General Debate 3 May 2009

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Poliwatch

PhilBest, another book on climate change but from the other viewpoint. “Poles Apart” by Gareth Morgan

http://www.randomhouse.co.nz/Book_Display_46.aspx?CategoryId=17&ProductId=464872

(DPF – Sorry if this appears a couple of times. The first posts did not work. Is that something to do with Links?)
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May 3, 2009 8:21am
greenfly

slightly rotund.

[DPF: Permanently banned. Pack your bags greenfly]

[DPF: No but impersonating me will get demerits in future]
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May 3, 2009 8:24am
Poliwatch

I saw this and first thought that the plane had hit the offices of The Standard

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8030898.stm

But then I realised it was greenfly’s house (the colour tipped me off)
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May 3, 2009 8:25am
peterwn

I thought it was ‘blog silence’ this weekend. Either Telecom or Vodafone have improved coverage, or DPF has borrowed an old wok and improvised a satellite link.

[DPF: Nope, just by chance the home we are in this time is in the very very small coverage area]
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May 3, 2009 9:24am
Inventory2

Excellent article by Ralston today on Purchase Advisers

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/05/yes-minister-dead.html
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May 3, 2009 9:34am
expat

greenfly obviously has lyn prentice envy – delusions of dictatorship. 😉

Peter, I heard a BBC world service story about african health service centers using tin cans to fashion a wifi data link across a hill so anything is possible.
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May 3, 2009 9:44am
greenfly

greenfly (1057) 0 3 Says:

May 3rd, 2009 at 8:24 am
slightly rotund.

[DPF: Permanently banned. Pack your bags greenfly]

[DPF: No but impersonating me will get demerits in future]

[DPF: I’ve reconsidered. Demerits deleted]
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May 3, 2009 10:05am
greenfly

greenfly (1058) 0 0 Says:

May 3rd, 2009 at 10:05 am
greenfly (1057) 0 3 Says:

May 3rd, 2009 at 8:24 am
slightly rotund.

[DPF: Permanently banned. Pack your bags greenfly]

[DPF: No but impersonating me will get demerits in future]

[DPF: I’ve reconsidered. Demerits deleted]

[DPF: You were warned about impersonating me. Permanently banned]

[DPF: Indeed you are – never seen such an own goal of stupidity before. I even gave you a friendly warning]
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May 3, 2009 10:07am
Murray

Jesus is there shrink in the house… actually make it three or four and they can take a personality each.
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May 3, 2009 10:19am
getstaffed

greenfly trolls continuously wrecking threads, contributes nothing, fantasizes about being banned and then taunts our kindly host. greenfly – you are a loser. that DPF lets you comment here is a miracle. i wouldn’t tolerate your objectionable behaviour.
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May 3, 2009 10:21am
Murray

Free speech getsaffed, DPF supports it and it gives us something to contemplate come election time about what the Greens have spent the tax payers money on.

Paying a nasty emotionaly disturbed and hate inspired daily assault on New Zealands most widely read political blog.

Sweet way to advertise yourself Wussle Noman.
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May 3, 2009 10:30am
Redbaiter

News from Australia worth noting-

Part of a newsletter from a politician:

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Two days ago, I read a report that the illegal immigrants who are detained on Christmas island are receiving thousands of dollars in benefits from the Australian government for breaking Australian law by breaching our border security.

One report has a family of four receiving $1066 per fortnight for food – more than many Australian resident families would receive from the government when faced with extreme economic hardship.

Of course, the payment made to the illegal arrivals reportedly doesn’t include the free accommodation (yes that’s right – a house in the community not a jail cell!), internet access and an unrestricted phone card so they can contact family and friends . One can only imagine the reports of the land of milk and honey during these taxpayer funded phone calls.
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May 3, 2009 10:45am
goodgod

Speaking of Australia, did anyone catch the news item last night about Australian armed forces gearing up to be the America of the Pacific? Apparently the U.S. aren’t big enough to protect Aussie anymore and they want to be able to fight off most of Asia, but would prefer not to go to war with China. haha.

So much for Helen Clark’s benign strategic environment. We can only hope the Australians invade soon.
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May 3, 2009 10:59am
reid

“So much for Helen Clark’s benign strategic environment.”

Yeh it’s here, gg.

Point was, when Clark said that, everyone in the business knew then that what’s now happening was going to be happening. And she still said it, and the reef-fish believed it and the media didn’t challenge it and neither did the opposition politicians at the time.

So we lost the opportunity to configure ourselves properly because instead of de-fanging the military all those years we should have been doing the exact opposite. And she knew it, at the time and she still did it. Another demonstration of her execrable tendency to implement plans that serve her personally but damage the nation.

Fuck she’s a bitch.
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May 3, 2009 11:13am
goodgod

But there’s a little ray of light on the horizon there, reid. Wayne Mapp was talking of fitting in with the Australian forces plans and buying equipment to compliment theirs. I was almost gob-smacked. Sensible thinking at a last!
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May 3, 2009 11:17am
reid

Yes that’s a very good sign gg but IMO, until we make peace with the US over the anti-nuke issue we will never be secure (and this is the reality whatever the public spin is and anyone who thinks we have already made peace and cites the various releases from officials as evidence, is IMO, naive in the extreme). And this is notwithstanding the US influence is declining – its technology remains superior and will do for some time to come.

Key moving the issue off the table was a long-term strategic error for our national security and he did it for the sake of a domestic political quick win. In my view when you’re talking about national security it’s important to put the nation first and your own interests second, always. Key didn’t do that.

On another note, have a look at this video which details what the Clinton Administration did to force banks to lend to minorities which became the genesis of the sub-prime Collateralised Debt Objects (CDOs). Guess who was the lawyer for one of the main minority representative groups that took litigation against the banks to implement this? Obama.

Lest anyone think this lets the Bush Admin off the hook for their part in the GFC debacle, au contrare. All this does is further reinforce what I’ve always said – both sides are bad. Anyone BTW been following the Rice admission re: conveying to the CIA the torture memos?

“I didn’t authorize anything,” Rice insisted. “I conveyed the authorization of the administration to the agency.”

“By definition,” she repeated, “if it was authorized by the president, it did not violate our obligations under the Convention Against Torture.”

She’s fucked.
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May 3, 2009 11:41am
philu

“..Paying a nasty emotionaly disturbed and hate inspired daily assault on New Zealands most widely read political blog…”

muzza..!

that’s you..!

(btw..did you hear the one about the dyslexic pousehainter..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 3, 2009 11:50am
getstaffed

Kittens face surgery after paws hacked off

Absolutely bloody disgusting. We’ll be seeing more of these kids in the news in the next few years no doubt.
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May 3, 2009 12:46pm
bharmer

oodgod (1269) Vote: 5 0 Says:
May 3rd, 2009 at 11:17 am
“But there’s a little ray of light on the horizon there, reid. Wayne Mapp was talking of fitting in with the Australian forces plans and buying equipment to complement theirs. I was almost gob-smacked. Sensible thinking at a last!”

Before you get too excited, the minister is also quoted as saying that our present levels of defense expenditure (which have halved in the last decade) are about right. Compare with Australia whose expenses have about doubled in the same period and seem ready to double again.
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May 3, 2009 3:42pm
reid

Quite right bharmer. Low spending relative to GDP has been a problem since the early 80’s and every year you leave it like that the worse it gets because other nations are outstripping you all the time.

Wish there were more public awareness of the peril of this long-standing issue.
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May 3, 2009 4:06pm
simo

Keep an eye on the Sunday programme tonight as Gareth Morgan jumps out of the closet and tries to convince NZ that humans are the cause of global warming. Like the lads in the Life of Brian – a bloody splitter!! Hang your head in shame Gareth Morgan – your off our reading list and radar, to team up with warmists AGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
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May 3, 2009 5:25pm
philu

that’s the reaction of a rational being..

eh simo..?

condemn before seeing the evidence..?

a tad luddite..are you..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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May 3, 2009 6:29pm
Nomestradamus

Philu:

Current Demerits:

Phil U – 10 (30/8/08) + 10 (1/9/08)+ 10 (1/9/08) + 10 (19/9/08) + 10 (22/9/08) + 20 (17/3/09) + 10 (30/3/09) = 80

Add to that 10 demerits here and again here.

Two week ban. Bye bye!
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May 3, 2009 7:02pm
RainbowGlobalWarming

NZ research cats doubts on Global Warming models

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10569888
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May 4, 2009 7:14am
gladstone

Dunne: Government’s NZAID moves concerning
UnitedFuture leader Peter Dunne today said he was disappointed that NZAID was being reabsorbed back into the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, and that he hoped that the country’s aid efforts did not become politically driven.
“While UnitedFuture supports the focus on the Pacific announced today, there are some very real concerns about what is happening here – not least being the lack of public debate and consultation in coming to these decisions,” Mr Dunne said.
“It’s an unwise and unhealthy way to come to policy positions on issues as significant of New Zealand’s aid contribution without any substantive consultation with the sector that does the work, and that simply hasn’t happened here,” he said.
Mr Dunne said he was also disappointed that the Government has not committed to New Zealand’s aid contribution being 0.7 percent of gross national income (GNI) by 2015.
“New Zealand and New Zealanders have a long standing sense of our global obligations and supporting those less fortunate. That is not as well reflected in today’s Government announcement as it should be,” he said.
ENDS
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May 4, 2009 7:30am
Tuija

I think if God her self were to rearrange cloud formations to spell
“Global warming is real the end is nigh, do something about it”

the response from kiwiblog would be “Fucking god, bloody communist”
or I bet that must be Robinsod
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May 4, 2009 7:47am
RainbowGlobalWarming

So you are denying the science pinko?
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May 4, 2009 8:22am
village idiot

David – If I have to hand over my Gladstone persona, does that mean I have to do the same with my village idiot, murray, patrick starr and rainbowglobalwarming personas as well. That’s harsh!
d4j – newspaper draped over your tomatoes would have saved them from the frost.
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May 4, 2009 10:46am
RainbowGlobalWarming

‘Smoko’ time at the gummint departments and the pinko bludgers emerge, squinting their weepy piggie eyes and looking for a public trough to feed from, rather apprehensively in case there is a sneeze induced ‘putting to sleep’.
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May 4, 2009 10:51am
Murray

phool are you claiming that a political party is paying me to comment here?

Yes you dreranged moron, I have dyslexia. I’m also left handed, theres are characteristics not character flaws. Unlike the deliberate consumption of illegal drugs which is a choice. As is choosing to collect a benefit rather that get off your ass and work.

village idiot as one of the few people here who does nothing to hide my identity please fuck off and don’t drang me down your personal rabbit hole.
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May 4, 2009 12:00pm
Ryan Sproull

Murray, the phrase you’re looking for is: “Yes, Philu, I’m dyslexic. What’s your excuse?”
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May 4, 2009 12:13pm
Murray

I have expressed it several times actually.

And I’m still able to communicate better than him.
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May 4, 2009 12:18pm
Redbaiter

I’m with Simo. For this act of treason, Morgan can fuck himself from now on.
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May 4, 2009 12:20pm

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