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General Debate 12th June 2016

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straya

Morning Trumpsters.

The well oiled electoral machine rolls on!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/politics/mitt-romney-donald-trump-fundraising/index.html
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June 12, 2016 8:02am
Chuck Bird

One of these homosexual is a lawyer. I wonder how many Kiwibloggers donated to them on Givealittle. I have not problem with these guys wanting to suck each other dicks but this type of surrogacy is sick.

Triplings’ fathers tell the world of ‘dangers’ of Mexican surrogacy

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/national-news/80914558/Triplings-fathers-tell-the-world-of-dangers-of-Mexican-surrogacy
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June 12, 2016 8:09am
Paulus

Good to see Wayne Barnes in controversy again !

Without him AB’s could have won 60 – nil
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June 12, 2016 8:09am
All_on_Red

Lol, the Democrats Convention is due to be held in Philidelphia later this month. For security purposes they are GOING TO BUILD A WALL around it. So funny.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Wells-Fargo-Center-Xfinity-Live-to-Be-Inside-Perimeter-Secret-Service-Says-382433501.html
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June 12, 2016 8:12am
EAD

Sometimes those all powerful ethno-centric Eskimos who dominate the world’s MSM, occasionally let the truth slip:

London Jews give hero’s welcome to Muslim mayor Sadiq Khan

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/london-jews-give-hero-muslim-mayor-article-1.2629704

“A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes” – Mark Twain
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June 12, 2016 8:15am
Dennis Horne

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Poor old Donald Drumpf’s
Got a bad case of mumps
Perhaps the orchitis
Explains the mindless
Remarks from his trunks
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June 12, 2016 8:16am
All_on_Red

‘An explosive new report reveals just what it is that the FBI is looking to: emails in which then-Secretary of State Clinton approved CIA drone assassinations in Pakistan with her cellphone.’
http://www.salon.com/2016/06/10/fbi_criminal_investigation_emails_clinton_approved_cia_drone_assassinations_with_her_cellphone_report_says/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Oh dear, that would certainly see her indicted if true.
‘Siri- launch the missiles!’
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June 12, 2016 8:18am
Odakyu-sen

EAD,

I read the article and it all seems kosher to me.

New mayor Kahn “…paid respect Sunday to the millions of Jews slain in the Holocaust as his first public engagement in office — and received a hero’s welcome from London’s Jewish community at the end.”

What’s not to like?
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June 12, 2016 8:46am
straya

Trump is better than Dwight!

https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyesque/status/741721158064734208?p=v
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June 12, 2016 8:53am
tedbear

Yippee, Russia score equaliser in stoppage time.
All the pommie commentators can say is ‘cruel cruel’.
Sure the poms had far more scoring chances but it’s the score at the final whistle that matters.
Best of all, Wales are top of the table.
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June 12, 2016 8:54am
VicParking

MoU are chasing cars again. Every time a report, whatever it is, comes out a MoU spokesperson is there to pronounce its a government policy failure. They however fail each time to say what they would do instead , or more importantly how they would pay for it.
Every time the Government annouces a new SPEND Mr Little and his new love Metiria say they did not spend enough or not on the right thing. Thats what the “Government in waiting” is supposed to do I suppose but the MSM are there to Lap it al, up without checking the facts or asking MoU hard questions like “isn’t that just Bullshit?”
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June 12, 2016 8:56am
Shawn Herles

Obama’s Refugee Policy: Yes to Potential Terrorists, No to Genocide Victims: The troubling statistics.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263121/obamas-refugee-policy-yes-potential-terrorists-no-raymond-ibrahim
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June 12, 2016 9:04am
Shawn Herles

“Lol, the Democrats Convention is due to be held in Philidelphia later this month. For security purposes they are GOING TO BUILD A WALL around it.”

Heh. It’s like those rich Hollywood Liberal actors wanking on about gun control while surrounded by heavily armed private security gaurds.
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June 12, 2016 9:06am
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

One of these homosexual is a lawyer. I wonder how many Kiwibloggers donated to them on Givealittle. I have not problem with these guys wanting to suck each other dicks but this type of surrogacy is sick.

Triplings’ fathers tell the world of ‘dangers’ of Mexican surrogacy

Team GLBT should not be allowed to buy gaybies like lifestyle accessories, let alone ask for handouts to finance it. Gay “marriage rights” need to be dismantled, civil unions are enough for them.
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June 12, 2016 9:07am
Paulus Gnome

I watched a different AB Wales game Paulus
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June 12, 2016 9:07am
stephieboy

From TM,

Trump promise to bring the jobs back USA TODAY exclusive:

Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills

( But don’t expect to be paid for them )

“…However, the consistent circumstances laid out in those lawsuits and other non-payment claims raise questions about Trump’s judgment as a businessman, and as a potential commander in chief. The number of companies and others alleging he hasn’t paid suggests that either his companies have a poor track record hiring workers and assessing contractors, or that Trump businesses renege on contracts, refuse to pay, or consistently attempt to change payment terms after work is complete as is alleged in dozens of court cases.

Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will “protect your job.” But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.

At least 60 lawsuits, along with hundreds of liens, judgments, and other government filings reviewed by the USA TODAY NETWORK, document people who have accused Trump and his businesses of failing to pay them for their work. Among them: a dishwasher in Florida. A glass company in New Jersey. A carpet company. A plumber. Painters. Forty-eight waiters. Dozens of bartenders and other hourly workers at his resorts and clubs, coast to coast. Real estate brokers who sold his properties. And, ironically, several law firms that once represented him in these suits and others.

Trump’s companies have also been cited for 24 violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act since 2005 for failing to pay overtime or minimum wage, according to U.S. Department of Labor data. That includes 21 citations against the defunct Trump Plaza in Atlantic City and three against the also out-of-business Trump Mortgage LLC in New York. Both cases were resolved by the companies agreeing to pay back wages….”

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/politics/usa-today-exclusive-hundreds-allege-donald-trump-doesn’t-pay-his-bills/ar-AAgR9h6?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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June 12, 2016 9:07am
Stars And Stripes

The rugby was boring compared with the action on General Debate last night.
Best show in town.
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June 12, 2016 9:19am
Happychappy

David Shearer saying that John Key visit to Fiji was a absolute disaster,well I think the Labour MP should think and look to the future as someone wether National or Labour had to break the stand off between NZ and Fiji. The difference between John Key and others before him is that insults don’t seem to bother him and his job is for people to see him making a difference in our international relations for the good of NZ.Labour have only one way and that is their way and stuff any and everyone that is in their way
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June 12, 2016 9:23am
Tauhei Notts

Rugby union laws have me a little bit perplexed.
In last night’s game a player passed the ball. That player was 34 metres (see the dotted lines on the Tv) from the Welsh try line, at the time the ball left the passer’s hands.
The receiver of that pass was 31 metres from the Welsh try line when that recipient caught the ball.
And All Black supporters are arguing that the ball was not thrown forward, as the referee judged it to be.
The simple laws of physics say that the referee was correct. So many All Blacks supporters say he was wrong. I am missing something here. What is it?
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June 12, 2016 9:23am
mister nui

Just spent a week in the UK… Casual observer to the Brexit/Bremain vote forthcoming… Most people I encountered are firmly in the Brexit camp, in saying that, I’m not one to hang around wet lefty types who would be voting for them to remain with the failed European experiment.

One thing I did note; a lot of people are not happy with Boris, reckon that he has been far too vocal and in some ways has harmed the Brexit vote. He may have even harmed his chances for the top job, which he so desperately wants.
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June 12, 2016 9:30am
tedbear

Well bugger me KB downtickers, I see the standard sporting allegiances have changed.
In my day, kiwis always supported any team that did as well or better than England and Australia.
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June 12, 2016 9:32am
Lucia Maria

Ukraine is a great European state. Lest we forget, it is still at war

Thanks to the predatory ambitions of Vladimir Putin, Ukraine is the sole European country that is waging war on its own soil. And Kiev has a very 20th century ritual: the daily announcement of the communiqué from the front. At 12.30 precisely, Colonel Andriy Lysenko, a lantern-jawed military spokesman, reads out the latest news from the east, where Ukrainian troops are fighting battles of attrition with Russian forces and their local allies, who occupy about half of the neighbouring regions of Donetsk and Luhansk.
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June 12, 2016 9:35am
big bruv

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How fucking sad are we as a nation?, a game of rugby (a very minor world sport) is all over the front page of the Sunday papers. Frankly its damn embarrassing.

On a brighter note, I see that the uber arrogant NZ under 20 team got thrashed by Ireland. 🙂
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June 12, 2016 9:35am
Colville

Tauhei

Rugby rules says the ball may travel forward as long as the players hands went backwards in the pass.

obviously these guys can be running very fast when they pass the ball (8 M/sec?) so if two players running fast together have the ball travel between them the ball will also be traveling at that speed forwards. That is legal.

Wayne Barnes fucked up last night. Again.
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June 12, 2016 9:36am
Nookin

Tauhei

Almost any pass is likely to be caught closer to the goal line than the point of delivery. That is not the test. The test is the direction of the hand movement and whether the ball was propelled forward. In this case it seemed cleared enough that the balled was not propelled forward. Watch Cruden’s hand movements.
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June 12, 2016 9:40am
mikenmild

But did you stay up all night hoping the U-20s would get beaten, big bruv? I hope that made up for the disappointment of seeing Wales lose to the All Blacks for the 26th time in a row.
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June 12, 2016 9:41am
Tauhei Notts

Colville,
Thank you for enlightening me. I hope you have a wonderful day. My missus wants me to take her out and enjoy a lovely aromatic white wine in the sunshine at some café.
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June 12, 2016 9:42am
itstricky

I have not problem with these guys wanting to suck each other dicks

Chuck, I’m not a professional phsychologist or phsyciatrist but I’m pretty sure you don’t have to be one to tell you that if you come up with a sentence like this out of the blue to define a person, then you pretty much -do- have a problem with these guys for exact that reason.
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June 12, 2016 9:42am
itstricky

Lol, the Democrats Convention is due to be held in Philidelphia later this month. For security purposes they are GOING TO BUILD A WALL around it. So funny.

It is funny, they could almost be… …taking the piss out of Trump.
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June 12, 2016 9:43am
Shawn Herles

I thought the rugby last night was very good. A new AB team won against a fired up and tough Welsh side. The game was close for mouch of the match, which is always more entertaining than an overly one sided game. It’s going to take time for the new team to settle in, but they did well.
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June 12, 2016 9:44am
wiseowl

Chuck
It is blatant child abuse.Those two make one want to throw up.
They should accept the fact that being homosexual means you accept that you can’t reproduce.
I feel for these kids and in the future there will be huge problems from confused ,screwed up teenagers that have been deprived of the most basic requirements in life.
A mother and a father.
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June 12, 2016 9:46am
mister nui

You’re a miserable cunt, big bruv. I’m not a huge rugby follower, but i don’t get all het up because other people may follow it and enjoy it. For fucks sake man, live and let live, that is supposed to be the ethos of a rightie, isn’t it.

Nobody gives you grief about all the chicken choking you do.
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June 12, 2016 9:46am
Colville

So Baby Ireland “thrashed” the Baby Blacks by 9 points?

So what level of smashing did the All blacks hand out to the Welsh national team last night when beating them by 19 points which should have been a 24 point margin but for the inept calling of the sour faced Pom.

Disclaimer. I picked the Blacks to win by a 21 point margin so I wont the scotch, I would have missed out if the extra try was awarded I am not unhappy 🙂
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June 12, 2016 9:46am
flipper

Tauhei Notts (2,295 comments) says:

June 12th, 2016 at 9:23

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Go look at the slo-mo TV replays on your Sky HDI.

The laws state that the ball must be directed backwards” at the time of release.

The Welsh media (Walesonline.co.uk) think the call was wrong.

As it happened, it made no difference. BUT…. the TMO, with the benefit of slow-mo and DME determined that the ball had been PROPELLED BACKWARD. Barnes, being a smart arse Pom and ex Crown Prosecutor, ignored the advice.

I dont think Read or Hansen are unduly upset. But I did notice that Cruden demonstrated the backward motion to the Referee…..

My guess is that Barnes will be told by the WR referees panel to do better.
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June 12, 2016 9:46am
stephieboy

Lucia Maria, and Trump who wants to be big pals with Putin would likely put an independent Ukraine on the chopping block,

Trump’s foreign policy adviser Paul Mantafort was strategist advisor and lobbyist for the corrupt and ousted former President Viktor Yanukovych.,GWB strongly objected to Mantafort’s role with Yanukovych.

http://www.kyivpost.com/article/opinion/op-ed/samuel-ramani-what-a-trump-presidency-might-mean-for-ukraine-414444.html
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June 12, 2016 9:53am
dad4justice

hey bigot blouse how is my timid and cowardly fan club today? lol.
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June 12, 2016 9:57am
holysheet

Just saw the apologist for the special people child killers on Q & A. The childrens commissioner stated the main killers of these kids are whanau and caregivers. Then he goes on to state we, (meaning the poor suffering taxpayer) have to step in and get access to these at risk children BEFORE they are born.

Does he actualy believe what he says? If the main killers are caregivers who do not give birth to the children, how can anyone step in prior to birth and take the child?
And we pay this dumbass 100,000’s of dollars to say this shit.
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June 12, 2016 9:58am
EAD

Hi Odakyu,

It’s just that for years now, the Eskimos who control the MSM have been bleating how rising Islamic influence is causing the Jews living in Britain to “flee”, i.e:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11393427/Were-leaving-Britain-Jews-arent-safe-here-any-more.html

Do you not think it odd that “Jewish Londoners are in fact heartened by their newest Islamic mayor” given we’re led to believe Islam is Judaism’s mortal threat?
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June 12, 2016 10:00am
EAD

Veterans Today – one of the best Alt Media going:

http://www.veteranstodaymoney.com/2016/05/how-unsound-money-fuels-unsound-government-spending/

Sound money advocates are often hit with the charge of being “doom and gloomers.” Yes, we do warn that unsound monetary policies enable unsustainable fiscal commitments, which will lead eventually to a currency crisis.

However, we are not pessimists or killjoys by nature. To the contrary, we are quite optimistic about the ability of genuinely free markets to generate ever greater levels of prosperity for ever greater numbers of people. To advocate hard money, as in a gold and/or silver standard, is simply to be a hard-nosed realist about the dangers of giving governments the power to issue unbacked fiat currencies.

The case for hard money is based on the proposition that real wealth is generated by productive activity in the real economy. When governments and central banks assume the power to set interest rates artificially low, to expand the supply of money and credit at will, and to bail out “too big to fail” financial institutions, they are engaging in massive wealth transfers. They are stealing purchasing power away from productive workers in the real economy and transferring it to bankers and bureaucrats

For more info, read “The Creature from Jekyll Island” (link below)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0912986212?pc_redir=T1
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June 12, 2016 10:09am
All_on_Red

‘It is funny, they could almost be… …taking the piss out of Trump.’
Or, they could be really really afraid of what all those ‘peaceful’ Bernie supporters are going to do. I mean, the left are sooo peaceful aren’t they- snigger.
You’ve also got to laugh (or cry) at the naivity and ignorance of some posters here who keep raising the failure of Trumps Atlantic City casinos. They ALL failed in Atlantic City. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29226159
‘There are too many casinos and not enough gamblers. The regional gambling market has grown by less than 1% since 2001. Over the same period, 14 rival casinos have opened up in nearby states.
In an industry already reeling from the Great Recession, it has been hard to persuade out-of-state gamblers to drive past casinos closer to home, and to beat a path to Atlantic City.
For Donald Trump, who 30 years saw Atlantic City as a rival for Las Vegas, it has been galling to watch.
Recently, he’s distanced himself from the casinos that bear his name. The property tycoon owns just 10% of Trump Entertainment Resorts, and has taken legal action to have his name removed from the properties.
He complained it was damaging his personal and corporate brand.
“A lot of it has to do with poor political management and a lot of has to, frankly, with too much competition,” he told me, in the boardroom of Trump Tower, his headquarters on Fifth Avenue in New York.
“Casinos are opening all over the East Coast, and in the end they are just going to cannibalise and kill themselves.
“It’s sad for Atlantic City. I know so many people there still to this day, and they’re wonderful people, and now they don’t have jobs, so it’s a very sad thing.”

The other thing is the law suits. I’ve been associated with the Construction industry for years. Disputes about quality of work etc do happen. It is not uncommon. And go figure, a Developer doesn’t want to pay someone who did a shit job! Given the scale of Trumps endeavours it’s hardly surprising he has had a lot. I’d wager quite a lot here have had issues with Tradespeople.
I bet he has had disputes with his Bankers too. That happens here as well. I’ve seen it. It’s just what happens in Development.
But hey, ignorance won’t stop the grasping of straws from the Left when they smear. The thing is the American version of ‘Waitakare’ man who supports Trump sees through it. That’s why the Media is rated so poorly.
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June 12, 2016 10:09am
Viking2

holysheet (1,541 comments) says:
June 12th, 2016 at 9:58 am

Just saw the apologist for the special people child killers on Q & A. The childrens commissioner stated the main killers of these kids are whanau and caregivers. Then he goes on to state we, (meaning the poor suffering taxpayer) have to step in and get access to these at risk children BEFORE they are born.

Does he actualy believe what he says? If the main killers are caregivers who do not give birth to the children, how can anyone step in prior to birth and take the child?
And we pay this dumbass 100,000’s of dollars to say this shit.
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Try walking in his shoes and maybe you will understand.
He is passionate, and if you had any idea you would know he is on the right track.
Far from being dumb he is well qualified in pediatrics.

I do think the “We” isn’t right but as he also pointed out somebody has to take leadership and it will be the govt.
Tolley is also right about the action needed. In most of the cases its about neglect, lack of learning, lack of empathy and often about years of poor living training which is generational.
Getting to grips with it will lower our crime rates and so on.

Attacking the messenger is typical.
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June 12, 2016 10:11am
Chuck Bird

@itstricky 9:42 am

I am just highly pissed that homosexuals demands seem to never stop. Their type of surrogacy is sick and should not be allowed.
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June 12, 2016 10:13am
Awww C-mon

D4J you jumped up little fuckwit, why don’t you reach into your pants, check if your a man and apologise to NW.
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June 12, 2016 10:16am
itstricky

But hey, ignorance won’t stop the grasping of straws from the Left when they smear.

If your Presidential candidate thinks it’s a good idea to build a wall against another country to keep out immigrants, you don’t really need to “grasp at straws”. It’s pretty much handed to you on a plate.

A wall! Yes, a wall! Think about it, a wall! It’s a wall! Yes, he really said “wall”! He really thinks its a good idea to build a wall. Should he ring Merkel and ask her how she got on with hers back in the day? Should he ring Jinping and ask him for some tips on brick work? Hey, it’s a wall!
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June 12, 2016 10:17am
mikenmild

If Trump were to build his wall, expect a leap in demand for for tunelling equipment and sea transport. I suppose next thing they would need would be a wall along the Gulf and California coasts as well…
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June 12, 2016 10:21am
Viking2

The Inland Revenue Department is among creditors owed money by Graeme Hart’s UCI Holdings, the autoparts business that filed for bankruptcy in the US to restructure what became an unmanageable debt.

In the High Court in Auckland, Justice Matthew Palmer today granted an application which would empower the Chapter 11 filing UCI made under the US Bankruptcy Code, which effectively lets the company reorganise its business while retaining control of the assets to prevent creditors from mounting legal action.

As at June 2, UCI owed Credit Suisse and Hart’s Rank Group Finance Holdings US$69 million under a revolving credit arrangement, US$400 million to bondholders, NZ$5.2 million in related party debt, and NZ$7 million to the IRD, the judgment shows.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11653517

Time to sell the boat or 2 then?
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June 12, 2016 10:21am
stephieboy

All on Red,

“Better late than never. Whether it was Trump’s scam Trump University or his attempt to take an old widow’s house in Atlantic City for the purposes of building a parking garage for limousines, the layers are starting to be peeled away and the reveal is Donald Trump, the man who doesn’t give a crap about the little guy.

What we’re seeing emerge is a pattern over a long period of time of Trump, taking advantage of the little guy and not caring about it. One of those stories is Trump’s use of illegal Polish immigrants during the construction of Trump Tower in the early 1980’s. The video below is about 5 minutes long but it is worth watching. There are more details from different stories below that:

A class action lawsuit was filed in 1983 and as this story from the NY Times in 1998 shows, it still had not been worked out:…”

http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2016/02/26/trump-ripped-off-illegal-polish-immigrants/

PS volunteering for the Brickwork on the 1,900 mile wall ?
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June 12, 2016 10:22am
holysheet

Viking2 you still haven’t answered the question
How do you take the child away from the perpetrators of the murders at birth.
He’s the one who said it was the caregivers committing these murders, not the mothers alone.
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June 12, 2016 10:23am
James Stephenson

Rugby union laws have me a little bit perplexed.
In last night’s game a player passed the ball. That player was 34 metres (see the dotted lines on the Tv) from the Welsh try line, at the time the ball left the passer’s hands.
The receiver of that pass was 31 metres from the Welsh try line when that recipient caught the ball.

It’s called “frames of reference” in Physics, both passer and receiver are moving forwards and it’s the ball’s flight relative to them that’s important. Compare with the “worlds’s longest putt” down the aisle of an aeroplane. Having said that, ignore Cruden’s hands because he’s whipped his over the ball to spin it, look at the angle of flight relative to his chest – it’s forwards.
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June 12, 2016 10:26am
Dennis Horne

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There was a boy blogger called Red
Who was fooled by what Trumpy said
So he rubs is hands with glee
Although he’s covered in pee
‘Cos he has wet the bed
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June 12, 2016 10:27am
thedavincimode

You still have time to delete that.
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June 12, 2016 10:29am
renderer

D4J I am surprised you have the temerity to post back on GD after the shit you posted then deleted last night.
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June 12, 2016 10:31am
stephieboy

EAD, these review sof The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve by G. Edward Griffin puts the piece of rubbish in its context and place .A valuable lesson in crackpot conspiracy theories ,

Interesting that Willie Nelson gives it his thumbs up ! A well studied economist and country singer too ?

https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/0912986212/ref=acr_dpx_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&showViewpoints=0
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June 12, 2016 10:35am
stigie

Dad, you are a fucking maggot and a wimp for abusing decent people on Kiwiblog when it’s not warranted.

I am surprised you were not banned for your outburst and coming close to another meltdown !~
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June 12, 2016 10:42am
dad4justice

lol have a great day. I am off to BMX track with my grandson.
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June 12, 2016 10:43am
thedavincimode

Go for it dad – you’re a role model for fatherhood.

Look out for any narking black bush pigs you come across. Best wear the white uniform just in case – the one with the hat.
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June 12, 2016 10:51am
Awww C-mon

Hope you don’t talk to your grandson in the same way you did to NW last night you fucking maggot
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June 12, 2016 10:53am
thedavincimode

Awww C-mon

Go easy on him. I expect it was just a case of the day getting off to a bad start when he woke up and realised he hadn’t brushed his teeth after a big night out in Hagley Park. Then Saturday morning in the store with the usual procession of hippos after size 9 shoes for size 20 feet.
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June 12, 2016 10:58am
Stars And Stripes

Renderer- “D4J I am surprised you have the temerity to post back on GD after the shit you posted then deleted last night.”

Just to clarify, he did not delete it as it was still there when I went to bed last night but had disappeared this morning, so I can only assume the moderator did.
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June 12, 2016 11:08am
DifferentPerspective

More trouble for the religion of Climate Alarmism

WOBH has picked up an NBR story showing how our (not that highly really) respected Royal Soicety of NZ has been lying bearing in mind that their members benefit (through keeping their (for the most part) welfare low grade science jobs because of the blush of funding for anything supporting climate alarmism) it’s fairly clear they’re conflicted and about as trustworthy as the journos that report their tosh.
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June 12, 2016 11:09am
Brigitte

There was a man Dennis Horne
Who wrote limericks from dawn
But on General Debate
They didn’t rate
Which left him rather forlorn
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June 12, 2016 11:12am
sooty

I have a rude question! How many turned up for Penny Brights march? I can find no mention of it.
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June 12, 2016 11:12am
cha

Germany’s going there.

It is odd that anyone who claims to support press freedom and personal liberty would take extended refuge in Vladimir Putin’s Russia, where the population is much more tightly watched by the intelligence services than in any Western country, and where journalists who oppose the regime are harassed and even murdered.

BfV President Hans-Georg Maaßen has waded into this controversy by stating that Snowden is likely not who he pretends to be. “Dies wäre eine Spionage-Operation verbunden mit einer Desinformations- und Einflussnahme-Operation,” he stated: “Ein Keil würde getrieben zwischen die USA und deren engste Verbündete, insbesondere Deutschland.” That Snowden is in fact a Russian agent “hat eine hohe Plausibilität,” Maaßen added.

http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/edward-snowden/speaks-in-german-46236466.bild.html
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June 12, 2016 11:25am
Happychappy

You keep reading story’s pimping the poor and sooner or later the people printing the lies will do a column proving that is the case.Awhile ago now Stuff and the NZ Herald did a story pimping Kaitaia pentioner Selwyn Clark a Veteran Soldier who had said he had Served in the 28th Maori Battalion and had his Pension stopped for having a charge of Trespassing,both of these papers went all out about a veteran who had Served his country should have this happen against popular belief that the man had never served in the 28th Battalion.Now this morning the Herald News online have this to say,(The last Maori Battalion Survivor Dies) The last survivor of the 28th Maori Battalion a Company ” Gum Diggers ” Charlie Peters has died aged 92.
So the moral of this story is these two Media outlets have told lies to help a man without looking up the facts to do a hit on the Government and should publish a oppoligy.
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June 12, 2016 11:45am
big bruv

I do hope that DPF deals with the unforgivable abuse handed out by D4J last evening. That sort of blatant racist abuse should be tolerated on this blog.
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June 12, 2016 12:13pm
cha

heh

Tom Nichols
‏@RadioFreeTom

For years, I fought the stereotype that liberals are smart and conservatives are stupid.
Six months of Trump, and it’s back to square one.

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/741663070527848448

edit: fun times ahead

The Hill Verified account
‏@thehill

Kristol: Conservatives will need a new party after Trump http://hill.cm/PtN4Z1H

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/741713129646784512
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June 12, 2016 12:17pm
mikenmild

Business as usual in Jesusland: moralistic creeps denying health care to vulnerable people:
https://www.texasobserver.org/hiv-planned-parenthood-harris-county/
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June 12, 2016 12:25pm
cha

High ranking moralistic creeps creeping.

https://rewire.news/article/2016/06/01/blackburn-reveals-fetal-tissue-researchers-identities-call-federal-abortion-inquiry/
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June 12, 2016 12:34pm
Lucia Maria

First the English fans, and now Irish and Polish fans are attacked by hooligans in France:

Euro 2016: Russian Ultra football hooligans pledge to bring chaos ahead of England’s opening match
Violence in Nice as Northern Ireland and Poland fans attacked by local hooligans

The first article identifies the attackers of the English as Russian, but the second just calls them “Nice Ultras” and locals. As far as I can tell, Nice is heavily Russian.

Russians who targeted the English appeared to be highly organised, as they attempted karate moves and singled out individuals for beatings.

One hooligan said England fans were “too old, fat and drunk” to put up a decent fight against them.

One England fan in Marseille was punched repeatedly in the face and kicked, before being thrown in the Mediterranean by the Russians.

Since Russians are predominantly white, I’m guessing this isn’t that much of a big deal.
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June 12, 2016 12:45pm
Northland Wahine

BB, him suggesting you kill yourself, then removing it and denying he posted it in the first place left me in disbelief.

Own your fuck ups I say. But in his case, I won’t hold my breath.

And appreciate the support folks.
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June 12, 2016 12:48pm
All_on_Red

There was an old fool called Dennis
Who as a Pilot was a real menace
He had a bad crash
Which made a very big splash
And shrivelled his wormy little penis
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June 12, 2016 1:07pm
big bruv

Wahine

Don’t worry about what he says to me on here, he has sent me emails that are much more aggressive than that. It does not worry me to be honest, I actually think he is more than slightly unhinged.

As for what he had to say last night to you, whilst I do not doubt you are big enough to look after yourself I am old fashioned enough to be unable to let a comment like that pass without saying something. It is no wonder that D4J has had on going problems with females, he clearly is a shocking misogynist.
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June 12, 2016 1:10pm
stigie

“BB, him suggesting you kill yourself, then removing it and denying he posted it in the first place left me in disbelief.”

Well NW, that’s what you call a first class maggot !~
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June 12, 2016 1:12pm
Stars And Stripes

big bruv (15,465 comments) says:

June 12th, 2016 at 12:13 pm

“I do hope that DPF deals with the unforgivable abuse handed out by D4J last evening.”

The verdict is in.
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June 12, 2016 1:43pm
Shawn Herles

“moralistic creeps denying health care to vulnerable people:”

Killing babies isin’t health care mikey. The real vulnerable people are the child victims of abortion doctors, otherwise known by those of us who speak plainly and honestly, as serial killers.

Also, someone who thinks most parents are no better than Mongrel Mob members, and that Leftist teachers are better able to teach children values and beliefs than their parents, is really not in a position to be calling other people “moralistic.”
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June 12, 2016 1:53pm
stephieboy

shawn Herles , there you are on the way grossly misrepresenting the issue , as the mad Geller Coulter , Spencer and you ,try to impose a Christian based theocratic totalitarian tyranny on an unsuspecting public !
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June 12, 2016 1:59pm
Shawn Herles

“as you attempt to impose a christian based theocratic totalitarian tyranny on an unsuspecting public !”

LMAO!!! 🙂

You’re atarting to sound as batshit crazy and paranoid as Reid stephie!
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June 12, 2016 2:02pm
Shawn Herles

Wahine, you did the right thing. D4J was well out of bounds.
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June 12, 2016 2:04pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles , but it’s the Truth,

“Trump Regales Supporters With Terrifying Vision Of Christian Theocracy

http://reverbpress.com/politics/trump-christians-theocracy/
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June 12, 2016 2:06pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn Herles , but it’s the Truth,”

Yeah, no. I read that sily bit of Lefty trash you posted, and it was basically a paranoid conspiracy theory little different to Reid’s nonsense, full of daft claims and outright falsehoods.

Good for a laugh though! 🙂
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June 12, 2016 2:11pm
stigie

Well, well, i see Mad Dad got a 2 weeks holiday, bloody good show for a unhinged person !~
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June 12, 2016 2:15pm
stephieboy

Shawn Herles , no laughing matter when the vision of Trump, Geller, Spencer , Coulter and you are taken in combination !
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June 12, 2016 2:16pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn Herles , no laughing matter when the vision of Trump, Geller, Spencer , Coulter and you are taken in combination !”

Geller is a libertarian and an atheist. Spencer as far as I know is also not a Christian. I doubt either is trying to impose a Christian theocracy on anyone. And neither is anyone else on your list.

Your claim is rubbish. Issues like marriage and abortion have been part of the Republican platform for decades. They are well known, and people know that when they vote, so claiming that they are trying to “impose” anything on an “unsuspecting” public is nonsense.

Also, if a conservative party is voted in, then the policies they put in place have a democratic mandate, and thus are not remotely “theocratic” or totalitarian.

And, given that you recently approved of Obama’s idea of criminalizing opposition to AGW, you are not in a position to be accusing others of totalitarian tendencies. Not to mention the fact that you approve of imposing by force mass immigration and multiculturalism against the wishes of a clear majority of voters in most Western countries.

The only totalitarian in this debate is you stepie.
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June 12, 2016 2:28pm
Lucia Maria

Just read this: Hundreds of England fans run for their lives as they are attacked by Russian thugs INSIDE Marseille stadium after 1-1 draw – as one fan is left fighting for his life following brutal violence during the day

Mass brawl breaks out in stadium after Russian fans rip down English flags and chase hundreds across terraces. Supporters were seen hurling themselves over railings and frantic parents holding children, as they try to escape. UEFA to launch disciplinary proceedings regarding crowd incidents with Russia set to face sterner punishment.

Way to go, Russians.
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June 12, 2016 3:29pm
Northland Wahine

Lucia, sounds like typical European soccer hooligans. Goodness knows the English hooligans are renown for it.
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June 12, 2016 3:42pm
Shawn Herles

“after a 1-1 draw”

See, this is why there are so many soccer hooligans. The game itself is bloody boring. They sit for well over an hour at a game in which sweet fa actually happens! Of course they riot!

Notice you never hear much if anything about Rugby hooligans? Why? Because unlike soccer the game is actually entertaining! 🙂
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June 12, 2016 3:46pm
Northland Wahine

Ahhhh Shaun, football really is the beautiful game. Only became interested because my boy loves playing in. And while most of the European fans are well behaved, it also attracts some unsavoury hooligans.
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June 12, 2016 3:55pm
Komata

In respect of ‘soccer hooliganism’ it would seem that the ‘English’ chickens have come home to roost. Some of us would recall the various incidents that got ‘Brit’ hooligans (Chelsea especially) banned throughout Europe.

Who would have thought that they’d be on the receiving end…

‘If you can’t stand it, don’t dish it’ would seem to be a good piece of advice; shame they didn’t heed it.
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June 12, 2016 4:03pm
Lucia Maria

Well, looks like the Russian hooligans caused their team to lose 6 points in Poland during the EURO 2012. And the same might happen after this incident, according to this article on Reuters.

Apparently, a number of them were wearing balaclavas, so it seems they went along to the match with the intention of causing trouble. Personally, I think it’s a lot more organised than just pure hooliganism.
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June 12, 2016 4:13pm
Northland Wahine

Organised riots are nothing new to the sport. Was it Loius Theroux who did a documentary on it a few years ago?
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June 12, 2016 4:18pm
Lucia Maria

OMG, EAD’s favourite website, Veteran’s Today, is blaming all the football violence on Ukrainians!

BREAKING NEWS: Ukrainian Pravy Sektor Nazis attack England fans in Marseille

Oh dear.
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June 12, 2016 4:24pm
Stars And Stripes

Why this woman breastfeeds her boyfriend
“The last time she gave birth was 20 years ago, but this mother has begun breastfeeding again. Only this time around, it’s her boyfriend.
According to The Sun thirty-six-year-old Jennifer Mulford has taken time off from her job as a bartender to work on an Adult Breastfeeding Relationship (ABR).”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11652798

Wonder how long before some freak decides to do this in NZ and then starts a pressure group to demand public recognition and special facilities to cater for them.
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June 12, 2016 4:26pm
Northland Wahine

Stripes, I’m all for breastfeeding babies in public discreetly, buggered if I want to see a grown man breast fed in public.
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June 12, 2016 4:29pm
Stars And Stripes

NW- No arguments from me on that one. Think those two need to see the man in white coats actually.
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June 12, 2016 4:32pm
Manolo

What’s new?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/10/clinton-aide-accused-getting-top-donor-on-nuclear-advisory-board.html
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June 12, 2016 4:35pm
Shawn Herles

“Jennifer Mulford has taken time off from her job as a bartender to work on an Adult Breastfeeding Relationship (ABR)”

Oh good. Another bunch of sick freaks who will demand that the rest of society bend over backwards to accomadate and affirm their sickness.

Are we going to have to start saying LBGTABR?
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June 12, 2016 4:41pm
Shawn Herles

“Ahhhh Shaun, football really is the beautiful game.”

Heh. That post was tongue in cheek on my part. I’m just curious to see how many downticks it gets. 🙂
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June 12, 2016 4:43pm
Rachael Membery

big bruv (15,465 comments) says:

June 12th, 2016 at 12:13 pm

I do hope that DPF deals with the unforgivable abuse handed out by D4J last evening. That sort of blatant racist abuse should be tolerated on this blog.

I assume you meant ‘not’.
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June 12, 2016 5:19pm
Longknives

Re the Breastfeeding- Not my ‘cup of tea’ (excuse the pun).
But I’m not too concerned what consenting adults get up to in their own bedrooms- What does concern me is how ‘fashionable’ it is to cross-dress and raise your kid as a ‘Transgender’..
For Christ’s sake just let kids be kids- keep them out of your LGBT Activism!
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June 12, 2016 5:31pm
Nostradamus

I’ve just visited Redbaiter’s blog and read this post:

While flying into an Australian international airport recently a Customs official grabbed my immigration card, marked it and gave it back to me. Good I thought, I’m going to get passed through. I was wrong. I was taken aside from other passengers and forced to stand in a line with about a dozen other unfortunates. Then we waited while a dog and handler was arranged and run along the line, vigorously sniffing us all as we stood there.

Nothing was found and we were told we could leave. I objected to what had happened but the Customs officers said something like “too bad you’re upset mate”.

In fact these ignorant misguided heavily uniformed power drunk thugs had just breached one of the most basic tenets of Western civilisation, being that no one who is not under suspicion of committing a crime should be stopped and searched by authorities (police, customs whoever) while going about their lawful business.

My protests along these lines to the officers concerned fell on completely deaf ears.

Redbaiter’s experience isn’t unusual – I’ve seen a 90-something-year-old lady asked to remove her shoes, for goodness knows what security reason, and walk barefoot through the screening gate. The poor old lady was so confused that she had no idea what was happening.

The image of Redbaiter being forced to stand alongside Marxist scum, while sniffer dogs lick him, is slightly amusing though!
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