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CJames

Very good deep (and long) interview here with who will be the new boss of NIH in the USA, Dr Bhattacharya. A real opponent of censorship as he was a prominent victim of it. He has plainly stated “Never lockdown again”. Such a change to the NZ epidemiologists who still won’t admit they stuffed up and helped destroy NZ as a united society.
https://youtu.be/lmWJTXaDc88
Needless to say, I think that for at least the next 4 years, the health policies in the US will be totally different to those under Collins/ Fauci. Though the deafening wailing of the pampered keyboard warriors will drown out those benefits.
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November 30, 2024 8:00am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I will watch with interest as, I hope, will Shane Reti. Move fast and break things. After all, it’s what the 4th Labour Govt did. Many Lefties decry that some of the pain arose of the pace of change rather than the change itself, and I’m inclined to agree. But, as IIRC Roger Douglas said, if they hadn’t moved fast, opposition would have organised to bog them down.
  
  Christopher Luxon, take note.
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That little prick Michael Baker was going on about future mandates the other day.
  He was saying the very people needed in a pandemic are being dismissed from their positions. Really? The Taxpayer should support these no hopers just in case they are needed for a pandemic?
  The man is crazy – but it’s only other people’s money.
  
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  November 30, 2024 9:09am
  - Flossie
    
    A pity he is not one of those to lose their job. To hear him pontificate makes my blood pressure rise.
    
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    November 30, 2024 9:15am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    I think he’s autistic in that he just cannot see outside his focus on viruses; he just doesn’t see the damage policies like lockdowns, masks and vaccine mandates do.
    
    But he wouldn’t care if he did see them. Autistics are not known for empathy.
    
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    November 30, 2024 10:14am
Mark Hanley

What a surprise, the HMNZS Manawanui was sunk due to human error.

The minister of defense’ original assertation that the explanation for the sinking, had to wait for the inquiry was BS. As i wrote at the time….. Collins knew from the Get go.

Collins’ interview on the report was full of weasel words and holes. She tried to explain the dei hire captain wasn’t on the bridge when the ship ran aground, then later slipped in the dei hire had been on the bridge but left, Interlinked with more waffle about which genders were in charge.

The sinking is not a gender issue. It is an incompetence issue.

Hiring people solely based on sex and serial orientation, will lead to more expensive disasters.

No doubt the public service is full of people hired for the wrong reasons.
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November 30, 2024 8:01am
- G152
  
  A bridge full of untrained naval officers is not surprising.
  Most naval ratings have suspected such at times
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:40am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    3 most useless things on a ship?
    
    A step ladder, an umbrella and a Naval Officer.
    
    The RN and other navies used to have “Seamen Specialist Officers” aka A Salt Horse.
    
    They were good, now all been to uni and known as Surface warfare officers. Look at a scree all day.
    
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    November 30, 2024 9:46am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  But but but – she was an experienced Royal Navy officer, and was specially head hunted for the role from her holiday jaunt around Australia. How could this happen?
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:41am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  To give KiwiRail some credit, their autopilot issue emerged fairly quickly. Did the RNZN not read the news articles & initial report?
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:43am
- Matt Long
  
  “Neither the person piloting the Manawanui, their supervisor, nor the captain, thought to check whether the autopilot was still on. All are under investigation and may face further disciplinary action.”
  But the real problem is the virtue signalling drones who chose to give people positions based on their diversity instead of their competence.
  Was the rainbow tick worth sinking a ship for?
  https://x.com/TheZeitgeistNZ/status/1862343002569810276
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:43am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Can a person be piloting a vessel if the autopilot is on? If said person is in charge and piloting then they should have and would have known that the autopilot was engaged…..surely?
    
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    November 30, 2024 9:20am
  - kevn
    
    Matt… Like having the cruise control on in a car. I can end driving you into corners.
    
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    November 30, 2024 10:30am
- Damocles11
  
  According to Collins, the person who was driving the boat when it grounded, and their immediate supervisor who was on the bridge at the time, were both males. I didn’t hear the bit about the captain ‘leaving the bridge’, just that they were not on the bridge at the time the fiasco played out. I suggest that if the captain had left the bridge during the time that the incident was presumably playing out in front of her then she’d be up on charges of dereliction of duty, cowardice etc etc etc.
  Anyway, the captain is responsible for the ship and everything that happens onboard the ship, including staff training or lack thereof.
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:56am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  A large vessel, on a lee shore with 4 metre seas and the CO wasn’t on the bridge??? Why???
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:56am
- julesnzuk
  
  Defence. We’re not in America – attention to detail, dear boy. Not a great look when getting on a high horse and making accusations of “hiring people solely based on sec and sexual orientation” when you have no idea if those are the reasons she was hired.
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:58am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Speaking as an ex navy officer, Readers should know that the Captain is not usually on the bridge of their ship, with watches being carried out by qualified Bridge Watchkeeping officers. (I used to be one)
  
  While this does not absolve a Captain from ultimate responsibility in this sort of case, this does highlight the sort of massive consequence of a simple oversight.
  
  While we do know what happened, the questions will now be about how such a simple failure led to such a total loss. This will end a few careers.
  
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  November 30, 2024 9:11am
  - Taieri
    
    Readers should know that the Captain is not usually on the bridge of their ship, with watches being carried out by qualified Bridge Watchkeeping officers
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    Readers should also know that the Captain should be on the bridge of their ship when navigating in restricted waters. More so, if the ship is navigating in restricted and UNCHARTED waters.
    
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    November 30, 2024 9:42am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      I dare say that the Captain was on the bridge when it became apparent that the ship was in danger, but the events that led to that situation may not have happened in the presence of the Captain.
      
      This, however, remains a matter of conjecture and is a matter for the upcoming military disciplinary hearings.
      
      I can only hope that the subsequent reports have the same sort of public transparency as we are seeing at the moment.
      
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      November 30, 2024 10:16am
    - kevn
      
      Taieri… That is exactly how I saw it. Uncharted waters, 4 m swell and close to a reef. Get up to the bridge.
      
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      November 30, 2024 10:32am
  - Swifty
    
    Slightly, would you care to speculate as to the cause of the fires which broke out?
    
    I’ve not seen them explained at all.
    
    Many thanks.
    
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    November 30, 2024 10:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Public Service full of people hired for the wrong reasons is because they would not last 5 minutes in the Private Sector. Born useless and will die useless.
  
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  November 30, 2024 9:15am
- imalwaysright
  
  Saw tv1 news last night. They referred once to a “commanding officer” being one of the three responsible. No name, no photo, no mention of her overall responsibility.
  
  Judith was still fizzing at the bung that no one died. No one died the day before, or the day after either. But we are a boat short , deeper in debt, and Samoa have a 1000 tonnes of fuel and a polluting ship left to rust at their front door.
  
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  November 30, 2024 9:27am
- Master Mariner
  
  “Did Human Error Lead to the Loss of HMNZS Manawanui? Court Of Inquiry Reveals Its Interim Findings”.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNx5V4GmSdE
  
  Raises far more questions than answers.
  
  As stated before , The cost of removing the Wreck is going to run into a massive sum of money.
  
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  November 30, 2024 9:30am
- Mod88
  
  There is a reason for the manpower shortage in the NZDF and it can be sheeted back to the Ardern Govt directive for the Defence Forces to be 1st in the World DEI Hire organisation. I know personally quite a few career soldiers/service personnel who have had a gutsful of the B/S and left. Young people do not join the Defence Force to be “Indoctrinated” with LBQT rubbish, they join to shoot guns, fly jets and see the world.
  
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  November 30, 2024 9:33am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    I can wholeheartedly attest to this.
    
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    November 30, 2024 10:17am
- rouppe
  
  This just smells of a cover up.
  
  You tell me what navigator is going to plot an auto pilot route over the top of a reef.
  
  Doesn’t make sense.
  
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  November 30, 2024 9:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is there a big red/green light that comes on somewhere on the Bridge when the autopilot is on?
  
  (Genuine question —-I’m a total landlubber)
  
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  November 30, 2024 10:09am
Maggy Wassilieff

2. Oops. The Royal Commission Report on Covid Missed out the Graph of “Confirmed Covid deaths” showing NZ has converged to the world average

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2024/11/29/macculloch-delivers-two-jabs-to-covid-commission-report/
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November 30, 2024 8:07am
- Philview
  
  The media don’t seem to be keen on phase 2 of the Commission which will no doubt look deeper into the analysis. ‘Jacinda and Ashley did a great job, case closed’ seems to be the attitude.
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:16am
- Burtland
  
  a multi billion dollar fxxk up in one graph 😆
  
  Maybe he should be Kaitohutohu Mātanga Pūtaiao Matua ki te Pirimia
  maybe not – a title like that would come with a mighty big rock around his neck
  
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  November 30, 2024 10:01am
  - Paulus
    
    Eh !
    
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    November 30, 2024 10:34am
Maggy Wassilieff

Did we do well during and after lockdowns?

“Rather than New Zealand being unique, in having
negative cumulative excess deaths in the COVID-19 era, cumulative deaths are about four percent above expected deaths (through 2022) once population growth rate changes are accounted for.”

Cumulative excess deaths in New Zealand in the COVID-19 era: biases from ignoring changes in population growth rates

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/epdf/10.1080/00779954.2024.2314770?
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November 30, 2024 8:22am
- imalwaysright
  
  Here’s Michael Laws on the subject.
  
  https://youtu.be/pXQHz5LeHM0?si=HUbF5E4bqVxf7FkV
  
  Scathing, would be a good description
  
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  November 30, 2024 9:11am
cmm

The military understands that humans are prone to failure, particularly under stress, which is why the military build systems and procedures which are self correcting and are immune to single points of failure. This is also why the military constantly train and hold drills – to ensure that the personnel execute these drills properly.

When these systems fail, then it is only one thing – a failure of leadership.

In my experience in the SA Army, one thing we took extremely seriously was making sure that rifles were not loaded (except of course in combat-ready situations):
* Whenever someone handed a rifle to another person they checked before handing it off.
* Whenever someone receives a rifle they check it (yes, even though the person handing it to you just checked 3 seconds ago).
* Whenever you put a rifle down, you check it.
* Pick it up? Check it.
* Get into a vehicle? Check it.
* Get out of a vehicle? Check it.
* Enter a building? Check it.
* Exit a building? Check it.

So most rifles get checked multiple times an hour. There is not one point of failure.

Everyone is required to abide by these rules.
Everyone is required to speak out if they see someone violating these rules.

I am aware of an incident in a South African Army training camp where a person on guard duty had been fooling around and mistakenly loaded his rifle. It ended up being discharged an hour later inside a building. Nobody got hurt.

The OC’s reaction was, in my opinion, astounding leadership.

He formed up the whole unit on the parade ground and said there would be opvok PT for the guilty parties (if you don’t know what opvok PT is, you can probably guess but Google will help you).

First, he called up the person who had discharged the rifle.
Then he called up the people who had been on guard duty with him.
Then he called up their training Corporals and Officers.
Then he joined them himself.

Then he said: “Everyone in this group, including me, failed to do their part in handling firearms safely. Some people failed by screwing around. Some people failed by not speaking out. Some people failed by not doing proper training. I was responsible for making sure all of that happened.”

He then picked up a sand bag and told the PT instructors to start the opvok.

That man was hard on his troops, hard on himself and the troops all loved him. An excellent leader.
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November 30, 2024 8:23am
- Simon
  
  DEI places the grossly incompetent in positions that no training can fix.
  
  Incompetent officers have been routinely killed by their own side through out history.
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:32am
- David Garrett
  
  cmm: Let me share a story with you that your tale reminds me of.
  
  Some years ago my son asked if he could shoot some cans with the .22; I had taught him all the rules of firearm safety, and he was very careful. I got the rifle out of the safe, and said something like “Even though I am certain the chamber is empty you know you should never point it at someone right?” Then I pulled the trigger….and it fired.
  We both stood there stunned (I had just made a hole in the floor because I had followed rule number one: always point it in a safe direction). I scanned my memory trying to remember who had last used it. I am pretty sure it was me. How in God’s name I put it away with one up the spout I will never know.
  
  Thank God for always obeying those basic rules. Had I been acting the fool and pointed it at him, I would have a dead son.
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In Alaska I had a lot drummed into me before going to the range. Over two hours of instruction the evening before, with a new 9mm hand gun. First time shooting a pistol. Next day the slide got the top of my thumb. I was warned but sort of forgot. Siren wen, weapons down and step back. The safety guards thought I had shot my thumb off!
    Anyway, one thing I was told by one of our host family was never point a gun at someone unless you are going to use it – they are likely going to shoot back!
    
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    November 30, 2024 10:26am
- G152
  
  First rule I learnt no magazine no bolt nothing up the spout and never point the weapon at any-one but the enemy
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:44am
Maggy Wassilieff

You can’t keep a good man down:

https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/former-mayor-foon-takes-the-wheel-as-driving-instructor
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November 30, 2024 8:23am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggy: So he’s giving driving lessons in te reo…one wonders what the te reo words are for “gear lever” “accelerator” “indicator” and most of all “steering wheel” since the ancient Maori never managed to make the fundamental advance in civilization that was the invention of the wheel.
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:29am
  - Jethrod
    
    Well I know that car aerial is “kotanga”
    
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    November 30, 2024 8:37am
    - pdm
      
      Meals on Wheels is Kaitaia.
      
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      November 30, 2024 9:28am
  - artemisia
    
    Keep up, DG. All those terms and many more have been translated in the Christchurch Polytech as-was for an automative engineering course in Maori language. Very important in case a mechanic has clients who only understand the reo.
    
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    November 30, 2024 8:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Here’s the Te Reo version of the Road Code…
    
    https://nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/nga-tikanga-hautu-waka-o-aotearoa-te-puka-okawa/Nga-tikanga-hautu-waka-o-Aotearoa-te-puka-okawa-Jul-2024.pdf
    
    I wonder how many people have actually sat their written and practical test using Te Reo only.
    
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    November 30, 2024 8:51am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Are there versions in Chinese or Afrikaans or any of the other 159 cultures in NZ?
      If not, why not?
      
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      November 30, 2024 10:32am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, his financial input would have largely come from his Mayoral salary, superannuation, Covid and other assorted income streams.
  The car doesn’t appear an EV but then I guess customers wouldn’t want to experience any spontaeous combustion.
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Meng has always had property interests and isn’t short of a bob or two.
    
    He just likes getting out and about.. he’s a people magnet.
    
    If he walks into a restaurant/cafe down here or strolls along the road, he always attracts a crowd of folks who want to chat (friendly stuff) with him.
    
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    November 30, 2024 10:22am
- julesnzuk
  
  Driving lessons in NZ in anything other than English is stupid, negligent and dangerous. End of.
  
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  November 30, 2024 9:00am
- Burtland
  
  I wonder if he de-colonalized it before using it
  
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  November 30, 2024 10:10am
ecco

Left Wellington a few years ago and was visiting recently. Was just wonderful to be back on Lambton Quay. Still gives me that buzz being down on the Quay. There was a great vibe due to a cruise ship being in town as well.

Was disturbed to hear from my friends that Tory Whanau is still going to box on with her pedestrianisation of this iconic strip, thus putting many livelihoods and the wider Wellington economy in jeopardy. Only for her to no doubt shoot through with this notch on her belt and enter parliament as a Green Party mp.

I haven’t heard from one single Wellingtonian in favour of doing what Whanau plans to do to Lambton Quay. Has she even any plans to provide parking and functioning traffic flows around this area? Of course not.

I went into the Brandon St library. A beautiful library, only to find FOUR sets of homeless people using it as their living room. Some of them lying prone on the bench seats so no one else could use the seats. Others decamped with all their backpack paraphernalia spread around the area as you go up the stairs. Staff helpless to actually move these people in to more appropriate locations.

You can only surmise that Lambton Quay will just become one great big homeless congregation point if they close off the traffic and as a result all the struggling retailers will get tipped over completely. Of course Whanau will have long shot through by that stage.

I would be appalled if I still lived in Wellington and were paying those sky high rates to fund this vanity project. I despair for Wellington if this batsh*t, hare brained project actually goes ahead on the jewel in Wellington’s crown.

I sincerely hope they run out of time to actually set a spade to anything near Lambton Quay and Whanau gets booted from power at the next election. However I’m not holding my breath. Wellington is full of voters with not one single bone of commercial reality and financial nous in their body. Just like Whanau.
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November 30, 2024 8:28am
- Eastlander
  
  Whanau and her supporters voted to ‘rescope or revise’ some lower-value items while leaving the obscenely expensive Golden Mile revamp (take the projected cost and add at least $100 million onto it). They believe they have been tremendously clever, that the observer will go back to Brown with a glowing report about WCC’S newfound fiscal responsibility. Then they expect the whole thing will be forgotten and they’ll be free to vote through in full all the items they said they’d look at downsizing.
  
  That is what they expect to happen. A commission by February is more likely.
  
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  November 30, 2024 9:47am
Simon

Germany had Das Boot. Tv series and film. NZ has DEI Boat the real clown show.
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November 30, 2024 8:34am
Tomtoddy

Educate or indoctrinate?? The Ministry of Education is putting a book with a very one-sided view of the Treaty in every school. It claims to be “facts” but makes statements that many would say were flat wrong and others of a very dubious nature. If they must add fuel to a dangerous fire, why not distribute Ngata’s book alongside it?
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November 30, 2024 8:36am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I wonder whether MinEd would similarly welcome the distribution of a Jehovah’s Witness tract or (insert example of your choice) in the same uncritical manner.
  
  If so, a little bird has told me that Biscuit is willing to fund a booklet lauding the magnificence of Everton Football Club.
  
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  November 30, 2024 8:48am
- Yvette
  
  Māori lawyer goes viral for educating people on Treaty Principles Bill
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/535244/maori-lawyer-goes-viral-for-educating-people-on-treaty-principles-bill
  
  The cheapest copy of the book seems to be about $25
  
  shityoushouldcareabout
  absolutely in awe of Riana Te Ngahue and the way she’s using her time and knowledge to educate us in such a beautiful way on the impact and context behind the treaty principles bill. @rianatengahue we don’t deserve you!!!!!! thank you!!!!
  https://www.instagram.com/shityoushouldcareabout/reel/DCdAW_vyTo-/
  
  Look at her communications itself, perhaps in support of the Hikoi, and check if you would want her VERSION in schools.
  Without other views for balance – and is it a government duty that Seymour or Winston should provide, least Riana Te Ngahue OPINIONS do become as you say, indoctrination or propaganda.
  
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  November 30, 2024 9:15am
- imalwaysright
  
  Maybe a benefactor could supply copies of Animal Farm and 1984.
  
  Probably too late, I can’t see many in our education system being able to even read them, nevermind understand them.
  
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  November 30, 2024 9:37am
Simon

Interim report released on Manawanui sinking. They would have known all this within 24 hours but took months to release.

NZ kept in the dark and fed shit.

Samoa should survey their own fucking reefs. Bad history between NZ govt and Samoa people. But they keep wanting NZ govt clown show up in Samoa. Get what you deserve.
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November 30, 2024 8:38am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump Receives Astounding Honor: Patriots Building Statue of Iconic Moment.
Yuge. The inauguration will be far bigger than 2017.

https://pjnewsletter.com/trump-receives-astounding-hon/?
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November 30, 2024 8:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Michael Moore giving Joe some stick.
Is Joe trying to instigate WW3?

https://pjnewsletter.com/michael-moore-biden-wwiii/?

Biden’s clumsy exit. Vid Ben Shapiro 51 sec.

https://patriotpowerednetwork.com/bidens-clumsy-exit-the-world-watches-in-disbelief/?
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November 30, 2024 8:51am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT975egtmBs
Elon Musk joined Trump & Zelensky and Explains Why Zelensky Will Accept Peace Offer.
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November 30, 2024 8:53am
sungsamning

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/ingrassia-five-exciting-executive-orders-expected-immediately-kickstart/
Five Exciting Executive Orders.
President Trump can undo much of the damage from the Biden regime’s nightmarish last four years shortly after he takes the Oath on January 20th. The President’s reliance on executive orders will supplement a robust Republican led coalition in both chambers of Congress, providing multiple instruments for the 47th President to implement his bold policy agenda.

Ever since his resounding victory, a litany of executive orders – ranging from sweeping tariffs on foreign imports to bans on transgender persons in the military to seismic reforms of the Executive Branch – have been proposed.
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November 30, 2024 8:54am
Jack5

Wellington City’s finances — and those of other NZ local bodies — are trivial compared with what’s going on in China’s cities.

They are under a mountain of debt, and some are cutting services, including in some cases, at the hospitals they run.

Meanwhile, local governments are hurting from the fall in a traditional income source – land sales.

The Wall Street Journal says Chinese local governments have total hidden debt — off balance sheet and by other methods — of between $US7 trillion ($NZ11.8 trillion) and $US9 trillion ($NZ15.189 trillion).

(This is using the now common “short scale” version of “trillion” — a “million million” or a “thousand billion”.)

Monthly debt repayment across provinces reached 125 per cent of monthly revenue at some points last year, Victor Shih, Californian academic who researches China’s financial system, told the WSJ.

The Chinese Government has launched $US1.4 trillion ( about $NZ2.36 tr) of bonds to swap for local governments’ off-balance-sheet debt.

The US-financed Radio Free Asia explains China’s local government debt:

“… in the wake of the 2008 global financial crisis, the ruling Chinese Communist Party allowed them to set up local government financing vehicles, also known as local financing platforms.

“These government-backed investment companies were allowed to issue local bonds and to apply for bank loans to finance infrastructure projects that boosted local property values and with them government revenue from property sales and usage fees.

“But their debts never appeared on the books of local governments.

“In 2014, Beijing allowed local governments to borrow directly, mostly in the form of bonds, to reduce their dependence on these local platforms.”

In a 2008 financial stimulus plan Beijing required local governments to invest in stimulation projects, either by issuing bonds or borrowing from banks through “local financing platforms”. The International Monetary Fund reckons local government debt through these platforms reached $US8.3 trillion, or 47.6 per cent of GDP, according to Reuters.
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November 30, 2024 9:18am
Taieri

Quoted by John Raine in his latest article on “decolonising” STEM:

The University of Auckland School of Engineering’s web page on Matauranga Māori makes the following aspirational statement:

“We’re committed to the unique Māori way of viewing the world — encompassing traditional knowledge and culture — and actively seek meaningful ways to reflect this in our teaching, research, and ways of doing.”

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/11/john-raine-why-engineering-cannot-be.html

Wonder what the minister responsible for tertiary education has to say about that? And what the said minister is going to do?
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November 30, 2024 9:36am
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  Do they not realise we are part of a global community? Educating kids to fit in with a narrow (Maori) view of everything is ridiculous. The international language is English whether they like it or not. If you are in aviation you need to be able communicate – and well – in English. I am pretty sure this will apply to most STEM based careers.
  
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  November 30, 2024 9:55am
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A Long post but one to keep and look at leisure.

Some information will get BY going

The FDA’s War Against America’s Health
How the FDA habitually buries life-changing natural medicines and relentlessly props up unsafe and ineffective pharmaceuticals

https://open.substack.com/pub/amidwesterndoctor/p/the-fdas-war-against-americas-health?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=comment-list-share-cta&utm_medium=web&comments=true&commentId=79388835
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Friday funnies: Black Friday –
Christmas is coming Good video

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-black-friday?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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