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Warren

It looks and seems like this Labour Government want to cause disharmony and piss most New Zealander’s off with there policy push before the next Election.
The fact that they can’t control the population with Covid-19 rules anymore so they are coming up with draconian policies to silence and control New Zealander’s. While there is a need for our alcohol laws to be addressed the Government and Green Party really are on course toturn some of this legislation into a dictatorship, we now also have been informed that the Government is also going ahead with hate speech laws to shut down free speech.
Now we hear that most roads in New Zealand are not fit to drive on at the speed limits that are in place with a push from the Ministry of Transport wanting them lowered, this to go with Three Waters and Co- Governance does not sound like we are in for a pleasant 2023.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/exclusive-map-shows-unsafe-road-speed-limits-across-new-zealand.html
This is becoming more like a dictatorship from this Government than whats good for New Zealand and it should be sending a message to all New Zealander’s that these changes could affect Generations to come.
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October 31, 2022 8:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tyranny
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:14am
- Benedict Yu
  
  If they reduce open road speed limits to 80 there will be a shit fight. There are times on 100 limited roads that I drive at less than the speed limit. The road might be narrow or it is raining heavily. Drive to the conditions.
  
  But an 80 limit on long, straight Canterbury roads? Bullshit. In fine weather, 110 kmh is perfectly safe.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:17am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Drivers going 5-10kms BELOW the speed limit are far more dangerous than drivers going 5-10kms over the limit.
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:40am
    - cmm
      
      Well only partially true. The problem is when others get frustrated and end up chancing overtaking where it is not safe to do so.
      
      Some of this could be made safer by allowing people to drive faster while overtaking.
      
      Sticking to 100kph while overtaking a truck driving at 90 is dangerous as it keeps you in the overtaking position for much longer.
      
      If you’re overtaking a truck traveling at 90 then it is safer to pass them as 110-120 than it is at 95.
      
      An 18-wheeler truck is about 23m (70 ft) long. Add another 15 20 metres and you’re passing something of about 45m in length.
      
      At a 5kph speed difference (ie.95kph) that’s going to take about 30 seconds (750 metres of road).
      At 20kph speed difference (ie. 110kph) that’s going to take about 8 seconds and 200 metres of road.
      
      This really shows that the “speed kills” policy that is enforced so hard has some potential for improvement.
      
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      October 31, 2022 1:26pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes agree. 120 minimum. I often do 130 to overtake. This will make Julie Ann Genter’s head explode. However I am doing 130 for 10 seconds. Get around as fast as possible then gently tap the brakes to come back to 100.
        
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        October 31, 2022 5:24pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “At a 5kph speed difference (ie.95kph) that’s going to take about 30 seconds (750 metres of road).”
        
        In New Zealand there is usually not that much road in an overtaking lane. Also, it is often 3 or 4 cars trying to overtake.
        
        Anyone that thinks you can overtake a truck doing 90 in an overtaking lane, while not exceeding 100, is retarded.
        
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        October 31, 2022 5:26pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I note all the bridges from Dunedin to CHCH are now 80, what a bloody joke
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:42am
  - CaptainCompromise
    
    Didn’t stop them putting 80 in Halswell to Tai Tapu, 7.5k dead straight, kilometres of visibility and 95+% of all submissions including community groups and the local council were against it.
    
    They BS their way through consultation and do whatever they want.
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:43am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I know the road, that is utter crap, what’s the matter with these muppets
      
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      October 31, 2022 7:21pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Why spend money on maintaining roads when you can just keep dropping speeds to keep it safe. Worked for our train tracks didn’t it ?
    
    /sarck
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:57am
  - I remember when
    
    BY:
    So a one hour trip will now take one and a quarter hours.
    Once again the government knows best.
    Personal resopnsibility is further reduced.
    Will we even be able to think for ourselves by the time they have finished??
    
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    October 31, 2022 9:05am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The slower they make us drive, the more people get killed. 9 people in a Honda CRV in Napier – what does this have to do with the open road speed limit?
    Time for a cleanout at NZ Transport agency, starting with the idiot Michael Wood.
    
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    October 31, 2022 9:07am
    - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
      
      all about road to zero ideology…. reduce road use so they dont have to spend as much to maintain or build them….I think we will see the return of spray painted cocks on pot holes, that used to get their attention.
      
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      October 31, 2022 11:06am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I think i heard them say the Napier road was staying 100 on HDA tonight
      
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      October 31, 2022 7:22pm
  - burt
    
    But an 80 limit on long, straight Canterbury roads?
    
    Just say “Hurry hurry or I’ll miss the Rugby” and you can travel along at 170kph and not even notice how fast you are going.
    
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    October 31, 2022 9:09am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      That must be a New Zealand joke I have not heard.
      
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      October 31, 2022 9:25am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Its a “Clarkism” Ben.
        
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        October 31, 2022 9:27am
      - Nickc2
        
        Helen Clark doing her knitting? YEA, RIGHT!
        
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        October 31, 2022 9:30am
      - Blackbob
        
        It’s a reference to Helen Clark, as PM in 2004, who was driven partway to a rugby game at some outrageous speeds through small Canterbury towns and country roads and “didn’t notice how fast they were going” sitting in the back. 2 policemen and a civilian involved in her motorcade were later charged and became the political scapegoats.
        
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        October 31, 2022 9:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ask H1
        
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        October 31, 2022 9:42am
      - rangitoto
        
        https://www.smh.com.au/world/speeding-charges-follow-helen-clarks-rugby-rush-20041113-gdk3qy.html
        
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        October 31, 2022 9:46am
      - Colville
        
        BY.
        When Helen was in the big chair she had her drivers in the limo with pedal to the metal scream across Canterbury so she wouldn’t miss kickoff for the All Blacks.
        After she got outed for speeding at life threatening speeds she denied all knowledge, said she had not noticed or ordered it to happen and then she had two of the police drivers fired for doing it.
        Total filthy behavior from a corrupt hypocrite.
        
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        October 31, 2022 10:05am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        BY: https://www.smh.com.au/world/speeding-charges-follow-helen-clarks-rugby-rush-20041113-gdk3qy.html
        
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        October 31, 2022 10:08am
      - rouppe
        
        Short story:
        Helen Clark was in the South Island attending some event or other.
        She was due to be present at a Bledisloe Cup game (she was sports minister I believe).
        Her flight from Timaru was cancelled so they drove to Christchurch.
        It’s generally accepted the car she was (a passenger) in reached 170kph on Cantebury highways.
        The drivers (members of her PP team) were charged with dangerous driving.
        The highlight quote from Helen Clark was that she was doing work in the back of the car, and “didn’t really notice” how fast they were going.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/83450327/flashback-a-prime-ministerial-flash-across-the-canterbury-plains
        
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        October 31, 2022 10:19am
      - kowtow
        
        Steve O
        
        Don’t ask H1 ,as I recall she was engrossed in paperwork and didn’t notice ……….
        
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        October 31, 2022 10:21am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Here you go
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pm-breaks-silence-on-motorcade-case/
        
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        October 31, 2022 10:37am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        That is interesting. I have been in a car at 170 kmh. I certainly noticed.
        
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        October 31, 2022 12:56pm
      - rouppe
        
        @Benedict.
        
        We’d all notice. She was roundly derided when she made that statement, but it was just water off her back. That was her story and she stuck to it.
        
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        October 31, 2022 2:32pm
  - rouppe
    
    But Benedict, you’re not thinking the correct way!
    
    IF something happens and IF someone else is nearby and IF the problem brings those two people together THEN it’s a disaster! /sarc
    
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    October 31, 2022 9:12am
- Nickc2
  
  This Govt would love to be in power for ‘generations to come’.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Who decides what is hate speech? If we say we hate this Marxist government are we going to jail?
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:38am
  - rouppe
    
    That would be too easy, because you used the trigger word.
    
    The word I use instead is “contempt”. I have nothing but contempt for this government and it’s Ministers.
    
    It’s a much more difficult twist to turn that into a conversation about “hate”
    
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    October 31, 2022 2:34pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Surely saying you hate the government does not become a crime under these marxists?
      
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      October 31, 2022 7:24pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  I wonder how the hate speech laws would have been applied to the disgraceful words of one minister Woods when he described peaceful protesters as a river of filth? If it’s found that they would be considered hate speech will he apologise? “ you’ll know it when you see it” swings both ways. The progressive saint Noam Chomsky stated that there are only two positions on free speech you are for it or against it. I guess we can conclude that the NZ Labour Party are against it condemned by their own philosopher. For a regime that literally can not look after the very basic duties of government such as law and order and road maintenance you’d be forgiven for thinking they have their priorities out of order but then again maybe it’s because of their incompetence and ideological agenda that they need the speech laws.
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:14am
- cas
  
  Considering that of three fatalities I have recently read about, one died when they came out of their drive , hit the retaining wall and the car tipped upside down into Lake Rotoma, and two others involved people not wearing seat belts, this is a rubbish policy which won’t solve anything.
  
  And driving home from the pub the other night in a 50km zone, we were passed by two cars going at least 90 with oncoming traffic.
  
  You will never fix the mentality of hoons but if they fixed the roads and spend money on driver education they would get better dividends. Around here no-one would go 80 when the road has been 100
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:16am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    What I really dislike is that the Police and NZTA are acting like lobbyists, pushing the Government to lower the speed limits from 100 to 80. As if the Police have nothing better to do. They would salivate over it. Park their cars out on back Canterbury roads, pulling people over for exceeding 80.
    
    JAG kicked this off in 2019.
    
    “‘Huge majority’ of NZers would prefer lower speeds on some roads – Genter”
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/391361/huge-majority-of-nzers-would-prefer-lower-speeds-on-some-roads-genter
    
    Except the public submissions showed that a ‘huge majority” were opposed.
    
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    October 31, 2022 1:01pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Hate to be a naysayer. But police and NZTA are tasked with giving advice from time to time, which filters up to relevant ministers.
      
      Sorry BY, but they (Police and NZTA) are doing their job.
      
      I would agree that there is a difference between giving advice and lobbying. Just not sure how to define that line.
      
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      October 31, 2022 3:37pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  If they fixed potholes and did the promised work to maintain and improve the roads, they wouldn’t have to lower the speed limit. This is just the lazy way out for Waka Kotahi. They would rather spend millions on PR and advertising. Plain lazy.
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:39am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Also cheered on by the Greens. They take every opportunity to make driving motor vehicles as inconvenient as possible.
    
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    October 31, 2022 1:02pm
- Takere
  
  There was a guy in Europe about 100 years ago who employed similar tactics and methodologies. he put together a formidable team and then he got a bit carried away with his ideas and his team seemed to have wondered off in different directions as he become more and more ‘aloof’ until finally, the rest of the world came together and pushed back. how does this scenario compare to the current regime?
  
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  October 31, 2022 11:20am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Auckland Transport have changed a whole lot of roads around suburban Auckland from 50km/h to 30km/h. I can’t recall any communication around this for the ones in my area.
  
  The war on motorists from our transport CCO, includes decreasing road speed, making city centres I reachable by car, massive surveillance and increased fining on bus lanes, reduction in car parking etc Mostly by stealth, especially the camera installs during lockdown.
  
  Hope Mayor Brown sorts them out.
  
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  October 31, 2022 4:37pm
artemisia

So the government is tipping in $61 million of taxpayer money to improve bus driver pay and encourage recruits. Local ratepayers will have to chip in as well. Then bus drivers are looking like first not-cab off the rank for a FPA.

So there’s a shortage of drivers, public transport users are getting fed up with cancellations but happy to have their trips highly subsidised by taxpayers and ratepayers. User pays, not so much.

Obviously more cycle lanes are needed. Or much bigger EV subsidies. AKA as more money from taxpayers and ratepayers.

Meanwhile, with vacancies ridiculously high in many sectors, many tens of millions has been set aside for He Poutama Rangatahi – getting Maori young people into work. As of February this year – 4 jobs produced, but to be fair the fund was only $50 million then (it is more now).
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October 31, 2022 8:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He Poutama Rangatahi fund was only $50million.
  Besst double the funding so 6 jobs will be produced.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:20am
- HalfFull
  
  Hmm sack a few thousand ‘Bureaucrats’ tell them through MSD jobseeker, here’s a job driving buses. Carrot then stick. Problem solved
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Just another example of wasted millions, this 61 will be annually I presume, we has that money come from? Probably the RUC or petrol tax, by hod they couldn’t get any more arrogant could they?
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:44am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol artemisia, the Maori “young” people were not so keen to work on the upkeep of huts in the Urewera’s. No wifi or fried chicken, so they don’t want work that much.
  Tamati Kruger on insisting that Tuhoe youngsters do the maintenance work on huts (Stuff, Nov 21) “Finding people who can live in wilderness, isolated areas for long periods of time without wifi, McDonald’s and quick access to their Toyota Hilux is very, very difficult.”
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:34am
- Harry Knuts
  
  No amount of $$’s is worth the danger money to be a bus driver these days. Perhaps it’s not about how much they get paid but the increased security drivers need. Too many ferals roaming around the streets ready to give anyone the bash.
  
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  October 31, 2022 10:22am
- hullkiwi
  
  Sorry, but is Labour PR spin at work again.
  
  Yesterday’s announcement was a reannoyncement of the money allocated in the budget announced in May.
  
  It will do nothing for bus drivers in Wellington or Christchurch who are already at $30/hour. In Auckland it will add $0.76/hour to their pay.
  
  In Auckland, there have already been two driver pay increase in recent months with money from both central government and Auckland Council.
  
  Despite the pay increases the sector in Auckland is still losing bus drivers. Also the increase in pay for drivers is causing problems in depots with other driver qualified staff who can drive buses but don’t because of their jobs. These people are now losing pay relativity. The people I’m referring to are shift supervisors and mechanics. If these people suddenly become bus drivers, the industry is still short, but are they?
  
  The answer at the moment is probably no. This is because many of the metropolitan areas have bus services that are not required, as they are carrying more fresh air than passengers.
  
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  October 31, 2022 10:29am
- Prince
  
  Just more of the $87 Million more the Government spends each day than it ‘earns’ (ie sucks in).
  Govt debt now $145 Billion and growing.
  Remember back in 2017 when a tame Labour economist reckoned he saw a $8 B hole in National’s budget, that would extend the debt to $55 B.
  But it’s OK, will never have to be paid back. International lenders are such softies.
  
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  October 31, 2022 10:35am
- Paulus
  
  No doubt Grant Roberston’s partner Alf will be pleased as he drive Buses in Wellington I believe
  
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  October 31, 2022 1:14pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hmm, Robertson having a conflict of interest
    
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    October 31, 2022 7:27pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    It’s a long bow to draw, alleging that M Wood’s $61m is predicated solely on getting Alf a non pay rise.
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:13pm
Benedict Yu

“National garnered the support of 28.32% of those surveyed…”

“NZ First, at 6.75% and nine seats, would once again decide whether Labour or National governs the country…”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130323053/winston-peters-returns-to-kingmaker-position-in-new-political-poll

It is astounding that 6.5 percent of voters would put this guy back into power. Whether he puts Labour or National into government, he will simply become Foreign Minister again. He will do nothing good for the country.

I cannot see an ACT – National – New Zealand First government being functional. Winston Peters and David Seymour seem to despise each other. Seymour may well prefer to stay in opposition rather than be part of a circus.

That leaves Labour. Jacinda will flee, leaving Grant Robertson to preside over a dysfunctional government.
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October 31, 2022 8:04am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Isn’t Horizon the go to poll for lefties when they’re in trouble? Even more reliable for them than Talbot Mills…
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:09am
- Opie
  
  Sunshine coast looks better every day.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:12am
  - burt
    
    Agree.
    
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    October 31, 2022 10:31am
  - JohnRidd
    
    Not too sure about that.
    My son was on the beach at Sunshine Coast yesterday.
    
    Wall to wall people. He said he has never seen so many people on a beach.
    
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    October 31, 2022 3:40pm
- rockape
  
  If you read the Horizon poll which is from a panel not random, then you just wasted a chunk of your life.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:15am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    What do you mean “a panel”?, it says they surveyed 1000 people.
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:23am
    - crackle
      
      Basically Horizon polls are sent out to people who have registered with them ie signed up to their panel. They send out all sorts of polls with random prizes for completing them.
      
      Really dont think they get a truly representative sample. It’s also pretty easy to mess with it given you can sign up a relatively small number of people and skew the result.
      
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      October 31, 2022 8:49am
      - Sol Invictus
        
        I’m signed up with them but I made the mistake of ticking their boxes re income and political inclination, so I’ve never been asked to take part in their political polls, although they do send me some of their other consumer-oriented polls. Could they possibly select people for their political polls who aren’t commited to the right?
        
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        October 31, 2022 6:49pm
    - RoboRob
      
      I’m sure david could explain this better. People apply to put themselves on horizon ‘panels’ horizon then has these people do survys. In my opinion this means policial polling (and other types) somewhat invalid.
      
      See this link to join the Maori panel …
      https://horizonpoll.co.nz/research/joinmaoripanel.asp
      
      After joining you immediately get to do the survey on the Covid 19 threat straight away. So if you had strong feelings you could sign up and have your say. People that don’t have strong feelings are likely absent from there polling.
      
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      October 31, 2022 9:02am
    - rockape
      
      No horizon has a set panel of volunteers,they canvas them. You can sign up here to join if you want ! https://horizonpoll.co.nz/
      
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      October 31, 2022 9:02am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Oh OK.
        
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        October 31, 2022 9:25am
      - JJ56
        
        Not just that, the Stuff story notes:
        
        “The outcome comes from a survey 911 adults who were registered to vote and, unlike other major polls, were certain they would vote.”
        
        Difficult to know what to think without knowing the number excluded on that basis.
        
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        October 31, 2022 9:47am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They ask people on line to be on the panel, its a leftie shithole, and when they have a group of names, the poll is done with only that group of people, so they may have 20000 people, and they send a poll request to that group of people on that panel,
      
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      October 31, 2022 7:32pm
  - Bullion
    
    All online polls will be from a panel.
    
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    October 31, 2022 9:52am
- O C Smith
  
  National has not been vocal enough against Labour’s activities and have allowed Winston to squeeze in!!
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:19am
  - Positan
    
    National’s performance since the moment Luxon was made “Leader” has been completely, utterly and appallingly abysmal. The fact that the abominable Peters is now scoring and may hold the balance next election is an absolute indictment of Luxon’s capabilities. He should be dumped out of hand – even a leaderless team would be doing better than National is now.
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:32am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I couldn’t disagree more Positan. Caucus is united behind the Luxon/Willis leadership team, caucus discipline has improved out of sight and the leaks to the media have dried up. There’s a huge amount of work going on behind the scenes in policy development, which has the added complication of the speed at which the economy is going south. Luxon encourages his MP’s to highlight issues within the areas they are responsible for, and we have seen the work that the likes of Simeon Brown is doing to hold Michael Wood to account, Dr Shane Reti to Andrew Little, Erica Stanford to Wood and Jan Tinetti and Chris Bishop to Megan Woods. Luxon empowers his MP’s, unlike Ardern who is a micromanager.
      
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      October 31, 2022 8:40am
      - DeepBlue
        
        Will Stanford force Tinetti’s demotion before or after Christmas? Erica had a superb week in the House.
        
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        October 31, 2022 12:05pm
      - H. Upmann
        
        TS: I agree with pretty much all you say, but Luxon comes across as woke and weak. The voters he needs to turn are the very ones who see him as this and have gone to Peters. They are maybe a small percentage but look how much power they have.
        
        It may be a long way out right now from an election but Luxon has had time to have Labour running scared. They may be trotting but certainly not running nor scared.
        
        If Luxon was doing his job properly then Peters would be on 0.5%.
        
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        October 31, 2022 12:40pm
      - Batman
        
        NZF probably is on 0.5 – 1.5 percent.
        
        This is a poll “exclusively provided” to Stuff. Hmmmm, now who could possibly want to get that out in the media and establish a narrative of a comeback?!?! I wonder who!
        
        The numbers are out of whack with most of the other recent polls and happen to show both major parties bleeding support to one specific party. My guess is that the polling technique has been taken advantage of to boost the count for NZF.
        
        Your prescription for Luxon would do the opposite. If he tracks right he will lose more votes from the centre than he will gain from these apparent NZF voters. It’s exactly what Labour would love to see.
        
        If some on KB are calling Luxon woke and weak, it probably means he is on the right track for the general.
        
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        October 31, 2022 12:56pm
    - rockape
      
      When Luxon took over Labour had a lead of about 14% now National lead by about 4% on average. An 18% move to National is something I will settle for in just one year. If it continues even at half that rate Labour are toast.
      
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      October 31, 2022 9:06am
    - BeaB
      
      I think you are on the wrong blog.
      
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      October 31, 2022 9:59am
    - Lara
      
      I couldn’t disagree more. National have pulled together and are doing a good job of holding the Labour MPs to account and many polls have the centre-right ahead. The last thing they need is a change of leadership. Anyone who wants a change of government should get active in getting behind National.
      
      They do have a big problem with the MS media being in bed with Labour.
      
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      October 31, 2022 10:06am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Squeeze in, you say? There’s really only one accurate poll, and it will be taken in a bit over 12 months’ time. Winston hasn’t squeezed in anywhere yet.
    
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    October 31, 2022 9:02am
  - RoboRob
    
    I don’t think its nationals fault the Winston is back. The mans a cockroach and attrats the ‘angry’ vote.
    
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    October 31, 2022 9:04am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    If you believe this poll you are a fool
    
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    October 31, 2022 7:32pm
- Philview
  
  I am dubious about the ‘leaked poll’ which is saying support for National has crashed. Nothing has happened in recent weeks to cause that. A vote for NZ First is a vote for Labour. He indicated at the conference he would keep a future Labour Government honest.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:19am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Horizon Polling has been an outlier for some time.
    
    It’s an Online poll, which you have to subscribe to. Not random at all. The fact that Labour will be trumpeting it is just an indication of how desperate they are.
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:56am
  - Tricati
    
    Add that to the push piece on what Labour has achieved, and clearly the instructions have gone out to the paid for MSM to start promoting the princess.
    Expect to see more of this crap in the months to come, but the thing Stuff can’t influence, will be the tanking economy, and that will sheet straight back to Ardern & Robertson and the rank and file will not be happy.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130276066/by-the-numbers-has-labour-achieved-its-promises-during-five-years-in-power
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:57am
  - Hard Cheese
    
    It’s a panel chosen Horizon poll. It will be about as accurate as the one out of the blue that that said Efeso Collins was leading Wayne Brown by 2%
    
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    October 31, 2022 11:06am
  - Sol Invictus
    
    I’ve been saying for some time that the media will start promoting Peters and NZ First in the hope of siphoning votes off from National/Act.
    
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    October 31, 2022 6:53pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Its not a leaked poll, it is Horizon , its utter bullshit
    
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    October 31, 2022 7:33pm
    - Batman
      
      Horizon is the House Sav of polling companies
      
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      October 31, 2022 8:44pm
- DeepBlue
  
  In the small print in the article… this poll is different to all others as it only polled decided voters.
  Then didn’t mention the proportion of undecided voters. But you know, headlines count.
  
  So all we know is the smaller parties have a bigger loyal following than the majors. Surprise//.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:36am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  If you believe Horizon n any poll then that’s the problem right there. The same pollsters suggest that no one wants tax cuts yet Curia had a poll of less than 35% not wanting a tax cut
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:46am
- ClanMcleod
  
  BY – then National need to pay close attention to what is that Peters/Seymour are saying that is so appealing to those voters? I know the argument that elections are won in the centre, but there is obviously a substantial portion of the population who have had enough of mealy mouthed platitudes and what appears to be weak policies.
  I understand the dislike for Peters, but I also understand the appeal.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:53am
  - Prince
    
    Sure, National needs to compete with Peters for 6% of the vote, instead of remaining in the 30’s.
    
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    October 31, 2022 10:39am
  - peterwn
    
    Agreed, but it needs to be a selective attention. Chris and cannot attend to an individual’s peeves by making it policy unless it means more votes for NACT in aggregate. Adopting far right policies for example may lose National more slightly centre-left vote than it gains from right wingers who would otherwise abstain or vote Winston. David Seymour needs to be careful too otherwise he could scare off some centre leaning National voters.
    Chris has a complex opinion/policy matrix to deal with which is not different from what a business person faces every day.
    There is a further complicating factor with Justice Minister Kiri Allan’s proposed hate speech law if it comes to pass. Chris and Nicola would need to be very careful since it is not easy fighting an election from behind bars.
    
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    October 31, 2022 11:22am
    - ISeeRed
      
      What “far right” policies would that be?
      
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      October 31, 2022 7:52pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What possible appeal is there from the old fool?, he has lied and never delivered important policy, he is full of shit and just a nasty piece of crap
    
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    October 31, 2022 7:36pm
    - Batman
      
      He tweets copy/paste language from overseas that a certain type of person absolutely LOVES
      
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      October 31, 2022 8:43pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Nearly tied in regional towns. Yeah right. Laughable.
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:37am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Leading in all large cities when it has clearly been shown that Labour are running third in Auckland
    
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    October 31, 2022 7:37pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  The “resurrection” of Winston is deeply disturbing and maybe simply a result of the media coverage he is receiving at the moment.
  
  What actually frightens me more is the hard core 30% or so who still back Labour after their utter incompetence, lack of accountability, dictatorial handling of Maori/Treaty issues and inability to deal with an economy going pear shaped. Who are these people supporting such inability?
  
  While I think Luxon is slowly improving he has to gain the centre while assuring those of us on his “right” that there will be reform. He has not delivered that yet.
  
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  October 31, 2022 10:10am
- Matt Long
  
  Bolger and Peters seemed to despise each other too until they got in coalition than mates again.
  
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  October 31, 2022 11:19am
- Paulus
  
  As in NZ First opinion sounds like the so called paid media are reading the tea leaves, and shit stirring.
  Have these pople who want Peters never to learn ?
  
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  October 31, 2022 1:17pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Won’t be long, new polls out very soon, two over the next week, this poll will be well and truly rectified and forgotten by lunch time
    
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    October 31, 2022 7:38pm
Tony Stuart

Winston Peters is currently touring the country on what New Zealand First describes as a “Listening Tour”.

https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1586523041903054848

So it’s probably a good time to mention that the only thing Peters listened to in 2017 was which party would give him the best and biggest baubles. A vote for Peters and NZF is effectively a vote for Labour, and voters need to remember Peters’ track record. He must not be given the chance to hold New Zealand to ransom again.
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October 31, 2022 8:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How many dicks out there will vote NZF purely so they can say “I did not vote Labour”?
  When it comes to NZ Politics there are a lot of not so bright people out there.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:24am
  - Weinerpoop
    
    It could be quite possible that the diehard Labour voters just won’t vote in this election
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:27am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Correct, but I have heard some say Nats for the first time, and quite a few ACT.
      
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      October 31, 2022 8:57am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yeah was thinking about that this morning. My boss is a Labour man, he is totally appalled by Jacindas mob and highly unlikely to vote for them. He knows the Greens are crazy. That leaves few options, I dont think he could ever bring himself to vote National (let alone ACT). Really only leave ths Maori party and Winston First, neither of which are particularly appealing either. So will he just not vote?
      
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      October 31, 2022 9:22am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        It’s crazy really, many Labour voters say they cant vote Nats no matter what because too right, but i have heard them say ACt , no wonder they were lefties, because they don’t even realise Nats are Centre and ACT are right
        
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        October 31, 2022 7:41pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Unfortunately 95% of New Zealanders have never heard of Kiwiblog so will just vote for whoever promises them the most goodies.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:27am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Goodies are not helping labour in polls, petrol tax cuts, and three hand outs have not swayed voters, snd if anything the polls have got worse
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Will Labour cancel student loans?
    Seems to be the in thing to buy votes.
    
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    October 31, 2022 9:45am
    - peterwn
      
      Problem there is there would be a backlash from former students who have paid off or significantly paid down their loans. This would especially be with respect to overseas resident former students who have not lifted a finger to pay back their loans. Robbo would need to offer something to those who have been diligently being paying back or paid back their loans to avoid discontentment. The cost burden on the Government of this may be excessive.
      
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      October 31, 2022 10:17am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Former students will not vote Labour?
        Possibly never will, that is a good thing!
        
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        October 31, 2022 5:59pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        What ever happened to the generation who were whacked when student loans suddenly appeared? Their older siblings got through with no debt ans suddenly they had buckets?
        
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        October 31, 2022 8:06pm
    - Hollyfield
      
      Didn’t they rule this out last week?
      So probably yes.
      
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      October 31, 2022 11:23am
  - Ra Henare
    
    I think 99% would be closer giving the readership numbers of Kiwiblog. 🙂
    
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    October 31, 2022 3:43pm
- Its only I
  
  If Winston is in a position for another chance it will be a win for Labour regardless of who prostitutes themselves and bites the pillow for Winstons gratification. The first term for either major party will be a continuation of wherever Labour leaves the country in 2023 for the simple fact NZ first is so toxic the first term for any political abomination of a Gov will be pure crises management and the hope they can distance themselves enough from MeFirst to win a second term without the little ego maniac.
  If Winston gets enough support expect another term of Labour, simple.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:42am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He hates it when he is blamed for this mess, yet his weak excuse last week was campaigning to keep the middle man out ffs, if he c as not handle that while he was actively taa a king court preceding s on Nat ministers when there was not a scrap of evidence then he deserves to be treated like the leper he is.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:56am
- Hollyfield
  
  Winston is an absolute genius at saying what people what to hear to make them vote for him, and making them forget that what he promised in the leadup to an election and what he did after the election are complete opposites.
  
  Many people will know recent examples, but here’s one from the start of the party’s existence. Leading up to the 1996 election NZ First’s support came from two main groups:
  Greypower
  Maori, which resulted in NZ First winning all Maori seats
  The messages he gave to those two groups of people were very different, but neither group seemed to realize that he was saying the exact opposite to the other group, and that there was no way he could deliver on both messages.
  
  In addition, in the 1996 campaign he was harshly critical of National MPs and appeared to promise he would not even consider going into coalition with National – but after the election that’s exactly what he did. He has form in the area of saying one thing to get votes, and doing the opposite after the election. And fortunately for him, many people seem to have forgotten this by the next election. He’s brilliant.
  (Which should in way indicate I would ever entertain voting for him or his party.)
  
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  October 31, 2022 11:22am
Simon

Covid 19 virus a result of gain of function research funded by US tax payer dollars, hidden from US legislative branch, run in chicken shit facility in a money worshipping third world basket case of a country.

Where is the international moratorium on gain of function research? To prevent another virus that has killed millions of people.

All these international agreements that NZ signs up for at a drop of a hat are fake. There is one on fucking plastics being signed in Uruguay. Its fake.
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October 31, 2022 8:18am
Taieri

How to increase the range of an EV to 1800 miles without charging:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHhf223jGIE

The man is a genius;)
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October 31, 2022 8:28am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  If this would work I would buy an Ev, unless I can get to Chch from Dunedin or further on one charge then stuff them
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:00am
- ClanMcleod
  
  He sure is an engineering genius, but come on, running a petrol engine to charge an electric car?????!! It’s impossible to convert the energy from one to the other without a loss of energy. It’s clever, but I don’t see the point.
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:00am
  - Paulus
    
    Diesel Electric is far more efficient than petrol.
    British Rail ran their main line engines that way in about 1950 – now electric overhead though.
    
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    October 31, 2022 1:21pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Think of it as a hybrid with a bigger than normal battery and a smaller than normal petrol engine
    
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    October 31, 2022 2:04pm
cmm

The real headache with renewables like solar panels and wind is that they are unreliable and therefore requires storage to provide power when the sun doesn’t shine or the wind doesn’t blow.

That means two things:
1) You need a lot more of it. If you can get by on 1GW of coal plant, then you will need at least 5GW, probably more, of solar panels to replace them.
2) You’re going to need massive amounts of pump storage schemes or batteries to store the power for later use.

So what about batteries?

The biggest group of storage batteries is in the world’s EV fleet. The average EV battery is around 40kW and there are about 25 million EVs world wide – making a nice round number of about 1TWh of EV batteries in the world.

World electricity usage is around 2.6 TW. So all the world’s EV batteries could power the world’s electricity demands for approx 23 minutes.

Now let’s pretend we want to reach Greenie heaven and replace all that filthy coal and oil etc with nice clean renewable electricity. What then?

Well the world’s current energy usage is approx 18TW – 7 times the electricity usage.

So all the world’s EV batteries could power the world for about 3 minutes – from fully charged.

So to get reliable electricity from solar and batteries, that 3 minutes needs to be extended to at least 100 hours (enough time to cover for a few cloudy days etc).

We need 2000 times what we already have built to replace current electricity demand, then a few hundred times what we have built to replace all the vehicles with EVs.

Ongoing, we need to replace those batteries every 10 years (I’m being kind here) so we’d need to produce 300x what we have produced so far, every year, just to keep replacing the old ones.

In short…. it ain’t gonna happen without some remarkable change in technology.
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October 31, 2022 8:29am
- DeepBlue
  
  Micro nuclear. Send it out to every village to plug and play like WiFi. It will be the mayor’s responsibility to keep safe as the sole responsibility. If it fails it has the direct result of messing in ones nest. What greater incentive can there be to focus the mind?
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:43am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Yep, and this really isn’t all that difficult to figure out.
  Do a little bit more thinking and you realise that these ruinable energy sources aren’t even all that ‘green’ (e.g. just think about what happens to these batteries every 10 years or so).
  I believe that some politicians are probably capable of doing this basic maths, yet they continue to push suicidal policies upon us. A citizen with any brains at all has to ask what that’s all about, and one conclusion must surely be that it’s not about saving us from ‘climate change’.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:54am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    For anybody who is interested, YT has been pushing this vid at me for a while, and I finally got around to watching it.
    It contains all sorts of common sense and facts and figures about FF and ruinables. I’m not talking ‘climate change’ facts – I mean real ones.
    It’s 10 years old, but that only goes to point out that we knew ruinables weren’t the answer even back then. It has nice shiny graphs pointing out how beneficial the industrial revolution was for us humans, as opposed to what climate change alarmists would have us believe.
    https://youtu.be/_YiM7Gf_snQ
    
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    October 31, 2022 1:57pm
Maggie Pie

Elon himself weighed in on the Paul Pelosi affair…..

then quickly deleted his own Tweet!!

WTF?

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1586798700449390594
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October 31, 2022 8:32am
- cmm
  
  From some of the rumours, “affair” might be the right word.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:38am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Lots of rumours about Pauly P being gay.
    He had a young man in the car with him when he had that bad crash.
    He also mentioned De Pappes name when he called the Police
    The Police broke in through the windows too.
    They weren’t smashed by De Pappe. And why was De Pappe in his underwear?
    De Pappe was also known to be a Male prostitute
    
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    October 31, 2022 9:06am
  - MCōs
    
    Twitter survives on rumours
    
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    October 31, 2022 9:07am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ardern’s Prime Minister job survives on blatant lies, I think I prefer rumours.
      
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      October 31, 2022 9:18am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He might have took the hammer man into Nancy’s walk in fridge with the ice cream maker !
    
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    October 31, 2022 10:06am
  - Nickc2
    
    A lover’s tiff or a medical/drug flash-back eh?
    
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    October 31, 2022 12:13pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Are you saying Nacey has scared him to be with the homes no hoper?
      
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      October 31, 2022 7:44pm
- Frank the tank
  
  It would never come to light anyway. This jabroni will get the “Epstein” in prison.
  
  Funny how someone in their underwear carrying a pick axe got through security…….
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:51am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Sounds more plausible than the “official” story.
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:10am
  - RoboRob
    
    Oh come on, we all know he was a right wing extremest, facist with connections to MAGA (I remember when it used to be connections to Al-Qaeda). He was so cunning he went to kill Nancy when her gaurds were away.
    
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    October 31, 2022 9:27am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maggie – here’s a very interesting analysis of the event, and more to the point, the bullshit narrative being pushed by the Dems and their supporters.
  
  (it also quite strains credulity that the pelosi manse has so little security that a guy like this can just traipse in despite housekeepers and others being home. something smells a might bit fishy here.)
  
  depape is apparently homeless, drug addicted, mentally ill, and a hard left activist with deeply incoherent and reality divorced perceptions and ramblings on a wide range of topics.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/total-lies-are-total-disrespect?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=323914&post_id=81059016&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:21am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    So does Cindy’s attack on her office, a so called smoke bomb no evidence of, and a sword lying on the ground, yet they knew who to arrest immediately, all why Cindy was dunning her self on the ice
    
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    October 31, 2022 10:07am
- virtualmark
  
  Your lawyers will recommend you do that when your tweet is inaccurate.
  
  Musk’s tweet referred to an article from the Santa Monica Observer, which has a long history of fabricating the “news”.
  
  Ironically, Musk was replying to a tweet from Hilary Clinton, who the Santa Monica Observer said had been killed and replaced with a body double several years ago.
  
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  October 31, 2022 3:46pm
Scooter

Italy’s new “far-right” Govt doesn’t mess about, in giving back their people freedom.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/italy-end-ban-health-workers-not-vaccinated-against-covid-2022-10-28/
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October 31, 2022 8:34am
- ISeeRed
  
  More “fascism” like this please!
  
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  October 31, 2022 7:56pm
Frank the tank

Interesting that left wing politicians and their elite mates get upset when they are targeted for violence yet when it is us plebs well that is just collateral damage for an enlightened 21st century justice system.
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October 31, 2022 8:38am
Aunty

This was written a couple of years ago, but it is a worthy piece with many germane themes and observations, particularly for readers and participants of this blog.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/covid-vaccine-mask-conspiracies-succeed-when-they-appeal-identity-ideology-ncna1251761
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October 31, 2022 8:41am
- ClanMcleod
  
  lol – you are completely delusional, you have zero ability to understand actual science. It’s astonishing that people like you still inhabit the planet.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:13pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  A waste of time giving you this link. As someone succinctly put it, pearls and swine comes to mind.
  
  this is the aggregate data.
  
  students in masked schools had a 21% higher case rate than students in schools with no masks. masks do not look to protect your kids.
  
  staff case rate was 23% higher in masked schools.
  
  areas imposing masks had a 19% higher overall community case rate.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/your-childs-mask-protects-no-one/comments?s=w
  
  And if that isn’t enough, here are 47 other studies that show that masks not only don’t work, like the jabs, they do more harm than good.
  
  https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/47-studies-confirm-inefectiveness-of-masks-for-covid-and-32-more-confirm-their-negative-health-effects/
  
  Your welcome, no need to thank me.
  
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  November 1, 2022 7:11am
artemisia

Auckland meetings of councillors. There will be dissenting views, of course, and Mr Brown won’t be able to drive all decisions the way he wants. But surely councillors will be expected to speak to their decisions, for or against, with reasons potentially challenged.

Maybe that already happens, but my limited experience of councillors (admittedly in a different country, Wellington) suggests otherwise. Auckland councillors will be expected to earn their not insignificant keep by looking out for the pockets of ratepayers.

I hope other mayors and councillors are watching, especially where council staff make changes in response to a different level of scrutiny.
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October 31, 2022 8:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

Remember Willy Jackson’s concern last week about violence on NZ’s political front?

Well read this….

A retired academic wants an apology for an historic firebombing of his home. Hone Harawira tells him to “get f***ed”

A distinguished academic has broken his silence about a firebomb attack on his Auckland home – and wants an apology from Māori nationalists who were active in the 1980s.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/prof-wants-maori-apology-1
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October 31, 2022 8:58am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Maggy, thank you for bringing that piece to our attention.
  It is chilling.
  
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  October 31, 2022 10:57am
- David Garrett
  
  And nastiness oozing from almost every word that prick Braunias writes.
  
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  October 31, 2022 11:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He can’t even quote accurately in his piece.
    
    He quotes Michael Neill as writing
    “They never recognised the affect it had on my family.”
    
    I couldn’t believe that an Emeritus Professor Of English would write that, so I consulted the original….and of course Michael Neill wrote:
    
    I’m not sure they ever recognised the effect the firebombing had on my own family.
    
    https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n19/michael-neill/diary
    
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    October 31, 2022 2:22pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hone shows his charming side
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:30pm
All_on_Red

So Elon Musk is making his mark at Twitter
He had Joe Biden Fact Checked and added an explainer below Bidens Tweet pointing out where it was misleading.
That’s refreshing.
Then he went for the Gold Ring and did the same to a Hillary Clinton Tweet
Brave man.
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October 31, 2022 9:10am
- Opie
  
  I hope musk has some seriously good security.
  
  Otherwise I suspect he will be a victim of the worst case of suicide you ever saw.
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:29am
- RoboRob
  
  All very funny and ironic I am sure but what the world needs is less of the ‘fact checking’ and ‘see x government for official Covid information’ messages.
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:32am
- Libertarians are right
  
  He also fired Rahul Ligma and Daniel Johnson for being Leftist hacks.
  As well as their entire departments.
  That’s what the morons in the MSM reported anyway.
  
  Apparently they weren’t smart enough to say Ligma Johnson out loud.
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:32am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Th we lies by Biden about oil prices dropping when they weee sky high when he took office need looked into, it’s a straight out lie, yet dumb lefties don’t realise, but if this was said by Trump it would be a crime.
  
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  October 31, 2022 10:10am
cas

This ode to the Pm on ice is pretty good.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/an-ode-for-the-pm-on-ice
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October 31, 2022 9:23am
Warren

How anyone can justify Jacinda Ardern’s and Grant Robertson lies on the promises they made when Winston installed Labour as the Government is beyond belief, but a coupleos Stuff Journalists have tried.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130276066/by-the-numbers-has-labour-achieved-its-promises-during-five-years-in-power
This after manipulations of figure from most of there policies these idiots try to defend the undefendable.
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October 31, 2022 9:35am
Surely Knott

Who is funding influence of our media, our national conversation and our next elections especially in relation to free speech and online speech laws?

Martyn Bradbury on the daily blog, has reported that media are being invited to attend a secret meeting with the “Disinformation Project” about political censorship in the 2023 election.

I did some further googling. There are three researchers at Dis Project: Dr. Sanjana Hattotuwa, Director Kate Hannah, and PHD Kayli Taylor.

Lead researcher, Dr Sanjana Hattotuwa, is supported by a world first “Twitter Data for Good Grant”. Amount unstated. So Twitter’s funding is behind the lead Dis Info Project researcher.

His bio says, “I completed doctoral studies at the University of Otago, New Zealand, looking at the symbiotic relationship between offline unrest and online instigation of hate and harm in Sri Lanka and, in the aftermath of the Christchurch massacre in 2019, facilitated by leading research based on New Zealand’s first ever Data for Good grant by Twitter.”

Twitter says of the grant, “At Twitter, our purpose is to serve public conversation around the world. With world leaders, advocates, journalists, academics, and nonprofits on the service, we seek to empower conversations that are influential and leave a lasting impact on society. It is a company priority to increase the health, openness, and civility of this uniquely open conversation.

In a New Zealand first through our #DataforGood program, we’re announcing a partnership with the University of Otago’s National Centre for Peace and Conflict Studies (@NCPACS). Our shared goal is to use Twitter data to study the ways online conversations can be used to promote tolerance and inclusion instead of division and exclusion. The initiative will be led by Emeritus Professor Kevin Clements (@kpclements) and lead researcher Sanjana Hattotuwa (@sanjanah).

NCPACS was established in 2009 as New Zealand’s first Centre to combine global interdisciplinary expertise on the issues of development, peace-building, and conflict transformation. Located within the University of Otago’s (@otago) Division of Humanities, it has since made significant contributions to emergent research areas and holds regular conferences promoting research and intercommunity dialogue.”

((So Twitter is “partnering” with our universities and specifically the main researcher from the Disinformation project who is hosting a forum for media about our next elections and he is “sharing” Twitter data . ))

But there’s more. So the person who wrote the twitter post is “Kara Hinesley,
Director of Public Policy, Government, and Philanthropy, Australia & NZ”

((Yes. Twitter has a director of government and public policy for NZ.

But google shows that Kara’s history is as a political staffer for Australia Labour Party. ))

“Kara Hinesley, former adviser to Labor’s Ed Husic MP during his time as Shadow Parliamentary Secretary to the Shadow Treasurer and Shadow Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Opposition Assisting with Digital Innovation.”

((So Twitter is funding and partnering with the lead researcher /spokesperson at the Disinfo project who is hosting a meeting to media on the next elections and is behind many ethically questionable media interviews promoting free speech restrictions. And the key person at Twitter , the Director of public Policy govt NZ is ex Labour staffer.))

Kara’s bio:

“https://www.advoc8.co/blog/5-minutes-with-a-former-staffer-featuring-kara-hinesely

Twitters announcement of the NZ partnership –
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/christchurch-otago-nspacs#:~:text=At%20Twitter%2C%20our%20purpose%20is,a%20lasting%20impact%20on%20society

Sanjana’s bio
https://about.me/sanjanah
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October 31, 2022 9:35am
- alloytoo
  
  The Platform has also been investigating this lot.
  
  Ironically the Disinformation project does exactly what it says on the can. IMHO Spread disinformation.
  
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  October 31, 2022 2:25pm
I remember when

Let a Citizens’ Assembly make the call on Three Waters. Helmut Modlik.
“Low voter turnout at the recent local government elections spoke volumes about the level of public trust and confidence New Zealanders have in that part of our civil society.
Any claim by local politicians to having a mandate is only self-serving……”
“A proposal to hold a Citizens’ Assembly to ‘increase public trust in …. government by remedying the ‘divergence of interests’ that arises between elected representatives and the electorate….”

Obviously someone voted you in, but you don’t have any power to make decisions, especially ones we don’t like.
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October 31, 2022 9:45am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Will Labour cancel student loans?
Seems to be the in thing to buy votes.
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October 31, 2022 9:47am
- Its only I
  
  Let’s hope promising to cancel Labour buys more.
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:55am
- Colville
  
  No. They already own the student vote.
  I believe the net effect would be a negative for them.
  ie: they would lose more centrist votes than they gain from students.
  
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  October 31, 2022 10:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They ruled that out last week, thank god, the $61mill got bus drivers wages is pathetic enough
  
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  October 31, 2022 10:10am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  You already said that.
  
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  October 31, 2022 10:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, I know. Saw text so hit post, then could not delete. Totally my fault.
    
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    October 31, 2022 11:11am
Random T Person

Emma Cook/stuff completely oblivious to the irony in her cartoon this morning.
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October 31, 2022 10:03am
Nickc2

The Paul Pelosi incident appears to be somewhat at odds with that espoused by our MSM.
Paul Pelosi reportedly told 911 dispatch that the individual who allegedly attacked him with a hammer in his home “is a friend,” according to a police dispatch call early Friday morning.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/10/28/police-dispatch-audio-paul-pelosi-calling-cops-doesnt-know-male-but-name-david-he-is-friend/
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October 31, 2022 10:17am
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/watch-videos-show-multiple-teenage-attacks-on-christchurch-children/GTNNQCLFN5AHFHZZULTC5NMNSQ/

From the accents in all three videos, sounds like packs of Maori kids hunting down white kids to beat up.

Get him owww Rocky.

Owww is one of the classic Te Reo words. Means ‘you’ , I think
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October 31, 2022 10:21am
- Tony Stuart
  
  You, or youse?
  
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  October 31, 2022 1:19pm
- Nickc2
  
  Shocking and disgusting to put it mildly!
  Racist attacks in broad daylight by the protected species of Arty Rower.
  Little wonder Tourists are avoiding this place like the plague. Likewise, those sought as potential answers to our employment problems eg Hospitality Staff and Nurses, etc.
  No doubt the Govt’s Maori Caucus has a reason for such behavior, but no logical way of stopping it eh?
  
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  October 31, 2022 1:26pm
  - Drone
    
    Caused by colonialism..
    
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    October 31, 2022 3:11pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  To be fair, the only image I have seen looks like a ‘European’ attacking a smaller kid in uniform.
  It seems the South Island does have ferals in more than one colour, so don’t rush into assumption.
  
  (I suspect filming it could be part of the motivation. I would rather we focused on filming crimes before legislating on hate speech in NZ).
  
  BTW ‘Oww’ to my ears seems like a corruption of ‘ehoa’ (friend). In school in the 80s there were some Maori who would use ehoa in the way ‘ow’ has been used for many years now. Just seems to have become a mono-syllable (?). That’s my theory, since it is a NZ-Maori thing that otherwise came out of nowhere really.
  
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  October 31, 2022 1:50pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Kids need to toughen up. The only thing bullies understand is a beating. Sorry, but it’s a fact of nature. Beat them hard. They won’t do it again.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From my Facebook 1 year ago.
Yesterday I shared a post from The New Zealand Taxpayer’s Union about a plane flying over Auckland towing a banner saying “Stop 3 Waters” FB took it down. Said it breaches community standards. They refuse to expand on that. Seems FB are now in the pocket of the NZ Govt.
https://twitter.com/TaxpayersU…/status/1454226536412811265
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October 31, 2022 10:42am
- Nickc2
  
  They invoice Cindy on a monthly basis for such services. //
  
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  October 31, 2022 11:01am
- Inandout
  
  SO, FB (Meta) have plans to lay off 15% of their workforce, not the sign of a healthy company.
  
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  October 31, 2022 11:10am
- Frank the tank
  
  ‘now’ – they were always.
  
  Zuck is a WEF alumni.
  
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  October 31, 2022 11:51am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I see Zuckerberg’s wealth has fallen from a peak of $142 billion to around $38 billion, the largest loss ever by an individual over a single year.
  
  I don’t suppose many of us have tears to shed, but I am wondering how this actually affects him and his life. What sorts of things can a person who has $38 billion not do, that a person who has $140 billion can?
  
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  October 31, 2022 12:14pm
  - kevn
    
    @Albert…. Sleep easily?
    
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    October 31, 2022 12:39pm
  - Colville
    
    Well he couldn’t buy Twitter for a laugh..
    
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    October 31, 2022 1:19pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    They can’t buy Twitter
    
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    October 31, 2022 1:26pm
  - tavita
    
    He doesn’t have $38 billion. What he has is a block of shares in a company whose shares were trading at something above their actual value. The value of his shares is based on the price at which other shares are currently being traded, but if he were to dump all his shares on the market the value would fall sharply. Musk, Page and Brin (and their ilk) are probably the same. I suspect Musk could only afford to buy Twitter if Twitter shareholders or someone else was willing to take Musk’s shares in Tesla etc. and avoid them going onto the market.
    
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    October 31, 2022 6:54pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Greatest loss in a year – assuming that the year didn’t end in the death of the person concerned.
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:38pm
Benedict Yu

I don’t get this.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300726391/pm-jacinda-ardern-expects-further-liquor-law-changes-to-be-heavily-contested

I don’t much like dingy liquor outlets, but clearly there is a demand for them, otherwise they would go broke.

I agree that communities should be able to stop new outlets if they can demonstrate that they will cause harm. However we have seen many examples of local authorities imposing restrictions that are not evidence based. A good example is trying to stop supermarkets selling beer and wine after (say) 8pm. All that does is disadvantage folk who do their shopping at 9pm (because maybe that is when they finish work, or the kids have gone to bed, or whatever). They are not going to buy the wine at 9pm and go drink it in the car park and go nuts.

By removing the appeals process, you will see increasing numbers of irrational decisions. You will go to a supermarket in the evening to find that the wine section is covered with tarpaulins. That will. not reduce harm. Anyone who is addicted to alcohol will ensure that they have all the alcohol they need, regardless of when and where they need to buy it.

And what is it with Chlöe Swarbrick demonising alcohol while celebrating cannabis?
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October 31, 2022 10:43am
- MCōs
  
  I don’t know, but I would’ve thought the cashier would refuse to scan alcohol after a certain hour.
  Might be a few arguments, mind you.
  Whenever we go to Pak n Sav in Mangere alcohol isn’t a big item from my observation.
  People tend to buy a lot of white bread and carbonated, sugary drinks.
  Supermarkets have a restricted range of alcohol like craft beer fancied by a certain demographic. I suspect bottle stores sell the stuff younger people prefer. That which occasionally litters the footpaths around my house.
  Personally I gave up when the half-g went by the wayside.
  
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  October 31, 2022 12:42pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yer. 5 half-g bottles fit just nice in the wood beer crate.
    I know this. No beer available (some strike) so I went to Napier and bought back a very heavy trailer load of Leopard Continental Larger. Disgusting shit.
    I made over 100% profit. 45 of 5 bottle of 1/2 flagons.
    
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    October 31, 2022 6:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I can’t help but wonder if there is a racist tinge to this move.
  
  Most liquor outlets now seem to be run by folks from Asia…Indians, in the main, in my neck of the woods.
  
  Now folks aren’t going to stop buying and drinking booze…. so I wonder if this is the first move in taking booze-sale outfits out of the hands of small business owners..predominantly Asian, and into the hands of iwi (?community) businesses.
  
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  October 31, 2022 2:43pm
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-responds-to-quitting-moving-to-new-plymouth-rumours.html

What is it about not believing anything a politician says untill they officially deny it?

I can’t see her stepping down or leaving unfortunately. Why give up the cruisiest job ever that let’s you force your ideals onto the plebs.
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October 31, 2022 10:56am
I remember when

8 September 1900: ‘Great Galveston Hurricane’:
The worst storm in US history for fatalities with 6000 people killed.
Although the CBS site recorded:
An estimated 8000 died on Galveston Island; up to several thousand more on the mainland.
Incidentally, 13th worst during the 1851-2004 period.
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October 31, 2022 11:01am
Harry Knuts

The PM gaslights recruiter – https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/pm-ardern-defends-nz-after-recruiter-claims-cost-of-living-crime-visa-delays-putting-international-job-seekers-off/ar-AA13ymnY?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=9323d12e822f4dc1b6737d69a94875ac
Then goes on to say we must remain positive. Pretty shitty come back if you ask me. Doesn’t address nor fix the problem.
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October 31, 2022 11:08am
k1w1

So Ardern has said she ain’t quittin’. This is brilliant news. Looking forward to her getting squashed in the election.
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October 31, 2022 11:28am
rouppe

Oh well, as long as the kid gets a good scolding….
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October 31, 2022 11:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cut off the bracelet – here is a new one——
  
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  October 31, 2022 6:14pm
I remember when

RNZ: Hijab head coverings – a woman’s choice:
And it is in New Zealand.
However, perhaps the bigger question is, to what extent is this the case in the Muslim world?
I wonder how many stories about women not having this choice appear in the press in those countries.
In fact, how much say do women have on anything in countries like Afghanistan and Iran, for example.
Is it time to celebrate the fact of these freedoms in New Zealand, rather than the relatively mild problems suffered here.
Let’s have perspective.
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October 31, 2022 11:57am
- MCōs
  
  I worked for a couple of months in an office in Jakarta, capital of the country with the most Muslims in the world; almost 90% of the population.
  I asked where the militants were, because the office, which reflected the city I saw was little different than Bangkok. Far more religious than here, but not hardline.
  I was told the fundamentalists were up country where they could control the schools and self propagate.
  One of the women showed me some photos from a family kids birthday party & she was the only one not wearing a hijab. Because she didn’t want too. She said she was Muslim, but that didn’t extend to all aspects of what others felt was required.
  Interestingly on Friday all the Muslims went off to prayers at lunchtime and the Catholics, who were the rest, went to Mass.
  The more you find out, the less you know.
  
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  October 31, 2022 2:53pm
Tom Hunter

Hey everybody, it looks like “Stolen Elections” are now permitted speech once again, courtesy of Hillary Von Pantsuit:

“Right-wing extremists” have a plan already in place to “literally steal the next presidential election, and they’re not making a secret of it,” Hillary Clinton says in a video recently posted to Twitter.

Just in time for Halloween too! 🙂
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October 31, 2022 11:59am
- ClanMcleod
  
  She is turning out to be the most moronic politician of the last hundred years, a total fruit loop. Closely followed by Ardern.
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:27pm
Tom Barker

Congratulations to Lula, who has retaken the presidency of Brazil from a vile far-right autocrat.
This makes Brazil the latest South American country to elect a leftwing leader, after Colombia,Mexico, Argentina, Bolivia, Honduras and Chile.
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October 31, 2022 12:27pm
- mandk
  
  Now what we need is someone to rid New Zealand of a vile, left-wing autocratic.
  
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  October 31, 2022 12:45pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Bolsinaro was very good for Brazil. Watch the country go down the shitter, after it was recovering under Jae.
  
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  October 31, 2022 1:26pm
  - Tom Barker
    
    To you and other admirers of Bolsonaro on this blog, Mr Beckett, here are a few of your hero’s political positions:
    – he regretted publicly that the military merely tortured people, rather than killing them outright, during his country’s dictatorship
    – he told a female colleague that he wouldn’t rape her because she wasn’t worth it
    – he said “It’s a shame that the Brazilian cavalry was not as efficient as the Americans at exterminating Indians.”
    – He responded to the emergence of Covid-19 by telling his people “stop being a country of faggots.’ Brazil had the second-highest death rate from the virus in the world.
    You may admire such a man – I’m delighted to see him gone.
    
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    October 31, 2022 1:55pm
    - rouppe
      
      Brazil is not number 1, it is number 20, on deaths / 1M population
      Chile is number 18.
      
      Since you admire the Left, the damage to Ardern’s electorate office is apparently a far right, violent extremist, blah blah blah.
      
      No one said much when Home Brew singer Tom Scott sang about killing then PM John Key and raping his daughter.
      In fact he regretted publicly that he hadn’t said “rape his son” instead.
      
      So you know, pot, kettle…
      
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      October 31, 2022 4:08pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Good grief. Yes Chile and Argentina are models for us 🙁 Perhaps I mistook your comment and you intended it to be satirical?
  
  https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/imf-sees-chiles-economy-shrinking-1.3-in-2023
  
  https://www.npr.org/2022/10/28/1132163763/how-argentina-is-trying-to-win-its-struggle-with-an-83-rate-of-inflation
  
  How about Bolivia?
  
  https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/bolivia-temporarily-suspend-exports-food-products-amid-protests-2022-10-27/
  
  Maybe Columbia?
  
  https://nearshoreamericas.com/sharp-slowdown-projected-for-colombias-economy-in-2023/
  
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  October 31, 2022 2:43pm
Tauhei Notts

Several acquaintances, all in the 45-64 age bracket have commented recently how the TV One news has driven them away from that channel. These are people who have watched TV One news since their childhood.
I think, and sincerely hope, the message might finally be getting through.
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October 31, 2022 12:56pm
- Nickc2
  
  The ‘smarmy looks on News Reader’s faces when they are reading something derogatory about someone on the ‘right’ of politics pisses me off.
  Even Melissa Stokes has started doing it.
  
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  October 31, 2022 1:14pm
  - MCōs
    
    Change channels
    Don’t torture yourself
    Personally I don’t like all those game shows and reality shows and competitive cooking shows so I don’t watch them.
    
    I don’t like much on tv at all except some sport
    I certainly don’t know the newsreaders names or that irritating Jack in the Box who does the weather.
    
    Having said all that the Blackferns and the Blackcaps are making up for all the mediocre stuff right now!
    BTW
    If you fancy something grim watch All Quiet on the Western Front on Netflix or the original B & W version or read the book.
    
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    October 31, 2022 1:59pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Hi TN,
  
  We turned the TV off six years ago and only use it to watch the occasional DVD video. The endless commercials did us in.
  
  Not sorry at all because we now spend that time doing something more enjoyable.
  
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  October 31, 2022 5:50pm
- H. Upmann
  
  …”watched TV One news since their childhood”.
  Poor bastards. No wonder this country is totally fucked.
  
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  October 31, 2022 10:20pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum called in to have a coffee earlier.
I thort she raised an interesting question…..

“What sort of influence would Alf likely have had lobbying the government to contribute $61 million towards a pay-rise for Bus Drivers?”

Hmmm.
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October 31, 2022 1:24pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  None?
  
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  October 31, 2022 1:36pm
- Nickc2
  
  I’ll pose this question again. What the fuck has Bus Driver’s pay got to do with this Govt? These drivers aren’t driving Govt Busses.
  Michael Wood should keep his big head out of non-Govt business.
  Bus Driver’s pay as I understand it is an agreement between their employers (Councils and/or Privately owned Bus companies).
  
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  October 31, 2022 1:40pm
  - Swifty
    
    The reason is that bus drivers are a core Labour support base.
    
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    October 31, 2022 2:35pm
    - rockape
      
      So we’re nurses, note the were word !
      
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      October 31, 2022 7:47pm
Maggie Pie

When I read about the history of the late Peter Ellis creche-trail recently, even I thought the charges he faced appeared to be a bit OTT to be honest.

Then today, along comes a case like this which sounds even worse to me….and the filthy creep pleads guilty!!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/130301995/man-who-raped-beat-recorded-11-children-among-the-worst
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October 31, 2022 1:46pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  If you think this makes the Ellis accusations (and those against the other creche staff) more credible, it does not.
  There is no comparison in the stories, aside from the child link.
  
  As with the last time the Maggie Pie character made comments about the Ellis case on behalf of their mother-in-law character, it does not seem the writer is very familiar with the established details of the allegations.
  To draw a connection here might be a touch of dislike of Ellis for his lifestyle (i.e he was gay) because an actual peadophile sicko- drugging and filming kids in not like the Crown case of the abuse happening on and OFF the Civic creche grounds: including caves, and abuse in the open, and attended by multiple adults, and also patently obviously a child’s elicited version of fantastical events.
  
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  October 31, 2022 2:01pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Honestly Fuzzo – leftards like you get more triggered than Roy Rogers horse.
    
    Just saying 😀
    
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    October 31, 2022 3:07pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Never realised I was left, or a leftard.
      But unlike how little you know about me, I at least know your are male and catholic.
      Stick to posting Twitter links.
      
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      October 31, 2022 6:41pm
Libertarians are right

Stuff has an article about Elon Musk linking to a conspiracy theory about Paul Pelosi but makes no mention of the fact that Hillary’s tweet, which he was responding was an even more unlikely conspiracy theory.
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October 31, 2022 1:52pm
- graham
  
  I don’t know why Stuff feels the need to report everybody else’s conspiracy theories; I think they have quite enough of their own.
  
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  October 31, 2022 3:56pm
Chris Nisbet

Newshub has a headline about some online extremism expert concerned about a slippery slope as Musk takes over Twitter.
This online extremism expert (i.e. me, ‘cos I identify as one) breaths a tiny sigh of relief as Musk takes over Twitter.
How come MSM are only able to find experts who hate freedom? That pretty much disqualifies them as an expert in my book.
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October 31, 2022 2:03pm
MCōs

I see Visit Victoria has stepped in with the sponsorship money deleted by Hancock Prospecting, founded by the loathsome Mister Lang H.
I note his daughter Gina refused to apologize for that which her father said with reference to exterminating ‘half breds’; preferring to yank her money and sport wash it somewhere else.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-31/netball-australia-sponsorship-deal-visit-victoria-hancock/101596136
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October 31, 2022 2:29pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  So now Ozzie taxpayers are picking up the tab, right?
  
  GO WOKE – GO BROKE.
  
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  October 31, 2022 2:36pm
  - MCōs
    
    It’s about 7.5% of their approx $40mil annual advertising budget.
    Visit Victoria receives a bit over $100mil p.a. taxpayer funding..
    https://assets-corporate.visitvictoria.com/documents/Visit-Victoria-Annual-Report-2020-21.pdf
    
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    October 31, 2022 3:45pm
  - MCōs
    
    BTW
    What’s your understanding of *woke*?
    
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    October 31, 2022 3:46pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      When my partner gets up late at night for a wee and pushes the ‘full-flush’ button instead of half-flush.
      
      Men, eh.
      
      How bout you Cos?
      
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      October 31, 2022 4:09pm
      - MCōs
        
        So you haven’t got a clue.
        Personally I don’t need to know anymore because it’s not a word I use.
        Nowadays it’s just an insult like spoilt little kids calling their mum ‘poobum’ when things don’t go their way.
        
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        October 31, 2022 5:34pm
- Taieri
  
  I note his daughter Gina refused to apologize for that which her father said
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  Why should she?
  Are you accountable for your father’s doings?
  
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  October 31, 2022 2:58pm
- All_on_Red
  
  You have some funny ideas.
  Since when have children been responsible for their parents comments?
  The Netballers are churlish, entitled and ignorant.
  
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  October 31, 2022 3:02pm
  - MCōs
    
    The netballers wouldn’t have acted if it wasn’t for First Nations netballer Donnell Wallam who wouldn’t have existed if Lang Hangcock had got his way.
    She didn’t want to wear a dress with his name on it and who can blame her.
    
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    October 31, 2022 3:28pm
    - Blog-aholic
      
      With all respect he may have been hung but his name is/was Hancock.
      
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      October 31, 2022 3:45pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The guy has been dead for 30 years. IIRC he made those comments about Aboriginals in the 60s or 70s. He would not have been alone in those views. Prior to 1967, Aboriginals were not even counted in the census.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Australian_referendum_(Aboriginals)#:~:text=Technically the referendum question was,support in all six states.
      
      It was half a century ago. I drive a Japanese car. Taiwan was occupied by Japan for 50 years. they committed atrocities, probably against my ancestors. Should I hate the Japanese or Japanese companies?
      
      The netballer needs to let it go.
      
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      October 31, 2022 4:50pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Stop wriggling and answer the question.
      Since when have children been responsible for their parents comments?
      
      The girls objections are just virtue signaling and petty considering she wasn’t even born when they were said.
      The guy is dead and his comments gone with him.
      His daughter is ‘giving back’ -shouldn’t that be considered a good thing?
      And besides, Adidas and Puma were started by Hitler Youth and Nazi Party members.
      Do you want those Brands cancelled?
      Of course not.
      Your argument and that silly girls is just moronic.
      
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      October 31, 2022 5:23pm
      - MCōs
        
        Lang Hancock was speaking about what would suit his company to increase profits.
        The same company his daughter has used to become the richest person in Oz.
        She doesn’t need to apologise because it’s her father, but because he was the former owner of her company without whom she’d just be another Reinhardt.
        
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        October 31, 2022 5:56pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “She doesn’t need to apologise because it’s her father, but because he was the former owner of her company without whom she’d just be another Reinhardt.”
        
        How can you “apologise” for the actions of another person? Makes no sense at all.
        
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        October 31, 2022 6:00pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Why the fuck should she apologise for something her father said? Seriously? What is wrong with you people?
  
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  October 31, 2022 8:33pm
Harry Knuts

Maybe she specialises in Prison style haircuts – https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130315745/callous-and-depraved-woman-jailed-over-brutal-murder-of-her-friend
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October 31, 2022 4:21pm
Harry Knuts

Just 20yrs for this heinous crime. Maybe we should have a law that ensures these types get locked up forever. Can’t see rehabilitation working – https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/130301995/man-who-raped-beat-recorded-11-children-among-the-worst
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October 31, 2022 4:23pm
Benedict Yu

Just heard some clown on ZB radio saying how there was no choice but to reduce all 100 speed limits to 80 unless they are motorways. He went on to say that some of them should be reduced to 60.

Makes my blood boil 🙁 You can bet that this guy lives in inner city Wellington, drives an EV around town, and flies to Queenstown to go skiing.
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October 31, 2022 4:44pm
- greybeard
  
  And has a “husband”.
  
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  October 31, 2022 6:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Paul Pelosi and David don’t know his last name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUivmIsqhAY
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October 31, 2022 5:00pm
Gravelroad

David Seymour has put up a post on FB about IRD tweeting that kids should have their trick or treat lollies taxed today – to get them used to being taxed.
Are the crazies at IRD that stupid and under the thrall of the ridiculous Robertson?
Even if it is supposed to be some sort of joke, it is in very poor taste and inappropriate for a government department to be advocating such ideology.
This country must be really in a great deal of financial strife.
I believe the tweet has now been removed.
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October 31, 2022 5:31pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Thanks, I really need a laugh after a difficult day. You provided it! 🙂
  
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  October 31, 2022 7:48pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I understand that in his childhood David Seymour had to empty out the boys’ urinal. That is why he knows so much about taking the piss.
  
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  October 31, 2022 9:01pm
Benedict Yu

More bullshit.

“Boxtails forced to dump more than $220k worth of cocktails”

“A company that was forced to remove its juice-box cocktails from shop shelves over concerns they might appeal to children says it has cost it $220,000.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130311113/boxtails-forced-to-dump-more-than-220k-worth-of-cocktails

Children are NOT PERMITTED to purchase alcohol. If you find an outlet selling alcohol to children, shut them down.
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October 31, 2022 5:46pm
Maggie Pie

@5:30pm

Gates locked. Check
Barking-Dog-Alarm activated. Check
Sprinklers on auto. Check
Drapes pulled. Check

Now lets see these little pricks get to the front door.
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October 31, 2022 5:51pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  These are children. Stop being an entitled dick.
  
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  October 31, 2022 6:01pm
  - Hebe123
    
    Who is entitled? My dogs go mental at groups of kids in masks.. So I have a sign on the gate saying Do Not Come in here Trick or Treating as it upsets the dogs. Guess how many kids and their caregivers are so entitled they ignore the sign? And guess who would be euthanised if a child was bitten on my property by a stressed dog?
    
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    October 31, 2022 7:20pm
- MCōs
  
  Have you activated the retracting bollards to stop the new breed of tricksters.
  
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  October 31, 2022 6:04pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Van loads of kids from Mangere arrive at the top of the Avenue and their parents wait for them to come back with whatever they can lay their grubby little hands on.
  One year we forgot to lock the gates and had to hide upstairs and watch thru the shutters. When we didn’t answer the door, we saw one little Ahole tip our pot-plants over on the porch.
  
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  October 31, 2022 6:35pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I think you are full of shit.
    
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    October 31, 2022 7:06pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Chinese, Chinese, Dirty Knees, look at these!
      
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      October 31, 2022 7:26pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Racist and full of shit.
        
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        October 31, 2022 7:50pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I am surprised that the Mods allow racist comments here. You have a track record.
        
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        October 31, 2022 7:51pm
      - Its only I
        
        Two things you probably shouldn’t do when pissed maggie,
        buy shit off trademe or post shit on forums.
        
        At least the latter can be fixed with an apology.
        
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        October 31, 2022 11:18pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Fancy neighbourhood like Remmers you should be giving out the expensive candy! Prepare yourself for the tricks then Maggie, you might be pulling toilet paper out of your trees in the morning.
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:36pm

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