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imalwaysright

Here’s the Commission’s job:

“We drive climate action in Aotearoa New Zealand by providing independent, evidence-based advice to the Government of the day.”

Apart from the bullshit “drive climate action” -what does that mean?- and misnaming the country, they state that their actual job is to give independent evidence based advice. (Another strange statement since advice based on evidence has no allegiances).

Rod Carr failed. He didn’t give evidence based advice, he merely recited psalms from the Climate Bible.
Patsy Reddy will fail, she’s another passenger on the gravy train who will nod compliantly.
And Luxon will kneel at the altar and rattle his rosary beads…
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December 15, 2024 8:33am
- Handyman
  
  “Drive climate Action” is the very definition of “activist”.
  
  Why not replace the courts with the same system? We could have a “Crime Commission” independently assess evidence without the need for defence lawyers or judges. The Crime Commission set their own agenda to “drive crime action justice”.
  
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  December 15, 2024 9:40am
- Chuck Bird
  
  We need to pay experts like Zoe Hilton and Alex Epstein
  
  Is Australia building the lowest cost energy system?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXolbFCtcUo
  
  Interview: How the incoming administration can unleash American energy
  
  https://alexepstein.substack.com/p/interview-how-the-incoming-administration?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email#media-85a60605-8fdb-4208-b5b0-870f30935f8f
  
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  December 15, 2024 9:41am
- Burtland
  
  Its pretty clear Carr has set sail towards financial calamity – and now abandoned ship.
  
  whos gong to grab the tiller – the Chief Science Advisor ? nope theyre missing
  
  More Ardern carnage on the way.
  
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  December 15, 2024 9:53am
  - kowtow
    
    whos going to grab the tiller –
    
    I understand there’ll be plenty of senior naval types looking for employment soon and I suspect they’d fit nicely into the now mandatory DEI category……
    
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    December 15, 2024 11:14am
- Justitia
  
  The Climate Commission is an absurdity. It should be abolished tomorrow. Its recommendations are not based on science but politics of the Far Left variety. The idea that CO2 drives dangerous warming is a scam. The attached affidavit by three eminent US physicists, Profs Happer, Linzden and Koonin, makes that abundantly clear. The affidavit was submitted to the Netherlands Appeals Court which, taking it into account, last month overturned a lower court ruling that imposed a 45% carbon reduction requirement on Shell. The BBC and Guardian were apoplectic. Read the affidavit here:https://7utgr8bab.cc.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001lCG1sK22tZHhpgGR-ph3GWRey8drmmYNpFsVMQE7OSE5jGzYszRCH0OV53Coz-dJIKMp8vphMJxFEvoTrAiKk0JhZx6lG5ssqun7mRNuKvbffuMuzbbEjP7zBXgIu-TFYfy8mKHzjZ-yEqqeSXzU2ukClmXXTCEndLqF42i5IfqYuYb34l2Ahgo5jR6MOaokfMh27F9ShyyLNgVtl7bqRyU7MJdvxzKlIlRBL78NvG1oxHkkubxuV3J8Ps97LiLksr3OOZ9ZCFg=&c=TJdkTcgvh5G6CKmGeKAoTa768punpuIVSGQ43ApMDOkSLP1s-VaWDw==&ch=3DcP0SwOuuSt_Wtk73vGgQeEL8abpMMuVW7TLhqPnjo2i5DYrw30YA==
  
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  December 15, 2024 11:40am
Biscuit

Hey, Never Mind The Bollocks, I see you noticed that that bike rack on The Terrace you monitor had – gasp – a couple of bikes in it when you last went by.

I had a similar astonishing count here in Upper Hutt the other day…

And what happens?

An earthquake hits this a.m..

Can Greater Wellington’s infrastructure COPE with the weight of all those bikes?
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December 15, 2024 8:56am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Very observant, Biscuit. Sound Mātauranga Huttian.
  
  Will three bikes in each be a harbinger of the Big One, that’s the question. Marsden funding beckons!
  
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  December 15, 2024 9:05am
- KH
  
  Given the state of Mayor Tory’s infrastructure the G force created by two bikes cornering could cause the entire city to fall into the sea.
  
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  December 15, 2024 9:13am
- JackRabbit
  
  Bike racks with no bikes.
  
  Cycle lanes with very few cycles, most days none. And none them are the people that insisted on bike lanes being built.
  
  Banks that won’t work with fuel outlets after 2030.
  
  A power shortage increasingly caused by EVs, while we sit on one of the highest energy producing resources in the world: Rivers. And future powewr generation stopped by IWI / Greens / Labour voting snails…
  
  Virtue signalling EV drivers with no on roof solar to help ease the load on the electricity grid. I have no problem with hybrids that derive their electricity from an onboard ICE engine. But the pure EV cult that virtue signal should be putting solar on their roof.
  
  Spastic Green agendas want to kill off farming / animals / chickens / to make NZ renewable. But according to my transpower data feed, @ 08.00 hrs, 98% of our electricity was from renewable resources.
  
  This is a good reason for all govt / council / MPs to have to submit to IQ tests / practical survival tests / “Am I eating the shit I’m shoveling” tests / drug tests,
  
  The nutters are in charge of the Asylum.
  
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  December 15, 2024 9:22am
  - PurplePen
    
    “Am I eating the shit I’m shoveling” tests” .. That’s left it wide open such that I have to respond that we now have at least 1 MP that would pass that test.
    
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    December 15, 2024 9:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Don’t put it passed the greenies to park the bikes there to make it look used
  
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  December 15, 2024 9:43am
NeverMindTheBollocks

The purported Crown of Thorns, stored in the Notre Dame Cathedral, has been returned there following the post-fire restoration.

It was acquired in Constantinople in 1239 by Louis IX for 135,000 livres – nearly half of France’s annual expenditure.

At a national level, that’s got to be one of the largest scams in history. Though likely threatened by climate change.

http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewxdx7j00ro
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December 15, 2024 9:02am
NeverMindTheBollocks

The latest trend in travel: fresh air. Wellington’s time is coming!

http://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20241209-welcome-to-smog-season-how-will-air-pollution-change-where-and-when-we-travel
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December 15, 2024 9:25am
Notsofast

From Jo Bartosch behind pay wall

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/13/gender-ideology-has-been-comprehensively-beaten/

but quoted by JK Rowling today.

“Puberty blockers were developed for end-stage prostate cancer and are used to chemically castrate sex offenders. Side effects include bone density loss, impacted fertility and lowered IQ. Despite this, they were widely prescribed to children off-label.”

The lowered IQ seems to be an agreed fact see the sheep trials and Sally Baxendale’s paper on children.

Surely lowered IQ alone is a sufficient condition for a ban in any case where life is not threatened.
IE kids and prisoners.
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December 15, 2024 9:44am
Tauhei Notts

Last night I saw something on Fox News that seemed like rightwing crap.
The 2020 Trump regime had spent a fortune on materials to build the wall south of Arizona etc. The Biden swamp critters did not want that wall so the materials sat there unused since 2021. Fox reported that the Biden regime was selling the wall materials off at army surplus stores and wanted them all sold before Christmas.
I knew that such a preposterous scheme was Fox News crap. Nobody would be that stupid.
Silly boy, Tauhei Notts. I have seen that story repeated several times on other news outlets. The devious Biden regime seem to be more malicious than stupid.
Trump dodged a bullet at Butler, Pennsylvania. The world dodged a bullet when the Kackling One got rubbished early last month.
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December 15, 2024 9:47am
- AitchW
  
  Leftist politicians the world over seem to suffer an appalling lack of intelligence.
  In an MMP environment such as ours they require a base of voters who are either equally stupid, naive or simply fed a steady diet of pro left propaganda.
  How much longer before that base regains sufficient numbers to reinstall a Labour/Green/Maori government?
  How can we ensure that the average voter never forgets what Arden, Hipkins, and Robertson did the New Zealand?
  
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  December 15, 2024 9:58am
- All_on_Red
  
  Texas is buying it back for Trump
  Merry Christmas Donald
  https://texaspolitics.com/2024/12/13/texas-delivering-border-wall-to-president-trump-in-2025/
  
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  December 15, 2024 10:18am
  - artemisia
    
    Texas will benefit from an increasing taxpaying population. It’s one of the top 3 states with increasing population, unlike oh say California.
    
    Mind you, after 3 years of population decline California has finally managed an increase in 2023
    of 0.17%. Though there a suggestion out there that not all new residents are net taxpayers.
    
    The other states in the top 3 for population growth are Florida and South Carolina. Kamala not popular in any of them.
    
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    December 15, 2024 12:33pm
Prince

Friends over from Sydney remark on the lack of Christmas decorations and shop-window displays around Wgton.
So sad to be watching the city decline like this.
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December 15, 2024 9:53am
- All_on_Red
  
  In Wellington Christianity is just so last Century.
  These days Paganism is flavour of the month.
  Maui fished up Aotearoa doncha know
  https://eng.mataurangamaori.tki.org.nz/Support-materials/Te-Reo-Maori/Maori-Myths-Legends-and-Contemporary-Stories/Maui-and-the-giant-fish
  Nga Mihi
  
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  December 15, 2024 10:49am
- Spring Bank Westie
  
  Strangely the Christmas decoration pop-up shop in Willis Street closed down in October.
  
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  December 15, 2024 11:53am
Scooter

Putting aside the arguements for and against greyhound racing how can the govt criminalise killing redundant racing dogs when “Auckland City Council staff euthanised 4007 dogs in the 2023-24 financial year – an average of 11 a day. The number is three-and-a-half times higher than three years earlier.Oct 7, 2024”.

Also seemed to be overlooked is how the industry will re-home 1000’s of dogs in 20 months when 100s of all types of breeds are put down each week. So dogs of all breeds are hard to re-home yet they expect one breed and not your common family typical choice to be rehomed.

“This week, Minister of Racing Winston Peters announced the end of greyhound racing in the interests of animal welfare.
Soon after, a law to criminalise killing of redundant racing dogs was passed under urgency in Parliament.”

Why this was even brought before the govt in their first year when there’s so much more they need to do is puzzling.
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December 15, 2024 9:54am
- pdm
  
  One of Winston’s petty crusades.
  
  I saw the other day dog racing in New Zealand involves over 3,000 individual races around the country, involving 8 dogs starting in most races. So lets say if there are about 3,ooo race fit greyhounds in NZ then they each start about 10 times a year.
  
  Of that, `on track deaths’ are about 232 dogs died on the track a year in 2021 – a very low percentage I would have thought,
  
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  December 15, 2024 11:08am
  - kowtow
    
    Winston should be careful , could be hoist on his own petard ; what’s good for dog “welfare” must also by the same token be good for horses .( but we know he’d never countenance any bans there , would ‘e)
    
    The same media and ‘caring’ types who support and cheer this ban ( leading inevitably to mass dog slaughter) will be critical , when it comes in time to the killing of the dogs which won’t be “homed”.
    
    Oh and meanwhile there’s silence about the mass slaughter of unwanted babies in our “health” system.
    
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    December 15, 2024 11:31am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Kowtow – thanks for making that pertinent point. According to modern ethics, life doesn’t start when gamete and zygote combine, an unwanted baby is not a living human, so Greyhounds are much more precious!
      
      Country literally going to the dog, but would be much more prosperous if going to God.
      
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      December 15, 2024 12:33pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Is this a bit like a rugby v league is better situation. Winston is clearly enamoured with the horse industry. While he might think this decision is great for his favoured form of racing, it could very well be the lever the animal rights people use against him.
    
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    December 15, 2024 11:50am
rouppe

Recently Contact Energy announced that it had opened a new geothermal plant in taupo. It describes several projects underway.

Contact’s new geothermal power station on the outskirts of Taupō is now up and running, and capable of producing enough electricity to run the equivalent of 200,000 homes.

Fantastic! Finally some new generation.

The opening of the Tauhara power station came just a week after Contact announced it would build a new 101MW geothermal plant, Te Mihi Stage 2, as the first step in replacing its 1950s-built Wairakei geothermal plant.

AND an upgrade to more power and more resilience. Woo hoo!

Contact’s seventh geothermal power station, Te Huka 3 is in the final stages of commissioning and would generate enough renewable electricity to power 60,000 homes.

Oh my goodness! This is sounding better all the time! 60,000 homes.

In other news

Global tech giant Microsoft opens its first hyperscale data centre in New Zealand on Thursday, which is expected to give businesses and organisations access to tools designed to super-charge productivity.

We know how much power data centres consume…

Microsoft country manager Vanessa Sorenson said the New Zealand centre was the most sustainable hyperscale centre in its portfolio, with data centres in more than 60 locations around the world.

How is it so sustainable?

Microsoft paid Contact Energy $300 million in 2022 to support the development of the Te Huka Unit 3 geothermal facility, alongside a contract to buy renewable energy over the next 10 years.

Ahhh. So not going to power 60,000 homes after all…
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December 15, 2024 10:11am
- peterwn
  
  Microsoft has properly recognised that it needs to secure a supply chain for electricity for its data centre. Electric Kiwi, Paper Mills, Rod Drury (ex XERO now seems to be in the data centre game), etc seem to think that the power should just be there.
  
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  December 15, 2024 11:47am
  - rouppe
    
    Yes, and there’s nothing wrong with the deal.
    
    Except advertising it as producing enough power for 60,000 homes.
    
    Why didn’t they just say “built to supply the Microsoft data centre”.
    
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    December 15, 2024 11:52am
- rouppe
  
  Further to that, the hypercentre signed a 51.4MW 10-year geothermal PPA with Contact Energy for the Te Huka 3 power station.
  
  The power stations capacity is, you guessed it, 51.4MW.
  
  So absolutely no power for any homes. Well for 10 years anyway, but since Microsoft paid Contact $300M to build the plant, I’m not sure we’ll ever see any of the power .
  
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  December 15, 2024 11:50am
- kowtow
  
  Talking of power ,from the ODT .
  
  ‘The Kaiwera Downs wind farm development in Southland, of which stage two is under construction, was largely linked to the smelter, he said.
  
  ‘The second stage involved a $486 million investment with the first generation expected in mid-2026 and full generation expected at the end of that year from 36 turbines. It was largely about building roads and more like a civil project. but that would change next year when blades were on site.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/business/renewable-energy-progress-excites-ceo
  
  Spending half a billion , to build 36 wind turbines for “renewable” energy ……..but the article implies a huge amount of the money is on road building .
  
  How renewable is that?
  
  btw in other common sense news it looks like fossil fuel utes really are good to have ,if you want a proper job done. I believe it’s a Ford Ranger , funny how the article can’t bring itself to say that.
  
  ‘The Ranfurly Volunteer Fire Brigade has a new 4WD vehicle designed to get into places the big red engine cannot easily go.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/central-otago/4wd-able-access-tight-spots
  
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  December 15, 2024 11:52am
- John Loveridge
  
  Sorry, accidental downtick.
  
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  December 15, 2024 11:54am
Pineapple Lumps

I was first introduced by KB contributors to the economic theory that increasing monetary supply while not lifting productivity will result in inflation. Those posting noted we were going to be in for a massive run of inflation due to the Grant Robertson and Adrian Orr money printing and wasteful spending on a scale unimaginable. While many of those billions went into the Covid scam employed unemployment benefit for all, there was money thrown around like candy at a Santa parade all around the country. Some of our fellow kiwis and other parties have been made wealthy at the expense of the rest of us.

Why has the coalition government not set up an economic auditing taskforce to trace every cent and hold accountable any that have fraudulently been paid for goods and services never provided or provided at hyper inflated values?

Why has the coalition government not smashed into the over inflated public service?

It smacks of appeasement, weak leadership, and the lack of a strong vision. Labour had a vision to wreck the country and turn it into a socialist cesspit. They were quite successful. The coalition government must get a stronger united vision and set this country back on its feet. They are doing some good but just not enough, fast enough.

Smashing down the numbers in the public service gives them the opportunity to clean out large numbers of socialist, Marxists who will resist them every step of the way. Those people will never be their friends. There will be large cheers from their true friends if they get on with this. I’m not talking about staff in hospitals or schools etc. The cuts must be directed at the lump of indirect workforce employed in central ministry.

The taskforce auditing the Covid scam payments will also expose the corrupt and send signals that you can’t just throw Government money at anything you want. This should go right to the top and include the decisions of Adrian Orr and Grant Robertson.

The posters on KB who educated me about the cause of inflation knew what was about to happen. It is criminal that the RB Governor and Minister of Finance didn’t know.

Even if the taskforce can’t prosecute these wreckers and destroyers at the least they should expose the corruption and provide some recommended law changes to enable future prosecution for similar acts of economic vandalism. Holding the highest offices of financial management in the country should not absolve you from responsibility. No, those with the greatest responsibility and power should have the highest levels of scrutiny and accountability.
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December 15, 2024 10:24am
- Jethrod
  
  Unfortunately, to get a task force together it would probably take all those all those let go by the public service to run it. To trace all those twists and turns put into it by the 2 well-fed guys, would be a Herculean task, only to find it ended in Manurewa and West Auckland.
  
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  December 15, 2024 11:06am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  I had a friend telling me prior to 2017 election our government should be borrowing more to boost the economy. I was always against this but now would say by all means borrow if the investment will genuinely make us more productive.
  
  So many actions going on that are making us more unproductive:
  – making it impossible to drive cars into city centres, makes us less productive
  – destocking beef, dairy and lamb farms makes us less productive
  – oil and gas Communist dictators call, made us less viable for international investment in productivity enhancing initiatives
  – banking trees on land contributing to farm restocking but also diminishes the forestry sector, making us less productive
  – tanking the property market through envy tax on rental property owners results in the construction and infrastructure sector being in recession and makes us less productive
  – exporting educated hard working wanting to get ahead kiwis to overseas makes us less productive
  – importing 501s makes us less productive
  – smashing small industry through high inflation ie hospitality sector, makes us less productive
  – incentivising single parent households and long-term social welfare beneficiaries makes us less productive
  – increased ethical and mental health decline of society decreases our productivity
  – increased children with learning needs issues and the opportunity cost on other children’s education makes us less productive
  – doubling sick leave and adding extra public holidays makes us less productive
  – working from home in the majority of cases makes us less productive
  
  My friend is now in despair about the country and is moving to Australia. Come on coalition government get more vocal about educating the masses about productivity and what we can all do to lift this. Then start making legislative changes that support this.
  
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  December 15, 2024 11:42am
- nathie
  
  Why has the coalition government not set up an economic auditing taskforce to trace every cent and hold accountable any that have fraudulently been paid for goods and services never provided or provided at hyper inflated values?
  
  This. At the very least an audit should be done to trace the expenditure and confirm it was true value for money.
  
  And if it means employing more civil servants then it will be worth every cent.
  
  Because there will be a bonus – Chippie and motley crew of idiots will be floundering like fools trying to explain/defend. The best circus to hit town.
  
  And if Ardern and Robertson can be compelled to front up and explain then it will be worth finally getting to see their smugness wiped off their faces. They need to show contrition before they can ever be forgiven, if that, for the generational destruction they have left in their wake, to escape the mess they created.
  
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  December 15, 2024 11:48am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Agreed Nathie – even if no prosecutions, they would lose face in the court of public opinion. Watching them twist and squirm would be good. But best outcome would be creating protection for the future.
    
    Perhaps rules for economic management that if they need to be broken require 80% of parliament or some such thing to prevent unfettered power madness.
    
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    December 15, 2024 12:29pm
Scooter

The media in NZ just can’t let a little cold virus go, they just have to bring it back time and again, trying to make themselves relevent. It’s never mentioned on the news in Europe, they’ve gotten over it, moved on, maybe a few wars nearby might have shifted the importance. NZ used to punch above it’s weight but now it’s sinking rapidly into absurdity.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/explained-what-we-can-predict-about-covid-19-in-2025/
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December 15, 2024 10:38am
All_on_Red

Trump wins Defamation Suit
E Jean Carroll should look out. Poor old Stormy ended up owing Trump money and that’s how it will end for the fantasist Carroll.
‘ABC News and their top anchor George Stephanopoulos have reached a settlement with Donald Trump in his defamation suit, which will result in the news network paying the president-elect $15 million. ‘
https://www.foxnews.com/media/george-stephanopoulos-abc-apologize-trump-forced-pay-15-million-settle-defamation-suit

Elsewhere CNN is in trouble with their own Defamation problems. They defamed a guy who was rescuing people in Afghanistan and the Court has just ruled they have a case to answer. He might end up owning CNN!
https://news.yahoo.com/news/u-navy-veteran-suing-cnn-031446660.html
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December 15, 2024 10:39am
- Paulus
  
  Orr only did what his Masters and Mistress told him to, as the were his Employers.
  
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  December 15, 2024 10:46am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Paulus I assume you were replying to my post. But isn’t Orr and RBNZ fiercely and legislatively independent? And he was very happy to go around saying what he was doing was fine. If Orr is just doing what he is told then get rid of the role and save the mega-salary.
    
    Also, it should be illegal for the top position in Ministry or Government agency to extend any further than 1 year into the next government term. That would allow for a smooth transition of power, reappointment if apolitically competent and remove the mockery of the NZ taxpayer of gifting a 5 year contract just before you lose office.
    
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    December 15, 2024 11:27am
Paulus

From many recent media sources I ask why is it that Women dislike Luxon so much more than other Men.
Is it that he is self made millionaire, is bald, and has a lovely real wife, and family.
I suppose that is the answer.
Ugh !~
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December 15, 2024 10:43am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Paulus I think it is because he is trying to appeal to lefty women who will never like him and this is alienating the centre and right leaning women.
  
  Go woke, go broke sort of thing. The opposite of the Trump or Winston Peters approach to politics.
  
  His like ability to both women and men would improve if he had more backbone. That’s my opinion anyway.
  
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  December 15, 2024 11:45am
  - kowtow
    
    I suspect he’s listening / captured by whoever pulls his strings and tells him “elections are won in the centre”.
    
    That’s being on the wrong side of history .There is no centre ,it’s gone. The so called centre only sells us down the Marxists road to impoverishment and imprisonment. Time to do the right thing and bring the electorate along . The USA has shown the way and plenty more examples in the west .
    
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    December 15, 2024 11:57am
- Damocles11
  
  Women are more em-pathetic apparently, and seem to be suckers for left wing propaganda about how Luxon hates poor people and is a rich, cruel, neo-liberal super villain.
  
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  December 15, 2024 11:46am
Chuck Bird

Comments are allowed. Please comment.

Climate Minister Simon Watts explains new emissions plan | 11 December 2024 | RNZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmKo28YeBF0
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December 15, 2024 10:46am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Honestly, I can’t stand hearing about plans to meet emissions targets, achieve net zero, save the planet etc, because it’s all such a waste of money in an effort that do something that doesn’tneed to be done.
  Even our own Climate Change Commision knows that anything we do will result in an unmeasurable change in temperature – the report they produced has a graph in it (the most important bit IMO, but it barely gets mentioned) that shows the temperature change due to CO2 and methane is (from memory) in the order of 0.0005C, and that’s if you believe in the claptrap!
  The best thing our minister could do is pay close attention to what the USA is about to do and copy them.
  
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  December 15, 2024 11:57am
Jethrod

It seems fairly succinct. Though Simon’s crystal ball is a bit cloudy and can’t really see the future.
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December 15, 2024 11:10am
Cassandra

We are not alone. The UK Telegraph: Taxpayers are footing a £6 billion bill for “nonsense” research projects despite Rachel Reeves pledging a crackdown on government waste. Public cash will be spent on studies about the “literary decolonisation” of Africa, LGBT rights in China and the marketing of vegan meat products. The amount spent on such projects has soared by 25 per cent in the past four years, according to analysis by the Taxpayers’ Alliance.
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December 15, 2024 11:23am
- John Loveridge
  
  These bullshit studies will never be read by anybody but a tiny handful of peers, offer no benefit to anybody but the recipient of the grant money, and their elimination would go unnoticed. The recipients are just grifters.
  
  I guess similar could be said about a lot of government funding, but every bit helps.
  
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  December 15, 2024 12:01pm
greybeard

Well done Mitchell Santner: you showed them.
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