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August 29, 2007 6:47pm by David Farrar

The wonders of genetic modification

A picture is worth 1,000 words thanks to Stuff.

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jaz.morris

Perhaps even the photoshop wizards that touch-up Helen’s teeth every three years have defected from Labour too!
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August 29, 2007 6:50pm
roger nome

Wonderful DPF. Maybe you can retrieve the young Nat’s picture of Helen clark as a “Lesbian Darth Vader” for us as well? All class you Gnats hey?
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August 29, 2007 6:55pm
timbw

Roger – that picture is from Stuff, not David. Just follow the link David gave.
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August 29, 2007 7:03pm
Tina

Don’t be too quick to dismiss this as photoshop jaz.
The cranio-facial symmetry is uncanny…I’m thinking common genes.

I know, one is the reason we needed Douglas and the other is Mulders.
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August 29, 2007 7:07pm
jaz.morris

To be fair, Helen has managed the economy a little better (not that she’s perfect).
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August 29, 2007 7:11pm
Tane

Funny, I thought John Key was the one who’d expressed admiration for Muldoon. But hey, if Davey’s got a photoshopped image of Helen and Rob then who am I to argue?
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August 29, 2007 7:16pm
peter mck

Slightly off topic again – but in the Herald Poll yet again Labour are spamming votes in favour of Clark in the preferred PM poll they are undertaking – over 400 votes have been lodged in favour of John Key in the past hour.

Is this a trick Muldoon would have done if a poll went against him?

This is just another display from a desperate and pathetic Labour Party.
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August 29, 2007 7:29pm
David Farrar

Roger and Tane both miss the point that Fairfax/Stuff generated the photo, not me. But hey anything which makes them happy.
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August 29, 2007 7:36pm
helmet

To be fair, it’s what you expect from morons like Roger and Tane. Just keep up the good work guys!
They prove how stupid some of these lefties are better than anyone else ever could.
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August 29, 2007 8:06pm
micheal_warren

Looks like helen is getting her staff to manipulate the online nz herald poll. This poll asked about the perferred prime minister. This afternoon John Key was miles ahead of Clark but i have just checked and Clark now has 59% compared to 34 for key.
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August 29, 2007 8:08pm
side show bob

Don’t you just LOVE it. Comparing Dear Leader with piggy must be the ultimate insult one can hurl at the Liarbour masses. Long may it continue!!!!!!!!
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August 29, 2007 8:09pm
Dead Duck Dux

Yeah, Helen’s recent performance is so appalling, so egregious, so wicked she’s reached the nadir set by a former National Party leader.
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August 29, 2007 8:17pm
Tina

Fair comment Duck.
So you’ll be pleased our reincarnated Mulders is about to consigned to history.
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August 29, 2007 8:22pm
Inventory2

Peter McK was right! Total votes on the Herald poll (which is now back on their front page) total 11,926.

When I last posted on this (8.44am this morning) the poll had been relegated from the front page to the polls history section – here’s what the results were then:

“Herald “unscientific” (their words) PPM Poll update:

Key: 3492 votes (60%)
Clark: 1611 votes (28%)

Total votes @ 8.40am: 5773”

Since then, another 6153 votes cast – more than all day yesterday, when the poll was “news” – in that time, Clark’s total went from 1611 to 7002 (+5391), and Key’s total went from 3492 to 4124 (+632). Obviously, the “damage limitation” meeting that roger nome was at all day finished, and the poll-rigging began. Do these socialists have no scruples? It’s so friggin’ obvious that someone is pulling a swifty – you wouldn’t think they’d be so brazen about it. I guess that desperate times call for desperate measures.
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August 29, 2007 8:22pm
burt

roger nome

Is there no limits to what you will try and defend Labour for ?

Do you get off on defending the indefensible ?

Typical of you to blams DPF for this, I guess it’s probably a result of fighting back the tears that welled up in your eyes at people laughing at dear leader. Now that even the MSM have finally got the guts to talk honestly about her corrupt antics and power hungry antics. She’ll be gone by lunch time come the election – that is if she lasts that long.
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August 29, 2007 8:24pm
Robinson

I’ve gotta say DPF that pic’s the best argument you’ve run for days (even if you did pinch it from somewhere else). I’m still waiting for an answer to my question about your directly contradictory comments on the “ERB”. Hello? David? Hello?

[DPF: Robinson – I’ll cut you some slack as you are new here. I’m not sure what you do with your day, but I am currently working 80 hour weeks, which means it can take a long time for me to catch up with comments. So you behaving like a petulant child because I have not responded within a couple of hours just makes you look silly.

And once again you are wrong on my so called contradiction. While of course I pointed out that National’s stance on the Employment Relations Act has very significantly changed since 2001, that does not mean there will not still be considerable differences between Labour and National with industrial relations policy. 90 day probation period for one thing. No compulsory unionism for collective contracts would be another I suspect.]
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August 29, 2007 8:34pm
JC

What a pathetic photoshop. They did that stuff better back in Charle Chaplin’s day!
Or, just as likely, Stuff is showing the Clark at her worst, is still a bigger, taller and more hairy man than Muldoon ever was.

JC
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August 29, 2007 8:57pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Burt: go easy on Phillip John/Roger Nome. He’s been taking a hammering on other threads. It’s to do with his academic standards slipping.
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August 29, 2007 8:57pm
Flagging Red Dog

I think that Mike Moore has raised a serious question quite apart from his as yet unexplained “consort” touch.
Has the Labour Party got away from its roots or has National claimed some of it’s light left section.
Our party needs some new direction from someone that has got some charisma and I think Goff is the only one showing it.
Is there any fellow leftys prepared to be honest an agree with me?
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August 29, 2007 9:01pm
Tane

Davey mate, if you read my comment carefully I say “if Davey’s got a photoshopped image…”

I’d have thought you’d understand that a person can “get” an image from somewhere else… Or is your comprehension as bad as you spin has been of late?
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August 29, 2007 9:09pm
JJ

NATIONAL PISS ON THEIR OWN LEGACY. BAD SMELLS EVERYWHERE.

Hello children of the corn,

The National Party (and their loyalists on this page) are so quick to piss on their own past (because to be quite frank their own past is so embarrassing) but hey, at least compare Clark to her own actions and not that of Mr R. Muldoon (a “hardcore” unforgiving National Party leader who would be voted in to lead the party today in a second ).

Fact one: Helen Clark is a very successful Labour party leader. A rarity in modern politics in this country. Whatever inadequacies National feels about its legacy it is irrelevant and pointless to compare her to Muldoon . That leader is drenched in the aroma of the intellectually laziness of the National Party, the smug GOP of N.Z.

Fact two: Mike Moore is a simple man who should just fuck off back to the 1980’s and consider his disasters but unfortunately in the bizarre world of simple right wing economic negotiations he’ll probably hold a cushy “get nowhere, do nothing” bureaucrats job forever…..and he knows that.

Fact three: Mike Moore was way out of his depth as a leader and thankfully for the health of the modern Labour party was kicked out of the pool before he drowned everybody else.

Fact four: Everyone should be asking John Key serious questions.To be leader of this great nation you should expect and welcome a high degree of examination. Surely the legacy of National party walflers like Muldoon, Brash, and Shipley means we have every right to suspect the motives of any leader put forward by that very fat and slow caucus.
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August 29, 2007 9:12pm
jaz.morris

Well Goff does seem a capable alternative for leader. But I’d rather have Key 🙂
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August 29, 2007 9:33pm
philu

david..

are you related to muldoon..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 29, 2007 9:54pm
krazykiwi

philu – good. that’s pretty good 🙂
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August 29, 2007 10:18pm
burt

Nome, Tane, lefty apologists et al

The issue is not that David has posted the picture on his blog, nor that other defenders of democracy and good governance have decided to post the picture. The issue is why the picture was made in the first place, this is not DPF’s fault and to denigrate him simply shows up how partisan you are in your defence of Muldoon and/or Clark.
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August 29, 2007 10:47pm
pdq

I had the misfortune of copping an eyeload of Helen at the airport a few days ago, and she really did look like she had been hoovered. Consorted or not, she looked like yesterday’s news. Great comparision though.
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August 29, 2007 11:08pm
Tane

No, I’m just pointing out that Farrar hasn’t made an argument, he’s just posted a funny picture of helen clark. And if you’re going to start comparing political leaders to Muldoon, why not start with the one who’s actually come out and said he’s an admirer, John Key?
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August 29, 2007 11:11pm
pdq

Fact five: its past your bed time JJ … and don’t wet it again.
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August 29, 2007 11:11pm
pdq

Tane, should DPF not post whatever he wants on his own blog. It need not be topics in need of debate. He can do whatever the hell he wants. You don’t get to set the agenda.
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August 29, 2007 11:15pm
The Perfect Man

Helen says “naughty DPF needs a good spank…oops, can’t do that now Tane. Shit, that backfired, ok lets muzzle him…shit even that isn’t going to fire caus of all the public pissing on my bill. Damn and double damn…I need my consortant…err…consultant”
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August 29, 2007 11:47pm
JJ

1. Fact five: its past your bed time JJ … and don’t wet it again.

Fact five: am I making you wet buddy, disgusting, how about some moderation?? …stop smoking p and go to bed if you haven’t fucking already sold it. Seriously you’ve got to be mentally tough to handle drugs.

But you’re right buddy these days personally I don’t sleep till late because I’m to interested in checking up on the made up crap that comes across from some of you guys. It’s amazing and scary the bullshit that is passing for political commentary at the moment.

And come on it’s hard to swell over with tears when you hear the light examination of John Keys past just because it might hurt his feelings when National have been the masters of “being a cunt, cuntdom” character assassination for years.

Meek Mousish Rowling – worked although robbed by FPP
Fat Commie Lange – failed, assassinated himself
Frigid Feminist Bitch Clark – failed, dirtier attempts almost certainly in the pipeline.

Moyles to Benson Pope it’s just slime. What a gift to your children.

Where’s the policy from the National Party? Why can’t we talk politics?
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August 29, 2007 11:48pm
pdq

“stop smoking p and go to bed if you haven’t fucking already sold it. Seriously you’ve got to be mentally tough to handle drugs.”

I don’t do drugs of any sort. I’m curious about the second sentence above though, do you speak from experience?
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August 30, 2007 12:02am
pdq

“being a cunt, cuntdom”

Yes, I suspect that you do have experience of these drugs you speak of.

That really is not a nice turn of phrase.
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August 30, 2007 12:05am
JJ

Nice turn of phrase, its not supposed to be a nice turn of phrase.Please dude,

1) We have got to stop censoring words, that ‘s very fucking stupid. Even redbaiter would agree surely. Cunt has mutiple meanings now, educate yourself.

2) We’ve got to keep evolving the language you ol cunt. Censorship is bad.

3) Everyone takes drugs, nicotine junkies, caffeine addicts, the sly aspirin user but old timer feel free to let your teeth rot and colds kill you if you really want to go straight.
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August 30, 2007 12:28am
Tane

Sorry to interrupt guys, but after a bit of photoshopping I’ve discovered Stuff.co.nz are a pack of amateurs. Check out a far more convincing Johnny boy spliced with Rob Muldoon over at The Standard – http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=85
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August 30, 2007 1:09am
red neck

check out the picture of clark on todays xtra/bubble, shit shes hidious,
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August 30, 2007 4:43am
philu

heh-heh…!..tane is correct..

the key/muldoon match is much closer/funnier..

and as tane noted..

’tis indeed scary how the lines on their foreheads..are a perfect match..

and..of course..for those wondering..?..there are keys’ glowing words of admiration for muldoon as ‘a strong leader’..

(o-err….eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 30, 2007 6:25am
Robinson

DPF: Thanks bro – you shouldn’t work so hard! I hope you’re getting at least time and a half after forty hours. Perhaps you should join the union and go for some work/life balance.

Just outta interest what do you do in those 80 hours?

[DPF: With local body elections looming, the polling side of things is non stop at the moment. On top of my main line of work, I also have a significant amount of public policy work for InternetNZ, work as a Director of .NZ Registry Services, my very temporary assisting National Party HQ as they are between staff, three articles (non political) for newspapers, campaigning against the Electoral Finance Bill, dealing with 200+ e-mails a day and oh yeah the blog. I am going to be very very happy when my hours reduce]
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August 30, 2007 7:04am
Robinson

Hmm, interesting. DPF, you do lead a busy busy life! If it’s not too rude to ask further, what exactly does your temporary assisting at National Party HQ actually involve?

[DPF: I can’t answer that sorry, but it is not primarily political, mainly IT focused.]
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August 30, 2007 9:30am
slightlyrighty

Robert Muldoon was a strong leader, much in the way that Helen Clark is a strong leader.

Robert Muldoon, in being a strong leader, was able to operate in such a way that his failings in regard to economic policy were not fully realised until after he left office.

The parellels between the National Government of that day and the current labour government are striking. Labour has a leader who is relying on the strength of her leadership while policy comes second. The social engineering and social justice policies are not having a desired effect. Child and infant mortality is up. The economy is starting to turn. Those in poverty are not being assisted out of it.

Look at how she swooped when the Muliaga family suffered it’s tradgedy.

But Muldoon and Clark are driven by Ideologies, albiet different ones. Both Muldoon and Clark seem to be wanting to maintain the reigns of power at any cost.

We Know how far Muldoon went. How far will Clark go? Is the EFB an indicator of this?
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August 30, 2007 9:44am
JJ

“Both Muldoon and Clark seem to be wanting to maintain the reigns of power at any cost.”

That’s why Clark went for the very populist idea of tax cuts right, hey and what a vote winner the anti smacking law was and the civil union power play probably won them the last election.. duh! C’mon pal your commentary is lazy.Leadership is a skill and amazingly a “must have” political prerequisite to being prime minister, who would have thought.

“The social engineering and social justice policies are not having a desired effect.”

Social engineering, why did they ever start teaching that course at university? Apparently the government want more gay people by 2050.

Mate, I think you’ll find our salaries are “waaaaaaaaaay” to low. It’s called financial engineering and it’s sucked a lot of energy out of this country. That’s the engine that needs immediate tweeking.
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August 30, 2007 10:44am
llew

but it is not primarily political, mainly IT focused

Bwaha! Anything to do with emails?

Heh. COuldn’t resist.
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August 30, 2007 10:47am
cubit9f

Robinson said

“Hmm, interesting. DPF, you do lead a busy busy life! If it’s not too rude to ask further, what exactly does your temporary assisting at National Party HQ actually involve?”

Well Robinson what do you do at Labour?
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August 30, 2007 11:12am
Robinson

Damn, cubit9f! you busted me yeah, sure I work for Labour – I’m actually the Prime Minister. Now if you’ll excuse me I have to go work on stripping the liberties from god-fearing small-business people, reading Mao and posting some “zingers” on Trevor Loudon’s blog (don’t worry I won’t touch your dole payments)…
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August 30, 2007 12:04pm
Lee C

Tane, Dude, you really need to get laid.
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August 30, 2007 6:57pm
Lee C

I like JJ though, he has this cool bi-polar thing going on, now tha’s a swinging voter if ever there was one!
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August 30, 2007 7:01pm
Lee C

Nome is the sensitive type, in ten years time he’ll be on the right wing of the National Party, I’ll wager.
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August 30, 2007 7:03pm
Lee C

Kat, I’ll be back at 7.00. Put the kettle on.
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August 30, 2007 7:03pm
slightlyrighty

JJ Says:

August 30th, 2007 at 10:44 am
“Both Muldoon and Clark seem to be wanting to maintain the reigns of power at any cost.”

That’s why Clark went for the very populist idea of tax cuts right, hey and what a vote winner the anti smacking law was and the civil union power play probably won them the last election.. duh! C’mon pal your commentary is lazy.Leadership is a skill and amazingly a “must have” political prerequisite to being prime minister, who would have thought.

“The social engineering and social justice policies are not having a desired effect.”

Social engineering, why did they ever start teaching that course at university? Apparently the government want more gay people by 2050.

JJ.

Helen Clark gave us Interest free student loans, middle class welfare in WFF, and now wants to suppress dissent by the travesty of a bill called the EFB. Let’s not forget the theft of $800,000 of our money to get herself re-elected, and the subsequent retrospective legislation to cover this. If this is not power at all costs, what else is?

After 8 years in office, people are still struggling. The poor are still poor. The most vulnerable are still vulnerable, and yet Helen Clark would not even acknowledge they exist! (Until one of them dies when the power is shut off)

The middle class, if they have a house are struggling to keep it. If they don’t have a house, most of them can’t afford one now.

It is this emphasis on Social Policies at the expence of the practicalities of life that will be the death of this government.
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August 30, 2007 8:56pm
JJ

I like JJ though, he has this cool bi-polar thing going on”

Thank you Lee, finally someone gets me. I pick from the best of left and right. Why wouldn’t you. ..and yes, both ruling parties are pedestrian and uninspiring.. One is a conservative slow dinosaur (labour) and one is the default party of retro Pakeha with bankers running their economic policy(Nat). Being a conservative I vote conservative but would like a lot more choice.

“maintain the reigns of power AT ANY COST. (uppercase added)

This is what was said in the original post slightlyrighty . The policies you talk about from labour , while unpleasant to you and other are not policies of the power hungry but merely standard first world centre “slightly left” legislation. Nothing outrageous in a modern political sense but slow.

But I agree with you brother, the middle class is suffering. Labour haven’t delivered and the National Party failed that class throughout the nineties and look to have no better ideas now.It’s a bummer.

also If cost wasn’t an issue to Clark she would be pumping that surplus into as many “swinging voter” special interest groups as she coud find. ‘At any cost” is emotive language.
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August 31, 2007 9:49am
JJ

“It is this emphasis on Social Policies at the expence of the practicalities of life that will be the death of this government.”

Child violence, gay rights and the worlds oldest profession needed to be addressed. These are not some trends that labour invented. Brave good social policy is needed. Keep it coming. Social engineering has been practised by the church and christian governments in europe for hundreds of years and we’re still shaking off its slow social fascism. It’s logical to demand some corrections especially if you are directly impacted by those draconian conventions.
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