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philu

so starr..has your friend/my ex-fellow-pupil grown up to be a stuffy old conservative/reactionary/bigoted ‘christian’..?

..like you..?

..and what did you do with your alloted years..?..here..?..starr..?

..start work at the insurance company at age 16..?

..and retire 50 years later..?

..wondering..”fuck..!..maybe i should have done ‘more’..?

..eh..?

..this was your life..!..patrick starr..!

..(dosen’t that have you going..’fuck!..i think i missed something..!’..)

‘cos whatever mine has been darling..

..it hasn’t been the life of a boring drone..

..like yours..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 1, 2009 8:37pm
Steve

Phool,
Your goal is to make 5000, can you work out how many more to make 5000?
I wish I could set a goal like that, 5000 then a chocolate fish.
Oh man I really want that chocolate fish.

Stupid Prick
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August 1, 2009 8:46pm
philu

btw..dpf..

..has national had you do any polling of the newly unemployed..?

..y’know..asking how many of them voted for that ‘change’/national..?

..and asking how they now feel about ‘that nice mr key’..

..and whether they will vote nationalagain/next time out..?

..could be interesting..eh..?

..there is a big enough pool to get a clear picture..

..and it’s getting bigger every day..

..eh..?

..should be huge by next election time..eh..?

..’celebrating’..?..this weekend..?..were you..?

ah well..!..may as well..

..while you’ve still got the chance..

..eh..?

this time next year you’ll be/things’ll be a little grimmer..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 1, 2009 8:50pm
Hurf Durf

Put a sock in it, phool.

In other current affairs, here’s the racist idiot Crowley, America’s Susan Boyle, helping Gates navigate the stairs, while President Wonderful preens for the camera.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/afterbeers_PS-0436.jpg
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August 1, 2009 8:52pm
Patrick Starr

“has your friend/my ex-fellow-pupil grown up to be a stuffy old conservative/reactionary/bigoted ‘christian’..?”

nope – he’s a full blooded leftie, but like you he is old, unlike you he works for a living. (he has a conscience)

I congratulate you however on your later years qualifications. I left school early but it has never done me any harm (I pay 3.25x more in tax than you get on the benefit)

as I’ve also told you before I raised a child as a solo dad, no assistance – no welfare, no WFF’s. Every time I’ve given you advice on how to do it you threw up excuses.

I’ve missed nothing. In my younger years I was a very good looking man. Tall (well 1.8) dark and handsome. I played rep rugby and have a silver fern (NZ rep) in yachting. I’m and active hunter and fully participating dad to 3 kids.

I have no regrets – (apart from not undertaking pre-nups in 2 relationships)

I’m very sought after in my field of employment – and can afford the some of the luxuries in life.

You on the other hand claim to be: “the second most intelligent in the school” but seem to have achieved nothing since ……any explanation?
(again)

A./Rosmini was full of pigshit thick idiots?
B./ youre lying?
C./ you’re a natural born loser?
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August 1, 2009 9:03pm
philu

“..as I’ve also told you before I raised a child as a solo dad, no assistance – no welfare, no WFF’s. ”

what did you do with the child..on school holidays..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 1, 2009 9:07pm
Patrick Starr

as I told you previously a pre condition of any employment was 5 or 6 weeks A/L. (and i’ve been in the same job a while now)
In addition I would use friends and family, (and reciprocate for the friends kids as well)
These arrangements are not difficult to make (provided you have any friends?) but I’ve heard all your excuses about school holiday camps and no family willing to step in. That’s all bullshit and it’s all about how hard you try.

You, Mr Ure do not put in any effort. This is the reason not many on this blog have any respect for you and give you the shit we do
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August 1, 2009 9:18pm
big bruv

“what did you do with the child..on school holidays..?”

Of all the reasons you use to be a parasite Phool that is the weakest one by a country mile.
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August 1, 2009 9:23pm
philu

go and get fucked..my boy couldn’t be turning out better..

..and you had family..and farmed yr kid out with friends..

..good on you..!

i’ve looked after mine..

end of fucken story..

..never again will i engage on this subject..

..as you say..you have done it endless times before..

..aren’t you bored fucken rigid with just saying the same crap over and over again..?

..fuck you’re a bore ..!..starr..with yr constant fucken whinging..the same shit..over and over again..

..and never anything of any import/substance..

..just your whine of..’you’re a bludging solo-parent’..

..you have the intelllectual rigor of a fucken gnat..

….and could ‘bore’ for ew zealand..

..and your corny old fucken lame jokes..

..i’d rather drive hot needles into my eyes..]]

..than spend any more time engaging with you..

..welcome to my shit-list/ignore-function..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 1, 2009 9:25pm
big bruv

Hurf

It is perfectly acceptable to be a racist just as long as you are not white.

Hell, armies of pinko’s will fight to defend your racist words or actions if you are black, brown, yellow etc…
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August 1, 2009 9:27pm
philu

bruv..see 9.25..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 1, 2009 9:28pm
big bruv

“go and get fucked..my boy couldn’t be turning out better..”

Oh really?, does that mean he is already on the dole?
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August 1, 2009 9:28pm
hubris

philu (4983) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
August 1st, 2009 at 9:25 pm

go and get fucked..my boy couldn’t be turning out better..

Happy place, phil, go to your happy place.
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August 1, 2009 9:30pm
big bruv

Ohh, what’s the matter Phool?, are you feeling a tiny bit guilty for stealing from the working men of NZ?
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August 1, 2009 9:30pm
Patrick Starr

oh dear – I seem to have found a little conscience!

not once did I question how your son turned out. Stop fucken hiding behind him you pathetic drug fucked parasite

You are a natural born loser!

“i’d rather drive hot needles into my eyes..”

Yeah? – well I’m sure once you ran out of room on your arms and legs you’ve probably already tried that one
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August 1, 2009 9:30pm
big bruv

“..i’d rather drive hot needles into my eyes..]]”

Please…..allow me to do that for you.
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August 1, 2009 9:31pm
big bruv

Patrick

““i’d rather drive hot needles into my eyes..”

Yeah? – well I’m sure once you ran out of room on your arms and legs you’ve probably already tried that one”

THAT is bloody funny!
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August 1, 2009 9:32pm
Hurf Durf

Phool has no compunction about leeching off the state, but advise him to leave his kids to friends and family and he starts drooling violently and mouths off incoherencies.

Sounds a little bit like paranoia to me. Must be all the pot – they’re not really out to get you, Phil.
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August 1, 2009 9:35pm
philu

“..This is the reason not many on this blog have any respect for you and give you the shit we do..”

one final thing..

be very very clear..that if you think i give a flying fuck what the likes of you think about me..?

..dream on darling..!

..i have total contempt for you..

..and for the vile greedy/class-driven/environmentally destructive politics you believe/peddle..

..are we clear on that..?

..you are a fucken bad joke..

..nothing more..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 1, 2009 9:37pm
Patrick Starr

Philu
one final question you still haven’t answered from yesterday;

“philu – did you do a thesis? what was it on? can you reply so i can understand you?”

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_31_july_2009.html#comment-590899

I’d like to know how many full stops it had?
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August 1, 2009 9:39pm
Hurf Durf

Hasn’t Prince Guthrie III of the Republic of Western Sahara answered your email about buying Whoar yet? No wonder you’re so wound up.
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August 1, 2009 9:43pm
toad

Hey, Patrick, Hurf, bruv, Phil, Steve – we’ve just got what is potentially the biggest political story of the year – alleged corruption by the Deputy Prime Minister.

And you guys use this thread here (when DPF’s obviously too otherwise engaged to start one on that topic) to bicker about trivial and personal issues.

Get with it.
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August 1, 2009 9:47pm
nickb

Phil- found you a job! You’ll be vastly experienced!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-me-jobs/Healthcare/Community-social-services/listing-229957461.htm?key=857287
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August 1, 2009 9:48pm
philu

“..In my younger years I was a very good looking man…”

ugly old fuck now..are you..?

..and..not very shallow/vain..?..eh..?

(goes with the boring..eh..?..)

..did yr sir name go to yr head..?

and you can just shut the fuck up too..aunty toad..

..you prissy old thing you..

..look out..!..lift yr skirts..!..there’s a puddle..!

see back in the thread..

..b4 you shoot your mouth off..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 1, 2009 9:52pm
Jack5

Toad at 6.52 continues desperate lefties’ attempt to attack National, especially English and co., over MPs’ disclosed expenses.

Can Toad please explain how English’s Wellington house allowance differs from Helen Clark’s husband Peter being eligible for taxpayer money to visit H1 in New York repeatedly? (This is part of the travel perks of a spouse of a former longer-term MP). Okay to keep the Clarks together, but not to keep the Englishes as a family unit? If you think so you’ve spent too long in the mud at the bottom of the political pond, Toad.

Some labourites say Mrs English and their kids live outside the Southland electorate. Well good on them. They would see bugger-all of the Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister if they were based in Southland. As it is he can be down there and back in a day.

Meanwhile nothing revealed about National MP expenses tops Labour’s move (stifled by the new Centre-Right government) to set up its party president with state-owned enterprise directorships.

And Toad, your allegation of corruption in a later post is just, well plain bullshit. Do you really want us to start raking up the scumbag stuff of labour to put things in perspective? Forged paintings. Speeding cavalcades etc etc.
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August 1, 2009 9:53pm
Hurf Durf

Frogboy, my personal biggest story of the year is that Wet Wussell only got third in Mt Albert even with a 22% increase in the Green vote, Labour only just in opposition and a weak National candidate.

Why do your people have to travel around everywhere, anywhere? Tell them to get on their bikes, it’s environmentally friendly.
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August 1, 2009 9:53pm
ophiuchus

“..phil..

..try and join the real world..

..i believe your mother didn’t teach you to..

..talk in ellipses..

..you would sound rather weird if you were at school, wouldn’t you?..”
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August 1, 2009 9:54pm
Patrick Starr

Philu,
you’re engaging with me again – and so soon!

– did you go blind?

– did it hurt?

– eh?

-eh?

-eh?
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August 1, 2009 9:54pm
hubris

And you guys use this thread here (when DPF’s obviously too otherwise engaged to start one on that topic) to bicker about trivial and personal issues.

Yeah, funny how it always goes quiet when mates are being BBQ’d.
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August 1, 2009 9:55pm
Jack5

In my 9.53 post above I talked of the Labour president and public company directorships. I meant state-owned organisation directorships.
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August 1, 2009 9:57pm
hubris

..talk in ellipses..

Ellipsis = 3 dots, not 2.

Don’t they teach anything before pre-school these days?
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August 1, 2009 9:58pm
ophiuchus

Ellipsis = 3 dots, not 2.

Don’t they teach anything before pre-school these days?

Obviously not hubris, we have to be taught about how NZ Labour is the best party in the universe, Grammar hardly gets a mention anymore.
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August 1, 2009 10:03pm
wreck1080

English is a prick.

He is abusing the spirit for which the allowance was intended.

I hate it when people use technicalities to justify something that was never intended.
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August 1, 2009 10:09pm
Patrick Starr

of all of Phools statements this one has to be the funniest;

“..and you had family..and farmed yr kid out with friends..

..good on you..!

i’ve looked after mine..”

yeah right – considering how much time he spends on this blog
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August 1, 2009 10:10pm
hubris

Obviously not hubris, we have to be taught about how NZ Labour is the best party in the universe, Grammar hardly gets a mention anymore.

Is that the state interfering with how you bring up your kids again? Or your own choice?
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August 1, 2009 10:14pm
ophiuchus

“Is that the state interfering with how you bring up your kids again? Or your own choice?”

There is a reason why I typed the word WE. In other words, I have been taught that way.

And yet you criticise my poor use of grammar.
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August 1, 2009 10:25pm
Jack5

Wreck posted at 10.09:”…English … is abusing the spirit for which the allowance was intended.”

What rubbish! Allowances always have been tailored to especially help MPs like English and the Maori Party members who have far flung electorates. Without such help, these electoral seats would be open only to the very rich. Keeping a Minister’s family together, and helping him fill his ministerial post at the same time as serving a distant electorate is exactly what the allowance is for.

I’m not surprised the leftists on the attack in Kiwblog tonight can’t see this. They will be mainly from Wellington and Auckland, rather than from distant provinces that earn the country’s income. These posters will be mainly heavily indoor types studying social “science” subjects (or with qualifications in them already). They will be arthouse movie buffs, have posters of Che Guevera in his beret on their walls, will probably be civil servants, and will certainly be union members. In their most private inner dreams they will see themselves as heroes of revolution such as Russia’s in 1917. What delusion! They would have been on the boat out of Russia at the first rifle volley from the White Guards.

The Labour types in Southland will probably be of the old blue-collar type – tradesmen, freezing workers, farmhands, and the like. If only these sort of people still ran Labour instead of the Teachers’ Union and the dreamers like wreck1080.
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August 1, 2009 10:26pm
hubris

ophiuchus (95) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
August 1st, 2009 at 10:25 pm

In other words, I have been taught that way.

You wouldn’t have to use ‘other words’ if you had been clear in the first place. But I forgive you.

And no, ellipsis isn’t grammar, it’s punctuation.
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August 1, 2009 10:27pm
ophiuchus

Apology accepted.
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August 1, 2009 10:28pm
hubris

Fucker 🙂
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August 1, 2009 10:32pm
hubris

Jack5 (753) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:

What delusion!

Exactly, what the fuck are you taking?
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August 1, 2009 10:36pm
ophiuchus

…roll eyes sarcastically…
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August 1, 2009 10:37pm
hubris

Stop it, you devil.

PS yay proper ellipses!
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August 1, 2009 10:39pm
muppet

Jack5…me a leftie? How did you reach that conclusion from my short comment? I am truly interested to know.
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August 1, 2009 11:28pm
Kapital

Even as we speak Farrar , whaleoil , the Nat party research unit and crosby textor work deep into the night to spin their way out of the Bill Engish rort story.
A few valiant foot soldiers like jack 5 try to hold the fort but it is to no avail
When even the arch right blogger
cactus Kate can see its a rort. things are not good

What will tomorrow’s spin be?

They do it too ?
Its my entitlement?
Its keeping my family together ?
Stay Tuned
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August 2, 2009 12:05am
Chris_C

# William2
August 1st, 2009 at 8:36 pm

toad wrote
“Kapital said: From gblog posted in full as its interesting

Yes, very interesting indeed. The post, with links to evidential material, is here.”

If you look back at the 31 January 2008 return he declares an interest in a trust called Endeavour Trust. The Dompost story mentions the Wgton house is owned by a family trust. There may have merely been some delay in the change of Trustees being notified to the Land Transfer Office. Even though the house is owned by a trust, the Trustees are listed on the title.

Not the same trust. The Endeavour Trust is this: http://www.endeavourcommunitytrust.co.nz/

English delcared a beneficial interest, which most likely means he was a recipient of, or his farm or business was a recipient of, funds or other benefits from this trust. With regard to his family trust, as far as I’m aware, you don’t have to declare if you’re a trustee unless you’re likely to gain benefit now or at some time in the future. It is interesting that information seems to be missing from the Register though.
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August 2, 2009 12:26am
Hurf Durf

Lawl, Das Kapital believes in the Crosby Textor boogeyman.
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August 2, 2009 1:12am
Manolo

“He is abusing the spirit for which the allowance was intended. ”

100% right: Bill English is milking the generous system the politicians have created for themselves.

It’s no excuse to say this is common practice among MPs and “technically” legal. This sort of attitude to “entitlements” can only continue ruining our country by creating more bludgers at all levels of society.
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August 2, 2009 5:59am
ernesto

I wonder if English has ever looked at the $1000 pw and asked… “Is this a nice to have, or need to have policy”.

Cut your own excesses first, two faced hypocrite. Having childless Ministers doesn’t look so bad after all.
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August 2, 2009 7:47am
ernesto

National finally has a real crisis and the Bloggers are all asleep… or struggling to find a decent spin.
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August 2, 2009 8:04am
thedavincimode

Backster

I can’t even remember how/when they passed this; its been around as long as I can recall. But my point is that since that time, MPs will have come and gone and that was the deal they signed up to. Its there, its part of the “pay”.

But certainly it should go. Its ridiculous. But that is quite different from saying that those who use that entitlement should pay it back.

Unfortunately, this is what you get when people who wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of earning a parliamentary salary in the real world get left in charge of the honesty box.

AND, hasn’t this been an interesting series of outbursts from the Big Magpie. I think that he actually craves respect. He clearly doesn’t like confronting the fact that he is a dead weight cost on society. But not enough to get a job.

So what will happen when the little magpie leaves the nest?

Debilitating illness? Sore toe? Post parenting stress disorder? keep those cheques coming!

Why doesn’t the Big Magpie trust the little magpie enough (after all, he’s 14 years old, not 14 months) to leave him at home for 6 hours a day during the hols?

How many of you were left at home in the hols at age 14 because your parent/parents didn’t have a choice, other than go on the bludge? I’d say there are lots of us out there.
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August 2, 2009 9:11am
William2

Cris_C wrote

“Not the same trust. The Endeavour Trust is this: http://www.endeavourcommunitytrust.co.nz/

English delcared a beneficial interest, which most likely means he was a recipient of, or his farm or business was a recipient of, funds or other benefits from this trust. With regard to his family trust, as far as I’m aware, you don’t have to declare if you’re a trustee unless you’re likely to gain benefit now or at some time in the future. It is interesting that information seems to be missing from the Register though.”

No. The Endeavour Community Trust is different to the Endeavour Trust. They have different wording in their names, see! The Community one is a pub charity in the lower North Island that gives pokie money to organisations in the lower North Island. Their website states their aims are to provide;
“Funds for the promotion of amateur sporting teams or clubs who have been formally established and or legally constituted. To provide for the conduct of race meetings for the benefit of the public and to promote and control those meetings, including:” blah blah. I can’t see Bill English qualifying 🙂

Parliamentarians must include family trusts in their return for the Register of Pecuniary interests if they are a beneficiary of a family trust. See
http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyres/2EAA178E-ABE8-4200-A91E-86A0F977727B/96319/registerofpecuniaryinterestsnotes2009_1.pdf
and
http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyres/1957D70D-E412-4875-93F7-D7876317AFD7/96829/registerofpecuniaryinterestsnotestrusts2009_1.pdf

We still don’t know if the Endeavour Trust is the English family trust, but if so in the last year or so Bill has ceased to be both a trustee and a beneficiary of it. I wonder why.
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