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Lucia Maria

Shawn,

Lucia, I think you see what you want to see, and your perception of Trump is heavily influenced by your political opposition to him.

Yes …

That’s fine, but it would be a mistake to assume everyone agrees with you, or will do so, so I’m not sure where you get “We’re seeing” from.

Well, the “we” is everyone that takes note of what he says and does. Whether they agree or not with it, is beside the point. Even you can see what it means he is – you just don’t care or think it is important.

I see a man who knows who his enemies are and knows how to defeat them, utterly and totally.

Here we disagree.

The West is in a massive crisis on a number of fronts. The time for politeness and niceness is over.

You know, there is an old Polish saying, something like Poland is not dead while we still live. I think the same can be applied to the West, in that if enough people ascribe to Western values then the West is still here, still alive, still going forth. Donald Trump, however, is a symptom of crisis, or a virus that will kill the host rather than save it. I think Kimbo has talked about this sort of thing a lot and has probably given up, which I can understand. It’s hard to be a lone voice warning of danger ahead.
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July 23, 2016 7:01pm
Andrei

There has never been a perfect human society in this world Manolo and there never will be
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July 23, 2016 7:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Former Soviet President Gorbachev gets to the crux of the Olympic ban

“At the same time, I am concerned and deeply saddened by the possibility that in case all Russian athletes are banned from competing in the Olympic Games, the innocent will be punished together with the guilty.

“The principle of collective punishment is unacceptable for me. I am convinced that it contradicts the very culture of the Olympic movement based on universal values, humanism and principles of law.”
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July 23, 2016 7:09pm
Nostradamus

Andrei:

There has never been a perfect human society in this world

Well, according to Scott, Marfell was a perfect spot until “godless nihilistic liberalism” ruined it:

As someone who actually grew up in Marfell and went to Marfell school it was a good community. People knew their neighbours and as a small boy I went half a kilometer up the road to the grocer in perfect safety.

The difference from now is that then we had intact families with mum and dad married and bringing up their children. Also many kids went to Sunday school and there was respect for the rule of law and the community.

What has destroyed the community is decades of godless nihilistic liberalism. Kids do not go to Sunday school, adults don’t attend church, kids are not living in intact families and subsequently the rule of law has broken down. A real shame IMHO.

The answer, apparently, is to get people like Nasska off our streets and in our churches!
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July 23, 2016 7:09pm
Satantango

@DifferentPerspective

Let’s not jump to any f***ing conclusions!!!

Best not to, I agree.
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July 23, 2016 7:15pm
Shawn Herles

@Lucia

“something like Poland is not dead while we still live. I think the same can be applied to the West”

For now, but for how much longer?

“in that if enough people ascribe to Western values then the West is still here”

Well, yes, and no. It beggars the question of which Western values are we trying to save, and it is here where the difference between myslf, yourself, kimbo, and a few others, is profound. For me, the values and political principles that came from the so-called enlightenment are not values and principles I want to preserve.

“I think Kimbo has talked about this sort of thing a lot and has probably given up”

Kimbo is strongly wedded to the modernist project, hence his talk and warnings are about threats to that project, such as secular neutrality. That’s fine, for him, but he and I are defending, and fighting for, very different things. Kimdo sees Trump as a threat to modern Western values, and he is right. But it is for that reason that I support Trump. The West that I am fighting for is much, much older than modernity, and modernity is exactly what I want to help burn to the ground.
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July 23, 2016 7:15pm
Andrei

Well you know Nostradumus some places and times are better to live in than others

I don’t think I’d rush to live in Burkina Faso for example

Then again life for a young black man living in the Washington DC projects is no great shakes either, in fact his life expectancy is not much higher than someone of the same age living in Burkina Faso – and he is more likely to die a violent death than an infantry man in Vietnam was
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July 23, 2016 7:15pm
mikenmild

Anyone else find it amusing that Shawn and Andrei have become such great pals over their shared Trump-worship?
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July 23, 2016 7:17pm
nasska

It would take another Spanish Inquiition to get me through the doors Nostra! 🙂
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July 23, 2016 7:17pm
Nostradamus

Andrei:

The issue, as I see it, is that modern society is based on several underlying assumptions. One assumption, in particular, is that multiculturalism and diversity is good. At one level that’s true. But, at another level, it presupposes that diverse groups can live together harmoniously. As soon as you have groups demanding special “rights” or “privileges” – whether it’s separate swimming pools for Muslims or separate toilets for transgender folk – then you start to run into problems.

One recent development that I’ve not particularly thrilled about is this tendency for high school students to demand things, like the “right” to wear what they like, or to grow beards. That’s not going to cut the mustard in the modern workforce – or is that the next battleground for change?
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July 23, 2016 7:21pm
Andrei

I don’t worship Trump mikenmild – far from it

I think the alternative is much worse that’s all

But he might turn out to be the best thing that has happened to America for years – on the other hand it could end up a total catastrophe (that’s what I said before)

Not much we can do about it though – we don’t get a vote
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July 23, 2016 7:22pm
mikenmild

True, Andrei. I suspect your support and admiration for Trump is on the same basis as Putin’s – a President Trump would represent an invaluable strategic opportunity for Russia to assert its interests more forcefully.
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July 23, 2016 7:24pm
Shawn Herles

“Anyone else find it amusing that Shawn and Andrei have become such great pals over their shared Trump-worship?”

You forgot to add “nazi, racist, facist” to your troll. Slipping mikey?

And neither Andrei or myself worship Trump. I leave the worship of political idols to people like Morissey or stephieboy.

Or people who think Helen Clark is a success story. 🙂
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July 23, 2016 7:24pm
Andrei

But, at another level, it presupposes that diverse groups can live together harmoniously.

They can Nostradumus – most normal people want to get along with their neighbors, it makes life more comfortable.

Its people with agendas who stir things up between different communities
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July 23, 2016 7:26pm
Shawn Herles

“this tendency for high school students to demand things, like the “right” to wear what they like, or to grow beards.”

Thankfully Nostra, very few high school age boys have a hope in hell of growing anything that looks like a beard! 🙂

But I agree with your point.
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July 23, 2016 7:27pm
Shawn Herles

@mikey

Neither Andrei or myself worship Trump. I leave the worship of political idols to people like Morissey or stephieboy.

Or people who think Helen Clark is a success story. ?
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July 23, 2016 7:28pm
Andrei

True, Andrei. I suspect your support and admiration for Trump is on the same basis as Putin’s

I haven’t expressed admiration for Trump mikenmild!

I think he is the lesser of two evils
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July 23, 2016 7:32pm
nasska

…..” very few high school age boys have a hope in hell of growing anything that looks like a beard”….

Speak for yourself! 🙂
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July 23, 2016 7:34pm
AgentBallSack

mikey perhaps we can become great friends if we both share in your cock worship fetish?
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July 23, 2016 7:38pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

I’m sure you’ve got a Dropbox image of youself sporting a beard and a matching skirt?
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July 23, 2016 7:38pm
nasska

Leather or mini Nostra? 🙂
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July 23, 2016 7:39pm
Nostradamus

Probably not leather – that seems to attract Johnboy!
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July 23, 2016 7:40pm
tom hunter

Well the Highlanders game last night was pretty tense, though made so mainly by a lot of mistakes by the Deep South, even if the Brumbies defense was good. Certainly the scoreline did not reflect the amount of possession and territory they had.

Heart in mouth stuff at the end when the Brumbies kept the clock going in a desperate effort to score a converted try. Never really looked likely but I loved the bit where the Highlanders got possession back and then somehow, Aaron Smith, of all people, got the ball stripped back off him. This was what – 82 or 82 minutes in? Fortunately it went out a few seconds later and that was that.

So – Hurricanes tonight and due to bloody teenage girls dominating the TV for movies I’ll have to await the delayed coverage.

So in the meantime….

…. and modernity is exactly what I want to help burn to the ground.

Burn down to what level? Presumably some period between the Reformation – otherwise your church does not exist – and the Enlightenment unleashed the ideas that drive “modernity” to this day?
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July 23, 2016 7:43pm
nasska

…..some period between the Reformation – otherwise your church does not exist”…..

It only exists in their fevered imaginations anyway. 🙂
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July 23, 2016 7:47pm
Nostradamus

Tom Hunter:

bloody teenage girls dominating the TV for movies

I’m devastated, Tom, as I really thought you were a Sleepless in Seattle sort of romantic guy – the sort of good influence who could keep Starboard on the straight and narrow.
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July 23, 2016 7:49pm
Shawn Herles

@ Tom

“Burn down to what level? Presumably some period between the Reformation and the Enlightenment unleashed the ideas that drive “modernity” to this day?

Modernity is a set of ideas and principles founded upon a specific understanding of human nature, ideas which were born with the enlightenment and which were turbo-charged by the French revolution. In short, modernity is an ideology rather than a time period, though they are related. It’s the ideology that I’m opposed to.

“otherwise your church does not exist”

A church will always exist. The particular historical forms are neither here nor there to me.
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July 23, 2016 7:53pm
Andrei

The sum total of the allegations against Russian athletes Maggie come from three defectors now living in the USA all of whom had fallen afoul of the authorities in Russia for doping

That is not to say all Russian athletes are clean anymore than all New Zealand athletes and officials are clean

The difference is Valerie Adams gets to defend her shotput title while Yelena Isinbayeva doesn’t get to defend her pole vaulting one
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July 23, 2016 7:54pm
AgentBallSack

dont worry tom you’re missing a blinder.
no canes thicker than your thumb!
Was playing football at Thorndon today and the weather is a howling wet northerly
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July 23, 2016 7:54pm
Nostradamus

AgentBallSack

Mikenmild hasn’t accepted your offer above. You might need to consider adding a sweetener or two to make it more attractive for him?
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July 23, 2016 8:02pm
tom hunter

@AgentBallSack
Hmmm. I’ll assume “blinder” is sarcasm, having watched the weather map the last few days. Figured the Sharks would be happy: a forward slugfest with nothing but penalties. Oh well – will watch anyway.

Nostradamus (5,202 comments) says:
July 23rd, 2016 at 7:49 pm
… I’m devastated, Tom, as I really thought you were a Sleepless in Seattle sort of romantic guy

Well, they’ve seen Deadpool – which is likely a Starboard sort of movie. Normally I’m quite the martinet with them, forcing them to watch the classics that they’re constantly seeing as “Shout Outs” in endless Tumblr posts, TV shows and more than a few movies – including every bloody Pixar movie ever made (“Oh – so that’s why you and Mum were laughing so much when we were little”

But not tonight. Tonight it’s craaaaaaaaaapppppppppp – which is why the beloved and I have retreated to the front room.

Shawn Herles (14,336 comments) says:
July 23rd, 2016 at 7:53 pm
… In short, modernity is an ideology rather than a time period,…

Oh I know. Which makes your choice of Trump even more amusing. He’s quite the modernist himself. Getting the first Trump Orbital Hotel will likely mean little more than him having a shot at zero-gee sex – possibly even with Melania.

A church will always exist. The particular historical forms are neither here nor there to me.

Really. So cosying up with Lucia to kiss the Pope’s ring won’t worry you too much if it so happens that the burndown goes that far back? Surprising.
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July 23, 2016 8:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Andrei

I have very little interest in sport…

but I do become aggrieved when I have to take an unwarranted punishment (remember those full class/school detentions?)

I agree with you (and Gorbachev), if there is no evidence against a qualifying athlete, then let them compete.
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July 23, 2016 8:07pm
Shawn Herles

@ Tom

“Oh I know. Which makes your choice of Trump even more amusing. He’s quite the modernist himself.”

Obviously. But Trump is just a politician. He’s a means to an end, not the end itself. His value is in shifting the Overton window on certain issues, and his value is that he may go some way towards slowing the decline of the US and the radical changes to it’s national identity resulting from mass immigration.

Contrary to what you and others seem to imply, I don’t consider Trump the Saviour of the US or the West, nor am I weighting him with the importance you, and others, seem to think I am. He’s just a pawn that is useful for the time being.

Ending the reign of modernity cannot be achieved through democratic politics. It is a meta-political war that can only be won on the field of culture. Politics plays a role, but not the primary one.

” if it so happens that the burndown goes that far back? Surprising.”

The “burndown” has nothing to do with time frames Tom. Modernism is an ideology, not a time frame.
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July 23, 2016 8:23pm
Rachael Membery

Inandout (2,427 comments) says:

July 23rd, 2016 at 6:10 pm

Actually I am angrier at Stephieboy, I wouldn’t do well under sharia as a female chauvinist and I would have to say a cultural chauvinist as well, is that the same thing as being Eurocentric? If not I declare myself as both. ;).

Stephieboy has done such a good job of alienating rational me from everything Muslim, that I am beginning to think that he is a piss-take. He has certainly done nothing to persuade me or anecdotally anyone as to any advantages of diversity to those of us who hold a western tenet dear. Thanks Stephie, you have done a great job of alerting me to the dangers of underestimating the effect of Muslim immigration to NZ albeit as an immigrant or as a refugee.

I will be sure to pass on the message.
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July 23, 2016 8:25pm
Shawn Herles

Seems an appropriate quote in relation to stephie…

““We cannot help noticing that, like all propagandists, the apostles of tolerance, truth to tell, are very often the most intolerant of men.” – – René Guénon
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July 23, 2016 8:38pm
starboard

Im on the straight and narrow Nosty..sometimes I just deviate a little ..
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July 23, 2016 8:43pm
tom hunter

Contrary to what you and others seem to imply, I don’t consider Trump the Saviour of the US or the West,

Not in your case. I figured you were just fighting fire with fire with the likes of mikenmild and other GOP=EVIL types.

The “burndown” has nothing to do with time frames Tom. Modernism is an ideology, not a time frame.

Yes, I probably should have not have implied a timeframe when I’m actually referring to burning down an ideological structure to its foundations – as you were too. It’s just the structure is so tied with the long ago events of the Enlightenment that the terms can be easily confused.

Having said that, you’re also rather confusing, but likely only because you’ve not gone into any detail on what apsects of the Enlightenment and Modernity your wish to burn down. I’m sure you’ll enlighten us at some point.
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July 23, 2016 8:43pm
Rachael Membery

starboard (5,062 comments) says:

July 23rd, 2016 at 8:43 pm

I see that some awful female Thai politician is going to crack down on prostitution in Thailand. That should be good for shit and giggles. Price of real estate should come down too.
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July 23, 2016 8:51pm
Shawn Herles

@ Tom

“but likely only because you’ve not gone into any detail on what apsects of the Enlightenment and Modernity your wish to burn down. ”

Blogs are good for soundbites. They don’t tend to be good for in depth philosophy discussions.

In short then; The understanding of human nature as tabula rasa. Radical individualism cut off from any sense of responsibility to our ancestors, family, folk and nation. Rights without duties. The elevation of Cartesian rationalism as the only source of truth. Materialism and the rejection of the transcendent. The desacralization of the world.

Those are a few. 🙂

Good night all.
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July 23, 2016 9:02pm
starboard

Love to see how she is going to do that Rachael, maybe she should direct her energies into something more pressing, e.g the rampant police corruption which is rife over there rather than picking on the poor northern Thai girls who are just trying to earn a living so they can send cash home to their poverty stricken parents. Politicians, no wonder they rate lower than pond scum.
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July 23, 2016 9:12pm
Rachael Membery

starboard (5,063 comments) says:

July 23rd, 2016 at 9:12 pm

By criminalizing the customer?
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July 23, 2016 9:18pm
nasska

Conservonutter jargon explained:

compassionate conservatism
n. Poignant concern for the very wealthy.

God
n. Senior political adviser.

House of Representatives
n. Exclusive club; entry fee $1 million to $5 million. (signed guarantee note
from Jehovah accepted)

liberal(s)
n. Followers of the Anti-christ.
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July 23, 2016 9:31pm
Rachael Membery

starboard (5,063 comments) says:

July 23rd, 2016 at 9:12 pm

Gee, what ever would those parents have done if they hadn’t had daughters. I wouldn’t live off the proceeds of a daughter that had to resort to prostitution!!! Nor would I have a daughter if I was that poor or are you saying that that was always the intent?
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July 23, 2016 9:32pm
sam green

Nasska. Lol. ?
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July 23, 2016 9:33pm
Kimbo

@ tom hunter

Having said that, you’re also rather confusing, but likely only because you’ve not gone into any detail on what apsects of the Enlightenment and Modernity your wish to burn down. I’m sure you’ll enlighten us at some point.

I wouldn’t count on it based on this enlightening (no pun intended) and amusing exchange where one KB regular was in search of specifics while another was determined to avoid being pinned down on the implications of his demands to reform our systems of government…

(http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/07/60_dead_in_nice.html#comments):

SGA says:
July 15th, 2016 at 3:16 pm
Shawn Herles at 2:33 pm

The is nothing stopping the West from simply banning Islam outright

That would require some interesting sidestepping of the 1st amendment in the USA, I’d have thought.Shawn Herles at 2:33 pm

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Shawn Herles says:
July 15th, 2016 at 3:21 pm

SGA,

“That would require some interesting sidestepping of the 1st amendment in the USA, I’d have thought.”

Possibly, possibly not. It would depend on how any legislation was worded and applied.

Where there’s a will there’s a way.

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SGA says:
July 15th, 2016 at 3:26 pm

Shawn Herles at 3:21 pm

“That would require some interesting sidestepping of the 1st amendment in the USA, I’d have thought.”
Possibly, possibly not. It would depend on how any legislation was worded and applied.

Go on…
And, what sort of penalties do you see being imposed on people who continued to practice their religion after your ban?

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Shawn Herles says:
July 15th, 2016 at 3:31 pm

SGA, I am talking about the West in general, and I am talking about a general principle. How each individual country works it out is up to them. As to the details, again, that is something to be worked out when the legislation is being formed, by each country. There are many possibilities as to the how.

What I want is for the coversation to start.

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Kimbo says:
July 15th, 2016 at 3:34 pm

@ SGA

Good luck on herding those cats!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8

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SGA says:
July 15th, 2016 at 3:36 pm

Shawn Herles at 3:31 pm

As to the details, again, that is something to be worked out when the legislation is being formed, by each country. There are many possibilities as to the how.

You wouldn’t be bringing this up unless you’d thought about it, and the devil, as they say, is in the details. What would your outright ban on Islam have meant for someone like Muhammad Ali (were he still alive), to give a concrete example?

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Shawn Herles says:
July 15th, 2016 at 3:38 pm

SGA,

For a start, we might look to Switzerland as an example. They have already effectively gone some way towards my proposal, quite a long way in fact.

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SGA says:
July 15th, 2016 at 3:41 pm

Shawn Herles at 3:38 pm

For a start, we might look to Switzerland as an example. They have already effectively gone some way towards my proposal.

That’s well short of your call for an outright ban on an entire religion, Shawn, and you know it ?

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Shawn Herles says:
July 15th, 2016 at 3:49 pm

“That’s well short of your call for an outright ban on an entire religion, Shawn, and you know it”

Rome wasn’t built in a day SGA. Switzerland is a good example of how to begin.

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SGA says:
July 15th, 2016 at 3:55 pm

Shawn Herles at 3:49 pm

Rome wasn’t built in a day SGA. Switzerland is a good example of how to begin.

Because some inconvenience and minor persecution makes religions go away, Shawn. Really, is that what history tells you?
You were talking about an outright ban, of course.

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Shawn Herles says:
July 15th, 2016 at 4:01 pm

SGA,

If Switzerland’s policy radically reduces or eliminates Islamic immigration then job well done.

As to the outright ban, like I said, lets start the debate in the West about the goal, and work out the practicalities as we go.

The bottom line is, our current approach in the West is not working. Radical change is needed.

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SGA says:
July 15th, 2016 at 4:06 pm

Shawn Herles at 4:01 pm

As to the outright ban, like I said, lets start the debate in the West about the goal, and work out the practicalities as we go.

You’ve already stated your goal of an outright ban very clearly. I’m asking how you seeing it work – what would mean, for example, for those citizens (who follow Islam) of a country ? I gave the late Muhammad Ali as an concrete example.

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Shawn Herles says:
July 15th, 2016 at 4:09 pm

Final point SGA, then I need to get ready for work tonight. When JFK committed the US to getting a man on the moon, he did not have all the details and necessary planning for that already at hand. Once the goal was there, it took years and many bright minds to work out the how.

This issue is no different.

Back tomorrow.

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SGA says:
July 15th, 2016 at 4:12 pm

Shawn Herles at 4:09 pm

When JFK committed the US to getting a man on the moon, he did not have all the details and necessary planning for that already at hand. Once the goal was there, it took years and many bright minds to work out the how.
This issue is no different.

Sorry, but that’s a bizarre comparison. For a start, the US constitution is silent on moon landings.

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Shawn Herles says:
July 15th, 2016 at 7:48 pm

“dad4justice (7,820 comments) says:
July 15th, 2016 at 7:39 pm

whatever garrett go steal another identity you cowardly disgrace to planet earth.

your mate bb is a disturbed troll who fools suckers like you and other moronic short arse fools lo”

Ugh, had enough. Reported to DPF.

Hi Ho, Hi Ho, It’s back to work I go……. ?
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July 23, 2016 9:34pm
Chuck Bird

The authorities are trying to find a motive.

Did Munich killer lure children to their deaths on Facebook? Police probe fake ad for free food at massacre McDonald’s

witnesses in McDonald’s described hearing yesterday’s attacker shouting “Allahu Akba”, or “God is Great”, a cry used by Islamist terrorists during previous attacks.
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July 23, 2016 9:36pm
starboard

Have you been to Bangkok Rachael ? If not hop onto Youtube, enter Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza..Freelancers..its too big, they will never be able to control it…then you’ve got Pattaya which is run by the Russians…too much money involved, not to mention the bent police AND politicians.
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July 23, 2016 9:36pm
Captain Mainwaring

Sorry Kimbo but scroll-wheel destroyers deserve as many downticks as I’m allowed to give you.
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July 23, 2016 9:41pm
Kimbo

@ Captain Mainwaring

Fair enough. As you no doubt do the same to publicwatchdog and Hugh Pavletich I’ll take my medicine without complaint 😉
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July 23, 2016 9:43pm
Rachael Membery

starboard (5,064 comments) says:

July 23rd, 2016 at 9:36 pm

Heavens Starboard, they have a Plaza just for Nanas? lol Are they all MILF’s or is that GMILF’s? 😉
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July 23, 2016 9:46pm
starboard

lol..pronounced ” Nar Nar ” not Nana
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July 23, 2016 9:50pm
Nostradamus

Starboard:

Im on the straight and narrow Nosty..sometimes I just deviate a little ..

Glad to hear it! You could always count on Scott Chris to help you out if you want to deviate a little?

Actually, Sam Green seems like a helpful chap too, and (thanks to DPF’s ban) he’s been forcefully deprived of D4J’s company for a couple of weeks, so he might be available too.
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July 23, 2016 9:53pm
Rachael Membery

starboard (5,065 comments) says:

July 23rd, 2016 at 9:36 pm

Other than thinking that it is appropriately named, there wouldn’t be anything of my ‘flavour’. not interested in riding an elephant either (demeaning for the poor broken spirited animal) not a euphemism or visiting a temple, so….
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July 23, 2016 9:58pm
starboard

ahhh but the foods outstanding Rachael, the heartbeat of Bangkok, it never sleeps, 24/7 boom boom boom, take a visit to Chinatown and walk the alleyways, soak up the hundreds of years of mystery and intrigue, sit in a den with an old opium pipe smoking Chinese dude, take a ride up the Chao Phraya river…there’s plenty to do.
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July 23, 2016 10:08pm
starboard

scottchris..little boy, way out of his depth, best keep to car grooming and polishing knobs..or towballs or whatever yee call ’em..
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July 23, 2016 10:13pm
Rachael Membery

starboard (5,067 comments) says:

July 23rd, 2016 at 10:13 pm

Plenty of others there, no need for me to crowd the place and I do not even eat Thai in NZ. You do your bit for the economy by the sounds of it. Not the place for a Eurocentric, too many foreigners lol.
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July 23, 2016 10:23pm
sam green

Oh Nostradamus. My eye is for the girls, just like you. I’m confident in my sexuality. Old d4j deserves a little jostling out of his grumpy views. But starboard – I think he’s telling you that he likes the ladyboys from time to time. No judgement.
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July 23, 2016 10:38pm
stigie

Now now sam, you are just putting up a front for ya mrs..?
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July 23, 2016 10:42pm
sam green

Ah stigie … Y’know. ?
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July 23, 2016 11:19pm
Left Right and Centre

Who saw the latest ‘victims’ of some Auckland housing related crap on tv news ?
They were in an illegal garage renting it.
These tenants – what are they, farkin morons ?
Gee – the rent is a bit sweet fuck all. There’s a clue.
hmmm – this looks a bit like a garage.
Look at the state of the place.
No matter – let’s rent here for ages – what – two years ? Fuck me.
Ah nah – we’re gettin sick. Let’s keep staying in the place that’s doing that to us then.
aaaarrururur – we can’t find anywhere else – we’re stuck here. Whatever.

No, you’re not stuck anywhere dickheads – with the helpless victim mentality – find somewhere better.
Ah – we can’t find anywhere else. Really ? You don’t want to *pay* for a proper place.
They took the cheap option – you get what you pay for.
White fella – what a genius he seemed. Could be a ‘team member’ somewhere.
And of course – fat white cow. Nothing in that garage affected her ability to maintain ten layers of blubber. It wasn’t the ‘lose lots of weight down to humanoid shape’ kind of getting sick. Nah – not farkin likely – hahaha. Garage seems about right anyway for people who look like they park their arse all day long.

Rangi power cables going through windows not a giveaway ? They can’t be that retardedly green surely.
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July 24, 2016 2:40am
sbk

Here is a reasonable question for all you Hillary fans…is Grucifer 2.0 Hungarian or Russian …and “”What difference, at this point, does it make?”.
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