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CJames

NZ has become famous again in the international blog world for all the wrong reasons. Jerry Coyne has posted on the Nurse’s council’ stupidity as the latest from the asylum.
https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2024/12/13/the-latest-from-the-asylum-new-zealand-nurses-directed-to-foster-accept-and-prioritize-indigenous-culture-including-specious-ways-of-healing/
He previously eviscerated the Royal Society and Maori science.
For a self-professed progressive and staunch Democrat academic, he sure holds a lot of “reactionary rightwing” views. Maybe it is because he has common sense and is not afraid to state it.
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December 14, 2024 8:01am
- artemisia
  
  “Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.” ― Thomas Jefferson
  
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  December 14, 2024 8:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  As one commentor on Coyne’s blog wrote:
  
  Demand for culturally safe care is profoundly political, not medical/nursing at all.
  
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  December 14, 2024 8:17am
  - Swifty
    
    “Demand for culturally safe care is profoundly political, not medical/nursing at all. Advocacy for indigenous equity requires health professionals to take one side of a partisan political question. Putting this into professional standards amounts to a political test for licensure.”
    
    ‘Political test for licensure.’
    
    Yes, that’s the whole point isn’t it?
    
    Isn’t that exactly what we’re seeing right through our civil institutions right now – job ad after job ad requiring applicants to swear allegiance to this or that, demonstrate their fealty to this and that before they will even get a look in at any role. Job ads which are as much a political test as a statement of requirement of skills and experience.
    
    The Left in New Zealand are turning our public services in to a club where only the Left may apply – there will be no place in our civil service for anyone with differing views.
    
    This must be stopped.
    
    Our democracy is too important to allow our civic institutions to be so heavily dominated by one side of the political aisle – and a side who will so readily use their public positions to further their political objectives.
    
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    December 14, 2024 9:06am
    - Don Beckett
      
      That’s the main reason why so many are heading off overseas.
      
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      December 14, 2024 10:28am
      - gorse
        
        I know two nurses who have stopped nursing because they got fed up with endless Maori prayers everyday.
        
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        December 14, 2024 10:44am
    - Swifty
      
      And not only is it required of employees, it’s now being required of suppliers.
      
      Look at what WCC is now requiring of their (street cleaning) suppliers:
      
      https://youtu.be/U_b7bK9fuzM?t=138
      
      Forget the best service at the best price, oh no, you must come with much, much more than that. You must first pass our political questions and hurdles……
      
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      December 14, 2024 12:11pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Sadly, NZ is clearly a rich source of material for Jerry – I can’t argue with that.
  
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  December 14, 2024 8:38am
- Burtland
  
  Pou 2. Descriptor 2.1
  “Practises culturally safe care which is determined by the recipient”
  
  … no place to hide
  
  the patient determines what is culturally safe for them
  – so if you are confronted with mumbo jumbo and arent happy with it then complain that they are culturally unsafe
  
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  December 14, 2024 9:11am
  - rouppe
    
    Except if you’re white, it seems. Judging from the furore over the guy asking for white nursing care
    
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    December 14, 2024 10:31am
- Yvette
  
  Kiwiblog host David Farrar’s 7am post this morning, Police should not be involved with rāhui, says –
  
  A rahui is a prohibition based on religious or spiritual belief. The Police should not be involved with communicating them. Or at the very least they should have a release which says “Kaumatua have asked the community to refrain …” to make clear the request is not one being made by the Police who have no role in enforcing religious requests.
  
  In the case of those nurses who are actually in state employment the same should apply, that they, as with the Police, should not be involved religion.
  The same applies to the Maori Advisory Council to the Water Regulator, Tuamata Arowai – a Council which the National Coalition supports since it recently made two new appointments to it.
  As I have asked before: where is the Islamic Advisory Council to the Water Regulator, or the Jewish or Gloriavale one?
  
  The New Zealand Government, in all it departments and services, should be secular.
  
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  December 14, 2024 9:45am
  - pdm
    
    `a Council which the National Coalition supports since it recently made two new appointments to it.’
    
    Taumata Arowai is a council which National and maybe NZFirst supports. I don’t think ACT do but obviously they are out voted.
    
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    December 14, 2024 10:46am
    - Yvette
      
      I am sorry, Pdm, perhaps my English misleads, but “a Council which the National Coalition supports, since it recently made two new appointments to it” refers to the Maori Advisory Council, which is separate from the Water Regulator, Tuamata Arowai.
      
      Under Labour, the Maori Advisory Council had full governance, it appeared, over the Water Regulator, Tuamata Arowai, while most protests about “3 Waters” were against only co-governance at the lower proposed Entity level.
      
      Whether the role of the Maori Advisory Council has changed is unclear, but its continued existence is unexplained, when under the New Zealand First / National Coalition deal it should be at least examined to determine its exact function – be it Maori religious world view (te Ao o Maori) or environmental only, in which case it should be a group submitting evidence like any other agency, like perhaps the Destiny Church Committee for Pure Water.
      
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      December 14, 2024 11:12am
- Dave
  
  Maybe it is because he has common sense and is not afraid to state it.
  
  As a daily reader of Jerry Coyne’s website almost since its inception, I would say it’s because he is a widely read and accomplished scientist with a strong commitment to sceptical empiricism, to translating specialist biological knowledge and advances in plain language, and to the values of the enlightenment.
  
  Would that NZ’s academic elites were the same.
  
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  December 14, 2024 9:52am
- NothingLeft
  
  What the hell is the point of a center right govt if it cannot or will not correct for or defenestrate this woke insanity from the countries institutions?? Are they really that impotent, or are they crypto-woke themselves?
  
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  December 14, 2024 10:20am
artemisia

Herald today, paywalled, originally published in the New York Times. See below for link to the NYT article, not paywalled.

The Silicon Valley billionaires steering Donald Trump’s transition Their involvement, to a degree far deeper than previously reported, has made this one of the most potentially conflict-ridden presidential transitions in modern history. It also carries what could be vast implications for the Trump administration’s policies on issues including taxes and the regulation of artificial intelligence, not to mention clashing mightily with the notion that Trump’s brand of populism is all about helping the working man.

Trump had brought two of his most valued houseguests to the [transition] meeting: billionaire Tesla boss Elon Musk and billionaire Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison. Trump looked around the conference table and issued a joking-not-joking challenge.“I brought the two richest people in the world today,” Trump told his advisers, according to a person who was in the room. “What did you bring?”

Also a lot of other successful people named, including billionaires Larry Ellison, Peter Thiel, Marc Andreessen.

Maybe I am reading too much into this article but there is a sense that the NYT and maybe the Herald have an agenda running. As when it names some of the transition team involved in hiring interviews, along with their (lack of ) experience in these sectors. But no mention of the number of enterprises and jobs they have created. Maybe a few hundred thousand jobs for ‘the working man’.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/06/us/politics/trump-elon-musk-silicon-valley.html
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December 14, 2024 8:06am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Looks like Trump’s billionaires trumped (heh) the Dem’s billionaires. Zuck’s bucks lost out (& I see he’s crawling to the Don by fronting $1m for the Inauguration party or some such).
  
  The reality is that the extremely wealthy have been heavily invested in the US political process since extreme wealth became possible in the mid nineteenth century. Joe Kennedy is a well known example, but there are plenty of others.
  
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  December 14, 2024 8:15am
- CJames
  
  Remember the great nimbys of Wanaka didn’t want Peter Thiel there – a precursor to Mc Donalds. Actions have consequences.
  
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  December 14, 2024 8:19am
  - Jethrod
    
    It raises the thought, which one was the more acceptable to them.
    
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    December 14, 2024 10:00am
- Tom Hunter
  
  ….has made this one of the most potentially conflict-ridden presidential transitions in modern history.
  
  The credibility of the MSM is so shot after this election, where eight years of this sort of shite pushed 24/7 completely and utterly failed across the board, that you’d think the NYT and company would try something different.
  
  But they’re programmed for doom it would seem.
  
  Here’s the simple question readers will ask of the NYT: why weren’t you writing this about all the billionaires involved with Biden in late 2020? Especially considering how many of them were Tech billionaires who had fully cooperated with suppressing the Hunter Biden story and all that it implied about the Biden family, starting with “10% For The Big Guy”?
  
  Please respond with something that doesn’t reek of “four-legs-good-two-legs-bad” and do mention your own role in the coverup.
  
  Fuckers. I hope Trump refuses to interview them for the next four years, but being Trump and still a New Yorker at heart he probably will even in the face of this.
  
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  December 14, 2024 8:33am
  - NothingLeft
    
    I remember back to the wilderness years of NZ Labour 2008-2017 when they were languishing badly in the polls, yet at every opportunity to look at themselves in the mirror would reassure themselves that what they really needed to do to win back support was double-down on their insanity and go further left ignoring the reality that elections are won by courting swing voters.
    
    Ideological capture is only solvable via funerals or firings, religious zealots will never moderate their beliefs.
    
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    December 14, 2024 10:27am
Anthony Melchett

Mainstream media continuing to force the narrative on the plebs.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/culturally-unacceptable-wairoas-fight-to-ban-mortuary-waste-in-its-waterways/XWC6VQGSYVGN3ASZKIR4YG2BX4/

Such unnecessary Maori focus, trying to force the view that only Maoris know how to manage the environment and the river is their treasure. This is a race of people that hunted to extinction and ate each other.

It doesn’t need to say any of that. It could simply say that Wairoa is no longer going to be discharging mortuary waste and chemicals into the river because it’s the right thing to do. Stop making it all about one group of people. I’m sure the Indians living there don’t want it happening either…

Oh Anthony, you are such a racist they will cry.

Nope, just sick of having one race promoted above all others, especially when it’s one that has done such a bad job in the game of life.

It really is time for the experiment.

Maoris and race apologizing mid 40’s whiteys with blue hair on one island, everyone else who just wants to live their life and treat people equally on the other.

How long before they beg the sovereign to save them from themselves again?
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December 14, 2024 8:07am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Snuck into this article about vandalism of a piece of rock on top of Mt Maunganui (which name appears precisely nowhere in the article) is this little gem:

“During the repairs, Mauoa will be fully closed”.

Even by current H&S lunacy standards, this is a massive overreach. Who do these people think they are? Why does Council think this is acceptable to its ratepayers? And how long is the closure going on for?

http://www.1news.co.nz/2024/12/13/vandalism-of-pounamu-touchstone-in-tauranga-gutless-racism/
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December 14, 2024 8:11am
I remember when

No work has been done on our street’s new driveway for several days.
However, the 30 kms sign and numerous traffic cones remain firmly ensconced!
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December 14, 2024 8:15am
- imalwaysright
  
  Put them in the nearest wheelibin.
  
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  December 14, 2024 10:10am
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: Bearly Xmas
But it’s safer to stay at home.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-bearly-xmas?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 14, 2024 8:18am
John Loveridge

Make sure you take off your red tie before trying to get something to eat in DC.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dc-food-workers-vow-trump-officials-wont-feel-welcomed-when-dining-out-nations-capital
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December 14, 2024 8:19am
- artemisia
  
  “This person theoretically has the power to take away your rights, but I have the power to make you wait 20 minutes to get your entree,” Nancy, a fine-dining bartender, told the Washingtonian.
  
  I wonder how the fine-dining establishment owner feels about Nancy the bartender. That would be Nancy the bartender who doesn’t seem to get how the beltway works. Like how many customers will be timing the delivery of their entree, laughing like drains and passing the word around. And not in a good way.
  
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  December 14, 2024 12:23pm
sherp

So a teenager climbed a power pole and grabbed ahold of the wires… https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-teenager-electrocuted-after-climbing-power-pole-emergency-services-on-scene/3BAUSXXVRVFODEQ5USWSVCF2NU/
…wtf is happening to our country.
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December 14, 2024 8:31am
- Scooter
  
  Too much Mātauranga Māori and less core science being taught. But he will get 1st prize at the Darwin Awards.
  
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  December 14, 2024 9:50am
- PaulP
  
  I see the Herald has corrected their article.
  
  Given electrocution is death by electric shock and the kid survived, they have now changed the headline and article to “electric shock.”
  
  That at it was written as electrocution in the first place shows how useless journalism is nowadays though.
  
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  December 14, 2024 10:27am
- CJames
  
  Probably stealing copper. If so, he won’t make the Darwin awards. Just like the thief under the house in Auckland doing the same thing
  
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  December 14, 2024 10:48am
  - Scooter
    
    Is there copper in overhead power lines? I doubt he had the brains to think that was an option. More likely just another idiot wanting to take a selfie to post online of how brave and death defying they are.
    
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    December 14, 2024 11:41am
    - wsk12345
      
      Yes some of the old distribution overhead conductor is copper
      
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      December 14, 2024 12:09pm
    - CJames
      
      It is not necessarily that. Thiers of power lines aren’t known for their intelligence. We have had people try to take steel armoured paired signal cable. Also copper coated steel rod. There are articles in Google about people trying to steal HV power lines with predictable results. I was told one group in SA tried to steal a line in a hydrogen filled HV duct. That raised the IQ of the remaining population.
      
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      December 14, 2024 12:23pm
  - grumpy
    
    Not at that voltage. Probably just Aluminium
    
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    December 14, 2024 12:22pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Some of Radio NZ’s broadcasters just do not present as being very smart. I’m thinking of Ingrid Hipkiss, who’s an airhead, while Mihi Forbes is a blunt pencil. Any time an interview does not go according to script, they seem completely lost. I would have thought the ability to think on one’s feet is a non negotiable for an interviewer.

Credit where credit is due; Kathryn Ryan & Jim Mora present really well, while midnight-5am regulars (yep, showing my age) Vicki McKay & Peter Ilwaine hit the right notes. Nathan Rawiri I have mixed feelings about; positive on the whole but leaning too far into a commercial radio presentation style for my taste.
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December 14, 2024 8:35am
- Burtland
  
  Sliding audience numbers would suggest management is the blunt pencil
  – blunt management even blunter staff ( B’s employ C’s)
  
  RNZ still pursues Willies maorfication – state funerals now include gang leaders
  
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  December 14, 2024 9:31am
Jack5

The ferries balls-up …

Raised in General Debate yesterday, but with so many Old Salts posting on Kiwiblog, worth hearing their views today.

Chris ~~Trotsky~~ Trotter flails Finance Minister Nicola Willis as “an economic cretin” over the break-contract fee for the ships. Trotter talks of half a billion dollars.

Willis has a busy year ahead with ship problems in Cook Strait and Tonga, and with Kiwibank ownership being opened to more investors.

Trotter’s ship story:

https://shorturl.at/G9IW5
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December 14, 2024 8:35am
- Taieri
  
  Trotter talks of half a billion dollars.
  ————
  
  The value of this contract was about that. It is most unlikely that the cancellation penalty will come anywhere near this amount. Yard contract usually contain standard penalty clauses and this one will also have one.
  Trotter’s article is just a rant.
  
  Apart from everything else a government has no business to involve itself in shipping. The sad example of the last government’s coastal shipping initiative is the best proof of that.
  In 2022 the then government provided $30M funding to Move Logistics, Coastal Bulk Shipping, Swire Shipping and Aotearoa Shipping Alliance to help each company to provide at least one coastal cargo ship.
  Move Logistic was talking about setting up Ro-Ro service between New Plymouth and Nelson. Nothing ever came out of that.
  Coastal Bulk Shipping received a grant to cover half coast of their additional vessel Rangitata. This vessel spends most of her time at anchor due to the lack of cargoes.
  Swire Shipping put an additional container vessel Takutai Chief on the coast. This was withdrawn at the end of August due to the lack of cargoes.
  Aotearoa Shipping (West Coast Bulk Logistics) brought a motorized barge, Manahau, which initially was to be used to transport bulk cargoes between Westport and Nelson. After just one trip, this fine vessel ended up on the beach near Westport and is now moored in Nelson. Totally unsuitable for its intended purpose and now totally useless.
  The Chatham Islands service is its own separate saga and I’ll leave it for another day.
  
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  December 14, 2024 11:00am
- Master Mariner
  
  Where is the CEO of KiwiRail on this ?
  The ship building process is that you tender out the specifications of new Builds to numerous ship yards.
  ie Size, Dimensions, tonnage, engines ( machinery ), Cargo capacities etc .
  This is what I would be very interested to see and How many shipyards did they submit the Tender too ?
  Shipping companies do not build infrastructure.
  The real question is How far Hyundai got in the building process? Generally 1/3 , 1/3 and final payment after completion of sea trials with a year of warranty claims thereafter.
  The Questions that need to be answered are,
  1.Why was the tender to build ferries that are too Big to safely enter the Ports/facilities.
  2. Why was it allowed to progress long after it was known that they were too Big.
  3.When was the decision made too make them Hybrid ( Battery) when they are banning EV from carriage world wide.
  4. Why did KiwiRail think it could become a infrastructure and Port Building company.?
  
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  December 14, 2024 11:29am
kiwikidsnz

There’s a few lawyers on KB

Is it time that Family Protection Act 1955 was reviewed? & the judiciary were not the appointed moral arbiters of other peoples personal decisions & required to give sincere effect to the testators wishes instead of their own opinions? Is the Family Court the appropriate judicial forum?

I don’t dispute & fully endorse the need for adequate protection & support of minors. However there are an increasing frequency of cases brought by supposedly grown & independent adults who nurse grievances. The dead cannot put their own side of the story.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/family-court-awards-woman-372k-after-being-left-out-of-late-mothers-will/JSNKB2LBX5DNZNUJ23D5NTRFZ4/
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December 14, 2024 8:36am
- artemisia
  
  Some people are truly horrible, or even worse. In this case the owner of the assets basically said as much.
  
  Sometimes see people upset at especially elderly not supported at all by family. Maybe the description of truly horrible applies, and family feels completely justified in walking away. Including my own family.
  
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  December 14, 2024 9:29am
Tom Hunter

From the report on the response of the US Secret Service in dealing with the two assassination attempts on Trump, come the following about what happened in the 2nd attempt when the agent encountered the potential sniper:

The agent first noticed the suspect, later identified as Ryan Wesley Routh, and then noticed the barrel of Routh’s gun sticking through the fence line. The special agent, who may have been as close as five feet away from Routh, immediately responded by firing shots toward the suspect. It is believed six shots in total were fired; however, final ballistics are pending an ongoing FBI investigation.

AYFKM? He fired six shots (he thinks???) from a range of five feet at a man-sized target and didn’t get a single hit?

What the hell is the USSS teaching its agents on pistol ranges these days?
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December 14, 2024 8:46am
- artemisia
  
  Aimed to miss? Or the person was not adjacent to the gun?
  
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  December 14, 2024 9:04am
- rouppe
  
  Regarding the number of shots, I have heard from more than one source that in the heat of the moment you basically have no idea how many shots you fire, and routinely underestimate that number.
  
  Whether this situation qualifies as “heat” is another matter.
  
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  December 14, 2024 10:52am
PurplePen

I don’t know much about Paul Moon except that he’s an historian. He was invited by the National Library to give a talk in February next year. Presumably he was required to submit his talk after which the Library set about requesting words and phrases be deleted. Here’s Moon’s explanation as to why he’s withdrawn from giving the talk.

https://x.com/stew_rachel/status/1867401241183367332
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December 14, 2024 8:59am
- pdm
  
  Unbelievable and rude in the extreme by the National Library.
  
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  December 14, 2024 9:27am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Paul Moon is a prolific writer on NZ History and is eminently worth reading and listening to. Here’s a You Tube clip of him being interviewed by a young NZ Doctor. Forgive her inexperience in interviewing, but do listen to Moon.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0HGFG9s7rU
  
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  December 14, 2024 9:35am
- Burtland
  
  rule #1 – control the narrative
  
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  December 14, 2024 9:41am
- Master Mariner
  
  Once you understand Libraries are now indoctrination centres then it all makes perfect sense.
  
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  December 14, 2024 11:32am
- Jack5
  
  This is our National Library – the library that five years or so dumped more than half a million books from its international collection.
  
  A main excuse was shortage was space, a tenuous reason. Many suspect there was a Woke strategy to refocus the collection on NZ, and largely on Maori NZ.
  
  Some defendants argued that titles would always be available digitally from overseas sources.
  
  However, long-time digital security of information may never match that of paper books.
  
  The Library’s cull:
  
  https://tinyurl.com/2sfrzpz8
  
  AND
  
  https://newsroom.co.nz/2021/07/18/the-national-library-loses-the-plot-again/
  
  AND – THE MYTH THAT DIGITAL STORAGE IS SECURE
  
  Security of digital-stored information:
  
  https://tinyurl.com/4cnzvz5d
  
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  December 14, 2024 11:43am
Grunter

The Germans are getting very grumpy as their car industry disintegrates before their eyes. 20,000 VW workers booed the CEO as he announced closures.

Are we finally seeing the disaster of the global boiling scam unfold? Is this the start of the house of cards that is the EU socialist experiment collapsing? I think (and hope) it is.

We need this to happen before it sucks NZ down the same drain pipe. Germany and the UK are the leading Global Boiling scammers. They need to fail for the scam to stop.
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December 14, 2024 9:02am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Despite being reasonably obvious to normal people that their issues are in no small part due to the destruction of their electricity grid and their foray into EVs, I saw at least two interviews with German economists claim that the demise of the car companies was due to them not going hard and fast enough into EVs.
  It seems that things aren’t quite bad enough yet to convince the slow people that climate change policies ( ot climate change) are going to be the ruin of us.
  
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  December 14, 2024 11:21am
Scooter

This should be an interesting case and doesn’t sound gang related, for a change. Poachers? Interestingly on Google maps nearby is Stuart and the Pigs, coincidence?

“A local who said he knew the alleged shooter all his life described him as a nice guy and a bit eccentric.
He said the farmer has been picked on by poachers and it got to breaking point”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-responding-to-critical-incident-on-remote-coromandel-road-westpac-choppers-scramble-to-scene/WPVKHFOXUBBMRBDEM5DNPNGJGY/
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December 14, 2024 9:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  looks like pig hunters were after Stu’s tame Captain Cookers.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/361042/coromandel-man-condemned-to-house-arrest-to-protect-pigs-from-torture
  
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  December 14, 2024 11:44am
All_on_Red

Recycling is an expensive and mostly unnecessary waste of time
Our Councils are spending millions and millions and they don’t need to.
Discuss
https://x.com/JohnStossel/status/1867243766605828401?
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December 14, 2024 9:34am
- Bridgenag
  
  The daughter of one of the Blokes at Bowls lives in a fancy city apartment where they have cameras checking that they recycle properly………. guess how many have stopped recycling. Building full of Chardonnay socialists flying all over the world and saving the planet with food waste collection.
  
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  December 14, 2024 9:44am
  - pdm
    
    We stopped recycling about 5 years ago when our bins weren’t emptied 3 weeks in a row without explanation.
    
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    December 14, 2024 10:50am
- nathie
  
  Why can’t we return to burning most unrecyclable materials to eliminate the burying the stuff in the ground (after all their chemical components will eventually break down contaminating the environment and potentially pure ground water etc).
  
  How about the councils issue oil drums for burning domestic waste to every household to save the planet!!!
  
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  December 14, 2024 9:47am
  - All_on_Red
    
    These days they seal the base of the dump so the waste doesnt leach but you are right that we should use Waste to Energy plants more.
    You do need a lot of waste to make it economic but they work.
    
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    December 14, 2024 11:25am
  - Ian Boag
    
    You have maybe forgotten the clouds of soot and unburned shit that drifted round the neighborhood. Could do bad things to washing on the line ….
    
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    December 14, 2024 12:35pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Agree that recycling is complete bullshit, it’s just a more wasteful, labour, cost and time intensive route to landfilling. But we have a fringe of delusional green zealots preying on the unicorns-and-rainbows well intentioned but stupid and low-information NZ left wing voting base to make it mandatory. Ignoring reality to pander to their feelings.
  
  The only rational solution is waste-to-power incineration, and recover whatever useful metals you can from the residues
  
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  December 14, 2024 10:51am
- Taieri
  
  Recycling is an expensive and mostly unnecessary waste of time
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  Yesterday afternoon I was watching a rubbish truck operator emptying council rubbish bins at a certain location near very popular beach down South. There were three bins: paper, glass and general rubbish. He emptied all of them into the same wheelie bin and took it back to his truck.
  
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  December 14, 2024 11:06am
MCōs

Article on the cost of the iRex ferry project as claimed by Minister Willis, including a comment with a statement by Winston from 4-1/2yrs ago.
That statement shows how optimistic politicians can get things wrong.
And there’s no reason why the same Winston can’t get things wrong again.
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/12/12/own-goal-govt-sets-new-4b-goalpost-for-ferries/
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December 14, 2024 9:35am
All_on_Red

Interesting article in The Telegraph
‘Ukraine is slowly losing the three-year conflict on the battlefield. Russia is slowly losing the economic conflict at a roughly equal pace. The Kremlin’s oil export revenues are too low to sustain a high-intensity war and nobody will lend Vladimir Putin a kopeck.
Russia’s overheated, military-Keynesian war economy looks much like the dysfunctional German war economy of late 1917, which had run out of skilled manpower and was holed below the waterline after three years of Allied blockade – as the logistical failures of the Ludendorff offensive would later reveal.
Putin’s strategic victory in Ukraine was far from inevitable a fortnight ago and it is less inevitable now after the Assad regime collapsed like a house of cards, shattering Putin’s credibility in the Middle East and the Sahel. He could do nothing to save his sole state ally in the Arab world.

“The limits of Russian military power have been revealed,” said Tim Ash, a regional expert at Bluebay Asset Management and a Chatham House fellow.’
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/putin-regime-may-closer-soviet-154500072.html?
Of course the morons who follow Russian propaganda sites like The Duran and Southfront wont believe a word of it.
Reee-Military Industrial Complex-Reeeeee!
Funny to watch.
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December 14, 2024 9:43am
- kowtow
  
  It’s a funny old “war” though ( if it weren’t so terrible for all the people whose lives are blighted by rich mens’ games)
  
  Russia sells gas to the EU ( who say there’s a trade /sanctions regime against the evil Ivans) which goes through Ukraine , who get paid billions for allowing that.
  
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  December 14, 2024 10:52am
- Oskar
  
  Here is an analysis on how Russia can win.
  Its not about land but about being about to influence the next Ukrainian Govt – free of that Govt not being part of the EU or NATO.
  The risk is on day one of his presidency Trump will ‘do a deal’ with Putin so he Trump can say ‘peace in our time’ – while Ukraine is Finlandized.
  Meanwhile Putin is willing to accept any number of casualties to achieve this objective and will only honour such an agreement as long as it suits him,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhpoNL1gZbw
  
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  December 14, 2024 11:51am
GazzaW

I have to admit that I still have a subscription to the NZ Herald – it was a ‘sweetheart’ deal that I signed up to during Covid for $20 a month and which for some reason has never been increased. It gives me Premium membership plus a delivered hard copy every Saturday. I was horrified this morning to open up my hard copy to find an almost full page ‘scare’ article on the likelihood of a Covid outbreak for Christmas, a photo of a queue for Covid jabs back in 2022 and worst of all a photo of Michael Baker. Images and articles of Ardern, Bloomfield, Baker and Wiles are not welcome in our house – wake up NZ Herald our country needs no unwelcome reminders of those dark ages and the politicians and public ‘servants’ that exploited them.
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December 14, 2024 9:49am
bennerg

Elon rips into the fallacy of recycling:

“Recycling is pointless”

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1867520973966098523
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December 14, 2024 9:59am
- MCōs
  
  There’s recycling and then there’s recycling
  A friend of mine told me he used to go upcountry in Thailand where his wife came from and see workers wearing his old business shirts out in the fields.
  
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  December 14, 2024 11:00am
Hugh Jarse

Does anyone think on the available evidence of a lack of project completion, cost overruns, budget blowouts , general wastage etc during the Ardern years that Labour could have negotiated the deal of the century for the ferry’s and their new infrastructure and would have been able to manage the implementation of them into operation within the projected $4B ?.
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December 14, 2024 10:13am
- nathie
  
  Sadly/predictably the MSM does.
  
  They are so partisan it is entirely credible to believe that if the Party in power was reversed i.e. National originally signed up to iRex with the portside infrastructure cost blowouts and an incoming Labour Govt ripped up the deal terminating the iRex contract then made an announcement that they are investigating two new ferry replacements that are compatible with existing infrastructure and will save taxpayers around $2b (which could be invested elsewhere eg health and education), the MSM would be cheering the Labour Govt on and continue demonising National for signing up to iRex and for being prepared to waste up to $4b, especially during a cost of living crisis.
  
  Of the MSM – it’s true, isn’t it?
  
  And as for Labour today (Chippie and co) … nothing more than a bunch of hypocritical gaslighting “arsonists” who demonstrate zero acknowledgement or contrition for their failures. Despicable.
  
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  December 14, 2024 10:53am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyosY3czEN8
Tauranga Mayor Mahé Drysdale On Iwi Appointments To Council Committees.
I’m sure that I remember Mahe stating that he would listen, represent, and act on behalf of the ratepayers of Tauranga. That must be a world record. What was it, four weeks ago?
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December 14, 2024 10:21am
- Eastlander
  
  A case which highlights the need to expunge the treaty of Waitangi from our legislation. Advocates of the Iwi appointments insisted that it was legally required because the treaty entailed an ‘equal partnership’. The treaty and the principles are acting as a cancerous growth within our law and as long as they’re there they’ll continue to be weaponised.
  
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  December 14, 2024 11:33am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ch0KB95sM8
Globalists Cancel Presidential Elections as Populist Candidate Surges.
Wow, things don’t go your way try to annul an election and scream Russia Russia Russia. We’ve seen this movie.
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December 14, 2024 10:21am
Bridgenag

Why Roger Ver Deserves a Presidential Pardon
By Aaron Day

“The Weaponization of Attorney-Client Privilege

Trump watched in horror as federal agents raided his lawyer Michael Cohen’s office, seizing privileged communications
Ver’s attorneys faced the same violation, with prosecutors seizing private legal consultations showing his meticulous efforts to follow the law”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/why-roger-ver-deserves-a-presidential?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 14, 2024 10:38am
Prince

Cricket today in Hamilton, the ‘city of the future’ !
Tim Southee Festival XI vs England.
One team is playing test cricket, the other mired in sentiment and memories.
26 year old Nathan Smith has been dropped to accommodate Southee.
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December 14, 2024 10:53am
- MCōs
  
  Half the Wellingtonians have been dropped due to concerns they might not cope with the unaccustomedly high temperatures.
  
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  December 14, 2024 11:47am
Chuck Bird

“I WON’T Apologise!” Leeds Student Suspended From University Radio For Gender-Critical Views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4_pT4bpjM8
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December 14, 2024 11:42am
Ghost

Is she naked? As she turns around it looks like she is wearing longish dress, or have the herald blurred out down almost to her feet

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-footage-emerges-showing-on-duty-auckland-police-officer-embracing-naked-woman-by-stripper-pole/KTUMSYXUNNETHKXYCUPLHTFP74/
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