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Manolo

The downfall of another pervert: “Former Chief U.N. Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter Nabbed in Teen Sex Sting”: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583027,00.html?test=latestnews
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January 15, 2010 8:44am
NeillR

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10620343
Someone tell me that isn’t really a single track running through Newmarket station. Have they not learnt from the Britomart fiasco? How do these fuckers manage to hold down a job?
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January 15, 2010 8:45am
Chicken Little

Dear John Key – when can I and other citizens of this country expect our 35,000 hectares of public land given for our support and payment of your new carbon tax?

Surely in a democratic country like ours ALL citizens will receive the same beneficences as have been doled out to your co conspirators in passing this tax bonanza?

I await your reply with CO2 bated breath.

CL
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January 15, 2010 8:49am
Captain Neurotic

“Maori Party MP Hone Harawira wants tobacco company executives to front up at an inquiry into the industry, despite his threats to lynch them”

“Mr Harawira announced today the Maori Affairs parliamentary select committee would hold an inquiry into the impact of tobacco use on Maori” SC submissions close on 29 Jan 10

So… pretty much the the inquiry is looking into whether or not tax should be raised on cigarettes to prevent maori from smoking – whilst I would like smoking rates to decrease, I don’t think raising tax is the solution. There are many examples in NZ where the cost of a drug (or the threat of prison) is not a deterrent

Anybody else have an opinion on this?
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January 15, 2010 8:54am
Redbaiter

Good comment on disaster that is Obama administration-

” The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with our presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the chief fool should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their leader in the first place.

Our Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is after all, merely a fool. But our Republic is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who voted him their president. ”

http://www.theabsurdreport.com/2010/confederacy-of-fools/
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January 15, 2010 8:56am
dime

Captain Neurotic – yea, benefits for maori will have to go up to cover the tax increase.
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January 15, 2010 9:06am
Pete George

What about the “multitude of fools” who voted in his predecessor? All these fools don’t have many options, R, D or neither. Their political system is what will struggle to survive, too many selfish power seekers and too many selfish money seekers. Corrupted by the worst of capitalism and too many competing government organisations, while a few keep bleating about the communists that never were and never will be.
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January 15, 2010 9:06am
Manolo

These anti-tobacco, anti-fast food, anti-alcohol nazis will continue their campaign to either increase taxes or ban the things they oppose. This time the Maori Party will try to bend the arm of the increasingly weak Key government.

If a few morons, stupid, thick people cannot help themselves but to gorge on fatty foods, booze or fags, they consider their duty to tell the rest of us how to live our lives by banning these items. That the perverse logic the do-gooders use.

These groups are for an erosion of our individual liberty and personal responsibility. My answer to all of them is a terse f..k off!
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January 15, 2010 9:09am
dime

“Former Chief U.N. Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter Nabbed in Teen Sex Sting”

*gulp* youre not allowed to whack off on web cam while teenage girls watch?!
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January 15, 2010 9:10am
Redbaiter

“Corrupted by the worst of capitalism ”

Not really. I mean I know you’re a card carrying commie who daily lies his head off here pretending not to be, so your attempt to blame the political illiteracy of the American public on “capitalism” is just a case of “you would say that wouldn’t you”.

The truth is that Obama was elected by a citizenry dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. The left have ruined Americas education system, destroyed its media and thereby reduced a large percentage of its citizenry to a level of mind numbed ignorance and depravity that has no historical comparison.

Witness the fools who voted for Obama because he was “going to give them money to fill their gas tanks and pay their mortgages.

Witness the fools who voted for Obama only because of his skin colour.

Witness the fools who voted for Obama because they believed the message of “hope and change”, that same old lies and propaganda that sees every community touched by the left recede into ignorance and barbarism.

No informed and literate population would have fallen for such snake oil tactics. The left can only get elected by dumbing down the population. Same here in New Zealand. Same everywhere in the western world.

Leftist political supremacy can be related directly to the ignorance of the people, and that again relates directly to the extent to which the left control education and media. Capitalism is not corrupting anything. It hasn’t even had a chance.
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January 15, 2010 9:19am
MeneerCronje

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/3232571/Fleshmob-strips-off-to-protest-body-scans

I’m not an expert – but I don’t like the idea of security personnel seeing me naked (unless SHE’s hot 🙂 )

It’s hard to believe that there is no technology available able to detect unwanted items without them seeing you naked.

http://www.topnews.in/files/body-scanner-airport.jpg
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January 15, 2010 9:20am
Yvette

Captain Neurotic – smoking

Why not have a licence, similar to a driver’s licence, to be made a requirement for the purchase of tobacco products. No personal ID’ed Smoker’s Licence – no sale. This licence should be available to anyone over 18 years of age, perhaps with a doctor’s relevant certificate, but on issue for a period of three months only – so anyone believing they are dependent on, or addicted to tobacco may in that time avail themselves of the licence. After the 3 month period no more licences would be issued – ever – other than replacement of lost cards.

This will cater for those dependent or addicted now, the group always regarded as a ‘difficulty’ when bans are spoken of, but would make tobacco products inaccessible to new buyers.

There would be an inevitable abuse of the system, with black market licences, the need to provide for tourist smokers and other problem areas, but those would probably not outway a serious consideration of a step like this, which would hopefully deplete the market, by natural attrition, to the point where tobacco companies would find their operation unsustainable.

1] Many people have to already produce ID to by tobacco products and alcohol.
2] If Government may raise the price of tobacco and if so why not put the revenue obtained into a scheme like this?

Manolo – “These groups are for an erosion of our individual liberty and personal responsibility. My answer to all of them is a terse f..k off!”

Well, yes that is a basic question. Governments, representing us and our use of health resources, either decide to do something about these issues or nothing, but if they are going to something, I wish to hell it would effective.
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January 15, 2010 9:21am
Ryan Sproull

“Former Chief U.N. Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter Nabbed in Teen Sex Sting”

*gulp* youre not allowed to whack off on web cam while teenage girls watch?!

Not if “teen” isn’t preceded by “eigh” or “nine”.

When will Ritter learn? This isn’t the first time he’s been in trouble for messing around with underage teens. Does he not have a copy of World of Warcraft to use up all of his spare time?
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January 15, 2010 9:22am
Redbaiter

” This time the Maori Party will try to bend the arm of the increasingly weak Key government. ”

I also read where Turiana Turia is planning to oppose Paula Bennet’s welfare reforms. One of the prime areas where change is so urgently needed, and its going to be stalled by a fat useless old racist who wouldn’t even be in parliament if not for John Key’s foolish politically naive kowtowing to separatism.
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January 15, 2010 9:30am
Brian Smaller

The downfall of another pervert: “Former Chief U.N. Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter Nabbed in Teen Sex Sting”: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583027,00.html?test=latestnews

This is the guy who couldn’t find any weapons of mass destruction and criticised Bush for going to war (after the fact of course). He couldn’t even sus that Emily was a donut eating plod called Chuck.

Dime – whacking off to a web cam in front of teenage girls is probably only advisable if you are a teenage boy, and know that the person on the other end of that cam is in fact the target audience.
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January 15, 2010 9:30am
Pete George

The truth is that Obama was elected by a citizenry dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.

Haha, enough of them weren’t ignorant enough to vote for poor old John and his airhead floozie. That was one of the dumbest political plays ever. The voters could see through her from their houses.
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January 15, 2010 9:31am
big bruv

Another example of Maori conservation and care for our wildlife?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/3232595/Moko-the-dolphin-attacked-reports
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January 15, 2010 9:31am
dime

“Not if “teen” isn’t preceded by “eigh” or “nine”. ”

wouldnt six and seven also be OK in this country?
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January 15, 2010 9:34am
aardvark

Did you know that you can’t report a crime by way of sending the police an email?

Neither did I until I tried to do just that yesterday.

More about this seemingly idiotic situation in today’s Aardvark Daily.
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January 15, 2010 9:34am
Redbaiter

John McCain is a Republican. Informed people in the US have had enough of the Republican party and its dumb allegiances to left wing political ideology. They can fuck off, and John McCain with his “reach across the aisle bullshit”, can fuck off more than most.
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January 15, 2010 9:35am
MeneerCronje

Captain Neurotic – and if benefits don’t go up to cover higher cig and booze prices, there will only be two KFC buckets a day, not three.

Yvette – you didn’t really think that suggestion through did you?

STUPID people WILL find a way to KILL themselves, it’s just a shame that they breed fast enough to stay in circulation…
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January 15, 2010 9:39am
eszett

Our Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is after all, merely a fool. But our Republic is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who voted him their president. ”

http://www.theabsurdreport.com/2010/confederacy-of-fools/

Of course this appeals to you, red.
Anyone who is not of your opinion is by definition a left-wing, communist fool, an idiot who is actually too dumb to vote.

And all that coming from someone who thinks Sarah Palin should be president because she’s smart.

It’s so absurd I sometimes wonder whether you are secretly a lefty with the agenda to make rightwingers look bad.
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January 15, 2010 9:49am
Ryan Sproull

“Not if “teen” isn’t preceded by “eigh” or “nine”. ”

wouldnt six and seven also be OK in this country?

Presumably, yeah, actually. I guess I was thinking of the US.

Anyway, that’s just the law. At age 48, his lower limit should be… (48/2)+7 = 31.
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January 15, 2010 9:53am
Ross Miller

Redbaiter … get out of bed the wrong side this morning? Your comment re Turia is both offensive and stupid. She won her seat … duh. Oh, and simple addition 101 has National with 58 and ACT 5 and UF 1 = 64 and able with pass the changes proposed by Paula Bennett with or without MP support.

Do your homework b4 you engage foot and mouth.
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January 15, 2010 9:54am
MeneerCronje

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10611998

Was he alone – single file? Tamaki drive is a slaughter zone for cyclists, yet they keep at it.
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January 15, 2010 9:59am
dime

ryan – yea thats a good way of doing it 🙂 actually… that means my cut off is 23!?!? shit!! better cancel tomorrow night!
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January 15, 2010 9:59am
Redbaiter

The rod of power in the US has been handed back and forth between the left in the Republican Party and the far left in the Democrat party for too long. This cycle has to be broken, and it will only be broken by someone unaffected by the left’s mass brainwashing and dumbing down strategies.

(of which you eszett, with your naked uninformed and worthless opinion that basically regurgitates every talking point put out there by the left wing mainstream media, are a prime example of. Exactly portraying the kind of hopeless brainless gape jawed drooling dumbfuck that is mass produced by the left’s control of the culture)
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January 15, 2010 10:03am
Yvette

MeneerCronje – “Yvette – you didn’t really think that suggestion through did you?
STUPID people WILL find a way to KILL themselves, it’s just a shame that they breed fast enough to stay in circulation…”

That WAS THE WHOLE POINT of my suggestion. Make a limited-time-of-issue licence available to confirmed smokers, and then prohibit sales to anyone else [and just accept, as you point out, some genetically befert will break the ban] but those still smoking with their legal licence will DIE and with them an economic market for the manufactures of tobacco products. QED.
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January 15, 2010 10:04am
Pete George

And replace it with the bible belt brainwashed? Dream on. Especially if you think that will translate somehow to politics and public opinion here.
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January 15, 2010 10:08am
Redbaiter

“Your comment re Turia is both offensive and stupid.”

Its not stupid, and I’m glad you’re offended. As an enabler of a racist separatist organisation that is splitting NZ asunder politically and socially, you should be offended far more frequently.
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January 15, 2010 10:10am
Brian Smaller

Ryan – what sort of lefty Cullen-esque maths is this?

Anyway, that’s just the law. At age 48, his lower limit should be… (48/2)+7 = 31.

At 48, my target age range is 16-still breathing.
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January 15, 2010 10:10am
Redbaiter

” Especially if you think that will translate somehow to politics and public opinion here.”

Why not? After all that’s exactly what the left have done in bringing European socialism to NZ. (and ruining it in the process)
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January 15, 2010 10:14am
big bruv

Every right minded Kiwi should be offended at almost everything Turia has to say.

She is an out and out racist, if she was not brown skinned the media would tear her apart.
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January 15, 2010 10:19am
Repton

Ryan – what sort of lefty Cullen-esque maths is this?

Anyway, that’s just the law. At age 48, his lower limit should be… (48/2)+7 = 31.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=half-your-age-plus-seven
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January 15, 2010 11:01am
Repton

“Not if “teen” isn’t preceded by “eigh” or “nine”. ”

wouldnt six and seven also be OK in this country?

Well, we still have age restrictions up to R18. So the question is whether a web cam is equivalent to being there in real life, or to watching someone on video..
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January 15, 2010 11:02am
Ryan Sproull

What Repton said. Half your age plus seven.
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January 15, 2010 11:13am
MeneerCronje

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3232916/Police-watch-on-Whale-Oil-blog

“But it’s also my view that if somebody doesn’t like a law then they are free to advocate for change and to express their concerns, but they can’t take the law in to their own hands and that applies equally to Cameron Slater as it does to every other New Zealander,” Mr Key said.

Mr. Key has already shown us what he thought of 87% of voters “advocating for change and expressing their concerns”, so not a very viable alternative to “taking the law into their own hands”.

Love the /2+7
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January 15, 2010 11:34am
starboard

Is Chris Carter and husband off to Haiti ?
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January 15, 2010 11:36am
eszett

(of which you eszett, with your naked uninformed and worthless opinion that basically regurgitates every talking point put out there by the left wing mainstream media, are a prime example of. Exactly portraying the kind of hopeless brainless gape jawed drooling dumbfuck that is mass produced by the left’s control of the culture)

I just love how you encourage debate and the exchange of ideas, red. And how you respect other peoples opinions and arguments, even when you disagree with them.

the left’s control of the culture

Now if that’s not a regurgitated talking point of the right, I don’t know what is.
After all, the left are “hopeless brainless gape jawed drooling dumbfucks”. How on earth did they manage to outwit those bright and intelligent rightwingers and control the “culture”?
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January 15, 2010 11:36am
Redbaiter

” How on earth did they manage to outwit those bright and intelligent rightwingers and control the “culture”?”

It is not the right’s ambition to use government to force a culture upon the citizenry. The right does not want anything other than to be left alone. The fight is always going to be about the right resisting the left’s efforts to control, and those efforts have become so pervasive and invasive today that things have to change.

And they will. The wall you have built around democracy will be taken down brick by brick. Just as it was taken down in Berlin. We’re not going to take your stinking lying commie bullshit any longer.
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January 15, 2010 12:25pm
Owen McShane

The Climate is Changing – the political climate that is. eg:

Gore’s Books cause Warming in Britain
Washington, DC., January 8, 2009 – It has been reported in the London press that poor old-age pensioners are having to resort to buying books at thrift shops to burn to keep warm during the prolonged bitterly cold weather in the United Kingdom. In response to this humanitarian crisis, Freedom Action is calling on former Vice President Al Gore to join an effort to collect and airlift copies of his science fiction bestsellers to British people in dire need.

“We are collecting copies of Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth, Our Choice, and Earth in the Balance and will send them to Oxfam in the UK to distribute for free to vulnerable people trying to survive the cold weather,” said Myron Ebell, Director of Freedom Action. “We call on Mr. Gore to co-operate in our effort to relieve human suffering by providing copies of his books for burning in stoves and fireplaces.”

“It is appropriate that Al Gore’s books should be used to help keep poor people warm,” Ebell explained, “since the principal reason the British government is totally unprepared to deal with the brutally cold weather is because they have fallen for the global warming myths propagated by Gore himself in his bestselling books. Burning Gore’s otherwise worthless books to keep people from freezing is their highest and best use.”
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January 15, 2010 12:50pm
Kris K

Pete George [January 14th, 2010 at 6:39 pm],

[From GD of 13-01-10]

Your god sounds like a mean bastard Kris. But it doesn’t add up. If all of Haiti had converted to your “true” religion how would that have prevented the earthquake?

If all Muslims converted to your “true” religion would that suddenly make them caring prosperous people?

I think you will find that Christians have suffered from a lot of natural (and unnatural) disasters over the centuries. Can’t be praying hard enough. Or something.

Pete, you miss the point.
I was speaking of the benefits of infrastructural safeguards (eg building codes) that typically Western nations have in place as a result of their Christian heritage, and the blessings (largely past tense) of their past submission to the God of the Bible.
I outlined this in an earlier comment.

So while being a ‘Christian nation/individual’ doesn’t make you immune to disasters such as earthquakes, one of the benefits that you do have is in the area of infrastructural safeguards such as building codes. Something it appears Haiti had little or any of (building codes, etc).
And remember, I live in Wellington.

A little aside:
Did you know that Wellington has the most stringent building codes on the globe?
NZ is recognised as leading the world in the area of building codes, but Wellington has ‘additional’ requirements in the area of wind and earthquake loadings.

And anyone (Muslim or otherwise) who embraces the God of the Bible becomes a “son of God”, and is subject to His spiritual and physical protection. Those that do “convert” generally do become a more “caring prosperous people”.
Of course we are not immune to natural disasters – we live in a fallen world too, after all.

Primarily, though, the protection is in the area of eternal security.
At the end of the day, each and everyone of us, both Christian and non, have a death sentence upon us – you and I will both die physically, Pete. But as a Christian; a son of God, I will not die spiritually (Christians have eternal life), but those without Christ will suffer spiritual death; separation from God for all eternity in the lake of fire.

Bottom line:
Christ came not to feed the refugee and provide aid, but rather to save men’s immortal souls.
So while we may pour aid into Third World disaster areas, if we additionally shared the gospel with those individuals, then God would look after His now children both in the here, but more importantly, in the hereafter.

To save the body in this life, but not save the soul for the next, is essentially an exercise in futility.
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January 15, 2010 1:02pm
Ryan Sproull

Kris,

So when we don’t have natural disasters, it’s because we have a Christian heritage, and when we do have natural disasters, it’s because “we live in a fallen world too, after all”?
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January 15, 2010 1:15pm
Johnboy

From the Dompost today:

‘Several Catholic Archdiocese buildings fell, including an office at the main cathedral, according to the Vatican, killing Archbishop Joseph Serge Miot and at least 100 priests and seminarians.’

Christian or pagan, earthquakes don’t seem to distinguish between who they take.
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January 15, 2010 1:31pm
malcolm

Kris, the Japanese are probably better than NZ at earthquake design* and they don’t have a Christian heritage. Infact they’re one of the most technologically advanced countries.

*Of course they didn’t invent the lead-rubber bearing isolators.
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January 15, 2010 1:46pm
Pete George

Samoa has a much stronger Christian inclination than NZ, it didn’t help them much last year.
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January 15, 2010 1:52pm
Ryan Sproull

Samoa has a much stronger Christian inclination than NZ, it didn’t help them much last year.

We live in a fallen world.
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January 15, 2010 1:55pm
malcolm

Samoa has a much stronger Christian inclination than NZ, it didn’t help them much last year.

But are they TRUE Christians?
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January 15, 2010 2:03pm
stephen

And how you respect other peoples opinions and arguments, even when you disagree with them.

I don’t have that much of a problem disrespecting some people’s batshit insane arguments, do you?
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January 15, 2010 2:36pm
Tassman

The only relationship NZ and USA may have is not economic but a homosexual one…
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January 15, 2010 4:01pm
NOt1tocommentoften

Tassman – I didn’t realise Roy Fergusson was gay?
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January 15, 2010 4:17pm
PaulL

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704363504575003304065666236.html?mod=rss_Politics_And_Policy

The race to replace Ted Kennedy is hotting up, and it suddenly looks possible (not likely, but possible) that a Republican could take the seat, removing the Democrat’s 60th vote in the Senate and killing Obamacare. It’s a hell of a wake up call to the Dem’s, and I expect they’ll double their efforts and get there, but nice to dream…..
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January 15, 2010 4:19pm
jaba

FFS .. Darien shaky Fention has done another post on the rich .. this time trying to justify the “rich” paying more to support Labour voters .. the comments following are would make Stalin blush.
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January 15, 2010 6:38pm
Hurf Durf

LOL, whenever RB slams the ineffective, corrupt and useless Obama Administration, Peteypoos sticks his head out of the gutter and has a wail. Stick to spamming WaPo articles about globular warming, Petey, you’re better at that.
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January 15, 2010 7:46pm
Rachael Rich

Hilary Clinton apparently cancelled the visit to NZ because of the earthquake in Haiti. Not so true! More likely cancelled due to a Browning in Massachusetts.

In actual fact, she is campaigning in Mass for Coakley.

The Dems are desparate.
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January 15, 2010 7:52pm
Hurf Durf

Hey, Delirium, are you the Hooeruld’s World editor? I noticed the same rectal anguish vis-a-vis the choice of articles concerning US politics today.
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January 15, 2010 9:28pm
Luc Hansen

What’s happened to the Karma while I have been away?
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January 16, 2010 6:16am
MikeNZ

LUC
Its annoying isn’t it? as you can’t see how much people disagree with you can you 🙂

Meanwhile Melanie Phillips at the Spectator in the UK has a post on David Cameron the Tory Leader that is illuminating.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/5699526/yes-its-more-difficult-than-you-think-dave.thtml
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January 16, 2010 9:28am
Patrick Starr

The headline should read “Labour Party links to accused terrorists”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10620568
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January 16, 2010 9:39am
Thrash Cardiom

Another example of Maori conservation and care for our wildlife?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/3232595/Moko-the-dolphin-attacked-reports

No. An example of one person reacting badly, not an entire ethnic group.
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January 16, 2010 10:06am
Rachael Rich

MikeNZ,
What Melanie is saying is best summed up by this comment on that thread:

“”Relugus: what it also shows is Cameron’s inability to say anything meaningful. It’s obvious that in his absurd voyage across egg-shells, he’d rather trot out bland PC nonsense than risk saying anything that might smack of conservatism. We need a proper leader who’s not afraid of speaking the truth””

It seems that PC-tiptoeing-on-egg-shells has infested conservatives all over the world. What are they so afraid of? From what I can tell, conservatives far out-number left wing loonies so it can’t be about loosing votes.
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January 16, 2010 10:31am
Redbaiter

” It seems that PC-tiptoeing-on-egg-shells has infested conservatives all over the world. ”

Very good. Exactly the problem that the right needs to face up to. No more tippy toeing on egg shells. No more conforming to the left’s delusional guidelines.

Say it like it is. Fuck those arrogant disgusting little petty tyrants of thought and speech.

Say what you believe without the slightest care for the politically correct doctrines that the left have used for so long to mute criticism of their bizarre and destructive ideas.
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January 16, 2010 10:55am
Redbaiter

BTW, thanks for posting the link to the Melanie Phillips article MikeNZ. Very good read.
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