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tom hunter

Target date remains September 11, +/- 2 days.

There was a lull for a few days that pushed it out, but we’re back up to the normal rate.
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September 1, 2016 8:03am
- Manolo
  
  What about, Tom?
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:05am
  - tom hunter
    
    Nothing serious. More sadly amusing than anything else, but I’ll wait until we’re closer. It has to do with Pete George.
    
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    September 1, 2016 8:08am
    - dime
      
      Now, that’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time. A long time. ..
      
      Oh, he’s not dead. Not yet…
      
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      September 1, 2016 10:21am
EAD

The exoneration of a man accused of the worst of crimes, genocide, made no headlines. Neither the BBC nor CNN covered it. The Guardian allowed a brief commentary. Such a rare official admission was buried or suppressed, understandably. It would explain too much about how the rulers of the world rule.

The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague has quietly cleared the late Serbian president, Slobodan Milosevic, of war crimes committed during the 1992-95 Bosnian war, including the massacre at Srebrenica.

http://johnpilger.com/articles/provoking-nuclear-war-by-media

Whilst Pilger is far too “left wing” for my liking, he is one of the few remaining dissenting journalists that shine a light on the corruption, duplicity, complicity and sheer stench of the press in the so called “free world”.

No coverage, no calls for “reparations”, no candlelit vigils, no puff piece documentaries if the narrative doesn’t suit the “agenda”.

This exhortation should be prime time news as it holds endless political implications for the peoples of Europe, but especially the Serbians. Oddly enough though, the people who decide what is news for the global MSM don’t seem to have noticed.

R.I.P. Slobodan Milosevic.

“And when they behead your own people in the wars, which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.” ~ Milosevic, speaking before the UN / NATO Kangaroo ‘war-crimes’ Court
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September 1, 2016 8:03am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD , being the first day of Spring why not a Roll Of Honour for Pol Pot or even Adolf ?
  
  I wonder if Pilger has graduated to Holocaust denial ?
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:14am
  - Yoza
    
    What, specifically, is wrong with Pilger’s version of events, stephieboy? The only ‘problem’ I can see is it challenges your Clinton fanboy sensibilities.
    
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    September 1, 2016 9:08am
- srylands
  
  I have not followed this closely but I thought the proceedings against Milosevic were concluded with his death. He was not exonerated.
  
  I have no time for Pilger. He sees conspiracies everywhere. He writes well. But his world view is about as appealing as that of Nicky Hager.
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:25am
  - Andrei
    
    No he has been exonerated – the decision of the ICTY has barely been reported in English – in part because it is so embarrassing to the Clintons
    
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    September 1, 2016 8:28am
    - srylands
      
      Bullshit. The Tribunal is if nothing else heavy on process. Post a link to a decision that ‘exonerates’ Milosevic.
      
      When I do a Google search on Milosevic and exonerated, I get a lot of hits on loony sites, starting with Russian ones.
      
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      September 1, 2016 8:39am
      - Andrei
        
        You can read the verdict for yourself .
        
        That will keep you busy for a few days 🙂
        
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        September 1, 2016 8:45am
    - srylands
      
      That link you posted was for the judgement of Radovan Karadžić – a totally different person. Wasn’t he found guilty and sentenced to 40 years in prison?
      
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      September 1, 2016 9:21am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Milosevic is basically a footnote to Karadzic’s verdict. His contribution to the slaughter (or rather, the level of contribution that could be proven) wasn’t worth a separate verdict.
        
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        September 1, 2016 10:42am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I guess it depends on your definition of “exonerated.” For my money, it doesn’t include situations where the court finds itself “not satisfied” that “sufficient evidence” of your guilt has been offered. That’s hardly a ringing endorsement.
      
      The fact that this murderous racist died in gaol is a good thing – it would be better if Bush and Blair had been his cellmates at the time, but you can’t win them all.
      
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      September 1, 2016 10:41am
    - stephen2d
      
      Milosevic has ordered the killings of many of his own people (opponents) that any “exoneration” is just an academic exercise, because for what he has caused and done with his wife, kids and groupies, he should have been executed publicly in Belgrade after they dug him out of his hole in his villa.
      
      But hey, let’s not blur your comrade’s Putin vision any more and ask ourselves why is his wife holed up in Moscow like a rat?
      
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      September 1, 2016 11:04am
  - EAD
    
    @ Srylands,
    
    Five years of prison – the last of his life – were agreed for up in high European and US headquarters, in utter disrespect for any form of justice and in the name of an act of abuse by means of which Yugoslavia has been torn apart and shattered to bits. And his death in prison took place in highly suspicious circumstances and blatantly inhuman conditions. Officially, he died from a heart attack. However, that came two weeks after the Court had denied him permission to be treated in Russia, as he had requested. The former Yugoslavian President died in his cell three days after his lawyer had managed to send a letter to the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in which he wrote he feared of being poisoned.
    
    The West is drowning in its own filth, along with those values it shamelessly claims everyday to be willing to protect.
    
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    September 1, 2016 9:08am
- Huevon
  
  Interesting. I don’t know anything about this conflict, so I will educate myself. Given that the Clintons and Tony Blair were involved, I suspect we were lied to on a criminal scale.
  
  It’s always fascinating when you have the scales from your eyes about political events. OT but I had this experience after living in Chile, acquiring the language and learning what happened there in the 70s ad 80s. Augusto Pinochet is nothing like the monster he has been painted to be. But that’s a story for another day…
  
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  September 1, 2016 9:06am
Manolo

The nutter Corbyn makes the headlines:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3767615/Shameless-Jeremy-Corbyn-denies-wrong-20-000-appearing-Iranian-state-TV-despite-country-s-abuse-LGBT-people.html
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September 1, 2016 8:03am
- Yoza
  
  YouGov: Labour leadership election: Corbyn leads Smith by 24 points
  
  “Jeremy Corbyn looks set to be easily returned as Labour leader next month, with a new survey of the Labour selectorate by YouGov finding 57% intend to vote for Corbyn, 35% for Owen Smith and 8% still undecided. Stripping out the don’t knows gives Corbyn a 24 point lead of 62% to Smith’s 38%. Corbyn received 59.5% of the vote at last year’s Labour leadership contest.
  
  Corbyn has majority support among all three groups of people that are eligible to vote in the leadership contest. Despite the Labour NEC’s decision to prevent members who had not been in the party for six months from voting, Corbyn is still the preferred choice of 52% of full members. Likewise, the £25 asking price to join as a registered supporter – allegedly designed to skew the contest in favour of Smith – has backfired, with 70% of registered supporters saying they will back Corbyn. Just over half (54%) of trade union affiliates also say they intend to vote for the current leader.”
  
  Heh!
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:10am
  - Manolo
    
    Oh yes, Corbyn is going to win the leadership battle, which is wonderful news, because comrade Jeremy is thoroughly unelectable.
    
    It gives the Tories another term, if not two.
    
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    September 1, 2016 8:14am
    - G152
      
      the seat is missing on that train.
      Corbyn lies exposed or is that sits lying
      
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      September 1, 2016 8:30am
Nukuleka

A policewoman in Toulouse was stabbed in the throat by a 31 year old man of Algerian descent, but there’s no need for panic, it is reported that he has a history of mental instability. Unurprisingly, the motive for the attack is ‘unclear’.
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September 1, 2016 8:05am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  One of the many “Mohamed made me do it.”
  
  Might as well be “the devil made me do it” – both are interchangeable.
  Can’t hep noticing – a massive amount of mentally unstable people coming from those countries who have that murderous religion.
  
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  September 1, 2016 11:00am
  - big bruv
    
    Don the Kiwi;
    Or as stupid as “the lord told me to do it” ?
    
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    September 1, 2016 12:07pm
Hugh Pavletich

NZ POLITICS DAILY: Politicians are failing on housing | Dr Bryce Edwards | The National Business Review

http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/nz-politics-daily-politicians-are-failing-housing

… extract …

… But (Greens co-leader) Turei’s latest stance has sparked a debate about whether politicians should indeed be attempting to reduce house prices. And many commentators have sided with the Greens. Possibly the strongest support came from The Press editorial, Of course house prices must come down.

One particular part of this is worth quoting at length: “All of this is obvious. It is therefore absurd that politicians continue to insist that they care about the housing crisis – while insisting equally forcefully that they will do nothing at all to lower prices. Prime Minister John Key’s commitment to the status quo is perhaps unsurprising. He has responded to extraordinary, socially-damaging house price rises in Auckland with boasts of the city’s success and a string of ineffectual, piecemeal policy responses. Labour leader Andrew Little claims to offer something bolder – a state-led house-building scheme and stricter tax treatment of investment property – but he is equally unbending on the question of price. His schemes include a certain proportion of houses with prices fixed at affordable levels – useful for those lucky enough to get them, but no replacement for cheaper housing across the board. If Little continues to defend absurd prices, no-one should be surprised if houses remain out of reach if he comes to power.”

Other editorial writers have agreed. This week the Sunday Star-Times’ Jonathan Milne says There’s only one answer to the housing bubble – gently deflate it. He points out that “as the big old parties encourage their middle New Zealand voters to roll about like Scrooge McDuck in their delusional wealth, there are voices on the fringes of politics that are starting to speak in unison.” He refers to Don Brash and former Reserve Bank chairman Arthur Grimes both proposing the need for prices to drop significantly.

There’s a public willingness for proper action on housing affordability, according to Dita De Boni, but the politicians aren’t willing to take action – see her column, Admission: I’d be happy if the value of my house dropped. She says cites UMR research showing that “60 per cent of Aucklanders (55 per cent of home owners) would prefer a drop in house prices over the year”.

Similarly, another poll shows that 84 per cent of Aucklanders believe – unlike the National Government – that we are in the midst of a “housing crisis” – see Toby Manhire’s One in three Aucklanders has recently considered quitting Auckland because of house prices – poll.

It appears that public sentiment has well and truly turned on the housing issue – and this is a point made by Frances Cook in her column, Voters refuse to be soothed by National’s stock lines on housing. … read more via hyperlink above …

Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ | Stuff.co.nz

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-keys-waterloo

Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Business | Newshub

http://www.newshub.co.nz/business/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable-2016080408
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September 1, 2016 8:08am
- cmm
  
  ” Turei’s latest stance has sparked a debate about whether politicians should indeed be attempting to reduce house prices.”
  
  So we want affordable housing but it must be the same price… Lefty logic.
  
  The thing to understand about Green is that their primary voter base are relatively wealthy people that want to virtue signal.
  
  Yes they want to say nice things about giving free stuff to the poor etc etc
  
  But no they don’t want their own house to devalue.
  
  That makes the idiotic Green stance rather appealing.
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:15am
- Keeping Stock
  
  You lost me at Dita De Boni Hugh. It’s hard to take any of the sickly liberal clap-trap she writes seriously.
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:31am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Some of PM John Keys sorry history of deliberate deception on housing issues … just some …
    
    … as he was stabbing Finance Minister Bill English in the back at the time of the major Government announcement on housing late October 2012 …
    
    Housing: Mr Key – Get on the Programme | Scoop News
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1212/S00041/housing-mr-key-get-on-the-programme.htm
    
    Soon after the 2008 election PM Key was still committed to sorting out the housing issue … when he had huge public support to do so …
    
    beehive.govt.nz – Bringing better balance to the housing market
    
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/bringing-better-balance-housing-market
    
    New Zealands Pragmatic Political Approach Welcome | Scoop News
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0903/S00467/new-zealands-pragmatic-political-approach-welcome.htm
    
    Now … Mr Key must pay the consequences for this sorry history of deception and non-performance.
    
    He did exactly the same to Labour in 07 and 08 … remember ?
    
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    September 1, 2016 8:40am
    - deadrightkev
      
      Hugh
      Hark at your down ticks. The sycophants are alive and well. Key is a fake and always was.
      
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      September 1, 2016 9:31am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        PM Key is a ‘product’ of the old ‘Mother’ Merrill Lynch culture … which was covered in Vanity Fair some years ago …
        
        The Blundering Herd | Vanity Fair
        
        http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2010/11/financial-crisis-excerpt-201011
        
        It just amazes me how inept John Keys Blundering Herd is … particularly on core National / Tory Party sorts of issues like housing.
        
        Allister Heath discussed these issuesin the UK Telegraph October last year …
        
        The real ticking time bomb for the Tories is home ownership – Telegraph
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/11917816/The-real-ticking-time-bomb-for-the-Tories-is-home-ownership.html
        
        It sure is baffling to be watching the sheer incompetence of PM John Key allowing the Labour Party and the Left generally to dominate with this issue. Why can’t Mr Key talk to the public like British PM Theresa May ? …
        
        Thereasa May’s first speech as Prime Minister … BBC
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDyZ8trge2E
        
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        September 1, 2016 10:01am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … and in the NZ Herald too …
  
  Political Roundup: Politicians are failing on housing
  
  http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11702330
  
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  September 1, 2016 9:05am
- starboard
  
  55% would prefer a drop in house prices…call absolute bullshit on that.
  
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  September 1, 2016 11:33am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Starboard … It is a pity you are not as ‘street smart’ as most of your fellow Kiwis … who have increasingly over the years, since the release of the first Demographia Survey early 2005 (access schedule http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org , better understood the critical difference of bubble and real wealth.
    
    The UMR and BNZ polls confirm this.
    
    They have figured out it is better to pay 3.0 times their annual income to house themselves, rather than the current 6.0 times in Christchurch and 10.0 times in Auckland. And of course be burdened with the grossly excessive mortgages that go with it.
    
    Housing inflation is in reality poverty creation … something I explained at length early 2008 within the first part of GETTING PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING IN PLACE …
    
    http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/performanceurbanplanning.html
    
    Catherine Harris of Fairfax NZ explained it exceptionally well within her March article this year … THE MISSING PIECE OF THE AUCKLAND HOUSING PUZZLE …
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/77529177/The-missing-piece-of-the-Auckland-housing-puzzle
    
    Access to affordable housing actually happens to be a basic human right. Get it ?
    
    But then you may support discrimination … slavery and apartheid. Do let us know why.
    
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    September 1, 2016 11:59am
Hugh Pavletich

… A DISGRACE PRIME MINISTERR JOHN KEY …

New Zealand tops IMF housing unaffordability list … Catherine Harris … Fairfax – Stuff NZ

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/83750475/nz-tops-imfs-housing-unaffordability-list

New Zealand’s housing unaffordability has reached another international high, in relation to how much we earn.

The International Monetary Fund’s quarterly global housing watch report shows that New Zealand outpaced 30 other of the world’s richest countries when house prices were compared with income during the first quarter of this year.

New Zealand hit nearly 130 points, topping an index which uses the year 2010 as its middle point. … read more via hyperlink above …
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September 1, 2016 8:10am
dave_c_

ps – Stephieboy seems to also have graduated !
To a new level of stupidity and obnoxiousness
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September 1, 2016 8:16am
- stephieboy
  
  dave c , what’s the basis for you maybe honouring the memory of Slobodan Milosevic ?
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:31am
Happychappy

What is Andrew Little going to say or advice ex Labour Party candidate Mrs Russell after she has sided with John Key over the way forward on tax on Multi Nationals
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September 1, 2016 8:20am
kowtow

Is there anything the long suffering tax payer can’t pay for?

“Public funding pays for three male-to-female and one female-to-male surgeries every two years, and they have to be performed overseas as there is no one in New Zealand who is able to carry out the procedures.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/50-year-wait-transgender-surgery
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September 1, 2016 8:25am
EAD

I’ve always enjoyed the influential blogger Stefan Molyneux.

Here in his latest video with a summary of what exactly the Alt – Right is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Wn0J0eC6I

Well worth the watch for anyone curious about this rising political force.
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September 1, 2016 8:26am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD, this response to the Stefan Molyneux video and your so called rising political force ,
  
  “Correct me if I’m wrong, so the alt-right is a branch that supports white nationalism, anti multiculturalism, antifeminism ? ”
  
  My I add antisemitism ?
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:40am
- emmess
  
  I watched this video last night.
  Don’t down tick just because EAD posted it.
  I am still struggling to understand exactly what the Alt-Right is but this video does give some good insights.
  One thing is clear though, it is not old style mainstream conservatism or white supremacism. It is something new but with deep roots.
  
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  September 1, 2016 9:26am
- Dave Mann
  
  Thanks for the link EAD…. I really enjoyed the interview and I learned a lot. Also I agree with emmess: don’t downtick this just because it comes from EAD (who shows an open mind).
  
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  September 1, 2016 1:16pm
Paulus

My wife who comes from a scientific background has pestered me to ask the following question re the Campylobacter outbreak in Havelock North.

“Why did not everybody in a household catch the disease – why did it only affect some of each family ?”

Please help !
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September 1, 2016 8:26am
- G152
  
  Maybe they weren’t greenies and protected them selves by only drinking treated water
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:33am
- holysheet
  
  I presume it’s like asking why doesn’t every person living in a house with a smoker get cancer?
  
  Not every one has the same genetic make up. Some are more prone to getting diseases than others.
  
  Not all would have consumed the same amount of water, at the same time. Maybe the person that got ill had a higher concentration of bacteria in the water they drank than any other family member?
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:34am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Not everyone in the family drinks water out of the tap. Some of them drink beer instead.
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:35am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Quite so Captain – and another reason why you should never add water to single malt whisky.
    
    The best advice I was ever given was that which my 98-year-old grandfather gave me when he said “Lad, the only thing you mix with whisky is more whisky”.
    
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    September 1, 2016 8:38am
    - WineOh
      
      The master-distillers would disagree- a few drops of water to high quality single malts improves the aromas, textures and flavours.
      
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      September 1, 2016 10:32am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Maybe some drink beer rather than water.
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:40am
- waikatogirl
  
  We live on tank water. I usually drink boiled water while hubby quaffs straight from the tap.
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:48am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Stomach acid kills them at a fairly high rate. If you start with enough that they breed faster than that rate, they become a problem. If you start with less they don’t. The amount of bacteria in any given glass of water will be random enough that some people get sick and some don’t.
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:53am
VicParking

Phil Goff interviewed on Red radio on paying living wage to Auckland Council staff. ” My people have done the calculations”. Did the radio ask him the question “Did you factor in the relativity costs.”
Im sure the supervisor on $22 and hour is going to love their staff getting a $4 an hour pay rise.
“A little over $4 million” he’s dreaming
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September 1, 2016 8:42am
- Sideoiler
  
  I heard the interview this morning VicParking and wondered, who are “My people ” and more importantly where did the money to pay them come from?
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:51am
- sooty
  
  Goof, nose in the public trough all his life. All he wants is to spend other peoples money!
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:52pm
pdm

Paulus 8.26am.

Your wife poses a good question.

My daughter was laid low for about 4 days losing about 8kgs. Her son aged 14 had a day of it but husband plus two daughters who live at home were completely free of it.
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September 1, 2016 8:45am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  2kg per day – 70 000 odd kilojoules of food energy plus per day. One kilo every 12 hours, yeah ?
  I’m sorry but eight kilos of pure stored bodyfat loss in four days sounds very incorrect.
  (Impolite version – it sounds like complete bollocks) Even in weight loss free fall eh – yeah, nah. Go on – what’s next ? I’ll argue all day about this nonsense.
  
  I’ve urinated as much as five litres overnight on rare occasions – wasn’t bodyfat. Wasn’t sick. If you’re sick and stop eating / drinking and system is emptying out – sure – could lose water weight and some actual bodyfat. I think my record was a reading of about 86-88kg and it crashed back down to 81kg *overnight*. Wasn’t sick. It was likely a million cups of tea and kilos of veg.
  
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  September 2, 2016 3:22am
LisaGinNZ

If you want to listen to Trump’s speech at the podium standing next to the president of Mexico here is a link: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/08/31/u-s-media-apoplectic-because-donald-trump-meeting-pena-neito-privately/comment-page-4/#comment-2887049

Mexico has STRONG immigration law for their OWN country. The USA needs the same: enforce current law and expel all illegals.

“Having a secure border is a sovereign right…” – Donald Trump
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September 1, 2016 8:55am
- stephieboy
  
  One thing is for sure I bet the Mexcian government did not agree to pay for Trump’s preposterous 1900 mile” ten feet taller ” border wall,
  
  http://www.wsj.com/video/trump-mexico-wall-just-got-10-feet-taller/2B30ADED-A83F-4794-9A4E-E59DA667CED9.html
  
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  September 1, 2016 9:01am
  - LisaGinNZ
    
    It was a preliminary discussion. Mr. Trump is not potus yet. “Paying for the wall” is a fun topic though isn’t it. I suppose NZ would be thrilled with 100s or 1000s of illegals streaming in on the beach demanding free houses, food and stuff.
    
    Or should any country even have a border?
    
    Paying for a border wall is “easy” when there is a will to do it. Look at DJT’s website for his proposals for the answer… or continue spewing leftist dribble.
    
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    September 1, 2016 9:24am
    - stephieboy
      
      When there is the ” will ” do it ? Hmmm… !
      
      Trump would more productively consider dumping his stupid idea of 45 % tariffs which would seriously hurt economies like Mexico’s and encourage even more illegals and look at a free trade deal a potential win , win for both sides .
      
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      September 1, 2016 9:30am
      - All_on_Red
        
        If you don’t realise that,that is a negotiating position, then you are an idiot, oh wait…
        
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        September 1, 2016 12:03pm
stephieboy

Andrei at 8.45am , who are we discussing ? Radovan Karadzic, whom your link refers ? ( but not Slobodan Milosevic )
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September 1, 2016 8:57am
- stephen2d
  
  ICTY in The Hague is a political court, nothing else. If it wasn’t, they all would have been condemned – including muslim leaders in Bosnia, Croats and Serbs – not just (mostly) one side.
  
  But you know that, you have your blinkers on, just like Andrei has his.
  
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  September 1, 2016 11:07am
srylands

A good example of shoddy New Zealand media. This article raises safety concerns about Air New Zealand 787s. It follows reports of cracking in the turbine blades of the engines in the same planes operated by Japanese airline ANA.

The article reports that ANA had such concerns that it had decided to replace the engines on all 100 of its 787s. The inference is that Air New Zealand is reckless not doing the same.

Now that would be a huge issue. Replacing all the engines would cost ANA about $ 8 billion US. It would signal a major safety concern.

So I checked international media. They correctly report that ANA is replacing the engine turbine BLADES. Under warranty by Rolls Royce. The problem seems to relate to the way ANA operates the aircraft on short haul routes. So there is an issue and it needs to be taken seriously. But it is nothing like reported on Stuff. Their article is totally useless.

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/83740918/Air-NZ-Dreamliners-use-same-engines-as-Japanese-jets-grounded-due-to-cracks
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September 1, 2016 8:59am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  replacing turbine blades on 200 engines does not cost $8 billion. 200 complete engines would only cost around $2 billion. It will likely only be 1 or maybe 2 rows of blades up to 5-6 disks). Perhaps up to 100 blades, which cost at max a few $1000’s each. More likely to cost on the order of 1 million per engine. Expensive, but not that big a deal.
  
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  September 1, 2016 4:00pm
calendar girl

There are times when I despair of our Courts being able to impose sensible sentences for everyday crimes: http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/83748905/91000-benefit-fraud-debt-will-take-taranaki-man-350-years-to-pay-back

This character is convicted of defrauding the state of $91,000. He’s sentenced to 10 months home detention, and required to repay his ‘proceeds of crime’ at $5 per week. He’s 58, and at $260 per year that will take 350 years – without any interest being met on the outstanding debt.

As a long-suffering tax payer, I’m appalled. But we have all become very familiar with such Court-imposed injustices. So many judges, on comfortable incomes and pensions, but so far out of touch with reality.
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September 1, 2016 9:10am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Once he turns 65, they should at least take the difference between the super amount and the unemployment benefit.
  
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  September 1, 2016 9:34am
Hajji

Good morning stephieboy and assorted nutters.

Beautiful global warming day today. Milford Beach was like glass with piper leaping out of the sea.
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September 1, 2016 9:14am
- kowtow
  
  Any “youths” there to disturb the peace ? And by “youth” we all know who , innit.
  
  “But the scene soon turned ugly when the teens reportedly began staring and behaving ‘provocatively’ around some of the naked women.”
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3767659/Mass-naked-brawl-French-nudist-beach-group-youths-refused-strip-stared-unclothed-sunbathers.html
  
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  September 1, 2016 9:26am
  - Longknives
    
    Kowtow- Various websites are reporting that the ‘Youths’ who attacked the Nudists on their Beach are ‘Recent Arrivals’ in France..
    Who could have imagined ten Mentally ill ‘Lone Wolves’ would all be on the same Beach together at the same time?
    
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    September 1, 2016 9:47am
- Griff
  
  Peace be upon you hajji
  I see you still have great deal of problem with the word global.
  May I suggest a course in English at your local secondary school may help.
  As to nutters
  yip we have lots
  Many who seem to think the worlds scientific body’s are in a global conspiracy to fake global warming .
  Seems that the worlds insurance industry is on on the scam
  Insurers call on G20 to phase out fossil fuel subsidies by 2020
  
  OSLO (Reuters) – Insurers with $1.2 trillion under management called on Tuesday for the Group of 20 to set a timetable to phase out subsidies for fossil fuels by 2020 when they meet at a summit in China this weekend.
  
  Aviva, Aegon NV and MS Amlin said fossil fuel subsidies were at odds with commitments by G20 nations to combat global warming agreed by almost 200 countries last year at a Paris summit.
  
  “Climate change in particular represents the mother of all risks,” Aviva CEO Mark Wilson said in a statement.
  
  The companies called on the G20 leaders, who meet in the Chinese city of Hangzhou on Sept. 4-5, to set “a clear timeline for the full and equitable phase-out by all G20 members of all fossil fuel subsidies by 2020”.
  
  A phase-out should start with the elimination of all subsidies for fossil fuel exploration and coal production, they said. Their statement was also signed by the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries and UK-based energy firm Open Energi.
  
  http://www.businessinsider.com/r-insurers-call-on-g20-to-phase-out-fossil-fuel-subsidies-by-2020-2016-8?IR=T
  The nutters include you .
  
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  September 1, 2016 9:32am
dave_c_

And we think we have some stupid by-laws and regulations !
A Florida Judge Rules that front yard vegetable gardens are illegal
Ruled on the basis of ‘maintaining aesthetics’ is more important than allowing a landowner to manage his land as he sees fit.
I guess this is what happens with fruit loops are in charge. Or worse still – dictatorial powers wanting to further control every aspect of our lives.
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September 1, 2016 9:15am
- Keeping Stock
  
  After the presidential election it will all be OK dave_c_; you’ll be allowed to grow vegetables in your front yard, but 25% of all produce will have to be sent to the Clinton Foundation 😀
  
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  September 1, 2016 9:21am
  - deadrightkev
    
    Sounds illogical and irrational? Under the TPPA that level of corruption is a very distinct possibility.
    
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    September 1, 2016 9:37am
dave_c_

Here we go – Obama et al attacking the second amendment.
Obama ATF Announces backdoor ammo ban.

The Obama administration just implemented a new regulatory change that has sent the entire firearms industry into a tailspin overnight.

A key ingredient necessary for making gunpowder has been re-classified as a high explosive, making it illegal for any company within the industry to transport or store it as they have for decades.
Overnight, the ATF just completely changed its regulations, turning everyone in the ammunition industry into felons if they do business the way they have for decades.
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September 1, 2016 9:27am
- mikenmild
  
  They’re coming fer yer guns!!!!
  
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  September 1, 2016 9:31am
- Griff
  
  Here dave c this is the effect of a nitro cellulose accident.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1q3HwB0y0
  If you think insuring the safe storage or transport of the compound is some commie plot to steel ya guns you really are deluded .
  
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  September 1, 2016 9:52am
  - dave_c_
    
    So Griff, if this stuff is seriously dangerous, why has it taken ‘decades’ to realise it, and just coincidently come under scrutiny right now ?
    You must think everyone but yourself is stupid. We’re not.
    
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    September 1, 2016 9:57am
    - mikenmild
      
      It’s no coincidence. It’s a preliminary to Obama declaring martial law to remain in office.
      
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      September 1, 2016 10:05am
      - dave_c_
        
        Milkenmaid – unless you are taking the mickey, you are spot on.
        
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        September 1, 2016 10:14am
    - Griff
      
      Yes I think many on here are stupid.
      You have giving me more than enough evidence to prove your stupidity beyond doubt.
      That accident in china was the result of exploding nitro cellulose in a train in 2015 .
      Strikingly that has resulted in reevaluating such transport risks around the globe.
      You on the other hand are trying to make approaches to the handling of explosives an issue around gun rights .
      Like a good 2nd wonk always will
      Get ready for your time in a fema internment camp whacko .
      
      ATF’s June 2016 Explosives Industry Newsletter included a brief discussion of Nitrocellulose, and attempted to clarify the circumstances under which wetted Nitrocellulose is considered a high explosive under 27 CFR, Part 555. As with all explosives, ATF’s focus is on the potential public safety risks associated with materials that can be misused or diverted to unlawful purposes. Subsequent contact from industry members who import, transport, store or employ wetted Nitrocellulose in the production of ammunition, however, has brought to our attention issues that were not fully addressed in the Newsletter and require further consultation and consideration with the industry. Accordingly, ATF has and will conduct further industry outreach concerning wetted Nitrocellulose. In the interim, previously authorized industry practices concerning wetted Nitrocellulose will not be affected.
      
      https://www.atf.gov/explosives/download-federal-explosives-industry-newsletters
      
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      September 1, 2016 10:20am
      - dave_c_
        
        Perhaps you fail to comprehend an underlying reason – This may well increase the price of ammunition to a point of over overall reduction in sales. Ergo – chipping away at the mountain. A bit like the continuous increase in cigarette prices.
        
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        September 1, 2016 11:21am
      - Griff
        
        Yip dave double down maty
        This is you
        
        A key ingredient necessary for making gunpowder has been re-classified as a high explosive, making it illegal for any company within the industry to transport or store it as they have for decades.
        
        Gun powder is sulfur, carbon and saltpeter .
        I was caught making some as an eight year old . Knowledge of such things is at a basic level if you are not stupid .
        Smokeless powder is not gun powder it is the modern equivalence that is far better for use as a propellant in fire arms .
        The ATF’s release took me a few seconds to google as the gunpowder mistake set of my alarm bells for a load of bullshit.
        Nitro cellulose has always been rated as an explosive. They have to keep it wet as if it dries it is extremely unstable.
        You on the other hand go to wacko webshites and report their garbage like a uncritical kiddy would.
        You have now changed to it is going to increase the price soo much.
        Gibbering on about a non issue you were misdirected on at the start in an effort to save some face after it being so easy to discredit your nonsense
        
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        September 1, 2016 12:15pm
      - Sideoiler
        
        That accident in china was the result of exploding nitro cellulose in a train in 2015.
        
        I found this article, but no mention of nitrocellulose.
        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-33844084
        
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        September 1, 2016 1:15pm
      - Griff
        
        http://cen.acs.org/articles/94/web/2016/02/Chinese-Investigators-Identify-Cause-Tianjin.html?type=paidArticleContent
        
        Chinese Investigators Identify Cause Of Tianjin Explosion
        Safety: Investigators make recommendations, spread blame around
        
        A new report by China’s top governing body identifies the cause of an explosion at a hazardous goods warehouse in Tianjin’s harbor in August of 2015. The catastrophe killed 165 people.
        
        Assigning responsibility far and wide, investigators blamed the disaster on the negligence or corruption of 123 people in addition to the 49 previously arrested.
        
        The immediate cause of the accident was the spontaneous ignition of overly dry nitrocellulose stored in a container that overheated, . . .
        
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        September 1, 2016 1:30pm
      - Sideoiler
        
        ATF’s June 2016 Explosives Industry Newsletter included a brief discussion of Nitrocellulose,
        and attempted to clarify the circumstances under which wetted Nitrocellulose is considered a
        high explosive under 27 CFR, Part 555. As with all explosives, ATF’s focus is on the potential
        public safety risks associated with materials that can be misused or diverted to unlawful
        purposes. Subsequent contact from industry members who import, transport, store or employ
        wetted Nitrocellulose in the production of ammunition, however, has brought to our attention
        issues that were not fully addressed in the Newsletter and require further consultation and
        consideration with the industry. Accordingly, ATF has and will conduct further industry
        outreach concerning wetted Nitrocellulose. In the interim, previously authorized industry
        practices concerning wetted Nitrocellulose will not be affected.
        
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        September 1, 2016 8:29pm
- Inandout
  
  Dumbama appears to be like the President in ‘House of Cards’ ; easily influenced. Whoever is leading Obama into these disastrous decisions should be sacked.
  
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  September 1, 2016 9:53am
- stephieboy
  
  dave c , it would be really most helpful if you sourced /linked this alleged so called ” backdoor ammo ban.”
  
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  September 1, 2016 11:04am
  - Sideoiler
    
    Try here Stephieboy.
    https://www.atf.gov/file/106536/download
    Under the heading nitrocellulose.
    
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    September 1, 2016 11:18am
deadrightkev

Trump meets Mexican president. No one thought he would accept the invitation but of course he would and he showed why he will be a great president.

Trump is already more of a leader and uniter than dumb Barry and crooked Hillary and he is not even elected.
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September 1, 2016 9:36am
- mikenmild
  
  Could you expand on the report that Trump said he would ‘improve’ NAFTA?
  
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  September 1, 2016 10:11am
- stephieboy
  
  drk, you think Trump clinched a deal whereby Mexico agreed to pay for his wall ?
  
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  September 1, 2016 11:07am
Paulus Gnome

Four minutes of video (courtesy of WO) which will remind you why we congregate here explained in simple terms; a must for the resident trolls.

https://youtu.be/l3GfCmbPDN0

No computer wiz me, so skip the ad as well as the sidebar tempters than can sneakily take two hours of your day.
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September 1, 2016 9:38am
dave_c_

And many would have us believe that our NZ politicians are lilly white compared to the rest of the world.
“David Cameron’s final shameless scam: Political allies get 25% pay rise”
Don’t tell me this sort of partisan benevolence does not occur in NZ
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September 1, 2016 9:54am
dave_c_

I believe this is a ‘must read’ for all Facebook users.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-31/facebook-just-got-whole-lot-creepier

If you feel inclined to down-tick, that is your perogative, but in my view, this goes to the heart of the larger ‘internet privacy debate’, and crosses the line.
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September 1, 2016 10:09am
- dime
  
  been happening for years. i have people pop up who i barely know. like i may have txt once to organise a meeting overseas etc
  
  also, i reported you by mistake. meant to hit the reply button. doh.
  
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  September 1, 2016 10:26am
  - Colville
    
    dime, spot on.
    I texted an agent yesterday and this morning she is on FB looking at me.
    Its creepy.
    
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    September 1, 2016 10:38am
- Inandout
  
  It is sad to see how many young mothers use FB as a ‘look at me, look at baby’ vehicle. I have a niece who seems to post photos almost hourly. Personal diaries used to record a person’s inner feelings, but now the whole world can tune in. If FB ceased to exist the GPs waiting rooms would be full of patients enduring withdrawal symptoms, but the mental health of the nation would eventually improve.
  
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  September 1, 2016 10:34am
  - starboard
    
    Am I the only one not on Facebook ?
    
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    September 1, 2016 11:39am
    - mikenmild
      
      Maybe, most pensioners get the hang of it after a while.
      
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      September 1, 2016 11:40am
      - starboard
        
        I know ya Mums on it MM
        
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        September 1, 2016 12:45pm
    - Paulus
      
      I am not on any social pages – what I do is my business.
      And I am a pensioner who has been familiar with computers since the late 1960s.
      
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      September 1, 2016 1:40pm
dime

Has Hillary Clinton made her one public appearance for the week yet?

If so, do we know if she managed to stand up, without help, for the entire time?

any sizures? weird facial ticks? outbursts of anger?
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September 1, 2016 10:23am
Manolo

The state of the race: Clinton vs Trump.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/31/fox-news-poll-trump-narrows-clintons-lead.html
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September 1, 2016 10:34am
Stars And Stripes

What it’s like to be a sex toy tester
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11702425

“”One of the strangest things I’ve seen is a twerking butt,” she said.
“It’s basically a male masturbator with controls and thrusts up and down.”

I am sure someone on KB could offer some more insights on this topic after some of the conversations I have seen.
Mikenmild maybe?.
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September 1, 2016 10:36am
- mikenmild
  
  Seems to me that you might be the one interested in this.
  
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  September 1, 2016 10:39am
- Griff
  
  I think you should be asking are resident homo obsessed squad not mike.
  Starboard and Harriet seem to have the inside knowledge on butt sex .
  
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  September 1, 2016 10:40am
  - starboard
    
    Bawhhahahhaa…good one gwiff…not. Go have another toke…
    
    MM knows all about it..he’s the one with a the rubber bum and oil pack.
    
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    September 1, 2016 11:41am
    - mikenmild
      
      Always nice to hear you are keeping up with your hobbies.
      
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      September 1, 2016 11:42am
Dave Mann

Mitch Harris is very good on Radiolive this morning… but he’s had a couple of eco farts on freaking out about declining crayfish and whitebait stocks. The trend seems to be towards ‘mankind is ruining the the planet’

I can’t phone in because I’ve got the flu, otherwise I would…. has anybody got a counter argument to offer? 😀
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September 1, 2016 10:38am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  But some of the objectors to the Rongotai runway extension said that it would interfere with the lucrative cray fishing grounds to the south of the airport.
  
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  September 1, 2016 12:19pm
dave_c_

Dictatorship, and “You will ‘integrate’, include’, and ‘not offend anyone’ ”

On August 29th, 2016 Travellers Rest High School in South Carolina, The principal Lou Lavely banned students from carrying American flags into a football game against Berega High School, because a lot of students at Berega are Hispanic. Lavely contends the American flag could have been used to taunt those students.

The Commie principal further states “This decision would be made anytime that the American flag, or any other symbol, sign, cheer, or action on the part of our fans would
potentially compromise the safety of all in attendance at a school event”

I wonder how long it is before we see the equivalent sentiment being espoused in this country ?
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September 1, 2016 10:41am
- Gabby
  
  Why would you take a yanker flag to a harskul fitbowl game?
  
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  September 1, 2016 6:31pm
Manolo

Rugby joke for Bruv and Longknives:
Last Sunday morning, see, a Kiwi bloke is walking along Wai Kikamoocow beach when he comes upon a curiously shaped lamp. Picking it up he gives it a rub and out comes a genie!

“I am the genie of the lamp,” says the genie in a heavy old Persian accent, “and I can grant you one wish.”

Straight away, the Kiwi bloke says, “I want to live forever”.

“Can’t do that,” says the Genie, “it’s against Genie rules. You’ll have to choose again.”

The Kiwi thinks for a moment, then says, “I want to live until the Wallabies next win the Bledisloe Cup”.

The Genie glares, raises his right eyebrow and says, “Smart bastard, eh?”
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September 1, 2016 10:54am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  And to add grist to that mill it appears that the citing commissioner did get it right on the supposed Franks eye gouge.
  
  http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11702420
  
  Even the supposed victim didn’t think there was an issue.
  
  Boy that will spoil some peoples narratives…
  
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  September 1, 2016 12:50pm
Jack5

Great talk on Radio NZ Labour Programme this morning. An interview with scientist Raymond McCauley. It was enlightening on the genetic engineering future that is about to burst upon us all.

In agriculture, meat without animals and dairy products without cows are on the horizon. From the perspective of an agriculture nation this is exciting as a huge oil discovery or finding we have diamonds or vast, previously unsuspected gold reefs.

How sad NZ has become. Long at the forefront of agriculture science, and up front in forestry science, we are now under the thumb of Green luddites.

What of our agriculture universities, which a nation with an average IQ above 98 would see should be the basis of our full participation in the biotechnology revolution that is about to break out?

Lincoln seems near broke and even its survival is talked about. Green courses have taken the place of some agriculture subjects. Massey has become a centre of humanitarian subjects like sociology, and has become the theoretical centre of NZ multiculturism – the Nuremberg of NZ multiculturism, if that’s not taking a fanaticism parallel too far.

Sadly, NZ could miss the bus for this great new agriculture journey.
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September 1, 2016 10:54am
- Reid
  
  It’s an interesting question isn’t it Jack: what to do with it.
  
  It scares me that we release organisms without full understanding of the mutation’s effects several hundred generations later. So because people can’t delay their ROI for that long we release them. That’s scary.
  
  But you’re right, we need to be in it, in a much bigger way than we are. Which is yet another black mark for Key, because establishing the educational infrastructure that would make us a world leader can’t and won’t be done by “the market” and clearly Key is either stupid because he thinks it will be or he hasn’t even thought about doing it in the first place.
  
  Plain dumb, especially when to understand how to make it successful you simply need to ask the architects of the Celtic Tiger for their design and improve it. And before anyone conflates that with what happened to their economy in 2008, the two are unrelated.
  
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  September 1, 2016 11:43am
Stars And Stripes

Indigenous people in prison – can the vicious cycle be broken?
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201814285/indigenous-people-in-prison-can-the-vicious-cycle-be-broken

The Canadian Justice Minister is in NZ currently for a little love in with Amy Adams on reducing native imprisonment rates.
Anyway lots of waffle in the article as you would expect but one quote did stand out for special mention:
“Other methods of lowering the rate of Canadian indigenous imprisonment included plans to support indigenous community empowerment – and install culturally appropriate training programmes for members of the justice system.”

Sounds like all white Western governments are singing off the same hymn sheet.
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September 1, 2016 11:02am
Manolo

The crook complains:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-hits-trump-dropping-mexico/story?id=41773006

Hillary Clinton today used her first public event in nearly a week to bash Donald Trump for “dropping in” on Mexico, saying building relationships takes more than “a photo op.”
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September 1, 2016 11:03am
- stephieboy
  
  Fail to see what Hillary said was wrong . As suggested above did Trump clinch a deal with Mexico to pay for his border wall ?
  
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  September 1, 2016 11:12am
  - dave_c_
    
    You have no idea what was discussed – stop fomenting misleading inferences.
    
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    September 1, 2016 11:31am
    - stephieboy
      
      Oh dear ? Misleading Inferences ? You now think that the wall was not a cornerstone of Trunp’s campaign or do you believe he was being insincere ?
      
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      September 1, 2016 12:14pm
Manolo

Welcome to Italy, third-world country:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3766917/10-000-migrants-rescued-Med-three-days-refugees-race-against-clock-reach-Europe-calm-weather-summer-ends.html

Improved weather is said to have triggered this week’s mass outflow that has seen more than 10,000 migrants rescued since Sunday from floundering boats.
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September 1, 2016 11:13am
- Jack5
  
  The refugee invasion must make Italy susceptible to a takeover by extremists of the Right or Left.
  
  Merkel the Mad and the do-gooders who have welcomed the refugee invasion are starting events that could end democracy in several West European countries.
  
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  September 1, 2016 11:21am
  - kowtow
    
    By sending boats to “rescue” the illegal immigrants , they are only encouraging the hundreds of thousands to continue to come. It will never end. And many more thousands will drown.
    How is it that such “wise” leaders in Europe as Merkel etc don’t or can’t see that?
    There is a massive world wide problem here , people like Trump and Abbott get it . But the media hate them , describe them as extreme .Who’s side are the media on? What is extreme about protecting your borders and budgets?
    
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    September 1, 2016 11:56am
    - mikenmild
      
      Really, sinking all the boats and making sure there are no survivors is the only proper way to stop this refugee crisis.
      
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      September 1, 2016 12:02pm
      - tom hunter
        
        If that was true the government policy of the most recent Australian Labor government should have been a huge success, since they enabled the drowning hundreds of men, woman and children.
        
        All brown too. Racists!
        
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        September 1, 2016 12:24pm
    - Paulus
      
      It was reported yesterday that over 250,000 boat migrants, principally from Eritrea are waiting for boats in Libya at present.
      It is expected that many many more will follow.
      
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      September 1, 2016 1:44pm
mikenmild

I see we had a relatively this week. An asteroid large enough to do as much damage as the 1908 Tunguska explosion passed very close to Earth. Only sighted hours before, too.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/83782338/asteroid-shaves-earth-hours-after-astronomers-spotted-the-space-rock
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September 1, 2016 11:24am
- dave_c_
  
  lol – ‘Nothing to see’ – move on
  
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  September 1, 2016 11:30am
Manolo

The perv is being investigated:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-child-welfare-agency-opens-investigation-of-anthony-weiner-1472679463?mod=e2tw

New York City’s child-welfare agency has opened an investigation into former U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner after he allegedly sent a lewd photo of himself lying next to his son over the internet, a city official said Wednesday.

The Administration for Children’s Services is looking into the behavior of Mr. Weiner and his interactions with his 4-year-old son, Jordan, according to the city official.
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September 1, 2016 11:35am
- Reid
  
  Huma’s marriage to this guy is strikingly similar to Killary’s marriage to Bill.
  
  You’re a lesbian and you need cover because you’re in politics. So you search round for a guy interested in a sham marriage…
  
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  September 1, 2016 11:47am
  - stephieboy
    
    Says one who is into all kind of crazy conspiracies which could include documenting with evidence and facts the Clinton body back count ?
    
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    September 1, 2016 12:18pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What about the other much more accurate example closer to home?
    
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    September 1, 2016 1:11pm
    - holysheet
      
      you mean our ex PM, now the bridesmaid at the UN?
      
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      September 1, 2016 4:00pm
Reid

I really like this blog, he puts up a lot of useful stuff with posts that normally have a dozen or so links you can drill into if you like: here’s the current sample:

“Zionist-Wahabbi Axis: Israel’s natural alliance with Al-Nusra”. Yinon.

It is hilarious that the United States government has actual official offices to promote the violent racist goals of violent racist group supremacists, staffed with blood-pouring-from-the-fangs monsters out of a Nazi cartoon.

“The Sad Decline of VOX: How a Once-Promising Media Outlet Became a Bastion of Neoliberal Corporatism”. My only problem with this is that it assumes somebody takes Vox seriously, which is untrue.

“Statistics Canada celebrates ‘best census since 1666′”

“Could Christian Zionism explain Green Party leader’s threats to resign?”. Unlikely, as environmentalists don’t tend to be religious fruitcakes (the standard fruitcake position is that we don’t have to worry about our dominion over the environment as God wants us to pollute). I think she has a ‘donor’ problem.

“Charity Watch and Clinton Foundation”. A scam charity which piggybacks off the real charitable work of others.

“Hillary and the Clinton Foundation: Exemplars of America’s Political Rot”. Note Huma’s Saudi connections. Can you imagine what the press would be saying if Trump employed a pimp with that kind of background?

“Former Bush adviser Wolfowitz to vote for Clinton: Spiegel”

“How the Trumps Got Rich”

“What Syria’s Kurds “Think” They are Fighting For Versus Reality”. It is possible that American support for the Kurds was intended to provoke a Turkish anti-Kurd invasion, as part of the Jew-directed general Yinon plan for Syria.

“In the Shadow of the CIA: Liberalism’s Big Embarrassing Moment”. It shouldn’t be surprising at all that the American ‘left’ is entirely the creation and stooge of the CIA.

http://xymphora.blogspot.co.nz
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September 1, 2016 12:13pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , of course, xymphora would not be a blog spot without some comment about those evil nefarious Jews ,
  
  http://xymphora.blogspot.co.nz/2012/05/johan-galtung-more-amazement.html
  
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  September 1, 2016 12:24pm
- LisaGinNZ
  
  Lotta propaganda there (thanks but no)…
  
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  September 1, 2016 3:46pm
Manolo

Clinton’s email problem
http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/31/read-a-classified-email-hillary-clinton
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September 1, 2016 1:00pm
SPC

Ms Tolley is taking a plan to cabinet which says all social workers must have a university-level qualification and be registered.

Effectively she is asking NGO’s for $2000 to register each social worker (placing funding pressure on their work) and ending the careers of those without a tertiary education – meaning a shortage of workers until tertiary qualified replacements take over (a boom and then bust in tertiary education).

She should be proposing the continuance of vetted and registered social workers, with new workers requiring a tertiary education. Someone in her ministry should be providing better advice.

Ms Tolley says it will be “a bit hard on some of those great people who work in the social sector who are never going to be qualified – but that it’s a small price to pay”.

Why pay it, improve your plan. Doh.
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September 1, 2016 1:31pm
- Paulus
  
  I was amazed at the numbers of Social workers and even more amazed at the number with no qualifications.
  It seems that anybody can call themselves a Social Worker to any job where somebody (Taxpayers via an NGO) can pay them.
  Without looking the figures up I believe it was 48,000 with 9,000 odd had any qualification.
  What do they all do and who pays them ?
  
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  September 1, 2016 1:51pm
  - SPC
    
    Government is the biggest employer of social workers – Child, Youth and Family is the biggest employer of social workers in New Zealand with 27% of social workers (most, but not all registered). The district health boards employ another 25% (required to be registered). Of the others – c 18,000, only 6000 are registered. Only 5000 of the 12,000 not registered have tertiary education.
    
    At the moment the chances of employment are good for experienced social workers, but only moderate for those with tertiary training and no experience. Employers valuing experience, and the minister prepared to force them to lay off competent staff via the tertiary qualification test (can take 4-6 years supposedly, maybe that includes masters).
    
    It would be smarter to require newly employed staff to be qualified, and allow existing employees to be vetted for registration based on experience equivalent to qualification.
    
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    September 1, 2016 2:16pm
    - SPC
      
      The social work degree takes 4 years. Graduates in other majors can do a two year masters to also qualify.
      
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      September 1, 2016 2:25pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      There’s no excuse for social workers not to hold some basic qualifications.
      Massey Uni has been offering papers extra-murally in Social Work since 1976.
      Tons of time for folks to have upskilled.
      
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      September 1, 2016 4:01pm
      - SPC
        
        Sort of – but during that time there was no requirement to be qualified, except for DHB and to a degree for Child, Youth and Family.
        
        And it does take 12 years part-time – 1/3rd of a full-time course per year to do the social work degree. Possibly 8 years if they did it all 3 semesters. And for those with degrees – 6 years or 4 years for the social work professional masters.
        
        And not all of those competent at doing the job would want to sacrifice their own family time to remain in their job helping other families, even less so those without academic background and or aptitude.
        
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        September 1, 2016 7:21pm
    - Jack5
      
      Pushing more training into tertiary institutions is the opposite direction from which the country should be going, IMHO.
      
      Social work doesn’t take great intelligence or degrees in psychology. Surely more important would be common sense and empathy without the danger of being conned by psychopaths.
      
      There must be a way of graduating work, and supplying part-time training for folk, meanwhile sifting out early those who aren’t cut out for the work. Look at the great apprenticeship schemes of Germany, covering hundreds of occupations.
      
      Pushing more into tertiary institutions for quasi-academic skills and loading them to the eyeballs with student debt is surely bad for the recruits and bad for the country.
      
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      September 1, 2016 4:20pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m all for the apprenticeship training on the job.
        That’s the point I’m making above.
        You can still be employed as a social worker, but do some theory/paper work at the same time. There are courses available for exactly this type of situation.
        
        No need to leave your job or hometown.
        
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        September 1, 2016 5:16pm
- Reid
  
  Social work isn’t rocket science and in any case requires many skills you simply can’t pick up in a lecture hall.
  
  Which means this stupid policy dreamed up no doubt by university-trained 20 and 30 somethings in the policy unit who know nothing about the real world and the effects on it of their often stupid and ill-considered ideas; is implementing something that will degrade not improve performance for decades to come, which is as long as it will take for the idiots to recognise their folly.
  
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  September 1, 2016 2:08pm
Fletch

Surgeons want to perform the world’s first head transplant. No joking. A Russian guy who is terminal is offering his.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/09/the-audacious-plan-to-save-this-mans-life-by-transplanting-his-head/492755/
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September 1, 2016 1:33pm
Jack5

Iraqi refugee paedophile is costing NZ taxypayers plenty, but no-one wants him in their neighbourhood.

Perhaps Mount Wellington might host him? What do the Stephies think?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/83746020/corrections-to-appeal-after-losing-bid-to-supervise-child-sex-offender-with-disturbed-past-settled-in-wellington
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September 1, 2016 1:36pm
- Reid
  
  stephie normally thinks of nothing at all so I wouldn’t hold my breath on this one Jack.
  
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  September 1, 2016 2:11pm
- kowtow
  
  Who let these violent, dangerous people into the country? Where’s the vetting ? The accountability?
  
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  September 1, 2016 2:39pm
Manolo

Will stephieboy offer a billet to this criminal? 🙂
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September 1, 2016 1:53pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, Reid and Jack 5 , will you be all offering a billet or support for this child rapist ? ,
  
  “Child rapist Robert Burrett jailed for 19-and-a-half years”
  
  “..the 64-year-old grandfather admitted 21 abuse charges relating to 12 young victims, including rape, sodomy, forced oral sex, indecent assaults, video-taping of the offending, and watching pornography, often in his underground caretaker’s shed…”
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11621027
  
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  September 1, 2016 2:17pm
  - Jack5
    
    No problems from this guy, Stephie X.
    
    He’ll die inside jail, and good riddance.
    
    But, what to do about the Iraqi refugee paedophile?Would the animals be safe if you Stephiestanis were to make him keeper of the Mount Wellington camels?
    
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    September 1, 2016 3:39pm
    - holysheet
      
      I have noticed with the stupidboys, that whenever they respond to a valid question, they always bypass the answer by trying to bring another supposedly worse example of the question. Instead thay should just answer the question.
      
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      September 1, 2016 4:06pm
Manolo

The joy of democracy African-style:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/31/gabon-election-results-disputed-incumbent-ali-bongo-victor-jean-ping

Clashes between opposition supporters and security forces broke out in the capital of Gabon on Wednesday after Ali Bongo, the incumbent president, was controversially declared the winner of Saturday’s election, extending the rule of one of Africa’s longest political dynasties to more than 50 years.
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September 1, 2016 1:58pm
stephieboy

Trump forgot to switch off his lie machine ,

“Mexican president disputes Trump over border wall payment discussion”

“Donald Trump flew into a nation he has constantly berated during his campaign to meet President Enrique Peña Nieto and said they discussed a wall Trump has vowed to build on the US southern border, but not his demand that Mexico pay for it — an assertion the Mexican president later disputed.

“Who pays for the wall? We didn’t discuss,” Trump had said when asked by a reporter during a news conference following their meeting in Mexico City. “We did discuss the wall. We didn’t discuss payment of the wall. That’ll be for a later date.”
But Peña Nieto later claimed the two had discussed the wall and who would pay for it — and he had “made it clear” to Trump it wouldn’t be Mexico.
“At the start of the conversation with Donald Trump, I made it clear that Mexico will not pay for the wall,” Peña Nieto tweeted, after their meeting Wednesday.”

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/30/politics/donald-trump-enrique-pea-nieto-mexico/index.html
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September 1, 2016 2:10pm
All_on_Red

Check out the spin from the Clinton News Network.
They discussed the wall alright. Mexico supports it, they are sick of the crime in their own Border towns.
Nieto said they wouldn’t pay for it. Trump left it at that and didn’t push it. So Trump didn’t discuss or pursue Nieto’s statement…
Subtle distinction. I reckon in the end Mexico and the US will do it together. It’s in both their interests.
Nice to see you on here Creepyboy. Not out ‘honeypot’ spotting.
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September 1, 2016 2:28pm
- stephieboy
  
  All On Wed , Trump is obviously doing a flip flop on his proposed wall by softening his stance no doubt much to your bitter dismay .
  
  Stop blaming MSM CNS for his flip flops . All Peña Nieto told Trump that Mexico will not be paying for it .
  
  End of story !
  
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  September 1, 2016 2:39pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I just said Nieto said he wouldn’t pay for it. Can’t you read?Trump hasn’t softened his approach, he just avoided a conflict. IF he becomes President no doubt it will be raised again.
    Mikey is right, you are KBs ‘dumbest commentator’.
    You know nothing about negotiation if you think it’s the end of the story., eh Creepyboy
    
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    September 1, 2016 2:45pm
  - Reid
    
    All Peña Nieto told Trump that Mexico will not be paying for it .
    
    Who cares what he said stephie? If Trump decides to slap a 100% tarriff on all Mexican goods and use that to pay for it, or alternatively Mexico can decide to pay for it after all, why, problem solved. Isn’t it.
    
    End of story!
    
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    September 1, 2016 2:57pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      There is a $60 Billion trade imbalance with Mexico.
      
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      September 1, 2016 2:59pm
    - SPC
      
      Not under WTO or NAFTA rules he won’t. Which is why he prefers to infer a threat to transfers of money to Mexico (from those working in the US).
      
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      September 1, 2016 3:16pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Under Article 2205 the US only has to give six months notice to cancel Nafta
        Threatening transfers of money will only lose him votes so he won’t do that. Better to renegotiate and keep jobs in the US. Looks like that message of jobs is starting to resonate with legal Hispanics and African Americans. His approval rating is rising.
        
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        September 1, 2016 3:22pm
      - SPC
        
        I was not aware of the 6 month opt out.
        
        The problem with re-negotiating is that NAFTA also includes Canada.
        
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        September 1, 2016 3:49pm
- SPC
  
  The problem is the ability to successfully remain on the other side of the border when getting there. If, or once, there is a wall along the land border, then the migrants come in along the California and Texas coast by night boat. Waste of money.
  
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  September 1, 2016 2:48pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Trump just gave a speech about illegal immigration. His solutions are the application of many things, including addressing the issues you state.
    Worth watching.
    
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    September 1, 2016 2:54pm
- Gabby
  
  Turdump won’t ever have to push it unless he’s going to build a private wall.
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:06pm
SPC

Adding a new dimension to H(ypocrite)america is Jack Lew their Treasury Secretary objecting to the EU taxing their corporates in the EU.

He claims it is the right of the USA to tax their corporates for the profits they make offshore (and they will eventually will get around to doing so) so the EU can keep their hands off.

He also claims that anyone deemed an American person (invented category) has to pay tax to their government and other nations are to hand over information to them (bank accounts, local tax information etc).

“Inland Revenue (joining the UK) has confirmed it could include collecting and passing on the private details (their financial affairs including banking) of New Zealand citizens who are “US persons” to US tax authorities. But critics say the law will hit Kiwi citizens, many of whom are oblivious of their status and tax obligations as a “US person”. Under US law, any Kiwi who has a green card, or US residency, is liable to pay tax in the US, even if they have not lived there for decades. Likewise, any New Zealander born to an American parent is a default US citizen and required to pay tax there, even if they have never left New Zealand.”
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September 1, 2016 2:35pm
- kowtow
  
  SPC
  Happening already. FATCA. Incredibly intrusive. Anyone notice how when you open a new bank account they ask you if you’re a Yank?
  
  http://www.ird.govt.nz/international/nzwithos/fatca/role/
  
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  September 1, 2016 2:51pm
  - SPC
    
    From 1 July, that quote was from an old news story.
    
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    September 1, 2016 3:00pm
All_on_Red

Apparently Clinton has said she would renegotiate Nafta as well
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-labor-idUSKCN1062A9
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September 1, 2016 3:28pm
Nostradamus

Stephieboy:

Nasska tells us that you have a meet-and-greet job at Bunnings in Mt Roskill. How’s the foot traffic today? Has anyone asked you to direct them to the aisle where they can find knives that’d be suitable for female genital mutilations and jihadi operations?
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September 1, 2016 3:49pm
- Gabby
  
  Prying for personal details? Bit nosy, or just a dumbarse?
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:10pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Gabby is so thick (even by troll standards) that he can’t differentiate between a joke and a serious comment.
    
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    September 1, 2016 9:07pm
    - Gabby
      
      Gobby is nosy, and a bit of a dumbarse.
      
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      September 2, 2016 9:08pm
Manolo

On Trump’s visit to Mexico:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/31/trump-hit-a-home-run-with-his-meeting-with-mexicos-president-commentary.html

Just when it seemed like the negative image of Donald Trump as a xenophobic, racist, and cartoonish excuse for a presidential candidate was permanently stained into most of the voters’ minds, someone on his campaign staff had the brilliant idea to accept the invitation to meet Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto in Mexico City.

And now that the meeting is over, and both Trump and Nieto have made their formal statements, it’s clear Trump has been given a crucial presidential-looking shot in the arm from perhaps the one foreign leader we least expected to give it to him. But that’s not where the positives for Trump end, not by a long shot.
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September 1, 2016 3:54pm
- waripori
  
  Trump has had an amazing week or so on immigration. Someone must have told him he needs more Hispanic votes so he starts talking about how tough it would be on those illegals who have been in the US a long time to turf them out. Everyone thinks he is going to soften his stance and admit the wall is just a metaphor for tightening the border a bit. Marco Rubio has a conniption fit.
  Trump goes to Mexico and says what nice people Hispanics are , that the US has a right to build a wall but there was no discussion on who would pay. The Mexican President says he made it clear at the beginning of the meeting Mexico will not pay.
  
  The SAME day, Trump flies to Phoenix and , in his long awaited speech on immigration where he was to pivot to the centre he goes right back to square one and says on day one of his Presidency the deportations will start and the wall will go up.
  
  You can make of all that what you want but you certainly cant call it consistent. Nieto is not likely to give Trump a presidential looking shot in the arm. More likely to be one between the eyes. Nieto is already unpopular in Mexico and took a risk meeting Trump, who has just made a fool of him.
  
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  September 1, 2016 4:37pm
  - mikenmild
    
    So much for the pivot. Trump is happiest when he’s saying things that neo-Nazis approve.
    https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/771177837072048129
    
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    September 1, 2016 4:44pm
stigie

Do you think it wise that Big Bruv and Longknives read this….?
“Stats say that the ABs dont get ‘special treatment’
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11702631
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September 1, 2016 4:06pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  I think Big Bruv is still working through this Spy News article: Richie McCaw found love online:
  
  Everyone loves a fairytale of a man and woman falling in love, right?
  
  All Black great Richie McCaw and his fiancée Gemma Flynn have a modern day romance story, and it’s definitely no Mills and Boon novel.
  
  In McCaw’s new film Chasing Great, the Black Sticks midfielder reveals how the retired ABs captain made the moves on her. She says McCaw messaged her on Facebook saying he was “sorry for her loss in a hockey game and that he knew exactly what it feels like to lose a big match”.
  
  Big Bruv (like the rest of us) probably loves a good modern day romance story…
  
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  September 1, 2016 4:28pm
  - stigie
    
    Yeah Nostra, but i think Big Bruv’s modern day romance story would be ‘Madam lashes house of pain’..?
    
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    September 1, 2016 4:42pm
SPC

Illegal immigration is a complicated topic.

They are exploited by some as cheap labour but also by politicians posing as strong on border sovereignty, law and order and as champions of local unskilled labour at risk of being displaced. However they still stay because low wage labour that cannot vote is the wet dream of American capitalism and they will do nothing to change that (requiring inner city folk who do not need or cannot afford a car to get across town to acquire a drivers licence before voting is the other big play of the declining white rump demographic).
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September 1, 2016 4:14pm
Manolo

Rumour has it that our resident multiculturalist, avid reader of left-wing Salon, is also a dedicated Drudge fan.
http://www.salon.com/2016/08/31/the-drudge-factor-in-2016-providing-the-rumors-scandals-and-chatter-the-press-is-all-too-eager-to-eat-up/
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September 1, 2016 4:25pm
Jack5

Flavell, of the 2 per cent Maori party, is on again about race-based seats for local bodies.

Imagine if someone called for reserved seats for whites.

Oh that’s right, they did once, in another Southern Hemisphere country.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11702556
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September 1, 2016 4:25pm
Stars And Stripes

Coromandel flasher convicted of another indecent beach act
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11702645

‘A convicted flasher has been found guilty of another indecent act – this time masturbating in front of a young mother and her toddler son on a Coromandel beach.”
“She felt like someone was staring at her, despite there only being the three of them on the beach.”

This staring at random women and getting aroused thing sounds very familiar except this one didn’t seem to be in a hijab or sipping coffee.
Tourists from Mt Roskill ah!.
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September 1, 2016 4:31pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stars and Stripes:
  
  You missed the interesting part:
  
  The victim said she looked over at Bell and noticed he had a towel wrapped around his lower body. She then began to see the towel moving up and down “vigorously”.
  
  Sounds like a pervert to me!
  
  In questioning from defence counsel Glen Prentice about how many times she looked over, the victim said she looked about four or five times, but was wary about staring too much.
  
  “I didn’t because . . . it was very obvious he was watching me and probably wanted to be watched.”
  
  Suggested answer to defence counsel: How many times do you think I should’ve looked? As many as it took to see his exposed cock?
  
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  September 1, 2016 4:37pm
  - nasska
    
    As S&S suggests, it may be a different perv but I’ve still got niggling doubts. After all anyone who bats one out while noting that, “Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire .” has to be a bit sus!
    
    Or maybe he was just checking for testicular cancer. 🙂
    
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    September 1, 2016 5:51pm
    - Griff
      
      I wish you guys would think .
      Here is a hint.
      Stephie ….boy.
      
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      September 1, 2016 5:59pm
      - nasska
        
        Do you think he may have been a boy then had a sex change but didn’t like it so now dresses as a male Bunnings greeter Griff?
        
        It would explain the lesbian fantasies over women drinking coffee while dressed in rubbish bags. 🙂
        
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        September 1, 2016 6:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hmm, another thought is that Dot Com said last year he would introduce a scheme to disrupt blogs.
        Some of the trolls on here aren’t Green Party or Labour…
        Interesting the names of the personnel on the Internet Party exec
        
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        September 1, 2016 6:53pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      Do you suppose that a flasher would say something like this:
      
      Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
      
      It showed me two things : one how easily ,even islamic and typically younger generations ,adopt Western fashions and mores etc. Two how very attractive and sensuous they would be to most males including Islamaphobes like you !
      
      I can imagine a person who says that being the sort of person who rubs a towel up and down over his private parts vigorously at a beach!
      
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      September 1, 2016 6:21pm
      - nasska
        
        Definitely a self pollinator Nostra.
        
        Probably frequents the mall toilet area dressed in a raincoat with the pocket liners removed. 🙂
        
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        September 1, 2016 6:27pm
      - tom hunter
        
        We must have a really skillful one here then, because at the same time he can tap away at a keyboard with the other hand.
        
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        September 1, 2016 6:28pm
      - Fletch
        
        And we wonder why many Muslim immigrants are sex fiends and rapists when they come to Western countries. They’re literally sexually repressed. All they see are tents walking around all day. Then they come to a Western country, and it’s sensory overload!
        
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        September 1, 2016 8:06pm
SPC

The Burkini (Fatso) debate (not fat shaming when it is a pun on an African state name).

There are laws requiring people not to be naked, which is limiting their freedom to reduce any discomfort to others. And there is the matter of pressure on Moslem women to burkini cover up from their community (a threat to secularism) and the suggestion of Moslem male violence to any women who does not cover up “because she is asking for it” or is not behaving as a Moslem woman should.

The real need in France is for a law protecting the freedom to choose so that no women is forced to wear (or not wear) anything. Then male violence towards women (from all parties, police or Moslem fascist) would end. A law that makes criminals of men who try to bully women over their choice of clothing.
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September 1, 2016 4:46pm
- mikenmild
  
  Well, I’m pretty sure the answer to some women being forced to wear too many clothes is not to pass a law requiring them to take off their clothes.
  
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  September 1, 2016 4:49pm
  - Reid
    
    Well, I’m pretty sure the answer… is not to pass a law requiring [women] to take off their clothes.
    
    Yes mm, I always suspected you’d be against a great law like that.
    
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    September 1, 2016 5:10pm
stigie

Can someone correct me on how this young mother became a victim to supposedly a man masturbating on a Coromandel beach 100 metres away..?

She may have been offended FFS !~
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September 1, 2016 6:16pm
- Nostradamus
  
  The level of offence taken, or the laugh-out-loud factor, might have been proportionate to the size of the “thing” we’re talking about, Stigie?
  
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  September 1, 2016 6:33pm
rangitoto

Idiocy on TVNZ trying to equate Islam with a race.
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September 1, 2016 7:20pm
nasska

Here’s something for you desk jockeys who bitch about crowded motorways. Imagine doing this for a couple of dollars an hour over the minimum wage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVDxk6xP4PE
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September 1, 2016 7:33pm
- stigie
  
  Impressive Nasska, but the wimps behind their desks would say they could back the log truck up the hill with hand on cock !~
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:06pm
  - nasska
    
    You need to be on solid tucker before you take on some of those forestry tracks stigie.
    
    I’ve spent a bit of time metalling them & that’s as bad, if not worse.
    
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    September 1, 2016 8:16pm
- Griff
  
  They could not cope with a RR nasska
  What do ya mean it has 18 gears?
  What the hell do those two buttons on the gear lever ?
  Why do you double clutch all the time ?
  No syncro if you miss a shift ya gotta stop the bloody thing to get it back into any gear .
  What you can even drive just using the clutch only for staring off?
  Its fun as when you work it out .
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:33pm
Fletch

What is it with the lack of good programming on free-to-air TV? I literally haven’t watched TV for 3 or 4 weeks (or more). There’s never anything on. 🙁
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September 1, 2016 8:03pm
- mikenmild
  
  Depends on your tastes.
  I can cope with Jericho and Brief Encounters at the moment.
  There’s a new Agatha Christie adaptation coming in a week or so.
  But random dipping in will find fuck all.
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:11pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    You’re better than that tosh mm – much better.
    Brief Encounters – that looks like broad filler crap if ever there was any.
    I like The Liquidator, American Restoration, Toy Hunter, Storage Wars (Barry Weiss) Location x3. At least they’re real people.
    If you’re gonna watch shit – watch good shit – Red Dwarf, Married With Children, Sledge Hammer, The Young Ones, Father Ted etc . . . retro is your old friend you know and love . . .
    
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    September 2, 2016 4:27am
Nostradamus

And from today’s Religion with Nasska segment:

Giving evidence today, Sister Evelyn Woodward was questioned about her knowledge of abuse carried out by Ryan on altar boys and about whom she told in the church hierarchy. Counsel assisting the commission Stephen Free also probed Sister Evelyn about letters Ryan wrote to her detailing his history of sexual attraction to boys.

And what an exchange it was:

Mr Free: In one of those letters he actually talked about his sexual attraction to boys for a considerable time and in fact before he entered the seminary, do you remember that?
Sister Evelyn: Yes I do.
Mr Free: The priest had told him, effectively, if he said his prayers, God would look after him?
Sister Evelyn: Yeah.

The power of prayer?
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September 1, 2016 8:06pm
- mikenmild
  
  More likely, the Church would look after him.
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:15pm
stigie

“The priest had told him, effectively, if he said his prayers, God would look after him?”

Nostra:- God didn’t need to because the priest looked after himself ole chap..?
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September 1, 2016 8:12pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  The man, known to the commission as CNE, said he was once being abused by Ryan at church when a male parishioner walked into the room.
  
  “He looked directly at Father Ryan standing there holding my head with his erect penis in his other hand,” CNE said.
  
  It sounds like the priest helped himself, rather than looked after himself, perhaps?
  
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  September 1, 2016 8:16pm
  - stigie
    
    Sounds like a blessed facial Nostra..?
    
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    September 1, 2016 8:20pm
  - nasska
    
    Poor little sods…..sodomised senseless & they still had to listen to the shit afterwards.
    
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    September 1, 2016 8:22pm
mikenmild

There are few organisations sicker than the Catholic Church, with its record of recruiting, aiding and abetting child molesters, denying any responsibility, while all the time having the gall to make pronouncements about morality.
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September 1, 2016 8:26pm
nasska

That should pull a few Godwhacks out of the woodwork! 🙂
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September 1, 2016 8:30pm
stigie

“That should pull a few Godwhacks out of the woodwork!”

Well, that could be construed as getting the Godwhacks away from the gloryhole..?
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September 1, 2016 8:51pm
chiz

Obama pays Mexico five billion dollars to keep Trump.
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September 1, 2016 8:59pm
Left Right and Centre

Anyone looking for a laugh – Kai Cycle in Wellington. Heard about them on red radio then with intermagic can laugh myself silly at how they fill their days. Collecting compost on electric bikes and trailers. Just $30 per month collection fee residential.
I’m sure their ‘urban farm’ is really cool. Much better than actual food farms that feed the masses with jaw-dropping economies of scale . . .

Wow – fantastic. I’d sign up too if I lived in the ‘urban zone’ – and if I didn’t eat every part of everything except used teabags and banana skins. My compost goes to the treatment plant. Maybe if I boiled the banana skins – hmmm
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September 2, 2016 4:32am
Manolo

More polls:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch
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September 2, 2016 6:27am
- mikenmild
  
  I wouldn’t get too excited about a narrow lead for Trump in one national poll. 538’s forecast based on all current polls still gives Clinton a 73% chance of winning. Even their rolling average of national polls has Clinton 4-5 percentage points ahead.
  
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  September 2, 2016 6:57am
Manolo

Tony Blair and his peers know what is best for the populace:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3769459/Tony-Blair-thinks-Britain-stay-EU-calls-second-referendum-public-opinion-Brexit-changes.html

Britain could still stay in the European Union if public opinion shifts away from Brexit over the next few years, Tony Blair said today.

The former prime minister said the British people ‘have the right’ to change their minds on the result of the June referendum.
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