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April 3, 2005 10:22am by David Farrar

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The SST has an update on the Peron affair. No new material, but interviews with Peron, Perigo and Hide.

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TheProphet

Interesting to note that the SST did not have one mention of Capill. One of the major stories of the week is conspicuious by it’s absence.

Locke Foundation reporting of the Capill story seems to involve Perons name coming up in the second paragraph in all 3 instances that it is mentioned.

Funny a soon to be convicted child molester is less important than someone who may or may not have said something not acceptable today 20 years ago.
Ahh I guess they have god on their side.
Watch out for christians

Allah protect us.
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April 3, 2005 10:37am
Lampedusa

Interesting link from SST

Perigo-Coddington-Flannagan-Peters

From so called journalist to MP to self appointed christian crusader to MP.
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April 3, 2005 11:22am
peter

Hah at least thier calling a spade a spade (or shit brown)…
“The Peron allegations surfaced after inquiries by a Dunedin couple, Madeleine and Matthew Flannagan, who were list candidates for the Christian Heritage Party and are members of the Locke Foundation, a conservative Christian activist group.”

Liberal locke group, my ass.
If only theyd do that to Maxim now…
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April 3, 2005 1:29pm
Ruth

I couldn’t find your email addy Farrar..I was going to send this privately so you can be Orwellian and delete this if you like.

Now Perigo is the villain in this. Peron and Perigo were good friends, until Peron disagreed with Perigo on his Libertyloop about the movie “The Titanic”. Perigo liked it, Peron thought it was anti-capitalist and Perigo- never sympathetic to those who disagree with him – took umbrage. A few weeks later Peron, a non-smoker, asked for the windows to be opened at an Objectivist meeting due to the smoke, and again Perigo took umbrage at this innocent request. He subsequently spat the dummy , and after supporting Peron’s immigration request, brought up paedophilia accusations to the list, digging up tripe from decades ago.

Perigo has been the prime mover in this – make no mistake.
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April 3, 2005 3:01pm
Jaffantastic

We can see now that Perigo wanted to destroy Perron and do so that he didnt have his fingerprints on the smoking gun.( Time to rewatch ‘Strangers on a Train’ -who will LP bring down in return)

Peters wanted to fling dirt at Hide by linking him to Perron ( Rodney has dropped his description of Perron as his ‘special friend’ from his online version of the ACT conference speech he gave, never too busy to rewrite history ?).

The Flannigans wanted another victim to tar when their ‘special friend’ Capill was exposed.

But why would Coddington want to end up embarrassing Hide ?
Et Tu Brute
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April 3, 2005 3:07pm
Ruth

Because she wants to be leader.I like Coddington, but she is duplicitous. Her and Perigo have fallen out many, many times. He used to say he loved her. Then she joined ACT and he was crying in his red wine claiming her traitorous. He hates ACT, hence some of the animosity re Hide/Peron. But how are Libertarian ideas to get traction except via ACT? There is no other vehicle. Peron is a fine man and I stand by that.
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April 3, 2005 4:54pm
TomV

I found teh SSTs completre lack or reporting on Capills conviction remarkable. WTF is going on there?
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April 3, 2005 5:59pm
Richard

There is no other vehicle? What willful ignorance! It’s enough to make you vote Libertarianz.
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April 3, 2005 6:01pm
Graham watson

ACT could hardly be called a libertarian party, although some of the MP’s including Rodney are definitely of that flavour.
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April 3, 2005 6:10pm
phil u

the libertarianz are to act as the aotearoa legalise party is to the greens..

cheers
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April 3, 2005 6:44pm
Madeleine

I guess it is a lot easier to believe that Lindsay Perigo, Wintston Peters, Matt, Glenn, Ruth, David and myself (The Locke Foundation Board) and Deborah Coddington are all visciouys liars with bad agendas who have all made up the same story about Jim.

Undoubtedly we manufactured Unbound and flew to the Library in America and slipped it into their collection and hacked into their online listings and included it.

Can you hear yourselves? The ridiculous lengths you will go to to believe anything but the truth.

I do not believe that Jim renounced his views at all. He used to be a neo-nazi, you can still purchase his anti-Jewish tracts on white supremicist websites, but he has admitted this and denied it without anyone dragging the truth from him.

On the subject of adults having sex with children he as lied, then lied some more, then lied again.

At first he had never written an autobiographical account of his own abuse that he used as a platform to justify paedophilia – how dare anyone suggest otherwise. Then once we found Unbound, he wrote it but did not write the justifications of paedophilia in it. Then a bit later, when he wrote of boylovers in the section justifying paedophilia, he did not mean paedophiles, he meant adults that like boys platonicly. If this was so then why attack the gay rights movement? Why call for the human rights of boylovers? Why speak of society calling it abuse?

How much more fantastic does Jim’s story have to get before you get it?

He lied to all of us, he lied to you. He supported adults having sex with kids and I do not buy he no longer supports it. He surrounds himself with young men whom he likes to guide, he is a control freak and he has the ability to manipulate people to an unbelievable level. Add to that his recent articles where he is equates age of consent laws with bad puritan laws and calls to the good old days where age of consent was 10.

But sure, by all means think Perigo, Peters, Coddington and all of us are the liars if it helps you cope, but this sentence is defamatory so retract it please:

“The Flannigans wanted another victim to tar when their ‘special friend’ Capill was exposed.”

Madeleine
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April 4, 2005 12:49pm
rightkiwi

Mad: So why didn’t you go to the Police rather than politicians? It seems that, if you really believed he was as dangerous as you imply, that you are morally compromised by not doing so. You sought a political event rather than a police arrest.
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April 4, 2005 1:03pm
James

Peron was a neo Nazi!!!!!????? You lying bitch Madds. That is bullshit.Jim has written sreeds of stuff against facsism and Nazism.He has stated that David Irving has been pilloried for holding his views but never has he endorsed Nazism.Indeed he has attacked it many times and exposed non other than the Maxim Institute for bringing over a speaker with Far Right links.Lets see your evidence Madds.
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April 4, 2005 1:21pm
Aaron Bhatnagar

Madeleine – can you prove that the statement made by James by was defamatory? Because the funny thing is, you have labelled Peron a neo-Nazi – which is highly defamatory if it is false.
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April 4, 2005 2:14pm
Gooner

Oh dear Mads, times are tough aye!

Oh hang on I’ve found it. In 1930 Peron’s granddad had an uncle whose next door neighbour had an uncle who in turn had a friend who knew someone who hid in a bomb shelter with someone who looked at a Hitler poster in Poland. That’s good enough for you Madds, isn’t it?
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April 4, 2005 2:45pm
Jaffantastic

Yes you are right Madeleine , I believe you that there was no connection with your investigation of perron and what has been revealed about Capill.
Retraction and apology offered.
Incidentially I support what you have done as regards Perron, and have erred as what i thought to have been a ‘vast right wing conspiracy’.
We may not agree on anything else, but some issues there isnt two sides to the story
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April 4, 2005 2:55pm
James

The statement “The Flannigans wanted another victim to tar when their ‘special friend’ Capill was exposed.” was not written or posted by me Arron.I don’t know who it was but I didn’t do it.Personally I think the claim that Jim “surrounds himself with young boys to guide “is borderline and shows the levels of evil sickness Madds is prepared to sink to. She knows nothing and it shows.There are 3 of us “young boys” minding Jims shop while hes away.We are all straight(We were were all asked by an astounded Gay customer last week):-)and Im 34.The others are at least 20 and one of their girlfriends visits on a regular basis,where would we get the time to be “guided”??? :-)As to the other claims Madwoman sites: Jim has never written an autobiography,the piece”Abused :one boys story” was a personal thing Jim did to help him deal with his feelings about his own physical abuse from his Father.It was never meant for public airing and it has been embalished by someone else.Madds cobbles together various threads and bits and presents this as evidence against Jim.We’ll just see what comes out in the end…
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April 4, 2005 3:25pm
Madeleine

Posted by James at April 4, 2005 01:21 PM

“Peron was a neo Nazi!!!!!????? You lying bitch Madds. That is bullshit.Jim has written sreeds of stuff against facsism and Nazism.He has stated that David Irving has been pilloried for holding his views but never has he endorsed Nazism.Indeed he has attacked it many times and exposed non other than the Maxim Institute for bringing over a speaker with Far Right links.Lets see your evidence Madds.”

Extreme reaction James, better go wash your mouth out with soap.

Go to this white supremicist site and check the context for yourselves. Order the books and read them. Then you can apologise for swearing at me.

http://www.cdlreport.com/patrioticbooks2.htm

FREEMASONRY AND JUDAISM by Jim Peron. $3.00 #1997-73
HITLER AND THE JEWS IN WORLD WAR II by Jim Peron. $3.00 #1997-106
LINDBERGH’S FIGHT FOR AMERICA by Jim Peron. $3.00 #1997-103

Madeleine
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April 4, 2005 8:52pm
Madeleine

You left out the bit where Jim admitted to writing the boylover bits but denied that boylover meant anything sexual.

I suggest you read Abused: One Boys Story as it is not possible that he meant anything else.

Are you willfully blinded or do you just not mind being lied to or being made a fool of for being the last man standing saying black is white?

Mads
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April 4, 2005 9:01pm
James

Firstly from Jim…

They shift and change claims to make them fit. Originally Dwyer said he picked up an autobiographical book. He was very clear on that and still insists it was a full fledged book. I said that no such book ever existed and then they change the accusation to an autobiographical account which can be anything of any length and say I lied about it. There is a difference between a book and a couple of pages. A book may be an account but not every account is a book which was the claim that was made.

In the same manner they lied about the “previous owner”. I named Ron Dorsey and they publish an account which never mentions Dorsey and instead attributes things as if I said Eric Garris, someone I specifically said probably had no knowledge of what Ron was doing. But in their account Ron vanishes completely even though Eric told Gaynz.com that Ron could well have done precisely what I said.

Or notice the logic that the accusations must be true because their friends, Perigo and allegedly Deborah said it is true. Now which of these people were there and knew what happened? Perigo claimed I had been arrested as well and that was false. So a few people who believe rumours from 20 years ago now are evidence themselves. If I told you that someone here in Bulgaria killed someone that doesn’t make you a witness. In fact it might not make me a witness. But in the loony fundies view it makes you not only a witness but an expert.

So they switch definitions or switch people to make it fit. They repeat rumours as facts and they invent stuff. Dwyer claimed that someone heard that someone said that I was overheard admitting the accusations in South Africa. Which accusations? Presumeably the accusations that I attacked children but that never happened and police clearances show that. Who heard it? No one ever knew and no one ever said. So unknown people heard unknown people who claimed they heard me make an admission about something that didn’t happen. The loonies call that evidence and toss that into their mix. Meanwhile the Minister they followed as their political leader is found guilty of actually doing something and they spend all their time concentrating on what they think I thought. Glad they got their priorities straight.

Considering that I wrote about my fundie past and the extremist politics that went with it I find it odd that they want to bring that up. Extremist politics and fundamentalist go together ala the loony Trinity.
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April 5, 2005 2:08am
James

And from me….I went to your site Madds and guess what…its a Christian site! Yes, hate filled, loony Christians,suprise suprise! So they have some books by Jim (that you’ve never read)on their reading list…and that proves…? I bet they are keen on the Bible too! Sayyy… aren’t you also a fan of that..?? You must be a racist,anti semite!!! (This is your “guilt by association” logic were using after all…)
Jim has written about the war and various aspects of it but hes never made a statement in support of Nazism,you’re still a lying bitch…and a stupid one too!
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April 5, 2005 2:19am
TheProphet

Glenn Mads and co
Here is your credibility. On another commnets thread you Glenn said that you had nothing to do with the locke fountain. A few comments above this one your good christian friend Mads outs you as part of the board. ANY credibility you or any other locke founder had has just gone out with the bathwater. You glenn are a liar. I don’t normally use harsh language like that but it is the truth. A concept that you guys seem a little liberal with ( get it).
Trying to tag team me is not a good way to go as I have had much worse from much better.

Watch out for christians with agendas

Allah protect us
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April 5, 2005 7:41am
vvenva

Madeleine Flanagan should make more effort to get her facts right. Firstly, she said that one can “purchase his [Peron’s] anti-Jewish tracts on white supremicist website.” Yet she gave the address of only a single website and so far it appears there is only one site from which these tracts are available. Why the error? It should have been easy to avoid.

Secondly, an elementary sense of ethics dictates that one should provide proof that Peron actually wrote those tracts. Madeleine has provided none whatsoever. Thirdly, Madeleine has also not provided any proof that she has actually read those tracts and knows what is in them. All she has provided is evidence that one could find from browsing one website.

Hasn’t she worked out yet that information obtained from the internet is not necessarily reliable and that one website is not proof of anything? It should be noted that in the same year that Peron was supposedly writing Nazi tracts – and placing his name on them – he was working for the South African Institute of Race Relations.
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April 5, 2005 8:57am
vvenva

Madeleine Flanagan should make more effort to get her facts right. Firstly, she said that one can “purchase his [Peron’s] anti-Jewish tracts on white supremicist website.” Yet she gave the address of only a single website and so far it appears there is only one site from which these tracts are available. Why the error? It should have been easy to avoid.

Secondly, an elementary sense of ethics dictates that one should provide proof that Peron actually wrote those tracts. Madeleine has provided none whatsoever. Thirdly, Madeleine has also not provided any proof that she has actually read those tracts and knows what is in them. All she has provided is evidence that one could find from browsing one website.

Hasn’t she worked out yet that information obtained from the internet is not necessarily reliable and that one website is not proof of anything? It should be noted that in the same year that Peron was supposedly writing Nazi tracts – and placing his name on them – he was working for the South African Institute of Race Relations.
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April 5, 2005 8:59am
Gooner

“Hasn’t she worked out yet that information obtained from the internet is not necessarily reliable and that one website is not proof of anything?”

No, sadly Madds hasn’t worked out anything. She thinks she can send an email to someone across the other side of the world; con him into answering; justify her con by saying it is the lesser of two evils; and then call that an ‘investigation’.
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April 5, 2005 9:12am
Madeleine

The South African Mail and Guardian – http://www.mg.co.za – reported on 8 Dec 2000 that Jim Peron wrote for Aida Parker Newsletter, a white supremicist rag.

See Krisjan Lemmer’s column on that date via the archive search function.
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April 6, 2005 9:52am
Madeleine

Date: 08 Dec 2000

Funny friends Lemmer must identify himself with the concerns expressed by Helen Suzman in the past about the strange company which the leader of the opposition, Tony Leon, is keeping. Not content to welcome the Nats en masse into the “Democratic Alliance”, he has now developed an affection for an American visitor of pronounced right-wing leanings. Leon has gone to the trouble of writing an introduction to a book called Zimbabwe: The Death of a Dream by one Jim Peron

that has just landed in South Africa’s bookshops. “This volume on Zimbabwe is vintage Jim Peron,” enthuses Leon, “in your face, opinionated, brave, over-the-top in places, politically incorrect but
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April 6, 2005 10:13am
Gooner

And???????? Your point is??????????
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April 6, 2005 10:34am
James

Madaline once again talks out of her ignorant arse.”Zimbarbwe Death of a dream” is a very good book about Mugabes stranglehold on that country and its slide into the abyss. Its freely availible here and is a good seller amoungst both black and white africans.It is about the abuse of power,not skin colour.It appears Madds is slipping into the Lefty PC idea that any association,whether voluntary or not,between parties equals %100 endorsement of their ideas.Guilt by asscociation in other words. Funnily Madds regects this( and fair enough) when it comes to the question of her “activities”.After all,she has imported and distributed “child porn” ie: “Unbound”,( and has anyone considered what would be the fallout if a pedophile got”Unbound” from the Flannagans,got all worked up over it and then went out and molested a child…?) is in contact with Ron Mark,yes “Him”,worked with Lindsay Perigo who addmitted knowing “3-4 pedophiles”(gay.nz series) and finally her well known link to child molester Graham Capill.Using the guilt by asscociation lodgic of Madds she should arrested ASAP!She is obviously a threat to the children of NZ!!! If Peron gos down for anything should it be at the even guiltier hands of Madaline Flannagan…??..
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April 6, 2005 11:11am
peter

Heres a new policy: everyone just ignore anything that Mad and Matt say and hopefully they will just fade away. We are only encouraging them.
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April 6, 2005 11:16am
James

I agree. Poking the loonies with a stick,satisfying as it is is not really helping so Ill leave it there. Let the law sort it out and people make up their own minds….
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April 6, 2005 11:25am
vvenva

Madeleine, I’ll ask the question politely: do you care about getting your facts right? You wrote that “you can still purchase his [Peron’s] anti-Jewish tracts on white supremicist websites”.

Yet there appears to be only a single website from which the tracts are available. One website. Singular, not plural. Why did you make that mistake? Further, what is special about that particular website, that it should have those pamphlets, when no other websites do?
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April 6, 2005 12:40pm
Madeleine

I do not claim to know how many websites Peron’s anti-semitic tracts are available on. You miss the point vvenva. The point is he wrote anti-semitic tracts, James said he never held to neo-nazi views – he did.

James, learn to read contextually. The context was your claim Jim worked against racism in South Africa at the time he wrote the racists tracts so therefore he could not have been racist at the time. Despite the fact he has admitted he once was since being in NZ, I provided a quote from from the South African Mail and Guardian 8 Dec, I gave the context of the quote which is probably what confused you into thinking the book called Zimbabwe: The Death of a Dream was the point of the quote. It was not. The last sentence was the evidence of Jim’s racist past that you categorically called me a lying bitch for suggesting:

“Peron does his writing for the Aida Parker Newsletter, a publication that is so unashamedly racist that it received secret funding from the enthusiastically supportive security forces under the apartheid regime.”

No one is claiming Jim is guilty because of his association with anyone. Where did anyone say that? Quote it please with copy and paste and show the context.

He is guilty of lying en masse about his links to paedophiles – links are not the same thing as associates.
He published and wrote for his own paedophile magazine and lied about it.
He was an advocate of paedophilia and lied that he was.

Mads
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April 6, 2005 4:37pm
James

I wasn’t going to respond but…. Madds ,practice what you preach.You said….

“James, learn to read contextually. The context was your claim Jim worked against racism in South Africa at the time he wrote the racists tracts so therefore he could not have been racist at the time.”…..

Show me where “I” said that Madds.It was vvenva, not I.Once again your sloppy research and blatant distortions are exposed.Jims writings were picked up by many groups who used them in various contexts.Jim has never advocated Nazi views and you are still to prove otherwise.He has not lied about his past and you are still to prove he did.He was open with the contact he did have with Nambla and has not been proven to have distorted anything except in your warped mind.He has always said he had nothing to do with “Unbound” which the FBI seemed not even to think was childporn,which on reading it it appears not to be.It certainly advocates for man boy sexual interaction but is more of a research document than a pedo jolly mag.Even the photos are over 100 years old and are world famous and sell for thousands on the open market.They are not considered pornographic except in the minds of fundies.So even if Jim had been behind it this is not the pinicle of kiddie porn it was touted as being…
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April 6, 2005 5:07pm
Gooner

Madds, keep digging. That hole is getting deeper.
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April 6, 2005 5:35pm
vvenva

Well Madeline, I do claim to know how many websites those tracts are available from. There is in fact only one site, that of the Christian Defence League (http://www.cdlreport.com/). They are not available from or even mentioned on any other site. Anyone who does a web search can easily find that out.

Yet you made a sweeping, unqualified claim that they were available from “white supremacist websites”, which might mean that they are available from all such sites; there was nothing in your post to suggest otherwise. So that was highly misleading.

Don’t pretend that this isn’t relevant. No one can assess the credibility of your claims about Peron’s supposed Nazism unless they know exactly, not approximately, what the facts are. Why does only a single group sell what are presumed to be Peron’s tracts? What if any association did Peron have with that group? Alternatively, what possible motive might they have for placing his name on the tracts, if they aren’t his? Unless you answer these questions, you have not proven your case.
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April 6, 2005 7:22pm
James

Regarding the photos in “Unbound” Jim gives this opinion…..

“The photos were taken around 120 years ago in Italy by a famous photographer named von Gloeden. None of the ones in the pdf version I saw have frontal nudity. None are of any sexual activity. None are illegal under US law and I doubt they would be illegal under NZ law either which is why the loony fundies feel safe in owning a copy.

I did some research on the photographer yesterday. The last time I could find anyone grabbing the photos as pornographic (actually taking them) was under the Italian fascists. They were taken from von Gloeden’s heir or a friend during the war. They were held and found not to be obscence and given back. In other words not even Mussolini’s fascists thought they were obscene.

A couple of years back there was a big display of the photos in Australia. Some fundie group there wanted them confiscated and banned but that call was ignored. Various art gallaries show the photos in exhibitions. Books of them have been sold all over the world including by Allphy books in Mt. Eden — I saw them there. I know they are sold in Australia, the US, etc. A original photo by this photographer would probably now go for $1000 or more easily. I found some Swiss gallery selling some but they were so expensive they didn’t list the price.

Madds description of the photos was a lie almost from start to finish.
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April 6, 2005 7:37pm
James

Heres a link to Von Gloeden, not my cup of tea but valuable in understanding the context of the “unbound” photos….
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April 6, 2005 8:46pm
James

Heres a link to Von Gloeden, not my cup of tea but valua in understanding the context of the “unbound” photos….

http://heh.ca/wvgloeden/index.phpble
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April 6, 2005 8:47pm
Gooner

It has constantly been stated by the fundies that one must read contextually. Mads said “you can still purchase Peron’s anti-Jewish tracts on white supremicist websites”.

Contextually, this might mean they are available from all such sites, or at least many such sites. Further, contextually one would look for many such tracts on many websites. Contextually, Mads espoused a load of shite. Surprised?
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April 6, 2005 9:12pm
James

Whoops try here!…

http://vongloedengayhistory.free.fr/
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April 6, 2005 9:15pm
Graham watson

james take your filthy material elsewhere you little pervert
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April 6, 2005 9:26pm
Madeleine

vvenva the site Jim Peron’s anti-Jewish tracts are available on is a white supremicist site.
Whether they are available on one as you claim or multiple the tracts are anti-semitic and the site I cited was a white supremicist cite.

Pulling me up on the letter s does not rebut these facts.

James wrote:
“It certainly advocates for man boy sexual interaction but is more of a research document than a pedo jolly mag.”

With David Farrar’s permission I would post a quote of some of this “research” that is not “a pedo jolly mag” describing a boy seducing a man, them having sex, the man feeling that the boy had no pubic hair and how the orgasms felt all straight from Unbound, in fact the story before Jim Peron’s one.

The photos of semiclad and naked children and a couple with adults appear in this context.

I am starting to think James’ apparent willfull blindness to the truth is in fact not blindness at all but justification.

He concedes Jim lied but says so what?
He says Jim did not write the article bashing gays for denying “boylovers” their human rights and saying paedophilia is “not abuse” and says someone else rewrote it – the mysterious Tim, apparently another peadophile, wrote it probably. Then simultaneously says that when Jim wrote the term “boylover” he did not mean to infer paedophile. James cannot see the holes here.
James says that Unbound is not pornographic but more research focussed – presumably like the NAMBLA bulletins Jim sold.
Finally James denies that Jim was ever a neo-nazi when in fact Jim admitted he was on a libertarian list since being in New Zealand, has tracts for sale written by him on a white supremicist site and a South African paper wrote about him and his work for a racist group in 2000.

Blind James? Me thinks you doth protest too much.

Madeleine
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April 7, 2005 12:10am
James

Madds ,once again its pure bullshit from you, suprise suprise!…… Jim says he did not Publish “Unbound” but his piece “abused” with embalishments, appears in it….so…????When did I concede that “Jim lied.”…..? He has stated certain things that have not been refuted. The truth is out there and its drawing ever closer around the neck of the Flannagans. Madds said…

“He says Jim did not write the article bashing gays for denying “boylovers” their human rights and saying paedophilia is “not abuse” and says someone else rewrote it – the mysterious Tim, apparently another peadophile, wrote it probably. Then simultaneously says that when Jim wrote the term “boylover” he did not mean to infer paedophile. James cannot see the holes here.”…

Ummmm excuse me but you are quoting me once again as saying things I never said…!!! Jim has said(and READ this you dopey zealot!)that “Abused:one boys story” was written by him BUT…it was not for publication and has been emballished by someone else…you have distorted this claim,not him! And since when does “being on a Libertairian list make one a Neo Nazi!!!???? You and Matt bullied your way onto the Free Student Network group( a Libertairian network ) so I guess that makes you Nazis too…???? Me thinks you need a whack with a baseball bat and locking away before you harm some children… or anyone else…loonnie! :-)_ Rand help us!!!

And Graham….??? go back to school kid, the adults are talking….!
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April 7, 2005 1:25am
vvenva

There are several problems here Madeleine. One is that you haven’t provided any proof Peron wrote those tracts. Given that you saw the need to provide proof that Peron was the editor of Unbound, and at least attempted to provide such proof although what you came up with is rather equivocal, that is a surprising oversite. Perhaps you think you have assassinated Peron’s character enough proof is not needed?

Perhaps you think Peron must have been the author because one racist site says he was? One website could have any reason for saying anything. How would you know what motives they might have, or what the history behind that is?

You say the tracts are “anti-semitic.” These days different people mean different things when they say “anti-semitic.” How do you define anti-semitism? Exactly what is in those tracts that would justify characterising them that way?

That you could suggest that tracts available only from one racist site are available from all or many sites raises questions about your reliability in general. I suppose you said that just because it sounded better, more sexy and exciting to have the tracts available from many sites. How many other facts have you exaggerated to suit your case?
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April 7, 2005 8:11am
Graham watson

James you must take blog readers for fools. Do you think repeating a lie often enough makes it a truth?

How precisely did Matt and Mads bully their way on to the FSN?

And please in your response don’t abusively rant like above, just outline clearly the basis for your claims. If you are as I suspect unable to substantiate these claims you should withdraw them, rather than go over old material which I thought was put to bed when David suggested this Peron debate had dragged on too long.

Your rantings, posting of links to your perverted material and false allegations don’t help Jim one iota if in fact your claim that you are posting on Jims behalf is true.

You tell me that Jim gets you to post on different blogs on his behalf . Are you saying your suggestions of physical harm with a baseball bat to the Flannigans come from him? I don’t believe that for a moment.

Surely Jim would have access to the net and post for himself rather than use someone as as incompetent, incoherent and peurile as yourself to be his spokesman? Do you really expect us to believe you given the nature of your behaviour?
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Graham….your just stirring.I posted the link to the photos to show what it was that Madds claimed was pics of Kiddie porn is no such thing.If you can’t handle a couple of pics of naked people then run home to your mum (and boy does she have a lot to answer for!… )The photos are plain art pics and don’t appear to be porn of any sort.Nude guys don’t do anything for me except wince but then its a big world and other people have their interests…
Madds and Matt forced themselves onto FSN by constantly relabeling themselves from conservatives to Liberals to ??? while debating positions held by the Libertairian members.It was not set up a debate group and Jim made the point that they did not belong there and should leave.Of coure they didn’t and kept picking away at Jim and others who challenged themleading to this campaign against Jim as some sort of payback…nice people!

Jim is in touch with info and I post this when I think its apt to counter his opponents drivel.He does not wish to engage in endless debate over this and would rather enjoy his holiday in Europe,good on him!Meanwhile I try to put his case and stand up for him….but hes not asking me to,its just something I choose to do for my friend.You have a problem with that???

Your other points are just silly and trivial.

I gather Graham that you don’t care if an innocnt man has his life destroyed by this crusade against him…? Just as long as your precious state of being isn’t assulted by the dirt of the real world and the real people in it than who cares,right Graham…?

I bet you still sleep on rubber sheets….
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James,

With friends like you, who would need to be crusaded against. It does seem, though, given the material you’re posting here. that you and your friend deserve each other.

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Meaning what…..?The link to Von Gloeden is evidence,thats all.That some people might linger at it and get all hot and bothered is their problem is it not…?
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