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RF

A beautiful day in the sun and a relaxing 30 minutes reading the posts on GD. Pon my word.. I have discovered 20 hidden posts that I will never know the content.

That has made my day and I will now cap this off with a nice single malt. Thank you one and all for ridding us of the pestilence.
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January 24, 2016 4:41pm
Jack5

Britain, around the same geographic size of NZ, has been able to offer shelter to European political refugees for decades, but can it now offer shelter to the world’s refugees?

A Jamaican bisexual man has been granted asylum in Britain because of Jamaican anti-homosexuality laws. If about 5 per cent of men are homosexual, this means scores of millions of gays from the Third World will be eligible for asylum, plus lesbians – that is British asylum for the whole of the world’s LGBT communities.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/23/bisexual-asylum-seeker-orashia-edwards-wins-home-office-uk-jamaica
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January 24, 2016 4:52pm
Salacious Crumb

Stephieboy

It isn’t about blaming whichever government. The thing for me is how this unfettered access by immigrants, including the European ones, has irreversibly changed London.

The reality of the U.K.’s multicultural madness is pretty apparent.

It can be no better summed by this quote in the article “A Met policeman, who was born in Nigeria, says: ‘The English are vanishing. London is no longer an English city at all . . . London is a patchwork of ghettos.’”
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January 24, 2016 4:58pm
stephieboy

Jack 5, that hasn’t stopped the Chinese President Xi Jinping visiting Iran on an official state visit ,

“Chinese President Xi Jinping met his Iranian counterpart on Saturday in Tehran, where they will discuss how to improve economic and political ties after international sanctions on Iran were lifted.
Xi was welcomed by President Hassan Rouhanimeet in Sa’dabad palace in northern Tehran. The Chinese president will meet Iran’s most powerful figure, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, later in the day.
“China is seeking to improve bilateral ties with Iran to start a new season of comprehensive, long-term and sustainable relations with the Islamic Republic,” President Xi was quoted as saying by Iran’s state news agency, IRNA, on his arrival in Tehran on Friday night….”

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-china-president-idUSKCN0V02L5

You must feel utterly guttered ??
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January 24, 2016 4:59pm
Jack5

I wonder what NZ is doing to guard against the Zika virus, which is causing very nasty problems in Brazil, including the birth of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of babies with misshapen heads.

Air NZ now flies to Buenos Aires, and I think I read that among recent refugees granted admission to NZ were some from Colombia.

Three cases of Zika have now been detected in UK people returning from South America.

We do have mosquitoes in NZ. I wonder if it would be possible for them to spread this disease, at least in the warmer parts of the country.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/23/zika-virus-three-uk-travellers-diagnosed
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January 24, 2016 5:00pm
Jack5

One of the Stephieboys included a message to me in his 4.59 post:

You must feel utterly guttered ??

Thanks for your inquiry, but my plumbing is coping.

Re your comment Stephieboy, about the President of China visiting Teheran: I bet you they didn’t discuss China’s relations with the Uighur people and other Chinese Muslim minorities.

You don’t see niquabs or burkas on women in Beijing, Stephieboys.
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January 24, 2016 5:05pm
nasska

…..” I read that among recent refugees granted admission to NZ were some from Colombia.”…..

Who would worry about Zika? It pales into insignificance compared with the Muslim virus transmitted by refugees which swamps countries with Sharia & exploding madmen!
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January 24, 2016 5:08pm
stephieboy

Jack 5, I suppose China’s treatment of Urghur people will no doubt be cause to renounce your Smartphone or other devices likely made in China .

Burkas in Beijing . You seem and expert on the question and it hasn’t stopped the Chinese President visiting Tehran now has it ?

And from what I can gather the Urghur women don’t wear Burkas ,

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000zqVN6s20C5I/s/750/750/Uygur-Woman-Polaroid.jpg

There would not be problem for them in Beijing

Figure ?
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January 24, 2016 5:11pm
Shunda barunda

“We do have mosquitoes in NZ. I wonder if it would be possible for them to spread this disease, at least in the warmer parts of the country.”

It’s only a matter of time, the number of new mosquitoes spreading in NZ is increasing as well, some which are more efficient disease carriers.

I had the unfortunate experience of discovering a new mosquito species here, horrible speckled leg little bastards that bite during the day even worse than sandflies.
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January 24, 2016 5:12pm
nasska

….”You must feel utterly guttered ??”….

The apologist for Islam is definitely not as one with the vernacular.
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January 24, 2016 5:12pm
stephieboy

nasska, another one who feels disappointed ( guttered or whatever ) about the Chinese President’s visit to Iran ?
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January 24, 2016 5:17pm
Manolo

@nasska: Most Women’s Studies’ graduates from Waikato University write that way. 🙂
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January 24, 2016 5:20pm
stigie

All comments are now hidden due to low comment rating. Very well done chaps and girls, has to be a record ?

Downticks must run into the 100s
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January 24, 2016 5:21pm
Jack5

Stephieboy at 5.11 talks of Uighur people in China and says there would be no problem for Uighur women in Beijing.

I wouldn’t count on that Stephieboy. Here’s an interesting take on the ethnic Turkish Uighur people of China:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/06/china-uighurs-claim-cultural-gen-20146165946224857.html
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January 24, 2016 5:21pm
AgentBallSack

Not sure why gays would want to move to England Jack5. Isn’t the most common boys name now Mohammed?
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January 24, 2016 5:29pm
Gabby

Well, homosexuals are unlikely to outbreed the locals, or rape / stab / explode them.
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January 24, 2016 5:34pm
AgentBallSack

New book promises to solve Ben Smart, Olivia Hope murder mystery…
Considering Bain got 3 trials, I think there is a real chance of a miscarriage of justice in this case.

Ian Wishart is a damn good reporter, I would be interested in his take on this case.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/76192273/New-book-promises-to-solve-Ben-Smart-Olivia-Hope-murder-mystery
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January 24, 2016 5:37pm
stephieboy

Jack 5 , you seem to have an unusual soft spot for the largely Muslim Uighur people. Now who would of thought !

AgentBallSack , Bain had two trials and is awaiting the outcome for his compensation claim which I understand is now before cabinet for consideration.

Ian Wishart IMO is not a very good reporter .His books on both Arthur Alan Thomas and Wayne Tamihere have not cracked open both cases with any significant new leads .
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January 24, 2016 6:02pm
big bruv

If you have a ’cause’ that is important to you then the very last person you want championing your cause is Ian Wishart.

Wishart = public apathy.
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January 24, 2016 6:08pm
publicwatchdog

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Actually Agent Ballsack – I have worked with Ian Wishart on a number of issues.

We don’t agree on everything – but here is one issue upon which I FULLY supported his stand:

Remember this Kiwioggers?

https://waterpressure.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/press-release-penny-brightian-wishart-is-trying-to-break-the-silence-on-the-kahui-case-so-why-and-which-people-are-trying-to-silence-him/

30 June 2011

PRESS RELEASE: Penny Bright:

IAN WISHART IS TRYING TO ‘BREAK THE SILENCE’ ON THE KAHUI CASE – SO WHY, AND WHICH PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SILENCE HIM?

“As a New Zealander who passionately believes in freedom of expression, I am appalled and disgusted at this campaign to ‘silence’ author and publisher Ian Wishart who would be ‘Breaking the Silence’ on child abuse and the Kahui case – if people were not having their rights restricted to purchase his book’, says Penny Bright.
……..
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Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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January 24, 2016 6:16pm
stephieboy

Penny Bright , as matter of interest are you a David Bain supporter ?
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January 24, 2016 6:21pm
publicwatchdog

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Has it ever occurred to any of the Kiwiblogger Kindergarten Kids – that THINKING Kiwibloggers might actually be drawn to read my comments that you are attempting to ‘censor’ through your silly bully boycott thingie?

Which seems to be rather useless, in my view, because so many of you are FORGETTING (or something) and STILL continuing to ‘engage’ ?

You old silly bullies!

Keep going …..

Kind regards

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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January 24, 2016 6:26pm
AgentBallSack

Certainly IMO Wishart is a better investigative reporter than Hager. Bryan Bruce is another who actually investigates past cases looking for miscarriages. I just think that the evidence in this case (and Peter Ellis’s) was insufficient.
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January 24, 2016 6:26pm
Nostradamus

This will cause a meltdown at The Standard:

Lynton Crosby, the top Liberal Party strategist and adviser to the British Conservative Government, has been named Australian of the Year in the UK.
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Mr Crosby was awarded the honour for being a “world leader in his profession and a great Australian”, according to the Australia Day Foundation.

The Australian of the Year in the UK award is selected based on their “achievements in the year immediately prior… and ongoing contribution to the Australia/UK community” as well as being an “inspirational role model”, according to the Australia Day Foundation.

The Standard bloggers may need to rethink their use of “Crosby Textor” as a sneering insult!
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January 24, 2016 6:27pm
mikenmild

Progress from Iceland:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/23/in-this-country-literally-no-young-christians-believe-that-god-created-the-earth/
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January 24, 2016 6:27pm
AgentBallSack

Maybe Penny if you actually address questions put to you, and if people are interested in what you have to say, the censoring will stop? Because as far as I can see, what you are doing currently isn’t working. That is of course when you’re done playing your little game. Meant in a caring, thoughtful way.
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January 24, 2016 6:33pm
Stars And Stripes

Stephie- are you okay today because I have actually given you a couple of green ticks on different posts?.
Just asking.
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January 24, 2016 6:37pm
Harriet

“…..Progress from Iceland:…no one believes in God….”

Milky stop being a dickhead – you know they asked the question ‘in a way’ that would give that answer.
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January 24, 2016 6:43pm
RRM

publicwatchdog (5,305 comments) says:
January 24th, 2016 at 6:26 pm

Has it ever occurred to any of the Kiwiblogger Kindergarten Kids – that THINKING Kiwibloggers might actually be drawn to read my comments…?

Yeah, NAH…

Most of your ideas are wrong, you don’t write very well, and your sense of entitlement is nauseating. People aren’t downticking you for no reason.
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January 24, 2016 6:47pm
Harriet

“…… Firebrand lawmaker Geert Wilders handing out self-defense sprays to women fearful of what he describes as….”

When Germany announced the ‘arms length policy’ for women to use, a small right wing group were giving out spray to women in public with this type of disparaging statement “This is to keep the threat at arms length as the government has requested.” 😎
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January 24, 2016 6:49pm
Awww C-mon

RRM.

The unthinking ones as well!
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January 24, 2016 6:49pm
Manolo

Publicity galore. Trump is very skilled at playing the media:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/23/donald-trump-says-megyn-kelly-should-skip-debate-fox-says-shell-be-there/
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January 24, 2016 6:50pm
mikenmild

I was reading that article about Iceland I linked to and found an amusing story. Iceland has a state church, the Lutherans, and it is compulsory to pay a tax to support it. A group of protesters have set up a competing religion, Zuism – based on Sumerian gods, and offer to refund the tax payment to any member. It now has thousands of members.
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January 24, 2016 6:59pm
renderer

Well Penny today you have stood up to the kkk and shown you don’t now the meaning of the word fear, but then again you dont know the meaning of most words
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January 24, 2016 7:02pm
stephieboy

Stars And Stripes , I’m at peace with the world !
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January 24, 2016 7:10pm
minus

Penny B – Not many have my determination and persistent consistency, in taking on the, in my view, unthinking hordes that comprise the Kiwiblogger Kindergarten Kids silly bullies?
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holysheet – inaugaral K-K-K member 2016
stigie – Proud member of the KKK squad 2016

“hordes?”, “so many of you are FORGETTING (or something) and STILL continuing to ‘engage’?”
– there only seem to be two of them, and they are still regularly doing what they were doing before: commenting.
Hardly a great number of boycotting masses. Seems Penny, unable to name more, has become a little paranoid.
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January 24, 2016 7:12pm
publicwatchdog

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But RRM – how can I be sure that you are truly and honestly reading my comments properly and thoroughly before ‘down ticking ‘ them?

You see – it was a similar issue, in my view, with Ian Wishart and his book about the Kahui twins – “Breaking Silence”?

People wanting to BAN this book without even first reading it?

Crikey!

How many of you Kiwiblogger Kindergarten Kids also supported the boycott and effective banning of Ian Wishart’s book “Breaking Silence”?

Just wondering ….

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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January 24, 2016 7:17pm
Manolo

You might be at peace, stephieboy, but your violent Muslim mates surely are not! Killing, suicide bombers, and beheadings are their motto.
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January 24, 2016 7:18pm
AgentBallSack

Wah wah wah how can I be sure you’re actually listening to me. Stamps foot.
Of course there is the corollary: How can we be sure you’re actually real and not some figment of Martyn Bradburys deranged imagination?
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January 24, 2016 7:20pm
publicwatchdog

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renderer (362 comments) says:
January 24th, 2016 at 7:02 pm
Well Penny today you have stood up to the kkk and shown you don’t now the meaning of the word fear, but then again you dont know the meaning of most words
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Really Renderer ?

And what specific words, in your opinion, don’t I supposedly the meaning thereof?

Kind regards

Penny Bright
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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January 24, 2016 7:21pm
Awww C-mon

Question and Answer

There is a couple of words you struggle with…
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January 24, 2016 7:24pm
Captain Mainwaring

Never thought I’d give Gabby an uptick, but there you go.
Where is the blazing enlightened one?
Working on Mrs. Dimwit’s election strategy maybe?
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January 24, 2016 7:25pm
AgentBallSack

I would say Penny, if after five thousand comments no one is interested in a single thing you have to say, it’s all your own damn bloody fault. Meant in a caring, amused way.
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January 24, 2016 7:25pm
renderer

The word truth for starters
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January 24, 2016 7:27pm
AgentBallSack

minus, Penny seems to neglect to realise for every commentator here, theres another silent 20 or 30, reading what she has to say and downticking her also. I DEMAND DPF names them so she can sic ‘Screaming Skull’ Minto onto them.
Work for you Penny?
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January 24, 2016 7:29pm
renderer

The words honesty and integrety should be at the top of any list of any person standing for public office. You however display a very poor grasp of these concepts when day after day you present posts designed to get a negative response to further your own ends.
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January 24, 2016 7:38pm
RF

stigie, AgentBallSack and other brave souls I have listened to your call to arms to defeat the evil one who must not be named. It’s taken several single malt whiskys for me to come to the conclusion that we are like the band of brothers with the odd sister thrown in.

Our objective is to retake GD without prisoners.

God speed and be prepared to take one for the team.
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January 24, 2016 7:44pm
Awww C-mon

RF your conclusion appeals to my senses, especially the single malts… Might go have one or three
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January 24, 2016 7:51pm
nasska

….”God speed and be prepared to take one for the team.”….

With luck no one has to take one for the team. The insane one is so desperate & wound up by now that DPF’s complaint folder will be bulging.

Something will snap sooner or later…..just don’t engage but keep on downticking.
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January 24, 2016 7:53pm
Nookin

I read Wishart’s book on the Crewe murders. I seem to recall that his prepublication publicity also promised “the answer”.

It was really just a bit of regurgitation of what we knew folllowed by the theory that the dead detective (Johnston?) was the perpetrator. No facts were advance to support the theory.

The suggestion was that Harvey had burned down his house/barn for the insurance, Johnston found out and was blackmailing him. Or, at least, that is as I remember. I found the theory thoroughly unconvincing and devoid of any facts or evidence.

I might read his next one but only if there is convincing corroborration. Given that there have been no other suggested culprits, I assume that Wishart will either declare Watson guilty or that that Ben and Olivia are alive and well on a tropical island somewhere.
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January 24, 2016 7:58pm
renderer

Looking at your post @ 2:08 there may also be a struggle with consistency and hordes. Pointed out in an almost caring way
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January 24, 2016 8:01pm
mikenmild

Ian Wishart is a nutcase. The reaction against his Kahui book was not a ‘ban’, but a sensible commercial decision by Whitcoulls not to stock a publication their customers found revolting.
The chances of him shedding any light on the Sounds murders are very low.
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January 24, 2016 8:01pm
AgentBallSack

I am sure DPF knows whats going on. It’s his blog after all. In true Libertarian principle he is allowing majority rule, as it’s one of the cornerstones of democracy. As long as we don’t let it degenerate into Mob Rules. Which also happens to be a damn good album by Black Sabbath.
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January 24, 2016 8:05pm
holysheet

This is what she really means to say

Wah wah wah, those mean KKK billies are winning their silly billy fight with me. I can only name 2 of them, and yet I constantly get 60 down ticks for each post I do.

Oh woe is me, what am I to do
The KKK don’t want to play with me
My attempts to bully them has not worked

said in the most uncaring way

PWB

Inaugural K-K-K member 2016
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January 24, 2016 8:09pm
RF

Nookin. 7.58.

I would bet my left testicle that Len Johnston was not the perp as suggested by Wishart.

Easy to blame a dead man who in my book was a gentleman.

If Wishart wants a good story he should speak to one of the detectives who will now be retired, who was involved in the case… Not an Auckland one as they stuffed up the evidence.
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January 24, 2016 8:11pm
notrotsky

i have just been educating myself about the Ratana movement the original prophet was an ‘interesting’ chap – sort of a strange cross between Brian Tamake and Colin Craig.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/3r4/ratana-tahupotiki-wiremu

Makes you wonder why the politicians pander to them ?
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January 24, 2016 8:12pm
Chuck Bird

@Nookin

There have been a number of sightings of ketches that the police refused to follow up.

I cannot see how the witnesses could confuse a 23foot sloop with a much larger ketch.
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January 24, 2016 8:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@jack5 5:00pm

Its not just Brazil that is having an outbreak of Zika virus…

recent cases in Fiji & Samoa and continuing outbreak in the Solomons..
http://www.arphs.govt.nz/health-information/communicable-disease/dengue-fever-zika-chikungunya#.VqR10cB941A
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January 24, 2016 8:17pm
mikenmild

notrotsky
The Ratana Church quickly aimed for political power and quite speedily contested and won all the Maori seats by the 1930s(?). I think all Maori seats were held by Ratana members until the Nz First sweep in the 1990s. For a tiny religion, it still has considerable political influence within Maoridom.
From the census, it has about 40,000 adherents, making it less popular than Islam.
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January 24, 2016 8:19pm
AgentBallSack

notrotsky, they pay off a couple of them and they then go appease the majority of the savages with a few words and trinkets. Still works to this day.
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January 24, 2016 8:19pm
stephieboy

AgentBallSack ,

“Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.”

― Leo Tolstoy, A Confession
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January 24, 2016 8:20pm
AgentBallSack

stephie now apply that to your favourite religion of death.
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January 24, 2016 8:29pm
Nookin

The saga is not yet over mm.

http://www.nzlii.org/nz/cases/NZHC/2015/3363.html

Chuck

The incongruity of it all does tend to raise the eyebrows. That is why I am interested in the book but, given passed performance, I will be hard put to be convinced of any left field revelation.
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January 24, 2016 8:46pm
stephieboy

AgentBallSack, thinkers like Alexis de Tochqeiville and John Sturt Mill were concerned about the importance of protecting minority rights which could come about by a Tyrannous majority . I think Libertarians like David Seymour would be concerned about the Tyranny of the majority oppressing a minority as the Nazis dealt to the Jews and you and others might wish to deal to members of the “Religion of death ,“ here.

“The Americans combine the notions of religion and liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive of one without the other.”

Alexis de Tocqueville

We can add New Zealanders . Amen to that .
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January 24, 2016 9:13pm
notrotsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJoj9IqeKg
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January 24, 2016 9:37pm
nasska

Monica Lewinsky has released the following statement on Hillary Clinton’s run for American Presidency:

“I will not vote for Hillary Clinton. The last Clinton Presidency left a very bad taste in my mouth.”
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January 24, 2016 9:43pm
big bruv

RF

Are you hinting that you believe Thomas to be guilty of the Crewe murders?

If so I am amazed, I really did not think there was anybody left who thought that way.
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January 24, 2016 10:14pm
Manolo

Finland tries to teach the uncivilised: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35353310

Migrants arriving in Finland are being offered classes on Finnish values and how to behave towards women. Concerned about a rise in the number of sexual assaults in the country, the government wants to make sure that people from very conservative cultures know what to expect in their new home.
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January 24, 2016 10:30pm
RF

big bruv

I have my own thoughts about what happened. There is a shit load of information that was not put into the public domain. I have had some serious discussions with detectives who there and they gave me a different perspective about what went down. As always there are two sides to the story. Not saying the Police did not stuff up.
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January 24, 2016 10:42pm
Odakyu-sen

Manolo,

Well spotted
“Concerned about a rise in the number of sexual assaults in the country, the government wants to make sure that people from very conservative cultures know what to expect in their new home.”

Those people from “very conservative cultures” are a damned menace, it seems. (At least to the BBC).
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January 24, 2016 11:10pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Give it up RF, relying on alleged information not put in the public forum is tantamount to agreeing that Thomas in innocent. If the proof of his guilt exists – it would be in the public forum. There is no such evidence and it isn’t secretly being held back, that’s bs. There’s been every opportunity for it to be presented, but it doesn’t exist.
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January 24, 2016 11:21pm
big bruv

RF

The police in the Thomas case did not just stuff up, they fucking well lied, planted evidence, tampered with the Jury and obstructed justice at every turn. Hutton and others should have gone to jail themselves, they were a disgrace to the force.

I say that as a huge defender of our cops, I believe that in almost all cases they get it right but in the Thomas case they fucked up badly.
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January 25, 2016 6:27am
Left Right and Centre

(1) Some people juuuuuuust can’t take a hint, can they ? All of the hidden posts make my day. I’m chuffed mate. All of them. Top to bottom. I click to see nothing, hear nothing and say nothing. I don’t click to see – therefore I am. I choose the path less clicked. For not clicking is such sweet sorrow. Don’t quote soon to be hidden post text in your own posts for goodness sake.

(2) Nosty is one of the clever ones on here. My own click to see post was intended as an inside joke for regulars.

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. . . New Zealand will host 50, 000 visitors from China in one frantic frenetic week. All of this made possible because of our countries FTA with China. It’s a logistical challenge ferrying around , feeding and accomodating a group the size of Hamiltons population.

Hamilton 50 000 people ? Bogans are peeps too Kevva – it’s a bit north of 50K but anywho . . .

note: I did read posts – I’d be here all day approving – agreeing – the refugee men sex assault news for eg where does it say in their good book that they can pull that shit ? What kind of entire ethnic group of fuckwits ever think that’s ok ?

(4) Today’s (last night’s) p’n’s bs (true story bs): So – I’m there – talking away with worker acquaintance – it’s midnight, yeah ? Two children – brown boys age maybe 9-11. Ok – let’s just stop there. It’s midnight – where are the parents ? What are they doing out at that time ? Why are they so comfortable wandering all over the supermarket grounds ? Why were they undeterred by grown blokes watching what they’re up to ? It took long enough for them to bugger off. Did I say who are the parents and where are they ? That was not me at the same age. At home. Doing what I’m told. Old people were not to be argued with or defied or stood up to etc Did I say it was midnight ? Mate tells me they’re after ashtray butts. Are some folks born looking for smokes and drink ? Did I say they were about 9-11 years old ? Man alive. At least they weren’t fat. They didn’t look full feral either. Middle class feral – hahaha.

And the random receipt. Everybody join in now – it’s never random, because you know what’s coming. Nappies and Doritos. 27 items – $56. L&P1.5 litre x 2. Crumbed lasagne – yum. Giant bread (nasty) crackers. lite sour cream (no such thing) frankfurters. Beef flavour sausage (nothing but the best) Premium beef mince (hmmm-ok. btw – what happened to hhhhmokright or whatever username that was ? Ah, who cares) Baby wipes / nappies (tick) M&Ms peanut bag x 4. Wow – no Doritos – bugger. Kidding. Of course there’s Doritos – cheese supreme – mmmm – think I’ll wash that down with somes of da L&P. No fruit or veg – some tomatoes and mushrooms but I think they will decorate the meat like baubles on a xmas tree.
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