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krazykiwi

RightNow – When ‘Luc Hansen’ proclaims something to be a fact, it’s a safe bet that those ‘facts’ have just been pulled out of his arse. His brand of alarmism is loosing traction. And I note that he’s ignored several politely worded invitations to debate the impact of a doubling of atmospheric Co2.
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August 5, 2011 6:40pm
grumpyoldhori

Jeez cracker, and redneck should bring a few bob in.
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August 5, 2011 6:41pm
Viking2

I have read on a TV guide that Lord Monckton and Glenn McGregor on climate change will be on ‘The Nation’ TV3, 10.30am. tomorrow Sat. Repeat Sun 8am.

I can find no further details.
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August 5, 2011 6:50pm
nasska

As soon as she had finished convent school, a bright young girl named Lena shook the dust of Ireland off her shoes and made her way to New York where before long, she became a successful performer in show business. Eventually she returned to her home town for a visit and on a Saturday night went to confession in the church, which she had always attended as a child. In the confessional Father Sullivan recognized her and began asking her about her work. She explained that she was an acrobatic dancer, and he wanted to know what that meant. She said she would be happy to show him the kind of thing she did on stage. She stepped out of the confessional and within sight of Father Sullivan, she went into a series of cartwheels, leaping splits, handsprings and backflips. Kneeling near the confessional, waiting their turn, were two middle-aged ladies. They witnessed Lena’s acrobatics with wide eyes, and one said to the other: “Will you just look at the penance Father Sullivan is givin’ out this night, and me without me bloomers on!”
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August 5, 2011 7:00pm
tom hunter

The DOW dropped by 4.3% – 500 points through today, on top of the drop from last weeks mid 12,000’s. It did so because every broad economic indicator out of the US shows an economy on the edge of a double dip recession that I don’t think even a QEIII is going to retrieve. Plus the latest out of Europe as interest rates on Italy’s government bonds push around 7% and so on and so forth.

And our government is still spending $300 million more per week than it gets. And a commentator today on The Panel described out economy (and Australia’s) as one of the stronger in the world.

Wow. I know it’s Friday night and all but Constitutional reform, John Key inviting David Letterman and …..

Really? Really?
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August 5, 2011 7:04pm
Johnboy

I had a sheep called Lena once. She jumped the fence like a bloody acrobat. Never seen her since.

Don’t think she was a Catholic though. 🙂
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August 5, 2011 7:13pm
krazykiwi

tom – think deck chairs
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August 5, 2011 7:18pm
reid

Just saw Ansell’s performance on Close Up. Amazing IMO.

He lucidly concisely articulated the heart, batting aside Jackson and Spoonley as if they weren’t even there.

Sainsbury of course was his usual lost and confused lamb-like self and John didn’t even criticise him, either.

I couldn’t believe it.

Watch it on TVNZ’s website if you didn’t catch it. Pick of the ~~week~~ ~~month~~ year, to date.
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August 5, 2011 7:19pm
nasska

Q. Why did God create women ?

A. To give the sheep a rest.

Q. Why don’t Australians count sheep to fall asleep?

A. Because they want to sleep, not have a wet dream.

Q. What is the worst thing about having sex with a sheep?

A. Breaking it’s neck when you try to kiss it.

” Ssshh”. Australian collective noun for a group of sheep.
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August 5, 2011 7:27pm
Scott Chris

Insane 35 sec video of a kite surfer getting caught on the wing of a plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s0sRTxOc6g
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August 5, 2011 7:38pm
krazykiwi

Scott – OMG. Is that legit? Things like this usually make the MSM, but can only find blog refs and links to youtube
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August 5, 2011 7:48pm
Scott Chris

kk

I think it was faked for a sprite ad a few years back. At least I hope so. Had me going at first though.
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August 5, 2011 7:51pm
mikenmild

reid

Laughable to see Ansell still banging on about ‘Maori privilege’ and ‘billions of dollars.
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August 5, 2011 7:52pm
nasska

News Flash : Today the world was stunned by the news of the death of the Energizer Bunny. He was six years old. Authorities believe that the death occurred approximately 8:42 PM last evening. Best known as the irritating pink bunny that kept going, and going and going, “Pinkie” as he was known to his friends and family was alone at the time of his death. An emergency autopsy was performed early this morning. Chief Medical Examiner, Dura Cell, concluded that the cause of death was acute cardiac arrest induced by sexual over-stimulation. Apparently, someone had put the bunny’s batteries in backwards and he kept coming, and coming, and coming…
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August 5, 2011 8:02pm
reid

mm see my comments on Ansell’s blog for more on that. I don’t want to repeat it but happy to continue here if you want after you’ve read them.
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August 5, 2011 8:03pm
krazykiwi

Have NZers paid billions of dollars to Maoridom? Yes!
Have those funds been distributed equally? No!
Does this create an elite? Yes!

No laughs. Just facts.
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August 5, 2011 8:07pm
Johnboy

Thank God you have cleared that mystery up nasska.

I now realise why Lena jumped the fence and just kept going and going.

Stupid me, I put her vibrator batteries in back to front.

I always thought it was religion that drove her away even though she was a Baahai like all the rest of my flock.

I feel much better now! 🙂
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August 5, 2011 8:08pm
mikenmild

kk

Like to see how you add up the ‘billions’, let alone whether that might have been adequate compensation for what was taken.
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August 5, 2011 8:09pm
starboard

John Ansell certainly bothers you doesnt he mm…uncomfortable viewing for you was it..yes I bet it was.
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August 5, 2011 8:09pm
Johnboy

Ask a few Maori’s on the bottom of the heap mm as to how much they have seen from the Treaty payouts and what they think of the Rangitira’s that are creaming it off the top.

Might wake you up a bit bro!
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August 5, 2011 8:11pm
mikenmild

reid

I read your comment on Ansell’s blog. the only thing I would disagree with is describing Maori as a ‘hard-working, decent people etc’. That’s as stereotypical as decrying them as criminals and bludgers or thinking all Germans make arrogant tourists (okay, so that one’s true!).

I didn’t think Ansell got much traction, or that he made much sense actually. But the forum he was on was a bit limited. I much prefer the one-on-one interview that NZ TV doesn’t seem to be capable of delivering these days. Probably all the research and thinking would be too much effort for our media personalities.
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August 5, 2011 8:16pm
Johnboy

mm fucks stuff around because he/she is a sad little leftie apparatchik reid.

Futile plea. 🙂
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August 5, 2011 8:25pm
reid

I didn’t think Ansell got much traction, or that he made much sense actually.

I suspect you’ll be in the minority, mm.

To everybody: I suspect Johnboy’s comment was in relation to a comment I just deleted, that’s why it seems a bit odd. Please don’t check google cache.
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August 5, 2011 8:26pm
mikenmild

star/john

Not uncomfortable at all. Ansell is a bit of a strange case – not sure what’s sent him off on this track. I don’t think he is a racist, but he is pretty uninformed and seems happy to trot out a whole bag of myths and half-truths in his battle against Maori ‘privilege’.

reid
I’m happy to be in the minority on that one.

As for the Treaty settlements and Maori at the bottom, I’d like to see evidence. From what I can tell, iwi seem to be doing a reasonable job at looking after what they’ve received in settlements so far. I’m not sure what else they are supposed to do – divvy up the pot and give everyone 150 bucks?
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August 5, 2011 8:26pm
fatboy slim

“From what I can tell, iwi seem to be doing a reasonable job at looking after what they’ve received in settlements so far”

Just count how many maori elders sit their fat arse on chairs in the members lounge at your next local race meeting.$100 each way thanks kiwi honky.
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August 5, 2011 8:30pm
mikenmild

D4J drops in to lower the tone.
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August 5, 2011 8:31pm
Luc Hansen

krazykiwi (7,263) Says:

August 5th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
RightNow – When ‘Luc Hansen’ proclaims something to be a fact, it’s a safe bet that those ‘facts’ have just been pulled out of his arse. His brand of alarmism is loosing traction. And I note that he’s ignored several politely worded invitations to debate the impact of a doubling of atmospheric Co2.

What you say are “my facts’, KK, are not mine, in fact. They are the facts as determined by our best scientists. I have invited you before to inform us exactly what is your prime objection to the science and you refused on the grounds that I would rebut you.

Well, of course I would, by pointing to credible sources.

But to answer your allegation of my good self ignoring requests to debate, I cannot ignore what I haven’t seen, my friend.

After all, unlike, it seems, some here, I do have other things to occupy my time.
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August 5, 2011 8:33pm
Luc Hansen

Oh dear, good observation MnM, time to take a break? 🙂
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August 5, 2011 8:34pm
fatboy slim

Sorry mm, not d4j but try telling you fuck heads is beyond belief.
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August 5, 2011 8:34pm
Johnboy

You obviously don’t speak to the poor bro’s at the bottom mm.

Exactly what I would suspect from a pathetic little leftie repeater like yourself.

I work with them forty hours a week.

They are not impressed with the Maori elite who are still lording it over them, but due to the munificence of the stupid government, lording it with much more style and flasher cars than ever before.

Anyone with a brain can see why fraud is rife in Maori run organisations, if its good enough for Rangi to pinch it’s good enough for Wiremu and who cares? The Pakehas just keep on dishing out the dosh and keep on falling over backwards to apologise for the past.

Dumb shit really and promulgated by the stupid socialists.

What real people, of any race, want, is real jobs and a fair deal for everyone.
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August 5, 2011 8:38pm
krazykiwi

mm – yes it’s billions. Do your research. And it doesn’t matter what sum has been paid for a perceived grievance. Because it’s the entrée to a main course cash entitlement orgy that’s spiraling out of control. It’s wrong. It’s not the way forward for NZ. It’s wrecking the lives of the vast majority of NZers.. of all ethnicities.
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August 5, 2011 8:39pm
Johnboy

Sorry reid. Too quick on the trigger. It was a bloody good comment! 🙂 You should have let it stand! 🙂
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August 5, 2011 8:40pm
Scott Chris

A lady called her gynecologist, and asked for an “emergency” appointment. The receptionist said to come right in. She rushed to the office, and was ushered right into an examination room. The doctor came into the exam room and asked about her problem.

She was very shy about her emergency problem, and asked the gynecologist to please examine her vagina.

So the doctor started to examine her. He stuck up his head after completing his examination. “I’m sorry, Miss,” he said, “but removing that vibrator is going to involve a very lengthy , delicate and expensive surgical operation.”

“I’m not sure I can afford it,” sighed the young woman. “But while I am here could you just replace the batteries? “
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August 5, 2011 8:46pm
krazykiwi

Luc, RealScience and Wikipedia are not credible sources. Sorry. Did you see that 69% of US folks believe climate scientists have falsified data to support the CAGW theory. Actually this makes rational – if self interested – sense, as their salaries depend on an impending catastrophe. New evidence of fraud, and manipulation emerge each day. The battle is lost for the climate calamity claimers like you Luc. What populous manipulation scheme is up next? Imminent ice age? Peak Oil? Biodiversity crisis? Yes, yes and yes is my guess. Whatever the problem, bigger government, cessation of independence and imposition of taxes are the answer. What nonsense!
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August 5, 2011 8:51pm
starboard

mm

*yawn*…
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August 5, 2011 8:53pm
reid

As for the Treaty settlements and Maori at the bottom, I’d like to see evidence. From what I can tell, iwi seem to be doing a reasonable job at looking after what they’ve received in settlements so far. I’m not sure what else they are supposed to do – divvy up the pot and give everyone 150 bucks?

mm, I think personally much much more needs to be done to improve the lot of Maori and what needs to be done is to work on their attitudes and tap into their fantastic qualities.

Maori are extremely intelligent resourceful capable hard-working generous benevolent loving and caring people, as a whole. All cultures have your odd a-hole and Maori have no more and no less than other cultures, such as European NZer’s.

What we need as a country is to give them what they say they need to help themselves for they won’t accept our European methods and fair enough but it needs to be said and understood and agreed that if that’s how it is then this is what needs to happen. It’s that last bit, the stuff that defines “what needs to happen if we go ahead and give you this” which seems to be missing from the current discussion.

I’m not sure what you think about it mm, but that’s what I think about it.

Johnboy, thanks for the prompt in rethink.
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August 5, 2011 8:59pm
Johnboy

reid. 🙂
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August 5, 2011 9:00pm
Griff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5400230/Peter-Dunne-admits-cannabis-use
ha ha ha ha Mr Dumme inhaled
That explains him he is Just a stoner
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August 5, 2011 9:09pm
reid

That explains him he is Just a stoner…

Why has Dunne just made that the main meme of his Ohariu campaign?

Er…

????

I mean does he not realise this paints him in the MSM of course he does therefore he doesn’t care.

…

You realise of course this is an insidious attack upon Winston for if his base can’t get wasted then whose can?

…

I’m awaiting developments with antennae quivering…
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August 5, 2011 9:20pm
Griff

The mere fact that he has admitted this surly must make him realize that to arrest charge and try people for this manufactured crime is a travesty of justice. He could have been caught jailed and have his life ruined by this stupid prohibition to wot is a measurably safer alternative to the main stream “piss”
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August 5, 2011 9:27pm
Johnboy

Only a fool would compare the inhalation of a cheap and nasty weed with the savouring of a beautiful single malt as one and the same thing.

What is it with Godzoners are they they all crass, tasteless, peasant, lowlifes? 🙂
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August 5, 2011 9:35pm
reid

We should have a single malt thread one day.

Sharemarkets dropped 4% today. That used to be big news.
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August 5, 2011 9:57pm
Scott Chris

Ha Griff, a poorly worded piece it is:

“Associate Health Minister Peter Dunne has admitted smoking pot just one day after pushing through a bill to ban copycat drugs”

No, he didn’t light up to celebrate the passage of the bill, but some 40 years ago. Funny though.
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August 5, 2011 10:00pm
Griff

I do not see the difference between the first toke on a rare and lovingly tended strain and the savoring of a rare and lovingly distilled single malt both reflect on the care and personality of the growers/distillers and are redolent of the water and earth that brought them to life
vast difference to the drinking/smoking of cask wine, USA commercial bourbon, cheap beer, and mongrel mob tinnys in wholesale amounts
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August 5, 2011 10:03pm
Johnboy

“Sharemarkets dropped 4% today. That used to be big news.”

When all the lower classes are involved in Kiwisaver/Equivalent it will become big news again reid.

At the moment it is of less import than the price of gas/beer/milk/fags because we all know that the Gumint well look after us when we are old, and/or stupid and have not provided for this during our working lives. Besides Norman/David/Helen/not Phil told us so! 🙂
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August 5, 2011 10:09pm
Johnboy

What fertilizers do you use on your plants then Griff? 🙂
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August 5, 2011 10:12pm
Griff

don’t use fertilizer just spout lots of shit to them ha ha
you know to grow herb is illegal and I would not do anything to deprive our gangsta friends of their main source of income
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August 5, 2011 10:18pm
Luc Hansen

# krazykiwi (7,270) Says:
August 5th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

Luc, RealScience and Wikipedia are not credible sources. Sorry. Did you see that 69% of US folks believe climate scientists have falsified data to support the CAGW theory. Actually this makes rational – if self interested – sense, as their salaries depend on an impending catastrophe. New evidence of fraud, and manipulation emerge each day. The battle is lost for the climate calamity claimers like you Luc. What populous manipulation scheme is up next? Imminent ice age? Peak Oil? Biodiversity crisis? Yes, yes and yes is my guess. Whatever the problem, bigger government, cessation of independence and imposition of taxes are the answer. What nonsense!

Quite simply, this is one of the kraziest posts I have ever seen on this site, which actually specialises in them!

You need treatment.

But give me the name of a climate scientist whose work you could accept. I’ll go from there.
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August 6, 2011 12:35am
Luc Hansen

Look for the sharemarkets to bounce back

The US has just announced 117,000 new jobs created in July.

I wonder if that number accounts for the 17,000 workers suspended as a result of the FAA funding being withheld by the Congress?

Does anyone know what the Reds problem is with the FAA?

Do they want planes to bounce along runways??
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August 6, 2011 12:41am
Griff

really to quote the usa population as a source of sane ideas is quite unintuitive
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August 6, 2011 12:41am
LabourDoesntWork

Mikenmild:
This was actually discussed in yesterday’s thread the Monckton. A link to an article from the Heartland Institue quoting the research of a proponent of intelligent design is unlikely to convince many.

I thought research stood on its merits. Galileo was a believer. It would be unwise to dismiss his conclusions on that basis. Another case of projection it seems.
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