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Craig Ranapia

dad4justice wrote:

Anton the lawyer said he could smell the death in the changing rooms .

No, d4j, Anton the Stupid Cock said something even more stupid.

Anton Oliver reckoned the All Blacks’ dressing room had the same stench of death as a World War 1 battlefield. The veteran hooker has developed a passion for New Zealand’s war history and read The Massacre at Passchendaele and All Quiet on the Western Front during the past few weeks in France.

The images from those two books were an apt description for how the All Blacks felt as they sat, devastated, in their dressing room, Oliver said.

“The feeling in the shed is like no-man’s land as it’s described in those two books. There’s a sort of desolate decay and the smell of death.

“That’s what it feels like to us. It feels like no-man’s land and it’s not a nice place to be.”

Oliver, who has now lost at two world cups, anticipated the sense of anger, loss and disappointment for many New Zealand rugby fans.

“So come into no-man’s land with us,” Oliver said. “We can make a cup of tea together because it’s a difficult time.”

WTF?
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October 8, 2007 6:09am
Craig Ranapia

dad4justice wrote:

Anton the lawyer said he could smell the death in the changing rooms .

No, d4j, Anton the Stupid Cock said something even more cretinous and vulgar, considering the timing of this stupid blurt (Source: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/4229295a6009.html):

Anton Oliver reckoned the All Blacks’ dressing room had the same stench of death as a World War 1 battlefield. The veteran hooker has developed a passion for New Zealand’s war history and read The Massacre at Passchendaele and All Quiet on the Western Front during the past few weeks in France.

The images from those two books were an apt description for how the All Blacks felt as they sat, devastated, in their dressing room, Oliver said.

“The feeling in the shed is like no-man’s land as it’s described in those two books. There’s a sort of desolate decay and the smell of death.

“That’s what it feels like to us. It feels like no-man’s land and it’s not a nice place to be.”

Oliver, who has now lost at two world cups, anticipated the sense of anger, loss and disappointment for many New Zealand rugby fans.

“So come into no-man’s land with us,” Oliver said. “We can make a cup of tea together because it’s a difficult time.”

WTF? Keep reading, Anton. You might like to progress onto books with no pictures or speech balloons one day.
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October 8, 2007 6:11am
dad4justice

I know who should be coming home in body bags Anton !!
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October 8, 2007 6:28am
sonic

FFS guys, in any sport you can lose a game to the better team on the day. No need to get all suicidal about it.
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October 8, 2007 6:37am
Inventory2

Have you already mentally prepared for Scotland’s exit sonic?
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October 8, 2007 6:46am
philu

good (historical/perspective comment from tom hunter..eh..?

(i think i’ll link to it..)

but here is why they lost..

http://whoar.co.nz/2007/rugby-as-war/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 8, 2007 6:49am
Fabt3

So let me get this right, under the reign of HC1.
DID NOT WIN TWO RUGBY WORLD CUPS.
LOST TEH AMERICAS CUP.
DID NOT WIN THE AMERICAS CUP.
NETBALL RESULTS ARE MORE NEGATIVE THAN POSITIVE.
ONLY WON ONE MAJOR CRICKET TITLE.
WON THE RUGBY LEAGUE WORLD CHAMPS ONCE.
NEVER WON AN ARL GRANDTITLE
HAD GREAT SUCCESS IN ROWING.

So on the whole under the reign of Labour as a sporting nation when it has come down to the major codes we basically live and breath on outside of working to pay large amounts of taxes that return naf all to the taxpayer we really are champions of bugger all.

Our leader is a harbinger of doom, perhaps che colud be the next hit at Hollywood for the movie “The Cooler part Deux”
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October 8, 2007 6:50am
dad4justice

How appropriate a has been hooker lawyer spurts such shit that slanders our WW1 soldiers . My grand dad fought in that war Anton !!!
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October 8, 2007 6:50am
Fabt3

As I was saying to some of the guys last week, statistically we were due to lose to France.
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October 8, 2007 6:51am
dad4justice

You f##kwit
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October 8, 2007 6:51am
Brian Smaller

When I hear people moaning on about all the people who are hand wringing and trying to find reasons why we lost, I get pissed off. We do an autopsy on the game and the result because we are passionate rugby supporters. These WC games are worth double points for world rankings so we will slip a few places but I still say “Go the ABs” Still the best rugby team in the world, even if we lose a few world cup games. Rugby has been around since the mid 19th C, the WC only 20 years.
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October 8, 2007 6:58am
Pascal

France played a better game from the start. Ten minutes into it you could see they were clicking as a team and even though we had the points on the board we were just not moving as a unit. They were.

Phil makes a good point about rotations and so on and how this would affect the team. I can see the point, but I can also see that having a pool of 30 players all knowing each other reasonably well seems better than having a pool of 15 players that know each other exceptionally well. With the 30 you can afford to lose two or three or four and still manage a good game. With the 15? Lose three to injury and your game is shot.

It’s about insurance, and seems sensible to me. Nah, in the simplest form – we were out played on the day. It’s sad. It’s unfortunate. But hey, at least it wasn’t the Australians? 😉
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October 8, 2007 6:59am
Pascal

Craig: No, d4j, Anton the Stupid Cock said something even more cretinous and vulgar

Okay, I must be an insensitive prick then. Reading that piece on Stuff I get the following impression:

1. Anton had read a book about World War I.
2. After defeat, the emotions he was feeling reminded him of what the book had described.
3. He mentioned this.

What is so horrible about explaining how you feel, and likening it to something else? How is that slandering the brave soldiers of World War I?

Bloody hell, the man felt a certain way when he read the book. He imagined or understood a mood described in the pages. And the mood in the dressing room reminded him of that. So he said so.

No harm. No foul. It seems a bit too PC and sooky la-la to get this type of reaction to it.
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October 8, 2007 7:03am
dad4justice

This loss is priceless, as jockstrap Hobbs – like the captain – formers CC boys ( cads or zebra’s) has announced the NZRU is going to launch an inquiry into the loss to France , great , more money for the lawyermen and nutbar psychologists .

I think it is pretty obvious that the best team WON on the day and “rugby was the winner “……oh well lets be gay about it and accept it on the bottom .
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October 8, 2007 7:07am
dad4justice

Give it a boot Robbie , again a CC boy .
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October 8, 2007 7:11am
Lesley

Some comments from the province of HAWKE’S BAY – YEEEHHAAAAA.
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October 8, 2007 7:33am
clintheine

The black widow strikes again. 🙁 Our bar in London erupted when Clarks mug was on the big screen… I knew we were in for a torrid evening.
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October 8, 2007 7:37am
Lesley

Some comments from the province of HAWKE’S BAY – YEEEHAAAA.
But seriously – the breakfast barby was a bit quiet yesterday.

Several things keep going round in my head

1. those pictures of the ‘boys’ living it us in Marsailles aren’t sitting quite right, right now. Maybe we shouldn’t treat them like superstars until they are. You know, no hair products until you win the world cup.

2. Where is the imperative to win. Graeme Henry was going to leave anyway, so were half the team. I know it’s a long shot but it still smells of “thanks for the money, I’m gone”.

3. What could the pacific have achieved if one tenth of the money that have gone into the AB’s (All Bullshitters as me Ma now calls them) had gone to Fiji, Tonga and Samoa.

4. Why the frig didn’t we get the ball out FAST; we didn’t have to wait for the French to be ready you know.

5. See point 4.

6. We had wingers…see point 4.

Fark!!!

7. Maybe, just maybe the glory boys need to spend more time in the provinces – Go the Mighty Bay!!

P.S. Who was that stupid reporter on Breakfast this morning that called the Magpies a bunch of no names. I know for a fact that every single player a) has name and b) that people in HB know who they are.

My 2c worth.

Fark!
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October 8, 2007 7:42am
krazykiwi

JesusCrux :

Andrew, Jeff – if you’re into gayass rugby so much go have yourselves some [deleted by DPF]

[DPF: And that’s a one month ban – you actually broke the law with that one]

Good job DPF – thanks!
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October 8, 2007 7:46am
Lesley

More thoughts…sorry they are coming slowly this morning… grief does that.

8. Who WAS THAT REF. It was a forward pass.

9. Why was SHE there. SHE hates rugby.
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October 8, 2007 7:53am
philu

lesley..you are ‘flailing’..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 8, 2007 8:05am
Lesley

Phil; you may be right, but if I’m ‘flailing’ what they hell were THEY doing.
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October 8, 2007 8:09am
krazykiwi

9. Why was SHE there. SHE hates rugby.

It wasn’t rugby. It was a phot op. And not a good one as it turns out.
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October 8, 2007 8:12am
Craig Ranapia

What is so horrible about explaining how you feel, and likening it to something else? How is that slandering the brave soldiers of World War I?

You can’t defame the dead, Pascal, but the living can actually not be total dropkicks. If I have to explain the difference between losing a football game and the slaughter at Passchendaele, you’re never going to get it. You know, just as no matter how much I despise Helen Clark, equating her to Hitler or Stalin is not only grotesquely over the top but trivialises the untold suffering and misery those two men caused.

Also pretty tasteless considering the timing, don’t you think?
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October 8, 2007 8:21am
dad4justice

Bad luck sonic as the argy -bargy boys from downunder beat the haggis munchers .
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October 8, 2007 8:43am
gd

At least for we on the Right some good may come of this It will cost the Socialists at least 4 or 5 point in the next polls and possibly lead to a steady decline in their ratings and ultimately feat in 08. A souring in the public mood always goes against the incumbent
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October 8, 2007 8:54am
Reg

Lesley Asks:
9. Why was SHE there. SHE hates rugby.

Lesley we are witnessing a new phenomenon, known as the “Curse of Clark”
This sensational new scourge appeared for the first time in Valencia and has reoccurred in Cardiff.
It manifests itself when Helen arrives at major sporting events involving a NZ team for the purpose of milking their glory for ploitical purposes.
It invariable means that the NZ team proceeds to lose to an inferior opponent and the NZ public have to sustain the indignity of Trevor (out for a duck) Mallard telling them it was only a game.
Their are 2 ways of combating this spectre of gloom:
1. Insist that Helen Clark stays at least 1000Km away from any major sporting fixture involving a national team.
2. Proceed immediately with a vote of no confidence on the basis that Clark continuance in power is seriously damaging our national interests.
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October 8, 2007 8:55am
dad4justice

A vote of NO CONFIDENCE , man I do like that idea .

The party is over Helen !!
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October 8, 2007 9:05am
Inventory2

Aha – got it. Helen must now turn up to watch the Select Committee deliberate over changes to the EFB – then Labour will lose! “Kill the Bill” I say, “Kill the Bill”!!
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October 8, 2007 9:09am
Lesley

Curse of Clark huh? So she actually has the effect on NZ sporting teams that she is trying to inflict on the rest of us. At least she’s consistent.
“No one is allowed to win; we are not losers.” How very PC. It hasn’t permeated all of society. I am pleased to announce that Child #3 came home a winner from a regional competition. It was a team sport and apparently half the team didn’t pull their weight AND WERE TOLD SO IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS. As I said, they still won 🙂
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October 8, 2007 9:32am
Owen McShane

I would like to explain why we lost and what we must do for the next cup to ensure we do not loose again.

It has nothing to do with refs and coaches.
It has to do with the science of perception and being “in form” and “in the zone”. The French were very smart and took a scientific approach to this game.

I knew what was happening from about ten minutes into the game when I was watching the match “out of the corner of my eye” which is how players actually “see” what is going on. Out of the corner of my eye I kept on thinking the French were the All Blacks and had to mentally switch the teams round. It was hard to “instinctively” read the game when the All Blacks were not in black.

Sports science tells us that top athletes in any sport need to be “in form” or “in the zone” if they are to achieve their best. Being in form or in the zone means your decisions are instinctive and do not demand conscious or analytical thought. If someone is hurling a cricket ball at you you do not have time to think about it and when batsmen are “in the zone” they feel as though they are watching someone else play the shots.
The All Blacks are the only team named after the colour they were and research shows that colour cues are critical in our perceptions of events.
So when the All Black backs tried to get into the zone they found there were no All Blacks playing round them – only a bunch from the Gary Glitter band.
Every pass would have need some thought about who the hell was standing their rather than an instinctive response.
That is why every back played “on his own” – his instincts was telling him he was alone on the park.

We should wonder why the French decided to darken their uniform and then demand the All Blacks wear silver.
If we want to be in form and in the zone at the next world cup we need to ensure that every team recognises the right of the All Blacks to were Black.

Otherwise the All Blacks will look like the Gary Glitter Bank and the players will never get “in the zone”.
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October 8, 2007 9:41am
Tauhei Notts

I was sad, devastated and angry four, eight, twelve and sixteen years ago.
This year I took out insurance.
I put $250 on The Rest of the World at $2.80.
My extreme sadness was tempered by my $700 collect when the TAB opened at 12.00 Sunday.
Blood money, but I will damned well keep it.
As an aside, would a Greek philospher spell this thread,
“Phuck”?
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October 8, 2007 9:42am
Pascal

Craig: If I have to explain the difference between losing a football game and the slaughter at Passchendaele, you’re never going to get it.

I can see the difference, but I don’t read Oliver’s comments as making that comparison. It read to me as if he was looking at the mood and that it reminded him of the mood described / feeling the book evoked within him.

I agree, comparing Helen Clark to Stalin or Hitler feels as if it trivializes the suffering they caused. However, comparing Helen Clark’s policies to aspects of Hitler’s policies (As an example, look at the handling of propoganda) does not carry that self-same connotation.

To my mind at least, and these comments from Anton Oliver seems to have the same distinction.
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October 8, 2007 9:43am
Reg

Lesley:great news about Child #3 ,it is now extremely important that you take all precautions to keep your offspring away from Helen Clark or any images or photographs etc.
Failure to heed this advice could lead to their swift descent into the domain of mediocrity.
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October 8, 2007 9:46am
Owen McShane

Sorry, I sent the unproofed version. This is the real one.
I would like to explain why we lost and what we must do for the next cup to ensure we do not loose again.

This is not making excuses – it is applying science.

It has to do with the science of perception and being “in form” and “in the zone”. The French were very smart and took a scientific approach to this game and outsmarted us because we don’t tend to think like this.

I knew what was happening from about ten minutes into the game when I was watching the match “out of the corner of my eye” which is how players actually “see” what is going on. Out of the corner of my eye I kept on thinking the French were the All Blacks and had to mentally switch the teams round. It was hard to “instinctively” read the game when the All Blacks were not in black and looked more like the Gary Glitter Band.

Sports science tells us that top athletes in any sport need to be “in form” or “in the zone” if they are to achieve their best. “Being in form “or

“in the zone” means your decisions are instinctive and do not demand conscious or analytical thought. If someone is hurling a cricket ball at you you do not have time to think about it, and when batsmen are “in the zone” they feel as though they are watching someone else play the shots.

The All Blacks are the only team named after the colour they wear and research shows that colour cues are critical in our perceptions of events. (Have you heard of the famous “black gorilla” experiment were whole groups of people fail to see a person in a gorilla suit dancing round in the middle of a white clad basket ball team because they have been told to count the passes between the white players?)

So when the All Black backs tried to get “into the zone” they found there were no All Blacks playing round them – only a bunch from the Gary Glitter Band.
Every pass would have needed some thought about who the hell was standing there – rather than an instinctive response.
That is why every back played “on his own” – his instincts were telling him he was alone on the park.

They looked as though they were not used to playing together because they were playing with strangers in fancy dress.

We never say the back line play “in the zone” – they were wooden because they were having to think before every move.

We should wonder why the French decided to darken their uniform and then demand the All Blacks wear silver.

If we want the team to be “in form” and and the individual players to be

“in the zone” at the next World Cup we need to ensure that every team recognises the right of the All Blacks to wear Black.

Otherwise the All Blacks will look like the Gary Glitter Band and the players will never get “in the zone” and will lose again and again.
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October 8, 2007 9:51am
Craig Ranapia

Pascal:

Sorry, but it was just a crass and stupid analogy to draw at the best of times no matter how you spin it. And in the context of the 90th anniversary of Passchendaele it became painfully tasteless, IMO.

Obviously, we’re going to have to agree to disagree.
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October 8, 2007 10:03am
Pascal

No worries there Craig, agree to disagree. Different perspectives and all that, glad to have seen yours at least.
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October 8, 2007 10:05am
Nat Girl

Labour and its PC crap of “it doesn’t matter if you win or lose” has been around for 8 years now. Some of our current AB’s went through the school system with this mantra. Then to add insult to indoctrination H1 watches the game to make sure her “everyone gets a certificate” worked.

News flash for Helen – WINNING DOES MATTER – as you will find out in 2008 when YOU LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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October 8, 2007 11:45am
Lesley

Thanks Reg. Here’s something to make you smile. I took the offspring to a political gathering (of no fixed denomination). I told them afterwards that this was to make sure that they knew that politicians were approachable and only human. To which they replied “We are not sure if Helen is human”. Warmed the cockles of me ‘eart 🙂
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October 8, 2007 12:32pm
Castafiore

“The Curse of Clark”
This phenomena is very scary and it presents itself in two forms.
1/ It is unleashed with laser precision directly at individuals who dare to disagree and there are a long list of victims including Doone etc and it would appear as if Mike Moore knew something of this as did Taito Field

2/The other type which is equally lethal is a presence based curse where her very persona caused strong irrational movement linked with overwhelming nausea such as World Cup matches and Yachting Regattas.

Rumour has it that Goff is suffering from the first complaint and the Cabinet is suffering from the second.
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October 8, 2007 12:57pm
ManukauMum

Wow: largest number of posts for ages & its not even a political topic!
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eagles/getoverit.html
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October 8, 2007 1:12pm
Lee C

Castafiore – I’m sure there are those who would insist that, had Clark not been there, the ABs would have lost 1000 -nil!

you know who they are…
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October 8, 2007 1:16pm
Frank.

Castafiore: I am sure there is a Maori word that aptly describes the situation you are referring to. Something like putting the Makuta on someone or something? Like a Hex or – a Jinx? Someone will fill me in?
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October 8, 2007 2:51pm
john

PS could one of the bright posters advise the improvments in the various ab CHOKERS golf handicaps under the school teacher henrys reign. Hey these chokers get paid mega bucks , ,I DONT CHOKE, doing my sport,maybe because i pay to do it , $100 a weekend , I DONT FUCK AROUND AND CHOKE ,I dont get paid to swan around, swimming golfing boosing and being pouncies, Tough, my dogs could piss on their collective legs
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October 8, 2007 3:52pm
dad4justice

I take it you have burnt you’re dan the man jocks then John ?
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October 8, 2007 3:55pm
john

Dad 4 Justice ,im a jockey man i have balls (sorry to the ladies,but its true)i have sinned ,sorry DF
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October 8, 2007 4:02pm
unaha-closp

Need to scrap the super 14 and start a club competition like that in Europe. Those Euros have the benefit of playing the best players in the world, week in and week out. Whereas we only get to play Aussies and SthAfricans whoa re starting their careers. The best performing teams in the comp are built around 30 y.o.+ leaders, players we reject.
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October 8, 2007 6:28pm
Lita

Its probably wrong of me to be happy about anything that makes you swear in the title, but um, I like it.
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October 8, 2007 7:23pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Just why is it that D4J posts under various names? He’s been caught out as “John” before. And he’s been caught out today commenting on his own blog as a “visitor”.

Intriguing.
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October 8, 2007 9:38pm
hinamanu

D4J is obviously a lonely bi polar seeking attention

just ignore him people until he peaks and goes away

Have you noticed his content is never on the political issues

he ducks and dives around everything of substance and as a result we have lengthy conversations on him

Should not be people.
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October 8, 2007 9:44pm
dad4justice

Really girls – goodnight you sad cretins. Get a f##king life you two drop kicks as you are both pathetic !!!
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October 8, 2007 9:50pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

It’s ok, D4J, just take a deep breath. We’re just trying to understand your multiple-personality complex.
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October 8, 2007 9:52pm
Pascal

D4J just does not seem to understand punctuation and how his rather unique style gives him away every single time. D4J, research ASCII 0x2C. Note that in correct English there is no space before it’s use. You put a space before it on ALL of your multiple personalities.
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October 8, 2007 9:56pm
Robert Owen

Really girls – goodnight you sad cretins. Get a f##king life you two drop kicks as you are both pathetic !!!

drop kicks are what we are very much missing in this country
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October 8, 2007 10:01pm
nih

It really is quite a treat to come across a tourettes sufferer who uses political forums as a vehicle for their outbursts.

At least, I hope it’s tourettes. Because the other option was psycho axe murderer.
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October 8, 2007 10:03pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Still, we should acknowledge one thing: D4J’s posting in the right thread – what with his “f###” fetish (a welcome change from “utopian” and “Liabour lickspittle”).
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October 8, 2007 10:06pm
john

d4j is not (me) believe me, J
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October 9, 2007 3:47am
Pascal

nih: At least, I hope it’s tourettes. Because the other option was psycho axe murderer.

Well, so long as he has a Bud Light it will be okay. Won’t it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aO3TO5L0bM

(No, because it’s a shitty beer)
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October 9, 2007 6:34am
natural party of govt

“The All Blacks had 72 per cent of territory, 62 per cent of possession…..The most lopsided statistic against New Zealand was the penalty and free kick count dished out by English referee Wayne Barnes.

That was 9-2 to France, a statistic no amount of All Blacks’ attacking play could overcome.”

LOL, bet that is a first in the history of the game.

Maybe we should stop pretending its a world cup and see it as an exhibition show case to help bolster popularity in countries where it is the 2nd or 3rd winter sport.
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