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September 24, 2016 8:17am
- Griff
  
  This will make Trumpies choke on their hamburgers .
  KS linked to Professor Allan Lichtman.
  What Lichtman has to say about Trump.
  
  Lichtman pointed out that past presidential nominees who were also political outsiders, like Wendell Wilke and Dwight Eisenhower, did not run campaigns driven by powerfully hateful rhetoric.
  
  Trump has stirred up a dangerous sensibility, he said, especially with recent comments about how Americans who hold their Second Amendment rights most dear might prevent Hillary Clinton from appointing Supreme Court justices.
  
  “What has Trump stirred up in this country? The worst and most dangerous element — the neo-Nazis, the white supremacists, the Ku Klux Klan,” Lichtman said. “David Duke has said ‘Trump has made this my time.’ All of those groups are encouraged by the Trump campaign,” the historian said. “It does not strain credulity to assume how some of those people might interpret what Trump said.
  
  “It is so dangerous and so despicable that, in my view, it ought to be disqualifying for the presidency,” Lichtman added. “We have not seen anything remotely like this in our history.”
  
  http://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/outcome-of-2016-presidential-race-difficult-to-predict-say-two-election-experts
  
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  September 24, 2016 8:25am
  - Icarus
    
    The KKK and “neo nazis” are not demanding their supporters kill niggers and black cops.
    
    BLM are demanding their supporters kill “cops and crackers” and are carrying out their threats.
    
    Hillary supporting BLM staged protests to lure in police and carried out a mass murder of those police.
    
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    September 24, 2016 8:48am
  - Simon
    
    He had to say that Griff otherwise given wash post readership he would have been burnt at the stake.
    
    You really seem unclear of the poison environment that the left have created
    
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    September 24, 2016 8:52am
  - deadrightkev
    
    Duh Homer. Kennedys speechwriter has come out in support of Trump. No mention of that?
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:09am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  This Professor is still alive?? Someone must have his back.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:14am
Chuck Bird

This is one time I agree with David Seymour. Marvelly’s quote is disingenuous. ACT was calling get rid of the Minister for Women and some other ministries like Maori Affairs. Political power is determined by the number of voters not the number of women MPs. If women and Maori MPs are doing their job as they should they will be representing all their constituents equally and fairly. I recently heard on the radio that there were well over 100,000 more women voters than men. I think the number was 137,000. Many someone can confirm or correct me.

That means when some women make unreasonable demands male MPs will take note even if they think these demands are unreasonable.

Lizzie Marvelly: There’s still a long, long way to go to equality

Act’s demand for a Minister for Men shows how out of touch the party is with reality.
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September 24, 2016 8:21am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Yes truly out of touch.
  
  I mean imagine the total nonsense of it all – a suggestion based on gender equity. If I was a proper Social Justice Bully (SJB) I’d want to stamp all over that straight away.
  
  Every SJB worth their salt knows that you can’t discriminate against men (or whites, or the wealthy, or the able-bodied, or Jews, or Christians etc) it’s just not physically possible. There are some sectors of society who are so “privileged” that they are:
  – always in the wrong
  – always racist
  – always sexist
  – always greedy
  – always oppressing
  
  Indeed Lizzie, how out of touch are ~~you~~ ACT with reality, fairness, commonsense or ordinary, human decency. Don’t they know that the ONLY answer to discrimination is more and more and more discrimination.
  
  Keep on wrapping yourself in that cloak of sanctimony – it’ll protect you from ever considering your own actions.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:19am
EAD

Why the trust in the media is so low, part II

Funny article over on the Stormer – the MSM are proclaiming that the ongoing black riots in Charlotte are peaceful now, though they are forgetting to mention that the Military is there to ensure it is peaceful!

http://www.dailystormer.com/thursday-night-in-charlotte-with-the-military-there-googles-dont-kill-anyone-media-calls-it-a-success/
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September 24, 2016 8:29am
Paulus Gnome

The cricket is off to a fine start, Aleppo is sliding into a humanitarian disaster, Fonterra has made record profits, muslims wrecking the world, rugby has never looked better, low inflation, unemployment down, Goofy still goofy and a tawdry little newspaper has an editorial about Brangellina using words that are difficult to write with a crayon.

Stay relevant, stay classy Herald.
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September 24, 2016 8:31am
- calendar girl
  
  “Stay relevant, stay classy Herald.”
  
  A bit of a challenge when ‘celebrities’ are all that matter in their world. That’s why the Herald has a ‘Lizzie Marvelly’ column criticising ACT politics this morning.
  
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  September 24, 2016 8:45am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Awesome comment.
    
    There is one universal truth in life – if a celebrity expresses an opinion on politics, you can guarantee that doing the opposite to what they suggest is the right move.
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:21am
  - Kimbo
    
    And not forgetting that intellectual heavy-weight, Polly Gillespie 😉
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/Polly%20-Gillespie/news/headlines.cfm?a_id=1017
    
    If you had a dollar every time the pronoun “I”, “me’, “we” or “us” appears in her narcissistic headlines and/or op eds you’d be able to buy a mansion on Paratai Drive!
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:54am
    - calendar girl
      
      Agreed. The ‘first person pronoun’ disease is indicative of somewhat limited life experience.
      
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      September 24, 2016 11:20am
Happychappy

I find it a bit rich that Martyn Bradbury could sit in the witness box and resort to calling people names. it is a bit like a slime ball being taken to task by some that is known to be a slime ball by two thirds of New Zealanders.This excuse for a human being has all but ensured that Craig will never be seen in politics again and when you have to stoop from the lowest to even lower to wriggle out of a situation of your own doing you and have to rely on a far left blogger to spin his evil shit on your once loyal supporters you have to really be at the bottom of the barrel
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September 24, 2016 8:42am
- Gabby
  
  Well I guess if he’s asked for his opinion of a certain slimebag, and he happens to hold the opinion that the slimebag is a crappy chappy, then he is bound to say so.
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:30am
- ross411
  
  Martyn Bradbury, someone who appeared to be engaged in voting fraud, when it was noted that he had registered twice under different spellings of his own name?
  
  Someone who presumably claims they can’t spell their own name and remember which one they used when registering for voting, shouldn’t be trusted on the stand.
  
  If Farrar had registered twice, there would have been conniptions and fits all across the land as lefty fundamentalists went nuts at the wrongness of it all.
  
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  September 24, 2016 1:09pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I very seldom read the Standard and if I do I would not usually agree with Mickey Savage. However, I think his idea of sorting things out in the ring is not that silly. They should have called things off and imagine what Duco would have paid to have them on the under card. They still could do a fight for life. This would surely help Craig’s image.
  
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  September 24, 2016 7:40pm
Icarus

Why Social Justice Warriors Are So DEMENTED

Its a parenting problem. These people are the products of feminism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUhc3Kv4ieE
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September 24, 2016 8:43am
- Chuck Bird
  
  The following is even more informative. I should post the link on my comment about Lizzie Marvelly.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCtv4O9tv1g
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:04am
  - Icarus
    
    stephieboy’s role models 🙂
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:14am
Icarus

“The Shocking Truth About Hillary’s October Surprise

Hillary will contrive or exploit a violent incident or a provocation with Russia that will be blamed on Trump.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9118K9ejqU

If you want a world war, vote Hillary.
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September 24, 2016 8:45am
- stephieboy
  
  Icarus , Infowars Paul Joseph Johnson exposed ,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktX4viox8zY
  
  Two paranoid and parallel views of the world Infowars and Zionist Watch !
  
  EAD would be interested . Yourself ?
  
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  September 24, 2016 8:59am
- Gabby
  
  That sounds like an attempt to preempt mentioning Trumpie’s hot Putin love.
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:32am
EAD

EAD saw this article in the paper earlier in the week glorifying tattoos and it crossed my mind this morning:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/84513419/Kiwis-proving-tattoo-stigma-in-the-workplace-wrong

“When I see people criticise people with tattoos, it upsets me. A tattoo doesn’t change you as a person, a tattoo doesn’t make you dumber,” he says.

He believes perceptions will change eventually, but right now, he admits societal pressures mean he would rather be safe than sorry when it comes to his tattoos. His tattoo sleeve only goes three-quarters down his arm.”

Years ago, by and large the only people who had tattoos were soldiers, sailors and convicts (or Maoris, but they were rarity in my neck of the woods).

Now it’s become fashionable it’s every halfwit, male or female, walking along the road with a “sleeve” or a butterfly on the throat.

It seems as long as a few others are doing something, then monkey see monkey do.

The worst thing is the MSM, like it does with every other degeneracy, seems to promote it as a perfectly normal and “empowering”.

We truly are in the twilight of civilisation.
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September 24, 2016 8:51am
- EAD
  
  Putting my alt right philosophical hat on, this obsession with tattoos is what happens when you strip a people of their values, traditions and religion and tell them they’re nothing but a “global citizen”.
  
  They decorate themselves in this filth due to individualism and not being able to have a shared identity.
  
  People may scorn at me for believing in traditional Christian values though not necessarily believing in God, but its far more robust than these poor misguided fools who desecrate their body.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:00am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    The two golden rules of tattoos
    
    1) A tattoo doesn’t ever make your more attractive
    2) Lots of tattoos definitely doesn’t make you more attractive.
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:25am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @EAD
    
    Desecrated bodies don’t bother me; its desiccated ones that I find rather repellent.
    
    I have no piercings, tattoos, visible scarifications, burn brands, etc and was wondering what I should do about my crepey neck skin, bat-winged arms and cellulitic legs.
    
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    September 24, 2016 10:05am
    - ross411
      
      Be glad you don’t have poorly chosen tattoos or piercings making them look even worse?
      
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      September 24, 2016 1:12pm
    - stigie
      
      Shit, you are lucky that Johnboy is out back kicking around with his sheep Maggy otherwise he would be here having a ball !~
      
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      September 24, 2016 1:13pm
- mikenmild
  
  LOL. Tattoos a sign of ‘degeneracy’. If we were in the sixties, EAD would be denouncing the long-haired Beatles as degenerate.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:01am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD , lots of things you for to consider banning as the shadow National Socialist spokesman for Racial ideology and culture .
  
  And what qualifies you as a follower of Christ apart form the colour of you skin ?
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:01am
  - Inandout
    
    You are being hypocritical about tattooing, unless in the sharia future it will be easier to spot an infidel by skin markings.
    
    ‘Tattooing, in which the skin is pierced with a needle and a blue or other coloured dye is injected, is haraam in all forms, whether it causes pain or not, because it involves changing the creation of Allaah, and because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the one who does tattoos and the one for whom that is done. In al-Saheehayn it is narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “May Allaah curse the women who do tattoos and those for whom tattoos are done, those who pluck their eyebrows and those who file their teeth for the purpose of beautification and alter the creation of Allaah.”
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:23am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Tatoos…
  
  Fashion knoweth no pain.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:15am
  - Jack5
    
    It’s interesting that tattoos still carry a stigma in Japan, but the gangster caste, the Yakuza really love them.
    
    http://kotaku.com/why-is-there-a-tattoo-stigma-in-japan-1249980905
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:21am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Tattoos are a symbol of rebellion among hip young Japanese.
      
      Here’s a slightly “sensational” but reasonably well-made documentary for a US audience about the yakuza and the origins of tattoo as “registration plates” for convicted criminals.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=070akNz4DPM
      
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      September 24, 2016 9:29am
- MickMac
  
  Twilight good word to describe it.
  
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  September 24, 2016 12:44pm
Icarus

Who remembers the hysteria over THE OZONE HOLE !!!! ?

The “scientific consensus” was that ~~white people~~ modern technology and CFC’s were ripping a big hole in the atmosphere and we were all going to burn up and die.

Turned out to be total bullshit and was a natural fluctuation. Now many of those same people are telling us CO2 [what plants breath] is causing us to burn up and die.

These same bullshit artists also told us we would be running out of oil now and the world would be facing a Mad Max style apocalypse due to PEAK OIL !!!

Instead we have record production and falling prices .

Why do gullible fools still hang onto the every word of these pseudo scientists ?
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September 24, 2016 9:11am
- EAD
  
  Brilliant Icarus – Griff will be blowing smoke at your post.
  
  Indeed, it is the scourge of pseudo that bedevils this planet:
  
  http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-scourge-of-pseudo_17.html?m=0
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD , are you attempting to woo Icarus to your ” scientific “white racial ideology ?
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:21am
- stephieboy
  
  Icarus , are you suggesting the reintroduction of CFCs in aerosols etc ?
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:17am
- Griff
  
  Yes Icarus that the ozone hole is regenerating has nothing at all to do with the world banning CFSs.
  Stupidity with logic holes you could drive a parrot cage and attendant nurse though.
  Linking to a webshite with such dribbling stupidity shows only one thing.
  You are as gullible as a five year old believing in Santa.
  
  Flat earth award.
  http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~kagan/phy367/P367_articles/OzoneDepletion/OzoneDepletionFAQs/RushLimbaugh.html
  
  Limbaugh became the Master Confusionist on ozone depletion with his broad-based and unfounded attacks on “junk scientists” and “environmentalist wackos” in his talk shows and in his recent book, The Way Things Ought to Be. Much of what Limbaugh says about ozone depletion is based on information taken from the late Dixie Lee Ray’s books Trashing the Planet and Environmental Overkill. Her books rely heavily on articles by Rogelio A. Maduro for her conclusions about ozone depletion. Maduro is an associate editor of 21st Century, a magazine published by Lyndon Larouche’s organization. Maduro is the co-author of The Holes in the Ozone Scare which one leading atmospheric scientist described as “the single best compilation of all the incorrect and out-of-date information ever issued on ozone depletion.”
  
  Note the address parrot sourced from an education site not a random webshite .
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:49am
  - Icarus
    
    So “education” sites are the problem, as opposed to your activist sites ?
    
    How is the head this morning ? ?
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:54am
    - Griff
      
      Trying debate with someone who gibbers uncontrollably is pointless. Have you ever tried talking sense?
      You are nothing but a troll who is trying to get attention.
      Poor lonely little lunatic.
      
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      September 24, 2016 9:58am
      - Icarus
        
        Well stay away from those “education sites” you mentioned as they seem to make you angry and confused.
        
        You should try a different way to deliver your important messages of global doom Griff.
        
        Have you considered a sandwich board and a bell ? 🙂
        
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        September 24, 2016 10:02am
      - Ed Snack
        
        The drug addled loser calls someone else a lunatic, priceless !
        
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        September 24, 2016 4:25pm
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  While CFCs do indeed damage ozone,it is how Ozone is created that explains why there is less of it at the poles .
  Unfortunately, like everything in the media today that one salient fact is ignored because the Chicken Little hysteria sells more copy to the gullible .
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:04am
duggledog

EAD

Far from making a statement and marking you out as being ‘different’, it’s more unusual now for young men and women not to have tattoos, anywhere. The unusual twenty-somethings are the ones with no markings.

Reminds me of The Sneetches.

Some of those multicoloured ‘pictures’ they get now are going to look real, real shit when the body starts to age. Hard and expensive to remove and you can always tell where a tatt has been.

Plus the FDA refuses to say that the blacks and reds are 100% non carcinogenic.
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September 24, 2016 9:14am
stephieboy

Donald Trump’s anti-Semitism controversies: A timeline

Presumptive GOP candidate faces growing accusations his campaign condones Jew-hatred, if not encourages it outright

http://www.timesofisrael.com/donald-trumps-anti-semitism-controversies-a-timeline/

And why the Israelis might be justifiably suspicious of Trump’s claimed loyalty to Israel given his other views on the chosen race .
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September 24, 2016 9:15am
- Icarus
  
  Meanwhile in Israel 🙂
  
  When it comes to Jewish ties, no GOP candidate trumps Trump
  
  NEW YORK (JTA) — Among the expansive field of 2016 Republican presidential candidates on display in the party’s first debates, Donald Trump may be the most closely connected to the Jewish people.
  
  Trump is from New York, works in professions saturated with Jews and long has been a vocal supporter of Israel.
  
  His daughter and two grandchildren are Jewish, the executive vice president of his organization is Jewish — and Trump certainly has chutzpah.
  
  http://www.jta.org/2015/08/07/news-opinion/politics/when-it-comes-to-jewish-ties-nobody-trumps-trump-1
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:18am
  - stephieboy
    
    Icarus, antisemitism is rife among Trump’s supporters ,
    
    http://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Donald-Trump-supporters-unleash-anti-Semitic-tweets-at-NY-Times-editor-454526
    
    Address his own anti-Jewish comments as per my earlier post ? An explanation is called for .
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:36am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Trump is causing concern in Japan over his ideas of having the Japanese pick up more of the tab for their defense.
  China is set on a course of intimidation that Japan, India and Malaysia are not too happy with.
  On the other hand, it’s high time Japan “grew up” and took more responsibility for policing its territory.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:21am
  - Icarus
    
    Defend them from what ?
    
    People the black warlord does not get on with, Eg: Everybody ?
    
    The USA is using Japan to extend the military interests of the USA. The Yanks have no interest in the welfare of the Japanese.
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:26am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Icarus,
      
      The ordinary Japanese citizen (in general) has a love for America that is not well understood by many outsiders.
      
      Who spared the life of the Emperor when the Pacific War was lost?
      Who stripped the aristocrats of their vast land holdings and sold them to the (hitherto) peasant farmers?
      Who gave Japanese women the vote?
      The list goes on.
      
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      September 24, 2016 9:38am
      - Icarus
        
        Yes I am aware of that and find it deeply disappointing. It is not unique and many other countries harmed by America still adore them.
        
        That speaks more to the pervasive nature of US propaganda and culture than it does about the Japanese.
        
        However, my point is that the US does not care about the Japanese. Not about Japanese sentiments towards the US
        
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        September 24, 2016 9:41am
      - ross411
        
        Oh Icarus, how sad that the Japanese do not adopt what you believe as their own beliefs. Perhaps if you went over there, they might be sucked into the orbit of your narcissism the same way the sun revolves around the flat earth.
        
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        September 24, 2016 1:15pm
stephieboy

Odakyu-sen,

Is that the Trump rationale for allowing Japan access to Nuclear Weapons and thence ” stability ” for the region ?

Icarus , ” using japan… no interest in the welfare of the Japanese ” ???

Can you provide examples ?
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September 24, 2016 9:27am
- Icarus
  
  Can you provide examples of them caring ?
  
  Other than to test their nukes on Japanese women and children at the end of the war.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:29am
  - stephieboy
    
    Iacrus , I swear your kea in a kind of drag . The facts are the US ,
    
    1 Dropped two atomic bombs on Japan the ended the WW2 . Fact !
    
    ( the civilian casualties Japan inflicted on women and children in their occupied countries ? )
    
    2. The US spent considerable resources and energy reconstructing and reviving the shattered Japanese economy 1947 – 52 that launched the Japanese economic miracle ,
    
    http://www.iun.edu/~hisdcl/h207_2002/jecontakeoff.htm
    
    What an earth will Trump gain by giving or allowing Japan to develop Nuclear weapons ?
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:47am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Do you honestly think that if Japan wanted to possess nuclear weapons, it would be necessary for some outside country to “allow access” to them.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:34am
  - Icarus
    
    Yes in stephieboys world it would require the approval of a violent black warlord, who has soured relations with both China and Russia.
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:36am
    - stephieboy
      
      Icarus , and Trump will fix that ?
      
      Trump blasts China, China, China in Republican convention speech
      
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/22/trump-blasts-china-china-china-in-republican-national-convention-speech/
      
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      September 24, 2016 9:48am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    My educated guess is that with no prior preparation Japan could build a nuke bomb in about 2 months. Hydrogen bomb in probably a few weeks more. But pretty good chance they already have some designs or other preparations in place to make it faster should the need arise. It is 1940’s technology.
    
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    September 24, 2016 10:07am
    - rangitoto
      
      Yes. Japan have plenty of engineers and scientists with the know how.
      
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      September 24, 2016 10:22am
Happychappy

I see now Phil Twyford and Labour have now produced data stating that one million young people will be locked out of the housing market as they will never be able to afford a deposit.Well on these figures they have produced it is roughly a third of the current population so if you go back to the 1980s and around the share market drop you will also come to the same answer as then interest rares and second a morgage was near inpossable to obtain.So i would suggest that the population was a lot smaller but a third of New Zealanders were then know different to now and struggled to raise a deposit
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September 24, 2016 9:27am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Those who say they will never be able to afford a deposit or finance a mortgage are pussies.
  Try working, get a second or third job, so 3 years of 70 – 85 hour weeks like I did – and many others. I now have two freehold properties, 3 vehicles, 2 boats and a caravan. Also we are going back to Alaska next year.
  How about getting off your lazy arses and stop this entitlement bullshit?
  End of rant.
  Edit. In that time I also was divorced and had a $35K second mortgage at 22%, so I could keep my house.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:42am
  - Notsofast
    
    There is a 27 year old journalist standing for the Auckland mayoralty, who yesterday said effectively, neither she nor her friends expect to raise a family in a property they own in Auckland. But this won’t fool you into studying the matter from any perspective but your own. It is a straightforward fact that things have changed, and there is a 30%upwards tweak attributable only to Chinese parking money in real estate hooked up to secure water, power and a foolproof legal system.
    
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    September 24, 2016 10:24am
    - ross411
      
      You do know that facts aren’t just what you declare to be true, right?
      
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      September 24, 2016 1:17pm
      - Notsofast
        
        I think 30% is probably light, but of course the figure is subject to chaos theory.
        I contest the notion population increase in Auckland serves New Zealand inc. well.
        It serves mainland China exceedingly well as they strive to house 400 million citizens in urban areas.
        They are abusive thugs who despise us and our gullible ways. You will all see, it’s called boiling a frog.
        What benefit is the much touted Hobsonville point to European and Maori kids for home ownership?
        
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        September 24, 2016 1:50pm
  - Viking2
    
    Shouldna got divorced. Be a multi millionaire by now.
    
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    September 24, 2016 11:31am
- Notsofast
  
  Raising a deposit was a doddle, and so was servicing an 11% mortgage in Auckland. There was no competition from crooked Chinese money emerging from a country 300 times as populous.
  That is one New Zealander to 300 Chinese, or 1 New Zealand student in an average New Zealand primary school, if we wish to visualise this PERIL.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:48am
- Gabby
  
  Sall right, we’ll bring in a million Chinese who can afford houses.
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:40am
Jack5

Are the Treaty settlements sinking into chaos?
As the claimants split into smaller family groups, it looks like Finlayson’s big lolly scramble could become a riot.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/314077/a-new-precedent-for-hapu-settlements
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September 24, 2016 9:34am
- Gabby
  
  That’d piss off the big iwi.
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:41am
Manolo

Solidarity with his Muslim “friends”.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/296862-obama-vetoes-9-11-bill

President Obama on Friday vetoed legislation that would allow families of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia in U.S courts, setting up a high-stakes showdown with Congress.
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September 24, 2016 9:34am
Notsofast

The David Tamihere/Swedish tourists case has a proceeding in the Auckland high court on thursday

Did Tamihere
1. kill these two or
2. merely steal their car and possessions?

Up tick for 1. Downtick for 2.
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September 24, 2016 9:42am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  my memory was that tamihere had one of their backpacks. If they were out walking in the forest when they were murdered then surely they would have had the backpack with them?
  
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  September 24, 2016 12:36pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Hoglin was murdered where his body was found 74 km from where the car was stolen by Tamihere. The key is to start at the crime scene and try to work out what happened. Of course at Tamihere’s trial there was no crime scene. He was convicted without bodies or forensic evidence. His description of stealing the car fitted all sightings and he demonstrated his method even with hand cuffs, having described it to police earlier. After stealing the car he traded tourist rides in it for basic accommodation, and pawned the gear in Auckland all for long enough that a killer would expect the tourists, and thus their car, to be reported missing. Furthermore he is of very good intelligence, which is clear from his gene stock, police interviews, and testimony ON HIS OWN BEHALF in court.
    It is safe to assume he knows more of the case than our readers here.
    This case is far from over.
    
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    September 24, 2016 1:29pm
- Notsofast
  
  Thanks to those participating in the poll, tomorrow morning we can analyse material from the court of appeal, and consider whether their judicial reasoning is better than their golf swings.
  
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  September 24, 2016 12:38pm
Manolo

New rules to sell smoke:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/09/23/vatican-new-rules-miracles-sainthood/90921746/

The Vatican issued new rules Friday for the process to determine if healings qualify as miracles for sainthood, including safeguards against possible financial abuses.
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September 24, 2016 9:44am
Manolo

Could this happen in Mt Roskill?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3802351/Calais-aid-workers-regularly-having-SEX-migrants-Jungle-camp-FEMALE-charity-helpers-likely-sleep-refugee.html
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September 24, 2016 9:46am
- Icarus
  
  This is not news. UN workers have been raping kids for years and using them as sex slaves. It is well reported.
  
  The stories forget to mention they are all black UN workers from Africa. Funny that.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:51am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, could this happen in Mt Roskill ?
  
  Nope !
  
  But only concocted ina salacious sleaze bag Daily Mail
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:52am
Icarus

stephieboy, Trump employs thousands of Mexicans, latinos and blacks. In fact the regressive leftists have been quick to point this out in an epic own goal. 🙂

How many does Hillary employ ?

http://fusion.net/story/273106/donald-trump-employs-mostly-foreign-workers-mar-a-lagos-florida/
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September 24, 2016 9:49am
- stephieboy
  
  Icarus ,
  
  Including these illegal and underpaid and exploited Polish workers ,
  
  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-signature-tower-built-polish-immigrants-article-1.2545330
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:55am
  - Icarus
    
    Thanks for pointing out how generous Mr Trump is to foreign people.
    
    But my question was how many does Hillary employ ?
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      Trump was not generous to foreign people . The Polish workers were illegal migrant workers and screwed to the hilt .Also contractors and subs ripped off . See below !
      
      I suspect the same is true of many of his current employees . Hillary Clinton doesn’t claim to run a string of failed business and bankruptcies,
      
      http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html
      
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      September 24, 2016 10:02am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Heaps, let’s face it. Her failed Middle East policies single-handedly created a thriving Transportation Security Administration industry in Homeland Security as they try to prevent radical Islamic terrorism!
      Lol.
      
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      September 24, 2016 10:04am
      - Icarus
        
        Good point. And her and Obama employed tens of thousands of “moderate” jihadist rebels in Syria, Egypt, Libya etc
        
        Which is what made them the success they are today.
        
        http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-proposes-500-million-to-aid-syrian-rebels-1403813486
        
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        September 24, 2016 10:11am
      - stephieboy
        
        All On Red , are you suggesting that Homeland security is of no consequence or that Trump will dismantle and replace it with an effective surveillance state ?
        
        Your cannot reduce the complexity of the Syrian civil war and Iraqi war against ISIS by simplistic Trump inflammatory rhetoric “bombing the shit “out of them .
        
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        September 24, 2016 10:12am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I see today’s Stephiebot is in full on question mode.
        Ok, they are stupid questions based on silly assumptions ( as usual).
        Never mind.
        
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        September 24, 2016 10:19am
big bruv

Two true stories about the NZ rugby team and those who run the game.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/84561389/One-time-Wallabies-Rod-Kafer-and-Greg-Martin-put-boot-into-the-All-Blacks-again
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/84575746/olympic-sevens-gold-medal-coach-ben-ryan-accuses-new-zealand-australia-and-france-of-cowboy-tactics-in-plundering-pacific-islands-talent

It seems that Mr Tew and many NZ rugby fans do not like the truth.
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September 24, 2016 9:53am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  True because you chose to believe it BB? Have you even read all of Graham Henry’s comments or do you chose to do what Australian media do and isolate a sentence and feign insult? He emphasised how important it was that Australian rugby was strong as did Steve Hansen. The latter even saying that NZ must do what it can to assist Australia develop their game. Kafer and his ilk trying to generate siege mentality for his media outlet is the issue and as for the “raiding” of the PI’s; how is the NZRU responsible for the actions of discredited agents who are banned here acting in self interest and cashing in on the predatory behaviour of European clubs? Have you not noticed how many Poly boys now play for the Wallabies, England and Wales? Very noticeable that the chants of “poaching” from the NH media have gone strangely quiet….
  
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  September 24, 2016 10:16am
  - Kimbo
    
    He he he. Couldn’t resist feeding the troll, eh, SC?
    
    Loved this line in the first link:
    
    “There will be young blokes in the Wallabies who have never heard of Graham Henry,” nine-test fullback (Greg) Martin said on Rugby 360…
    
    Sorry, Greg who?
    
    Not to mention:
    
    Former Wallabies Rod Kafer and Greg Martin have put the boot into the All Blacks again, accusing them of “losing their way”.
    
    He he he. Well, if the current All Black team have lost their way, I’d love to see their winning record and playing style if and when they find their way out of the forest! 😉
    
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    September 24, 2016 10:24am
    - big bruv
      
      Kimbo
      Do you really think that any Kiwi who is not totally in love with the National rugby team (well Pacific Island selection might be a more accurate descriptor) is trolling?
      Is it trolling to point out the NZ has always raped the PI nations for their best talent?
      You would be well advised to open your eyes Kimbo, just step back and take a look at Henry, Tew and that mumbling moron who coaches the team at the moment, these men are a national embarrassment .
      Rugby is a fine game, it teaches young men some very important values in life but we really must stop pretending that it matters.
      
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      September 24, 2016 2:04pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Is it trolling to point out the NZ has always raped the PI nations for their best talent?
        
        Hence the devastating win gold medal win at Rio by the NZ Rugby Mens Sevens team stacked full of Fijians, whose native team finished well off the pace…, oh, hold on.
        
        Is it trolling to point out the NZ has always raped the PI nations for their best talent?
        
        Always? Now, let’s see – the Solomon brothers (Ponsonby!) in the 1930s, then (NZ born) Bryan Williams (Ponsonby!) in the 1970s, and then (NZ) born Joe Stanly (Ponsonby!) and Michael Jones followed in the mid-1980s, so I’m not too sure where “always” comes from, especially as it is primarily a reflection of historic migration patterns.
        
        You know, how those of Italian, Greek and Lebanese extraction represent Australia
        
        Those whose roots are in the sub-continent, Caribbean or Nigeria represent the UK
        
        …and Algerian and West Africans play for France.
        
        You would be well advised to open your eyes Kimbo, just step back and take a look at Henry, Tew and that mumbling moron who coaches the team at the moment, these men are a national embarrassment .
        
        Meh. All coaches are arrogant and concerned with only one thing – winning. That is their job, that is what they are judged on. The Aussies may as well sook that rain is wet. Name me a successful top level coach who didn’t exhibit arrogance (usually as a tool to try and influence opponents, btw)? How about the Aussies? Alan Jones, Bib Dwyer, Rod Macqueen, Eddie Jones – all good coaches…and arrogant.
        
        The Poms – Sir Clive Woodward? Absolutely. Carwyn James? Yep, at times. Ian McGeechan – no, I’ll make an exception for him. A thorough gentleman, who, unlike other coaches wouldn’t make a drum out of his own mother’s skin to beat out his own praises.
        
        Rugby is a fine game, it teaches young men some very important values in life but we really must stop pretending that it matters.
        
        He he he. Um, my stance has been in the ultimate wash up, the results of rugby, like any sport don’t really matter. Instead it is a form of escapism that sometimes teaches lessons for life, while also reflecting human goodness, greatness, weakness and folly. So the fact it doesn’t “matter” actually makes it sometimes rather “important”.
        
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        September 24, 2016 2:16pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        How many current All Blacks are foreign born BB?
        
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        September 24, 2016 4:45pm
  - big bruv
    
    SC, Henry has always been one of the very worst examples of NZ rugby arrogance, he positively reeks of it.
    
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    September 24, 2016 1:59pm
    - Kimbo
      
      The most successful coaches win because they are arrogant, and are arrogant because they win.
      
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      September 24, 2016 2:23pm
    - Icarus
      
      Yes but the fans are turned on by the homo-erotic aspect of scantily clad sweaty men groping each other with gay abandon in a field.
      
      It over rides their higher brain function and appeals to basic lust.
      
      Its all rather icky but each to their own I say 🙂
      
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      September 24, 2016 2:34pm
All_on_Red

Apparently Hillary is really looking forward to the Debates. She cant wait to lecture Americans about their duty to take in Yemenis whose cities were leveled by the weapons she sold to Saudi Arabia.
As warmongers go, there is no one more compassionate!
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September 24, 2016 10:15am
- Icarus
  
  She can’t even get through a quiet meeting with her media propaganda lapdogs.
  
  How the hell will she debate Trump ?
  
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  September 24, 2016 10:17am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Rumour has it that Trump is going to bring his secret weapon.
    A strobe light!
    #crazy eyes
    
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    September 24, 2016 10:21am
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
FYI – seen this?

A Bright $0B Plan to Fix Auckland’s Gridlock | Scoop News

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1609/S00701/a-bright-0b-plan-to-fix-aucklands-gridlock.htm

• Penny Bright wants folks to look on the bright side.

Saying: “activists get things done”, she suggests that “right now, if we get more people carpooling, to get more people in a fewer number of cars, that would help stop the congestion.”

Having a PhD in ‘fuss-making’, she says as mayor she would say “listen, if you are sick of congestion here is what you can do: here’s an app, on your phone, you are going from A to B, I want you to see if you can get another couple of people in your car.

I mean, where is the campaign?

Where are the TV ads, the PUSH to try and stop congestion, making do with what we’ve got and encouraging people to do carpooling, etcetera?

There will be less congestion because I will make sure that happens.”

(5 minute You Tube clip 🙂

Auckland Mayoral Election 2016 Penny Bright Transport Pitch – YouTube

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=FKQBrlMR7ZE

Kind regards

Penny Bright

2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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September 24, 2016 10:21am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Pay your rates you stupid woman and you might have some credibility.
  
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  September 24, 2016 10:28am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Let me tell you something.
  I do not want stinking hippy dysfunctional lazy dropkicks in my car Ms Spray and Walk Away.
  Pay up you freeloader
  
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  September 24, 2016 10:33am
- starboard
  
  I wouldn’t want to get into your Austin A 30 that stinks of cat piss Penny..Id rather walk thanks.
  
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  September 24, 2016 10:35am
- Happychappy
  
  What with a angle grinder on a padlock on a water meter.
  activists always bullshit
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:01am
- Biscuit
  
  There’d be more chance, I know, of me (a 64-year-old male) becoming a mother, ha, but where is Penny’s follow-up statement, to wit:
  
  If I am elected Mayor, I will happily offer my mayoral limousine as part of the car pool facility I will impose on everyday ratepayers.
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:31am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Another $7000 in costs awarded to Auckland Council against you yesterday eh Penny. How much is that now?
  
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  September 24, 2016 12:56pm
Reid

The regrettable thing is many of you won’t see a thing wrong with this in fact I daresay some of the dimmer bulbs here will even defend it.

The world is going to hell in a handcart and it’s the fault of those who would allow this to go through without comment, because evil happens when good men stand aside and do nothing about it.

https://www.rt.com/usa/360434-satan-school-clubs-america/
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September 24, 2016 10:28am
wreck1080

Interesting letter to the editor in the Herald the other day (which you don’t get online). Person put their house up for sale in a modest north shore suburb. Had 40 viewing appointments, 36 were asian (going by population makeup about 10 of the 40 should have been asian).

Bidding ended with 3 chinese bidders, and the winning bid was a chinese man who worked in china but his family would live in the house.

Effectively, this sale would go down as a sale to a New Zealander in the government stats.

The letter writer was commenting on how these people are probably not contributing to the tax base either, because the father lives overseas.

He should be , but bet hes not.

Although an anecdote, given the huge over representation of asian buyers I wonder if it is representative. It is not like there isn’t demand from other races.
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September 24, 2016 10:41am
Hugh Pavletich

CHINA’S ECONOMY … UPDATE …

Fitch reveals the $2trillion black hole in China’s economy that heralds a lost decade … Ambrose Evans-Pritchard … UK Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/09/22/fitch-warns-bad-debts-in-china-are-ten-times-official-claims-sta/

Bad debts in the Chinese banking system are ten times higher than officially admitted, and rescue costs could reach a third of GDP within two years if the authorities let the crisis fester, Fitch Ratings has warned. … read more via hyperlink above …

Chinese sneezes | The Economist

http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21707534-financial-contagion-china-now-rivals-america-chinese-sneezes

China Steadies Economy With Risk-Laden Tactics – WSJ

http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-steadies-economy-with-risk-laden-tactics-1474527944

The Bank of England is sounding the alarm on Chinese debt | Business Insider

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/bank-of-england-on-china-debt-2016-9?r=US&IR=T

China spends more in the world than the world spends in China – BBC News

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37448573

China’s overseas investment soars | Shanghai Daily

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/business/finance/Chinas-overseas-investment-soars/shdaily.shtml

Inside China’s Ghost Towns … Al Jazeera

http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/asia/2016/09/china-ghost-towns-developers-run-money-160914084316042.html
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September 24, 2016 10:50am
- Inandout
  
  Whatever happened to the advice of Mao?
  “A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.” Mao Tse-tung
  
  Not a thousand steps start with a single mile. China is doomed to being sunk under an avalanche of ‘progress’.
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:03am
  - Brigitte
    
    The saying is originally from Lao Tze who lived around 600bc. Not sure if Mao used it but if he did it wasn’t (obviously) original.
    
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    September 24, 2016 1:10pm
suzieq

Tattoos on women: tramp stamps.
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September 24, 2016 11:02am
- Inandout
  
  I often notice a woman about town with almost every inch of her body covered in tattoos, more noticeable of course in the summer. Her appearance screams of ‘look at me, look at me!’
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:06am
  - Icarus
    
    The funny thing is they think their banal scribbles are unique and significant.
    
    Tats scream trashy.
    
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    September 24, 2016 11:09am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , “.. notice a woman about town.. “? Boobs included ?
    
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    September 24, 2016 12:05pm
    - Inandout
      
      Is sex all you Islamists think about?
      
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      September 24, 2016 12:21pm
Icarus

The smart ones are jumping ship early. No doubt to work on the next project to give their pseudo science some relevance, by tapping into social and environmental sentiments of an ignorant public.

“Top climate scientists admit global warming forecasts were wrong

Top climate scientists have admitted that their global warming forecasts are wrong and world is not heating at the rate they claimed it was in a key report.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatechange/10310712/Top-climate-scientists-admit-global-warming-forecasts-were-wrong.html
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September 24, 2016 11:02am
- Griff
  
  Gibbering yet again .
  It is 2016 not 2013.
  When you need to go way back in the past to find something stupid to post it really makes you look trapped in a secure ward .
  http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201608
  
  The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for August 2016 was the highest for August in the 137-year period of record, marking the 16th consecutive month of record warmth for the globe. The August 2016 temperature departure of 0.92°C (1.66°F) above the 20th century average of 15.6°C (60.1°F) surpassed the previous record set in 2015 by 0.05°C (0.09°F). August 2016 was also the highest monthly land and ocean temperature departure since April 2016 and tied with September 2015 as the eighth highest monthly temperature departure among all months (1,640) on record. Fourteen of the 15 highest monthly land and ocean temperature departures in the record have occurred since February 2015,
  
  Get nursey to show you a calendar.
  It is what normal people not locked up for their own safety use to mark the passage of days months and years.
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:38am
  - Icarus
    
    Oh so calendars prove the world is ending LOL 🙂 🙂
    
    Don’t worry mate, they will start sending out new calendars any day now. I promise.
    
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    September 24, 2016 11:49am
    - Griff
      
      😆
      It is not me who posts rubbish from three years ago.
      Fuck knows were you get the world will end from ?
      Poor deluded screen licker all you can do is post gibberish.
      
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      September 24, 2016 11:56am
      - Icarus
        
        Hundreds of years ago they figured out the world was a spherical shape. Does that make it wrong now ? At what exact age does reality expire, you don’t say in your comment ?
        
        Take your time answering, have another toke and think about it.
        
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        September 24, 2016 12:00pm
      - Icarus
        
        Stoned VS Shroomed Challenge (EXTENDED VERSION)
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VngzAHtVms
        
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        September 24, 2016 12:07pm
Reid

No wonder the US refused to allow release of any details of the Geneva Agreement, which Russia always wanted to release, in full. Turns out, as Kerry explained at the UN on Thursday, the Syrian airforce is prohibited from bombing Al-Qa’ida forces, because “the moderates” refuse to separate themselves from them.

Now you’d think if someone knew the people they were with were about to become bombing targets, that would be a powerful incentive to move away, wouldn’t ya. So all Washington needs to do is tell its “moderates” precisely that, isn’t it.

But no, instead it insists on Al-Qa’ida not being taken out, at all.

This is the country most of you think are the good guys.

“The Terrorists R Us”, In Kerry’s Own Words: Syria Prohibited from Attacking al-Qaeda

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-terrorists-r-us-in-kerrys-own-words-syria-prohibited-from-attacking-al-qaeda/5547389
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September 24, 2016 11:19am
- Icarus
  
  The sheeple think Russia is the problem. They have swallowed Obama’s war propaganda hook line and sinker.
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:23am
- stephieboy
  
  Reid ,
  
  Global Research a purveyor of reasoned and rational comment ?
  
  Yeah right !
  
  Chem trails
  
  http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-secret-war/5421137
  
  plus,
  
  HAARP
  
  http://www.globalresearch.ca/haarp-secret-weapon-used-for-weather-modification-electromagnetic-warfare/20407
  
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  September 24, 2016 12:08pm
Odakyu-sen

I like to think that two men of the world such as Putin and Trump can reach an agreement between themselves for the mutual benefit of both their nations.
(If Trump wins the election, a whole lot of “consultants” and “advisers” are going to find the value of their services questioned like never before.)
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September 24, 2016 11:28am
- Icarus
  
  Putin is a statesman. He is smart and tough. He can work with Trump.
  
  Obama is a light weight appointed on his skin tone. He reminds me of other African warlords strutting around with gold plated AK-47’s
  
  Obama’s cowardice and ignorance has re-started the cold war and resulted in a massive military build up on Russia’s borders.
  
  This is typical African behaviour. Its in his genes.
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:34am
  - Inandout
    
    In politics, according to Frank Underwood, ‘you either eat the baby, or you are the baby’.
    
    Obama is the baby because traditionally Russian leaders admire tough adversaries.
    
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    September 24, 2016 12:37pm
Fletch

A political scientist who has correctly predicted every election in the U.S since 1984 reckons that Trump will win. He has come up with a list of ’13 questions’ or criteria by which to calculate who will win.

LICHTMAN: “The Keys to the White House” is a historically based prediction system. I derived the system by looking at every American presidential election from 1860 to 1980, and have since used the system to correctly predict the outcomes of all eight American presidential elections from 1984 to 2012.

The keys are 13 true/false questions, where an answer of “true” always favors the reelection of the party holding the White House, in this case the Democrats. And the keys are phrased to reflect the basic theory that elections are primarily judgments on the performance of the party holding the White House. And if six or more of the 13 keys are false — that is, they go against the party in power — they lose. If fewer than six are false, the party in power gets four more years.

The keys, which are explained in depth in Lichtman’s book “Predicting the Next President: The Keys to the White House 2016” are:

1. Party Mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections.

2. Contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination.

3. Incumbency: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.

4. Third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign.

5. Short-term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign.

6. Long-term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms.

7. Policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy.

8. Social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term.

9. Scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal.

10 Foreign/military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs.

11. Foreign/military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs.

12. Incumbent charisma: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero.

13. Challenger charisma: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/23/trump-is-headed-for-a-win-says-professor-whos-predicted-30-years-of-presidential-outcomes-correctly/
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September 24, 2016 11:30am
Griff

What are you all going to do when the orangutan loses?
It will be quite around here without the constant gibbering of trumpies fan bots.
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September 24, 2016 11:41am
- Icarus
  
  Obama can’t run this time silly.
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:51am
  - Griff
    
    The orangutan is the guy with the bright orange spay tan .
    He is not going to win .
    Wait for the debates it going to be funny .
    The press are going to keep pointing out every thing he says is bullshit… Trump will chuck a tanty and run away
    
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    September 24, 2016 12:03pm
    - Fletch
      
      Nope. Trump has hired Breitbart’s news chief. I daresay he will know how to instruct Trump in what to say and what not to say.
      
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      September 24, 2016 12:06pm
      - Griff
        
        Oh dear
        The debates are live.
        Having a breitbart knob training the orangutan is not going to make any difference when it is not a scripted speech.
        Almost every thing trump says is bullshite .
        The press is pissed off with his crap.
        They are going to fact check the debate every time he lies they will point it out. Trump will end up looking stupid.
        He is loosing now the debates will waste him.
        http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
        
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        September 24, 2016 12:14pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Fletch , is Breitbart’s news chief a trained Ventriloquist ?
        
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        September 24, 2016 12:15pm
      - Griff
        
        Good one stephieboy we know who the dummy is ….
        Though a monkey trainer would be better when it comes to the orangutan.
        
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        September 24, 2016 12:19pm
      - Fletch
        
        Nope, Hillary will most likely flake out or have a seizure under those hot lights for 90 minutes. She won’t be able to stand up long enough.
        
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        September 24, 2016 12:28pm
Viking2

POLITICAL SADISTS’

Political commentator and blogger Martyn Bradbury on Friday afternoon told the court that Jordan Williams was “manipulative” and akin to a “venomous spider”.

Bradbury had the jury in fits of laughter as he also explained his disdain for Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater.

“Loathe is not strong enough a word,” he said.

His descriptions prompted Williams’ lawyer Peter McKnight to suggest Bradbury was being “flippant”.

Bradbury gave evidence of Williams’ character and criticised his relationship with Slater.

Williams’ leaking information about Craig to Slater was for Williams’ “own political ends”, Bradbury thought.

He approved of the circulation of Craig’s leaflet which called Williams dishonest.

“As far as I was concerned, I thought the leaflet was an appropriate response to a pack of political sadists,” Bradbury said.

“I think this [trial is] an angry fight between two people who don’t like each other much. It’s very, very important for the jury to find the truth in this.”

So Craig rolled out the greatest sysops since time began. Imagine wanting to be associated with that idiot.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/84575473/rachel-macgregor-possessive-of-former-conservative-leader-colin-craig-court-hears
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September 24, 2016 11:41am
- Griff
  
  The worlds greatest sysops is Lynne Prentice V2 not Martin Martyn Bradbury .
  Every one knows that
  
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  September 24, 2016 11:44am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Correct Griff – Martin Martyn Bradbury is the World’s Greatest Oracle, with a prediction record of almost 100%; that’s almost 100% of predictions wrong. He is otherwise known as Wrongly Wrongson.
    
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    September 24, 2016 1:00pm
    - Viking2
      
      Ah yes, got that wrong but I presume that its the same Martin / Martyn Bradbury who registered twice as an elector at the last election. A lawyer to boot I think!
      
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      September 24, 2016 4:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Media Guru, Martyn Bradbury, seemed to be unaware that it might not be a good look for him to have been posting nasty stuff about Williams a week before he was called to give evidence.
  
  Under cross-examination Williams’ lawyer Peter Knight grilled Bradbury about his posting blogs that had “derogatory, horrible and sleazy” comments about his client before he gave evidence.
  
  He asked Bradbury if he thought it appropriate to “attack” Williams online given he was coming to court to give evidence against him days later.
  
  Bradbury admitted posting about the trial last week but said he had not posted about his own evidence.
  
  “Did you think it was appropriate given you were going to be a witness, to do that?” said McKnight.
  
  “My understanding was that I could not talk about my evidence, I didn’t realise I couldn’t blog about breaking news,” he said.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11715434
  
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  September 24, 2016 2:57pm
Fletch

Corrupt State Department convinces judge to delay release of 14,900 new Hillary Clinton emails until AFTER Election Day…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3804668/Absolutely-corrupt-State-Department-convinces-judge-delay-release-14-900-new-Hillary-Clinton-emails-Election-Day.html
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September 24, 2016 11:46am
Griff

Catholic church launches review over Grindr sex-scandal claims
Catholic church authorities have ordered a review of social media access for priests after allegations of Grindr use.

An Irish seminary has been asked to review its social media policy after allegations emerged of a ‘gay culture’ between trainee priests.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/08/25/catholic-church-launches-review-over-grindr-sex-scandal-claims/
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September 24, 2016 11:49am
Fletch

ps, Ted Cruz has now endorsed Trump.

https://www.facebook.com/tedcruzpage/posts/10154476728267464

As has the former speechwriter for Robert F Kennedy.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/rfk-trump-2016-democratic-party-speechwriter-214270
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September 24, 2016 12:07pm
- Icarus
  
  Meanwhile Bill can’t even bring himself to support Hillary as he bonks everything that moves. Who can blame him.
  
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  September 24, 2016 12:14pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch ,and George H Bush and his son George W won’t be voting for Trump .
  
  Can see Jeb following suit !
  
  Wiippedy doo !
  
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  September 24, 2016 12:20pm
- cha
  
  Lying Ted, huh.
  
  “I’m going to do something I haven’t done the entire campaign. I’m going to tell you what I really think of Donald Trump. This man is a pathological liar. He doesn’t know the difference between truth and lies. He lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth. And in a pattern that I think is straight out of a psychology text book, his response is to accuse everybody else of lying. … Donald Trump is such a narcissist that Barack Obama looks at him and says, ‘Dude, what’s your problem?’ The man is utterlly amoral. … Whatever lie he’s telling, in that minute he believes it. But the man is utterly amoral. Morality does not exist for him. It’s why he went after Heidi [Cruz] directly, attacked her and smeared her. Heidi isn’t pretty enough for him. … Donald is a bully. … Bullies don’t come from strength, they come from weakness. … There’s a reason Donald builds giant buildings and puts his name on them everywhere he goes. …Donald has a real problem with women”
  
  https://boingboing.net/2016/09/23/ted-cruz-to-endorse-donald-tru.html
  
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  September 24, 2016 2:43pm
Icarus

Leading climate scientist reveals plan to save the world
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September 24, 2016 12:11pm
- Griff
  
  Dear dear
  THE REALITY, RISKS, AND RESPONSE TO CLIMATE CHANGE
  
  The overwhelming evidence of human-caused climate change documents both current impacts with significant costs and extraordinary future risks to society and natural systems. The scientific community has convened conferences, published reports, spoken out at forums and proclaimed, through statements by virtually every national scientific academy and relevant major scientific organization — including the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) — that climate change puts the well-being of people of all nations at risk.
  https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=aaas+climate+change+statement&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=ucXlV_vtE8rN8gfl86HgBA
  
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  September 24, 2016 12:17pm
  - Icarus
    
    The message is just not getting through to people, is it Griff ?
    
    Maybe you need to be more angry and personal in your comments when discussing the weather. 🙂
    
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    September 24, 2016 12:19pm
    - Griff
      
      I am not angry my poor little nutter.
      It is rather fun pointing out how stupid you are .
      How much karma I get on here is not a reflection of what is happening out in the world outside of your secure ward .
      
      Paris Climate Agreement Set to Take Force Later This Year
      Sept. 21, 2016
      
      The news makes it nearly impossible for Donald Trump to unravel the agreement if he is elected president
      The most significant agreement to combat climate change will gain sufficient backing to enter into force by the end of 2016, barely a year after it was negotiated at Paris, the United Nations secretary general said Wednesday.
      http://time.com/4502892/paris-agreement-un-general-assembly/
      
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      September 24, 2016 12:26pm
  - Icarus
    
    Oh dear Griffy. That linked to a 2007 article . Remember this a few minutes ago ? LOL 🙂
    
    Griff
    
    Gibbering yet again .
    It is 2016 not 2013.
    When you need to go way back in the past to find something stupid to post it really makes you look trapped in a secure ward .
    
    Get nursey to show you a calendar.
    It is what normal people not locked up for their own safety use to mark the passage of days months and years.
    
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    September 24, 2016 12:21pm
    - Griff
      
      It is a link to the official statement of the world largest scientific organization.
      That you can not tell the difference between stale news in a crappy tabloid and the official position of the worlds largest scientific body show how pathetic you are .’
      Dont lick that screen to hard now .
      
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      September 24, 2016 12:31pm
Reid

As Obongo announces he’s activating the ABM site on Russia’s border, the one that can be indetectably swapped out with fast, nuclear-tipped attack missiles, and also announces the US won’t be ratifying the treaty against weaponising space, let’s listen to what he said when he picked up the Peace Prize in Norway:

“So today, I state clearly and with conviction America’s commitment to seek the peace and security of a world without nuclear weapons… To put an end to Cold War thinking, we will reduce the role of nuclear weapons in our national security strategy, and urge others to do the same.”

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-barack-obama-prague-delivered

I wonder what the Committee who agreed to award it to him are thinking now?
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September 24, 2016 12:21pm
- Icarus
  
  Obama is spending a Trillion dollars on nukes to try and be the-man and scare Putin.
  
  He is just like the other black leaders who spend up large on weapons bling while their country lays in ruins.
  
  He just needs a gold plated AK-47 with Ivory hand grips to complete the picture.
  
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  September 24, 2016 12:25pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Icarus , those trillions of dollars are estimated expenditure projected over 30 years as the US begins modernising its nuclear arsenal .
    
    The US ‘s overwhelming Nuclear advantage is what keeps the peace and I bet Trump won’t change that nor modernising that arsenal .
    
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    September 24, 2016 12:42pm
    - Icarus
      
      Thanks for confirming Obama is spending a TRILLION dollars on war bling, while the country is bankrupt.
      
      Great to see you checking out my statement and supporting it further with specific details.
      
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      September 24, 2016 12:44pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Trump won’t change that ! That is the point !
        
        Wanna bet on it ?
        
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        September 24, 2016 12:47pm
  - sam green
    
    Is the wife embarrassed when you make statements like that under your own name? Given her profession and all.
    
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    September 24, 2016 12:45pm
Fletch

Paul Joseph Watson, on the “peaceful” ~~riots~~ protests in Charlotte.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDzsE5heUuA
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September 24, 2016 12:26pm
- Icarus
  
  The police need to do their job and use proportionate force in controlling these beasts.
  
  The bar has been set [by BLM] when they lured in Police to allow them to be gunned down by a sniper.
  
  Reasonable force would now be air support and armoured vehicles. Deadly force is the appropriate response to ensure police and public safety.
  
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  September 24, 2016 12:40pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Shoot first and ask questions after especially if you’re a Black or Hispanic ?
    
    Great recipe for continued peace on earth under Donald.
    
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    September 24, 2016 12:45pm
    - Icarus
      
      It is the BLM terrorist group shooting people on the basis of race.
      
      They should be machine gunned from an armoured vehicle. No more police should risk another mass killing by sniper fire.
      
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      September 24, 2016 12:49pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Icarus ( Kea ) ,
        
        BLM is not a Terrorist group randomly shooting Police officers and bombing Precinct Headquarters.
        
        I didn’t realise you hated Blacks that much . But hey what would you expect from a Trumpist like you ?
        
        Shoo ! Back to your Kea’s nest !
        
        https://docnz.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/dulux-kea-and-chick.jpg
        
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        September 24, 2016 12:53pm
      - Icarus
        
        Kill “cops and crackers”
        
        http://universalfreepress.com/2015/blacklivesmatter-reveal-chilling-plan-its-open-season-for-killing-cops-and-crackers/
        
        ‘Black Power group’ claims responsibility for police killings and warns of more assassinations to come
        http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dallas-police-shooting-black-power-8378177
        
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        September 24, 2016 1:06pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Nice to see you advocating killing, Stephieboy…
      
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      September 24, 2016 1:05pm
      - sam green
        
        I think Icarus is advocating a return to the good old days of slavery – when crackers were crackers and niggers were nervous ( that’s what I like about the South).
        
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        September 24, 2016 1:25pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It would be fascinating to take a sample of these rioters in Charlotte to determine their typical gender and age, as well as whether they are local residents or out-of-towners. (I must assume that no rational working man would want to destroy the local businesses from whom he purchases daily necessities, as that would be clearly stupid.) (Someone from well outside the neighborhood might think differently.)
  
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  September 24, 2016 1:03pm
  - Icarus
    
    You will need a Primatologist for that study.
    
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    September 24, 2016 1:07pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Icarus,
      
      Are the “protesters” merely opportunistic criminals?
      (What proportion are like this?)
      I am surprised that the MSM show the looting, as it casts a negative light on the “virtue” of the protesters.
      What ARE people to think?
      
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      September 24, 2016 1:18pm
      - Icarus
        
        Imagine the media if:
        
        1. Trump was president.
        
        2. Trump openly supported the KKK even while KKK followers called for the killing of “niggers and [black] cops”
        
        3. Trump continued to meet with the KKK and support them after a number of cops were murdered by the KKK when the KKK carried out its threats.
        
        Do you think the media would present Trump in a positive light and try to tell the public the killings had nothing to do with the KKK and were random acts ?
        
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        September 24, 2016 1:27pm
      - sam green
        
        There’s no comparison Icarus and you know it.
        
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        September 24, 2016 1:56pm
      - Icarus
        
        No comparison sam ? Why ?
        
        Because the KKK are not demanding people be killed, are not supported by the president and are not killing people ?
        
        Explain your real reasons or leave your racist double standard on display.
        
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        September 24, 2016 2:07pm
      - sam green
        
        You’re melting ………
        
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        September 24, 2016 2:33pm
      - sam green
        
        You’re trolling – pure and simple. However, your imperative (much like the KKKs for that matter) is the pathological hatred of African Americans. And therein is the rational for using a pseud when you were so pompous about posting under your own name. People – maybe family members – would be embarrassed to be associated with such blatant hatred. It doesn’t help anything.
        
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        September 24, 2016 2:45pm
      - Icarus
        
        Once again sam you forgot to include a point.
        
        I stated mine clearly. Now it is your turn.
        
        This is General Debate. Not an echo chamber of the perpetually smug.
        
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        September 24, 2016 3:57pm
    - Inandout
      
      Black Looters Matter.
      
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      September 24, 2016 1:40pm
      - stephieboy
        
        but policers who shoot and ask questions later do ?
        
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        September 24, 2016 2:50pm
Reid

Comment on the convoy attack:

There are several variations of the Hellfire missile fired from U.S. drones like the Predator. As evidenced by vidoes of Hellfire strikes beginning with the Iraqi war, one very popular flavor seems to be the AGM-114N variant. It contains a pretty energetic PBX-112 explosive charge surrounded by a layer of metal particles. Fine-mesh fluorinated aluminum in case you were curious. Without getting into the physics of it all, I’ll just say that this design came out of research to produce a ‘better’ fuel-air explosive.

The Metal-Augmented Charge (MAC) Hellfire AGM-114N belongs to the thermobaric category of weapons – ones designed to kill/destroy by an extended blast overpressure wave rather than conventional explosive’s overpressure spike. A secondary effect of a MAC/thermobaric weapon’s hotter, longer-duration blast wave is that it’s more likely to set things on fire than a conventional explosive. Not as much as a incendiary-purpose weapon, but more so than conventional explosives.

Isn’t killing people efficiently by more clever designs fascinating? It is to Lockheed-Martin shareholders, but I digress. At any rate, plenty of info out there on the AGM-114N and theromobarics if you’re interested.

Now, the MAC-enhanced blast of the U.S. Hellfire missiles produces an interesting visual effect at night. After the decay of an intensely-bright and well-consolidated blast flash, you can see what look like little sparkles at the edge of the receding explosion. The sparkles are residue of the burnt fluorinated aluminum that undergo a secondary burning, of sorts. It’s very distinctive once you notice it. The Russians have thermobaric bombs as well, but they are of a different design and the blast usually looks different – non-existent sparkles because of a micronized metal powder, or long-duration sparkles on very large charges for whatever reason.

So (sorry, TL:DR already) I notice that many of the MSM-replays of the supposed rebel convoy attack video was edited in a particular way to mask what is plainly (to me) a MAC blast. The BBC reports are a good example. Their version is enlarged, shaky and blurry consistent with the poor head-chopper production standards. But it is an edited version of the much clearer original video. ABC must have produced their report before the censorship memo went out. If you look at only the first second of this ABC video and try to pause it during the blast, you can see a few frames with the visual effect I’m talking about.

So what am I yammering about that has any relevance here? This: If this video was shown to me outside the context of the convoy attack, I would guess it was a Hellfire strike somewhere. Now we hear from Russia that a Predator drone (typically Hellfire-armed) was loitering around the ‘bombed convoy’ area immediately before and after the attack. An attack that produced no crater (typical of the air-blast of a thermobaric Hellfire) and numerous fires (also more likely from a thermobaric Hellfire). Then I see the curiously-edited video on most MSM seemingly intended to obscure the signature blast of a thermobaric Hellfire. [adjusts tin-foil hat] I think you know where I’m going here.

Just to set the stage for the next chapter of lies, CENTCOM or the U.S. DoD will undoubtedly deny that a U.S. drone attacked the convoy (not that any journalist will bother asking). AS we saw in the SAA/Deir EzZor attack though, it’s not necessarily a U.S. aircraft. The U.S. can deny responsibility if needed because 1) any of a number of ‘coalition partners’ have Hellfire-armed Predators violating Syrian airspace every day, and 2) all Predators of coalition partners are not necessarily under the command of their military or the CJTF-OIR coalition. The CIA, for instance, has plenty of armed drones in the Middle East. Not that these potential loopholes will be needed or used – the U.S. isn’t bashful about flinging outright lies when convenient and difficult to disprove.

This isn’t offered as any kind of proof the U.S. did it – it’s just reasonable speculation. I’m sure our inquisitive and unbiased investigative journalists in the press will get to the bottom of this in no time…

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/09/syria-the-aid-convoy-attack-points-to-further-escalation-.html
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September 24, 2016 12:58pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  In a war, it is more advantageous to severely injure enemy combatants than to kill them.
  
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  September 24, 2016 1:05pm
  - Reid
    
    Yes because it’s more inconvenient and resource-draining to treat them, but what does that have to do with what that guy is saying?
    
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    September 24, 2016 1:10pm
    - Icarus
      
      Nothing. He adores the USA and is running cover for them with distractions.
      
      Its a bit sad to see with a smart guy like that.
      
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      September 24, 2016 1:22pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , it well be one of these drones supplied to the Russians for use in Syria by Israel ,
  
  http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/24/russia-is-flying-israeli-drones-against-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria.html
  
  Plot thickens , eh !?
  
  Assad and Putin would naturally welcome and independent UNS based investigation ?
  
  Putin fibbed about Flight M17 but he wouldn’t do so about that UN Convoy now would he ?
  
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  September 24, 2016 2:57pm
Reid

Official Washington has found itself in real and dangerous quandary – it is plainly incapable of making any sense. The very ideas of honesty and integrity are alien. Like people ailing from a serious addiction, lying comes easier than telling the truth. As such, relying on propaganda and spin has become standard operating procedure. The more they deceive and resort to bombast, they more ridiculous and maniacal they appear.

Secretary of State John Kerry has seen his ceasefire plan for Syria negotiated with Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov literally go up in smoke. Of course Russia is blamed for this. But there is no getting around the fact American jets bombed and killed scores of Syrian troops (to the great advantage of ISIL). Most likely it was Ash Carter’s Pentagon that was behind this (intentional) violation of the ceasefire. Kerry raised his fists in anger – like an asylum inmate – against the Russians, but his fury probably should have been directed toward his fellow secretary at the Defense Department.

http://theduran.com/peter-lavelle-inmates-running-asylum/
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September 24, 2016 1:09pm
MH

It’s good to see Spencers Devonpoor ppty allows for desperate immigrants trying to get away from Aklds housing costs by providing jettys at critical points.
I,m not jealous….envious barsted, who’d have thought there was money in toilet paper, muck yes but loo paper. Roll me over in the clover. To the barricades, citizens, no… to the shops and the bar codes and a bit of Swedish rounding !!!
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September 24, 2016 1:30pm
Manolo

The Messiah is up to his neck in Clinton’s web of lies:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-228607

President Barack Obama used a pseudonym in email communications with Hillary Clinton and others, according to FBI records made public Friday.

The disclosure came as the FBI released its second batch of documents from its investigation into Clinton’s private email server during her tenure as secretary of state.
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September 24, 2016 1:42pm
- Kimbo
  
  Meh. Unless the code name is “Deep Throat”, no one in the American MSM will care. Different rules for Republicans and Democrats.
  
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  September 24, 2016 1:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Well I’ve had no decent advice about my desiccated old skin from all you expert lady viewers.

I’m torn between adopting the burka or going full ink
http://www.newhealthadvisor.com/images/1HT00646/old_people_tattoos.jpg
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September 24, 2016 1:52pm
- Kimbo
  
  Well I’ve had no decent advice about my desiccated old skin from all you expert lady viewers.
  
  Fools rush in where angles fear to tread
  
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  September 24, 2016 3:36pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    What sort of angles? 180’s ;).
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:45pm
    - Kimbo
      
      He he he. Now that must be a Freudian slip!
      
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      September 24, 2016 10:42pm
- calendar girl
  
  You will have to show us clear photographic evidence before anyone will believe that your skin is in that condition, Maggy!
  
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  September 24, 2016 3:41pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @calendar girl
    
    As the sight of my white wrinkly old flesh frightens me and the cats, I couldn’t possibly flash it all over the internet and damage young impressionable minds.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DjRhCqubrDI/TPZ5-iZdQnI/AAAAAAAAAHI/zXKxexch6f0/s1600/wrinkly%2Bold%2Blady.png
    
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    September 24, 2016 5:17pm
    - Icarus
      
      A nice fatty steak is good Maggy. Protein and fat are essential. Pen reared beef is best if you can find some in this land of wandering cows.
      
      Stay away from grains, root veges, bread pasta, as the way carbs are stored in the body will make you puffy. A few GMO potatoes are all you need every few days.
      
      Cold weather is tough on the skin. Get a nice Harp Seal coat. It will cost a fortune but is a real investment. You could go and smash their heads in and make one yourself. They are dumb as a bag of rocks and easy to harvest.
      
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      September 24, 2016 6:03pm
- GoVege
  
  Try eating butter and sticking on heaps of skin cream Maggie…and keep out of the sun.
  I agree…that’s the only good excuse for a burqa.
  
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  September 24, 2016 5:56pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s too late for the skin cream… the damage is done.
    The brilliant gizzy sun is a bit hostile for my 0.9 albedo skin.
    I spend most of the year covered up… so I don’t usually scare the Kaiti wildlife.
    
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    September 24, 2016 10:07pm
Manolo

stephieboy will be pissed off after reading this:
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/09/23/kim-kardashian-donald-trump

In the past, Kim Kardashian has been pretty vocal about her support for Hillary Clinton. But in a recent interview with Wonderland Magazine, the reality star apparently revealed she’s now “on the fence” about her presidential pick.
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September 24, 2016 1:54pm
MH

and I thought it was my Kiwisaver funds that were keepingThe US Defense Dept up to scratch in the war on Terror.
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September 24, 2016 2:17pm
Icarus

America in the 1800’s

1800’s

1. Full employment for all blacks.

2. Housing for all.

3. Food for everyone.

4. Clothing for every man woman and child.

5. No personal security/safety issues.

All in return for a bit of light gardening work.

2016

1. Mass unemployment.

2. Homelessness.

3. No food.

4. Thousands in chains and locked in cells.

5. A culture riddled with drugs, abuse, murder and deprivation.

6. Currently rioting and killing people as they demand the same standard of living blacks had in the 1800’s
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September 24, 2016 2:18pm
- sam green
  
  Some more bollocks from the master of hate.
  
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  September 24, 2016 2:50pm
  - Icarus
    
    Is there a particular point you want to debate sam, or do you just want to express anger and hate as usual ?
    
    Why do you have double standards and at what
    skin-tone do the standards change ?
    
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    September 24, 2016 2:53pm
    - sam green
      
      Made my point – quite calmly too.
      
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      September 24, 2016 2:55pm
      - Icarus
        
        Sorry, what was your point ?
        
        The offer to debate any claim made is still open.
        
        Why are you always so negative and in a rage ? Maybe blogs are not really your thing and you can stick to the echo chamber of the msm with its anti – white bias and revisionist history. If you want a “safe-space”
        
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        September 24, 2016 2:58pm
      - sam green
        
        You’re a funny guy. ?
        
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        September 24, 2016 3:06pm
      - Icarus
        
        Nope… still no “point”
        
        Keep trying little man. Try and think something for yourself instead of hurling abuse at anyone that does not accurately recite the bullshit you have spent your life believing.
        
        You can not defend your beliefs because you don’t really have any morality of your own. You just repeat what you think is the right thing to say to be popular and fit it.
        
        You are pathetic and need to elevate yourself. Now is your chance wee fella.
        
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        September 24, 2016 3:11pm
      - sam green
        
        You’ve got no clothes on Icarus – keep digging though – it’s fun to watch.
        
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        September 24, 2016 3:19pm
      - Icarus
        
        sam this is General Debate, that means you need to have a point.
        
        Making smug and vague little comments is not a point sam. It makes you look tragic and weak.
        
        Come on little man, try and come up with a reasoned point of your very own. I’m here to help 🙂
        
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        September 24, 2016 3:22pm
      - sam green
        
        Made my point above – you’re trolling. But keep it up – because you’re outing yourself bit by bit.
        
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        September 24, 2016 3:29pm
  - Icarus
    
    No no no sam. This is not a point.
    
    “Some more bollocks from the master of hate.
    
    It is a smug and contrived attempt at virtue signalling. At least we know you are an intellectual and moral cripple now. So I guess some good has come of our wee exchange.
    
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    September 24, 2016 3:33pm
    - sam green
      
      Gotcha!
      
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      September 24, 2016 3:35pm
      - Icarus
        
        Are you a bit special sam ?
        
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        September 24, 2016 3:38pm
    - Gabby
      
      What’s your replacement for virtue sugnalling next week? It might be about time to give Gravitas another run round the block.
      
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      September 24, 2016 3:42pm
stephieboy

Icarus , glad to have go .

Mass unemployment ?The US unemployment rate stands at 4.9 August 2016% ,

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

Full employment for Blacks 1800s ? As slaves ?
Now you have a go at documenting you other scurrilous lies eg No food ,thousands in chains etc etc
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September 24, 2016 3:17pm
- Icarus
  
  Go ask your buddies in the racist terrorist group BLM, or those rioting in the streets killing people.
  
  They claim blacks are being locked up at far higher rates than others. They claim blacks are socially deprived.
  
  Go ask them and tell us how it goes.
  
  Racial Disparities in Incarceration
  
  African Americans now constitute nearly 1 million of the total 2.3 million incarcerated population
  African Americans are incarcerated at nearly six times the rate of whites
  
  http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet
  
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  September 24, 2016 3:25pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/prison.htm
    This is an interesting analysis that suggests that if the US incarcerates less people it will actually wind up with a higher proportion of blacks in jail compared to other groups as a consequence of underlying distribution of criminality in different groups of the population.
    
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    September 24, 2016 5:44pm
  - GoVege
    
    Instead of just classifying inmates on gender and race, they need to determine the status of their family of origin.
    I.e. intact with both biological parents, or busted.
    Then they might start to lower their imprisonment rate.
    A large part of the problem with non-white guys is they tend to be chauvinists who won’t stick with their wives and kids.
    It’s more a sexism problem than a racism one.
    
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    September 24, 2016 5:53pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘The US unemployment rate stands at 4.9 August 2016% ,’
  
  Oh dear, a very nice example of why everyone on here calls you Stupidboy- very rude and uncivil of them I know. But by my count you have been told at least 5 times that this figure does not include those who are no longer looking for work. These people are still unemployed.
  If you include that group then the figure rises to almost 10%. And of course on multiple times you have been told the source for that is the US Bureau of Labor Statistics.
  It’s hard to escape the conclusion that you really are the dumbest commentator (Trademark Mikey) here but could you at least try to keep up? Makes for a droll day otherwise.
  
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  September 24, 2016 4:03pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    And of course all the unregistered unemployed which are always invisible stats
    
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    September 24, 2016 7:20pm
stephieboy

Reid out there ,

Something to Mull over ,

“Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu were all smiles when they shook hands for the fourth time in a year Tuesday.

Netanyahu is in Moscow for the third time since fall 2015 to mark the 25th anniversary of Russia and Israel’s diplomatic relationship. It is therefore all the more surprising that the two men are meeting in such amicable circumstances.

Far from being traditional bedfellows, the Kremlin and Tel Aviv did not even maintain direct channels with one another until a quarter of a century ago. The Soviet Union perceived Israel as a U.S.-backed state and even motioned that the U.N. equate Zionism to racism in 1975. Israel, meanwhile, perceived Moscow as a backer of regional foes such as Syria and Egypt….”

http://www.newsweek.com/why-israels-netanyahu-warming-putin-467569

Thoughts ?
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September 24, 2016 3:24pm
- Icarus
  
  Bullshit. There are over a million Russian Jews in Israel. There has been a strong connection between the two nations since Israel formed.
  
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  September 24, 2016 3:29pm
- Gabby
  
  Benji finds Putie’s political complexion more congenial.
  
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  September 24, 2016 3:40pm
stephieboy

Icarus , it is for Reid to mull over . Not a nasty troll like you.

But here for you to chew over ,

“There’s been a big decline in the black incarceration rate, and almost nobody’s paying attention,”

“After decades of growth, the U.S. imprisonment rate has been declining for the past six years. Hidden within this welcome overall trend is a sizable and surprising racial disparity: African-Americans are benefitting from the national de-incarceration trend but whites are serving time at increasingly higher rates….”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/10/almost-nobody-is-paying-attention-to-this-massive-change-in-criminal-justice/
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September 24, 2016 3:38pm
- Icarus
  
  No stephieboy, posting lies and crying Troll when called out is not going to work.
  
  Q. Is it your position that blacks are not disadvantaged in the USA criminal justice system ?
  
  Q. What do you say to Obama and the millions of blacks who think that is rubbish ?
  
  Q. Do you think the official statistics are being manipulated as part of a conspiracy ?
  
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  September 24, 2016 4:01pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Stephieboy
  ‘. Not a nasty troll like you.’
  I’d observe that every day you come on here, rush around all the comments where you misrepresent ( aka LIE) about what people have said and ask silly questions based on incorrect assumptions and you do so in a rude and insulting way. Then you wonder why people get rude to you.
  So, sorry, you are the nasty Troll on here.You add nothing to the debate, and because you just aren’t bright enough to do so, end up looking gullible and foolish.
  
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  September 24, 2016 4:07pm
sam green

Watching the rugger tonight All_on_Red? Who’s your money on?
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September 24, 2016 4:19pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Who’s playing?
  
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  September 24, 2016 4:20pm
  - sam green
    
    Sorry. I totally got that wrong. I was thinking we were in Argentina. I blame mrs green for putting me crook.
    
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    September 24, 2016 4:26pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Is it next week? I see both of us got a down tick for talking rugby.
      Stephie must be lurking.
      Argentina and SA away will be hard. I’d think we should prevail but both could be very close. Could lose either of them.
      I’m more interested in Moto Gp in Spain. Will Marquez win and increase his lead? He’s doing great in practise so far
      
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      September 24, 2016 4:28pm
      - Icarus
        
        He is too busy lurking outside the mosque following young women to the cafe.
        
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        September 24, 2016 4:31pm
      - sam green
        
        2nd and 9th. Yeah – I think particularly the SA game. But those Pumas would’ve been working on their game too. Should be good.
        
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        September 24, 2016 4:33pm
Icarus

Looks like Obama’s friends in BLM are continuing with the slaughter of “cops and crackers”.

Shoppers gunned down in US shopping mall, shooter on the run

“Four confirmed deceased in the mall, shooter(s) left scene [before] police arrived, unknown [number] of shooter, possibly just 1, police clearing mall now,” he wrote on Twitter.

He described the principal suspect as a “Hispanic male wearing grey” who was last seen walking towards a highway out of the town of 8,500 people.

It remains unclear how many people have been injured or what the motive was behind the attack

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/84624885/shoppers-gunned-down-in-us-shopping-mall-shooter-on-the-run
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September 24, 2016 4:30pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Well, I guess it makes a change from them shooting each other.
  They need to cull out the illegal guns but the only way to do that is stop and search. Which they have stopped because it’s ‘waycist profiling’!
  So now the gangs have lots of guns and carry them everywhere. Hence , more shootings
  
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  September 24, 2016 4:41pm
  - Icarus
    
    Zero; The number of these shooter who are Trump supporters.
    
    Funny that 🙂
    
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    September 24, 2016 4:42pm
  - Griff
    
    Sounds like a good idea all on red.
    Should have it here.
    Anyone who looks like a maori should be searched
    We all know all maori are such criminals. If you see one walking down the street it is has probably just stolen something.
    
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    September 24, 2016 4:49pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Now you’re being silly Griff. I’m Maori and I’m not a thief
      
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      September 24, 2016 4:50pm
      - GoVege
        
        AoR is Maori?
        Pull the other one!
        What tribe are you from?
        
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        September 24, 2016 5:45pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Nga Puhi
        You better check the other one, cause I might have stolen it!
        Well, according to that racist Griff.
        
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        September 24, 2016 7:03pm
      - GoVege
        
        Nga Puhi!
        Aren’t you the guys who bought muskets off the Pakeha and came down to Auckland and wiped out the Auckland tribes?
        For shame!
        Apologize and arrange compo ASAP. ..
        
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        September 24, 2016 9:49pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Do you think the All Blacks will beat both the Argies and South Africa Griff?
      
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      September 24, 2016 4:52pm
    - Griff
      
      Are you maori all on red ?
      Well thats nice.
      Are you sure you are not a thief ? All maori are thief’s we should just random search them for stolen goods all the time
      Do you beat kids to death ?
      That is what all maori do .
      We should not let them have children because they beat them to death.
      
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      September 24, 2016 4:57pm
      - Icarus
        
        ********** DON’T DO DRUGS KIDS **********
        
        Dear oh dear Griffy 🙂 ^^^^
        
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        September 24, 2016 5:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Its “Māori” Griff. And “thieves”.
        Please try to be more accurate with your racist diatribe.
        Any thoughts on the rugby?
        
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        September 24, 2016 5:05pm
      - Griff
        
        They need to cull out the illegal guns but the only way to do that is stop and search. Which they have stopped because it’s ‘waycist profiling’!
        
        What is the maori crime rate ?
        How many kids to they kill .
        Should we take away all on reds rights just because he belongs to the same race as do most of the crime and kill most the kids in this country.
        
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        September 24, 2016 5:08pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No idea Griff.
        You’re telling the story.
        Do share.
        
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        September 24, 2016 5:10pm
      - Icarus
        
        Have you ever had a girlfriend Griff ?
        
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        September 24, 2016 5:14pm
      - Griff
        
        Have you ever been out of that secure unit kea ?
        
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        September 24, 2016 5:18pm
      - GoVege
        
        If three quarters of white girls in this country were on the DPB, like Maori, believe me there would be way more white kids being beaten to death.
        
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        September 24, 2016 5:38pm
      - Icarus
        
        Griff is setting up a commune in the heart of Maori country to wait for the global flood / end times.
        
        He might find stuff going missing (a lot) if he does not change his attitude to Maori. Mind you, I doubt Maori are into bongs and smelly homespun hippie jerseys.
        
        Poor Griff. So angry at the world just because some people question his weather forecasts.
        
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        September 24, 2016 5:54pm
    - GoVege
      
      Possibly, but I doubt if he’s stolen as much as the white dude over there.
      
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      September 24, 2016 5:41pm
All_on_Red

I’m impressed with the Pumas. They struggled when they first joined but it’s working well for them getting the competition at a higher level.
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September 24, 2016 4:35pm
All_on_Red

Have you noticed that often when the stupid one gets a serve or made to look silly he goes all quiet.
It’s like it thinks that if he waits for a few posts to come along and the serve gets buried that it somehow never happened. Then it’s ok
He’s the human Ostrich!
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September 24, 2016 4:46pm
- Icarus
  
  Yes, he thinks we are as easily fooled as him.
  
  I wish he would put more effort into his lying and misleading statements. He is making it too easy.
  
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  September 24, 2016 4:50pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    You have to admire his stamina though. He’s like a little energiser bunny rushing here and there.
    
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    September 24, 2016 4:53pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Just like his Dad.
      (remember ad)
      
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      September 24, 2016 7:07pm
stigie

Sharks had a big win last night over the Cowboys who had to travel down from North Queensland to Sydney. The Cowboys were favourites even though they had a brutal game the week before against the Bronco’s when the Sharks had been resting for 2 weeks. Made a tidy sum on the less favoured team.
A bit of useless information for anyone that’s interested !~
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September 24, 2016 6:11pm
- mikenmild
  
  It’s always nice to share the news when the investment pays off.
  
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  September 24, 2016 6:19pm
  - stigie
    
    Very seldom i do Milky ole chap..?
    
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    September 24, 2016 6:24pm
Icarus

Enviro-Psychologists Confirm Climate Alarmists Are Making Themselves Mentally Sick…”Doomer Depression”

The strategy of scaring people into action on climate change has backfired totally, so writes Kathrin Burger of the German leftist TAZ daily in a piece titled: Horror Scenarios Promote Depression.

Alarmism as a mental disorder

It can be convincingly argued that mental illness is indeed a chronic problem among many climate alarmists and their followers. Many are paranoid that a trace gas is causing a climate catastrophe. They even blame bad weather on the Co2 trace gas, with some even going so far as to blame earthquakes and war on the man-made CO2 molecules in the air. Seemingly educated scientists are obsessed with a coming climate catastrophe to the point where they even refuse to believe any data showing to the contrary.

http://notrickszone.com/2013/10/31/green-psychologists-confirm-climate-alarmists-are-making-themselves-mentally-sick-doomer-depression/#sthash.MKsBV772.dpuf
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September 24, 2016 6:19pm
- stigie
  
  Icarus:-
  
  You’ve just described the Labour Party
  
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  September 24, 2016 6:28pm
sooty

Sounds like bullshit to me. Well council candidates fliers found dumped in refuse bin. Chris Calv-Feeman found 1,000 of his election fliers in the bin of the man contracted to deliver them. There is a picture of Chris and Helene Ritchie in todays Dominion Post, with the offending bin at the curbside and in the rest of the photo there is not one of the local residents bins lining the street. It smells of creative journalisim. Tell the truth, plonkers.
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September 24, 2016 6:32pm
RF

I had an interesting conversation with someone very close to Greg Presland. He believes that he is a real great guy and popular with staff. The only downside was His tunnel vision with left wing politics.

I see he is standing in the forthcoming elections so it will be interesting to see if the local voters think he is worthy of their vote.

I have associated with him and he does not know my true identity. I must admit apart from him being a grumpy Bugger he comes across as being an OK guy as long as politics is not brought up.

God…. Did I just type that… I need a drink.
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September 24, 2016 6:45pm
wikiriwhis business

Rothschild Bank Now Under Criminal Investigation After Baron David De Rothschild Indictment

Last year, Baron David de Rothschild was indicted by the French government after he was accused of fraud in a scheme that allegedly embezzled large sums of money from British pensioners.

It has taken many years to bring this case against Rothschild and his company the Rothschild Financial Services Group, which trapped hundreds of pensioners in a bogus loan scheme between the years of 2005 and 2008.

One by one the pensioners lost their money and pressed charges against the notorious banker, beginning a case that would take many years to get even an indictment.

In June, Paris-based liaison judge Javier Gómez Bermudez ruled that Rothschild must face a trial for his crimes, and ordered local police to seek him out in his various mansions that are spread throughout the country.

“It is a good step in the right direction. The courts are now in agreement with us that there is enough evidence to interrogate Baron Rothschild. The first thing they will have to do is find him. Once they have done that they can begin to question him. It is a real breakthrough moment for everyone involved,” lawyer Antonio Flores of Lawbird told the Olive Press after the ruling.

“In short, independently of what happened to the investment, Rothschild advertised a loan aimed at reducing inheritance tax, which is a breach of tax law,” he added.

While news of a single Rothschild being indicted is certainly noteworthy, a particularly important announcement was made this Friday.

The French government announced that it has launched an investigation into the entire Swiss branch of the Rothschild’s banking empire.

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/rothschild-bank-criminal-investigation-baron-david-de-rothschild-idictment/#0sQEjrsxPPP7mHUg.99
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September 24, 2016 7:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @ wikiriwhis business
  
  That news about Rothschild’s indictment is from March 2016….
  what’s been happening since then?
  (and why can’t I find a reputable financial rag discussing this?)
  
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  September 24, 2016 7:53pm
  - Reid
    
    Well who owns the Economist, WSJ, FT, AP and Reuters Maggy?
    
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    September 24, 2016 7:59pm
  - Icarus
    
    Are you kidding Maggy ?
    
    You want to know why the ((((media)))) are not reporting on the (((((banks))))) corruption !
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:02pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I thought there were lots of “internationally recognised investigative journalists” who would have done an EXPOSE by now.
      
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      September 24, 2016 9:16pm
- Reid
  
  Thanks for that site wiki, hadn’t seen that one before.
  
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  September 24, 2016 7:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Icarus

Grow some Hemp….

New Zealand is in denial (phew , not just me, then)

Hemp sequesters carbon from the atmosphere
(as do liverworts and algal slimes))
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/84266734/Hemp-poised-to-take-off-as-New-Zealands-next-big-industry
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September 24, 2016 8:00pm
- Icarus
  
  I am okay with growing Hemp.
  
  We can’t let a few people like Griff ruin it for everybody. Most ~~wastes of space~~ hemp users are okay semi functional people.
  
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  September 24, 2016 8:51pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh, I’m not talking about smoking the stuff…
    
    It’s the fact that NZ & Oz are the only 2 countries that ban hemp seed as a food.
    
    I’m sure you could rustle up a nice hemp seed burger for Go Vege.
    
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    September 24, 2016 8:59pm
    - Icarus
      
      She needs a big hunk of meat to wrap her mouth around. She can have that in front of my coal fire on my big Snow Leopard skin rug. 🙂
      
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      September 24, 2016 9:05pm
      - GoVege
        
        I’ll stick with the hemp seed burger thanks Icarus.
        (Gotten over my recent wavering over staying vege.)
        If you keep the pussy cat people in their skins (not leopards though thanks), there’s no need for a coal or any kind of fire to keep you warm…
        
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        September 24, 2016 9:44pm
    - Jack5
      
      Maggy, I think hemp seed used to be in canary food, perhaps still is. No wonder they sang so well.
      
      Some say bird seed contains or contained “industrial hemp”, which they say is a different plant from marijuana.
      
      With your professional background you may explain to us. If not, perhaps Griff knows.
      
      If the plants are different, perhaps canaries might still like marijuana, in which case they might sing like jazz musicians.
      
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      September 24, 2016 9:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Industrial hemp and marijuana are both varieties of Cannabis sativa.
        Hemp has been selected for its high fibre content;
        marijuana for its high content of cannabinoids.
        
        The cannabis seed in bird seed mixes is from hemp plants…. I presume most bird seed mixes with hemp seed are imported into NZ and hence will have been subject to some type of recognised quarantine treatment (? irradiation; steam heating)
        
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        September 24, 2016 9:49pm
    - GoVege
      
      I’m willing to try that.
      
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      September 24, 2016 9:37pm
Jack5

Hell, Helen Clark will be coming home to NZ, Whale Oil warns us.

What to do with her? Governor-General? Nope she couldn’t keep her mouth shut about politics.

What then? A High Commissioner or an Ambassador?

No wonder John Key was working to get her the UN job.

A link to the Whale Oil report, where a commenter suggests Angelina Jolie’s UNHCR Special envoy job will quite likely be vacant soon and would suit Clark:

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/09/sorry-to-tell-you-but-auntie-helen-is-coming-home/
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September 24, 2016 9:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  what to do with her
  
  She’s 66 fgs.
  
  She could join the Women’s Institute; give talks to U3A; volunteer at the local Sallies 2nd hand store;
  go to Mah Jong mornings; deliver meals on wheels;
  comment on blogs…
  endless possibilities, really.
  
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  September 24, 2016 9:22pm
  - Jack5
    
    A big step down from would-be secretary of the UN to meals-on-wheels driver, Maggy.
    
    Given her record, she might get too many speeding tickets.
    
    Or, if an official job was required, perhaps Official Apologiser. Sorry for this, sorry for that. Remember the then Prime Minister humbling herself before a Samoan family over the sad, fatal incident when the power company cut off the juice in a misunderstanding over the bill.
    
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    September 24, 2016 9:26pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I just don’t get why all these old folks want to keep on working well past their use-by-date.
      
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      September 24, 2016 9:36pm
      - Jack5
        
        Maggy:
        
        My guess is that you are still working. I Googled you, and found this picture of you from seven years ago, and you look fit and active, and in better shape than Helen Clark.
        
        Regardless, it’s good to be able to read your comments on Kiwiblog. Long may they continue.
        
        http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/community-contribution/46406/maggy-wassilieff-writer-2006
        
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        September 24, 2016 9:56pm
      - sam green
        
        I’m sure you’re not passed your use by date Maggy. ?
        
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        September 24, 2016 10:05pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Jack 5
        
        Once my kids were earning their own dough, I couldn’t see the point of keeping on working.
        
        I gave up work very soon after that pic was taken.
        Took a couple more years to convince hubby to stop working also.
        
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        September 24, 2016 10:32pm
      - SPC
        
        You could note the number of Kiwis taking overseas holidays. Many are those who continue to work past 65 to afford these.
        
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        September 24, 2016 11:19pm
    - Jack5
      
      Re your 10.32 post, Maggy:
      
      Good on you. But it’s obvious that your brain is still hard at work.
      
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      September 24, 2016 10:58pm
SPC

Solidarity or leave. Brexit 2.

Corbyn easily defeats the challenge of his caucus critics as he wins an increased mandate from party members.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37461219
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September 24, 2016 11:15pm
- Manolo
  
  Excellent news. The split of the British Labour Party is about to happen.
  
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  September 25, 2016 7:56am
BeeSting

HANSON HANSON HANSON

One thing ALL YOU KIWIS BLOGGERS

should GET STRAIGHT about HANSON

She is the only Australian Politician who dares
to stand up for the rights of all Kiwis
of all races creeds and genders in Australia.

While your taxes fund the invasion of your own country – while you welcome everyone else

Just next door YOU ARE A SECOND CLASS
CITEZENs like scum

READ one Nation Policies on
Kiwis getting VOTING RIGHTs
before anyone dares to put the Boot into Hanson

This Bad joke they call …..
Multi Culturalism

DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU KIWI

anyone from anywhere else in the world
just has to stay their 4 years and they automatically
get AN AUS PASSPORT

You stay there SIX SAY SIX SAY SIX SAY SIX years

and the parasitic scum of the A T O
want capital gains tax on your NZ property

SO NO ONE DARE CRITICISE this Courageous Woman who I hear Rumour has it
DO YOUR RESEARCH
was imprisoned by
the dirty tricks of scum bag Abbot
funded by some dodgy chinese businessman

Pauline is the only person standing up for KIWIS
and AUSSIES in Australia

The rest of them are a bunch of corrupt incompetents except maybe

Bob Katter the Mad Hatter
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September 25, 2016 12:56am
- wiseowl
  
  Well I support Hanson.
  Watched an interview with her on Bolt the other night.
  I think her support will only grow in the current climate.
  
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  September 26, 2016 9:44am
BeeSting

http://www.onenation.com.au/policies/nz-citizenship

READ the ABOVE or BELOW

The rest of the useless over paid political Scum of
Australia do not even recognise there are what
500,000? tax paying Kiwis in their country propping up a corrupt regime that is holding the entire region back with backward policies and retarded economic management.

>>>
One Nation believes that the current unreasonable and discriminatory permanent blanket bans on access to Australian citizenship and government services for many New Zealanders should be replaced with reasonable and proportionate restrictions, such as waiting periods.
Australia’s current laws, introduced in 2001, put a stop to many New Zealanders applying for citizenship and accessing social security regardless of their length of residence. We have opened our borders and our hearts to people from all over the world offering them the opportunity to become Australian citizens, but not to our closest neighbours, our allies and our ANZAC mates.
This was not a bi-partisan agreement between Australia and New Zealand. The change has left many New Zealanders in Australia stuck between a rock and a hard place. They are working, paying their taxes, and raising families, but when hardship hits they cannot apply to receive help from our social security system. Many New Zealanders are then left homeless, destitute and desperate.
We believe Australians would open their hearts to our neighbours. Therefore, we are calling on the government to change the current laws.

ONE NATION PROPOSES
Amend citizenship and social security laws to include all New Zealand citizens who;
a. Arrived in Australia as a child; or
b. Has continuously resided in New Zealand for a total of 5 years as a New Zealand citizen.
This would make such people eligible for social security after the usual 2 year waiting period and eligible for citizenship after 4 years residence in Australia, which are the same conditions that apply for all other permanent migrants.
This would restore Russell Crowe’s eligibility for Australian citizenship. If Russell Crowe is good enough to be put on our Australian stamp as an Australian legend, then why deny him the right to become an Australian citizen if he so wishes.

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RUSSEL CROWE FOR PRESIDENT
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