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krazykiwi

It is logo redecoration time for virtue signalling corporates.

Down come the Ukranian flags.

And up go the gay pride rainbows. But just not for their middle eastern divisions.

The VISA one is telling: “Love uplifts everyone, everywhere”.

Everywhere except the Middle East it would seem.
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June 3, 2022 8:02am
- Matt Long
  
  I guess the Ukraine flags never went up in Russia, China or Belarus either. It’s pretty cynical.
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:05am
- Scott
  
  Yes it’s interesting to me that homosexuality is now seen as a positive good. You are a good person if you support homosexual causes. The gay pride logo marks you out as a virtuous person.
  Which is the complete opposite of our Christian understanding. Under Christianity the pagan beliefs about homosexuality were jettisoned and we instead went to the standard of one man and one woman in marriage for life. This provided us with a basis for strong and stable families and hence strong nations.
  
  Today the family is collapsing in many cases and has to be supported by massive social welfare payments and interventions.
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:01am
  - Ehlana
    
    I think we have swung from a society that only acknowledged and approved of the traditional family of husband, wife and their children to acknowledging and approving everything but this form.
    
    Given the strong correlation that seems to exist between single (usually Mum) parenting and poverty, perhaps we should have a “two parent pride” month and celebrate parents who actually take responsibility for caring for their own children. Maybe if young men saw being a good father as a socially approved and celebrated role, it might become more popular?
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:04am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Agreed. Whether guided by a moral, religious, or secular evidence base, it makes no difference: Children raised by their committed, biological parents are over represented in the cohort of constructive citizens.
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:47am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Not just approving everything but the traditional nuclear family; they are actively promoting homosexuality, the insanity that is the belief in trans-genderism, and all sorts of other aberrations.
      
      At the same time they are tearing down the traditional institutions of faith (unless it’s one particular ideology), family and marriage. As well as doing away with the need for personal responsibility or a good work ethic. Gummint shall provide all.
      
      If only there were many classic examples in our history that showed the inevitable outcome of nonsense such as this. Oh wait…
      
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      June 3, 2022 12:14pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        If you are thinking long-term and want to implement oligarchic globalism and a centralised system of control, with its rootless, atomised, interchangeable consumers who share no history or common ancestry, and to remove all barriers to profit, then one of the first things you would do is attack and repudiate the bulwarks of society: Faith, Family and Nation. All of these have been subjected to a concerted attack, and all have been severely weakened as a consequence.
        
        To do this you would introduce subversive ideas such as secularism, hedonism, hyper-individualism, feminism, gay rights, radical egalitarianism, multiculturalism, and the like. All of these ideas have been introduced to Western society to bring about its demise, or where they weren’t introduced, they were promoted and actively encouraged. The results are the world we live in today.
        
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        June 3, 2022 1:24pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      One of cultural Marxism’s goals is to destroy the family unit.
      
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      June 3, 2022 6:15pm
  - Alwynn
    
    Are you really sure that Christianity, or at least its founder, really wanted these “strong and stable families”?
    After all Jesus, as quoted in Luke 14:26 said “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple”.
    Is that what you are talking about?
    
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    June 3, 2022 11:36am
    - Don Beckett
      
      An out of context quote does not make your point.
      
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      June 3, 2022 12:20pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        It’s not a quote Don, well not from an actual person anyway. Quoting a snippet of a fairy story made up hundreds of years after the fictional events they purport to discuss is not the same as quoting an actual person – in context or otherwise.
        
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        June 3, 2022 1:40pm
      - Centrist
        
        @Loddenthinks
        
        The book of Luke was written by the same author as the book of Acts. It is believed to have been written before Acts as the latter follows on from it like a sequel. Acts chapter one writes about his “former book”. Acts is believed to have been written about 30 years after the death and resurrection of Christ with Luke preceding it.
        
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        June 3, 2022 2:02pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      Educate yourself in Scripture, bud. And also understand that the English Bible is a rendition of words from foreign, archaic languages.
      
      In this instance “hate” is taken to mean ‘love less’ : i.e .love Jesus less than you love your father.
      
      And in the Bronze-Age patriarchal Middle-East society of Jesus’ time [not that anything has changed there re that mindset] it was a test of faith which Jesus was positing.
      
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      June 3, 2022 6:28pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Hey Scott how about less of the “we” and “ our”. “ I” statements are nice. When Christianity was adopted as the official religion of the Roman Empire it’s my understanding that the decision was made at the top not from the bottom. Pre Christian Rome had family life and was a pretty robust entity that collapsed after its adoption of Christianity. I’m not suggesting that it was because of this adoption but merely pointing out that Christianity has nothing to do with strong nations you know like Japan or Israel or maybe China neither does it have anything to do with strong families which exist in all human societies and always has. Homosexuality didn’t disappear with that adoption either it merely became persecuted only to cease as the church lost its power. The promotion of the rainbow community and the corporate virtue signalling has nothing to do with individual homosexuals in the same way that the trans lobby doesn’t speak for individual trans people. The problem started when the state began to take on fatherhood and now motherhood as well. IMHO.
    
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    June 3, 2022 1:20pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Stella.. You need to refrsh your knowledge of history. Pre-Christiam Rome was in a state of moral collapse & political suicide – it was Christianity that took over the mantle , converted most of the belligerent barbarian tribes and established law, order & reason – Christendom held Europe – and the middle east until the muslim invasions – in a state of order and partial peace for a thousand years. It was the advance of what you seem to promote that has caused the collapse of order & morality in today’s world.
      
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      June 3, 2022 5:03pm
      - Stellaboxer
        
        pre Christian Rome? That’s a very lengthy history. At what point do you consider pre Christian Rome was falling apart? Pre Christian Rome covers it’s beginning it’s prime and most of its decline so what’s your point ? My point is that Christianity doesn’t make strong families or strong states it’s a ridiculous claim made by Christians . Rome ultimately fell apart when it was Christian.
        
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        June 3, 2022 5:58pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Watch the Silver Lake money be squandered. Every man and his dog will have his hand out. Whether it’s female players & their enablers wanting everything from equal pay to fancier facilities; the Christchurch stadium holding out the begging bowl or concussion victims wanting a top up to ACC, everything will have an extra nought on it & the money will be gone in five years.
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June 3, 2022 8:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hasn’t the pie already been divided? Players, provincial, and union, if provinces waste theirs, that’s their problem, players deserve their share, snd the union will not waste theirs. Silver Lake have to improve all black income, snd have hands in several stadia pies. I have stood at the door of Madison square garden, not sure how big it is in side, but just imagine if they are able to put a test on in there for big payers. It maybe impossible, but in this day and age maybe not
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:31am
  - RichardF
    
    Madison Square Garden is not a football stadium, it hosts basketball, ice hockey, boxing, pro wrestling and also concerts. Metlife Stadium would be the one, it can host 80k+.
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I realise that, as I said I have stood outside the place, it’s in doors, but I am not sure if it wouldn’t be adaptable, sliver lakes has a statue in Madison square garden, it’s for them to earn the all blacks more revenue, it is possible a fans could be set up (test match) with a small crowd of high paying spectators
      
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      June 3, 2022 11:57am
- greybeard
  
  Exactly my sentiments.
  It will be the Rugby equivalent of Waitangi Tribunal settlements: those at the top benefit, those at the bottom get nothing.
  
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  June 3, 2022 1:13pm
Tony Stuart

I received an e-mail from Christopher Luxon last night; a very welcome, clear and unambiguous email. It read thus:

Labour has confirmed the worst fears of local communities by tabling a bill to ram through its Three Waters agenda.

We need your help to stop it.

Local government is in open revolt, and the public overwhelmingly opposes this blatant asset grab. Yet Labour is determined to impose its ideology 0against the wishes of communities.

The Water Services Entities Bill (Three Waters) tabled in Parliament today, lays out the final plans for the establishment of a complex and unaccountable bureaucracy.

The Ardern-led Labour Government has consistently ignored alternative proposals such as establishing council controlled organisations or contracting services, doggedly pursuing its four mega-entities model.
Under this model your local community will lose its voice and cross subsidise neighbouring communities, all while getting worse outcomes.

This is classic Labour, deciding it knows what’s best for you and your community and centralising decision-making all at your expense.

National has consistently opposed Labour’s Three Waters reforms. Make no mistake, if we are elected in 2023 we will repeal and replace this broken model.

It seems that Nanaia Mahuta has won the battle, and Three Waters will proceed, despite widespread opposition from councils and the public.

Just yesterday it was announced that three councils, Timaru, Waimakariri and Whangarei, are off to the High Court for a declaration on ownership rights and interests. It will be a fascinating case, but even an adverse finding is not likely to stop Mahuta.

Three Waters is shaping up as a major election issue for next year. It’s good to know whose side the National Party is on.
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June 3, 2022 8:06am
- Rodney Hide
  
  Hi Tony
  
  “repeal and replace”? Replace it with what? It could be worse!!
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:19am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    My understanding is that replacement involves local assets remaining under local ownership and control.
    
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    June 3, 2022 8:21am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If it’s not broken, it does not need fixing.
      
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      June 3, 2022 9:33am
      - mandk
        
        But it is broken, as Tomtoddy points out below.
        
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        June 3, 2022 9:38am
      - David George
        
        “If it’s not broken, fix it till it is”
        Core Labour principle.
        
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        June 3, 2022 9:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        mandk, if Mahuta and whanau get control there will be no stopping them. Just look at where all the cuzzys are now.
        
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        June 3, 2022 10:31am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Some water does need sorted, councils have not done their core business, if it takes some investment then fine, but not this billions of waste, but it must stay in council control and out of Maori ownership
        
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        June 3, 2022 10:33am
      - mandk
        
        @ Steve Otto (North Shore)
        
        Your second comment misses my point (as well as Tomtoddy’s, I believe).
        
        There is a real problem with water in NZ that indisputably needs to be fixed , e.g. frequent burst pipes and sewage in waterways.
        
        The fact that Mahuta is using the problem to pursue another, entirely different and objectionable agenda is a separate matter.
        
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        June 3, 2022 11:11am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Underneath this 3 waters nonsense is a real problem. Our infrastructure in many cities is in a mess, old, broken, badly managed. In this day and age allowing sewerage on to your beaches should be preventable but it happens with any sort of heavy rain in Auckland.
    
    Not sure what the whole answer is but local Govt is generally in an awful state. Privatise more services would help.
    
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    June 3, 2022 8:35am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yes indeed,
      
      Take councils back to their original remit and mission statements.
      Basically identify what each and every council is dealing with ie Age of existing infrastructure, Suitability including extra redevelopment utilising same Drains, pipelines etc.
      
      Instead of councils paying for Micky Mouse Sea level rise reports and allowing consents on existing swamps, How about start getting more “resourceful” people on board the councils.
      
      Engineering types would be a good start.
      
      Have a independant review of each council in meeting there Mandates and infrastructure instead of smokey mirrors reporting.
      
      Basicaly get people who know how to get things done and wrap around resources around them.
      
      Allocate resources from Central Government on well run Councils. Basically get rid of the Dead Wood.
      
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      June 3, 2022 8:49am
      - MCōs
        
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        “Take councils back to their original remit and mission statements.”
        Which is what?
        Provide hitching rails on Main Street?
        
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        June 3, 2022 10:03am
      - Master Mariner
        
        MCos, Hitching rails will be a certainty if we go down the Green agenda is followed through.
        
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        June 3, 2022 10:07am
      - graham
        
        A good place to start might be the Councils’ roles and functions as outlined on localcouncils.govt.nz. Note point 2.
        
        https://www.localcouncils.govt.nz/lgip.nsf/wpg_url/About-Local-Government-Local-Government-In-New-Zealand-Councils-roles-and-functions
        
        Territorial Authorities (district and city councils)
        
        Territorial authorities’ responsibilities include –
        
        • Sustainable district well-being.
        • The provision of local infrastructure, including water, sewerage, stormwater, roads.
        • Environmental safety and health, district emergency management and civil defence preparedness, building control, public health inspections and other environmental health matters.
        • Controlling the effects of land use (including hazardous substances, natural hazards and indigenous biodiversity), noise, and the effects of activities on the surface of lakes and rivers.
        
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        June 3, 2022 10:26am
      - MCōs
        
        It’s clear from that list of responsibilities that some, if not all councils, are falling short on a combination of providing what has come to be known as 3-waters and environmental safety.
        Furthermore.
        They don’t have political will to rectify the situation, mainly due to the cost involved. The situation has been left to fester for decades and here we are.
        
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        June 3, 2022 5:45pm
    - RoboRob
      
      I hate to say this but, perhaps there should be a legal requirement for councils to spend x% of rates on maintenance of existing water / sewerage / footpath infrastructure. If set correctly this might stop the issue of councils taking the money and spending it on sculptures etc and keep infrastructure at its current level. Setting the % say 1% higher than required might allow them to play catch up on neglected maintenance.
      
      If councils won’t do there job they should be forced to.
      
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      June 3, 2022 9:15am
      - krazykiwi
        
        How about central government funds 30% of council budget and rates are reduced accordingly. Release of a 0% to 100% proportion of that funding could be made contingent on a normative assessment of the council delivering core services in the year(s) prior. Want some cash for vanity projects? Sure. But do the core stuff first. And for me ‘core stuff’ includes debt restraint and/or reduction, keeping rates increases to ~CPI, roading, water etc.
        
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        June 3, 2022 10:58am
      - yobi
        
        An even better suggestion is that councils take responsibility for the assets they oversee. Here in the Far North our 3 waters are contracted out. This is an open book contract where the contractor is paid a management fee and a percentage on the actual costs. Nothing is repaired properly, upgraded or replaced as it is all about for the contractor to generate as much work to up the return on the over and above. Councils should not be paying profits to contractors for core services.
        
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        June 3, 2022 12:35pm
      - david
        
        Well, at the moment councils are required to fund depreciation. That means that they collect cash in rates each year equivalent to a known proportion of the value of their assets (plant, buildings, vehicles, infrastructure). I understand that the value used in this calculation is replacement value which means that it goes up each year.
        The kicker is that there is nothing to stop them from spending all that lovely homeless cash on feel good stuff which means that when there’s a need to replace a sewer main, or do some serious roadworks, they have to borrow the cash.
        The Council then has two loans. One from its own deprivation fund which has to be ultimately replaced and the other to an outside lender. You also have a Mayor and bunch of complicit Councillors who are hoping like hell that by the time the manure hits the propeller they will be long gone. The architects of this great rort on the ratepayers being the CEO and CFO who incidentally, will not have explained the finer detail to the largely ignorant elected Councillors, will get either a golden handshake or bonus and will find another larger council to push into a state of practical insolvency in the full knowledge that lenders don’t give a fat rats backside about the financial state of Councils as long as the ratepayers can be made to pay by law which makes them and their families the ultimate backstop for repayment and ever increasing interest.
        Same applies to Government borrowing where taxpayers are ultimately liable payment of interest and capital of borrowings. Government borrowing interest rates are lower than commercial rates for that simple reason – the risk is close to zero for a lender.
        
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        June 3, 2022 12:58pm
      - david
        
        “Deprivation” should have been “depreciation “ but the effect could be similar.
        
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        June 3, 2022 1:02pm
    - Sideoiler
      
      The whole answer is to curb council spending on vanity projects and making local government stick to its core bussiness.
      Twinning with a sister city and jollies for councilors is not the core bussiness.
      
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      June 3, 2022 9:25am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        That made me remember smiling when I saw this meme using a UK car tax windscreen sticker to make a similar point.
        
        https://live.staticflickr.com/8518/8514652589_901b97bc3a.jpg
        
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        June 3, 2022 9:38am
      - yobi
        
        How we vote needs to change. Barry Curtis was a minority mayor for over 20 years and did nothing for Manukau city. While most voters will struggle with it, score voting is a far fairer system.
        
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        June 3, 2022 12:39pm
    - James Stephenson
      
      Auckland has spent $1.2b to build a bloody big sewer to make sure that all the shit that currently goes into the Waitemata harbour instead ends up in the Manukau Harbour.
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:30am
    - kowtow
      
      Funny innit that Goff wants a ‘climate change” legacy but why not fix the pipes that poop on the beaches every time it rains ?
      
      Meanwhile while city dwelling human shit pollutes our beaches and water ways the Media Pardy , lefties and fellow travellers constantly attack the folk that keep this country going , the farmers.
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:37am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He is Chris Bishoos father, and he was part of setting up tax payers union, he was pointing out that Robertson is trying to buy back votes, snd where he has failed don’t think so, Nats want it back in council and peoples hand, they may invest in its improved outlook, but if you are suggesting somehow the same model without Māori ownership, I am sure that is wrong, repel means repel
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:11am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    That’s what I thought Rodney!
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:26am
  - Liberty
    
    Rodney
    As there will be a National/ Act Government next year. Being pedantic over a technicality is unhelpful.
    
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    June 3, 2022 4:20pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Repealing Three Waters is like taking Aspirin to dull the pain of cancer.
  
  I’m pleased Luxon plans to repeal, but where is his surgeon’s knife? Will he tackle systemic racial separatism at its root? History suggests that is unlikely.
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:23am
  - Gravelroad
    
    The Labour Party knows that for most of its voters, three waters is not much of an issue.
    So long as water comes out of the tap and goes down a plug hole – who cares where it came from or where it goes after use?
    That is the reality.
    And the Greens will be happy that they are being seen to be doing something about all the dirty polluters of “our water” in the provinces, and making up a few more avenues of regulations and taxes – perhaps not applying to Maori owned land though.
    
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    June 3, 2022 8:31am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It is Labour voters i hear the most out raged in my set of people. when people start getting ripped off over water they will be outraged.
      We do not pay water tax in Dunedin , they say our starting point will be $1500 a year, how do you think this will go down during the cost of living crisis
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:38am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Maybe so – but will it be an issue when they find that their water etc. is costing twice as much to feather the nests of an elite ethnic minority?
      I think they’ll moan & bitch – but too late.
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:41am
  - Nickc2
    
    WRT Luxon, the allies didn’t need to learn to speak German to defeat them during the First & Second World Wars.
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:34am
    - rjay
      
      They sort of did. The royal of course are German and it’s hard to break codes of a language you don’t speak.
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:04am
      - Nickc2
        
        The Battenburgs were’nt on the front line eh?
        
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        June 3, 2022 11:45am
    - Don Beckett
      
      No, most of them already knew it as it is an international language – especially in the engineering field.
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He has stated there will be no separatist services or maori ownership, look at health, he has stated there will be no separate Maori health. how about we give him a chance
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:36am
- pdm
  
  `It seems that Nanaia Mahuta has won the battle’
  
  Mahuta or Willie Jackson whom I think is the `Organ Grinder’. The man behind Mahuta driving 3Waters and Co-Governance.
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:37am
  - RoboRob
    
    Nah, sounds too much like work for Willie Jackson. He will be taking his pay check and watching netflix at parliament.
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Looks like Cindy has given up, they still say they are going to knife Cindy when ever she gets back to parliament
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:39am
- Ruahine
  
  I wish Mr Luxon would stop pussyfooting around and state outright what this 3 Waters is all about.
  It is a ‘clever’ mechanism for Iwi control of the water infrastructure in New Zealand.
  Unelected Iwi/Maori will have 50% of management control.
  The Taxpayers Union are to be commended for their campaign to inform New Zealanders about this underhand grab of public assets.
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:45am
  - Linda Reid
    
    Actually… Maori will have complete control. If you look at the requirements for the non-Maori half of the controlling body, you will see that appointees need an understanding and agreement with (I forget the exact words) Maori worldview.
    
    Only Maori can charge fees – royalties – and they will dominate the controlling body completely.
    
    Even if I live off-grid, I can guarantee there will be a fee for using ‘Maori owned water” at some stage in my future.
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:05am
    - Paulus
      
      Under the Three Waters deal Ngai Tahu will have control over the whole of the South Island which will includes all rainfall, lakes,rivers and the electric power that they generate, most of which goes into the North Island grid.
      Should we be afraid – no way 52% voted for it – so they did not know – so what.
      Clever- yea !
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:26am
      - John Pakes
        
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        Except Paulus. Ngai Tahu will not have control over the assets that you mention. Try and understand the proposal a bit better.
        
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        June 3, 2022 12:00pm
      - Swifty
        
        Put your money where your mouth is John and make a bet here and now that co-governance will not evolve over time to be exactly what you say it won’t.
        
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        June 3, 2022 12:22pm
      - Countrygirl
        
        Can we hold Ngai Tahu responsible when there is a drought? Surely it would be their responsibility to supply farmers a steady reliable rainfall. Likewise floods could be a problem for the tribes.
        
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        June 3, 2022 12:49pm
  - Raphael
    
    It’s a balancing act. If he is too forceful the media will attack his objections as being racist.
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:11am
    - oldfella
      
      Raphael, but if Luxon continues to appear reluctant to confront the elephant in the room – co-governance – his supporters will abandon him. And we might end up with four more years of Labour. Ugg!
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:37am
      - Flossie
        
        How would we end up with four more years of Labour? Will they be extending the parliamentary term?
        
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        June 3, 2022 11:38am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Let them. He shouldn’t shy away from confronting the core issues on account of their obsequious sycophancy.
      
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      June 3, 2022 11:02am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    WHAT BLOODY PART OF REPELING 3 WATERS DONT YOU GET ffs
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:40am
    - krazykiwi
      
      The part where he’s going to replace it. But why? And with what? And what ‘problem’ does he plan to solve? There’s plenty not to ‘get’
      
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      June 3, 2022 11:04am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Putting it back where it belongs is replacing it, some of the wasted billions could have gone into helping councils fix the poorer waters
        
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        June 3, 2022 12:03pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Yes. I didn’t see the words ‘Maori’ ‘Iwi’ ‘tribal’ or ‘race-based’ in the Luxon email quoted above. These are fundamental to the 3 Waters issue, and more broadly, to co-governance as a concept.
    
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    June 3, 2022 1:36pm
- Philview
  
  The winning on the battle isn’t difficult when 85% of the media are covering for you and most of the public are ignorant on the facts. Nanaia Mahuta has at least exposed Co-Governance as being really about sharing power with her family and friends rather than Maori as a whole.
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:33am
  - oldfella
    
    No wonder people are using an N-word to describe Mahuta. She’s got that Nepotism thing down to a fine art!
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:39am
  - John Pakes
    
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    Rubbish Philview. The public are far from being ignorant about the facts. They are hearing them everyday from the media.
    As for the family of Mahuta, you are just spouting a racist rant.
    
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    June 3, 2022 12:03pm
    - Swifty
      
      Please name us some examples of where countries have improved the lives of their citizenry by establishing racial discrimination into their laws.
      
      Any will do.
      
      And, if you are capable of steelmanning, please provide examples where these same policies have led to bloodshed or civil war.
      
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      June 3, 2022 12:20pm
    - Philview
      
      No not racist John. If National had come to power and Chris Luxon was implementing the same corrupt policy and put his sister in charge of 3 Waters and the Maori Health Board my disgust would be identical.
      
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      June 3, 2022 12:32pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, Luxon has been saying this since day one, so was Judith, why so many get their panties bunch on here and that stupid outfit that thinks a second coming from leftie Winston Peters will somehow help is beyond me, read what it says people.
  I received the same email and already knew their stance. I have driven from CHCH and Dunedin a bit the last year, and it’s glaringly obvious that Nats are opposed and will obverse turn this hit too democracy, with the large sway of bill boards saying they will over turn this. It’s time some people started to bloody listen.
  You have two choices people, Cindy run anti democratic regime to drag the centre into poor status which they are doing well, or done hope with Luxon who wants our country to be forward thinking and not a hermit kingdom of ass f…..ery
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:39am
- Jim
  
  Tony, we have to ask if we still live in a democracy? With such rank autocracy in NZ politics today, the future prosperity of NZ is doomed (who will want to live and do business in a nation where privilege is afforded to one ethnicity over all others?).
  
  Paradoxically we’re relentlessly instructed (typically by globalists) that diversity is our strength! If so, why doesn’t NZ embrace all ethnicities of its Kiwi citizens in accepting multiculturalism?
  
  But sooner or later, amongst other shortfalls, such a an underhand co-governance folly will result in a financially weakened NZ.
  
  Such a weakened nation will likely be ever more vulnerable to other more dominant 21st century empires, and subjugation by their own cultural underpinnings (e.g. like we’re about to see with the current CCP creeping expansionism into the South Pacific).
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:46am
- DimChappie
  
  I was also pleased to get that Luxon email but I do not agree that scandal-ridden Mahuta has won anything.
  Yes the plan is proceeding but it is now linked to her nepotism and the most toxic underlying policy: Co-Governance. This awful concept stikes fear into whitey voters and Labour’s polling is heading lower.
  The 3 councils have their High Court hearing on June 7/8 and the Taxpayers Union roadshow kicks off today down South. The war is not over at all.
  
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  June 3, 2022 10:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I think people are say it they have won the cabinet battle, I am hearing they want to push. Indy out, bring it on
    
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    June 3, 2022 12:04pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Dim – my reference to Mahuta winning was in terms of getting the legislation introduced. I gather there has been pressure within Labour to have a breather on Three Waters. But Mahuta and the Maori caucus will push on with Three Waters, despite the widespread opposition.
    
    My understanding is that a lot of the angst is coming from Labour’s back bench, who on Monday night’s Kantar poll would have lost 18 of their number. However Mahuta’s determination to carry only regardless might see that number significantly increased!
    
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    June 3, 2022 1:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The Maori Caucus probably realise that they are most unlikely to ever have such a disengaged leader as Jacinda Ardern.
      They have less than 1 year to push through as much of the He Puapua agenda as they can.
      
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      June 3, 2022 1:35pm
Simon

60 to 70% required for herd immunity. Well that’s before they jaxxed everyone. Apparently 40% have had the covid19. So by August 22 NZ should get to herd immunity percentage required. Well that was the old rules. itss new rules though

This isn’t at half time when it comes to covid19 because they jaxxed everyone.
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June 3, 2022 8:06am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The problem for the multiple jabbed is the damage it does to the natural immune system. Potentially making it impossible for them to achieve that status. Time will tell. 2nd booster now being pushed in NZ. Hard to believe anyone will be taking this.
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Jaspinda sycophants will take the second booster, and also ask “How long before the 3rd booster?”
    I suspect it will be a long time until this socialist control shit stops. Jaspinda needs this and Monkeypox to continue until the Election. Without it, she is nothing.
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:42am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      There is no bister for general public, you are on ya own, let the last man be standing, the only people receiving a second boos are the immune compromised, but from what I have heard they have already had this
      
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      June 3, 2022 9:48am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Stop talking that shit about this immunity crap, I had it, I have not even had a sniffle yet in 4 months, I hear immunities run down a bit straight after the infection, you do bloody realise when ever you have had a virus your immunity always takes a knock ffs? You’re body always builds immunity with your diet and wellbeing, I have never heard such a crock of shit in my life. Biology’s not changed because the pox or the jab
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:46am
    - mawm
      
      That last sentence is a display of your ignorance. Here is a paper on the molecular and cellular changes caused by the mRNA vaccines. I know you’ll never read it and will keep on with your ill-informed views.
      https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869152200206X
      
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      June 3, 2022 1:01pm
    - Hebe123
      
      You’re wrong. Why are you so anti-science?
      
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      June 3, 2022 1:17pm
  - I remember when
    
    immune.org.nz
    Efficacy and Effectiveness:Immunisation Advisory Centre:
    The recommended timing of vaccine doses aims to achieve the best immune protection to cover the period in life when vulnerability to the disease is highest.
    
    So perhaps it’s back to the drawing board.
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I have had it I couldn’t care a shit, it was not even a cold for me, a bit of hay fever, didn’t even test positive on the rat, till it was over, by then I was not infectious.
  I see quite a few are gotta second positive now, it would be interesting to see if these cases are less servere
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:43am
Maggy Wassilieff

Chris Trotter discusses the threat to democracy coming from the “unholy alliance” of elites who have been directing public monies into their private projects.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/06/02/chris-trotter-nanaia-mahutas-super-narrative-and-the-blind-eye-of-our-mainstream-news-media/
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June 3, 2022 8:10am
- Opie
  
  Spot on.
  
  You know it’s bad when a tribal labour guy like Trotter suggests they are fucking the country
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:34am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He has actually been doing this for some time
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:49am
    - david
      
      Indeed, but his normal stance is generally a whiny toxicity and people with enough perceptual ability to read have stopped looking.
      Chris can rant and write as much as he likes about the shortcomings and failures of the Government but the phone is off the hook.
      
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      June 3, 2022 1:16pm
- Prince
  
  Excellent article. National needs to nail it’s pro-democracy colours very clearly to the mast next year.
  Our country will not accept apartheid being pushed through by He Puapua and co-governance, a fact that Labour knew all too well in 2020 when they hid these policies during the ‘Covid election’.
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:56am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They have, no too three waters, last nights email guarantees this, snd they said there will be no separatist services, and they have stated the Māori health thingy will be gone
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:51am
  - Surely Knott
    
    The time to nail your pro democracy colours to the mast was when the government mandated a “provisionally approved” vaccine, gave indemnity to the manufacturer, and banned people without it from travelling, working, shopping, socialising, attending funerals etc. The time to speak out was when the govt said they were creating two classes of people and smirked. Putting up a pro democracy flag on your brand after you supported the undemocratic medical apartheid and shamed those who failed to comply will not be easily forgotten. Chris “get boosted” Bishop!?! That’s why Matt King left and started a party literally called Democracy.
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:42am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggy: Trotter is making more and more sense…mind you, he is a “stale pale male”, just like me, so that may be why I think that.
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:03am
  - Opie
    
    DG, I got called that in a managers meeting once (I was 41!). Said our leadership group needed more diversity.
    
    Stood up, asked the general manager why someone with a different skin colour would do a better job than me and I would be more interested in someone’s knowledge, ideas and attitude. Faced with a vacant stare, I then asked if he would have dared say the opposite to a group of people who were dark, fresh and female? Walked out and took a role with a different company.
    
    The final irony? To replace me, the final 2 applicants were a 50 year old white English guy (typical negative pom) and a young half Maori guy (more than qualified and experienced for the role and full of energy too). Yep, they took the white guy.
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:37am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The Māori guy would not have been half, probably 1 16th if that
      
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      June 3, 2022 9:54am
- Philview
  
  Then he follows up with a couple of articles that it is vital we keep National/ACT out of power. I can’t understanding his thinking.
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:35am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That’s a Marxist for you, clearly he is not waking up, he is pointing to rotten Labour to wake them selves up
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:55am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

What about Cuddles having to apologise to his Front-Line staff for saying…. “they were responsible for KILLING 60 people during Police pursuits”

What an absolute COCKWOMBLE!!

https://twitter.com/NewshubPolitics/status/1532448991622754305
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June 3, 2022 8:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That’s the government type of talk. They might have snookered him
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:56am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, Cuddles made the ‘police killed 60 people’ statement was made on the TV3’s AM Show. His internal apology only came to light when it was leaked to the same show.
  Not good enough: Coster’s apology, like the accusation, should also have been made public.
  
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  June 3, 2022 10:48am
  - oldfella
    
    Shudda checked my comment for editing errors. A few in there. Sorry. 😉
    
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    June 3, 2022 11:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Government lied:

New Three Waters bill fails to provide final privatisation safeguard

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/three-waters-entrenchment
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June 3, 2022 8:14am
- Souvlaki
  
  Eh….quelle surprise!
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:20am
- mandk
  
  Of course the Gov’t lied.
  
  It comes naturally.
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:29am
- G152
  
  And why should any of us be surprised that they have lied, lie and, in the future, will lie again
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sometimes they lie by omission – things that we don’t need to know
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:49am
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Are you in favour of changing our country’s name?

Tick UP for yes,
Tick DOWN for no.

Comment optional.
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June 3, 2022 8:17am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Aiming for an all-time downtick record, eh Nick!
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:27am
  - Nickc2
    
    No, I’m intending to copy the findings and comments verbatim and send them to my local MP.
    
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    June 3, 2022 8:36am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Good man, and tell your MP you want an answer and action.
      
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      June 3, 2022 9:50am
      - Nickc2
        
        I’m not expecting much if anything from my local MP because he’s a gay Maori (he’s just over the border from your MP), However, to stay silent in such circumstances is to let them think they’ve won the argument and that’s not how I operate.
        
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        June 3, 2022 10:00am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Sorry, I hit down tick but up tick has come through, should be 61-0
      
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      June 3, 2022 9:58am
  - RightNow
    
    My money is on Pakes for the win.
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:26am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Or Mike with his many pseudonyms……
      
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      June 3, 2022 9:54am
- John Pakes
  
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  To what?
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:30am
  - Nickc2
    
    That would be the subject of another debate.
    
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    June 3, 2022 8:37am
    - John Pakes
      
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      Another debate? But that would be silly. Your ‘poll’ simply asks if we should have a name change. Dumb question, you will almost be guaranteed to get a whole lot of downticks as no-one just wants to change our name. It is not that bad.
      Hopefully, those who have to see the results of your ‘poll’ will treat it accordingly with a quick journey to the rubbish bin.
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:09am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You are not Mike are you? He has many pseudonyms!
        
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        June 3, 2022 10:34am
- septic skeptic
  
  I’m in favor of holding a referendum
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:34am
  - mandk
    
    It will never happen, unless Labour needs a pro-referendum support party to stay in power.
    
    Whatever else Ardern might be, she’s not stupid, and she knows that a referendum on this issue would be lost by about 80:20.
    
    National wouldn’t dream of having a referendum on this issue, unless it wants to rub the noses of the Maori-supremacists in their own excrement.
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:50am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No, but Cindy would simply say yes we will change the name of the country to get the support of MP, but Nats can say no, it must be a binding referendum, see how it works, it would be a resounding no
      
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      June 3, 2022 12:10pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And it must be binding, as Luxon said it’s constitutional, and should not be sided with this rotten government
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:59am
  - Nickc2
    
    Justify the requirement first.
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:02am
Maggy Wassilieff

When will our Dear PM declare a Crime Crisis?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/06/calls-for-pm-jacinda-ardern-to-declare-crime-crisis-as-dairy-owners-arm-themselves-amid-spike-in-violent-robberies.html
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June 3, 2022 8:19am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Cindy needs to wake up as to what’s going on in this country!
  
  Even Sleepy-Joe was on to it….
  
  https://twitter.com/openpanic/status/1531826748975087616
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:37am
  - Philview
    
    I saw a couple of photos of Sleep Joe with his hands all over Jacinda. For once I felt sorry for her.
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:38am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She knew what she was going into, she will love it
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:00am
    - kevn
      
      @Phil… I didn’t.
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I like that!
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:56am
  - Paulus
    
    Cindy has five more overseas photo shoots this year so do not expect anything from her until after Christmas.
    Manuta appears to have taken over and Robertson coaleses – in hope that Cindy will go soon.
    
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    June 3, 2022 1:58pm
- graham
  
  A Crime-ate Crisis?
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:57am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggy: Those dairy owners shouldn’t worry – help is at hand! the three strikes repeal Bill moved a step closer to becoming law yesterday when it had its second reading.
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:08am
  - RoboRob
    
    I believe the goverments solution to ram raids is a fund where tax payers will pay to to in bollards around dairies that have been ram raided.
    
    Nice to see them addressing the core problem as usual. It’s easy to do this sort of fix when you are spending someone elses money. Don’t think through the issue and identify a solution, just throw money at a problem.
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:19am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Because they care!
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:50am
- Lee C
  
  F**k only just got used to the Housing Crisis the Rising Poverty Crisis, Cost of Living Crisis, the Health Crisis Kids’ Literacy Crisis and the Fuel crisis, …
  
  But… covid…
  
  Or something…
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Or something – Monkeypox crisis (in the making)
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:59am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Climate Crisis – in fact worse than that – it’s a Climate Emergency. What a load of bullshit.
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The pox is done, you will not find any sane person wanting to go back to lockdowns
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The socialists are not sane, they are different people.
      
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      June 3, 2022 11:58am
lastmanstanding

I note on the Bolt Report last night a study has found a significant increase in young people ( under 30( who identify as what I call “Alphabets”. However further study reveals they are actually ‘straight” but pretend to be gay because its trendy.
Guess what. Almost all are Lefties. Another example of the Left being frauds even when it comes to themselves.
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June 3, 2022 8:21am
- David Garrett
  
  lastman: However further study reveals they are actually ‘straight” but pretend to be gay because its trendy.
  
  The exact same phenomenon is happening regarding identifying as Maori. In 50 years or so – since Winston Peters explained away his dusky hue by claiming to be Italian, and thus getting the nickname Luigi at law school – we now have a vast number of the population identifying as Maori, even if they have blonde hair and blue eyes, and only have a trace – if that – of Maori blood.
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:13am
  - RoboRob
    
    Why the F wouldn’t you identify as Maori. You get easier entrance into education, better health care (free flu jabs, faster access to the COVID vax etc), potentially able to retire earlier, more influence on local authority boards and no one can challange you on anything otherwise they are a racist.
    
    I have been saying to my Wife, who has a smidge of Maori ancestry that she should identify her Whakapapa so that our kids can join the gravy train.
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:23am
    - Opie
      
      On the my health app you can add your Iwi.
      
      Get me out of here.
      
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      June 3, 2022 9:40am
      - RoboRob
        
        Thanks for the heads up. I might add my local iwi, might just get me better health access.
        
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        June 3, 2022 10:02am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Same on mine. My Iwi is ‘Ngati Pakeha’
        
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        June 3, 2022 10:03am
    - stewmar
      
      Why the F wouldn’t you identify as Maori.
      
      And die earlier!!!!
      
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      June 3, 2022 10:49am
  - David George
    
    It’s strange that people would voluntarily declare themselves part of an “oppressed minority” and have to endure all that systemic racism.
    Or it’s all bullshit.
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:03am
  - kowtow
    
    There’s a joke down south about the number of people who signed up to Ngai Tahu once they learned there were handouts under that Nat approved fifth and final settlement ……and yes the blond hair and blue eyes lends credence to the Ngai Tahu nick name of “the white Maoris”.
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:44am
- Raphael
  
  There is a book called Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters by Abigail Shrier (that IIRC caused some upset at being found in an Auckland Library) where the author points out that many teen girls who are currently identifying as being trans would have been anorexic in the late 90s.
  
  I.e. it’s something that they are doing for acceptance and notice, not because they are actually trans, and like many of the girls in the 90’s who were battling anorexia, once they got out of their teens and their worldview matured, they realise that they aren’t trans.
  Unlike the girls in the 90s though, instead of getting medical and psychological to help them overcome this, we have the push to make sure they have major irreversible medical procedures that many are subsequently destroyed by once they past that age.
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:14am
artemisia

Where are all the officials and economists publishing the impact on housing of government stupidities?

Average cost to build 3-bed home skyrockets – QV The average cost of building a three-bedroom home is nearly 21 percent higher than a year ago, according to Quotable Value.

This government is trying to steer rental owners to new builds, using significant financial incentives. Trademe ads for new builds have almost doubled this year so far. Behind many of those is a developer lying awake at night and checking out opportunities across the ditch. And another 1,561 households added to the social housing waiting list in April. Also in April, Kiwibuild homes built – zero, zip, nada.

Meanwhile Poto Williams

”acknowledged it is “tough” for renters and said “affordability is a tough nut to crack”.” … Proposals being “floated” included rent control and indexation, Williams disclosed, saying repeatedly throughout the interview “there is nothing that’s off the table”.

http://www.1news.co.nz/2022/06/02/average-cost-to-build-3-bed-home-skyrockets-qv/
http://www.1news.co.nz/2022/02/02/nothing-off-the-table-as-government-looks-to-support-renters/
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June 3, 2022 8:30am
Captain Mainwaring

Sharon Murdoch the ‘cartoonist’ plumbs new lows this morning.
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June 3, 2022 8:38am
- alex Masterley
  
  Repeat after me: “Sharon Murdoch is not a cartoonist”.
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:43am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    She should go back to where her talents lie. Dog poo scooper upper. Same as Ardern should go back to wrapping fish and chips in paper.
    
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    June 3, 2022 8:57am
- graham
  
  My browser is allergic to the Stuff website. Any chance you could provide a précis ?
  
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  June 3, 2022 8:58am
- RoboRob
  
  Wtf is that even trying to say? Just pathetic.
  
  Based on comments here I have been popping into Stuff just to check out the cartoons for a wee while. So far some negative National and some current affairs, nothing negative about the govt yet though.
  
  Couldn’t a similar image have been taken to show a forign affairs minister asleep at the wheel while the Chinese take the pacific or perhaps a minister of police asleep during a ram raid?
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:28am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, very nasty anti Luxon in ODT, often you hear people talking about the cartoon, not lately, it will be going down as a cup of sick
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:03am
Maggy Wassilieff

Josie Pagani has a better grasp of NZ’s position in the World than does our Dear PM

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/128838121/we-should-learn-from-how-the-pacific-has-navigated-between-superpowers
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June 3, 2022 9:02am
Maggie Pie

FOX reporting famous porn star Stormy Daniel’s lawyer, and Trump foe, Michael Avenatti, has been given a 4 year prison sentence for defrauding her.

Good job.
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June 3, 2022 9:03am
- Frank the tank
  
  Was a presidential contender at some stage. LOL.
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He was in 2016
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:04am
- H. Upmann
  
  So the slimy little lying creep Avenatti gets 4 years. Good riddance. Proof that there is a god.
  
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  June 3, 2022 11:03am
Maggy Wassilieff

Golriz Gharhaman identifies the risk NZ runs by cozying up to the US Military machine

“Any support or partnership with the US military must be well defined – such as disaster relief or fisheries monitoring – so New Zealanders can be assured that we will not be dragged into great power political games between the likes of China and the United States which are not in our interests, or the interests of our Pacific community.

https://www.greens.org.nz/pacific_engagement_climate_change_avoid_militarisation
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June 3, 2022 9:08am
- RoboRob
  
  She wouldn’t be saying that if we were siding with China in the pacific against the (Jew loving) United States. Any comment from Golriz on the Russian invasion of the Ukraine or Chinas support for it, no thought not.
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:31am
- Master Mariner
  
  So the thing is, What if Chinese Fishing Vessels owned/sponsered vessels were operating illegally in NZ Search and Rescue area?
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/map/13199/new-zealands-search-and-rescue-region
  
  NZ has one of the largest Navareas in the World to Patrol. ( Again why we need a modern Airforce and “suitable Navy”.).
  
  https://services.maritimenz.govt.nz/navigational-warnings/
  
  NZ Navarea responsibilities.
  
  https://imorules.com/GUID-93FB40C2-D7C1-41FD-8CAD-2C4A5C224121.html
  
  This alone will lead to incidents between China and NZ will not be able to avoid.
  
  In her own words, “How is this not in the interests of the Pacific” ?
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:45am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Having done time doing maritime patrols with RNZAF. Why doesnt NZ get with the program and use Satellite surveillance?
    
    The Patrol Aircraft do radar sweeps with visial inspection(Mark one eyball supported by photos).
    
    If I am to believe the satellite capacity these days. Get RocketLab to punch a couple of Geo Stationary Cameras to replace the gazillions wasted on one of the most boring jobs in the world.
    
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    June 3, 2022 4:16pm
- mandk
  
  I follow a simple rule in my life:
  
  If it is a position espoused by GG (or Davidson, Genter, the gay Mexican dude, or all the other Greens for that matter) it can safely be opposed.
  
  It save a bit of brain space.
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:59am
curry4me

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/06/green-energy-chickens-coming-home-roost-bruce-thornton/

Green Energy Chickens Coming Home to Roost.

This year will graphically demonstrate the malign consequences of the misguided efforts to replace cheap, reliable fossil fuel energy with unreliable, inefficient “renewable” energy like wind and solar. Never in history has a civilization willfully embarked on destroying its material foundations, based solely on a hypothesis rather than scientifically established fact.
The first red flag alerting us to this feckless policy appeared during Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Much of Europe––the most aggressive nations in replacing fossil fuels with wind turbines and solar panels––has grown dependent on Russian exports to make up for the energy lost from shutting down nuclear and coal-fired power plants. Since directly helping Ukraine by fighting is politically impossible, sanctions were imposed on Russia’s oil and gas industries.
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June 3, 2022 9:11am
- Master Mariner
  
  Something Putin was a “keen observer” of.
  
  Really a “Own Goal” and still to be finalised in the outcome.
  
  Can’t help why Merkyl and Schroder ( Pro Russia) have all but kept quiet.?
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:49am
  - kowtow
    
    Lots of articles , and in respectable publications , going back some years of Russian funding of “green” ngo’s .
    
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    June 3, 2022 1:14pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      China as well.
      Sleepwalking indeed.
      
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      June 3, 2022 3:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There’s a lot going on in that item.
  
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  June 3, 2022 10:19am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd2uVmIu3-w
Kiwi Voice talks to Leighton Baker.

A calm and sane voice in these unsettled times, Leighton has garnered a large following with his measured political commentary, caring nature and visions for the future. Joining us in the studio, we spend an hour talking politics and the state of the world – it was awesome hanging out. [58:00]
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June 3, 2022 9:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Tell me, all the people that rave over Baker, he is not tied to any political party any more, why do fools think he is still the back bone of the NC party?
  
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  June 3, 2022 10:06am
  - curry4me
    
    I can answer that uestion easily. Not everyone is a polotics junkie. -;)
    
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    June 3, 2022 7:12pm
Ra Henare

Interesting strategy by Gummint on Official Information requests.

Staff are gaming the system to get more time.

Ie a clarification question(The latest of an inane nature) which when answered, restarts the clock for timing of reply. The question usually 10-14 days after accepting the request..
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June 3, 2022 9:13am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yes, Not only delays but to pass it on to another agency after time is up and to restart the clock again.
  
  I have made complaints due to this very nature of deception.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ombudsman-to-crack-down-on-oia-delays
  “My starting point is always that unless there is a good reason to withhold information, then it should be made available and without undue delay.”
  
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  June 3, 2022 9:53am
- cmm
  
  Yup it’s the oldest trick in the book: do everything you can to avoid doing your real job and serving the people that pay your salary.
  
  When I tried to get permission to install a solar hot water panel I submitted all the plans etc. On the last day of their time to respond, they sent back a letter saying that I needed to show where all the smoke alarms in the house were. Where the smoke alarms are has SFA to do with a solar water panel.
  
  I dutifully sent another plan. On the last day, they sent back a request for some engineering report on the strength of a beam. Since the water heater was adding about 40kg to a concrete tile roof weighing 12 tons (+ approx 3 tons snow during winter) this was pretty childish of them. (Later that beam survived the Darfield EQ fine when there was well over a ton of snow on the roof).
  
  Got a report, sent that in and by the time they came back again the owner of the solar hot water company had had a heart attack and closed down his business. I just gave up at that stage.
  
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  June 3, 2022 12:54pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    These morons should never have been given control over private property by the Wellington morons.
    
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    June 3, 2022 1:12pm
Frank the tank

So 2nd day out of internal jail (ala quarantine) for a mild flu.

So anyone else feel worse after their Kungflu jab than the Kungflu itself?
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June 3, 2022 9:15am
- marleybob
  
  Day 5 for my wife and me, I’m over the coughing your lungs up stage, but my wife is still doing it tough. I feel like I got the energy of a half sucked orange.
  We are both double vaxed but she has the booster which is really working for her (sarc)
  
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  June 3, 2022 10:00am
  - kevn
    
    @marley… maybe you fluked getting ‘delta’?
    
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    June 3, 2022 11:12am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Marley: Have you tried Gees Linctus (from the chemist)? Good for knocking niggly coughs on the head.
    
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    June 3, 2022 6:10pm
- MCōs
  
  I’ve had three covid-19 vaccines, a flu jab, a hip replacement, epilepsy, dvt . . .
  None of them were as bad as watching the first couple of hours of the cricket last night!
  
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  June 3, 2022 10:14am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    It happens every time the Black Caps go into poking and prodding mode.
    Have a decent lash at it or leave it alone is what I say.
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I shouldn’t laff at your distress, but I did.
    
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    June 3, 2022 4:47pm
Frank the tank

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/06/police-commissioner-andrew-coster-apologises-after-backlash-from-officers-over-pursuit-comments.html

What……….a………..cock.

Next he will be apologizing for being a male.
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June 3, 2022 9:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Been done before, but I guess he could remind us again. A totally emasculated twat
  
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  June 3, 2022 10:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  So he should apologise, he may as well have said the police were murderers
  
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  June 3, 2022 12:21pm
Yvette

From Maggy’s link above –

Calls for PM Jacinda Ardern to declare crime crisis as dairy owners arm themselves amid spike in violent robberies

There are calls for Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern to declare a crime crisis as Auckland business owners grapple with a spate of violent robberies and ram raids.

And it’s not the only store, Auckland has been gripped by a crime wave over the past few weeks with an increase in ram raid robberies.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/06/calls-for-pm-jacinda-ardern-to-declare-crime-crisis-as-dairy-owners-arm-themselves-amid-spike-in-violent-robberies.html

“Spike”, “spate” and “wave” all refer to momentary increases that presumably will pass, so instead of reporting, this writer is editorialising or offering an opinion, perhaps consciously or not.
But what does it do for the reader – consciously or not

Meanwhile, since the Christchurch mosques massacres until when Ardern sits with Biden talking about gun control, how many New Zealand shooting instances have there been?
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June 3, 2022 9:29am
ClanMcleod

The Bad Cattitude blog is a delight to peruse. Whoever is behind it has a wonderful talent for framing an issue in a simple way, often with much humour and satire. The latest piece is a fine example.

– why public health “experts” never want to fight “the amateurs”
what kung fu theater can teach us about public health –

They talk about how so called martial arts “experts” of the old school got wasted when it comes to actual fighting instead of showboating. They use this as an excellent analogy of how public health “experts” are all bullshit and hype who collapse under real scrutiny, even from amateurs. Think Baker, Wiles, Hendy, Plank, Jackson.

Re fighting styles:

“the rarified shaolin mystics, karate kiddos, and tae kwon dozers all looked terribly splendid with their flying kicks and punch flurries and wudan wisdom. hell, they scared me early on. their exclusive mystique made for great marketing. but it was bad product. and this became really obvious. many so called “fighting experts” were absolute cupcakes and you could dismantle many a “black belt” without breaking a sweat.”

Just like the health “experts”:

“these alleged epidemiologists and modelers and academics were a bunch of cloistered frauds pushing hocus pocus from the mountain top temples. and they have learned nothing. they got it this wrong in march of 2020. and they were still getting it this wrong 2 years later.

it’s all woo-woo and fear mongering.”

This is what it looks like in motion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob0Ta49vx5o

Style v substance.

“so you grabbed whatever thread looked off to you and started to pull. and it rapidly became obvious that this was neither as complex nor as obscure as was being made out. it was just jargon and authority being used to intimidate and to impress those unfamiliar with what science is supposed to look like (alas, most of the public).”

The full article is very entertaining, prescient and well worth reading.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/why-public-health-experts-never-want?
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June 3, 2022 9:33am
RoboRob

Went to Stuff this morning to see how bad todays cartoon was. Right beside that nonsense was this garbage…

John Bishop
Robertson should have been bolder in ignoring Treasury advice

OPINION: “Here’s a great slogan: Vote National for higher bus fares. Surely an opportunity lost.”

I don’t know who John Bishop is, I didn’t read it because I didn’t want to give them the click. I know this is ‘Opinion’ but WTF, thats not opinion its pure propoganda. When did Stuff ever have something like this..

Roborob
Treasury at whits end dealing with incompetance of ill equiped finance minister.

OPINION: Heres a great slogan: Vote Labour live in a car. Surely an opportunity lost”
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June 3, 2022 9:38am
- Cassandra
  
  Read the column. Bishop is being sarcastic. He’s no cupcake.
  
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  June 3, 2022 10:24am
  - RoboRob
    
    See my point below then. Most people don’t read the articles, they skim the headings. By presenting it this way stuff has done they have a crack at the Nats even though the article may not be.
    
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    June 3, 2022 12:08pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  John Bishop is Chris Bishop’s father, He usually says sensible things.
  
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  June 3, 2022 10:37am
  - RoboRob
    
    Chris might want to ask his dad why he is on stuff running attack slogans on national. if the headline and quote have been taken out of context John might want to talk with management at Stuff.
    
    Most people don’t read articles, they just look at the headings.
    
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    June 3, 2022 10:48am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Read what he bloody said ffs, he was not siding with Labour, he was taking the piss out of the useless Robertson
      
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      June 3, 2022 12:16pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He was being sarc, he was rubbishing the bumbling useless minister of waste and blowhard , he help set up the tax payers union
    
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    June 3, 2022 12:15pm
Maggie Pie

You’d be surprised at the number of times even I’ve been tempted to respond to tweets in this manner…..not that I ever would of course.

https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1531795881565077507

Just saying.
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June 3, 2022 9:47am
- alex Masterley
  
  Break the mold, give into temptation. You know you want to.
  
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  June 3, 2022 12:30pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    “I can resist anything except temptation”
    
    Oscar Wilde
    
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    June 3, 2022 1:03pm
I remember when

If, as Nanaia Mahuta’s spokesperson states, “the Minister has had no involvement in the appointment of family members.”
Does this mean there are no Maori with the required qualifications applying?
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June 3, 2022 9:57am
Gravelroad

Nick Mills on newstalkzb talkback is having another go on council elections and the cycleways mania shutting down Wellington.
He is still talking about people putting their names forward for election in order to “change things.”
This is not what local body elections are about.
No individual on a council can change anything,
The CEO and management structure, overseen by central government, direct the councillors.
Electeds are just mostly irrelevant puppets who have to do as they are told.
This applies especially to councils such as Wellington, which is under the direct control of a political party.
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June 3, 2022 9:58am
- peterwn
  
  This is excessively cynical. It needs to be borne in mind that there are many statutory functions that a Council is responsible for which Councillors are obliged to support and fund. Councillors rely on the Chief Executive to ensure they are carried out. There are however many discretionary things which Councils can do or decide not to do. Councillors make decisions on these.
  
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  June 3, 2022 10:16am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I think it’s becoming apparent that the same problem exists at the top of the NZ political chain, certainly in the case of Ardern. She doesn’t act in the best interests of NZ and is doing the bidding of the WEF and UN. Not a conspiracy, she has public endorsed Agenda 2030 and is clearly a globalist and fan of the WHO taking charge of our health.
  Like the councilors you refer to, “mostly irrelevant puppets who have to do as they are told”.
  
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  June 3, 2022 10:36am
Inandout

About halfway through there is a Trudeau segment, treated in Crowder’s very comical manner. The would be dictator Trudeau is banning handguns from Canada, and because they have no Constitution he can get away with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN-mXtuPLfM
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June 3, 2022 10:14am
Maggie Pie

WELCOME TO LABOUR’S 3RD WORLD….

I know there was a collective tightening-of-sphincters when the local Indian dairy installed a metal roller-door across the front of his shop. Nobody mentioned it. Made out we never noticed.

Now, both the Dairy AND the Butcher, have anchored a row of big ugly steel Bollards along the footpath as well 🙁

Honestly, you’d think they might have consulted with the local Residents first FGS!
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June 3, 2022 10:30am
- MCōs
  
  A few nights ago someone drove a car into the front of a shop, a hairdresser I think, on Onehunga Mall probably for no other reason than it was right across the road from the police station.
  What do you pinch from a hairdresser? Some bloody curlers?
  Apparently the insurance excess runs to several thousand dollars, never mind the disruption.
  I don’t blame any shop that wants to erect some sort of obstacle to protect their frontage. A few bollards look a damn sight better than roller shutter doors or some sort of concertina bars. I doubt if there’s any requirement to consult the community, particularly in a third world ghetto like Remurewa.
  Might be in A few nights ago someone drove a car into the front of a shop, a hairdresser I think, on Onehunga Mall probably for no other reason than it was right across the road from the police station.
  What do you pinch from a hairdresser? Some bloody curlers?
  Apparently the insurance excess runs to several thousand dollars, never mind the disruption.
  I don’t blame any shop that wants to erect some sort of obstacle to protect their frontage. A few bollards look a damn sight better than roller shutter doors or some sort of concertina bars. I doubt if there’s any requirement to consult the community, particularly in a third world ghetto like Remuera
  Might be in Onehunga.
  
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  June 3, 2022 11:50am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hiyaa Cossie…funnily enuff I was thinking about you the other night.
    We went to a really fab Thai Restaurant out at St Heliers. They had a yuge portrait of the King & Queen of Thailand displayed in reception.
    Have you guys met them?
    
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    June 3, 2022 12:06pm
    - MCōs
      
      Depends which king you’re talking about.
      Whatever.
      The answer’s no.
      Chap I worked with who’s an engineer went to a meeting with the present king when he was crown prince. I think he was getting something built. Said he didn’t seem to be the absolute rotter he’s made out to be.
      Then again if he had said he was a rotter he’d be getting out of prison about now.
      Around the same time I was walking with him somewhere downtown and the police told us to get off a bridge because the king’s motorcade was passing by. My mate, being Lebanese/Kiwi kept going until the copper pulled out his gun!
      That was fun.
      
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      June 3, 2022 12:30pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        No no, that’s OK Coss.
        For some silly reason I thort you said you’d married into Thai royalty.
        
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        June 3, 2022 12:43pm
Captain Mainwaring

Does anyone know where Cindy Is?
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June 3, 2022 10:35am
- ClanMcleod
  
  No, but I’ve been enjoying the relative peace and quiet.
  
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  June 3, 2022 10:37am
- kowtow
  
  Long shower after meeting Creepy Joe ……
  
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  June 3, 2022 10:51am
- Flossie
  
  She’s in church!! At cathedral of St Paul Wellington – a service to celebrate the Queen’s jubilee.
  
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  June 3, 2022 12:01pm
- Paulus
  
  She is the Leading attendee at the Morning Service at St Paul’s Wellington giving thanks for our Queen’s Anniversary.
  
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  June 3, 2022 2:07pm
Frank the tank

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2022/06/02/report-desantis-to-veto-35-million-for-tampa-bay-rays-facility-after-teams-anti-gun-rant/

Good Stuff Ronny. Keep kicking these woke corporatists and their slimy hands out for taxpayer funds.
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June 3, 2022 11:06am
Maggie Pie

Thort I’d share with the group.

A bit off topic….but a bestie from Boarding School just sent me this 😀

“BLONDES-DO-IT-BETTER”

https://twitter.com/HaymakerHub/status/1531801341588344834
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June 3, 2022 11:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I thought she was going to continue with the security guy. Certainly knows her stuff.
  
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  June 3, 2022 11:12am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This did not take long. From FB, hope it works.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2188883494769720/permalink/3304232066568185/
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June 3, 2022 11:08am
- mandk
  
  I think a Facebook group for Political tolerance would be better.
  
  Diversity for diversity’s sake alone doesn’t deserve support.
  
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  June 3, 2022 11:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Page operator and admin is Ukrainian I think, now a US Citizen. She has written a couple of books. Name, Olga Pinsky
    
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    June 3, 2022 2:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Gun control.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159316326734205&set=gm.1047776902772632
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June 3, 2022 11:13am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump promotion from Feb 2001.
“Can you hear me?”
“Can you hear me running?”
“Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?”
(“Silent Running,” song by Mike and the Mechanics)
This is the best video adaptation of that song you will ever see. Ever.
https://www.facebook.com/1377880318/videos/10224796206437319
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June 3, 2022 11:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lefties, get the key off Mum and go to your basement.
  
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  June 3, 2022 11:40am
Flossie

Watched the pageantry from London last night. A very decent sized crowd from all over, and not a mask in sight. I think it is no longer compulsory there, but I would have thought some might have elected to mask up anyway (I wouldn’t!)
I will be interested to see if there is a big covid spike there quite soon. If there’s not isn’t there a case for us to give away the mandatory masking too?
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June 3, 2022 11:55am
- Maggie Pie
  
  BBC even showed Andrew skulking behind a Church talking to a Vicar.
  He didn’t have a mask on either 🙁
  Like my partner said… “And the pedo reckons he’s got Covid!”
  
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  June 3, 2022 12:38pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  Are the people of kiwiblog still wearing masks?
  How hard is it to say no thank you when a security guard offers you one?
  
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  June 3, 2022 1:01pm
- mandk
  
  Went into Wellington for lunch today and was appalled at the number of people still wearing their masks.
  
  It was all I could do to prevent myself from shouting at people to take their muzzles off.
  
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  June 3, 2022 3:39pm
cmm

Andy Little: “A promise kept late is a promise kept”.

Can I use that excuse next time I’m 15 hours late with doing a GST return?

It’s going to take them 10 years to build. Thankfully, by then, the competent (or should I say less incompetent) team should be in power so it might almost stay on schedule (and within 150% of budget).

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/128852478/a-promise-kept-late-is-a-promise-kept-one-of-nzs-biggest-infrastructure-projects-finally-under-way
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June 3, 2022 12:42pm
- Swifty
  
  Benefits delayed are benefits denied.
  
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  June 3, 2022 1:10pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The road is not your playground.

Tell that to every cyclist.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128854184/the-road-is-not-a-playground-ten-vehicles-impounded-after-illegal-street-racing-in-wellington
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June 3, 2022 12:55pm
kevn

@cmm… Imagine having angry looking over your shoulder on a big construction job.
Any input from him would be useless.
We just know that.
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June 3, 2022 1:04pm
Maggie Pie

Funny how Monkeypox seemed to vanish now we’re into ‘Pride Month’

Just saying.
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June 3, 2022 1:09pm
- MCōs
  
  It was never a thing in NZ.
  
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  June 3, 2022 4:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Don’t you believe it Cossie! Rampant in Mt Roskill we’ve heard 🙁
    
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    June 3, 2022 5:12pm
Swifty

These last few days I have struggled to think of taxpayer-funded activities less worthy of such support than Samoan Language Week and the myriad initiatives “to keep Gagana Samoa alive in NZ” although I can think of a few equally unworthy.

If NZ-based Samoans want to pass on their language and keep it well spoken here then they can fill their boots. Go for their lives.

Quite what this has to do with the taxpayer though escapes me. My best mate at primary school is Chinese, every Saturday morning he would be taken into Wellington by his folks to spend three hours at the Chinese Association building to learn written and oral Cantonese (in addition to it being spoken at home) and he became highly proficient. No taxpayer involvement whatsoever. The parents paid a bit to the Association for organising it.

If Samoan families value this so much then why can’t they get off their backsides and organise it themselves? Quite why the rest of NZ families must fork out to provide these services to them is a mystery.

Equally if, as William Sio and others claim, doing so is vital to the wellbeing of the Samoan Community, then why isn’t the Labour government doing it for every non-English speaking nationality resident here?

What about Scottish Gaelic? Tagalog? Japanese? Portugese? Russian? Why aren’t these promoted and funded to the same extent? Not enough votes perhaps?

If it is so essential for Samoans won’t that mean that it is essential for everyone? Or are the Samoans somehow special?

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/gagana-samoa-foundation-pacific-wellbeing

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/127560990/language-matters-want-to-support-tonga-support-its-language-in-nz-schools

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/113433061/pasifika-teachers-painstakingly-make-course-materials-by-hand

https://conversation.education.govt.nz/conversations/action-plan-for-pacific-education/pacific-education-funds/pacific-education-innovation-fund/

https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/about/our-funding-strategy/pacific-radio/

Just as importantly, with even Labour saying our health system is under-funded, our Police, Pharmac etc etc etc – why the hell are we wasting scarce taxpayer funds for things the Samoan community are perfectly capable of organising themselves, again, if they truly value this so much?

Or, is the real reason that this taxpayer money is made available is that for purely political reasons it allows William Sio and others to have something to point to and brag about to Samoan voters in return for their continued political support?

In other words, it’s a bribe?
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June 3, 2022 1:09pm
- rangitoto
  
  What no handouts for old Babylonian lessons.
  
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  June 3, 2022 3:20pm
- cmm
  
  Yup, I’m all for alternative cultural enrichment, but not at the expense of the taxpayer, school time etc.
  
  Samoan cultural activities should rank alongside other cultural activities such as Morris dancing, St Paddy’s day benders etc.
  
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  June 3, 2022 4:03pm
Swifty

I hear it’s now ‘transphobic’ to not wish to date a trans person.

Good to know.
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June 3, 2022 1:47pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  not if you’re ‘super-straight’ or ‘ultra-straight’ that is your gender identity is someone who is only attracted to people born of the opposite sec. Play ’em at their own game.
  
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  June 3, 2022 2:56pm
- skyblue
  
  Happy to be a transpose then.
  
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  June 3, 2022 5:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Dear PM has just opened a Centre to Research violent extremism.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/128856949/government-launches-violent-extremism-research-centre-he-whenua-taurikura

Looks like the researchers will have no shortage of daily research material from our city streets.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300605328/one-person-critically-injured-after-shooting-near-south-auckland-court
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June 3, 2022 2:52pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/128857184/coroner-finds-black-power-member-died-in-motorcycle-accident-while-likely-delivering-newly-cooked-batch-of-methamphetamine
  
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  June 3, 2022 4:48pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Gosh, that’s bad luck
    
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    June 3, 2022 9:46pm
Tony Stuart

A shooting in Papakura this afternoon, near the Courthouse, and in broad daylight has left one person in a critical condition in Middlemore Hospital.

It might not be the best time to praise the Prime Minister for New Zealand’s efforts in gun control…

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/06/03/shooting-leaves-1-critical-in-papakura-auckland/
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June 3, 2022 2:54pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Were you just on the brink of praising her, Tony?
  
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  June 3, 2022 2:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    D.I.C.K.
    Come on Moderators. Mike is getting stuck into Maggi. May be within the rules but Mike gets away with it and ‘others’ don’t. ????
    
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    June 3, 2022 6:18pm
- Prince
  
  In the alternative universe inhabited by Labour, the Media and their devotees, this is further proof that ‘Jacinda’s’ Gun Reforms are working.
  Somehow.
  
  Whisper quietly how the Christchurch shooter got his gun licence after Labour had quietly binned the reforms National introduced in 2017, after a Select Committee Inquiry report in June 2017.
  
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  June 3, 2022 6:13pm
Maggie Pie

It’s quite funny these days to hear some old guy saying…
“he blew the tranny”
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June 3, 2022 3:10pm
- Inandout
  
  MP, I guess before tranny they used to say ‘blew me valve’.
  
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  June 3, 2022 5:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From my friends in Alaska:
The US Government has been arming Ukraine because they’re allies.
The US Government has been seeking to disarm Russia, because they’re opponents.

In totally unrelated news, the US Government seeks to disarm you.
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June 3, 2022 3:41pm
Maggie Pie

I was reminded how when his elder-brother died, Hunter found comfort in his SiL’s arms….

https://facebook.com/RTNews/posts/10160885089229411
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June 3, 2022 3:49pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Not just her arms apparently.
  
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  June 3, 2022 4:12pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hi Maggie
  I’ll be a bit busy this weekend. Could you please post a summary on Tuesday of the highlights from Twitter? It’s always helpful to have an update on what crazy people are sharing and believing.
  
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  June 3, 2022 4:49pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You mean you’ve got a property inspection on Monday from your Indian landlord?
    Don’t forget to fish those socks out from under the bed 😛
    
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    June 3, 2022 5:09pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Fleshlites.
      Karcher waterblasters in the morning
      
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      June 3, 2022 6:30pm
  - Inandout
    
    m&m, judging from your comment I suspect you secretly wish Musk would walk away from Twitter.
    
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    June 3, 2022 5:38pm
Suze Wainwright

Has anyone polled Auckland’s Beautiful Set to assess their acceptance of Maori Arts, Literature and Culture receiving more equitable funding vis-a-vis pakeha artistic endeavor funding in aotearoa’s emerging co-governance structural arrangements?

After all, Maori creative types have been waiting 180 years for their share of the pie.
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June 3, 2022 3:52pm
Maggie Pie

Just been watching the news.
More gang shootings, baby deaths, ram raids.
Thinking to myself…. it must be at least 2 or 3 years now since we’ve seen a Police Car parked outside Bakers Delight on Remuera Rd while the boys enjoyed a mid-morning donut.
Honestly, since that woke Cuddles took over, Aucland is fcuked!!
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June 3, 2022 6:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Probably would have been better to house The Centre of Research Excellence for Preventing and Countering Violent Extremism somewhere in Auckland.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/468441/centre-of-excellence-for-countering-violent-extremism-launched
  
  Research folks could just look out their office window to collect data and could conduct interviews with victims each time they popped down to the local dairy/hairdresser/cafe/bus stop.
  
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  June 3, 2022 6:57pm
  - nathie
    
    Great idea! Then again looking at who the two directors of the Centre are (according to the article), no doubt they will deem any thugs as “victims” of “pale/stale/male culture” (and the latter need a good dose of “decolonising”)! 🙁
    
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    June 3, 2022 8:56pm
Niz

Sigh. Well known disinformation producer, TVNZ, tells us that 35% of people apparently want the dairy herd reduced to fight climate change.
If true, it seems that constantly feeding people nonsense like methane from cows is harming the climate actually has an effect.
It’s going to take quite a bit of work to undo the damage the alarmists are causing.
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June 3, 2022 7:08pm
Maggie Pie

We just heard HDPA saying the reason Mike Bush probably missed out on the top job with the FBI….. “was because of an old drink-drive conviction he had from back in the 80’s.”

LOL!! She’d be well aware of the REAL reason like everybody else does that’s in the know.
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June 3, 2022 7:23pm
Paul Marsden

You mean Scotland Yard?
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