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Yoza

Rik Mayall (7 March 1958 – 9 June 2014). Very sad.

“I feel sorry for you, you zeros, you nobodies. What’s going to live on after you die? Nothing, that’s what!

This house will become a shrine! And punks and skins and Rastas will all gather round and all hold their hands in sorrow for their fallen leader! And all the grown-ups will say, ‘But why are the kids crying?’ And the kids will say, ‘Haven’t you heard? Rick is dead! The People’s Poet is dead!’

And then one particularly sensitive and articulate teenager will say, ‘Why kids, do you understand nothing? How can Rick be dead when we still have his poems?’.

The People’s Poem:

What do you think you’re doing
PIG?
Do you really give a FIG,
PIG?
And what’s your favourite GIG,
PIG?
Barry Manilow …
or the Black and White Minstrel Show!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NP-kD4C1SA
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June 10, 2014 8:00am
Harriet

Happy Birthday Mum. 😎
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June 10, 2014 8:00am
dishy

Whenever Mr Cunliffe is asked about the post-election accommodation that his party would need to make with the rest of its coalition (as to policy, cabinet membership etc) he tells us that both we and he will have to wait till after the election – till “the people have spoken” (he seems to assume – wrongly – that we even get to vote on these matters).

But lately, Labour has announced major economic (Kiwisaver v OCR), electoral (coat-tailing) and judicial (Canterbury Earthquake Court) reforms. So either this latest talk is hollow, hopeful rhetoric, or Mr Cunliffe has been lying about doing deals with the other parties (who would have all sorts of things to say about such reforms). No wonder my dog growls when he sees Mr Cunliffe on the telly.

At least under FPP, the winner was in a position to deliver on pre-election promises. With a lefty coalition of lackwit allsorts, who the hell knows what we’re going to get?

My dog also growls when he hears “MMP”.
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June 10, 2014 8:01am
hj

A man who had just arrived in town struck up a conversation with an old Quaker. “What were the people like”? the Quaker asked: “a lot of homophobic bigots” was the reply. “Thee will find those people here” he replied. Another person arrived. “What were the people like”? he asked. “Awww some were good, some were bad”. “Thee will find those people here” he said.

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/06/09/small-town-nz-bigotry/#comment-224302
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June 10, 2014 8:01am
Pete George

Colin Craig continues to wave in the wilderness hoping National will make his Conservative campaign viable but Key has deliberately avoided him “under the orders of his wife”.

Craig’s Conservatives cold shouldered.
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June 10, 2014 8:03am
RightNow

Rest in peace Rik. Thank you for all the joy
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June 10, 2014 8:12am
All_on_Red

Vale Rik Mayall
Captain Flasheart
” an aero plane is like a women. Get inside her five times a day and take her to heaven and back- woof woof”
Captain Flasheart to Baldrick ( Baldrick is being used as a foot stool)
” Have you ever felt the wind through your ears, Paarp paaarp, well now you have”

Alan B’stard
“Just make the cheque out to Christian All Saints Hospital , c.a.s.h for short”
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June 10, 2014 8:14am
wiseowl

The Hastings District Council is spending $28,000 creating two filling stations for people who don’t want to drink flouridated
water FFS.
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June 10, 2014 8:21am
wiseowl

Does the United Future Party still have 500 pained up, sorry ,paid up members?
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June 10, 2014 8:24am
Scott Chris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKGUv-3r63Y
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June 10, 2014 8:27am
mike tan

It would be unwise of National to associate with the Conservatives, that would be a gift to the left. NZ is not religious enough a country for their social policies to attract any significant level of support.
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June 10, 2014 8:35am
wiseowl

Mike that is just absolute crap.
The Conservatives are not religion based or driven and I am sick of the continual effort of some to discredit the Party by repeating this lie.
The Conservatives are actually more aligned to policies that National used to pursue but dispensed with to hold on to power at all costs.
The best thing that National could do is go with the CP and get away from the ride every horse Dunne or the Act dreamers.

(no I am not a member of the CP)
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June 10, 2014 8:42am
Colville

mike tan.

IMHO you are flat out wrong. There are probably 10% of the population that could vote Cons and a lot of those people are PI labour voters. The got 60,000 viotes last time,approx what ACT UF and MANA got combined.

The trick for National is how to get the Cons on board without pissing everybody else off.
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June 10, 2014 8:44am
SPC

Old white men waiting for leadership

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11270738

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11270973
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June 10, 2014 8:45am
dirty harry

http://entertainment.msn.co.nz/article.aspx?id=8857435

A sad day indeed , you were my favourite Young One Rik.

RIP.
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June 10, 2014 8:45am
ciaron

NZ is not religious enough a country for their social policies to attract any significant level of support.

So, what you’re saying, is that people who hold to social policies commensurate with their faith are not entitled to representation?
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June 10, 2014 8:45am
nasska

Voting Conservative because you’re angry with National is like sawing your balls off because your trousers are too tight.
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June 10, 2014 8:47am
bc

Pretty bloody brilliant, Yoza (said with a lisp)

Grew up with “The Young Ones”. In my youth, I could just about recite the episodes off by heart. Going to watch the DVD’s tonight and remember Rik Mayall with a smile.
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June 10, 2014 8:48am
Colville

NZ creeping toward 500 in the first innings of an away testmatch. When was the last time that happened? 🙂
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June 10, 2014 8:54am
Pete George

NBR in Coat-tail deals ‘a few weeks away’, says Key.

“Whether we do any, all or none of them, is a few weeks away,” said Key of the potential deals, which he only offer meaningfully for Act, United Future and the Conservatives as National is weak in the Maori electorate of Waiariki where the Maori Party leader, Te Uruora Flavell, must win.

Asked whether he was willing still to do an electorate deal for Craig, Key said “he hasn’t approached me”, but believed Craig was not seeking such an arrangement, citing public comments earlier this year.

That is not sounding very hopeful for Craig.
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June 10, 2014 8:54am
fernglas

To solve this problem of coat-tailing, or at least to bring some honesty into it, I would set up a party which promised to vote with National on everything, undertook that its constituency MPs would work within the constituency on behalf of all constituents, and promised integrity in its conduct. Ideology would be irrelevant, as the vote for National would be a given and a platform for election. The other two matters are something which politics seems to have forgotten but which transcend ideology. And there we go; no rampant liberal free marketeering gay bashing god bothering racist fringe parties, just the devil we know and a bit of grassroots work in the community. I know I’m too late to register a party but a backdoor takeover of Uffindell’s mob should work, and Dotcom would approve of that.

I’d vote for me. Anyone else?
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June 10, 2014 8:55am
SGA

ciaron at 8:45 am

NZ is not religious enough a country for their social policies to attract any significant level of support.

So, what you’re saying, is that people who hold to social policies commensurate with their faith are not entitled to representation?

I didn’t read it that way – he’s not telling people not to vote CP, but that a very CP-friendly Nats might scare some of Nats voters (I think that’s his point).
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June 10, 2014 8:57am
Pete George

I’, mot likely to back “a party which promised to vote with National on everything” – what would be the point? Any separate party should have separate aims and policies and should at least hold the option of voting against any other party.
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June 10, 2014 8:59am
Ed Snack

Mike Tan has it rtight, those who want to claim that the Conservatives “are actually more aligned to policies that National used to pursue but dispensed with to hold on to power at all costs.” need to explain wy they want to resurrect Muldoon and Muldoonism. The conservative party’s economic policies are a joke, a cross between NZ First and who knows what, and socially they are simply opportunistic button pushers.

Yes, there’s a religious vote block out there, it ain’t huge but it exists. I may even have some sympathy with some of their professed aims; but economically, not so much. They’re a fringe party and destined to remain fringe and exist only by the power of Craig’s money.
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June 10, 2014 8:59am
nasska

JK is fortunately a “big picture” man. Instead of catering to the whims of the conservative Godaddled he knows that when it becomes obvious that the CCCP are stuffed without an electorate deal their supporters will grudgingly get back in behind National or refrain from voting.

There’s nowhere else for them to go
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June 10, 2014 9:01am
SPC

I suspect the Civilian Party would become a serious challenger to the government if it sought to monopolise the infidel vote.

It could quickly become a global movement, like the Greens, as a repository for anti-Moslem immigrant sentiment.

An alliance with an anti-Christian party of secular liberals could soon dominate western politics.
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June 10, 2014 9:02am
hj

Radio NZ Morning Report just read a letter in which someone used the phrase “___ an idiot like Colin Craig”.

I’ve never heard anything like that before.
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June 10, 2014 9:03am
Harriet

“…..It would be unwise of National to associate with the Conservatives, that would be a gift to the left….”

Yeah….there’s Catholics & the Uniting Churches who vote Labour. Pacific Islanders too. Most Koreans are Catholic also.

When was the last time you heard the left talking to Religious people nicely – instead of taking them for granted and disparaging their Religious views and Doctrine?

Mr Craig is appealing to a lot of people. 😎
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June 10, 2014 9:03am
hj

SPC (5,138 comments) says:
June 10th, 2014 at 8:45 am

*Old white men* waiting for leadership
……
A pergorative term of course!
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June 10, 2014 9:05am
dirty harry

Whoever is thumbing down comments about Rik Mayell ( and I have my suspicions ) needs to get out more.

What a bore you must be. No wonder you are single.
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June 10, 2014 9:06am
Longknives

Agreed Dirty Harry- Even I gave Yoza a ‘Green Tick’ for his Mayall tribute (And Me and Yoza don’t usually see ‘eye to eye’…)
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June 10, 2014 9:09am
SGA

dirty harryat 9:06 am

Whoever is thumbing down comments about Rik Mayell ( and I have my suspicions ) needs to get out more.

Vyvyan, perhaps?
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June 10, 2014 9:09am
Colville

So Neesham goes out (107?) and next over we get 13 runs and Southee smacks a six. 🙂
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June 10, 2014 9:11am
Harriet

Ed Snack#

“…..Yes, there’s a religious vote block out there, it ain’t huge but it exists. I may even have some sympathy with some of their professed aims; but economically, not so much. They’re a fringe party and destined to remain fringe and exist only by the power of Craig’s money….”

Hardly. You don’t get to spend all of the budget from simply getting between 5-10% of the vote. They’re the best fit for National.
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June 10, 2014 9:12am
wiseowl

I am really surprised naskar.
I think you have been brainwashed by JK.
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June 10, 2014 9:16am
Changeiscoming

Pete George get over yourself and your own lack of knowledge of NZ politics. Most of what you post is flat out wrong and most likely just typed to increase your comment count.

You obviously have a very large bias against the Conservatives. But you should really stop making stuff up and spouting off as though you have some knowledge.
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June 10, 2014 9:17am
wiseowl

If JK was a “big picture ” man he wouldn’t have catered to the whims of the racist party and led the country on a separatist path.
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June 10, 2014 9:20am
Manolo

Good on the leaders of Australia and Canada: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8857471/jobs-come-before-climate-leaders

Nick Smith, Griff and stephie will be bitterly disappointed. Meanwhile in NZ, Key’s Labour Lite government continues to extract money from the population with the ETS tax.
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June 10, 2014 9:21am
SPC

hj, I was surprised to learn that a black American was head of that grand old dame of the south, the Southern Baptist Convention. And that a Korean American wanted to contest the succession to that post.
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June 10, 2014 9:21am
SPC

Harry, if the Conservatives do not expect any policy wins from supporting a government why are they in politics? Is it really just Craig using his money to exploiting the beliefs of voters to deliver seats to National so they can win elections?
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June 10, 2014 9:23am
Pete George

Changeiscoming – if you’re going to spout off like that you could at least try and prove some of your claims. What have I posted that is “flat out wrong”?

I don’t have “a very large bias against the Conservatives”, I comment on all parties. I’ve also pointed out Greens difficulties this morning – Green election prospects.
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June 10, 2014 9:23am
mike tan

I only give my opinion on the potential impact that an affiliation with CP will have on National voters (not making any judgement as to the merits of the CP policies or whether or not people should vote for them). John Key works with incomplete information and takes risks that he perceives to be the most likely to yield a positive outcome, an affiliation with CP will scare some National voters away, but it will bring some voters too, the question is, will the number you gain be higher than the ones you scare off, in my view, the risk outweighs any possible reward (especially so considering that everything is running very smoothly for the right wing establishment and there is no need to “knock the boat”), and as stated above, the CP voters are likely to vote National anyway (in a situation with the CP vote isn’t available).
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June 10, 2014 9:24am
Manolo

Peter George, aka Peter Dunne’s foot soldier, continues his personal crusade/campaign against Colin Craig.

The man from Dunedin will be delighted if his supreme and only boss is returned to Parliament by the Ohariu electorate, because the leaky fantasist means everything to him.
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June 10, 2014 9:25am
Pete George

One thing National will be weighing up is the fringe party effect.

If they want to go hard against Labour by scaring voters off the chances of an Internet-MANA coalition then they won’t want to be counter-accused of using and needing the Conservatives.
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June 10, 2014 9:28am
stephieboy

wiseowl (648 comments) says:
June 10th, 2014 at 8:42 am

What is the Con Party’s official position on the Apollo Moon landings,9/11 as an inside job and Chen trails, Birtherism etc.???
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June 10, 2014 9:30am
Griff

mmp
At lest we now have a chance to see the maneuvering
Before such deals were thrashed out by different factions within either party behind closed doors with the average voter having no knowledge of who, what or why these things came about
It also allowed mass fortunes to be accrued by crony capitalist deals made without the electorates knowledge.
It would be easy to list new Zealand’s rich family’s today who became so by the old import license scams This allowed some to monopolize our economy with crap goods sold at exuberant prices. All decided by political party’s in closed secret meetings.
Any one old enough will remember the pleas to those lucky enough to go overseas to buy consumer goods or whatever because we were not given such choice in the home market.
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June 10, 2014 9:31am
Judith

@ Manolo (12,948 comments) says:
June 10th, 2014 at 9:25 am

The only way Peter Dunne would be returned is if there is a ‘cup of tea’ deal.

Which begs the question – how can Dunne claim he is a popular and efficient MP, if the only way he gets into parliament is via the back door? (with Nationals support).

Surely this means that MP’s like Dunne, that can’t make it on their own, dilute the quality of government?
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June 10, 2014 9:31am
SGA

mike tan at 9:24 am

there is no need to “knock the boat”

The expression is actually “rock the boat”, but I like yours too.
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June 10, 2014 9:31am
Harriet

“…….obvious that the CCCP are stuffed without an electorate deal their supporters will grudgingly get back in behind National or refrain from voting…..”

That’s what we’d expect from a coward like you. But we don’t fall into line. 😎
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June 10, 2014 9:32am
Pete George

Manolo, funny to see you reverting to your personal attack crusade when Conservatives come up – it makes you look like you’re going in to bat for Colin bigtime.

Conservative supporters seem to have something in common with far left activists – if they feel politically threatened they fall back on personal attacks absent any factual arguments.
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June 10, 2014 9:33am
Tarquin North

Sad to see Rick leave us. The New Statesman was a great series that should be compulsory viewing for all aspiring politicians. I had Alan B’stard as my avatar in another life. R.I.P Mr Mayall.
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June 10, 2014 9:36am
dime

Shitty news that Alan B’stard is no longer with us 🙁

LOVED that show as a young Dime. Rewatched the first 2 seasons last year. Still hilarious.
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June 10, 2014 9:37am
stephieboy

Is the rumour true that Ugly Truth, Reid, Wikii and Conservative Party members and supporters are getting behind the $5 million drive to find a whistleblower for flight MH370, ?,

http://time.com/2844840/mh370-whistleblower-fund/
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June 10, 2014 9:40am
Judith

Colin Craig is appealing as yesterdays cold porridge, and personally, comes across as ‘desperate’, inexperienced, and a bit of a ‘mamby pamby’.

He is quite literally living in the past and will gain votes with his ‘nostalgia’ campaign. But in reality little of what he promotes can ever be achieved. He’s as bad as the other parties offering their candy and chocolate policies.

The world is a very different place from two or three decades ago. No matter how hard the Conservatives try, they will not succeed in dragging us back there. No matter how better off we might be for reliving those times, the fact is they simply will not work in this day and age. The only thing they will do, if they are part of a coalition government is unbalance the house further. Should a disaster occur and the next government is National/Conservatives/Maori/UF – then God help us.

I’d rather see Key rule alone, than have that sort of nightmare, which in my opinion would be as disastrous as a L/G/NZ1/IP coalition.
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June 10, 2014 9:42am
dime

“Conservative supporters seem to have something in common with far left activists – if they feel politically threatened they fall back on personal attacks absent any factual arguments.”

heres a factual argument – your master is a whore.

Dime managed to find time saturday to reply to Dungs tweet:

“It’s now time for liberal, disillusioned ACT voters to switch their support to @UnitedNZ to give John Key a reliable coalition partner”

By liberal does he mean left wing? the yanks interpretation?

Cause Dime believes in liberty and that doesnt include things like a car park tax and all the nanny state shit this chump dreams up
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June 10, 2014 9:45am
big bruv

stephieboy

“What is the Con Party’s official position on the Apollo Moon landings,9/11 as an inside job and Chen trails etc.???”

Don’t know, don’t care. His ideas cannot be any more bat shit crazy than the Greens continuing support for the con that is man made climate change.
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June 10, 2014 9:46am
Pete George

Should a disaster occur and the next government is National/Conservatives/Maori/UF – then God help us.

That would depend on what the numbers are.

If National are dependent on all of Conservatives/Maori/UF for a majority then it will be very difficult for them.

UF on their (his) own would oppose a bit but wouldn’t be much of a problem.

Conservatives are an unknown as far as political pragmatism goes. If smacking and/or referenda are bottom lines then I think it would be doomed.

A National/Maori Party majority would be interesting. That’s what we have now but it’s largely inconsequential leading up to the election.
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June 10, 2014 9:47am
mike tan

Judith raises an interesting point in that she refers to the National/Maori coalition. I think that bringing the CP in has the additional risk of upsetting this relationship (as they have the image of being less friendly than National where Maori issues are concerned)
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June 10, 2014 9:48am
Harriet

SPC#

I wouldn’t know what the CCCP want. I don’t have anything to do with the party.

However they would work well with National as Christians/conservatives do care about the poor [so long as the poor really care about themselves ] which keeps National from being to lefty soft or hard rightest. It’s issue by issue as it always is.
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June 10, 2014 9:49am
wiseowl

stephie girl.
Chen trails may have something to do with gold mining ?

You obviously feel threatened by the CP by repeating the media designed, left agenda, denigrating, insulting put downs of CC that are trotted out ad nauseum by those who seem to be determined to denigrate him.
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June 10, 2014 9:51am
stephieboy

big bruv, the debate on climate change is nothing compared to Colin Craig querying the Apollo Moon landings conspiracy.There also appear to be Birthers and Tea baggers swelling their ranks if Manolo and Fletch are anything to go by.
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June 10, 2014 9:51am
Pete George

dime – I don’t have and I’ve never had any political ‘master’. I’ve made clear a number of times I have no more to do with UF and Dunne now than I have to do with any other party or leader.

And I’m open and honest about it, unlike Colin’s crew here.
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June 10, 2014 9:52am
Judith

My ‘proposed’ coalition left out Act.

Given the past week I’m not 100% convinced Act will get their past levels of support.

Is Key going to be stuck with a big dilemma because ACT may not get enough of a percentage to get more than one MP in the house, in which case, he would be better off not making a deal, and having a National MP in Epsom?

Does anyone have any idea of what percentage ACT might get?
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June 10, 2014 9:53am
dirty harry

Dont be silly Judith…
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June 10, 2014 9:54am
SPC

One presumes National would do due diligence if it was fostering the Conservative Party into parliament – as to what they would seek in return for coalition.

If so, they should inform the rest of us what is involved prior to the election.
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June 10, 2014 9:54am
nasska

Colin the Crazy will stun the nation when he announces that the moon is made of cream cheese & he has that on good authority from the little green men who visited him last night. 🙂
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June 10, 2014 9:56am
Pete George

I think it’s too soon to tell what ACT might get. We’ll have to see what happens once the Banks stuff fades a bit.

I think ACT stand a reasonable chance of retaining Epsom. Party vote could be anywhere from 1-3% depending on how well Whyte and Seymour campaign.
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June 10, 2014 9:56am
stephieboy

dumbowl , I just happen to think that the CP is a bit of joke with supporters like you and those I just mentioned .
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June 10, 2014 9:57am
Judith

[so long as the poor really care about themselves ]

And this is where Colin Craig is out of touch.

It is usually the inability to care about themselves, that makes a person poor. Should a person have enough fortitude, and pre-planning ability, then usually they don’t become poor in the first place (baring disaster).

IT is the ability to make the poor care more about themselves, that is needed. Through education, opportunity and incentives to make them lift their ‘caring’ and develop a work ethic, eventually becoming self-sufficient.
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June 10, 2014 9:59am
big bruv

The fact that we have to do deals with the political whore from Karori still rips my undies. For me Dunne is no better than any of the Greens or the scum from Labour. In some ways Dunne is worse, no other MP has the same feeling of self importance that Dunne has.

Dunne needs to be told that if the Nat’s are going to do a deal with him this time then the rules will change, Dunne should be reminded that he is there at the behest of the Nat’s and that he is to do what he is told.
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June 10, 2014 10:03am
Pete George

ACT are currently on 2.2% at iPredict, having settled down after a splurge to 4% a month ago, I think that’s a reasonable prediction. I don’t think choosing Banks plus the cup of tea debacle did their party vote any good last election.
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June 10, 2014 10:03am
Elaycee

Given the left has embraced the convenient ‘merger’ between Mana and Dotcom (that improves the chances of coat tailing extra MPs but allows both parties to go their separate ways after the election), they could hardly whinge if a similar arrangement was announced between (say) ACT and the Conservatives.

Especially if Epsom was held by ACT and Craig achieved ~3% of the party vote.

Just saying…..
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June 10, 2014 10:05am
Ryan Sproull

Good to see that ACT’s David Seymour is doing the Big Sleep Out, raising money and awareness of homelessness in New Zealand.

You can donate to his or other public figures’ fundraising efforts here:

http://bigsleepout.org.nz/page/davidseymoursfundraisingpage
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June 10, 2014 10:06am
cha

Jerad Miller – Benghazi, chemtrails, guns and Bundy.

https://twitter.com/Gus_802/status/476034510094467073/photo/1

https://twitter.com/splcenter/status/476032816799424513/photo/1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6b2y9jVkAo
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June 10, 2014 10:06am
RRM

Baron von Richthoven: Ah, and the Lord Flasheart. This is indeed an honour. Finally, the two greatest gentleman fliers in the world meet. Two men of honour, who have jousted together in the cloud-strewn glory of the skies, face to face at last. How often I have rehearsed this moment of destiny in my dreams. The panoply to encapsulate the unspoken nobility of a comradeship.

[Flasheart shoots von Richthoven]

Lord Flasheart: What a poof!
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June 10, 2014 10:09am
Griff

Go big bruv cheer up Griff on a rainy day.
Care to expand on the massive conspiracy that sees the wolds scientific organizations all colluding in a giant hoax.
Here is just a partial; list of organizations involved in your scam for you to consider and explain.
http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php
Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l’Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

We need a separate party for you conspiracy nuts to vote for
we could call it the Wingnuts Against Conspiracy Kinship Organization or some such.

W.A.C.K.O

Would fit the membership profile nicely.
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June 10, 2014 10:12am
big bruv

“Good to see that ACT’s David Seymour is doing the Big Sleep Out”

Why is this good?

The “big sleep out” is bullshit, nothing more than a beat up for the scum from the left.

There is NO reason to be homeless in NZ, for Seymour to be conned into attending this event smacks of desperation.
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June 10, 2014 10:14am
Judith

big bruv (12,641 comments) says:
June 10th, 2014 at 10:14 am

There is NO reason to be homeless in NZ

I don’t know about that – Earthquakes, Floods and rising rent prices are pretty good ways to be without or unable to afford a home – just saying 🙂
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June 10, 2014 10:19am
flipper

Out there, in the land of the great unwashed, there are a plethora of political positions held by a plethora of voters or would be voters.

There are, of course, the committed activists who will fight to the end in pursuit of their perceived solution to mankind’s problems (real or imagined).

There are fiscal conservatives, red necks, religious nutters of various kind, and there are moderate activists.

But IMV, the majority of New Zealanders want a stable Government that runs down the centre white line (no pun or reference to Maoridom intended) – even among those who are committed both mentally and physically (in the sense of being actively involved) to a particular party.

As I have said several times before, more than 40 years ago Stuart Alsop wrote the definitive an analysis of the US electorate. His conclusion was that he who controlled the centre won. By and large it has been no different here, MMP notwithstanding. Let us be honest, when the economy was running at 110% (no thanks to Clark/Cullen, rather a confluence of fortunate circumstances) many would be middle roaders went with Cloak.

NZ now has a situation where the only political party talking acceptable (to a majority) economic policy is National. Yes, ACT has stiffened backbones, but the extreme right wing is in the clouds. On the other hand the red melons, the fringe groups rallying around labour are equally out of touch. They will have their own constituency, but they will never command centrist’s voters loyalty.

So what to do? John Key and Steven Joyce have plotted a course. It will not appeal to everyone in the centre or on the right. But it will appeal to soft left wingers, and the far right has nowhere else to go if they are to avoid a left take-over.

So wise up children. Look at and like the world as it is – not as you would wish it to be.
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June 10, 2014 10:21am
nasska

….”to be conned into attending this event smacks of desperation.”….

Or insanity. Those who are likely to look favourably at ACT’s policies are sufficiently intelligent to know that “homelessness” is the territory of the feckless & terminally socialist.

If his attendance picks up three more votes than it loses I will be amazed.
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June 10, 2014 10:22am
Ryan Sproull

There is NO reason to be homeless in NZ

Correct. So people who are homeless clearly need help.
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June 10, 2014 10:22am
Ryan Sproull

If his attendance picks up three more votes than it loses I will be amazed.

It is of course possible that he is not just doing it for votes.
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June 10, 2014 10:23am
dime

“Care to expand on the massive conspiracy that sees the wolds scientific organizations all colluding in a giant hoax.”

its called funding.

example:

Dime applies for a grant to fuck 100 hookers and report back as to how much fun it was. DENIED

So he reapplies for a grant to fuck 100 hookers and report back as to how this will impact climate change. APPROVED.
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June 10, 2014 10:27am
nasska

….”It is of course possible that he is not just doing it for votes.”….

A hundred odd days out from an election & he’s doing things other than to attract votes? If so ACT picked the wrong man.
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June 10, 2014 10:27am
Ryan Sproull

A hundred odd days out from an election & he’s doing things other than to attract votes? If so ACT picked the wrong man.

Mm. Fair point.
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June 10, 2014 10:28am
big bruv

Fucking brilliant!

Managed to bag Griff with one post.

Now, whose next?….I know..

David Bain is guilty!
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June 10, 2014 10:30am
Griff

Yes dime all I would expect from a poor sod who is to disgusting for any women to touch without being well paid for the chore.
Nether mind dime I am sure there is a woman who will stoop that low for free somewhere in the world.

All the worlds scientists are in a big scam to steal funding by fudging their output and every founder of science is now also implicated in the giant scam
Almost the entire scientific community and worlds governments are trying to scam the population in a giant haox.

Or some of you are totally self deluded wingnuts that cry hoax only because of greed. You are frightened it might cost you a few dollars

occam’s razor

says I am right.
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June 10, 2014 10:39am
smttc

Here’s an idea.

Why not let the good people of Epsom, the North Shore and Ohariu work out whether to electorate vote for Seymour, Craig and Dunne. I am sure they are smart enough to work it out for themselves without a formal endorsement from John Key. Certainly the people of Epsom seem to know what to do.

As for a National/Maori Party majority. Forget it. I want the MP gone at the upcoming election. They are only in it for what they can get for Maori and they almost never vote with National except on confidence and supply (witness the setting to one side of the proposed employment law amendments). National would never get anything done. It simply would not work.

National to govern alone I say. At least let’s see if there is really enough support for the CCCP without a nod from John Key.
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June 10, 2014 10:39am
dime

“Or some of you are totally self deluded wingnuts that cry hoax only because of greed. You are frightened it might cost you a few dollars”

why is it always the ones with no dollars that are so keen to tax other people?

“Yes dime all I would expect from a poor sod who is to disgusting for any women to touch without being well paid for the chore.”

i do kinda like it when the hookers hate me 😀
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June 10, 2014 10:42am
RRM

I thought Dime was a big swinging dick and didn’t need funding to fuck 100 hookers?
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June 10, 2014 10:43am
Pete George

I think it’s very unlikely National will get to govern alone. There was a significant late shift against this happening last election.

Why not let the good people of Epsom, the North Shore and Ohariu work out whether to electorate vote for Seymour, Craig and Dunne.

That’s exactly how it works. Everyone can vote for whomever they want to. Endorsements and deals can signal possibilities but they can just as easily backfire. The voters end up deciding for themselves.
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June 10, 2014 10:44am
dime

RRM – im actually all loved up now. my hooker days are most probably over 🙁

was just an example of adding the word “climate” to anything seems to get you funding
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June 10, 2014 10:46am
Griff

Have you idiots managed to work out that you can vote for a political position and national has a position that is firmly in the center.

Vote only National and get ~~National~~ labour light for another three years.

Or vote act to get a more rightwing National party government.

The same goes for the conservonutters who should vote colon crags conned preservatives and get a more conservative national government.

MMP gives you a chance of swinging the resultant governments policy in your direction rather than only getting a mass party that represented the average mindless voter in the center.
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June 10, 2014 10:52am
minus

Michael Fox and Hamish Rutherford write for stuff.co.nz an article headlined –
Police handling of John Banks may be probed
but it seems to no where mention the time restraint Police cited on investigating the issue, which actually begs the question – Why did the Police investigate it at all if law did not allow them to?
And from that, it is unclear why McCready could act on the matter if time-wise it fell outside Police consideration?

Other factors why Police may not be happy investigating “political” crimes –

1] The Labour Party card scam, involving around $800,000 – with NZ First still to repay $158,000 after Winston’s PR diversion of paying it to Starship Hospital who rejected stolen funds – the bastards just made a retrospective law change legitimizing their actions.

2] Was the initial complaint against John Banks not made by Trevor Mallard – two politiicians so why take it seriously?
Or Roger Brooking, “random” Wellington resident who is Friends on Facebook with Brian Edwards, Sue Kedgley, Clayton Cosgrove, Andrew Little and other “random” people?

3] When Police did produce a Report on Banks, the Prime Minister established its importance by frequently, adamantly and publicly refusing to read it.

4] In the current case, until Banks announced his solution to the impasse, the Judge accepted a date for sentencing which conferred on the matter all the procedural ramifications [by-election, party funding cuts] that Police fear touching

5] The Cunliffe secret fund, which when he returned money rather than “embarrass” the donor – the epitome of corrupting a Member of Parliament – meant the donation then became a secret six month loan outside Standing Orders, obviously breaking the spirit of the present law but not being covered by it [refer also to the case of Pants Down Brown]

6] the waste of Police time – refer to the speed of tectonic bloody plates and the progress to the Banks case, Bain, and Dotcom issues.

7] Perceived public permission, or “fair game” – where Dotcom is viewed by some to be similar to George Wilder, and it is OK for Ben Uffindell to be allocated $33,000 consequent to the apparent fraud that the Civilian Party is a serious Election contender, because it is money from a fixed budget.
No, the original budget is an over-estimated fraud.
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June 10, 2014 10:52am
kowtow

Send ’em home.Everyone of these “refugees” came through a second country before illegally migrating to Europe. Scam.

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=50372&icid=4&d_str=20140610

Huge wave of migrants arrive in Italian ports.
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June 10, 2014 10:57am
Manolo

Scam that bring scum to Europe.
You have to travel around Malta or Italy to see the idle buggers loitering on the streets.
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June 10, 2014 11:05am
jackinabox

Here’s what Andrew Little will get in the post from the IPCA.

Tuesday, 10 June 2018

Mr Andrew Little MP
Parliament Buildings,
Wellington
New Zealand

Dear Sir,

Further to your complaint dated 10.06.2014.

I have now received from the Commissioner of Police the file of papers relating to your complaint for my independent review.

I note from it that the Police declined to lay charges of electoral fraud against one John Archibald Banks.

I also note that a Graham McCready subsequently brought a private prosecution against Mr Banks which resulted in him being found guilty of one charge of electoral fraud.

The issue here relates to the discretion enjoyed by the Commissioner of Police or his officers, in this case the Police in laying charges. The Police have the discretionary right not to lay charges. This discretionary right was clearly exercised in this case and it is not an issue I am able, or would wish, to take up with the Commissioner.

I am therefore unable to take this matter further but I thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Yours faithfully,

INDEPENDENT POLICE COMPLAINTS AUTHORITY
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June 10, 2014 11:06am
Manolo

Oh, how unfair! The Greens and Labour must be seething: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101743657

The world added 2.6 million millionaire households last year, showing that the rich are getting richer and far more numerous, according to a report released Monday.

The total number of millionaire households in the world rose 19 percent last year, to 16.3 million households, according to Boston Consulting Group’s Global Wealth report. Millionaire households represent 1.1 percent of all households globally.
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June 10, 2014 11:08am
nasska

kowtow

Thank you for #2437 in your series of warnings about Muslim immigration but there’s another subject that begs your attention.

You would have been passed out in your plate of potatoes before I knocked off work so I had to leave it until today to respond to your feeble attempts to whitewash the Tuam atrocities.

I feel your disappointment in that the Irish Times can no longer be relied upon to spin on behalf of the Catholic Church. It’s worse than you think…..other agents of the MSM have defected:

….”In 2001, the Washington Post reported:

Milotte, a senior reporter for the Irish television network
RTE, says life was particularly hard for the mothers in
these convents, which were largely self-sustaining due
to the women’s free labor but also received public
funding. It was quite a profitable business for the nuns.
They exploited the women for labor and then sold their
children for large amounts of money into adoption. The
priests and nuns received money from the adoptive
parents, who paid “confinement and medical costs”
associated with their child’s birth.

Where did the money go?” he wonders. “It sustained
the people who ran the institutions in a manner they
wouldn’t have otherwise enjoyed.” “…..

Ref: http://www.vaticancrimes.us/2013/05/nuns-caught-trafficking-thousands-of.html

Surely not!
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June 10, 2014 11:09am
Fletch

Australian PM Tony Abbott is putting together a coalition of like-minded countries to push back against the bogus climate change racket.

Tony Abbott seeks alliance to thwart President Obama on climate change policy

Tony Abbott is seeking a conservative alliance among “like-minded” countries, aiming to dismantle global moves to introduce carbon pricing, and undermine a push by US President Barack Obama to push the case for action through forums such as the G20.

Visiting Ottawa for a full day of talks with the conservative Canadian Prime Minister and close friend Stephen Harper, Mr Abbott flagged intentions to build a new centre-right alliance led by Canada, Britain and Australia along with India and New Zealand.

All five Commonwealth countries now have “centre-right”-leaning governments but it is Mr Abbott’s personal and philosophical closeness to Mr Harper that the Prime Minister regards as most important.

The combined front would attempt to counter recent moves by the Obama administration to lift the pace of climate change abatement via policies such as a carbon tax or state-based emissions trading. It is a calculated attempt to push back against what both leaders see as a left-liberal agenda in favour of higher taxes, unwise interventions to address global warming, and an unhealthy attitude of state intervention.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-seeks-alliance-to-thwart-president-obama-on-climate-change-policy-20140609-39t93.html
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