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Monique Watson

Anyone starts banging on about the evils of Islam deserves to have an abortion debate unleashed on them. ‘Kay? Give it a rest for a couple of days.
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March 22, 2016 1:28pm
Jack5

No not okay, Monique (1.28)

Open forum, rave on, everyone.

In the meantime, some really good reading: Trump has been at a citadel of US liberalism, the Washington Post, and the newspaper has put up on its site a transcription of the discussion between Trump and its journos.

Look out NATO!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/21/donald-trump-reveals-foreign-policy-team-in-meeting-with-the-washington-post/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trump-foreign-1pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
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March 22, 2016 1:36pm
G152

Looking at the news item last night about the school
with only water to drink there were a couple of kids who
looked to be in the obese range.
And the teacher who featured wasn’t a lightweight.
They could do with some sort of sweetener to take the
sourness out of their lives
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March 22, 2016 1:43pm
Hajji

The USA is indirectly to blame for many of the woes facing the West.

During the Cold War the US guaranteed the security of Western Europe.

That in itself was not a problem. In fact it was a good thing.

The problem arose that the US was NOT SENDING THE EUROPEANS THE BILL.

Freed from the financial and moral responsibility for their own defence, the lefties were able to shirk genuine employment and productivity while sipping lattes in London, Paris, Rome (and Auckland) and sneer at the ‘Americans’ (dunno what the majority of ‘American’s’ who DON’T live in the USA thought of that opprobrium!) and marvel at European ‘Socialism’.

God went out the door along with the next generations of babies.

Now Europe is filling up with the adults (from the ME) they were too lazy and greedy to produce themselves, and gone is their ‘productivity’ which has been overtaken by highly motivated Asians.

50 years ago you could outsmart an Asian, just by having attended school (the Asians were too busy living hand-to-mouth). My, my, what an equaliser is the internet!
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March 22, 2016 1:50pm
Paulus Gnome

Headline: ‘Driver pursued by cops from North Shore to Waikato stole second car at gunpoint midway through chase’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11609629

I am giving odds on it being a ‘special’ person.
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March 22, 2016 1:53pm
Happychappy

So in 2000 it was alright for Helen Clark to settle her legal dispute with John Yelash for $55000. out of Crown accounts and today John Key has been told he can not see Parliamentary funds to settle his
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March 22, 2016 1:58pm
stephieboy

Jack 5, seems like a rather vague piece of typical Trump pre match jibber jabber ,

I take it he has now had a re think about taking out and securing the ISIS oil fields including bombing the shit out of them ?

Do his shadow defence spokesman also support his aim to reintroduce water boarding and other kinds of extreme torture including murdering the families of Jihadist Terrorists

Wage economic war on China and Mexico ?

Make Mexico build the “10 ft “ higher border wall ??

and,

Trump the savvy negotiator ,

“…But Trump — author of The Art of the Deal — believes that through the power of personal charisma and dealmaking, he and Putin should be able to come to terms on Syria, Ukraine, and other issues of mutual concern… “

The Russian re annexation of Ukraine ?

“It’s time to start taking Donald Trump’s scary foreign policy views seriously,”

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/10/10960124/donald-trump-foreign-policy-isis
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March 22, 2016 1:59pm
flipper

As we try to absorb the ins and outs of politics in the USofA, and look forward to more blood sport from Australia in the near future, the following might lighten the day:

If God wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates .
~Jay Leno~

The problem with political jokes is they get elected.
~Henry Cate, VII~

We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.
~Aesop~

If we got one-tenth of what was promised to us in these State of the Union speeches, there wouldn’t be any inducement to go to heaven.
~Will Rogers~

Politicians are the same all over.
They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river.
~Nikita Khrushchev~

When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I’m beginning to believe it.
~Clarence Darrow~

Why pay money to have your family tree traced; go into politics and your opponents will do it for you.
~Author unknown~

Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel.
~John Quinton~

Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other.
~Oscar Ameringer~

I offer my opponents a bargain:
if they will stop telling lies about us,
I will stop telling the truth about them.
~Adlai Stevenson, campaign speech, 1952~

A politician is a fellow who will lay down your life for his country.
~ Tex Guinan~

I have come to the conclusion that politics is too serious a matter to be left to the politicians.
~Charles de Gaulle~

Instead of giving a politician the keys to the city,it might be better to change the locks.
~Doug Larson~

There ought to be one day — just one —
when there is open season on Congressmen.
~Will Rogers~

If you want a real friend that you can trust in Washington, get a dog.
– Harry Truman –
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March 22, 2016 2:03pm
DifferentPerspective

Monique Watson – apropos what?

Or was that just some strange Turrette-ish online outburst? And what’s the abortion debate got to do with the indisputable evils of Islam?
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March 22, 2016 2:04pm
JMS

“…But Trump — author of The Art of the Deal — believes that through the power of personal charisma and dealmaking, he and Putin should be able to come to terms on Syria, Ukraine, and other issues of mutual concern… “

Trump recently ran a TV ad suggesting Clinton would be soft on Putin. The ad actually summed up Trump perfectly; full of contradictions and inconsistencies, and with no capacity to detect irony.
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March 22, 2016 2:09pm
Andrei

Actually JMS the Ad actually suggested that Putin would think Hillary Clinton is a joke

And she is – a very sick joke at that.
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March 22, 2016 2:15pm
mikenmild

Did you say ‘abortion’, Monique?
How about an update from Jesusland?
So Florida wants to stop women using Planned Parenthood clinics, right? However, they have an obligation to show that women will still be able to access reproductive and sexual healthcare. So where do they recommend women go: dentists, optometrists or schools.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/19/defund-planned-parenthood-florida-bill-dentist-reproductive-care-alternatives
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March 22, 2016 2:17pm
UglyTruth

Suicide bomber kills four, wounds 36 in Istanbul shopping district
ISTANBUL | By Nick Tattersall and Ayla Jean Yackley

“There is information that it is an attack carried out by an ISIS member, but this is preliminary information, we are still checking it,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told reporters, using another name for Islamic State.

But wait….

https://youtu.be/D-53XYzn6Gk

Starts at 2:35 for the impatient.
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March 22, 2016 2:21pm
Awww C-mon

Happy Chappy

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0106/S00259/clark-urged-to-repay-yelash-money-to-taxpayer.htm

Geez, that makes it uncomfortable for everyone, except the greens and winston probably but do they count?

IMO, National Party should pay not PM’s office.

No wonder so many of us dis-trust politicians… what a cluster fuck
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March 22, 2016 2:25pm
JMS

Actually JMS the Ad actually suggested that Putin would think Hillary Clinton is a joke.

In international relations, being too soft / being a joke, are essentially the same thing.

And she is – a very sick joke at that

Indeed she is, as are Trump and Putin.
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March 22, 2016 2:28pm
Gulag1917

Zionist maniacs

Clinton: Destroy Syria for Israel
A newly-released Hilary Clinton email confirmed that the Obama administration has deliberately provoked the civil war in Syria as the “best way to help Israel.”

In an indication of her murderous and psychopathic nature, Clinton also wrote that it was the “right thing” to personally threaten Bashar Assad’s family with death.
http://newobserveronline.com/clinton-destroy-syria-israel/
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March 22, 2016 2:35pm
UglyTruth

Zionist maniacs

It was ISIS! No, wait, it was the PKK! No wait, it never happened!

https://youtu.be/D-53XYzn6Gk
Security footage starts at 2:35
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March 22, 2016 2:41pm
Gulag1917

Not to mention all the illegal landgrabs and all the whacko Christian supporters.
McCully calls Israel land grab ‘unhelpful’
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11607325
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March 22, 2016 2:46pm
howitis

Fonterra and Auckland Council are so similar.
Created this century from less than ideal mergers.

No efficiency gains from a merger but a replacement model that is ‘too big to fail’ but does so anyway
Excessive expenditure on PR
Excessive number of ‘klingons’
Excessive salaries and the justification for this is the irony of a government-made merger. i.e.
The new body is ‘so much larger than before’ by definition therefore ‘it is bigger ….so staff have to be paid more’.

Terrible woes with computer systems- the German SAP involved in each case – with massive overruns without co-requisite gains in information productivity.

A castle mentality within, even though each body is there to ‘work in the best interests of its key stakeholders’ .
Fonterra for the farmer/owners;
Council for the ratepayers and citizens.
Suppliers and business partners fit into the stakeholder category.

Excessive board sizes that don’t allow easy decision making
14 directors for Fonterra;
Fonterra is meant to be addressing this .
20 councillors for Council.
Council needs representation. I mean Niue has 1000 people and 20 MPs. Now that is democracy 🙂 Sadly the quality of the 20 councillors from a pool of 1,5000,000 people is very, very low.

Both could benefit from a zero-based design from ground up that strips out circa 3000 to 4000 soft job roles.
Both could benefit from better focus on output especially maximum extracted value from output.
Council – core activity only; a comprehensive points based model for justification of any expenditure/investment outside core activity. e.g. non-core activity spend to be no more than 25% of core activity price annualised.
Fonterra – better value than 25 kg brown paper bags of milk powder that others add value to.
So many areas for improvement. I am not sure where these > 20 staff with more than $1,000,000 pa salaries add value. I state categorically they do not.
Spierings gross annual remuneration could buy a fully loaded 300-cow farm each year!
Allowing Nestle and NZ Natural to make the value-add money and pissing off Danone. It’s looking like a rigged sporting event. The top three executives have each been in NZ less than five years : Spierings, Paravicini, Chow.

Cripes I thought the ‘atomisation’ of Carter Holt Harvey in 2001 was bad. More like an explosion. Or the letter stocks at Fletchers. These mergers are no better.
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March 22, 2016 2:57pm
Manolo

Who wouldn’t laugh?
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/sport/more-sports/tv-hosts-lose-it-over-porn-addicted-runner-and-climax/ar-BBqKIK2?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignoutmd

“All credit to Nick Willis, because Willis was the man who turned that into such an incredible climax,” the commentator says, unaware of both the runner’s battle with pornography addiction and his pun.

The light-hearted show then cut back to hosts Andrew Mulligan and a grinning former NZ cricketer Mark Richardson.

“That’s a really good result for Nick Willis,” Mulligan says, as Richardson tries not to laugh over the inadvertent pun.
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March 22, 2016 3:44pm
Manolo

The aging philanderer is losing it:
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-bill-clinton-slams-awful-legacy-of-last-8-years/

Bill Clinton is either losing it, or he’s ramping up his attacks on President Obama. Neither is good news for Hillary Clinton.

During a speech in Spokane, Washington on Monday, Clinton seemed to tear down Obama to boost his wife.
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March 22, 2016 4:27pm
Nostradamus

For discussion:

UglyTruth (6,713 comments) says:
March 21st, 2016 at 8:11 pm

When there is a terrorist attack, the President can’t even call it Islamic terrorism. They laughable “Islam is a religion of peace” line is trotted out in all the media.

Islam is a religion of peace, but most westerners are unable to distinguish form from substance, probably because hypocrisy is so prevalent within their own institutions.

What is really laughable is the the ignorance of most western commentators regarding the degree of culpability of of their own political culture re Islamist politics, specifically it’s origins with the US puppet regime in Iran during the seventies. After the false flag of 9/11 it surfaced again into the public arena in Boston with Graham Fuller’s connection the Chechen brothers who were framed by the FBI for the event.

Does anyone agree with UglyTruth?
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March 22, 2016 4:37pm
Manolo

I suspect the article has been written by our own stephieboy:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/trump-is-not-just-a-risk-to-the-country-he-is-also-a-risk-to-the-planet/ar-BBqKUvg?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignoutmd
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March 22, 2016 5:04pm
stephieboy

Gulag, 1917 , I think you need get some perspective about the New Observer and it’s plainly anti Jewish bias ,

http://newobserveronline.com/jewish-supremacists-using-holocaust-fable-to-promote-third-world-invasion-of-europe-says-scholar/

and this white genocide nonsense ,

http://newobserveronline.com/the-extermination-of-the-white-race-69-of-school-children-in-london-are-non-white/

From your link,

“In the email, released by Wikileaks, then Secretary of State Clinton says that the “best way to help Israel” is to “use force” in Syria to overthrow the government.”

That’s merely one of the options under her consideration if you read it more carefully.

Are the nations merely to stand by so that Assad can get what he want’s with the help of his Iranian ( with Hezbollah proxies ) and Russian allies ?
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March 22, 2016 5:11pm
Andrei

Are the nations merely to stand by so that Assad can get what he want’s with the help of his Iranian ( with Hezbollah proxies ) and Russian allies ?

President Assad represents the legitimate authority in Syria – it is not up to anyone other than the Syrian people to determine how Syria is managed and run.

Certainly not Hillary Clinton who should be on trial for her crimes against the Libyan people
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March 22, 2016 5:15pm
starboard

Heh…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/78139736/court-cases-cancelled-after-stomach-bug-hits-18-top-judges-during-chateau-retreat
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March 22, 2016 5:19pm
stephieboy

Andrei Assad has never tested his mandate with a fairly run plebiscite . Only those parties loyal or sympathetic to him have been allowed to participate .

In effect no opposition permitted as we would understand it !
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March 22, 2016 5:30pm
Shawn Herles

“President Assad represents the legitimate authority in Syria”

Define “legitimate.” Legitimate how?

” it is not up to anyone other than the Syrian people to determine how Syria is managed and run.”

Putin has ensured that the Syrian people don’t get a say by attacking any and all opposition to Assad BY the Syrian people.

Your hypocrisy is showing again.
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March 22, 2016 5:32pm
Shawn Herles

“Does anyone agree with UglyTruth?”

Stephie possibly. But it’s utter crap, and someone claiming that Islam is a religion of peace is in no position to be calling other people liars.
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March 22, 2016 5:34pm
Andrei

Andrei Assad has never tested his mandate with a fairly run plebiscite .

Yes he has Stephieboy and there are going to be elections in Syria next month

Who are not going to get a fairly run plebiscite are the long suffering citizens of the USA who have a bunch of mickey mouse candidates to choose from – candidates pre selected by the chinless elites who have stolen the USA from American citizens
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March 22, 2016 5:43pm
UglyTruth

Does anyone agree with UglyTruth?

I wouldn’t expect anyone to agree with my allegation that the FBI framed the Tsarnaev brothers without compelling evidence.

1. The video from the FBI shown to the jury has Tzhokhar near the road outside the Forum resturaunt. There are several reports that the explosion was on the patio, and there’s a photo which tends to confirm this. There’s also a photo of a bent barricade and what appears to be bomb victims near the kerbing, which was closer to where the video showed him to be. The video evidence doesn’t show Tzhokhar on the patio at all.

2. Neither of the backpacks worn by the brothers match the remains of a black backpack which was recovered from the event.

3. A picture from the FBI of Tzhokhar leaving the event has apparently been photoshopped to obscure his backpack.

4. The original picture given to the FBI is noticeably different in the area where his backback would have been.

5, The FBI is on record refusing to answer questions about a drill reported by multiple witnesses.
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March 22, 2016 5:46pm
Nick R

Conspiracies! They’re everywhere! Thank God we can rely on UT to winkle out the truth.
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March 22, 2016 5:51pm
Stars And Stripes

Andrei -“Long suffering citizens of the USA’

Yes so long suffering they enjoy one of the highest standards of living in the world and millions of others want a slice of it as well.
The deprivation must be terrible.
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March 22, 2016 5:55pm
UglyTruth

But it’s utter crap, and someone claiming that Islam is a religion of peace is in no position to be calling other people liars.

The thing is, Shawn, I can show how the west has slandered Islam by portraying it as a source of terrorism, but you can’t show how the Quran teaches Muslims to make war.
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March 22, 2016 5:57pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

I can’t see how anyone believes that Syria can be healed. Inter-sectarian strains make that impossible without a super-oppressive police state being imposed for a generation or two (made extra hard by porous borders and interference by extra-national sectarian supporters).

After Isis are eviscerated it needs to be split up like the Balkans were.
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March 22, 2016 6:26pm
Nostradamus

UglyTruth:

you can’t show how the Quran teaches Muslims to make war.

You’ll find it in chapter 7, which deals with beheadings.
And don’t forget chapter 11, which explains how to deal with infidels.
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March 22, 2016 6:28pm
Reid

As of the voting in various primaries last week and this week, Hillary Rodham Clinton has the surest way to the White House of any candidate who seeks the presidency from either of the major parties. She may not complete the journey, it is true. But even the most ardent Bernie Sanders supporters must now recognize that a lot of brush has been cleared from her path, and 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue may once again be Clinton’s address.

It is time, then, to bear down on Hillary Clinton yet more than we have and determine just who she is and what a Clinton II presidency will be all about. Forget the frivolous attacks of rightists. Those who might be inclined to vote for Clinton are the responsible parties now. They must bear down on themselves, so that we can rid the forward-thinking side of our political conversation of its many encrustations—its mythologies, conventions, orthodoxies and the stale assumptions that have been placed over many years in some zone wherein they are taken to lie beyond questioning.

As you may surmise, I take the prospect of a Clinton II era to be a grave matter. It is not that she is a pathological variant of the political shape-shifter, to borrow a phrase from Charles Blow’s excellent column on the collapse of American ideals in Monday’s New York Times. It is Clinton’s consistency that should concern us most.

This is a dangerous figure, and I use the word advisedly, not rhetorically…

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/american-voters-need-wake-danger-hillary-presidency/ri13491
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March 22, 2016 6:34pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth , re Boston Bombing

.Lets deal firstly with conspiracy theorists farcical and inane claims that Jeff Bauman was a crises actor, a some kind of NWO Zionist plant .This is a favourite ploy of the CT industry who automatically deduce from Facebook and other social, media look a likes that X person is in fact Y person .Merely because in this case Bauman may seem like ,in this case former Afghan soldier Nick Vogt , therefore he must be the latter .Show us also why you think Jeff ‘s Surgeon, medical staff tec and his family. were in on the conpiracy too ?

It’s really quite pathetically sad the simple silliness that CTers like you will also go to demand impossibly high bars of evidence to establish Jeff ‘s identity and the horrific injuries he did in fact actual receive on the day of the Boston Bombings .Maybe you should set a similar to establish Obama’s or Trump’s identity ?p trial anomalies .

Another side show is the claim it was all fake blood as though CTers like you think you have the requisite clinical skills to inform us .Do you think it should look like ketch up ? Prick youself and see !

Maybe you also would like to rap things up by telling us why Scarlett Lewis and other parents got it all so Wong at Sandy Hook ?

Faked, eh ?

PS not forgetting the dead six teachers too

!

http://wideshut.co.uk/review-of-jeff-bauman-legless-man-boston-bombing-conspiracy-theory-graphic-images/
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March 22, 2016 6:43pm
stephieboy

Andrei, do note I said ” has never ” meaning of course in the past .

I do think I recall you insisting last year that he in fact had conducted elections with full participation of opposition parties ?

Correct ?
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March 22, 2016 6:52pm
Reid

https://youtu.be/17EOM3RTD1Y
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March 22, 2016 6:52pm
UglyTruth

“you can’t show how the Quran teaches Muslims to make war.”

You’ll find it in chapter 7, which deals with beheadings.

Wrong. There’s no reference to beheading in chapter 7.
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March 22, 2016 6:56pm
stephieboy

Reid, there fixed for EAD , Ugly Truth and you ,

Zionists Use Donald Trump to Fix Another Election,

Donald Trump is an Illuminati
agent tasked with getting
Hillary Clinton elected.

– See more at: http://henrymakow.com/donald_trump_is_masonic_false.html#sthash.RysWwQf4.dpuf

Yet more CTer madness !
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March 22, 2016 6:59pm
Nostradamus

UglyTruth:

There’s no reference to beheading in chapter 7.

Please lighten up – it was a joke!

Meanwhile, in Australia, today’s news story:

A 16-year-old girl and a 20-year-old man have been arrested in Sydney on suspicion of financing the Islamic State (IS) terror group
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March 22, 2016 7:14pm
EAD

I see that CNN are reporting Trump’s attendance at AIPAC as “an attempt to woo the establishment”.

Apparently no one finds it remotely odd that Zionist Jews are considered the American political establishment?

Wow.
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March 22, 2016 7:19pm
mikenmild

Incredibly enough, EAD, in America Jews are treated as normal people.
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March 22, 2016 7:23pm
EAD

Mikemild,

It shows how deeply lost in the matrix you are that you can’t even see how odd that simple observation is.

Let’s step away from ZOG and I’ll show you just how surreal it has become. Can you imagine a presidential candidate in say Japan has to castrate themselves in front of a bunch of Koreans (who make up 1% of the Japanese population) and the Japanese MSM gleefully report this bunch of Koreans as “the establishment”. I mean, people over here get wound up when Maori with 12% of the population seem to be over-represented in positions of power……..

I mean the chutzpah in American is just so blatant but you’ve been indoctrinated to react like a galloping mental at this statement of truth.

Alduous Huxley’s quote below sums up your existence to a T:

“The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. “Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does.” They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted”

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/consolidating-americas-jewdiciary.html?m=0
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March 22, 2016 7:37pm
UglyTruth

@Nostradamus

“There’s no reference to beheading in chapter 7.”

Please lighten up – it was a joke!

Like you were joking when you lied about me not understanding what contra proferentem meant?
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March 22, 2016 7:42pm
Reid

US carriers are dead in the water, if the murderous insane neocon bastards are dumb enough to take on Russia. Which they are, and will, no matter which traitor is elected POTUS.

http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-retrofitting-its-heavy-cruisers-carrier-killers-21st-century/ri13459

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-monster-battlecruisers-are-getting-hypersonic-anti-15263

Reid, there fixed for EAD , Ugly Truth and you ,

stupidboy, what ever will you say when Trump’s mob connections are “revealed” by the media and Killary shoots into the lead? That’s just a coincidence? This is the same media who already know them yet remain completely and utterly silent. The same media you rely on to tell you that the Syrian people hate Assad and Iran would definitely use a nuke the instant it got one. (Better not tell you they already have them, should I.)

I’m a conspiracy realist stupidboy.

The only objection you and all the other sheeple have ever expressed to the issues I’ve raised is that you don’t particularly like the sites I cite. Same as Nosty’s general question above re: UT’s comment on Sandy Hook. You and your fellow ignorant travellers have never even looked at the allegations. All you and they have ever done is quickly google for “debunker [topic]” and then triumphantly bray: “it’s false!” without ever even examining even peripherally the actual allegations, as opposed to the strawmen the debunker sites cite, as if that’s what the real allegations are.

This is why I’m so disparaging to you all. You’re fucking morons, not that your IQ is any less than mine, but that you REFUSE to examine the case.

And if that’s not moronic behaviour, then WTF is?

Note to Nosty, when Lord Denning was a defense barrister, the first thing he used to do when preparing his case was to prepare the case for the prosecution. I suggest you do the same with ours, with the same dedication Denning displayed throughout his career.
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March 22, 2016 7:44pm
Stars And Stripes

UT – that is quite a rewrite of what you said Nostradamas, personally I preferred the original.
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March 22, 2016 7:45pm
Griff

Full moon for the loons.
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March 22, 2016 7:46pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x6xvncjpccix16u/UT%2013.jpg?dl=0
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March 22, 2016 7:54pm
mikenmild

Full moon tomorrow, Griff. Some of the lunatics are having an early run at it though.
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March 22, 2016 7:54pm
nasska

Dear God! You mean this is only a warm up to the main event Mike?

Scary! 🙂
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March 22, 2016 7:58pm
JMS

US carriers are dead in the water, if the murderous insane neocon bastards are dumb enough to take on Russia. Which they are, and will, no matter which traitor is elected POTUS.

Neither the neocons nor any other political group in the US is going to attack Russia. Unless of course Russia attacks a NATO member first, which it won’t, because the Land of the Lada would get smashed. 🙂

Russia’s only hope would be that pussy Trump getting elected.
Cruz, Kasich, (and even Clinton!) would keep Putin in his place.
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March 22, 2016 8:04pm
Nostradamus

UglyTruth:

Like you were joking when you lied about me not understanding what contra proferentem meant?

You seem to be a slow learner. I suggest you read my comment to you two days ago (which I know you’ve read because you responded to another comment of mine later on that thread).

Disagree with me, by all means, but don’t accuse me of lying again.
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March 22, 2016 8:11pm
stigie

Have i got this wrong Milky, thought the full moon was on the 24th..?

Would hate to miss out on a decent meltdown ole chap because they are far and few between these days !~
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March 22, 2016 8:19pm
UglyTruth

UT – that is quite a rewrite of what you said Nostradamas, personally I preferred the original.

If you think I’ve misrepresented anything then why aren’t you more specific about what you think? It’s pretty that he isn’t the only one who hates the idea that I might be right.
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March 22, 2016 8:21pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

You were talking about the next full moon last week.

stigie (3,300 comments) says:
March 17th, 2016 at 7:04 pm

Full moon is not till the 24th Wiki when you and Dad can combine to see who can get the most out of the Kiwiblog commenters..?

Do you organise yourself around “full moon” events on Kiwiblog, old chap? If so, we may need to get Johnboy to help with spicing up your life!
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March 22, 2016 8:22pm
stigie

I am a disgrace Nostra, i will contact Johnboy immediately !~
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March 22, 2016 8:28pm
UglyTruth

Disagree with me, by all means, but don’t accuse me of lying again.

Fuck you, liar. Contra proferentem is anathema for people who argue by deceit like you do.

If you were telling the truth you could show something that I posted that demonstrated the alleged lack of understanding, but the best you could do was to argue that it didn’t apply here – the fallacy of special pleading.

[DPF: Too abusive. Strike 2]
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March 22, 2016 8:31pm
Shawn Herles

“It’s pretty that he isn’t the only one who hates the idea that I might be right.”

Nobody, with the exception of Reid, thinks you might be right. About anything.

“Fuck you, liar.”

I was only aware this recently myself, but according to DPF’s rules you cannot accuse people of being liars. So give it a rest, or face the consequences.
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March 22, 2016 8:43pm
Jack5

The modern face of racism. A child snatched from an adopted/foster family because she is 1.5 per cent Native American, and therefore must be raised by Native Americans.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3503460/Girl-six-taken-away-foster-family-five-years-1-5-cent-Native-American-family-white.html
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March 22, 2016 8:45pm
Griff

Yip those native Americans are just like maori jack 5.
Just ask wapping with third hand.
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March 22, 2016 8:47pm
nasska

The Marie Celeste of the blogosphere is once again losing ground. New depths have been located & plumbed to merit the sites 4,386,315 ranking. The end must be near!

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/truebluenz.com
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March 22, 2016 8:50pm
Jack5

What the fuck are you saying, Griff (in your 8.47 post)? That it’s all right to whip a child from a family because 1.5 per cent of the child’s genes are of another ethnicity? That sounds pretty Nazi.

And what does this mean?

Just ask wapping with third hand.
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March 22, 2016 8:51pm
Shawn Herles

“Neither the neocons nor any other political group in the US is going to attack Russia.”

There would be no reason to do so. The disputes between Russia and NATO are solvable, and whatever one may think of Putin, he’s not a fool. He won’t push things far enough to start a war, and neither will the West. It would be a disaster for both sides.

I have had a go at Putin several times, mostly to wind Andrei up, but I really do not believe he or Russia is the enemy. Islam is. It is far better for all involved if we can find a way to solve or put our differences aside, and work together. This is one aspect of Trump’s approach that I agree with.
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March 22, 2016 8:51pm
Shawn Herles

“The modern face of racism. A child snatched from an adopted/foster family because she is 1.5 per cent Native American, and therefore must be raised by Native Americans.”

As someone with way more than 1.5% NA blood, I profoundly disagree with this policy. It’s just cruel to take a child out of a family like this.
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March 22, 2016 8:54pm
UglyTruth

Nobody, with the exception of Reid, thinks you might be right. About anything.

So are you lying, deluded, or omniscient? There’s no fourth option.
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March 22, 2016 8:54pm
Jack5

Re Nasska at 8.50….

I’ve just had a look at the Alexa site. It has Kiwiblog ranked 424 in NZ. What does that mean? 424th most popular blog, which would obviously be bullshit? 424th most visited NZ site? Sounds far fetched.
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March 22, 2016 8:56pm
mikenmild

stigie
Full moon is tomorrow according to my calendar. The 23rd is Purim, a Jewish holiday to celebrate victory over a genocidal enemy, so perhaps that will be an occasion on Kiwiblog as well.
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March 22, 2016 8:59pm
Shawn Herles

“So are you lying, deluded, or omniscient? There’s no third option.”

You got me. I’m omniscient. 🙂
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March 22, 2016 8:59pm
Shawn Herles

“Full moon is tomorrow”

Ahh, time to find another goat. Or a virgin. Oh wait, it’s Christchurch. Better stick with the goat. 🙂
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March 22, 2016 9:00pm
mikenmild

Avoid Hagley Park tomorrow evening. Or head on down there, according to one’s inclinations.
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March 22, 2016 9:04pm
nasska

Jack5

I admit that I’ve no idea how they determine their ratings. Most people seem to defer to https://openparachute.wordpress.com/2016/03/01/february-16-nz-blogs-sitemeter-ranking/ which rates Kiwiblog at the top but makes no mention of the supposedly more popular Whaleoil.

Perhaps we who have been rendered clueless by the digital age are not meant to understand. 🙂
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March 22, 2016 9:04pm
UglyTruth

You got me. I’m omniscient.

So you think you know more than the God of Abraham, is that right?
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March 22, 2016 9:04pm
Shawn Herles

“So you think you know more than the God of Abraham, is that right?”

Oh dear…..

Ugly, it says something about you, and nothing remotely positive, that you actually took that statement literally and seriously.

Seek help. You can find psychotherapists in the phone book.
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March 22, 2016 9:10pm
UglyTruth

Ugly, it says something about you, and nothing remotely positive, that you actually took that statement literally and seriously.

I know that you’re not omniscient. The point in asking that question was to back you into a corner – your options are now either to admit to being a liar, or to admit to being deluded, or to find a fourth alternative.
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March 22, 2016 9:15pm
Shawn Herles

“The point in asking that question was to back you into a corner”

This assumes I’m taking this conversation seriously. Trust me Ugly, when it comes to you I never do. You’re just late night amusement to me.
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March 22, 2016 9:23pm
Griff

Cripple fight .
Wugly verse third hand wapping.
Same god different prophets.

love a good one but it does eat into my popcorn stash.
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March 22, 2016 9:26pm
Shawn Herles

There is no fight Griff, just me laughing my ass off at Ugly, and you. 🙂

Seriously, I get that Maggy made a fool of you, and your manhood is all bent out of shape, but you are going to have to try way harder than this to wind me up. Right now, it’s just a weak puddle of piss. 🙂

Night folks.
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March 22, 2016 9:32pm
UglyTruth

This assumes I’m taking this conversation seriously.

So you’re taking the same road Nostradamus took, the “but I was only joking!” gambit.

This argument really illustrates why contra proferentem is so valuable in outing deceitful little fucks like Nostradamus and Herles.

Verba fortius accipientur contra proferentum. Words are to be taken most strongly against him who uses them. Bacon’s Max. REg. 3; 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 661.

http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/bouvier/maxims.shtml
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March 22, 2016 9:33pm
UglyTruth

Same god different prophets.

Fuck no. You’ve got no clue, Griff.
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March 22, 2016 9:35pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth , Brussels Airport bombing . ? Another Boston styled Zionist NWO False flag ?
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March 22, 2016 9:42pm
mikenmild

That reminds me, Ugly. The other day you gave the IRA as an example of genuine terrorist attacks this century. Can you think of any Islamic terrorist attacks this century that you would similarly regard as genuine?
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March 22, 2016 9:44pm
UglyTruth

Can you think of any Islamic terrorist attacks this century that you would similarly regard as genuine?

Blaming Muslims for acts of terrorism committed in the name of Islam is like blaming Jews for the actions of the Zionists.
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March 22, 2016 9:59pm
pentwig

stephieboy (10,534 comments) says:
March 22nd, 2016 at 9:42 pm
Ugly Truth , Brussels Airport bombing . ? Another Boston styled Zionist NWO False flag ?

You sick, sick fuck.
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March 22, 2016 10:26pm
Reid

Blaming Muslims for acts of terrorism committed in the name of Islam is like blaming Jews for the actions of the Zionists.

Brilliant UT.

Shame that for 90% of those here the brilliance will simply escape them completely, whereas for another 9% they’ll chose to ignore it because it suits their slimy purpose so to do.
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March 22, 2016 10:27pm
stephieboy

pentwig, did you not know Ugly Truth believes the Boston Bombings , 9/11 Sandy Hook etc were false flag attacks ?

Do you ?
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March 22, 2016 10:30pm
Awww C-mon

“Verba fortius accipientur contra proferentum. Words are to be taken most strongly against him who uses them. Bacon’s Max. REg. 3; 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 661.”

Yup, that sums up exactly how you should be treated you Ugly bastard.

Has anyone here called you a deluded fuckwit yet?
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March 22, 2016 10:32pm
Reid

pentwig, did you not know Ugly Truth believes the Boston Bombings , 9/11 Sandy Hook etc were false flag attacks ?

Along with millions of others stephie.

But what on earth does that have to do with Brussels?
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March 22, 2016 10:34pm
stephieboy

Reid, oh goody like the millions of others no false flag . But shall we await as the Conspiracy mongering anomaly machine gets cranked up by Veterans Today , Global Research etc ?
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March 22, 2016 10:38pm
pentwig

stephieboy (10,541 comments) says:
March 22nd, 2016 at 9:38 pm
Two things will happen :

This will be billed a false flag Zionist inspired attack by EAD , UT , Reid and coy .

I repeat- You are a sick, sick fuck.
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March 22, 2016 10:47pm
Manolo

Will Europe ever stop these Muslim hordes from entering its borders? The multiculturalists are cutting their own throats.
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March 22, 2016 10:50pm
pentwig

stephieboy (10,541 comments) says:
March 22nd, 2016 at 9:38 pm
Two things will happen :

In fact you are worse than that. You are an apologist for muslim terrorism. Go away!!
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March 22, 2016 10:51pm
stephieboy

pentwig, ,going by past examples this will be viewed in similar light to the Boston Bombing , Sandy Hook etc

Mark my words !

Your so wrong, wrong, wrong !

Let me repeat , so wrong,wrong, wrong ?
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March 22, 2016 10:51pm
Reid

Reid, oh goody like the millions of others no false flag . But shall we await as the Conspiracy mongering anomaly machine gets cranked up by Veterans Today , Global Research etc ?

stupidboy, it’s simply that, unlike you, we don’t jump to conclusions, we await evidence.

Only morons think they know what really happened hours after something like the Brussels bombing happened. Explaining to everyone how you hallucinate it’s a definite false flag may excite you in some strange way, but to the rest of us, it just makes you look weird.

So we’ll just wait for the analysis to pick over the bones, just like we’ve always done. And let the evidence lead us where it will, just like we’ve always done.

Unlike idiots and fools like you, who immediately leap to some conclusion or other.

Newsflash mate, evidence-based decision making is much more reliable than the mindless intuition you clearly practice.

Newsflash 2 mate, open minds are the way to go, it could be anything. Who knows. Let’s see.
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March 22, 2016 10:52pm
stephieboy

Reid , well very quickly CTers like you after 9/11 , Sandy Hook , Boston bombing etc came to some very rapid conclusions .

And we have your assurances that the Charlie Hebro and Paris stadium etc attacks were not false flags and Israel Zionst inspired ?,

Israel behind Paris attacks ?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/16/is-israel-behind-paris-attacks/
and,

Israeli investigative journalist: Bibi a suspect in Charlie Hebdo massacre

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/09/chamish-bibi/
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March 22, 2016 11:05pm
pentwig

stephieboy (10,543 comments) says: Crap!!

Go to the standard. They will love you. You strange , gender confused manic idiot.
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March 22, 2016 11:12pm
Reid

Reid , well very quickly CTers like you after 9/11 , Sandy Hook , Boston bombing etc came to some very rapid conclusions .

stupidboy since you weren’t even here on 9/11 how the fuck do you know what, when and how I reacted to that? Same with the others.

You need mate to get it through your thick skull that just because in your hallucination (which is a stereotype and I thought P.C. psychobabble practitioners like you abhorred stereotypes) of what you call “CTers,” a “CTer” might react in a certain way, in your hallucination of them, this doesn’t mean that any particular “CTer” necessarily will. Indeed, case in point tonight, none of who you hallucinate to be a “CTer” has said a fucking thing about Brussels, have we.

Get a clue, dipshit.

And if you really are a pwogwessive, then start acting like one and stop stereotyping everyone.

Duh.
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March 22, 2016 11:17pm
UglyTruth

“Verba fortius accipientur contra proferentum. Words are to be taken most strongly against him who uses them. Bacon’s Max. REg. 3; 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 661.”

Yup, that sums up exactly how you should be treated you Ugly bastard.

Of course, the rule of law applies to me as much as it applies to anyone.

Has anyone here called you a deluded fuckwit yet?

Not as far as I remember, and why would anyone care if you did? You’re just a lying piece of shit Like Nostradumus and Shawn Herles.
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