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slightlyrighty

https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/300816203/penguin-to-publish-classic-roald-dahl-books-after-backlash-over-edits

Now maybe these Sensitivity Experts can find a real job?
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February 25, 2023 8:01am
- lastmanstanding
  
  IMHO EVs will go the same way as Beta recorders. They will be replaced by highly efficient ICE’s powered by cheap cleaning burning renewal synthetic fuels. Research is already underway.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:26am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Well after owning an EV for five years I’m getting rid and won’t be replacing it with another.
    
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    February 25, 2023 9:34am
    - Albie
      
      That’s interesting! My nephew bought a new Tesla Model 3 a year ago, thanks in part to the generosity of the long suffering New Zealand tax payer.
      The car is now back on the market. Reason? Poor EV infrastructure making it stressful and not practical for regional driving.
      I have a feeling EV’s, contrary to what the climate enthusiasts will have us believe, are going to have limited uptake in this country, unless the electricity grid and distribution get a major overhaul, or there is a breakthrough in technology.
      I am not holding my breath for either in the short to medium term.
      Happy to stick with my Subaru Outback for now.
      
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      February 25, 2023 10:14am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        I’d be interested to learn about how well 2nd hand EVs hold their value.
        I don’t know how true it is, but I’ve heard that in the UK people avoid 2nd hand EVs like the plague.
        
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        February 25, 2023 10:38am
      - Colville
        
        Diesel 4×4 ute here…
        I have been dozens of places in the last couple of weeks that nothing else would go. We had no power for 6 days what good is an EV then?
        I am about to take a tonne of wet shit to the dump… going to tow that with a poxy EV?
        
        I mean its not great to drive despite being top of the range and only a year or so old. I would prefer to drive a dual turbo Porshe 4×4 … but I am not going to take a $200K machine half way up the doors in filthy water am I?
        
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        February 25, 2023 10:43am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yep. Even if I could afford one I would not buy an EV. Like Albie, I’m going to happily stick to my 2007 Subaru Legacy B sport Wagon – 3 Ltr. boxer engine, power boost settings if need – up to 320 H.P and drives like its on rails. Comfortable & great cruising. Its now only worth about $8k, and had 330,000 on the clock – replaced torque converter 6 months ago and drives like a new car.
        
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        February 25, 2023 11:30am
      - thirteenstars
        
        “Happy to stick with my Subaru Outback for now.”
        
        But the killer cyclone alarmists aren’t. They intend to tax and regulate you out of that gas guzzler, and otherwise distort the market to make it very inconvenient to own one.
        
        Like rust, control freaks never rest.
        
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        February 25, 2023 11:47am
      - Colville
        
        Chris Nesbit @ 10.38.
        
        Son in law (strongly prospective) has just moved to Oz (50% bump in pay) sold his Tesla 3 , got back about 95% of what he paid for it after 15 months.
        
        So there are plenty of numpties out there…..
        
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        February 25, 2023 12:05pm
      - TS Child
        
        Tesla driver here: I’d like to report that my car is safely tucked up until the terrain approaches civilised again. In the meantime my preferred vehicle is a big 4WD. With a snorkel. And a tow bar. What you cry: how can both these things be true?! Because, as with all tools, a vehicle needs to be task appropriate. Which is why:
        A) the government needs to stop telling us what to buy on account of they have no idea about our individual needs
        B) we need to remember that who owns what is not the issue: the common enemy is a government that is wasteful (EV subsidies – if you can afford a new EV you do not need a government handout) and totalitarian (telling us which type of vehicle we should buy)
        C) Ironically if we are concerned about pollution, the problem is not with the well maintained ICE cars that most people on this blog likely own, it’s with the poorly maintained cars owned by people who are doing their best just to survive. That’s where our anti-pollution vehicle subsidies (if any) are going to be best spent. But that doesn’t make for sexy headlines. And it’s much more fun for the government if those that can afford change are busy fighting each other over trivial things such as EV vs ICE.
        
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        February 25, 2023 12:18pm
      - rouppe
        
        @Don
        
        Just sold my 2004 Outback 3.0R Ltd. Got tired of getting only 14l/100 suburban and 9.5 on a trip. Towed a trailer of sports gear 300km and it drank at 20l. And it has to be premium fuel.
        
        Bought a 4 year old Passat Alltrack Bitdi 500Nm diesel couldn’t be happier. 5.5l/100km on a trip, 7.5 suburban and 8 or so towing that trailer.
        
        Looking at 1000km from a tank of fuel. Once the Ukraine war has ended diesel prices will drop
        
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        February 25, 2023 12:44pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yeah rouppe.
        My 3.o ltr. gets 9.6 kms / ltr around town and 11+ kms on a trip. That’s pretty bloody good for a 3 ltr. 300 hp vehicle. 9.6 km equals 22 mpg, and 11+kms/ltr is equal to 30 mpg.
        I compare that with my old 1956 Mk.I Zephyr back in 1963 14mpg around town and 18 mpg.on a trip. That was a 2.4 ltr straight 6 giving around 70 BHP. Even my 16 y/o Subie is more than twice as economical, 50% bigger & 4 times more powerful. Huge improvements over 60 years.
        
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        February 25, 2023 1:41pm
      - Stellaboxer
        
        A true EV story. I live in Greytown so that means a trip to the airport in Wellington and back is approximately 155 kms ish. On a good day my diesel Land Rover will do the round trip excluding waiting for pickup or painful goodbyes in around 2 hours 20 minutes but sometimes up to 2 hours 45 minutes. My Nissan Leaf has a range of approximately 220kms but real world around 180 kms so you would be forgiven for thinking you could drive to the airport and back without much stress but you’d be wrong . The only time I attempted it goes something like this. By the time the Leaf had got to the top of the Rimutaka hill road it had used 55% of its battery charge and although regenerative breaking had replaced much of it by the time I had descended it was obvious I wasn’t going to go to the airport and back on a single charge. There is a fast charge in Upper Hutt so I continued on my journey. On the return trip to say I wasn’t concerned about getting back to the charger would be an understatement in fact I was driving up the motorway sweating like a glass blowers arse but I made the charger with about 37% of charge left. The problem now was that there was one car charging and three waiting. Average charge time 20 minutes so an hour and 35 minutes before I could hook up ( some people weren’t waiting with their cars so a wait incurred) and twenty mins for me. All in all it took around two hours to get enough juice to make it over the hill and home even though the car claimed to have enough range to do it without charging ,having experienced the drive up the Rimutaka I knew I wouldn’t make the summit . I’m not sure how much diesel and road user the Landy would use on the trip but it would be cheap when the stress, time, frustration and price of the kebab spent waiting to charge up we’re taken into account. In summary Landrover equaled comfort reliability and stress free motoring Leaf equaled stress , anger, frustration and anxiety. No fu$king contest she’s gone.
        
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        February 25, 2023 3:49pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        An EV is fine as an around town runabout. You need something fossil fueled once you leave city limits.
        
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        February 25, 2023 7:18pm
- Bob
  
  Would be to the benefit of NZ’s youthful members of the population ; if Penguin were to publish the early 1900s era real history books about NZ , which are no longer available in the bookshops because they don’t portray the present ideological agenda
  
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  February 25, 2023 10:50am
Chuck Bird

This very good. I understand Luxon is going to give a state of the nation speech today.

Steve Braunias: The secret crucible of Maureen Pugh

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-secret-crucible-of-maureen-pugh/7OPU77WLKBDQDDXCXO634N6ABY/
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February 25, 2023 8:04am
- Ignoranus
  
  Friday at Mangawai, 300mm rain in the 7 hours before 5pm.
  
  Secretly Maureen Pugh know this is an Act of God but she’s too scared to say now she’s been silenced by the climate alarmists.
  
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  February 25, 2023 8:17am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I am sure she beleives in God. What is Luxon’s God?
    
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    February 25, 2023 9:09am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Which God?
      
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      February 25, 2023 9:29am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        God Uses Changing Climates to Change Societies
        
        https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/september/creation-care-climate-bible-global-warming-and-reformation.html
        
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        February 25, 2023 11:22am
  - Fishing in the dark
    
    Just watch this video from Dr. Patrick Moore (Co-founder of Greenpeace), he explains what climate change is all about.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX1z_6pvM-Q&t=3635s&ab_channel=SteamboatInstitute
    
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    February 25, 2023 9:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Now you dun gone and make the leftie flakes confused.
      All Trains can run on Electricity powered by nuclear!
      Baaaaahhhhhhh – look at them in the corner quivering, just because I mentioned the word “NUCLEAR!!!!”
      
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      February 25, 2023 3:49pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    A year ago I couldnt figure why the West didnt throw everything at Russia by arming Ukraine with the best weapons and weapon systems in bulk. After a while it dawned on me that the long term plan is to suck Putin in by depleting his miltary and economy to the extent that apart from Nukes he has nothing left. In addition hoping China will support Russia thereby weakening their military and economy in the process.
    As always since WW2 this is a proxy war between the West and Communism. The question is will Putin unleash his Nukes at some point. My understanding is the guy is terminally ill so he could decide to go out with a literal BANG.
    
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    February 25, 2023 9:38am
    - blue collar
      
      Can’t deplete Russia . They hv endless supplies of everything .
      The yanks stuffed up and didn’t think Putin would invade after hi jacking election and reneging on Minsk agreement .
      Now it’s the yanks and nato btw a rock and a hard place .
      Putin will win .
      Unless he dies , don’t expect successor to necessarily stop the war though.
      If it wasn’t for all the poles and foreign fighters the Ukraine would be toast .
      There are massive unsustainable casualties on the Ukraine side .
      The yanks and nato merely making money out of a doomed nation , that they personally doomed
      
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      February 25, 2023 10:07am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        Russia has a lot of Natural Resources, but lacks the funds and infrastructure to utilise them.
        
        China has funds and infrastructure potential but lacks the Natural resources to make it work.
        
        The “Northern Resource Area” is something that the Asian powers of the day have looked at with interest. Putin looking towards China may be a problem in the future, especially when you look at the world map.
        
        Remember that the 2 countries were in an undeclared war situation in 1929 and 1969….
        
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        February 25, 2023 12:33pm
      - Jim
        
        Yep but after the US military hardware corporations have made their money, guess what? Yep Blackrock and JP Morgan et al have all pledged to stand by and help finance the rebuild of Ukraine. Nice of them #Ukraine //
        
        LoL, you have to appreciate the shame-play of US proxy wars, making it on both ends of the deal (war and rebuild) and usually access the natural resources in the middle, all whilst the dumb tax payer funds it.
        
        Hope Biden’s handlers haven’t miscalculated the Russia and China (BRICS) solidarity, could be messy.
        
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        February 26, 2023 2:21pm
    - Rusty
      
      @lastman.. The only way I see this conflict ending in Ukraine is through a coup in Russia and the removal of Putin.
      
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      February 25, 2023 10:08am
      - Paulus
        
        Or worse to follow Putin – there are many who will fill that bill !
        
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        February 25, 2023 10:37am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Rusty, suggest you change the lens in your glasses.
        Get wide angle ones.
        
        You think any successor will cave in and walk away.
        
        Dream on, you don’t seem to understand the Russian mindset.
        They are not like soft Europeans(include US and Canada in that grouping)
        
        Just saying, from talking to Russian friends.
        
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        February 25, 2023 6:25pm
    - Jim
      
      OMG way off point, and likely the result off listening to too much Western MSM. The BRICS alliance (accounting for 40% of the world population) would disagree with you on every point. You’re unlikely to know what that acronym means due to the propaganda, despite it being the biggest threat to the US petro dollar since 1971.
      
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      February 25, 2023 1:13pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Putin will be stopped from the final “YES” by his Military/Defence.
      Russians like to stay as much alive as anyone.
      
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      February 25, 2023 3:55pm
    - Ghost
      
      What makes you think he is terminal? Reports from western media? An anonymous telegram account? Ukraine intelligence? The guy is healthier and more coherent than that walking corpse in the USA.
      
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      February 25, 2023 4:04pm
  - JJ56
    
    A useful commentary on this religion and the tricks used to keep the believers in line from Judith Curry https://judithcurry.com/2023/02/24/climate-uncertainty-risk-the-presentation
    
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    February 25, 2023 12:21pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I think I will buy her book.
      
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      February 25, 2023 1:07pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  New Zealand is going to hell in a hand kart on multiple fronts. I mean really to hell. Yet the utterances of a backbench National MP are headlines for days on end. 🙄
  
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  February 25, 2023 8:18am
  - Nickc2
    
    That’s Te MSM for you. Controversy out of trivia!
    
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    February 25, 2023 8:26am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It’s narrative control. End of story. It is no longer “news”.
      
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      February 25, 2023 9:31am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum — even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.
        Noam Chomsky
        
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        February 25, 2023 9:38am
  - Its only I
    
    Nationals strategists should know that.
    
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    February 25, 2023 8:28am
  - Simon
    
    Pugh the heretic must be burned. No one got to question people like Jim Jones as well.
    
    Man made climate change must not be questioned in any manner. This is one of the many red flags how you can tell it’s the worst fake shit possible.
    
    Meanwhile jaxxed to max clown Luxon to give a state of nation speech ? Is it possible for any one boosted to operate or understand anything reality based? Can the boosted deal with the real world or just merely hang out in the fake make believe world of govt?
    
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    February 25, 2023 8:31am
    - sarab2021
      
      ” I’d rather a question that can’t be answered than an answer that cant be questioned.” Famous quote by Richard Feynman – nobel peace prize winner in physics & also a climate science skeptic.
      
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      February 25, 2023 10:57am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        He was a scientist – of course he was a sceptic.
        
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        February 25, 2023 11:21am
      - Cassandra
        
        The biggest brain of his time. “It was the frozen O ring”.
        
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        February 25, 2023 11:51am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Maybe it’s a weapon of mass distraction?
    
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    February 25, 2023 8:32am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The reasoned, accurate and sensible utterances of a backbench MP are headlines for days on end. Shouting “Heretic! Witch! Burn her!!!” is not the evidence of man-made climate change she asked for.
    
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    February 25, 2023 9:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Headlines for days on end it should not be. I just don’t like the way Luxon censored her free speech. Everyone has a free speech voice, as long as it’s Luxon’s voice. I see that as wrong.
    
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    February 25, 2023 9:40am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Not only did he shut her down, he made a point of ‘correcting’ her view with utter nonsense.
      His claim (and presumably the National Party view) that there is ‘no doubt’ that Gabrielle is the result of climate change is simply nonsense.
      Why doesn’t he leave the hysterical claims like those ones to the insane Greens?
      It would not be controversial to point out that individual weather events are not directly attributable to ‘climate change’, but no, he goes all out and resorts to a personal attack and basically brands Pugh as a climate denier. Again, he can leave the personal attacks on National Part MPs to the Greens, surely
      
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      February 25, 2023 9:53am
      - blue collar
        
        … [Unacceptable -deleted. mod.]
        He’s the best thing to ever happen for ACT .
        
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        February 25, 2023 10:09am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        “there is ‘no doubt’ that Gabrielle is the result of climate change”
        
        For that to be true, you would need to demonstrate that no storm of that magnitude had hit New Zealand between (say) 1500 and 1980. Of course several would have been experienced.
        
        Same in North America. There are records of massive hurricanes betwen the late nineteenth century through to the 1960s.
        
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        February 25, 2023 10:14am
      - H. Upmann
        
        Luxon just doing his job as mole for Green Party, his true political home.
        
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        February 25, 2023 11:04am
      - Colville
        
        Upmann.
        If there was a real Green Party in New Zealand he might have been a member.. but we will never know.
        
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        February 25, 2023 12:19pm
    - artemisia
      
      Mr Luxon inherited a disorderly and leaking caucus. He ordered it successfully, both meanings!
      
      Happen to agree with Ms Pugh, but it’s politics in an election year. Priorities. And the media.
      
      And about the media – I have no doubt opposition parties have a little list …..
      
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      February 25, 2023 10:54am
  - Oskar
    
    Meanwhile here is Karl du Fresne’s take on it all
    http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/02/a-few-thoughts-on-luxon-and-pugh.html
    
    He thinks Luxon is scared of the media and they are playing him like a fiddle
    
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    February 25, 2023 9:46am
    - pdm
      
      Karl du Fresne has two articles on the Pugh beat up. Here is a link to his blog for those that want to read both.
      https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/
      
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      February 25, 2023 9:56am
    - Lee C
      
      IN my view, Luxon comes across as untrustworthy from this.
      
      He acts like a political windsock.
      
      Chris the country needs a thermostat, not a thermometer.
      
      Man up or vacate.
      
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      February 25, 2023 10:40am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Luxon has shit in the nest and is now embarrassed.
        
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        February 25, 2023 11:29am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Yep. He needs to go, simple as that. It’s not too late. Best option by a mile is Seymour. National could eat a bit of humble pie and state that this timeround the PM comes from the minor coalition partner.
        
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        February 25, 2023 11:55am
      - Colville
        
        Luxon should man up and sack Pugh??
        
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        February 25, 2023 12:20pm
      - Jack5
        
        Luxon can beat [Mod – use their name please]. Another mutiny and leadership change in National would keep Labour-Greens in power.
        
        Luxon is right in wanting his MPs focused. The economy and inflation are the key issue. The cyclone has made the economy worse. Its financial pain will linger long after the water and mud have gone.
        
        Global warming is a religious issue. You are a climate-crisis believer or a climate-crisis pagan.
        
        Labour’s State and subsidised media conglomerate are happy when diverting National-ACT MPs into this quasi-religious debate.
        
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        February 25, 2023 12:48pm
      - Jack5
        
        Re: …Luxon can beat [Mod – use their name please].
        
        Okay, but surprised Moderator is using Woke pronoun. Here is his name: Luxon can beat Hipkins.
        
        [Mod – mod is as woke as the coffee allows him to be😜]
        
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        February 25, 2023 1:36pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, but lying about tax in the house, calling members of a stricken community liars, no sweat.
    
    One wonders if perhaps polls are not going well, something stinks now the hit jobs have returned, if things were fine why the return of the hijabs. an article yesterday saying Luxons speech in the house was weak and lacklustre, which was utter bullshit, his speech was very good and telling, it had Hipkins bow his head for it, Luxon, Seymour, Willis and Bishop all had create speeches, all said what I wanted to hear, and all sickened the lacklustre government. But Hipkins lies about tax and that’s fine
    
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    February 25, 2023 11:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dam, it’s paywalled.
  
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  February 25, 2023 8:44am
  - peterwn
    
    Good! That will reduce the number of people reading such trash.
    
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    February 25, 2023 8:50am
  - oldpark
    
    @Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Only because they are desperate for a top up of the Fifty Five Million Dollar handout given to NZs so called Main Stream Media received from Hipkins corrupt Labour Party for many, many, favours to publish stories that puts the boot into National and ACT Parties and hide the truth of the decay and democratic rights of every day hard working NZs. That is just one reason why it is paywalled need the coin .Go Figure .
    
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    February 25, 2023 9:48am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I’m not paying to read satire.
      
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      February 25, 2023 11:26am
- igm
  
  Braunias, a known leeching lefty, look at some of his writing . . . another disgrace to his profession.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:06am
- Lance
  
  Ah yes…
  Steve Braunias who writes one article after another about how things are in West Auckland. He braves going out to the wild West so all the luvvies can read what it is like in that dark hell hole.
  Trouble is the scribblings are 100% shite. Grossly inaccurate and often downright lies, reinforcing rather idiotic stereotypes.
  So based on that evidence, I would doubt anything he writes is even vaguely related to the truth.
  
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  February 25, 2023 11:32am
- thirteenstars
  
  Today or Sunday?
  
  If it’s anything like his parliamentary speech of a few days ago, it’ll be a yawn.
  
  Perhaps David Seymour could give National’s State of the Nation speech. That would give Luxon more time to create reading lists for his backbenchers.
  
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  February 25, 2023 11:51am
- fredonas
  
  “But this morning, Mr Luxon announced a policy that is almost identical to the alternative being promoted by the Taxpayers’ Union. And it’s not just the Taxpayers’ Union – the same alternative model of water governance is backed by the Mayors of Auckland, Christchurch, and 32 local councils!” – from the Taxpayer’s Union email newsletter.
  Also
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/02/25/luxon-national-will-scrap-three-waters-set-strict-water-rules/
  
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  February 25, 2023 12:59pm
G152

Yup.
Maureen Pugh wanted a green to explain itself.
Terrible crime.
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February 25, 2023 8:06am
artemisia

Floods and cyclones – big bucks coming and someone / everyone has to pay one way or another.

There has already been some research done in Australia about possible effect of the Tonga volcanic eruption on severe floods in Victoria and NSW late last year, and believe similar work is to get under way here.

Point being, if there is a level of cause and effect from that catastrophic incident, then that needs to be dealt with differently from a blanket approach to what used to be called AGW before that term became problematic for some reason. It’s called solving the right problem.
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February 25, 2023 8:15am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Correct, and it can only happen when you ask the right questions.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:32am
artemisia

The always-worth-a-glance eugyppius on Substack pokes not so gentle fun at fact checkers. And journalists in general.

World’s most ridiculous fact-checker mistakes a verb for a noun, pens four nonsense paragraphs explaining why Hersh’s Nord Stream reporting must be wrong because explosive seaweed is impossible

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/worlds-most-ridiculous-fact-checker
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February 25, 2023 8:16am
- krazykiwi
  
  Such a good troll of the fact-checker idiot. I love the expression that this person “used both digits of their IQ to …”
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:47am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Hey Where have you been…missed you
    
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    February 25, 2023 2:11pm
Jethrod

Stephen Franks put up an interesting tweet late yesterday afternoon…….
“an obvious ways for NZers to protest this government denial of science would be to not answer the sex and gender questions. if they are going to make stuff up , let them have no foundation for it.”
I support that premise.
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February 25, 2023 8:26am
- JJ56
  
  I think the answer to write in in answer to sexual identity is probably ‘normal’.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:24am
  - Ra Henare
    
    When the sex question is asked(and there is space) I always write occasionally.
    
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    February 25, 2023 11:29pm
- Prince
  
  I’ve had a quick look at my options. Not sure how to avoid the sex question, but I’ll be putting’Unsure’ under other for ethnicity.
  After all, it is a wise man who knows his own father.
  In my view the census should be just a numerical count, not a tool for Govts to ‘target’ and divide people.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:38am
  - pdm
    
    I always tick other and then write in New Zealander for ethnicity.
    
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    February 25, 2023 9:59am
    - pdm
      
      Actually mythnicity is interesting after having a Geneology test.
      
      57.4% Irish, Scottish, and Welsh
      20.4% English
      10.9% East European
      8% Scandavian
      3.3% Finnish
      
      And here I was thinking I was 50% Scottish and 50% English.
      
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      February 25, 2023 10:05am
      - Paulus
        
        In the Census I am having difficulty in that I am deciding whether I want to register as a Maori but cannot decide which Iwi I want belong to.
        Really it is who has the most money that I would join.
        After all the Census caannot be wrong as it is a Government Oganisation.
        I assume that results cannot be moderated like so many things nowadays, like GCSE for example.
        
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        February 25, 2023 10:44am
      - thirteenstars
        
        “Really it is who has the most money that I would join.”
        
        Just write in, Ngati Koha.
        
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        February 25, 2023 11:55am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        My eldest brother, unlike my other two brothers, became a Maori. He called himself Ngai Tahu, as they had the most money.
        
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        February 25, 2023 8:38pm
  - artemisia
    
    Lobby groups need census (free) data for their cause, which is often research paid for by taxpayers. Like the Health Research Council that doesn’t seem keen on funding projects without the required level of ethnic component.
    
    And last time – house mould questions including in your house bigger than a sheet of A4 paper? A group of researchers doing quite well using that data to support their narrative. And lifestyle.
    
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    February 25, 2023 11:37am
    - JJ56
      
      First question to ask before using the census is to ask can we not do this through a much cheaper sample survey? (Declaration of interest, I get a small retainer from Curia /s)
      
      And while the marginal cost of using the census looks low, you very quickly run into problems of reduced compliance and loss of social license (evidenced on this thread) at a cost to the whole census.
      
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      February 25, 2023 12:33pm
Suze Wainwright

Is Ricardo Menendez March still an MP?
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February 25, 2023 8:31am
- Loddenthinks
  
  No idea, but we’re paying him if that’s what you mean.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:33am
- Jack5
  
  … Is Ricardo Menendez March still an MP?
  
  Until the next election in Tijuana.
  
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  February 25, 2023 1:39pm
Bridgenag

This is a good one to read

We are being horribly abused by lies, false propaganda and suppression of the truth
By Doug Brodie

https://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/we-are-being-horribly-abused-by-lies?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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February 25, 2023 8:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  We were “horribly abused by lies, false propaganda and suppression of the truth” for almost 3 years during the “pandemic”
  
  It’s becoming the norm in NZ which is very concerning. Absolutely zero accountability from the media for the many outrageous actions by our political representatives. This latest “re education” of Maureen Pugh just the latest attack on free speech.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:50am
Paulus

I sadly read in the Herald today that such as pensioners are starving as their pensions do not allow anything that they might have once enjoyed.
Minister Woods says that rental property numbers have increased – no proof of course, as my view is that she is veteran liar.
Sadly it is the costs to live eg rentals and other costs of living – food for example that keep going up whereby it is no longer economic to be a rental landlord.
This Government has made it quite ridiculous to own a rental – eg tax changes so those who can least afford it suffer the most – 101 Socialism.
Many of course have never owned a property and the diversivication of what we knew as a family has contributed to their financial plight. Helen Clark and her close colleagues started by destroying the family unit.
It will take generations to correct this as there is no way that a low wage economy and social welfare can help reorientate this in the short term.
Simply too few people actually pay taxes and we continue to lose the better young ones overseas – who can blame them ?
I can only hope that thos who elected this Government think twice at the election, as if they carry on, they will only get the same.
Not sure any possible new incoming Government will have the answers either, as to ameliorate will require drastic action and that will not happen.
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February 25, 2023 8:40am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  “I sadly read in the Herald today that such as pensioners are starving as their pensions do not allow anything that they might have once enjoyed.”
  
  Wednesday the wife and I were at the Whangarei Salvation Army donating what we could. While at Reception awaiting a receipt, an elderly man asked us if we were donating. He was retired and holding a loaf of bread he had received from the Sallies. He explained that he was waiting to receive some laundry powder as his finances prohibited him purchasing same.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:26am
  - Inandout
    
    info, the $50 million pissed into the harbour bridge cycle way could have bought many pensioners decent meals. In some nations wanton waste such as this would see politicians strung up.
    
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    February 25, 2023 9:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is tough on a fixed income. Pension for me, $238 for my partner job seeker allowance. There is really no way a 63 year old can get a job.
    Pensioners are now a liability to the Govt. We built what hey have.
    
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    February 25, 2023 9:57am
    - Inandout
      
      SO, I am aware of one member of my family who was happy to work as a despatch storeman well into his 70s.
      
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      February 25, 2023 10:16am
      - edhunter
        
        Keeping a job, especially after many years of loyal service is not really the problem, the problem is finding someone who’ll give you a shot at a new job when you’re into your 60’s.
        
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        February 25, 2023 10:52am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Don’t tell ‘em how old you are. Remove from your CV the year that you gained any qualifications (you can always present certs once they’ve offered you the job), skip the first 20 years of your employment. Like they’re going to care about that anyway.
        
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        February 25, 2023 7:31pm
  - blue collar
    
    If school kids get free food on the tax payer , why not the elderly ?
    At least the elderly hv paid bloody taxes .
    Keep the pension as it is and sling em a $100 grocery card every week .
    Find the money .
    Sack 20,000 civil servants and shut 10 govt departments starting with women’s affairs and the rights outfit with that [deleted] meng foon in charge . Both divisive and serve no purpose .
    
    [If you continue with the gutter language, I will be deleting further posts. mod.]
    
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    February 25, 2023 10:15am
    - Gravelroad
      
      There was a story on $tuff this am (can’t find it now)
      about a free food outlet in Christchurch and how the demand is increasing.
      A “customer” was interviewed and said he needed the free stuff so that he would have enough money to keep buying his tobacco which was “his right”.
      Another one said (different story) that they had to access free food regularly so they could keep paying for the internet.
      A lot of the (less entitled) older people I know don’t smoke and have never had internet or even a mobile phone in some cases.
      
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      February 25, 2023 10:51am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The elderly get nothing free because they are too old to program, whereas the kids get free food because they are being primed for socialist indoctrination.
      That’s how I see it anyway. The elderly are just a liability.
      We paid for what is 2023 New Zealand.
      
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      February 25, 2023 11:37am
- artemisia
  
  Maybe Minister Woods is correct that rental property numbers are increasing. I wonder who is buying them.
  
  Reserve Bank reports number of investors borrowing for residential property. Average per month:
  
  2020 3,529
  2021 3,145
  2022 1,860
  
  Pattern?
  
  Maybe those investors are cashed up and pivoting to new builds – they have better tax treatment these days. Two more numbers. New builds for sale on Trademe up more than 150% since the start of 2022. Construction firms going under – said to be in the hundreds.
  
  Number of construction workers headed over the ditch? Unknown.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:31am
  - Colville
    
    Borrowing for rentals is no longer tax deductible.
    So they will be borrowing for another deductible purpose and buying a rental.
    
    …Family Trust owes me $2mil = borrows to repay debt = Colville buys rental = rental is company owned.**
    
    **Note. Example only .. I fu*king hate domestic rentals.
    
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    February 25, 2023 10:54am
Southern Raider

Reason #783 why Unions don’t care about educating kids

Schools have been closed more week days so far this month than open due to storms, cyclones, floods, teacher only day and public holidays

What do Unions do to help this? Organise a stop work meeting during school time to discuss pay
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February 25, 2023 8:41am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Speaking of unions, teachers union are threatening with strikes, that’s good in election year
  
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  February 25, 2023 11:23am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Eagle 2. US Airforce has receiver 2 of an order of 8 F-12EX Planes.
Trump delivers, Whitehouse silent. It’s a wonder Joe didn’t wipe this, but knowing Trump’s deals he probably couldn’t. Have to hand it to Trump, when it comes to deals and negotiation, he seems to know what he is doing.
https://patriotunitednews.com/trump-deal-finally-came-to-fruition-media-white-house-silent/
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February 25, 2023 8:51am
- virtualmark
  
  ?
  
  The USAF ordered 8 F-15EX in 2020, when Trump was President. In the 2 years since Biden became President they’ve ordered a further 136.
  
  So Biden didn’t wipe this. Or even attempt to wipe this.
  
  Maybe … just hear me out here, ’cause this is quite a radical thought … just maybe defence appropriations happen irregardless of who the President is, and mainly reflect when kit is ready for production rather than who’s sitting in the Oval Office?
  
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  February 25, 2023 3:34pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    F-15’s ? Old gear, but updated and a very versatile aircraft.
    Maybe they’re headed to Ukraine – they’re not that expensive compared to FA18s — F32’s, and being older, Ukraine pilots are probably faimiliar with them & don’t need time-expensive training.
    
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    February 25, 2023 4:10pm
    - virtualmark
      
      The -EX is a bit like Grandpa’s axe … looks the same from the outside but has been completely rebuilt with up-to-date stuff on the inside. Great plane for their role. Can carry a huge load over long distances. Would struggle in hotly contested airspace today, but perfect for homeland defence or in theatres where you’ve already suppressed air defences.
      
      All the talk re Ukraine is of F-16s, not F-15s. Simpler lighter plane with a lower logistic footprint.
      
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      February 25, 2023 4:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump in Ohio following toxic chemical leak, Biden in Ukraine.
“Mr. President, what is your message to Joe Biden before you leave?”
“Get over here,” Trump quipped. Biden Admin seems to not give a shit about real Americans.
https://valiantnews.com/2023/02/get-over-here-trump-taunts-biden-for-snubbing-ohio-to-tour-ukraine/
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February 25, 2023 8:56am
- Cassandra
  
  Biden going to Ukraine was important; he can’t be in two places at once. This is ridiculous criticism. Ohio is also important. But is it more important than Ukraine? Not to me.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:34am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    Ukraine is a distraction but also a fantastic money maker for Biden’s backers.
    
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    February 25, 2023 9:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      With Ukraine deals, don’t forget the 10% for the Big Guy.
      He will be donkey deep into the funding.
      
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      February 25, 2023 11:40am
    - virtualmark
      
      Which backers are we talking about here? I’m all ears.
      
      Simple question: Do you think helping Ukraine defend itself against Russia is a righteous cause? Yes or no.
      
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      February 25, 2023 3:36pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mark,
        Supplying weapons is a big part, but the cash funding is corruption. 10% for the big guy is real. Joe is donkey deep in this.
        Every wonder how Politicians become millionaires/billionaires even on that salary?
        The American people have been an ATM for decades.
        
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        February 25, 2023 4:05pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Steve, if “10% for the big guy” is real then impeach or indict Biden.
        
        But maybe, just maybe, it’s a made up saying with no basis. The chain of custody of the supposed Hunter Biden laptop is so f#*%!d up that you cannot, should not, trust any of it. Yes there are authentic emails on it. But there are also fabricated emails on it, too. And no one can confirm the authenticity of the ones the right wing is using as “proof”.
        
        That is why the mainstream media have never touched the Hunter laptop story. Even Fox News wouldn’t touch the story. (Fox News as in the news side, not Fox News as in the Tucker/Hannity “we’re not journalists” side).
        
        In the end the New York Post couldn’t get any of their veteran journalists to put their name to a Hunter Biden laptop story so they got Hannity’s former producer (who’s now at Breitbart) to put her name to it. And note she’s never put her name to any other story in any credible media. All of which just deepened the credibility gap.
        
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        February 25, 2023 4:38pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Oh, and note that nearly all of the $ the US has committed to Ukraine are being spent in the US, to manufacture new weapons to replace the ones the US military has donated from old stocks.
        
        If you want a conspiracy theory then I’d go with “the real winner from the US support for Ukraine is the military-industrial complex”.
        
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        February 25, 2023 4:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The US is in a proxy war with Russia. The bloody Warmongers love it.
    Why give away so much when your citizen suffer?
    MAGA. Trump 2024.
    
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    February 25, 2023 10:02am
    - virtualmark
      
      Why give away so much when your citizens suffer?
      
      Reason 1: Because defending Ukraine is defending democracy against aggression.
      
      Reason 2: Because defending Ukraine now is cheaper than defending the Baltics in a few years time.
      
      Reason 3: Because you are neutralising the military strength of one of your two key geopolitical rivals at no cost of American lives, and at a financial cost that is a rounding error in your military budget.
      
      Question: Why citizen suffering are you wound up about?
      
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      February 25, 2023 3:39pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        One question,
        If the US want this stopped, why are American troops not on the ground using all of that American equipment and money – and just end it?
        I just know your answer, it starts with “W” – prove me wrong.
        
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        February 25, 2023 4:09pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Who says the US wants this stopped?
        
        If I’m the US I want Ukraine to slowly and persistently drain Russia’s military strength and economy for as long as possible. I want to cripple my rival so thoroughly and deeply that it takes them more than a generation to rebuild.
        
        Sure, that might cost more Ukrainian lives. But I’m gonna put on my big-boy pants and say that’s tough for Ukraine but I’m getting what I want.
        
        I thought you guys were all about “America first”?
        
        And no idea what you mean by “W”.
        
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        February 25, 2023 4:44pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        If I’m the US I want Ukraine to slowly and persistently drain Russia’s military strength and economy for as long as possible.
        
        A number of problems with that objective.
        
        First is that the West is taking damage as well, far more so than expected.
        
        Second, given how weak Russia and its military have been shown to be by this invasion, I don’t think they mattered anywhere near as much as China.
        
        Third, the USA doesn’t have much to show for a number of recent wars that lasted a long time and reached a negotiated end, all the way back to Vietnam and ending with Afghanistan. It’s more than three decades since the US had a solid win, and even then the result was more ambiguous than desired. I’m not keen on another decade-long+ war costing cumulative hundreds of billions or perhaps even trillions by the time it’s done.
        
        Back in the days of the Cold War I supported this sort of thing precisely to weaken the USSR – but Russia is a shadow of that. China is, if anything, more powerful than the USSR were.
        
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        February 25, 2023 5:34pm
      - virtualmark
        
        What real damage is the West taking? Oil prices spiked, but are now back to pre-Feb 2022 prices. New arrangements will provide energy security of supply going forward. Anything else is minor and tolerable.
        
        The best parallel is the USA’s military aid to Israel, not the US involvement in Vietnam or Afghanistan. There’s no US feet on the ground, no steady drip of US casualties.
        
        But the chance to cripple Russia’s military for just a hundred billion USD pa is a no-brainer.
        
        Meanwhile China is surely having to re-calculate its thoughts on Taiwan. Surely they’ve seen the West’s strategy of slowly choking and eroding Russia’s strength and economy. Surely they’ve noticed the West’s willingness to use sanctions. Surely they know their own vulnerability to a naval blockade of their energy imports and raw materials. Surely they can see the West ramping up military production to better support wars of attrition. They have to be weighing up whether invading Taiwan would be worth the long-term cost to their economy.
        
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        February 25, 2023 6:27pm
      - Clownworld
        
        1. Ukraine persecuted their own people from 2014 onwards, bombing them domestically. Democracy? Removing all media except the govt sponsored one. Democracy? Banning languages, silencing the Russian Orthodox church leaders. Democracy? Well maybe this new Democracy is really just a totalitarian state.
        
        2. Speculation.
        
        3. Antagonizing a super nuclear power is not helping. Just like Libya, the Arab Spring, WMD in Iraq etc etc , if proxy wars are good.
        
        On balance The Prince of Rosha aka Putin is up to no good. Wait till the military real conflict moves to Syria then Israel.
        
        If the prolonged strategy is simply to deplete Russia, think again it is a terrible strategy.
        
        If that strategy fails either Russia calls in help from China, Iran and Co or simply uses nuclear. How is that worth the so called intelligence?
        
        What about simply limiting lives lost by pushing for peace?
        
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        February 25, 2023 11:46pm
  - Lee C
    
    I guess we know where you’ll be spending your vacation at least.
    
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    February 25, 2023 10:42am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Trump goes, and Butteguge turns up the next day saying he should have been here sooner
  
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  February 25, 2023 11:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3 weeks sooner.
    
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    February 25, 2023 11:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg appears in Ohio 3 weeks after the accident.
Chickenarse shit would not go while Trump was there. The Transport Press Secretary did not like the cameras. They were on Public Land – quite legal. Oma Rapeti.

https://valiantnews.com/2023/02/buttigieg-visits-east-palestine-day-after-trump-dodges-questions-from-independent-media/
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- Inandout
  
  SO, I watched a lot of that visit by Pete and what struck me is that beside his political spin he has the same possum in the headlights look as our PM. There is no footage of Pete hugging anyone and his 7am visit was mentioned as merely to escape locals attending his photo fest. Non MSM news show he was given a hard time by people in the crowd but of course he didn’t hang around long before he climbed aboard his black people mover vehicle.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is that deadpan face look, while they quickly think up a lie or a deflection.
    When I see it I am thinking “Wait for it, what the fuck is he going to say next?”
    
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    February 25, 2023 10:04am
Ghost

Is Andrew innocent?

A source told RadarOnline.com “The outline of Virginia’s memoir has been shopped for years. The problem is that every major US publisher has seen various iterations of it – and some of the material has been cut, other elements added.

“It’s not a consistent story. This presents very serious legal challenges for anyone. At least one major publisher which considered printing it had no choice but to tell her, ‘thanks, but no thanks.’”

Giuffre claimed the manuscript was “99 per cent true”, though her lawyers admitted some was “fictionalised” and she later confirmed a two-night liaison with the Duke in New Mexico had never happened.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/prince-andrews-accuser-virginia-giuffre-cant-find-publisher-for-book-memoir-over-legal-fears/OGOKLWPJ2RE4XO2NGPHD7JYR7I/
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February 25, 2023 9:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Randy Andy is as innocent as Bill and Hillary Clinton.
  And all of the pedos in Hollywood.
  
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  February 25, 2023 10:09am
Tomtoddy

I have tried hard not to fall prey to some of the many conspiracy theories in circulation. It is not that I think they are all wrong – it’s the problem of knowing what sources are accurate and truthful and which are embellished or plain wrong. Even some so-called fact checkers are flat out untrue or biased.

When I read this story, for example, what should I believe? https://criticallythinking.substack.com/p/federal-agencies-again-resist-a-likely?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

It seems really soundly based and substantiated. Are there other elements to the story that are missing? Be interested in hearing opinions from those who have followed the Covid issues more closely. It is easy to just believe the USA Government had little interest in cures, remedies, solutions. Why are there not more honest and concerned doctors speaking out? Where is the revolt?
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February 25, 2023 9:17am
- krazykiwi
  
  “ Why are there not more honest and concerned doctors speaking out?”
  
  Simple: Most have debts and/or lifestyles that would not sustain being sacked. They are financially captured, in the same way the regulatory agencies – FDA, CDC, NIH et al – have been captured by the pharmaceutical industry.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:55am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Our NZDSOS do a pretty good job locally. Give them a try. (NZ Doctors Speaking Out on Science).
    
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    February 25, 2023 12:00pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’m currently reading Dr Peter McCulloch’s book
  
  THE COURAGE TO FACE COVID-19: Preventing Hospitalization and Death While Battling the Bio-Pharmaceutical Complex
  
  The amount of suppression of information and potential treatments for this respiratory illness is criminal. None of what has happened was a “mistake” or “accident”.
  
  I’m halfway through the book. To say my trust in health authorities has been destroyed would be an understatement. Sadly I now view everything they say as potentially a lie and everything they recommend as a potential threat.
  
  Well played Bloomfield, Ardern, Hipkins, Baker, Wiles, Hendy etc etc etc. You have done phenomenal damage to this country that will take decades to repair.
  
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  February 25, 2023 11:47am
  - Don Beckett
    
    I was at my Doctors yesterday for an appointment to check my rare latest affliction (Polymyalgia Rheumatica – are fairly common, not well understood affliction in some people over 50 )
    We often chat quite openly, and I comment that the treatment/information by the government over Covid – with the NZ Medical Society ? in full agreement mode has left me with very little trust at all in our medical professionals.
    He didn’t say anything, but with a bit of grin on his face, lifted hid eyebrows in agreement. He then said there are many people in the establishment and information he would not trust.
    Go figure. I suspect there are many like him.
    
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    February 25, 2023 12:08pm
    - Albie
      
      I was diagnosed with the same condition 5 years ago. Public health in Counties Manukau have been fantastic in setting appointments with specialists and follow up. Trouble is, no cure except to take fairly heavy drugs which I’m not willing to at this stage.
      
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      February 25, 2023 1:41pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Albie, they’ve got me on prednizone, which is a steroid based medication. It has been around for donkeys years, and with time limitations is a very effective remedy. I’ve been on it 3 days, and I am half way back to normal already, although they say minimum 3 weeks, normally 1 – 6 months CAN give full recovery – so I’m happy to go along with it. At 81years old, and still plenty of work & life left in me, I want to get it out of my way if at all possible. It is otherwise quite debilitating, I have found, particularly with the brain fog & vertigo.
        
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        February 25, 2023 4:16pm
- mawm
  
  Tom – read the link to McCullough.
  
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  February 25, 2023 3:15pm
Widogast Corwin

AFAIK the USA is the only jurisdiction pushing COVID vaccines for infants 6 months and older.

Now several months down the track, only 12 percent of these kids have been vaccinated. Now the health authorities are acting all shocked at the low vaccination rates. 😂

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-21/children-under-5-covid-19-vaccinations
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February 25, 2023 9:17am
- Lucia Maria
  
  They have been approved for at risk babies here in NZ as well. True, they are not being pushed. But some people are bringing their babies in to get them.
  
  14 infant first doses here as of 11:59 PM 21 Feb.*
  
  * Page gets updated, use Wayback Engine to get pages as of points in time.
  
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  February 25, 2023 3:17pm
Chris Nisbet

Let’s say that we manage to rid ourselves of fossil fuels in the next few years (we won’t).
Where will all the products we make with those fossil fuels and the derivatives of fossil fuels come from?
Will we be expected to do without these products?
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February 25, 2023 9:29am
- sirknz
  
  No Mr. Bond, they expect us to die.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:43am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Most fertiliser is made from natural gas. If we stop making that, billions will die.
    
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    February 25, 2023 10:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Gert Frobe as Auric Goldfinger.
    
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    February 25, 2023 10:21am
- Prince
  
  China.
  
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  February 25, 2023 9:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  @Chris. We will somehow make those products from all of the trees that Greens want planted.
  
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  February 25, 2023 10:23am
I remember when

EV Sales: Market Index.
China accounted for 59% of all EV Sales through 2022.
Global average approaching 15% for EV share of auto market.
China and Europe share both sitting at 25%.
2022 sales around 10.45 million vehicles.
2023 sales expected to be around 14 million.
Incentives for EV manufacture and purchase are stronger in Europe, particularly compared with Australia, UK or America.
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February 25, 2023 9:51am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  People in the United States drive a lot. It is about 30000 km average. Which means many folk are doing double that.
  
  200 km commutes are common.
  
  That is a barrier to EV uptake in the USA, given petrol is so cheap.
  
  Same story in Australia, to a somewhat less extent.
  
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  February 25, 2023 10:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    US has the freeways/motorways for that 200km commute.
    Here it takes me 90 min to get from the Shore to the Bombays.
    
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    February 25, 2023 11:47am
blue collar

Outrage over Andrew banging a 17 year old ….. I’m sorry ….. might break USA law but I just don’t care .
It’s 16 here , it’s friggin 13 in Japan .
He shagged a 17 year old , big bloody deal.
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February 25, 2023 10:20am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  The age of consent in most USA states is 16 or 17. Weirdly it is 18 in California.
  
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  February 25, 2023 10:40am
  - Lee C
    
    So you can sex an 18 year old in California as long as you do it weirdly?
    
    Strange place.
    
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    February 25, 2023 10:44am
    - Paulus
      
      Strange Place America – but only if you have money !
      
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      February 25, 2023 10:53am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  BTW I don’t think that it is alleged that Andrew acted illegally because she was 17. It is the fact that he should have concluded that the whole set up with these girls was dodgy at best and sex trafficking at worse.
  
  At the very least a middle aged man in his position having sex with a 17 year old shows terrible judgement.
  
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  February 25, 2023 10:44am
  - Lee C
    
    Such is the politics of envy.
    
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    February 25, 2023 10:45am
- Paulus
  
  Prince Andrew and many other prominent very wealthy men round the world took advantage of the sevices provided, not only by Guiffre over a number 0f many years but many others – including 18 flights we are told by Clinton to the emerald special island.
  It is still the oldest profession in the world too !
  
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  February 25, 2023 10:52am
- Inandout
  
  bc, you would think a royal would be well aware of honey traps and Epstein’s dodgy reputation. The sexual urge is indeed strong.
  
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  February 25, 2023 11:03am
  - blue collar
    
    Ok mod .
    [Mod – deleted. You’re welcome to start up your own blog, or follow the rules here ]
    
    If we can’t speak derogatorily about someone , then what’s the point of a blog ?
    
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    February 25, 2023 4:10pm
  - blue collar
    
    In and out , you would eh ….I find the royals extremely gone deaf and ignorant st times , enlightened in others . Weird family .
    
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    February 25, 2023 4:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The was much much more than sex with young girls on Little St James Island.
  Hollywood is freaking out as are the high ups in the Judiciary, Property men.
  Don’t forget there were 3 planes and 4 helicopters. Can’t tell me the Pilots did not know about Maxwell sex trafficking kids. Pedos from all walks of life were there.
  Epstein did not kill himself. He was taken out.
  
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  February 25, 2023 11:59am
  - blue collar
    
    Totally agree steveo ! I wonder if it will ever come out . Someone , somewhere ….
    
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    February 25, 2023 4:14pm
Surely Knott

If a pay gap is evidence of discrimination, then how do we explain the gay pay gap, which has gay men working full time earning 10% more than straight men?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_wage_gap
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February 25, 2023 10:41am
Yvette

In host David Farrar’s two posts just before this General Debate –

• Archdeacon says he didn’t know he wasn’t meant to have an affair with a women he married six months earlier!, and –
• No consequence for driving when suspended

– are, in deed. these two posts related – one illegal riding with penalty to be paid, but the other apparently not?
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February 25, 2023 10:56am
Ghost

It’s ok, we’re used to labour ignoring advice and doing what ever they want

Forestry Minister Stuart Nash says Government won’t be bound by recommendations from inquiry into slash

“The bottom line is we have listened,” Nash replied. “I completely accept that things need to change, I accept that. Ten thousand Tairāwhiti residents signed a petition, the people of Gisborne want this to change as well.”

However, the Minister said forestry is an incredibly important industry for the region and is part of the solution.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/02/cyclone-gabrielle-forestry-minister-stuart-nash-says-government-won-t-be-bound-by-recommendations-from-inquiry-into-slash.html
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February 25, 2023 11:38am
- Hollyfield
  
  Nash’s comments won’t help Labour’s re-election chances, people are angry at the lack of action.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcAK2e6PA1Q
  
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  February 25, 2023 11:47am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/300814579/the-sordid-history-behind-the-basin-reserves-wakefield-memorial
What a surprise !
More people wanting to deny or rewrite NZ history, or who cannot help but hate the white settlers.
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February 25, 2023 11:42am
- rouppe
  
  I s going to post about this too.
  
  These people disgust me.
  
  Do they talk about the murderer, thief and slaver Te Rauparaha? There’s whole buildings dedicated to him in Porirua.
  
  What about the statue to Kupe on the waterfront? He was also a known slaver.
  
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  February 25, 2023 11:47am
  - oldfella
    
    rouppe: but Kupe was a brown slaver. Not an evil whitey. //
    
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    February 25, 2023 11:59am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Theree’s still slavery going on in North Africa and parts of Asia.
      But its okay because they are Black people and mainly Muslims.
      More special people.
      
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      February 25, 2023 12:15pm
- oldfella
  
  greybeard: how long till the Wakefield monument is first defaced, followed by calls for it to be demolished?
  
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  February 25, 2023 11:58am
- MCōs
  
  Are you defending the Wakefields?
  There is no ‘rewriting’ of history going on here. Their activities have been know about for a long time.
  
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  February 25, 2023 1:16pm
  - greybeard
    
    Then why has it suddenly become a problem?
    
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    February 25, 2023 1:26pm
    - MCōs
      
      It’s always been a problem.
      
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      February 25, 2023 2:11pm
  - Dave
    
    Sure, it is not a rewriting of history, but it is a silencing of history when monuments and statues are torn down, as some are proposing for the Wakefield monument. One doesn’t have to defend the person in order to defend the monument.
    
    Instead, add a plaque giving a balanced view of the person. If Wakefield’s behaviour was problematic, put it on the plaque, but do that with monuments to other historical figures such as Te Rauparaha; otherwise, it does look like selectively rewriting history.
    
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    February 25, 2023 2:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Email from Taxpayer’s Union.
Major development in our effort to scrap Nanaia Mahuta’s Three Waters.
Extracts:
In the last hour, Christopher Luxon has delivered a major speech in Blenheim and launched a policy paper setting out ‘National’s alternative’ to Labour’s Three Waters.

But this morning, Mr Luxon announced a policy that is almost identical to the alternative being promoted by the Taxpayers’ Union. And it’s not just the Taxpayers’ Union – the same alternative model of water governance is backed by the Mayors of Auckland, Christchurch, and 32 local councils.

I am not going to copy the whole lot. Join the Taxpayer’s Union.
This 3 Waters and Co-Governance has to be killed for our own good.
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February 25, 2023 12:16pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yep, Mahuta Corp shares have hit rock bottom. //
  
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  February 25, 2023 12:21pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Fantastic from the Taxpayers’ Union who have done the heavy lifting on this issue and brought many kicking and screaming to a sense of reality. Goes to show when someone has the courage to stand up and lead, it inspires many, and shames others who should have had the wherewithal to stand up in the first place.
  
  Ditto for the Free Speech Union.
  
  Fuller version from the Taxpayers’ Union email:
  
  Last year, we fielded hundreds of questions during our nationwide ‘Stop Three Waters’ roadshow from supporters concerned whether we could trust a National government to put assets back into local control and scrap unaccountable, so-called ‘co-governance’ arrangements. It took until the roadshow meeting of a packed hall in Tauranga for the National Party’s Three Waters Spokesman to commit that National’s replacement to Three Waters would not have ‘co-governance’. Mr Luxon made the same commitment a few weeks later.
  
  But this morning, Mr Luxon announced a policy that is almost identical to the alternative being promoted by the Taxpayers’ Union. And it’s not just the Taxpayers’ Union – the same alternative model of water governance is backed by the Mayors of Auckland, Christchurch, and 32 local councils!
  
  Today’s announcement means there is now consensus not only against Three Waters – but on the alternative reform to improve water quality and affordability.
  
  We’ve got the public, the councils, and now the opposition on board. There is just one more person to convince…
  
  Chris Hipkins is now the last man standing who still supports Three Waters. He has promised to ‘refocus’ the reforms, but unless we keep the pressure on, a refocus will simply be a rebranding exercise.
  
  Welcome to the party, National.
  
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  February 25, 2023 12:45pm
  - Ghost
    
    National have been fighting 3 waters since labour invented it. Only new thing is they have released their policy on it
    
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    February 25, 2023 12:49pm
    - MCōs
      
      They have to get approval from ACT first.
      
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      February 25, 2023 1:11pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Bullshit
        
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        February 25, 2023 9:14pm
Chuck Bird

Below is a link to Luxon’s speech to the Blue/Greens.
I copied Muller’s reply to me. I suggest others comment.

https://www.facebook.com/NZNATS/videos/1117192249681818
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February 25, 2023 12:23pm
- thirteenstars
  
  The Three Waters part of the speech was good. Better late than never. But Luxon reiterated National’s full-in commitment to Net Zero and Paris, commitments which are at odds with growth and reductions in the cost of living.
  
  Luxon waffled about being a “good global citizen”. Well, bugger that when China, India and half the world couldn’t give a damn about it. So we pay–and have no meaningful effect–while they grow and prosper.
  
  You can’t have your cake and eat it, too. National seems to think you can. Glad to see them releasing a sane policy–which it not actually original to them–but it’s a disgrace to commit Kiwis to anti-growth environmental targets while our major trading partner has a good laugh at our expense.
  
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  February 25, 2023 1:13pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You do realise he is just continuing what Bars signed, if it’s party policy, then what is he to do ?
    
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    February 25, 2023 9:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Summary of East Palestine, Ohio.
The people are a bit unhappy.
https://libertyonenews.com/ohio-mom-calls-out-bidens-response-to-train-disaster/
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February 25, 2023 12:26pm
oldfella

I just signed up to chatGPT to take it for a test drive and find out what the fuss was all about.
For fun, I asked it to rewrite the TOW as a rap — which it did, without even a pause…

Yo, let me break it down for you
With a story ’bout a treaty that’s long overdue
It all went down in eighteen forty
In Aotearoa, the land of the Maori

The Treaty of Waitangi was signed that day
Between the Maori chiefs and the Brits, they say
It guaranteed the rights of the Maori people
To their land, their culture, and all that’s equal

But things got tricky, things got rough
As the Brits tried to take more than enough
They didn’t honor the treaty as they should
Leaving the Maori feeling misunderstood

At which point I stopped the test and went for a coffee and some headache pills. Sheesh. //
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February 25, 2023 12:28pm
- Parnell Gun Club
  
  There you go then. Who needs the Supreme Court? Tell all those judges to pack up their shit and clear off.
  
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  February 25, 2023 5:10pm
Ghost

About two decades ago I became friends with a vet who also talked of “UFOs” turning off the silo he was stationed in. Hmmm.

TWO Air Force vets have testified to Pentagon’s UFO office about seeing mysterious objects TURN OFF ten nuclear warheads and blast test missiles out of the sky at US bases

The Pentagon’s UFO office is investigating historic reports of mysterious objects interfering with key nuclear missile silos.

Two Air Force veterans told DailyMail.com they have testified to the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) this month about their experiences of UFOs interfering with US nuclear missiles.

One email shows AARO staff contacted former US Air Force ICBM launch officer Robert Salas to gather information about his chilling encounter with an orange flying disc that inexplicably turned off 10 warheads at Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana in 1967.

And another former officer, Dr. Robert Jacobs, has briefed AARO on a 35mm film he shot for the Air Force in 1964 that allegedly caught a flying saucer shooting a test missile out of the sky.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11776067/Air-Force-vets-testified-witnessing-UFOs-TURN-nuclear-warheads.html
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February 25, 2023 12:47pm
- Jack5
  
  Captain Eric Brown, Britain’s greatest naval pilot and one of its top test pilots, had an interesting account with something above the air base he commanded in Britain in 1956:
  
  https://drdavidclarke.co.uk/2016/02/22/1745/
  
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  February 25, 2023 5:00pm
Gravelroad

Nice to see that “the Chiefs’ coach was wrapped to roll into Christchurch” for the rugby game against the Crusaders. – according to Stuff reporter Robert Van Royen.
What was he wrapped in?
Roll of toilet paper? A towel? Chiefs flag? Leftover wrapping from Christmas?
Is it too much to expect our esteemed providers of truth and accuracy in the media to actually use the correct word occasionally?
I would be rapt if they did.
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February 25, 2023 12:53pm
- MCōs
  
  Let’s not be so pedantic on this joyous occasion.
  
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  February 25, 2023 1:08pm
  - graham
    
    Really? You think calling out a glaring error by someone who gets paid to write for a living is being “pedantic”?
    
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    February 25, 2023 4:01pm
Swifty

Phil Ure has an American counterpart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIbtmK_aNs8
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February 25, 2023 1:06pm
rouppe

Luxon’s statement on Three Waters actually mirrors a lot of what I’ve said privately.

Set standards for water quality and infrastructure. In the short term at least mandate a minimum spend or %spend on core infrastructure. I wouldn’t limit it to water infrastructure but also roads, for example.

If the individual council is unable to do the job, get in proper engineers to do the job.

This way the council then has to be up front about what else they’re spending money on. They can no longer hide spending on rainbow crossings under “depreciation” which is how many other things were funded.

It will then become apparent when the council asks for a 15% rates rise that actually they could cut things that aren’t strictly necessary.

I see a similar trend with the Kapa Haka thing going on at the moment. “We deserve/need/want more money, because this is important! We know its important because of the million people that come to see it!”

Well if a million people come to see it, charge them $2 and there’s your $2 Million funding. $10 and you have funding for Africa
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February 25, 2023 1:44pm
Maggie Pie

Poor ol’ Sean often comes in for a lot of online abuse 🙁

But this dweeb doesn’t even know the diff between “Your” and…..”You’re”

LOL!!

https://twitter.com/SeanPlunket/status/1629264395493683200
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February 25, 2023 1:48pm
- Ghost
  
  2 second google and you see who peter’s mate is
  
  https://twitter.com/hrhtamaki/status/1290720954104942594
  
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  February 25, 2023 1:53pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    A man of the cloth no less 😎
    
    And I see this reply as well…..
    
    https://twitter.com/un_wellington/status/1629270380392366085
    
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    February 25, 2023 2:07pm
kevn

@Maggie… Thank you our resident twitter Queen, now joined on KB by a twitter King.
We are indeed lucky.
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February 25, 2023 2:21pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Honestly Kev, join up!
  It’ll be the best 11 bucks a month you’ve ever spent 😀
  
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  February 25, 2023 2:28pm
kevn

@Maggie… Twitter has become quite the entertainment site. Musk did it.
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February 25, 2023 2:55pm
coge

I’ll stick with our jaunty little V6.

Didn’t have to get into bed with Govt edict, burden my fellow taxpayers, or be a steadfast believer to get behind the wheel!
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February 25, 2023 4:04pm
Maggie Pie

Any of the fam here think fines for not wearing a seatbelt in a quite residential street are a f**ing joke?

Just had a call from a bestie at tennis. Telling me she was heading home after our game this morning and got flashed by an unmarked cop coming towards her up Portland Rd and ordered to pull over!
She guessed why it was and immediately pulled her belt over then sat there and waited.

The cop (a pom as it turned out) wasn’t having a bar of it. Told her he had her on camera, took all her details and said she would be issued an infringement-notice for $150 🙁

As Prue said, “show me one instance in the last 20 years where its been reported someone has been killed in Remuera because the weren’t wearing a seatbelt?” That’s a very good question.
TBH I never wear mine either…. but both times I’ve been pinged I’ve managed to talk my way out it.
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February 25, 2023 4:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A different World these days. 60s 70s never worried about seat belts.
  Now it is like a gun (Alaska) – chambering a round when there is trouble coming is a bit like trying to put a seatbelt on when your accident is 7 seconds ahead.
  I was always against it being forced. Wearing a crash helmet on a motorcycle only if going more than 30mph. Yep, that hurt me a bit, but arms mainly.
  
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  February 25, 2023 4:36pm
- Ghost
  
  I knew someone back in the 80s, wasn’t wearing a seat belt, rolled the car and end up dying pinned under his car. All passengers were wearing them and survived.
  
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  February 25, 2023 4:43pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    What street in Remuera was that?
    
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    February 25, 2023 4:54pm
    - MCōs
      
      What difference does it make?
      
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      February 25, 2023 8:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Lap belts only?
    
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    February 25, 2023 5:16pm
greybeard

Rain saves England…….
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February 25, 2023 5:02pm
- Prince
  
  If Blundell and Southee can hang around for a few more minutes we will have the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th top scores of the match.
  
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  February 25, 2023 5:19pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Which golf courses have invited the English team to play on Monday and/or Tuesday.
    
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    February 25, 2023 8:44pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION 🙁

Would it be fair to say that after 5 years with Jacinda Ardern as NZ’s Prime Minister….this would have to be one of her greatest achievements?

https://twitter.com/_rawhiti/status/1628714909994487808

Every night now we lock the gates, secure the property, then open a cheeky little French Chablis.
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February 25, 2023 5:45pm
- Ghost
  
  I watched little bits of Matatini, was surprised at how few people were there
  
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  February 25, 2023 5:56pm
  - MCōs
    
    I think people come and go depending who’s on stage.
    
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    February 25, 2023 8:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What an upset little girl throwing a tantrum. She will be Prime Minister one day
  
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  February 25, 2023 6:14pm
Ghost

Great to see other staff come running to her rescue, but umm, what are the two police doing apart from nothing?

Video shows moment deputies say Florida teacher’s aide is knocked unconscious by student upset she took Switch

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/video-shows-moment-florida-teachers-aid-knocked-unconscious-by-alleged-student-upset-she-took-his-switch
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February 25, 2023 6:06pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  It’s sick that the police treat this person so nicely after what he did and then for him to accuse the cops of manhandling him!
  
  I’m glad we don’t live there.
  
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  February 25, 2023 6:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lots of Huge Jarses there!
  The one with the black pants and pink top was pathetic. How can you get an arse that noticeable?
  
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  February 25, 2023 6:28pm
info@cruzpro.com

When you contribute financially to Act, National the Free Speach movement, NZDSOS, etc. you become free game for ever increasing requests to donate more.

How about telling us what you actually accomplished with the donations my wife and I have already made to you for your cause before asking for more?

Tell us where you spent the money and what you actually accomplished.
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February 25, 2023 7:26pm
RdM

I made a meme from the Tui Meme Generator.
https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/32699420/Tui
I’m too cheap to pay them, so it has a watermark.
I haven’t yet put it anywhere else.
A late last night beer and whisky inspiration.

https://imgbox.com/4quB4XFu

~ RdM
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February 25, 2023 8:00pm
Ghost

This is just fear porn now. We’re watching something that may or may not form into a cyclone and if it does we don’t know where it will go……

Meteorologists are closely monitoring a weather system near Fiji which has the potential to turn into another tropical cyclone.

But MetService said it is too early to know whether that would happen, and if New Zealand will be affected.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/metservice-closely-monitoring-tropical-low-near-fiji-that-could-develop-into-cyclone-next-week/DUOVR4VN45HLFANN4PEP46R2BA/
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February 25, 2023 8:08pm
- Prince
  
  I think TVNZ should add a segment to their weather bulleting.
  Kind uncle Chippie could come on and point to any potential trouble spots over the next week or so, and dampen any ‘unsubstantiated rumours’ that run counter to the ninth floor narrative.
  
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The daughter of former Whanganui MP Chester Borrows, who has been diagnosed with terminal cancer, says the family have been called to his bedside after his health “deteriorated considerably”.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-mp-chester-borrows-battling-terminal-cancer-family-called-to-bedside/MPH7NSKWX5EVFONNM2NO5G7TNI/
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