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Tom Jackson

Sure it is a kind of socialism Tom. I have never said it is not. What I have said is it is not the morally and socially destructive socialism as practised in NZ.

The differences are largely in accounting, not substance. You have compulsory public health insurance in NZ and you will end up personally paying through tax for most of your stuff, unless you are poor or suffer a catastrophic emergency.
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September 26, 2013 3:07pm
Tom Jackson

Here is Tom saying he wants to put the poor in housing, and here is Singapore doing it, and yet Tom has nothing but contempt for a country he sees as a “one party fascist state”.

I’m fine with their housing policy.
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September 26, 2013 3:08pm
Redbaiter

“That’s fucken freedom right there…”

Tom, you are an idiot. I return to my point. Singapore does not have socially destructive welfare roles.

Anything else is another argument.

BTW, if Singapore is a one party fascist state, what is Cuba?
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September 26, 2013 3:08pm
Redbaiter

“Would you support such a policy, Red?”

I would consider it a better option than current policies.
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September 26, 2013 3:14pm
Tom Jackson

Tom, you are an idiot. I return to my point. Singapore does not have socially destructive welfare roles.

It just operates the welfare state in a different way. If you oppose welfare in principle, you should oppose it across the board. Supporting a government that gives handouts to the middle class via its housing policy is an example of your hypocrisy.
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September 26, 2013 3:18pm
Tom Jackson

BTW, if Singapore is a one party fascist state, what is Cuba?

A one party communist state with better weather and hotter chicks.
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September 26, 2013 3:19pm
Redbaiter

“Supporting a government that gives handouts to the middle class via its housing policy is an example of your hypocrisy.”

Again, for the 835th time, the Singapore govt is looking after citizens without destroying their self reliance. By means of policies NZ socialists reject because to utilize them would result in a loss of political power.

Expressing this view is not by any means hypocrisy.

(The left’s most common and most misapplied smear, especially given that their policies are always the most despicable example of legislative hypocrisy on earth)
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September 26, 2013 3:24pm
Tom Jackson

Again, for the 835th time, the Singapore govt is looking after citizens without destroying their self reliance.

By making most of them buy houses constructed by a government bureaucracy. I see.
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September 26, 2013 3:30pm
Redbaiter

Yes, home ownership does just what I stated above. Builds people’s self reliance.

BTW, you said I was full of contradictions. How does your 3:30pm not conflict with your 3:08pm?

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“I’m fine with their housing policy”

Unquote.
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September 26, 2013 3:40pm
dime

I cant be assed reading all those posts…

BUT is Tom suggesting the compulsory contributions Singaporeans make to that fund is socialist?

this is is singapore, the most open, market friendly economy in the world..

so in singapore you pay fuck all tax. progressive tax system. 17% when you hit 150 stacks?

then you also pay into a fund that covers you for retirement and health..

rather than just pay 40% tax or something and that covers aholes who are too lazy to work.

doesnt sound that socialist to me.

whats next? a school voucher system is socialist?
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September 26, 2013 3:42pm
Weihana

Redbaiter (5,069) Says:
September 26th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

Sure it is a kind of socialism Tom. I have never said it is not. What I have said is it is not the morally and socially destructive socialism as practised in NZ.

Tell me more about that type of socialism that isn’t morally and socially destructive. Then after that you can tell me about that type of gay sex that, if practiced discretely in public toilets followed by prayer afterwards, is not morally and socially destructive. 😉
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September 26, 2013 3:45pm
Redbaiter

Another cowardly piece of shit.

This poor poor woman.

The offender was described as Maori or Polynesian, aged in his late 40s, tall and of stocky build. He has a large nose, with some red markings.

He has a slightly bushy moustache and dark, mop-like hair almost to his eyebrows and covering his ears.

He was believed to be missing one or two teeth on one side of his mouth, not two front teeth as previously advised.

A waste of oxygen no doubt set free to prey on society by a useless and dysfunctional justice system.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9213546/Police-describe-Christchurch-rapist
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September 26, 2013 4:01pm
Tom Jackson

BTW, you said I was full of contradictions. How does your 3:30pm not conflict with your 3:08pm?

I don’t really care about whether a housing policy encourages “self reliance”. In my view it’s about making sure people have safe and healthy accommodation.
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September 26, 2013 4:01pm
Weihana

dime (7,261) Says:
September 26th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

rather than just pay 40% tax or something and that covers aholes who are too lazy to work.

doesnt sound that socialist to me.

If Obama’s compulsory insurance scheme is socialism why is Singapore’s compulsory savings scheme (which is also subsidized) not?

Moreover, most tax dollars do not go to cover those “who are too lazy to work”. That is simply not true. It goes primarily to provide the public services that the middle class expect (e.g. education, health care etc.). Those too lazy to work certainly are costing, but removing that isn’t going to lower the bill as much as you think.

The thing you do not seem to realize is that if citizens have a savings scheme then of course it isn’t going to show up in government finances… so you pay less tax, but you still have to pay towards a savings scheme. In NZ, paying the tax is effectively your savings scheme. You can argue about which is more efficient and better, but pretending that we pay so much more tax because of dole bludgers is a fiction.
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September 26, 2013 4:01pm
Tom Jackson

BUT is Tom suggesting the compulsory contributions Singaporeans make to that fund is socialist?

Not in the dictionary sense. In the Redbaiter sense where welfare statism is identical with socialsm, yes.

Compulsory health savings accounts along with catastrophic and means tested assistance is just one form in which the welfare state provision of healthcare can work. Canada’s universal public health insurance is another, ours another and the UK NHS another. The principle in all of them is the same: the free market won’t provide affordable health care, so a scheme of compulsory contributions is needed.
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September 26, 2013 4:04pm
dime

“In NZ, paying the tax is effectively your savings scheme”

Ah sweet, id like to withdraw 50 grand please.
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September 26, 2013 4:06pm
Redbaiter

You’re on to it Dime. In Singapore it is still their own money.

In socialist NZ it goes into a pool.

Can’t destroy the dependency syndrome can we?

How would Labour get a vote otherwise?
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September 26, 2013 4:08pm
dime

“Singapore’s compulsory savings scheme (which is also subsidized)”

it is?

From wikipedia:

“The employer has to contribute 16% of the employee’s monthly gross salary while the employee contributes 20% of his monthly gross salary”

they dont mention a govt subsidy?

i know fuck all about singapore. just find it funny how tom only thinks in absolutes. like a sith lord..
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September 26, 2013 4:09pm
Redbaiter

“I don’t really care about whether a housing policy encourages “self reliance”.”

There is the confession readers.

Why you should never vote for the left.
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September 26, 2013 4:19pm
mikenmild

I just find it funny to follow Reddy’s contortions as he praises everything about Singapore while condemning everything about NZ
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September 26, 2013 4:20pm
Kea

The barbaric penalties of Singapores justice system are harshly criticised by the likes of Red & Co, when they are carried out by majority Muslim countries.
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September 26, 2013 4:24pm
Redbaiter

Milky I don’t find it funny that you and your power driven commie ilk promote policies and attract votes based on lies that bring NZ to economic and social destruction.

While Singapore soars above us on almost every measurable standard that applies to living.
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September 26, 2013 4:25pm
ste3e

Prior to 1840 countries traded with each other on a quid pro quo basis; trade in exchange for monies only occurred in times of extra need (crop failures, war expenditure, etc), in which case the money traded between nations was precious metal. This meant the elected government designed and legislated its own internal economy, and if the economy did not work for the voting public the government could be replaced and the economic system redesigned to meet the needs of the voting public (logically this is true even if historically the situation was beset with monarchies). This is to say, the economic system was legitimate for the people operating under its laws because the people voted for the legislative body (the government) that made the economic system legal.

The international economy, the WTO and organizations that implement international law are designed by the multinationals, bankers and magnates who funded the lawyers (and politicians) that allowed and disallowed the laws enacted by those legislative bodies. Yet those legislative bodies are not legitimated by the peoples who live under their laws because the people have not voted for them. Living under the jurisdiction of non-elected legislative bodies is by definition living under tyranny.

The democratic façade and its propaganda machinery is simply a means of controlling the population while appropriating their labor for the profit of those who designed the international legislative bodies (multinationals, bankers and magnates). Is it any wonder then, that we have labor laws designed for Hollywood; that even though the majority of New Zealanders believe we should be progressing toward green technologies we find the government pushing extractive technologies. It is not the will of the people the government is pursuing it is the will of the international economy (deep sea drilling).

John Key is the wrong man for the job because he has shown at every turn that he is on the side of the international tyranny irrespective of the wants of the New Zealanders. We, waiting for the gold promised, while watching the deficit deepen, find our own voice diminished, our sovereignty deeply in jeopardy.
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September 26, 2013 5:01pm
doggone7

Tom Jackson

Just sit Tom calm down so I can explain. The sort of logic you’re dealing with is this; The only thing that will work is the Free market, open business do what you like, no subsidies and you’re on your own. There, the world will be wonderful in the purity of that.

The Rio Tinto subsidy and the Meridian Energy installment payment scheme are just sensible business. (oops sorry, said ‘subsidy’ by mistake.) The bailouts of other private companies are just good business. Commies don’t seem to understand that. Commies also apparently don’t understand that things change according to ones perspective. Funny too how things change in a few centimetres. Like down this page how the most pure system hands-off system in the world in Singapore over the distance gathered all of these exceptions and “yes buts…”

So sad I had a logic bypass. Some others picked up mine as well as their own. Isn’t it fortunate we can come on here and find the real truth! And to be assailed with the beauty of epithets such as “power driven commie ilk.”
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September 26, 2013 5:13pm
Redbaiter

“The Rio Tinto subsidy and the Meridian Energy installment payment scheme are just sensible business.”

It shows you have a very limited ability to think things through if you believe I support that kind of interventionist shit. Neither do I support interventionist policies in Singapore. I merely state that they are far superior to the dependency policies utilised in NZ.

As I said, communist thought patterns are apparently innate. You guys have such crippled thinking processes you will never get it no matter how many times it is explained to you.
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September 26, 2013 5:28pm
doggone7

I might not know what “communist thought patterns” are but I do know the most important thing there is to know: The Right is always right. I also don’t know how you got God or some supreme being to make that so! Or am I speaking directly with him/her?
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September 26, 2013 6:15pm
mikenmild

Although not actually God, perhaps Reddy has imbibed sufficiently of the Holy Spirit to make it hard to tell the difference.
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September 26, 2013 6:20pm
nasska

Pity he can’t get on the wagon for long enough to get a job mikenmild. Even a entry level position at McDonalds would give him something to do other than spend all day & night on KB pimping for the forgotten cause of conservatism. 🙂
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September 26, 2013 6:28pm
Redbaiter

Coward nasska lies and smears again. Smiley face tells you.
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September 26, 2013 6:31pm
mikenmild

Conservatism is all very well. The sort of paleo-conservatism that Reddy espouses constantly teeters on the edge of self-parody. At one time, I thought the Redbaiter act was an elaborate piece of performance art, probably funded by Creative NZ. Lately, I am more certain that Reddy is ‘not the Messiah; he’s just a very naughty boy’.
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September 26, 2013 6:33pm
Kea

nasska, I can’t see how McDonalds would want Red spitting in the burgers as he pours hate and scorn on confused customers for being progs & commies. Any complaints would result in more ranting and accusations of “troll”.

About the only work Red is likely to get is a sentence of Community Work for obscene and threatening language. 🙂
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September 26, 2013 6:34pm
nasska

That’s very charitable of you mikenmild. I’ve always tended to support the theory that he’s stark raving mad. 🙂
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September 26, 2013 6:37pm
Redbaiter

Gosh I’m just thinking all you incessantly smug smirking progs should be grateful I’m around otherwise you’d have fuck all to write/think about.

..amd there’s coward nasska with the customary Stalinist allegation of insanity. Same old same old leftist gulag maker.
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September 26, 2013 6:38pm
Kea

We progs love having you at the troll-farm Reddy. 🙂
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September 26, 2013 6:41pm
big bruv

nasska

Don’t worry about old Redbaiter, the man is clearly delusional. Witness the way he keeps talking about himself in the third person and the way he keeps talking as if he is in the USA, something about starting an armed uprising against somebody called the Kenyan.

Some days he even claims to have had many victories in his ten year plus war against the left.
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September 26, 2013 6:42pm
nasska

I’m still waiting for him to get around to itemising the wins BB. 🙂
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September 26, 2013 6:43pm
mikenmild

Reddy’s main problem, which may change as he matures, is that he will not actually engage in argument; by which I mean a rational exchange of contrasting views. His insistence that whatever he says is gospel and that any other point of view could only be espoused by a brainwashed commie troll tends to inhibit engagement and actually works against his stated aim of educating the ignorant progressive masses.
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September 26, 2013 6:44pm
Redbaiter

One victory I have clearly had Bigot Bruv is exposing you as the left wing fraud you have always been. Fuck off and grab guns with commies all over the globe.
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September 26, 2013 6:44pm
Redbaiter

Milkies main problem is that he never has an argument that isn’t based on premises founded in fantasy and self delusion, and this is a factor that makes it impossible for any rational person to engage with him.
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September 26, 2013 6:45pm
Redbaiter

Item 1- exposed the self professed liberty loving fraud and coward nasska as a far left anti capitalist anti-christian bigot interventionist pro powerful gummint progressive with a very bad case of OCD.

And suffering from the worst case of endlessly irritating Klark style smugness on this blog.
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September 26, 2013 6:50pm
Kea

Red can not grasp the concept that you may agree with someone on some points and not others. It is blind loyalty or off to the prog bin.
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September 26, 2013 6:51pm
big bruv

Come on Redbaiter.

Unless you want me to keep exposing you as the liar you are then you better name one of those victories.

As for the guns, I am more than keen to grab as many as I can. Even more so if they happen to be owned by delusional fools like yourself.
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September 26, 2013 6:54pm
nasska

Okay Baity….may be I pushed you too hard & that was the best you could fabricate at short notice. How about a few more victories we can laud you for?

Surely you’ve got something to show for wasting a decade & a half boring everyone shitless with your recipe for world salvation. 🙂
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September 26, 2013 6:55pm
Redbaiter

Bruv you haven’t ever exposed anything other than your own gross bigotry and ignorance.

You’re just another enabler of socialism who talks big about welfare and Maoris but like most leftists is too stupid to know that it is actually himself and his subscription to progressivism that is to blame for the very situation he complains about.
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September 26, 2013 6:59pm
Redbaiter

“Surely you’ve got something to show”

How about the fact that I have so many cowardly commies like you constantly on the defensive and get to live rent free in your heads?
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September 26, 2013 7:01pm
Kea

big bruv, there will be two groups who will keep their gun with your plan:

1. Government forces (The people who have started every war and large scale killing and abuse of people through out history)

2. Criminals (The ones who shoot people and use guns for crime)

Tell ya what though. Convince the government to lead by example and totally disarm, and I will support your gun grab from deer hunters and rabbit shooters.

Ps. I do not blame you for Maoris and welfare 😉
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September 26, 2013 7:01pm
nasska

You’ll never save the world if you can’t keep up with the paperwork Baity…..better concentrate on where you filed that list of wins against the progs & Communists. 🙂
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September 26, 2013 7:03pm
big bruv

Just one Redbaiter…name just one.

I know that I get under your skin so you can stop the torment by naming just one thing you have achieved in your ten plus year war. After all, you did say that you have had “many victories”
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September 26, 2013 7:04pm
Redbaiter

Big Bisexual Bruv is deeply immersed in progressive culture.

He got kicked off one message board for having something like eighteen different posting names.

I think he only has a few on here.

What happened to the homosexual side of your personality you called Fot Bigot?
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September 26, 2013 7:05pm
Kea

live rent free in your heads?

The only thing Red will live rent free in is an acute mental health unit or cell.

He jumps into every debate crying “prog/troll/commie” but is otherwise ignored.
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September 26, 2013 7:06pm
Kea

Like all good conservatives Red is turning turning the conversation as quickly as possible to man-on-man love action 🙂
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September 26, 2013 7:07pm
Redbaiter

“but is otherwise ignored.”

ha ha.

Can’t wait for that to start.

Man you’re so fucking delusional.
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September 26, 2013 7:08pm
Kea

I know it is hard to accept Red but the only time anyone engages you is when you are buzzing around their heads like a blowfly.

Hardly surprising when you consider the 1% support for the conservative party, and most of them would not support your divisive approach.
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September 26, 2013 7:12pm
big bruv

Wow!

I know I manage to get under Redbaiter’s skin but that reaction clearly demonstrates what a raw nerve looks like when it is touched.

So come on Redbaiter, tell us one of those victories. I did ask you how your own personal campaign went to prove that Obama was a Kenyan?…how did that one pan out for you?
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September 26, 2013 7:14pm
Redbaiter

How many Syrians were there on the boats in the America’s cup race Kea?
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September 26, 2013 7:14pm
Redbaiter

“I did ask you how your own personal campaign went to prove that Obama was a Kenyan?…how did that one pan out for you?”

Oh, I’d like to take the credit for that Fot but actually the claim originated from Hillary Clinton and Brokeback himself.
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September 26, 2013 7:17pm
nasska

….”Red is turning turning the conversation as quickly as possible to man-on-man love action”….

As luck would have it Kea, the inflatable friend industry has not neglected lonely conservonutters. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y4v3p5mhq0opffv/Doll%206.png
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September 26, 2013 7:17pm
Redbaiter

Only an isolated hillbilly sheep fucker could be so lame and not know it Nasska.
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September 26, 2013 7:19pm
Kea

How many Syrians were there on the boats in the America’s cup race Kea?

LOL 🙂

About the same number as authoritarian conservatives who can not get on with others or work as a team ?
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September 26, 2013 7:20pm
big bruv

OK Redbaiter,

What about that prediction of yours that Sarah Palin was going to deny Obama his second term?
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September 26, 2013 7:21pm
Steve (North Shore)

Here it comes – the hold your hand brigade.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/9212881/Post-Americas-Cup-advice-Get-on-with-life

When will these socialist cork soakers stop their mind bending bullshit and get a real job?
We lost, we don’t need aunty karen to tell us not to be sad – just fuck off.
Wimps need walloping
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September 26, 2013 7:25pm
mikenmild

Too right Steve, no need for national mourning. It was a yacht race and the better boat and team won it.
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September 26, 2013 7:27pm
nasska

Ike & Baity are singing from a different hymn book. Someone must be wrong! 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/in08wmzxuoxxyzx/Conloop%206.jpg
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September 26, 2013 7:43pm
Kea

nasska, good find. Baity won’t like seeing that little gem 🙂
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September 26, 2013 7:50pm
nasska

Ike probably got it wrong Kea. 🙂
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September 26, 2013 7:51pm
Redbaiter

What a feeble minded couple of progs.

You really think anyone can be fucked clicking on your links?

For fuck’s sake, I know you are both grossly self infatuated, but you need to wake up to the fact that any stupid child can find some pic on the net and say “giggle giggle look at this.”

As I said before, only a hermitised sheep/sister fucker like Nasska would be so unaware of what a child he makes himself look like.
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September 26, 2013 7:59pm
nasska

A man went to a Medical Centre and complained of listlessness. After a
thorough examination, the doctor said, “You ought to try some
hormones.”

“Like they give to women?” the patient asked, dumbfounded. “Are you
serious?”

“Everybody uses hormones and for different purposes. They even give
them to racehorses.” replied the doctor.

The patient agreed to a shot and returned two weeks later for a
follow-up visit. The Doctor asked if they worked.

The patient replied, “You bet they did but, not exactly as I planned.
Yesterday, I ran six furlongs in one-ten !”
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September 26, 2013 8:00pm
hj

There are uncomfortable facts to be faced on immigration
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/there-are-uncomfortable-facts-to-be-faced-on-immigration/story-fni0ffxg-1226727154767
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September 26, 2013 8:02pm
Kea

“Should any political party attempt to abolish social security unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group of course that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few other Texas oil millionaires and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.”

― Dwight D. Eisenhower
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September 26, 2013 8:06pm
Viking2

A young doctor had moved out to a small community to replace a doctor
> who was retiring
> The older doctor suggested that the young one accompany him on his
> rounds, so the community
> could become used to a new doctor.
>
> At the first house a woman complains, “I’ve been a little sick to my
> stomach.”
>
> The older doctor says, “Well, you’ve probably been overdoing the
> fresh fruit. Why not cut back
> on the amount you’ve been eating and see if that does the trick?”
>
> As they left, the younger man said, “You didn’t even examine that
> woman? How’d you come to
> the diagnosis so quickly?”
>
> “I didn’t have to. You noticed I dropped my stethoscope on the
> floor in there? When I bent over
> to pick it up, I noticed a half dozen banana peels and apple cores in
> the trash. That was what probably was making her sick.”
>
> The younger doctor said “Pretty clever. If you don’t mind, I think
> I’ll try that at the next house.”
>
> Arriving at the next house, they spent several minutes talking with a
> younger woman. She said that
> she just didn’t have the energy she once did and said, “I’m feeling
> terribly run down lately..”
>
> “You’ve probably been doing too much for the Church,” the younger
> doctor told her. “Perhaps you
> should cut back a bit and see if that helps.”
>
> As they left, the elder doctor said, “I know that woman well. Your
> diagnosis is almost certainly correct,
> she’s very active in the church, but how did you arrive at it?”
>
> “I did what you did at the last house. I dropped my stethoscope
> and, when I bent down to retrieve it, I
> Noticed the vicar under the bed.”
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September 26, 2013 8:13pm
Viking2

Had my spies out checking on Reddy Baiter.
Here’s what they found.

Enjoy

http://www.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.235372.1243574086!menu/standard/file/ny-walt-baby-boomers.swf
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September 26, 2013 8:22pm
Redbaiter

“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”

― George Carlin
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September 26, 2013 8:23pm
nasska

Kea

As it turns out, the quote attributed to Eisenhower was not just an ‘off the cuff’ remark made & then taken out of context.

It forms part of a letter he wrote to his brother on 8 Nov 1954.

Ref: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/ike.asp
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September 26, 2013 8:26pm
Jack5

Christians are being slaughtered en masse ound the Muslim world, reports the Anglican’s Archbishop of Canterbury.

In light of this genocide, New Zealand if a decent country would halt Muslim immigration at least temporarily to give refuge to Christians fleeing from slaughter from Syria to Pakistan. We are a small economy and a small country, but what refugees we take should be prioritised to give these Christians first places in the quotas.

At the same time, we ought to be skeptical about the politicians and MFAT bureaucrats’ expensive campaign to win a Security Council seat for NZ. What else does this benefit but the egos of MFAT and politicians. Do we get any trade advantages out of it? No.

In the last quest one of the things we got was thousands of Somalis, who are the likely source of NZ citizens who have been trained for terrorism in Yemen. In the South Island alone, a Somali went on a knifing spree in an airliner, and another knifed people in the streets before the police shot him.

The troublemakers are a minority, of course, but we don’t need potentially refugees loaded on us by the United Nations bureaucrats.

The Archbishop of Canterbury speaks out:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10334556/Christians-now-suffering-mass-martyrdom-says-Archbishop-of-Canterbury.html
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September 26, 2013 8:33pm
big bruv

““Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”

Damn right, they decide that Sarah Palin might be a good idea for VP or they think that the same moronic Sarah Palin will stop a second term for Obama.
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September 26, 2013 8:36pm
Kea

nasska, do you know if Eisenhower was a limp wristed fag loving commie prog ?
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September 26, 2013 8:43pm
kowtow

And more about those peaceful Muzzies from the Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/10333477/After-Kenya-no-more-turning-the-other-cheek-to-those-who-hate-us.html
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September 26, 2013 8:45pm
nasska

History records otherwise Kea. No less than a Republican president & a five star general in the US army.

Doesn’t seem to fit the profile of one of Baity’s prog shirtlifters he so often refers to. 🙂
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September 26, 2013 8:50pm
Kea

No less than a Republican president & a five star general in the US army.

nasska, no shit ! My friend Red reckons people like that are communists out to destroy god and all things decent in the world.

Tell me nasska, was the USA more or less prosperous back in 1954 ? I am thinking the economy must be far stronger now those vile progs are gone.
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September 26, 2013 8:55pm
Kea

nasska, listen to what this well known filthy communist prog has to say. He clearly hates Jesus. 🙂

“[This law] assures the elderly that America will always keep the promises made in troubled times a half century ago.. . . [The Social Security Amendments of 1983 are] a monument to the spirit of compassion and commitment that unites us as a people.”
— Ronald W. Reagan, April 20, 1983
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September 26, 2013 8:59pm
nasska

Baity is actually on record as insisting that the early fifties was when the wheels started to fall off society.

Seems that the rot had already set in Kea. 🙂
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September 26, 2013 9:00pm
nasska

Not Ronald too….surely not!!!!! 🙂
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September 26, 2013 9:01pm
Redbaiter

“nasska, do you know if Eisenhower was a limp wristed fag loving commie prog ?”

Nasska is just a know nothing hillbilly.

Outside the gorse covered back blocks of the Wairarapa it is well known that Eisenhower was someways a political liberal. He openly opposed Joe McCarthy for one thing.

The passage quoted is not news.

Poor Nasska’s rank political ignorance and his glee at finding something to support his prog prejudices is like a small girl finding pretty shells on the beach.
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September 26, 2013 9:02pm
Kea

The Wall Street Journal

Singapore Cranks Up Social Spending Amid Policy Rethink

August 19, 2013

SINGAPORE—Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, facing a steady erosion in support, has pledged more social spending to ease mounting pressures on the middle class

The proposed changes signal that “the government will bear more risks on behalf of citizens and step up—alongside the wider community—to support the individual.”

Among the plans announced Sunday, authorities will provide new public-housing grants for lower-income households. A national health-insurance plan—currently covering 92% of citizens up to the age of 90—would be expanded to provide lifetime coverage to all Singaporeans, to help mitigate the impact from Singapore’s aging population. The number of citizens aged 65 and above will triple to 900,000 by 2030, according to government estimates.

“We’re seeing income inequality rising. The top zooming away. The middle class stagnating,” Mr. Lee said Sunday. “We must make now a strategic shift in our approach to nation building,” added the 61-year-old prime minister, who has led Singapore since 2004.
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September 26, 2013 9:04pm
Kea

“Not Ronald too….surely not!!!!!”

nasska, fraid so buddy. Regan was a commie too 🙂
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September 26, 2013 9:06pm
nasska

Singapore’s fallen! 🙂

Progs……………………………1
Conservonutters……………Nil
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September 26, 2013 9:09pm
Kea

nasska, I have a friend coming to stay next week. She is from there and her sister is a prog politician. I am going to find out more 🙂
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September 26, 2013 9:12pm
Weihana

dime (7,263) Says:
September 26th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

“Singapore’s compulsory savings scheme (which is also subsidized)”

it is?

From wikipedia:

“The employer has to contribute 16% of the employee’s monthly gross salary while the employee contributes 20% of his monthly gross salary”

they dont mention a govt subsidy?

http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/healthcare/render2.asp?ID=13850

The key to Singapore’s efficient health care system is the emphasis on the individual to assume responsibility towards their own health and, importantly, their own health expenditure. The result is a system that is predominantly funded by private rather than public expenditure. For example, in 2002, private health expenditure in Singapore (that is, financed by individuals or employers on behalf of individuals) amounted to almost 67 per cent of total health expenditure with the remaining 33 per cent financed by the Government from tax revenue.

Singapore:

Total expenditure on health per capita (Intl $, 2011) 2,787

http://www.who.int/countries/sgp/en/

New Zealand:

Total expenditure on health per capita (Intl $, 2011) 3,033

http://www.who.int/countries/nzl/en/

It’s efficient to be sure, but their spending is not that much lower. The subsidy is just another way of redistributing to those who can’t afford just as taxation does that for us. Moreover, Singapore has a huge migrant population that doesn’t get any subsidy which further limits government expenditure. Their obesity rates are also very low (about half ours).
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September 26, 2013 9:12pm
Kea

” Their obesity rates are also very low (about half ours).”

No Maoris and PI’s ? 😉
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September 26, 2013 9:15pm
Weihana

Kea,

Well… ummm… yeah. 🙂
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September 26, 2013 9:24pm
Pauleastbay

There are good days and there are gooder days which means the new James Bond novel has arrived down the pipe to the kindle on day of publication.

Not even baiting the Sgt at Arms for the mana party can take precedence over this.
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September 26, 2013 9:26pm
Lucia Maria

From Muslim Terrorists Tell Mother They Shot They’re Not Monsters, Tell her Islam is a Good Religion:

A four-year-old British boy caught up in the Kenya mall terrorist attack confronted a gunman who later asked for forgiveness, after his mother was shot in the leg, it has been reported.

Four-year-old Elliot Prior, from Windsor in Berkshire, came out of hiding and told one of the militants that he was a “very bad man” as he protected his mother, Amber, who had been shot in the leg, and six-year-old sister Amelie.

Amber, a film producer, had been queuing to buy milk in Nairobi’s Westgate shopping mall when the militants attacked, and took refuge under a counter in the Nakumatt supermarket. She shielded her children for an hour and a half before being found and shot in the thigh.

The attacker is said to have taken pity on the family and given the children Mars bars. He then reportedly said: “Please forgive me, we are not monsters.”

After discovering the advertising producer was of French origin, the men began to plead with her and claimed that the Muslim faith ‘was not a bad one’.

What I find the most incredible about this story is the four year old boy telling the terrorist that he was “a very bad man”, followed by the terrorist trying to convince the woman that he shot, that they were not monsters and Islam wasn’t bad. As the writer of the post highlighting this news story says:

Did the gunmen ask themselves why if Islam is such a good religion did they find themselves threatening a mother and her children and then asking her forgiveness?
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September 26, 2013 9:43pm
publicwatchdog

Do ‘Generation Zero’ deserve an “E” (S) for “Environmental (Sheepishness)”?

For apparently supporting the corporate GREENWASH UN Agenda 21 – which I vigorously oppose?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11130105

Promising free public transport has not been enough to win Auckland mayoral candidate John Minto a top score from youth organisation Generation Zero on that and issues such as climate change.

Mr Minto got a B grade, putting him above candidates John Palino (C+), Uesifili UNasa (C) and Penny Bright (E), but below Mayor Len Brown’s A-.

The group, which interviewed mayoral and council candidates focusing heavily on an alternative plan for a “congestion-free” network of public transport ahead of new roads, rated Mr Brown “a competent champion for getting Auckland’s transport moving in the right direction”.

But it found Mr Minto “overly focused on creating free public transport without showing a convincing understanding of implications.”

It marked Mr Palino down for weak support of its network plan, despite his showing enthusiasm for less reliance on more motorways.

Ms Bright’s E grade followed an alleged failure to answer most of the group’s 14 questions.”

http://localelections.generationzero.org.nz/…/penny-bright

errrr….. I DID answer the Generation Zero questions, but I don’t think they liked my opposition to the corporate GREENWASH UN Agenda 21, which they apparently support?

Do Generation Zero therefore deserve an “E” (S) for “Environmental (Sheepishness)”?

How many people, and those in Generation Zero, in particular, actually understand that UN Agenda 21 is a massive corporate ‘GREENWASH’? http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/…

Sustainable Development in the 21st century (SD21)
Review of implementation of Agenda 21 and the Rio Principles

Agenda 21 did not address the interconnectedness of the various goals, because it was not “allowed” to examine the economic system itself.
Nor did it explore the fundamental drivers of sectoral and inter-country outcomes, which include:

• the role of corporations, and multi-national corporations (MNCs) in particular;
• the role and impacts of trade and globalisation;
• the role of international economic governance in helping steer the whole system;
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I may be many things but a ‘SHEEP’ is not one of them.

Like the global capitalist economic system is not controlled by multi-national companies?

DUH?

Like multi-national companies are not the main ones responsible for polluting and destroying the planet?

Through this corporate UN Agenda 21 ‘GREENWASH’ they try to spin it that the planet is a mess – that it’s we the peoples’ fault and it’s OUR job to clean up it up?

Wakey wakey folks!

Generation Zero supporters may like to ‘SEEK TRUTH FROM FACTS’ and check this out?
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If Generation Zero support UN Agenda 21 (which is my understanding) – then I am VERY proud of my ‘score’.

Also – how many Generation Zero supporters are aware that the root cause of corruption is privatisation?

That in 2010 – the global procurement market was $14 TRILLION – of which $2.5 TRILLION was estimated to be lost to bribery and corruption?

Don’t you think that $2,500 BILLION might help to feed, clothe, shelter and water a few poor people? (I got these figures from the 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference, which I attended, as an independent, anti-corruption ‘whistle-blower’ from New Zealand) .

‘Her Warship’

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption/ anti-privatisation campaigner’
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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September 26, 2013 9:44pm
cha

His name is Abdul Haji and he’s a Muslim.

http://youtu.be/6r1kECr-4X0
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September 26, 2013 9:55pm
Yvette

I may be many things but a ‘SHEEP’ is not one of them.

‘Her Warship’
Penny Bright ‘
Anti-corruption/ anti-privatisation campaigner’
 2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

We did warn you, Johnboy 🙂
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September 26, 2013 10:02pm
Lucia Maria

Cha,

Good on him. Thirty minutes is a very long interview, though.

Here’s another man who rescued people from Westgate: Off-Duty Brit Soldier w/Gun Saves 100 in Kenya:

An off-duty member of the SAS emerged as a hero of the Nairobi siege yesterday, after he was credited with saving up to 100 lives.

The soldier was having coffee at the Westgate mall when it was attacked by Islamists on Saturday.

He is said to have returned to the building on a dozen occasions, despite intense gunfire.

A friend in Nairobi said: ‘What he did was so heroic. He was having coffee with friends when it happened. ‘He went back in 12 times and saved 100 people. Imagine going back in when you knew what was going on inside.’
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September 26, 2013 10:18pm
cha

An African view.

And then there was an awkward wrinkle – Muslims too were among the dead. That was not supposed to happen, you know, how come “Islamist terrorists” were killing other Muslims? One of the survivors said he watched in horror when two terrorists asked some women to cite verses of the Quran to prove they were Muslim. They did…then the men shot them at point blank range. Some terrified people who were lying on the ground screamed; “why did you shoot them?”

One of the gunmen replied, “because they were not wearing the hijab”. So, it seems, misogyny and patriarchy trumped religion.

http://nakedchiefs.com/2013/09/24/nairobi-westgate-mall-terror-attack-and-the-folly-of-otherness-what-al-shabaab-revealed-about-us/
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September 26, 2013 10:32pm
cha

An alternative to the odious claptrap Greenfield writes.

http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2013/09/real-reason-al-shabab-attacked-mall-kenya/70780/
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September 26, 2013 10:35pm
Azeraph

Poor Kenya. African countries might have to adopt a “No wait, total assault” attitude if this is going to start happening on a regular basis. We are lucky we are 2 islands whee there is nowhere to go.
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September 26, 2013 11:43pm
Left Right and Centre

We’ve been treated to 38 brilliant posts of progaganda by the KB jack-off all trades, in the usual pin-pulled manner.

I read none of them. Read no evil.
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