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mikenmild

I’m no great punter, Brigitte, but $4 for a NZ win got some of my money. Long way to go yet…
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November 5, 2015 4:19pm
Longknives

“I’m no great punter, Brigitte, but $4 for a NZ win got some of my money.”

You’re freaking dreaming mate! NZ should have been paying $8 to win…
We have a top 20/20 and One Day team but in a Test at the Gabba against Starc and Johnson??
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November 5, 2015 4:25pm
sam green

@Shawn Herles – I don’t think Jesus loves you Shawn – not with the hatred you spew – he would be embarrassed.
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November 5, 2015 4:30pm
Reid

…Techworm confirms the brazen move by Gatestown product engineers:

“As more and more users are jumping the queue to download the Windows 10 through the Windows Insider Program, almost all of them have forgotten to check the Privacy Policy and Terms and Conditions users accept while downloading the Windows 10. If you study the privacy policy you will be startled at the amount of freedom you are giving Microsoft to spy on you.”

According to its Terms and Conditions, Microsoft has all but invited itself into your private domain 24/7:

“Microsoft collects information about you, your devices, applications and networks, and your use of those devices, applications and networks. Examples of data we collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; and application usage.”

According the Forbes writer Gordon Kelly, “.. despite offering some options to turn elements of tracking off, core data collection simply cannot be stopped.”

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/11/04/nsa-partner-in-crime-microsoft-admits-windows-10-auto-spying-cant-be-disabled/
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November 5, 2015 4:39pm
DJP6-25

Keeping Stock 8:04 am. Don’t be too sad. Their replacement is unlikely to be worse.
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November 5, 2015 4:44pm
Reid

http://www.aircrap.org/2015/10/28/us-confirms-climate-change-by-secret-climate-weapons/
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November 5, 2015 5:28pm
Shawn Herles

The US Didn’t Create ISIS — Assad and Saddam Did: Dictators pay a price for allying with Islamic terrorism

“The Russia-Iran-Assad axis and its useful idiots in the West claim that the United States created ISIS. Some of the loonier conspiracy sites that gleefully repost Russian propaganda allege that the Caliph of ISIS is a Jewish Mossad agent named Elliot Shimon or a CIA agent named Simon Elliot.

Elliot doesn’t exist, but ISIS’ Deputy Caliph Abu Ali al-Anbari, who was Saddam’s major general and a Baathist member, does. The Caliph’s right hand man, Abu Muslim al Turkmani, was also a Baathist and a lieutenant colonel in Saddam’s military intelligence organization before being killed by a drone strike.

Considering the history between Saddam and the USSR, it is likely that one or both of the Caliph’s deputies received training from Russian intelligence advisers during their careers. Turkmani’s DGMI in particular was closely entangled with the KGB. One of the reasons ISIS is much better than its Sunni Islamist opponents is that its top people had been trained by Soviet experts.

The ISIS blowback doesn’t lead to America, but in a completely different direction.

Before the Islamic State’s current incarnation, it was Al Qaeda in Iraq and its pipeline of suicide bombers ran through Syria with the cooperation of Assad’s government.

Assad and Al Qaeda in Iraq had a common enemy; the United States. Assad had a plan to kill two birds with one stone. Syrian Islamists, who might cause trouble at home, were instead pointed at Iraq. Al Qaeda got manpower and Assad disposed of Sunni Jihadists who might cause him trouble.

Meanwhile Al Qaeda openly operated out of Syria in alliance with the Baathists. While Syria’s regime was Shiite and Iraq’s Sunni, both governments were headed by Baathists.

The Al Nusrah Front, the current incarnation of Al Qaeda in the area ever since the terror group began feuding with ISIS, named one of its training camps, the ‘Abu Ghadiya Camp”. Abu Ghadiya had been chosen by Zarqawi, the former leader of the organization today known as ISIS, to move terrorists through Syria. This highway of terror killed more American soldiers than Saddam Hussein had.

The Al Qaeda presence in Syria was backed by Assad’s brother-in-law, Assef Shawkat, who had served as Director of Military Intelligence and Deputy Defense Minister. His real job though was coordinating Islamic terrorist organizations. During the Iraq War, he added Al Qaeda to his portfolio.

Handling terrorists without being burned is a tricky business though and the blowback kicked in.”

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260645/us-didnt-create-isis-assad-and-saddam-did-daniel-greenfield
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November 5, 2015 5:33pm
Shawn Herles

Russia’s Economy Is a Mess — and Its Problems Aren’t Going Away.

“Russia’s economy remains mired in a recession that leaves little room for the Kremlin to maneuver, as its foreign reserves dwindle and prices for basic goods continue to rise.”

https://news.vice.com/article/russias-economy-is-a-mess-and-its-problems-arent-going-away
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November 5, 2015 5:35pm
Reid

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/03/inside_the_uber_apocalypse_why_the_fast_growing_tech_giant_could_be_in_serious_trouble/
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November 5, 2015 5:39pm
Odakyu-sen

From the Herald
“New Zealand First’s deputy leader Ron Mark has been accused of racism for telling National MP Melissa Lee to “go back to Korea”.

Ron Mark could be accused of being xenophobic, but not necessarily racist. His dislike for Lee could have nothing to do with race at all, but be instead about her values and world view (which could have elements from Korean culture).
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November 5, 2015 6:02pm
Manolo

Could you imagine stephieboy’s elation if this happens in Auckalnd?
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/hamtramck-is-1st-american-city-to-elect-majority-muslim-council/36260616

Voters gave Abu Musa and Anam Miah another term in office. Saad Almasmari was elected for the first time. Now four of the six City Council members will be of Muslim faith.

It’s said to be the first majority Muslim City Council not only in Hamtramck but in the entire United States.
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November 5, 2015 6:52pm
cha

Canada’s new Minister of National Defense, Lt. Col. Harjit Sajjan: 3 tours of Afghanistan, 1 of Bosnia, first Sikh to command a Canadian Regiment and a detective in the Gang Crime Unit of the Vancouver Police Department.

Eat ya heart out Gerry.

http://i.imgur.com/j4yxrrq.jpg?1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_National_Defence_%28Canada%29
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November 5, 2015 7:15pm
Shawn Herles

Poll: Carson Pulls Black Voters From Hillary

“In a new national poll from Quinnipiac, Carson leads Clinton in a hypothetical match-up by ten points. A significant reason is that Carson appears to be taking away a significant number of black voters from Clinton.”

Suffer in yer jocks stephieboy! 🙂
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November 5, 2015 7:17pm
Shawn Herles

Sweden, the darling of nutjob Liberal-Leftists, has been turned into the rape capital of Europe, due to the very Liberal-Left/multicultural policies advocated by some on KB.

“A common conservative joke online is that if Tumblr were a country, it would look a lot like Sweden. Although some still see the Scandinavian nation as either a Christmas card full of blond-haired people listening to ABBA or a socialist paradise that America would be prudent to emulate, the truth is that Sweden is a place where violent crime has increased significantly over the last four decades.

Ever since the creation of Sweden’s much-hailed welfare state in the 1950s, generations of economic migrants and political refugees have been coming to this once very homogenous nation in droves. Both the Social Democratic Party and the nominally conservative Moderate Party have been the main engineers and architects of this multiculturalism, and both have taken credit for transforming Sweden into a multi-ethnic nation where women wearing hijabs can be seen strolling along streets that had once given ground to Vikings.

Despite such left-wing idealism, cracks in the facade have been showing for years. The city of Malmö today has a majority population from the Middle East and a disturbingly high rate of anti-Semitic violence. Malmö and sections of other major cities also sport the same kind of “no-go” zones seen in Paris and London. Elsewhere, Sweden has gained infamy as Europe’s “rape capital,” with statistics that put this developed country on par with the likes of India and South Africa.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/telling-truth-tumblrland_1057258.html
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November 5, 2015 7:21pm
mikenmild

He looks a bit foreign for such a sensitive job, cha. Ron Mark and Shawn would not approve.
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November 5, 2015 7:22pm
mikenmild

Nice to see. One of our better broadcasters:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/288913/kathryn-ryan-wins-international-radio-award
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November 5, 2015 7:23pm
cha

Canada’s new Minister of Transport Marc Garneau, physicist, electrical engineer, Naval Commander, Astronaut.

Simon wishes.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Marc_Garneau_STS-97.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Garneau
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November 5, 2015 7:23pm
SPC

Odakyu-sen, you are right about Mark’s difference with Lee, it being about what sort of New Zealand they support.

But he could have said New Zealand should continue to choose its own way of doing things – and those preferring another way could find other places where they could live. This keeps it on issue and without regard to her foreign place of birth.
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November 5, 2015 7:34pm
Reid

Sweden, the darling of nutjob Liberal-Leftists, has been turned into the rape capital of Europe, due to the very Liberal-Left/multicultural policies advocated by some on KB.

It’s actually due to the nutjob neocon policies, which have created the wave in the first place.

But don’t expect Captain Bananas to be admitting to that anytime soon, or ever.

Isn’t that right, Captain Bananas.

Here’s the evidence for the murderous nutjob neocons causing the whole thing in the first place.

Sheeple will be shocked and appalled.

But there we are. Inarguable.

This is why what’s really truly actually has happened.

Simple. As. That.

https://medium.com/dan-sanchez/seize-the-chaos-d065f507f0cc

https://medium.com/dan-sanchez/clean-break-to-dirty-wars-d5ebc5fda9f9
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November 5, 2015 7:37pm
cha

Wouldn’t vote leads by a nose.
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http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR130/
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November 5, 2015 7:46pm
Griff

Sweden has gained infamy as Europe’s “rape capital,” with statistics that put this developed country on par with the likes of India and South Africa.”

😆
You really should find out the reason Sweden has such high rape statistics instead of plastering wingnut propaganda all over the place from ignorance .
it aint why you think .
It is their definition of rape is extremely broad compared to almost all the rest of the world Rape is inclined to be prosecuted and reported more because of the Swedish society abhorrence of such crimes .
Just like our child abuse statistics keep rising not because it is actually happening more but because we have turned our cultural away from acceptance and denial of such things. The result of this cultural shift is child abuse is prosecuted and reported more.
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November 5, 2015 7:47pm
SPC

Reid, interesting links on the ME realpolitik, but they don’t support your argument re EU/Swedish policy.

IMO, the EU concept and its one labour market undermined the nation state – whereby defence of the nation state was to be anti-European and racist. Thus Europe was primed against defence of the nation state from the impact of labour flows across Europe and thus also opened up to external migration.

As support for Europe is bi-partisan (from both left and right), opposition to foreign labour/immigration was marginalised.
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November 5, 2015 7:49pm
Shawn Herles

“You really should find out the reason Sweden has such high rape statistics”

Muslim men ya blind Liberal twit. Your “rape might be this or that” is just Liberal wingnut bullshit.
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November 5, 2015 7:53pm
Shawn Herles

“It’s actually due to the nutjob neocon policies, which have created the wave in the first place.”

Sweden has been importing Muslims and third world immigrants for decades. They were the policies of the Swedish Liberal Left, not US neocons.

“But don’t expect Captain Bananas to be admitting to that anytime soon, or ever.”

I don’t admit things that are not true, unlike you.
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November 5, 2015 7:56pm
Griff

😆
gee so its religus nut jobs
or is it your ignorance.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

Sweden has the highest rape rate in Europe, author Naomi Wolf said on the BBC’s Newsnight programme recently. She was commenting on the case of Julian Assange, the Wikileaks founder who is fighting extradition from the UK to Sweden over rape and sexual assault allegations that he denies.
More or Less: Behind the stats

Is it true? Yes. The Swedish police recorded the highest number of offences – about 63 per 100,000 inhabitants – of any force in Europe, in 2010. The second-highest in the world.

This was three times higher than the number of cases in the same year in Sweden’s next-door neighbour, Norway, and twice the rate in the United States and the UK. It was more than 30 times the number in India, which recorded about two offences per 100,000 people.

On the face of it, it would seem Sweden is a much more dangerous place than these other countries.

But that is a misconception, according to Klara Selin, a sociologist at the National Council for Crime Prevention in Stockholm. She says you cannot compare countries’ records, because police procedures and legal definitions vary widely.

“In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics,” she says.

“So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record – one victim, one type of crime, one record.”

The thing is, the number of reported rapes has been going up in Sweden – it’s almost trebled in just the last seven years. In 2003, about 2,200 offences were reported by the police, compared to nearly 6,000 in 2010.

So something’s going on.

But Klara Selin says the statistics don’t represent a major crime epidemic, rather a shift in attitudes. The public debate about this sort of crime in Sweden over the past two decades has had the effect of raising awareness, she says, and encouraging women to go to the police if they have been attacked.

The police have also made efforts to improve their handling of cases, she suggests, though she doesn’t deny that there has been some real increase in the number of attacks taking place – a concern also outlined in an Amnesty International report in 2010.

“There might also be some increase in actual crime because of societal changes. Due to the internet, for example, it’s much easier these days to meet somebody, just the same evening if you want to. Also, alcohol consumption has increased quite a lot during this period.

“But the major explanation is partly that people go to the police more often, but also the fact that in 2005 there has been reform in the sex crime legislation, which made the legal definition of rape much wider than before.”
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November 5, 2015 7:57pm
Reid

Sweden has been importing Muslims and third world immigrants for decades.

One big elephant-in-room question is Captain, who let them in over the decades?

I think you’ll find plenty of conservatives in that equation. As well as liberals.

And of course once you get over the shock, it’s “why?”

Why oh why has “our” side dunnit just as much as the “enemy?”

Because it has.

Everyone can SEE that.

So.

Why?

Go on.
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November 5, 2015 7:58pm
wiseowl

Excellent posts on nzcpr about the underhand way New Zealanders are being treated over the most important resource of water.

You don’t do deals over something as important as water.

Water belongs to all of us.Full stop.
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November 5, 2015 7:58pm
renderer

The fact the Ms Bright is now playing the court system raises the hope that she will be slammed with substantial costs. This however would put her in a position where she will definitely be unable to pay her rates and accumulating interest. The thing that annoys the hell out of me is that I do not believe that Ms Bright has any intention of losing her house. I think she will play it out right to the wire and then cut a deal with the council to drip feed payments. This is crooked and is a far cry from the standards she supposedly expects from others
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November 5, 2015 7:58pm
mikenmild

Nice cha. This ‘wouldn’t vote’ character seems like the best bet for the Republican nomination.
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November 5, 2015 8:01pm
Shawn Herles

“One big elephant-in-room question is Captain, who let them in over the decades?”

Mostly the Liberal Left and the soft Right.

And the current wave if “refugees” was created by your friends Saddam and Assad allying themselves with Islamic terrorists.

Idiot.
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November 5, 2015 8:01pm
SPC

griff, read through the 7.57pm link.
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November 5, 2015 8:02pm
Shawn Herles

You actually think the BBC ever tells the truth about Muslims Griff, or never ceases to obfuscate the threat of Islam?

LMAO!!! 🙂

Have another toke on your bong boy. It’s doing your brain a world of good!
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November 5, 2015 8:02pm
nasska

Griff

Differences in reporting will have some bearing but it seems an unfortunate trend within countries with increasing Muslim populations.

The Islamic culture is one of treating women like shit & this is backed up by their wretched religion. The invasion of Europe will not end well.
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November 5, 2015 8:03pm
SPC

The left liked the diminishment of national chauvinism, the right liked an open labour market for economic reasons – together they built the Europe we can observe today.
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November 5, 2015 8:05pm
SPC

shawn has a point – that the BBC could do a serious report on rape in Sweden and not mention how many of those charged are Moslems is possibly the biggest tell that some of the MSM cover up stuff.
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November 5, 2015 8:12pm
cha

Indeed Mike, he/she looks to be a damn good alternative to the caring conservative who reckons children should suffer and being murdered at school is just stuff happens.

But he saved particular criticism for the decision of the Food and Drug Administration’s recent support of a version of slow-release OxyContin for children.

“This is not appropriate,” he said. “We have to take a pause and recognize that pain is part of life. You have to monitor pain and deal with it.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/jeb-bush-prescription-drugs-215522
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November 5, 2015 8:18pm
Reid

that the BBC could do a serious report on rape in Sweden and not mention how many of those charged are Moslems is possibly the biggest tell that some of the MSM cover up stuff.

It’s simply the feminist-PC-media-hierarchy SPC. Women being raped comes below mentioning the race of the rapist when it’s not convenient for the propaganda being promulgated at the time.

Which is a massive tell into the feminist mindset.

That they don’t care about the people whom they profess to exist for.

But that’s social engineering, isn’t it.

Luckily, everyone understands how it works.

Don’t we.

Same thing happens with black vs white crime in the US. For example. Whites killing blacks get reported, blacks killing whites, meh.

Everyone knows that.

Right?

Social engineering.
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November 5, 2015 8:24pm
nasska

From cha’s link:

….”“This is not appropriate,” he said. “We have to take a pause and recognize that pain is part of life. You have to monitor pain and deal with it. But overprescribing creates all sorts of adverse problems as well.””….

A typical religioconservative arsehole who would have a sick child needlessly suffer because it’s good for their souls. OxyContin is a powerful narcotic used in terminal illnesses….it’s not given for bloody toothache!
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November 5, 2015 8:28pm
Griff

Don’t get me wrong nasska I do know how Muslims think better than most on here
I have Muslim friends and yes they have some disturbing ideas about woman as do Indian men compared to our liberal society’s expectations .
But to say Sweden has such high statistics because of Muslim immigration ignores the truth of why it is so high compared to other places with a large Muslim community.
For instance In Sweden poke a chick against her will is the crime of rape here that would be the separate crime of sexual assault ,
as well surveys of the population report no increase in sexual assault only the police statistics have risen.
This graph illustrates the point the link is from wiki as the report it comes from is in Swedish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rate_of_exposure_to_sexual_offences_unchanged_2005-2013.svg
English: Total number of sex crimes reported in Sweden, and number of reported rape cases vs. percentage of respondents exposed to sexual offences (including rape) in annual victim survey. The rate of exposure to sexual offences have remained relatively unchanged, despite an increase in the number of crime reports. This is largely due to reforms in sex crime legislation 2005, widening of the definition of rape, and an effort by the Swedish police to decrease the number of unreported cases.
Total number of sex crimes reported*
Number of reported rape cases*
Respondents exposed to sexual offences (incl. rape) in annual victim survey, %
*Includes incidents that might have been proven legal after criminal investgation
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November 5, 2015 8:34pm
cha

Jeb’s clan knows a thing or two about prescription narcotics.

The Baxter Bean
‏@TheBaxterBean

#JebCanFixIt Jeb’s Daughter Arrested Multiple Times For Drug Possession, GOT NO JAIL TIME http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-drug-problems-for-noelle-bush/ …

https://twitter.com/TheBaxterBean/status/661264293640478720

The Baxter Bean
‏@TheBaxterBean

#JebCanFixIt Judge Overseeing Gov. Jeb Bush Daughter’s Rehab Got $900K In FL Gov’t Grants http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2947608/Bush-ebook-chapter-details-emails-Florida-

https://twitter.com/TheBaxterBean/status/661263385171009537
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November 5, 2015 8:40pm
nasska

….”But to say Sweden has such high statistics because of Muslim immigration ignores the truth of why it is so high compared to other places with a large Muslim community.”….

Yes & no. I accept that the way crimes are reported is a big part of the increase but there’s no shortage of anecdotal evidence that sexual abuse of women & girls has increased in the past two decades. Only the MSM, academia & government spin merchants who don’t want to stigmatise Muslims tell otherwise.
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November 5, 2015 8:41pm
Griff

Nasska the survey is of the people of Sweden by their Statistisk årsbok statistics Sweden not some academic wankfest .

They say that the incidence of sexual crimes reported by the victim surveys of the population over the last ten years has if any thing gone down. The number of crimes reported the the police has however gone up. This shows a cultural shift in the way rape is perceived by the police and prosecuted not a rise in actual sexual assault.

You are jumping on the wingnut conspiracy bandwagon when facts dont support your prejudice.
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November 5, 2015 9:05pm
nasska

A study querying whether Swedish women feel less raped than they did last year has to be subjective Griff. I prefer cold facts such as convictions to emotive waffle.

Anyway, Cast your mind to this: http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/175434/1-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-sexual-assaults-daniel-greenfield
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November 5, 2015 9:26pm
SPC

Two efforts at quantifying the influence of migrants on Swedish crime.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/sweden-77-6-percent-of-all-rapes-in-the-country-committed-by-muslim-males-making-up-2-percent-of-population/
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November 5, 2015 9:39pm
Fletch

Amnesty International reports that Sweden has the highest number of rapes in Europe and the lowest conviction rate. According to Swedish Public Radio, in Stockholm alone, over 1,000 Swedish women reported that a Muslim immigrant raped them; 300 were under age 15. (One third of those living in Stockholm are immigrants; 24 percent are Muslim). These numbers represent only 25 percent of all rapes in Stockholm because officials claim the majority are unreported. Despite this, the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention and the European Commissioner for Home Affairs “refuse to admit the assailants are Muslim.”

Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%. Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa.

http://100percentfedup.com/shocking-video-new-rape-clinic-men-opens-sweden-muslim-asylum-seekers-raping-swedish-citizens-alarming-rate/
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November 5, 2015 9:49pm
SPC

To put the evidence into context, all foreign migrant groups into Sweden have higher crime rates than locals. And especially rape. Thus it is a fact that becoming multi-cultural has increased the risk to local women.

The Behavioural Science Unit of the FBI did research on crimes of violence against women back in the 1980’s – they looked for a link to porn and found none. Scandinavia and Japan had porn but (at the time) low rates of such crime.

They noted that the risk was high where there was ethnic diversity and this diversity was related to economic disadvantage – men of these groups would commit crimes of violence against women.

Note the gatestoneinstitute link, national comparison, and where New Zealand is ranked.
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November 5, 2015 9:52pm
cha

RHINO!!.

George Bush Sr: ‘iron-ass’ Cheney and ‘arrogant’ Rumsfeld damaged America

Former US president George HW Bush has hit out at Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, two of the most senior figures in his son’s administration, labelling them too “hardline” and “arrogant” in their handling of the 11 September attacks.

A new biography of the 41st president – Destiny and Power: The American Odyssey Of George Herbert Walker Bush – reveals that Bush Sr held Cheney and Rumsfeld responsible for the hawkish stance that “hurt” his son’s administration, Fox News reported on Wednesday.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/05/george-bush-senior-iron-ass-cheney-arrogant-rumsfeld-damaged-america
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November 5, 2015 10:06pm
KevinH

Full text of the TPPA has been released: http://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text.
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November 5, 2015 10:12pm
wreck1080

Ah yes, the TPPA .

The 3 strikes file infringement law appears to be gone.

ISP’s are required to ‘expeditiously’ hand the names of ‘alleged’ pirates to the copyright holders.

In Article 18.82: Legal Remedies and Safe Harbours, paragraph 7.

Tiny little paragraph, huge implications. I’m not a lawyer of course, but how hard is it to read?
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November 5, 2015 10:23pm
wreck1080

@kevinH:: what idiot would downtick you for publishing a fact?

Whoever did that, identify yourselves and say why you downticked?
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November 5, 2015 10:24pm
Viking2

No doubt one of our indeginous lot will want to claim their “lost ” treasure.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/73718235/finding-time-for-business-development-when-there-is-none
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November 6, 2015 6:57am
Viking2

Another Nick Smith, Bill English balls up.

102 houses built out of target of 39,000

Two years on, the three-year Auckland Housing Accord has just one shining success story, an extensive pipeline of houses planned but not yet built and some once-shimmering dreams that have turned out to be false hopes.

The single success story — Weymouth — accounts for almost half of the affordable homes consented, and almost all the houses actually built, in the 97 special housing areas set up by the accord.

Another 25 areas have at least some building permits for new homes under way, and most of the rest are at various stages of planning.

But other dreams have come to nothing. Some properties in special housing areas have simply been land-banked or on-sold without a single house being built.

BUT there’s more;

The project to develop 295 homes on a 16ha former farm for the Weymouth child welfare home, announced in the first month of the accord, had the huge advantage of a $29 million upfront grant from the now-defunct Social Housing Fund to a consortium of the Tamaki Collective of Auckland Maori tribes, the Maori Trustee, the NZ Housing Foundation and the Community of Refuge Trust (CORT).

Housing Foundation director Brian Donnelly says the grant will allow every home to come in under the “affordable” limits. About 200 are being “retained” by the foundation, the Maori Trustee, CORT and other social housing providers as rent-to-buy or long-term rentals, and 95 are being sold at prices currently advertised from $455,000 for three bedrooms and $520,000 for four bedrooms.

The Maori Trustee will retain about 63 homes through the Auckland and Onehunga Hostels Endowment Trust whose name it has changed to Te Tumu Kainga. It is taking all Maori families selected for rent-to-buy homes (about 50) and long-term rentals (12 or 13).

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11540800
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SO THE WHOLE HOUSING DEAL IS A FAILURE IN AUCKLAND APART FROM ONE LOT WHICH HAS SUCCEEDED ONLY BECAUSE THE TAXPAYER HAS PONIED UP WITH A ZILLION MORE DOLLARS FOR THE ENTITLED ONES OF THE NATIONAL PARTY.

When are those two quitting??

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11540789

The “affordable” threshold, set at 75 per cent of the region’s median house price, is now $578,250. But Ivan Frisken, who is building 140 homes in one of the first SHAs, in Murphys Rd, Flat Bush, said land values had risen so fast that each section was now worth about $500,000 and completed houses would sell for at least $1.1 million.
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November 6, 2015 7:12am
Manolo

The ancient socialist on the attack:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanders-takes-gloves-off-against-hillary-clinton-in-interview-1446684586

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is drawing sharper distinctions with front-runner Hillary Clinton, casting her policy reversals over the years as a character issue that voters should take into account when they evaluate the Democratic field.
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November 6, 2015 7:53am
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I hear that Presland is supporting Angry Andrew at the labour conference. Not sure if he has been told to toe the party line or just plain stupid. My money is on both as he is on the outer and trying to claw his way back into the fold. I know he is not trusted because of Cunners who is trying to make a comeback.
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